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List of PNWR locomotives[edit]

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Fails WP:NLIST - I cannot find any independent reliable sources talking about this set of rolling stock as a group. The current sources are all self-published and of questionable reliability. A simplified, well-sourced table at Portland and Western Railroad that simply lists the quantity of each locomotive class would be more appropriate. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 07:45, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

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Jirón de la Unión (Metropolitano)[edit]

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This bus stop is not notable. The sources only give passing coverage at best. Should be redirected to Metropolitano (Lima). Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:20, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

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ENAPU[edit]

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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Article on a small company formed in 1970 with just "it exists" type info. North8000 (talk) 13:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

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Good evening, I am currently unable to review this nomination individually, but in the event that the deadline passes before I am able to do so, I would like to request that the page be redirected to Revolutionary Government of the Armed Forces of Peru as a section which includes enough coverage of this and similar entities can be created. AlejandroFC (talk) 20:07, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

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Mihaaru Awards[edit]

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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. The topic is an award given by a local newspaper. The contents is a list of recipients, and the sourcing is just about recipients of it. Nothing approaching even 1/4 of GNG coverage of the topic. North8000 (talk) 13:02, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

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List of 2015 Pan and Parapan American Games broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The most fancrufty list to appeal to nobody but the small minority of ardent fans. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, sources are announcements and does not help to assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:30, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

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Institute of IT Training[edit]

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Fails WP:NCORP. No significant coverage in reliable sources could be found either under the name "Institute of IT Training" or its apparent new name "Learning & Performance Institute". I know it's not relevant to notability, but the article reads like an advertisement and is borderline WP:G11 despite having 63 revisions over 14 years. Mz7 (talk) 07:41, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

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Delete per nom. A09|(talk) 10:32, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

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Georgina Mellor[edit]

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Unref BLP; I couldn't find sources to establish she can meet WP:NACTOR / WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 15:08, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

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Delete can't find any WP:SIGCOV. Orange sticker (talk) 11:09, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

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Embassy of Cape Verde, Washington, D.C.[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. No secondary sources and no in-depth coverage available. AusLondonder (talk) 06:58, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

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redirect to Babcock-Macomb House, its location. The fact that it is now the embassy is stated there. Mangoe (talk) 02:58, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

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Haini Wolfgramm[edit]

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Member of a notable band, but per WP:MUSICBIO, not sufficiently notable independent of the band for a separate article. In a WP:BEFORE search, I can only find passing mentions of him in articles about the band. The Grammy nomination was for the band. He and his large family were interviewed on a national TV programme in 1994, and that interview was covered by some other media, but that would appear to be WP:BLP1E, and doesn't quite get him over the line for WP:MUSICBIO. A redirect to the band article could be an alternative to deletion, but I'm bringing it here first for discussion. Wikishovel (talk) 05:14, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect to The Jets (Minnesota band). He has done nothing independently notable outside the band, and the article is simply an attempt to fill space with some tidbits from his personal life. The fact that he owns a small record company could possibly be mentioned briefly at the band's article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

I also recommend doing the same for Eugene Wolfgramm and Elizabeth Wolfgramm, for the exact same reasons. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:43, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

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Marxist–Leninist Centre in Mexico[edit]

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Failure of WP:ORG; the article subject is a small, non-notable organisation. The article has been unsourced for over a decade. I could not find any reliable sources in English, and a translation of the name to Spanish yielded no results either. Yue🌙 04:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

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Bader Pretorius[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 01:36, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

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Keep There's this and this along with other coverage in South African and European media. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 08:44, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. Not seeing enough sustained coverage to justify GNG, including in the links above. JoelleJay (talk) 21:35, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

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Courtney Woods[edit]

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Non-notable character, incredibly minor side character who appears as in three episodes. Fails WP:NCHARACTER and GNG Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 04:09, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

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Questions Not so sure, there are some sources. Would this publication count as a reliable source? Likewise the character appears in Women in Doctor Who: Damsels, Feminists and Monsters, but I cannot see the extent. Can anyone else? There's also Gender and the Quest in British Science Fiction Television, pp. 186, 206-207, [1] and [2]. Daranios (talk) 09:08, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
That pdf appears to be a student paper, so I would say no. What Culture is unreliable and that Digital Spy listicle is just a basic plot summary. The second book doesnt seem great either. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 11:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

the books don't seem like significant coverage, mentions don't contribute to notability Indagate (talk) 09:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
There's not just a mention in the book, but also commentary. Similarly, Doctor Who - Twelfth Night focusses on analyzing the episode "Kill the Moon", but beyond a mere mention has brief analysis on Courtney as the Maiden. Daranios (talk) 10:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Delete not notable character. Indagate (talk) 13:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
Merge to, I guess, List of Doctor Who supporting characters or keep. I don't quite agree that Gender and the Quest... "doesnt seem great either", and we have the short reception section already, so I am on the fence about notability as long as I don't get more input about Women in Doctor Who or additional sources. In any case, even if this character should not be notable in it's own right, we still have this reception section based on secondary sources which should be WP:PRESERVEd, not lost in deletion. No advantage for the reader whatsoever there. Daranios (talk) 10:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Keep, based on Daranios finding coverage in two books published by the reputable McFarland & Company press. There is also coverage of the character in this PhD dissertation. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 08:27, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
They were published by a reputable publisher, but only mentions. PhD dissertation isn't a reliable source so doesn't contribute to notability. Indagate (talk) 09:26, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Per WP:RS, Care should be exercised with PhD dissertations, but they can be used. This is not an example of a hard sciences dissertation that is mostly primary source data collection; rather, it's a humanities dissertation that better resembles the secondary source analysis found in monographs. This dissertation specifically is about reception (seen in their fan-generated reviews and creative productions), establishing the character's real-world notability. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 09:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

