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Query

Hello, Jim,

So, I saw in the Deletion log that Scottywong was deleting dozens and dozens of his User pages which is never a good sign. I went to his Talk page to see what was up and he fully protected it before blocking himself. I'm sorry that he has decided to leave this way but my question for you is can an editor, or an admin, fully protect their User talk page? I can understand some level of protection if there has been harassment in the past but I don't think that is true here. I think that other editors should have the right to communicate, even just to say, "So long, good luck". But I've never acted against the wishes of another administrator so I thought I'd ask you since you have more experience here than I do. What do you think? Leave it alone or lower the protection?

Thanks! And what are you doing still doing up at this hour? Liz Read! Talk! 08:33, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I see it has something to do with an arbitration case. I didn't even know that was going on. So out of touch with that part of Wikipedia these days. Liz Read! Talk! 08:36, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Liz, it is always a sad thing when a colleague goes out in a blaze of "glory". I did not follow Scottywong's recent travails although I have been aware of him and his software work for many years, going back to when his username was Snottywong. But I have not paid close attention. As for me, my wife and I are night people and this is a Saturday night. We have been bingewatching a 20 year old crime TV series lately. Now, we are unwinding in bed with a shot of whiskey, and will be turning off the lights in a matter of minutes, so that's my story and I am sticking to it. Thanks for stopping by. I hold you in high regard. Cullen328 (talk) 09:05, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
As for the page protection, I have no strong feelings on that one way or the other. It is probably a bit out of line, but if he is gone forever, who cares all that much? Cullen328 (talk) 09:08, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Hi Jim— this may be a blast from the past, but we interacted many years ago, even before your adminship, and I have a habit of continuing to watch the talkpages of editors I respect. I came across this discussion and I want to add my personal view that it's disappointing to me to see admins discussing how to use their mop for either their own interests or for the interests of other admins, outside of our common goal of improving the encyclopedia. The editor in question has a confirmed record of being unkind to other editors, particularly the IP users that I believe are the future of this project, and if they want to flame out in public and abuse their tools in doing so, then let them do it one last time and let's be done with it. My 2¢, and I raise my own shot of whiskey to you in acknowlegement. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 05:44, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Orange Suede Sofa. I do vaguely remember your username but do not remember the context. Maybe you will enlighten me so that I do not say something too stupid. Anyway, the editor/administrator in question has been desysopped. I was somewhat aware of the recent case but did not follow it closely. From what I know, SW made some great contributions and also lost control too many times. Hey, I have been accused of losing control a few times and that is never easy, even if an administrator thinks they have done the best for the encyclopedia. So, I feel sorry for that ex-administrator, although I have no intention of protesting the outcome, and I am going to do my best going forward to remain in control of my emotions. As for IP editors, I am well aware that some of them are productive, long term contributors, and that many of the others are short term, hit and run jerks who rapidly find other hobbies, such as robbing convenience stores and gas stations, to tell a joke. Clearly, I can never know for sure, but it is the long term abusers that interest me, although I am not expert in detecting them or understanding their twisted motivations. Cullen328 (talk) 09:07, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Danielin1987

They've already violated your warning. I'd indef them myself, but you did all the work.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:41, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

And they also violated the TPA revoke warning (here and here). LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 02:32, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Bbb23 and LilianaUwU, thank you for the updates. Indeffed and talk page access revoked. I guess that other websites will have to deal with this person's contributions. So it goes. Cullen328 (talk) 02:46, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Yankee eddie (17:26, 15 July 2023)

Hello sirs, I was reviewing the 1927 New York Yankees article you published. No where could I find the statistic of the run differential for this 1927 season for the greatest Yankee team in history. I wanted to see how it compares to the 1939 Yankee season which had a run differential of 411 runs. Please help. Thank you in advance. Yankee Eddie --Yankee eddie (talk) 17:26, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Yankee eddie. You could ask at Talk:1927 New York Yankees season, or ask an active member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball. Cullen328 (talk) 17:36, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Question re your administrative bar of my editing

