Talk:Three grand soups

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Discuss the origins of borscht elsewhere[edit]

I would encourage editors of this article whose only contributions are to change whether it states borscht originates in Russia or Ukraine to read through the existing discussion on Talk:Borscht and look into providing constructive input there. This article merely happens to mention borscht and is probably not a suitable location for this discussion. --Ilzolende (talk) 10:21, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously, Eastern Europe would be the best solution. There was no such country like Ukraine 105 years ago, but Borsch already existed, so ho can we say that it originated from Ukraine? So neutral would be Eastern Europe and all who need may further open link Borsch and examine the topic.--Orange-kun (talk) 14:27, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Because Russian books from over 105 years ago say that borscht comes from Ukrainian cuisine.[1][2] So, as a compromise, can write "Ukrainian cuisine" instead of "Ukraine". --Amakuha (talk) 13:44, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Ilzolende that this is not a suitable place to discuss the origin of borscht. Could we not just remove the "Origin" column from the table? That would still leave the more nuanced discussion that's already present in the "Description" column. Personally I would get rid of the "Type" column as well – is fish soup not chunky? – but that appears to be less contentious. Wham2001 (talk) 13:51, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tell the Lithuanians and Poles that borsch is not in their national cuisine. Current wikipedia says there is consensus, while there's not. Why so fiercely revert it to Ukraine while all Eastern European countries think its in their national cuisine? Or neutrality isn't one of the column on which wikipedia stands anymore?--Orange-kun (talk) 16:09, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The public consensus stays on Ukraine, as the country of origin. Why is it still not changed? The credible sources where already presented above by Amakuha. UApatriot69 (talk) 03:51, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Failed verification[edit]

This article, one of the first sources for this wiki article, fails to mention borscht. I also tried to find photos of borscht in Japan, and, unlike Hong Kong-style borscht, it doesn't appear to exist outside of Eastern European restaurants. So, I wonder, how widespread is the belief that borscht belongs to the "three grand soups" in Japan? It would be strange if the Japanese considered some dish to be "grand" while they don't really eat it themselves... --Amakuha (talk) 13:57, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The article does mention borscht without picture. Here are more articles [3][4].The term in Japanese 世界三大 implies "the best in the world" regardless the popularity in Japan. Now I think the description I wrote is confusing, looks like these soups are among most popular in Japan. In turn, for example, Corn soup is more popular than these soups. However, it will never become the choice for 世界三大 because it's too common and ordinary for Japanese people. Miso soup is definitely the most popular in Japan, but most of Japanese people does not even consider it as "soup" because it is loanword implying that it came from overseas. So it's like, "Hey, I heard there are three godly soups in the world!" "I've heard of it. I want to eat all of these on my travels." or "I once tasted borscht near Thai restaurant... It was so good!" Or like This recipe of Borscht from TV program and this recipes, "Here is the recipe of one of the Three grand soup. Let's cook together!" I once heard Bouillabaisse, Shark fin soup, and Tom yum had been considered original three grand soup, but at some point Borscht challenged them. I could not confirmed this episode though.--Sacchisachi (talk) 04:17, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, OK. Thanks for the explanation 🙏🏻 --～～～～

Three soups[edit]

why there four? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.254.222.236 (talk) 18:45, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ranking of the soups[edit]

Hey its my first contribution here on wiki, so dont be too mad if i violate some sacred rules that i didn't read.

The article is talking about a tie between borscht and tom yan kung soup for being in 3rd place, but the list of the soups are in alphabetical order. i would suggest to place this listing in the order from best to thirdbest soup and also visualize that borscht and tom yan kung are tied. I hope that anyone can do this and also place a footnote for that order. In this way we could settle this debate. and if the appearing of borscht is doubted so place it in parentheses.

thank you for reading. 2A01:C22:853F:2300:A8B9:B8DE:A0C5:A105 (talk) 02:10, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

borscht vs tom yam kung[edit]

Neither borscht or tom yam kung are ranked like the other dishes are — since 2 dishes are tied for third place, that means there has to be a #1 and a #2. What are they? 2600:4041:5820:8B00:CC37:4B16:C5D4:D2E1 (talk) 01:54, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]