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List of SM Supermalls[edit]

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Article is pretty much an apparent violation of NOTDIRECTORY, containing nothing more than a laundry list of SM Supermalls and their branches. If people really needed a directory, it can easily be found on the company's own website. The article already needed a massive clean-up by removing a lot of those supposed proposed and future malls without verifiable and independent sources.

Not proposing yet to remove the other notable SM Supermalls that have own separate articles (such as SM North EDSA, Megamall, Mall of Asia, etc). GrayFullbuster (talk) 05:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

If I may add, a large chunk (if not majority of the sources) are from the corporation SM Prime Holdings itself, not necessarily independent. If not delete, I at least propose that it be re-directed back to the main SM Supermalls article. GrayFullbuster (talk) 06:45, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Trim then merge to SM_Supermalls#Locations per nom and WP:ATD --Lenticel ^(talk) 07:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

K. K. Kabobo[edit]

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO or WP:ANYBIO. The only reason this musician got coverage from the media (both RS and non-RS) is because of his death, which falls between WP:BLP1E (recently died) or WP:BIO1E. It’s all about his death and nothing else. Nothing to establish notability on this one. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 05:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

List of Lok Sabha members from the Aam Aadmi Party[edit]

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Fails WP:NOTABILITY, this is a relatively new and regional political party that has never had a Lok Sabha member outside the state of Punjab. Even the larger, national and older mainstream political parties like the Indian National Congress, the Bharatiya Janata Party, and the Communist Party of India (Marxist) don't have the list of their Lok Sabha members here. — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 05:32, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

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WGBS-LD[edit]

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Subject does not meet the GNG. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 04:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

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There is some sourcing which I have added, all from the 1994–98 period. They were on local cable and got coverage from that. Once Cox dropped them, they really drop off in local coverage. I could go either way. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

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University of Information Science and Technology "St. Paul The Apostle"[edit]

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The article states they have 375 students, which is not a university. Many of the claims look too much, and none are verified. From their own web page the number of faculty is very small. Making a Beowulf cluster is not notable. More significant coverage is needed, this fails almost everything. Ldm1954 (talk) 00:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

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Comment State universities and colleges tend to be notable, although this is a comparatively minor vocational one. It appears reasonably likely that WP:SOURCESEXIST, but searching in Cyrillic is difficult for many of us. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 09:28, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Undecided. Universities are normally notable, although even by North Macedonian standards this one appears to be quite small (the other public universities in North Macedonia for which we have articles each have more than 10 times as many students as this one). Yes, searching in Macedonian is difficult for us here, but the article in the Macedonian Wikipedia isn't that much better. At worst, though, redirect to List of universities in North Macedonia rather than deleting this article. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Keep. We have generally kept universities founded by statute. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Based on what policy? The Banner talk 18:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
  Seconding the policy question. Also, as I stated in the original nomination, I could not verify the claims -- maybe someone else can. For instance, I am doubtful about all the claimed collaborations with universities many times their size, the 14 BA & MA degrees, the ranking. I could not verify any of these. It is easy to write on a web page, but normally we look for verifiability, WP:N. Ldm1954 (talk) 19:08, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
  Based on WP:CONSENSUS over many AfDs. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:57, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
  - Sorry, I am asking for a policy. Not for a circular reasoning. The Banner talk 23:42, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
    Yup, that policy would be WP:CONSENSUS! -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:41, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
    No, I am still asking for a policy that says specifically that we are keeping "universities founded by statute". WP:CONSENSUS does not state that. And saying that we keep universities because we kept universities in the past because we kept universities in the past etc. is a circular reasoning. Not based on any policy. The Banner talk 17:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Keep -- the top level polytechnic of a nation that was founded by the national government is a notable act in itself. There are numerous US institutions with fewer undergraduates (Caltech) or even 1/10th of the total number of students (Deep Springs College) that are notable, so the size of the institution isn't a determining factor; the significance of the institution to a nation's identity is a glimpse at the importance to a people. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 10:37, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Two points:

Please check your numbers, you are way off. Caltech has close to 3 times (1023) the number of undergrads per year, to compare to the total number of 357 for both BS & MS, plus Caltech admitted 1440 grads. https://registrar.caltech.edu/records/enrollment-statistics

You ignored the key point -- essentially nothing on this Wikipedia page is verifiable. The Deep Springs College page has 37 sources, plus stacks of other material that verifies notability.