Hello - Over the past week I got in a dust-up with another contributor over the Werner Hegemann page. He deleted two paragraphs of my work, claiming that it was not sourced properly. I protested, pointing out that one paragraph describing two of Hegemann's books quoted from them (I purchased and read the two books to ensure accuracy), citing page numbers. The second contested paragraph summarized Hegemann's 1912-13 lecture tour in the US. I added a citation for that from Hegemann's English biography (which describes the tour in detail). I also pointed out that my critic's contribution was also not sourced properly. In response, the critic initiated a conflict of interest claim, alleging that as Hegemann's grandson I was using the Hegemann page for "personal research." No evidence or explanation was provided for this claim. The critic again deleted my work. At this point I invited the critic to involve an administrator in our tiff. Today I find that you have come down heavily on my critic's side of the quarrel, denouncing me as having an "obvious" conflict and contributing unsourced material. I do not understand the conflict claim, nor do I understand the unsourced material claim. My editing over the past decade or so has extended to multiple subjects and over 1000 edits. I have prided myself in extending the limits of wiki to several new subjects with careful contributions, also deepening understanding of other subjects (like Hegemann and James M. Hinds). Having recently retired from the law after 36 years of practice I have more time to research and help explain things (hence purchasing Hegemann's books to described them accurately). I am also a published historian. Could you please help me understand what I am doing wrong and why I deserve a bar? I am baffled. Thanks, Bill Darrow. Wmdarrow (talk) 22:14, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Wmdarrow, convincing evidence was presented at WP:ANI#User repeatedly adding unsourced content to articles for years that you have been persistently adding unsourced content to articles for years, which is not acceptable behavior. You have a conflict of interest. Please read the Guide to appealing blocks. Cullen328 (talk) 22:56, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
@Wmdarrow: The information you added could be well sourced, but you failed to provide references for WP:V. tgeorgescu (talk) 00:51, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
Wmdarrow is not being fair in denying the conflict of interest or unsourced claims. One only needs to go through his editing history and see the countless articles he has added unsourced content on. For years he has been adding unsourced material about a relative of his James M. Hinds [1], [2] and to other articles [3] [4]. On the Hinds article, Wmdarrow later added his own paper to the article so at least he has finally added a reference but it was written by himself. So we have unsourced content being added for years to many articles and a user adding his own paper about a distant relative of his. There clearly is conflict of interest. On WP:ANI I have cited many examples where he has been adding unsourced content. He has been doing it for years. I have to admit this is one of the worst cases I have seen. A lot of what he is adding does sound historically accurate or that it could be true but that is besides the point, it is unsourced. Psychologist Guy (talk) 01:54, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Question from David Charles Cooke (12:38, 23 July 2023)

hello --David Charles Cooke (talk) 12:38, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, David Charles Cooke. What is your question? Cullen328 (talk) 18:22, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Iamandre iq (04:31, 24 July 2023)

What is the best way to edit --Iamandre iq (talk) 04:31, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Iamandre, every edit that you make should be for the purpose of improving this encyclopedia. That is all that matters here. Cullen328 (talk) 06:22, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Re Lyndsey Stonebridge

Related to the block you entered at User talk:Rcwliteraryagency#July, 2023, could you take a look at Lyndsey Stonebridge's recent page history. Fruitsalad1234 appears behaviorally to be a sock for Rcwliteraryagency. And IP 2a0 previously referred to the subject of the article in the first person multiple times. I think semi-protection or pending-changes might be appropriate. {{replyto|SilverLocust}} (talk) 12:26, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, SilverLocust. Thanks for the report. I have blocked the sock account and semi-protected the article for a month. Cullen328 (talk) 16:29, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Magnus Carlsen

You revdel'ed the addition of BLP violating material to this talk page, but you did not revdel the deletion. Doesn't that need to be done?