I politely request that you demonstrate their notability if you want to defend them. Ldm1954 (talk) 12:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Neutral If we are to evaluate only based on the inserted references, then this fails every notability guideline, but if sources in foreign (local) language exist, and are promptly introduced, then things could change. I feel it's necessary that someone with proficiency in the local language performs some searches and shares the results. X (talk) 19:09, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Agreed Ldm1954 (talk) 21:57, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect to List of universities in North Macedonia until proper sourcing can be identified. JoelleJay (talk) 21:34, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Delete with no prejudice against recreation if sources become available. I conducted some searches in Macedonian but failed to locate significant secondary source coverage. Right now we are doing no service to our readers by having an article unsupported by sources making various dubious claims. AusLondonder (talk) 10:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Comment. Redirection to List of universities in North Macedonia is an excellent alternative to deletion. I'm on the fence as far as independent notability, leaning very very slightly on the keep side, essentially per the argument of Necrothesp. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 11:20, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Simply stating we have kept other articles is not an argument. AusLondonder (talk) 14:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Weakish keep. I got some help from one of our students here with language. There's an interview with the vice-rector [3], which we probably can't use for facts, but which I think contributes to notability. Substantial piece in Makedonsko Sonce on a potential reorganization [4]. There's coverage in national newspapers related to a labor disagreement [5], and in context of national university organization [6] (for example, lots of stories of the latter type). Lots of coverage in Ohrid News, for example [7][8][9][10]. I found perfoming Google site-searches for "Универзитетот за информатички науки и технологии" to be helpful. Overall, I'm seeing enough consistent coverage over time for a reasonable notability case. As other editors have been saying, this is as one would expect for one of a small number of state universities. I am not impressed with the comparison with CalTech, but I think it might be helpful to compare with e.g. the University of Maine School of Law: a small technical school that is nonetheless of regional importance and wider interest, and that is appropriate for encyclopedic coverage. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 13:25, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't mean to connect reputation to Caltech -- and Deep Springs, Harvey Mudd, or University of Main School of Law is a better analogy to what I meant as my point that size of institution in itself isn't a determinant of notability. Thanks for the better comparison. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 20:17, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

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2023 Khyber bombing[edit]

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All the sources provided are from the time of event. No lasting coverage or impact to meet WP:EVENT. Whilst it may be terrorism, the sources do not definitively establish that. LibStar (talk) 02:29, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect to Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2023, where it's already mentioned. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:43, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Redirect (or merge selectively) to Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2023#April. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:06, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

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Pelangi Hotel (Bintan)[edit]

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Fails WP:CORP. Insufficient independent significant coverage. Uhooep (talk) 08:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

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Comment For some reason, the nominator considers that all the hotels and resorts in Bintan Regency fail to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
@Aymatth2 Because they are really not? I'm very skeptical of these assesment that they are "notable" per WP:CORP. Hotels rarely fullfil it. I can see if its in Bali or Jakarta but Bintan?Nyanardsan (talk) 05:47, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Hotels like these are often notable. A typical resort hotel is a large structure or structures covering a large area. It may have interesting architecture. Construction is expensive and messy. It employs a lot of people. Events are held at it. Journalists stay there. It changes ownership. Any or all of these aspects may be discussed in some depth. Aymatth2 (talk) 12:27, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
I've been to Bintan and it's high end, caters to wealthy businessmen from Singapore looking for a quick getaway in particular. Economically it's closer tied to Singapore than Indonesia and you'll find these resorts feature in the top southeast Asian magazines. It is possible that some like this might not have the sources we need online though.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:14, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Delete This isn't one of the resort hotels, and seems to be a lesser notable one inland. Can't find adequate coverage of it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:17, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

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List of rulers of Shan states[edit]

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Article is a collection of 77 unsourced genealogies, with four footnotes. There is probably a notable list for this topic, but in its current state, WP:TNT is needed to make room; if all the unsourced genealogy material was removed, there would a a title and categories. Wikipedia is not a genealogy site. // Timothy :: talk 13:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

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Comment: Calling this a genealogy would be the same as calling List of French monarchs a genealogy; technically not incorrect but a bit silly as it is a list of rulers. Certainly passes WP:NLIST; for instance, in the appendix of this book, there is a list of the rulers of about 35 of these states from 1887 to 1959. It seems the majority of the present article is derived from WorldStatesman [11], which is of course deprecated. WP:TNT is an option that is on the table. Curbon7 (talk) 22:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
Weak Keep: I don't know if it's past the WP:TNT tipping point yet. It's likely that much of the content could be sourced from the generic references. Don't think the material is necessarily controversial enough to mandate WP:INLINE citations. Of course, it's also likely that WorldStatesman is the true source, hence the weak keep. I don't personally have much time to edit this week, but I could go through the book Curbon listed or find other books I do have on Shan states and try to inline cite some the week after that. But doesn't seem unrecoverable and full of misinformation just because of a lack of inline citations. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 03:49, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

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Comment: Here are some recent (last couple of weeks) examples of why TNT is needed: [12], [13], [14]. None of this is sourced, no one can tell if these edits are correct or not. The article is too far gone to expect anyone to fix it. // Timothy :: talk 08:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Delete Good selections- as far as I can tell it isn't merely even changes in romanizations/inconsistent dating between chronicles. Changing my vote to agree on TNT grounds. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 17:51, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Delete. Essentially no citations. Celia Homeford (talk) 11:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

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MobiBLU DAH-1500i[edit]

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Non-notable – many MP3 players that have been reviewed by "big" magazine websites like CNET do not (and should not) have their own articles. The articles nominated just contain technical specification of the product (or products, if you consider them to be separate).

The only reason for notability seems to be the claim that this is the "world's smallest" MP3 player, but the citation for that goes to a PCMag page which says "... billed as the "world's smallest" digital audio player, and we're pretty sure that's true" which is not any form of proof of the claim. Furthermore, "billed" seems to imply that these are the words of the manufacturer only, and indeed I have not been able to find any sort of official confirmation of the claim. AlexGallon (talk) 21:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

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For the same reason I am also nominating Cube2 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) for deletion. AlexGallon (talk) 22:12, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

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Hi @Liz – I left a message over at your talk page related to this nomination. AlexGallon (talk) 18:29, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Keep 1, 2, 3, 4 A gadget that was widely reviewed at the time of its release from major pubs and had lasting coverage. Tech products's notability largely depends on reviews. Not every MP3 players in the market get reviewed from big tech pubs. The only reason for notability seems to be the claim that this is the "world's smallest" MP3 player, but the citation for that goes to a PCMag page which says "... billed as the "world's smallest" digital audio player, and we're pretty sure that's true" which is not any form of proof of the claim. Here's a more appropriate source that independently states the claim: The bite-size MobiBLU DAH-1500i is the smallest, most impressively full-featured Flash player we've seen yet. - PCMag UK, Jun 27, 2018. X (talk) 19:23, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Delete. One of thousands of mp3 players. Refs don't say anything, they're mundane reviews. Desertarun (talk) 11:10, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

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List of Power Sphera Universe media[edit]

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Reviewed during NPP. This is basically a catalog of a particular company's products. AFD nomination per no GNG sourcing of the topic per se and numerous wp:not issues. North8000 (talk) 22:01, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

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Comment BoBoiBoy seems to cover this. The template for it can be edited to add in the few things missing. Dream Focus 17:52, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Keep: This is not a catalog of a particular company's products and I have added more sources. Someonewhoisusinginternet (talk) 08:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect to Animonsta Studios#Filmography: Smells like fancruft/listcruft, and fails NLIST, nothing showing this has been discussed as a group by independent reliable sources. Found promo, listings, nothing from independent sources showing this meets NLIST. I thought about CLN, but don't think the few entries here need a second separate navigation list from Animonsta Studios#Filmography. Power Sphera Universe does not exist, and it doesn't appear there is WP:SIRS for the subject. // Timothy :: talk 06:07, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

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Vida Loka II[edit]

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Non-notable song, fails WP:NSONG. No in-depth coverage in secondary sources. Binksternet (talk) 20:05, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

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Keep because 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Reneradelsilver (Reneradelsilver) 23:14, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

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Gating (punishment)[edit]

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seems to be just a dictionary definition Chidgk1 (talk) 19:19, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

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I see @Stifle and @S Marshall who debated in 2008 are still active - like to comment guys? Chidgk1 (talk) 06:34, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Mutta (tribe)[edit]

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I couldn't find sources to show notability - I am aware this isn't my area though or language. Boleyn (talk) 09:12, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

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Comment: 5 results show up if you search "Mutta people" on Google Books. [15] They do exist, but maybe they are a small community (I don't know) and not much has been written about them. However, I found 5 results on Google books alone. I haven't checked other venues like Scholar etc. If this is a keep, maybe changing it to Mutta people.Tamsier (talk) 11:19, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

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Keep, the Mutta tribe definitely exists, i've been able to find some mentions of them on JSTOR and Google Scholar. Samoht27 (talk) 23:05, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

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Gates and Partners[edit]

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Unclear that notability has been established. Beland (talk) 04:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. All the available coverage falls well within WP:ORGTRIV. I was not able to find anything more substantial. Alpha3031 (t • c) 07:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Redirect into Kennedys Law into which Gates was dissolved. Why wasn't this suggested upfront? gidonb (talk) 13:12, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

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French ship Gapeau (B284)[edit]

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The only reliable source for this fishing ship / unarmed military transport ship is a massive 10-book encyclopedia of all German warships no matter how small or insignificant. The other source, netmarine.net, is more of a large hobby site / semi wiki than anything else ("Si vous souhaitez compléter ces pages par des récits, illustrations ou autres documents, écrivez nous."). Fram (talk) 07:39, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