There are similar recent splotches of BLP violating material, added by the same now-blocked editor, in Talk:Carlsen-Niemann controversy and Talk:Bobby Fischer. Thanks. Bruce leverett (talk) 00:29, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Bruce leverett. I am cautious about revision deleting conversations where other editors have responded in good faith. Please feel free to ask another administrator. Cullen328 (talk) 00:49, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
There are two other editors involved, User:MaxBrowne2 and myself. You have my full permission, and encouragement, to revdel these entire conversations. I hope that the above reference to "Max" will bring him here and he can give permission too.
In any case, revdel'ing the addition doesn't hide the "grossly offensive" material unless you also revdel the deletion. Bruce leverett (talk) 03:36, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
No problem with revdeleting any conversations I've had involving this editor. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 04:55, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
Bruce leverett and MaxBrowne2, I am getting ready to travel out of town for a family wedding, and need to focus mostly on that. Plus, I don't do much revision deletion as an administrator. I've tried to clean up this mess, but I may have made some mistakes. I find this person's edits very creepy. If this matter requires additional attention, I will do my best, but may not respond promptly in the next couple of days. Cullen328 (talk) 08:00, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Checked on your work, Cullen. Looks like you did it correctly. Enjoy the wedding. If there are further issues in this direction, WP:ANI will likely have quick response while Cullen is out of town. --Jayron32 12:40, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

User talk:Dextara

Blocked user wanted to continue to promo the company - while not rising to the level of revoking TPA in my books, I'd thought you should take a look. Cahk (talk) 07:38, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Re: Biography of Living Persions

I am slowly updating the entry for Vesna Goldsworthy. My updates thus far have been adding published works listed in the Library of Congress Catalogue that are not currently present on her Wikipedia page. Goldsworthy lives in the UK, and her books mention the British Library catalogue. The Library of Congress has 12 listings. The British Library has 29. Many of these 29 seem to be minor things such as talks and magazine articles. I assume not all of these should be listed. I can find no advice in WP:BLP. Rereading WP:BLP this is somewhat easier but I'd still like your opinion. Another problem is that, as an academic, she has edited one or more books. Usually the bibliographic form would be: Vesna Goldsworthy(Ed.), Title,.... In her page her name is absent so I assume Title(Ed.).... would be acceptable. Full disclosure: I must confess that through a Facebook error Goldsworthy and I became Facebook friends. I live in the US, and never have met her or spoken to her (by voice). I hope that this does not automatically make me a biased editor. I will have to ask her what picture she would wish to use for her Wikipedia page. I feel that this is necessary to check the photo's copyright and because it will become part of Wikimedia. Oldsilenus (talk) 17:11, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Oldsilenus. I do not think that you have a significant conflict of interest based on a casual Facebook friendship. Only her most significant works should be listed, not everything. The most widely cited works that are academic, for example. The full expression of Template:Cite book has a field for editors as well as authors. The easiest photo would be a well-composed selfie that she takes for just this purpose, and uploads to Wikimedia Commons under a free license. Any photo published elsewhere is presumed to be restricted by copyright, unless explicitly labeled with a free license. I hope this helps. Cullen328 (talk) 21:56, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
I see that you took a break for a few years. Welcome back. Cullen328 (talk) 22:03, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