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Keep. We have always kept commissioned naval vessels. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- No, we haven't, and is in any case not a reason to keep things. "We keep because we always keep" is ignoring things like Wp:CCC and the stricter standards we have for establishing notability instead of assuming some inherent notability across many topics. Fram (talk) 09:07, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- You tried the exact same argument at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/USS LSM-316, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/USS LSM-422 and the like, which ended in redirection, with the closing admin noting the particular weakness of your argument. Fram (talk) 09:18, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
  - So you discount my argument because you disagree with precedent but then cite a closer's remarks (which did not refer to my argument specifically, incidentally) as some sort of precedent? You've got to laugh! But, other than those numbered vessels, which are all pretty much the same, and some static accommodation barges, would you like to cite the AfDs where commissioned military vessels were deleted. Just so we know. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
We have if they got more than routine coverage. A fishing vessel pressed into navy service isn't the HMS Ark Royal or USS Missouri, so it won't have that level of coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 15:58, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Comment: Reading the article for 2 seconds shows that it was requisitioned for service as a military ship during World War II, so stating fishing ship / unarmed transport ship, is technically correct but is a misleading strawman. I'm not arguing for or against deletion because I don't know if there is a separate method for assessing the notability of ships, but that statement just irked me. Curbon7 (talk) 09:12, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- I meant "unarmed military transport ship", otherwise my addition of "unarmed" would make little sense, but I agree that not including "military" was involuntarily misleading. I've added it now, I hope that's better? Fram (talk) 09:18, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
  Much appreciated Curbon7 (talk) 09:21, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Keep The vessel served with two navies and two commercial fishers. Although unarmed in French Navy service, she was definitely armed in Kriegsmarine service. If Netmarine is objected to, I can add from Janes All the World's Ships, which most definitely passes WP:RS. Mjroots (talk) 10:14, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Lloyd's Register is also a reliable source. Mjroots (talk) 19:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
  - That Lloyd's mention is reliable, but it doesn't contribute to the topic's notability. See WP:SIGCOV. I'm familiar with Janes' usual entries, and while they're also reliable I'm not sure that will meet the SIGCOV bar either. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 03:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
Keep per Mjroots and longstanding practice. Kablammo (talk) 15:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Redirect to List of Vorpostenboote in World War II. I'm not concerned with the scope of Gröner's work, but I am interested in its depth of coverage. From the article's content, I'm guessing it does check that WP:SIGCOV box (in addition to all the other points at WP:GNG). Unfortunately, that's only one source, and Lloyd's table doesn't reach that bar. If there's a typical entry in Jane's Fighting Ships, I'm guessing that wouldn't either. As a result, I think this topic can be covered in the main Vorpostenboote list, or if needed that list could be split. (Per GNG footnote 4: "Lack of multiple sources suggests that the topic may be more suitable for inclusion in an article on a broader topic.") Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 03:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

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Delete: Non-notable boat/fishing trawler/transport. Wasn't involved in any heroic anti-submarine battle or any notable rescue at sea that would garner coverage. What's used for coverage is routine ship registry listings, tracing the vessel's career until being scrapped. Oaktree b (talk) 15:57, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Weak Keep - Added a little more history from an additional source. - Davidships (talk) 14:31, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

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Anumta Qureshi[edit]

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The subject does not meet criteria outlined in the relevant WP:NACTOR as well basic WP:GNG. No evidence indicating significant roles in notable films, TV dramas, etc. Merely being in a film or TV drama does not make one WP:Inherent notability. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 16:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

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Note The creator of this BLP has peculiar editing history. I've raised concerns about it on WP:ANI. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 17:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Keep: Anumta is best know for her role Huma in Suno Chanda 1 and Suno Chanda 2. She did supporting roles as well and has also done major roles in dramas. This source it is mentioned when she started her career and her dramas.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 06:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC))^[1]

References

^ "Lollywood newbie Anumta Qureshi lights up internet with new bold photos". 24 News HD. July 29, 2022.

Could you share some reputable sources that can confirm she held significant roles? I'd prefer not to rely on sources known for publishing sensational clickbait to garner traffic. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 08:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

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HijackThis[edit]

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Reliant entirely on primary sources. No evidence of notability. Previous AfD was kept due to people sharing their own testimonials of how it helped them, which is just not how notability works. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:11, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

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Ultimate Defender[edit]

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Run-of-the-mill malware with no evidence of notability * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:02, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

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Security Shield[edit]

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Run-of-the-mill malware with no evidence of notability. PROD previously contested by the now-banned Neelix with "try Google News search" - I did, and I found either nothing or unrelated topics * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:46, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

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Russian youth[edit]

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The entire article is original research, specifically WP:SYNTH. There are many instances of stating opinions as facts (WP:VOICE), e.g., "The roots of current Russian youth culture can be traced back to ancient Russia, but more readily apparent signs of modern Russian youth culture are due to the reactionary influence because of both the Soviet Union's formation and its dissolution", and riddled with weasel words, e.g., "Some observers noted what they described as a "generational struggle" among Russians". Generally, these are not the basis for an article to be deleted when the article can be fixed or tagged, but the idea of the article itself is based on collating different sources to present a personal reflection, i.e., Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. Pleas note that the sources cited mostly do not support claims being asserted, with the statement being more of a conjecture rather than an encyclopaedic one. FuzzyMagma (talk) 13:39, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

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Go ahead. Delete it. I wouldn't care. I guess that the fact that I tried to write objectively and it came out subjectively shows how poorly done that the journalism I've read that inspired me to write the same is and so on. Lunavara (talk) 17:07, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

The AfD process is generally where editors debate. It is a good opportunity for you to defend your work and maybe change our minds. You can also fix the deficiencies noted by myself (an maybe other editors) and update us with a comment when you do that.

My nomination is not a unilateral decision, and I think you should care about it so you can improve your future work and learn more about policies that dictate how this place ticks. Please take it as a chance to learn, as you continue grow as editor, and also feel free to challenge it.

Please take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#How to contribute for more information FuzzyMagma (talk) 17:38, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Comment: there was massive edit after the nom to try to fix the article (by deleting almost half of it) but I still think the article is beyond fixing. FuzzyMagma (talk) 19:59, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

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List of constituencies of Gujarat[edit]

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There is no specific list for the parliamentary constituencies in Gujarat, only the list for the legislative assembly constituencies in Gujarat exists. Thus disambiguation page is not needed. — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 04:54, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

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Runyantown, Indiana[edit]

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Apparently a short-lived 4th class post office in Mr. Runyan's store, the latter being the only thing approaching a substantial mention of the place. GHits are all clickbait, fed gazetteer listings, or Google's AI throwing out every Indiana history book in an attempt to offer something relevant. THe map location given is obviously wrong, but even the more likely spot a bit to the east has almost nothing there. Mangoe (talk) 04:28, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

List of Clube de Regatas do Flamengo noted players[edit]

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Duplicated content of List of Clube de Regatas do Flamengo players, which is more developed and properly referenced. Svartner (talk) 04:14, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

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Zexi Li[edit]

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Pretty clear WP:BLP1E as this person is only notable for post-event legalities regarding the Canada convoy protest. All sources in the article and found in a WP:BEFORE check are in regards to the protest. Subject has otherwise demonstrated a consistent pattern of low-profile activity, while the article has been repeatedly vandalized in attack-page style. Pinging @Bueller 007: who initially raised BLP1E concerns. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 03:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. "Lead plaintiff" in a class-action suit is practically random. Of course, lawyers will name as a lead plaintiff someone with a legally sympathetic case, but that is not a source of notability, and neither is anything else indicated in the article. BD2412 T 03:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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Delete. Worth a mention on the Freedom Convoy class action lawsuit page. But shouldn't have a dedicated article. Clearly BLP1E (or TOOSOON if you want to call it that). Bueller 007 (talk) 12:21, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
Selective merge/redirect to Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit, where the subject is already mentioned, per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion. I did not find significant coverage in reliable sources in my searches for sources that were not about the lawsuit. Wikipedia:Notability (people)#People notable for only one event notes:
When the role played by an individual in the event is less significant, and little or no other information is available to use in the writing of a balanced biography, an independent article may not be needed. That person should be covered in an article regarding the event, and the person's name should be redirected to it.
A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow editors to selectively merge any content that can be reliably sourced to the target article. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow the redirect to be undone if significant coverage in reliable sources is found in the future. Cunard (talk) 09:12, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Comment: GhostOfDanGurney (talk · contribs), BD2412 (talk · contribs), and Bueller 007 (talk · contribs), would you support a selective merge/redirect to Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion and Wikipedia:Notability (people)#People notable for only one event? Cunard (talk) 09:12, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Admittedly, I don't think that we need a separate article for the class action lawsuit. Canada convoy protest#Lawsuits covers this same lawsuit with about as much detail. A merge of the child article into the parent wouldn't make the parent much more larger than it already is, would prevent/fix any WP:CFORK issues, and is something I had been considering doing WP:BOLDly prior to it being brought up here.

That said, I'm not opposed to a redirect of Zexi Li to Canada convoy protest#Lawsuits, or if there is consensus to keep the child split from the parent, to Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit. Mostly as per WP:CHEAP as I don't think any content on Zexi Li is worth merging over. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 15:36, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for not being opposed to a redirect. I think the best redirect target for now is Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit, where she is mentioned. If editors conclude that the class action lawsuit topic should not have a standalone article, then I think the best redirect target would be Canada convoy protest#Lawsuits (once her name is mentioned there) as you stated. Cunard (talk) 05:58, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Delete. There's no notability in being the lead plaintiff in a notable case, and nothing here suggests there is any other basis for notability. I would suggest merging anything pertinent into Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit, but I see nothing worth merging.

I guess a redirect would be okay, if there's a thought that someone might be searching on the name of the litigant, but that's probably not needed. TJRC (talk) 20:11, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for being okay with a redirect. This Google News link shows that Zexi Li has given numerous interviews to the media about the Canada convoy protest. This article calls her "spokesperson and the face of the lawsuit" against the convoy, so I think her name is a plausible search query. Several reasons from Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#Reasons for not deleting also apply such as "They have a potentially useful page history" (there is useful information about her activism about the Canada convoy that potentially could be merged) and they would "make the creation of duplicate articles less likely" (an article about a lawsuit's spokesperson is duplicate to an article about the lawsuit). Cunard (talk) 11:28, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but I have to disagree that there is a "useful page history." I'll reiterate that there is absolutely nothing that I would consider merging from this article, so preserving the page history is of zero importance to me. I strongly prefer hard deletion, at which point if people think "Zexi Li" is a plausible search term, a redirect can be created later. Any support for a redirect that I've expressed here should be considered weak. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 14:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree with GhostOfDanGurney on the page history. As I said above, although I don't object to the redirect, I see nothing worth merging, so there's no need to retain the page history, which is not potentially useful. TJRC (talk) 18:36, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