A small help

Hello, Cullen. Could you check this edit [5]. I don't want to question and get into a discussion again with that editor, I thought you could give me a better insight on whether that removal was necessary. While I understand WP:BLPCRIME, I don't have much knowledge about individuals involved in a crime on Wikipedia. Rejoy2003(talk) 09:23, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The removal was appropriate. See Wikipedia:Who is a low-profile individual, in general, a presumption of innocence and of privacy for low-profile, non-public figures is maintained for people merely accused of crimes. The name adds almost nothing to the understanding of the situation, but holds the potential for real harm for a private person who has not yet been convicted of anything. --Jayron32 14:08, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
So we should include names only if the person is convicted as in courts etc. Like serious cases, murders, rape etc? Not petty crimes. Rejoy2003(talk) 14:22, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
My general take is that for "non-public figures", we should err on the side of not including the name unless there is a really compelling reason to do so, especially in cases where a person hasn't been convicted of anything. And, from my point of view, even a conviction doesn't mean we must include their name. It's a matter of weighing the value of the name to the narrative against the principle of "do no harm". There's always nuance. YMMV, you may get other opinions, etc. That's just my take. --Jayron32 14:45, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Ah I understand now, thank you for your help. Will it be okay to atleast add back the age of the individual? I see no harm in that. Rejoy2003(talk) 15:04, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Rejoy2003. I agree with what Jayron32 said above about the removal of the name of the non-public person arrested but not convicted of a low level crime. As for the age, what benefit does it bring the reader to learn that this person was 31 instead of 27 or 34? A more serious issue is that the article has major problems with the Neutral point of view. Instead of simply summarizing what happened, the article is instructing people on church governance procedures with a hortatory tone. That is not appropriate. Cullen328 (talk) 15:38, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Benefit? Nothing much I thought about, its just that the article stays close to the source whilst also not jeopardising someone's stand in the society. Also regarding your issue with WP:NPOV, do you also agree to the editor for both of these edits? [6] [7] Rejoy2003(talk) 09:37, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
A simple question for Rejoy2003. Do you have any connection (personal or professional) with any individual or institution involved in this incident? Given the inordinate amount of effort you have put into this article, and given the obvious WP:NPOV problems with your editing, it seems an entirely reasonable question to ask. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:02, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
No, I have absolutely no connection with any individual or institution, also knowing it falls under WP:COI. Nevertheless I'm now relieved to know where you got your WP:NPOV remark from. If you're talking about my level of dedication to the article, I always try to keep the same to any article or subject I work on. Rejoy2003(talk) 15:09, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
I was talking about your dedication to using the article as a soapbox. Cullen has already commented above on 'inappropriate tone', to which I'd have to add gross exaggerations such as representing a single incident as a (retroactive) two-month 'civil conflict', portraying normal policing as participating as said 'conflict', and generally doing everything you can to make a minor incident look like incipient civil war. No moneylenders have been ejected from temples. Nobody has nailed a thesis to a church door. And unless and until secondary sources can be provided to demonstrate long-term significance for this minor kerfuffle, we are under no obligation to carry long-winded and pointed articles on it, regardless of how much dubious and repetitive padding you add. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:40, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
This is the exact reason why I didn't wanted to get into another discussion with you. Yet you followed me here on another editor's talk page only to talk about the "AFD" related discussions here. I've known your past, I just asked a simple question with another editor. You didn't had any reasons making this look like a debate with your combative behaviour. Rejoy2003(talk) 16:25, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Rejoy2003, you are bludgeoning the discussion at the AfD, please stop. See further my note on your own talkpage. Bishonen | tålk 16:34, 5 August 2023 (UTC).

Rejoy2003, I endorse the feedback that you have been given by AndyTheGrump and Bishonen, and recommend that you heed their words. Cullen328 (talk) 17:28, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

As for 'following', given that Rejoy2003 is discussing my edits, I am obviously entitled to comment here. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:49, 5 August 2023 (UTC).
AndyTheGrump, your insightful observations are always welcome on this talk talk page. Cullen328 (talk) 17:52, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

SUGGESTION FOR MY WIKIPEDIA PAGE

HI @Cullen328CULLEN I WAS TOTALLY CONFUSED WITH MY WIKIPEDIA PAGE IT WAS DECLINEING AGAIN AND AGAIN MAY I KNOW ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR MY PAGE THAT SHOULD MADE @Scottwilliam2609THIS MY USER NAME [ SunTec Business Solutions ]THIS MY ARTICAL Scottwilliam2609 (talk) 09:09, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@Scottwilliam2609 We don't have subpages in articles. none of New Trends in Relationship-Based Pricing is about the company nor is it properly sourced. None of the awards show that they are notable by our criteria, ie they don't have their own articles. That's just for starters. Doug Weller talk 10:58, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
@Scottwilliam2609 And is this all your own writing without any computer aids such as AI? You haven't responded to the questions about possible paid editing on your talk page. Doug Weller talk 11:03, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
Scottwilliam2609, before I offer any advice, I need to know whether or not you are a paid editor. Cullen328 (talk) 22:00, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
Also, please do not write in all caps. Cullen328 (talk) 22:01, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
No iam not an paid editor Scottwilliam2609 (talk) 09:56, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

User:TEAMVALOR786Real

I've unblocked them. They've been saying all the right things onwiki and on discord to the point where we either has to assume bad faith or hope for the best.©Geni (talk) 04:19, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, Geni. Cullen328 (talk) 16:36, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – August 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2023).