The second and fourth paragraphs of Zexi Li#Adult life would meet the due weight policy if merged to Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit. This is why I consider the content and history to be useful and worth preserving. Cunard (talk) 07:28, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

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Gotham, Inc.[edit]

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Fails WP:CORP. Found only one independent source with in-depth coverage: https://archives.lib.duke.edu/catalog/gothaminc. Flounder fillet (talk) 03:01, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

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Daniel Rosenfeldt[edit]

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Hi; this is my first time both using Twinkle and participating in the AfD process, so try not to flame me too hard if I make a mistake here. This article has somewhat poor sourcing and I've done a check for his name to try and find anything on him but I've come up short. If anyone can find better sources for this, that would be great, but I'm unable to on my end. Neo Purgatorio (talk) 00:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

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Delete: nothing in the article suggests notability per WP:MUSICBIO and I'm unable to find any significant coverage online. InDimensional (talk) 11:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
Weak Keep: High ranking in a major TV contest gives notability but I'd suggest that coverage in English will be hard to find Sansbarry (talk) 01:20, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

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Afghan women during the Taliban regime[edit]

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This exact page already exists at Treatment of women by the Taliban. Noorullah (talk) 03:42, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

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Sean Kenny (rugby league)[edit]

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT as I am unable to find anything more than routine transactional announcements (1, 2). JTtheOG (talk) 03:32, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

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Jack Nilson (fighter)[edit]

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Doesn't meet GNG and no longer meets NMMA under its revised criteria Nswix (talk) 03:21, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

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Oliver Kizito[edit]

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT as I am unable to find anything more than trivial mentions. JTtheOG (talk) 03:21, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

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Keagan Glade[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The most I found was three sentences of coverage here, but no sustained or in-depth coverage. JTtheOG (talk) 03:14, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

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Édes Anna[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFILM Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 02:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

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Comment Can you explain what WP:BEFORE you conducted for this non-English film, OlifanofmrTennant? Because I'm seeing a lot of non-English coverage of the film in Google Books (and even a lot of English mentions and French, for some reason), which would itself imply coverage in 1950s Hungarian newspapers, though I have no idea if such papers are digitized as of yet. Being in the Cannes Film Festival would also imply coverage, which may explain the French coverage actually. Silver seren^C 02:26, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Oh I completlty forgot to check for non-english sources. I looked through Google, Gnews and Gbooks but coulnt find anything that seemed to be SIGCOV. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 02:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
One additional complication I noticed is that Édes Anna is apparently also the name of a Hungarian brand of paprika. I had to add the director's name to my search string to narrow the results to those actually about the film. Silver seren^C 03:04, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Keep: Added a few things. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 07:57, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Gupteswor Cave, Parbat[edit]

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Lacks significant coverage in reliable sources with only 10 Google search results. Fails WP:GNG. Mia Mahey (talk) 01:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

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Topics that meet WP:GEONATURAL, verifiable here, are usually kept. Deletion is out of question. Question is, how/where should it be included in the encyclopedia? Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:33, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Kalloor[edit]

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See Wikipedia_talk:List_of_hoaxes_on_Wikipedia#Kalloor (" the place in Tamil Nadu, India, where the Apostle Thomas, one of the 12 disciples of Jesus, is believed to have been killed"). Possible hoax, and unreferenced. Fails WP:V. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:12, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

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Cora, Washington[edit]

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This was a declined PROD. The third source (forte) is just a list of post offices, and doesn't provide proof of population center since many post offices were in rural areas, and had names that weren't always the same as the place. GNIS (source 1) is unreliable for classification of towns. The second source provides 3 refs for this "town" [16] [17] [18]. Those sources don't mention a town of Cora, but a post office called Cora. Further research shows that the Cora post office serviced the Upper Big Bottom area of Lewis county [19](see pg 253). A newspaper article from 2002 further stated that it was a post office (look down toward the bottom of the first column) [20] James.folsom (talk) 00:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Delete per the lack of valid sources describing this as a community Claire 26 (talk) 01:12, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
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Delete per nom; sources just show this was a rural post office, and there is nothing at the site now except a "Cora Bridge". WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 02:47, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Chris Pratt (sailor)[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTSPERSON Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 00:12, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