Administrator changes

added Firefangledfeathers
removed

Interface administrator changes

added Novem Linguae

Technical news

Arbitration

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:53, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Nuisance

[Gone4life] is posting illicit images on various pages. A swift block is needed. $chnauzer 07:31, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Crboyer. This particular troll has already been blocked by another administrator. Cullen328 (talk) 07:35, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
I think the user needs to be stripped their talk page access and their trolling stricken from the record for their shear disruptiveness. $chnauzer 07:37, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Crboyer, they are indefinitely blocked, globally locked, and their talk page access has been revoked. Cullen328 (talk) 16:10, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Should TPA be revoked or the block extended?

Hello @Cullen328.

This user you blocked yesterday for violating WP:NPA is still swearing at Rajan51. Please see this reply. 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 13:19, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Layah50. I have indefinitely blocked that editor and revoked talk page access. Cullen328 (talk) 17:17, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
Thanks! 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 18:19, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Feedback request: Biographies request for comment

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Question

Why did you revert my edit? 40.138.183.135 (talk) 00:06, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Because it was inappropriate and not an improvement. Cullen328 (talk) 00:07, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Appreciation

I just wanted to say thank you for all of your editing help this year.

Drew Cryptohydrate (talk) 00:21, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Cryptohydrate, you're welcome. Happy to be of assistance. Cullen328 (talk) 00:25, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

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Complaint about Wikimedia’s fund policy

Edward-Woodrow recently wrote a letter, addressed to the editors on the Wikimedia projects, staunchly advocating against the exaggeration of the economic situation of Wikipedia (specifically on Banners) in order to obtain funds, against the misuse of the funds by WMF, which gives these funds to other unrelated projects, and against scandals such as that of the Golden Parachutes. Here is the letter: User:Edward-Woodrow/complaint. Feel free to sign in support if you want to. Have a good day. See also to the Signpost article and the following discussion, Which show that a consensus is against WMF here. Have a good day. Reman Empire (talk) 18:48, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the information, Reman Empire. Cullen328 (talk) 18:58, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Sorry if this seems like canvassing; these messages were not my idea. Edward-Woodrow :) [talk] 19:21, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Additional block

Hey Cullen!

You recently blocked an account, but they do have an alt. Could you block this also? Thanks!

(Courtesy link:Special:Contributions/Dankpods) - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 02:41, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Never mind, it appears that speedy material scientist beat us to it. Sorry to bother and have a great night! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 02:43, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello Illusion Flame. Yes, another administrator has already blocked that account. No problem. Cullen328 (talk) 02:48, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
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Help...

Can you revoke this user: 123800349 محمد talk page. Has been blocked for editing, this user keeps editing disruptively in his own talk page... gives me a headache :( 🔥YesI'mOnFire🔥(ContainThisEmber?) 02:52, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

YesI'mOnFire, talk page access revoked. Cullen328 (talk) 06:16, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Watching Washington