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Keep, there is plenty of sourcing available as Pratt's Olympic selection and career was discussed in media at the time. For example, see: "Pratt's the right choice". The Age. 1984-03-24. p. 36. Retrieved 2024-05-05. --Habst (talk) 00:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Please share other sources if you have them, that's the only link used in the article that's about this person. Oaktree b (talk) 01:02, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
@Oaktree b, I added it to the article because I found it. It was only the first one that showed up in my feed, I'll find another when I have a moment free. --Habst (talk) 01:04, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Delete: Even in Gnewspapers, I can only see match reports, nothing at length about this person. Decline for lack of sourcing Oaktree b (talk) 01:01, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
@Oaktree b, I would check WP:Newspapers.com instead of Gnewspapers. I found some at length sources, I added a few to the article (it had no non-database sources at the start of this AfD). --Habst (talk) 01:46, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Two sources I found on Trove: [21] & [22]. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:46, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Koehler Instrument Company, Inc.[edit]

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This is not related to the well known plumbing company, but a not so commonly known specialty business who makes laboratory test equipment and offer test services to the oil and gas industry. I see articles authored by "Dr. Raj Shah is a Director at Koehler Instrument Company in New York, where he has worked for the last 28 years." but I'm not seeing much coverage on the company in news or books and does not appear to pass WP:NCORP Graywalls (talk) 00:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

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File:Logo of the National Assembly (Hungary).svg[edit]

Hungarian works by official authorities (governmental works aren't copyrighted. Kys5g^talk! 01:39, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

File:Morricone Youth Band.jpg[edit]

Uploaded in 2016 as self-made, but appears to be a black-and-white screenshot of a 2012 YouTube video. hinnk (talk) 03:46, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

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Category:Australian business executives by industry[edit]

Propose merging Category:Australian business executives by industry to Category:Australian business executives

Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful for navigation to only have one category in here. Mason (talk) 04:30, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Category:Australian mining entrepreneurs[edit]

Propose merging Category:Australian mining entrepreneurs to Category:Australian mining businesspeople

Nominator's rationale: overlapping category. Also there's no Category:Mining entrepreneurs (which suggests that this tree is probably also redundant) Mason (talk) 04:29, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

support - good points made - however for the record - despite the fact that in the Australian context an entrepreneur tends to infer an investor/wealthy person, whereas businessperson includes and infers potentially management level - the lack of mining entrepeneurs as a tree seems to deny the universal phenomenon, which is extensive. JarrahTree 07:55, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Category:Jewish communities destroyed in the Holocaust[edit]

Propose listifying and deleting Category:Jewish communities destroyed in the Holocaust (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Disclaimer: I would like to say that this is a sensitive topic that should not be treated lightly. I am going to make some observations that seek to address what I see as inappropriate categorisation practices, but I thereby do not seek to deny or diminish or trivialise the severity of The Holocaust. That said: I think this is an WP:ARBITRARYCAT that should be listified, and every entry supported by WP:RS.

Detailed explanation

Firstly: We cannot say that a city or town, which had at some point a "Jewish community" (something which should also be properly defined first in terms of numbers and characteristics) living in it, should in its entirety be included in this category. The precedent Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 27#Category:Hungarian communities in Slovakia comes to mind: a minority community within a populated place or administrative region cannot be WP:DEFINING for the identity of that place or region as a whole. This is a wider issue within the Category:Historic Jewish communities in Europe tree, but also in similar category trees of "communities" that categorise entire places or regions based on a minority of ethnic group X living within its borders.

Secondly, what exactly "destroyed" means is also not clear, as there have also been many Holocaust survivors. Is a "community" only destroyed when 100% of its members did not survive the Holocaust, or is 90% enough? I'm sorry if that seems like a strange or inappropriate question, but it is one we need to ask to avoid having arbitrary percentages, and thus WP:ARBITRARYCATs. It is the same reason why we can't have Category:Fooian-speaking countries just because, say, more than 50% of inhabitants in country X speaks Fooian, because '50%' is arbitrary. (So I had those categories all renamed last year as well).

What "destroyed" means exactly may also vary. A few years ago, there was a long dispute on Dutch Wikipedia about "List of castles destroyed by the French during the Franco-Dutch War" (it had many different titles, all of which were quite arbitrary and untenable; link: nl:Wikipedia:Te beoordelen pagina's/Toegevoegd 20201103#Lijst van kastelen in Nederland, die door de Fransen rond 1672 of 1794 verwoest zijn). There, it turned out that some castles were rather "damaged" than "destroyed", or "demolished" outside of combat, and that a lot of WP:OR and WP:SYNTH was involved in developing the list. Like this category, that list mostly sought to highlight and quantify the extent of the destruction wrought by a group of perpetrators, but failed to properly define what it was exactly about. "Community" is an even vaguer concept than "castle", and how one can "destroy a community" is really a question I would rather like to leave up to sociologists than us category Wikipedians.

If we listify this category, we could at least provide reliable sources in which scholars explain what they mean; categories cannot do that for us. NLeeuw (talk) 17:10, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Delete, the category contains articles about current-day European cities and towns rather than articles about pre-1945 Jewish communities. No objection against listification per se, but I think this task is far too big for someone to start with on a short term. The category content may be listed at the talk page of a relevant WikiProject before deletion, for someone, or maybe for multiple editors together, to start listifying in their own pace. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:59, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
That seems like a good idea. Perhaps the creator @Eladkarmel is willing to do so? NLeeuw (talk) 20:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Delete These populated places are not notable for being Jewish communities. Dimadick (talk) 19:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

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