Yikes!! This made me sit up and take notice. Hope the wind is blowing the other way, and that 30 miles is a safe distance. What with all the stuff in the news, both now, and this year and recent fire seasons, I get jumpy when I hear about things like this now, way more than I used to, when it seemed like something that only happened "elsewhere". Sending calming thoughts and cooling fog northward. Mathglot (talk) 01:57, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Mathglot. The last time I heard any news from Washington, California (population 200) was a few months back when people sitting on the deck of the bar/restaurant there spotted a black bear swimming in the snow melt swollen South Yuba River. The bear made it across OK. The evacuation zones for this fire are a very long way from our house, both in mileage and geography. The fire would need to burn over a major mountain ridge and through two separate well-defended towns to get to our neighborhood. And we live in a newly built, relatively fire safe neighborhood. So, I am not yet worried. My wife and I have made it through much more massive fires than this one, which is pretty small at this point. Cullen328 (talk) 02:25, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
So, Grass Valley, huh? You know, I once fell in love with a Grass Valley girl, extending a "brief visit" to California by, oh only about ten years. :) That was decades ago now, but...California, it has a way of grabbing you, one way or another, doesn't it?
Well, I'll join with Mathglot in saying do be safe. I'm sure you're right that there's no immediate concern, but after the last ten years of watching one place after another that I once called home or knew well go up in flames in the news, including Maui and B.C. in just the last weeks, and too many places to count in California and Cascadia generally...well, I just never take anything for granted anymore. We're in a new world in that respect, I fear. SnowRise let's rap 02:54, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Snow Rise, my wife and I lived in the Napa Valley for nearly 30 years. Our oldest son got into a relationship with a wonderful woman about nine years ago, and she has owned a successful small business in Grass Valley for 15 years. They lived in the Bay Area for a couple of years, then moved to Grass Valley, and our granddaughter was born here about six years ago. We decided to downsize and bought a new smaller home in Grass Valley, and finally sold our Napa Valley house two months ago. Today, we had a picnic with our son and granddaughter at a hilltop winery, and there was no sign of smoke. For now, that is. Cullen328 (talk) 04:10, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Well, that follows: a beautiful family is one of the few things that would get me out of Napa Valley if I had set down roots there. :) I'm very happy to hear of your family's recent growth and blessings: not withstanding the topic this thread began with, I hope you all have many, many long years of happiness ahead of you there! SnowRise let's rap 05:04, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
But what if it's an ugly family? Then you've got a problem. EEng 03:00, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
EEng, I am active on Facebook and post plenty of family photos there, under the name "Jim Heaphy". You can submit a friend request, and if I accept it, you can express your opinion of the beauty and ugliness of at least four generations of my family. For you, I might post photos of my grandparents for your unique critique of the fifth generation. My mother's father was born in 1881. Just ask. Cullen328 (talk) 06:13, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
I have my own mental images of editors I know and would prefer not to have those illusions pierced. 06:36, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
You, EEng, on the other hand, have a propensity to post "amusing" images hither and yon on Wikipedia. Plus, you have posted an image to my user page, where you certainly viewed a couple of images of my mug. Perhaps I should take up the hobby of posting images of various of my family members wherever you have told a "joke" on Wikipedia, asking your opinion as to whether or not the living person in question is "beautiful" or "ugly"? Is that the sort of game you wish to play? I warn you that I am the scion of a very attractive clan, with only a handful of exceptions. Cullen328 (talk) 06:55, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
Er, um ... OK. EEng 06:58, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
Actually Cullen, having seen those photos myself, I always thought you look like any number of people I grew up around: you wouldn't happen to have any Scottish heritage? That would explain the beauty. ;) SnowRise let's rap 09:09, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Disruption continues

Appreciate your help recently, but it appears the IP editor is back to their old ways. None of the recent blocks seems to have changed any behavior. Personal attack here and other borderline uncivil comments littering Talk:Cedar Point (diff). Not sure what the next course of action is, but I've chosen to disengage at this point. May need to consider banning this IP range from the Cedar Point article and talk page. --GoneIn60 (talk) 17:21, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, GoneIn60. I have semiprotected that talk page for three months. As always, please let me know if the disruption resumes. Cullen328 (talk) 17:28, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
Will do, thanks! --GoneIn60 (talk) 17:29, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you

I'm sorry that the JohnEC Jr business ended rather nastily, but wanted to thank you for your quick action on it - and, as a Christian, I'll admit to chuckling at your retort! Jtrevor99 (talk) 01:44, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Jtrevor99. Sorry to say it, but that editor seemed incapable of editing Talk: Jesus either neutrally or rationally. Cullen328 (talk) 01:47, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Conferences

It has been observed that some issues are contentious and disagreeable to Wikipedia. These matters may be discussed at conferences anywhere in the world, including Jerusalem.JohnEC Fa (talk) 02:37, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Obvious sock is obvious... AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:11, 23 August 2023
AndyTheGrump, have you noticed how often religiously motivated editors are willing to engage in deceptive and outright unethical behavior? Cullen328 (talk) 03:43, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! EEng 04:09, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
Convince yourself that you are doing 'God's work', and you don't have to think about ethics. AndyTheGrump (talk) 04:56, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi. Lorraine Longshaw

I am a 4th cousin 3 times removed from Dr. William Longshaw. I have copies of original Ancenstry.com of my cousin. William's 5X great grandfather William Longshaw was born in 1715. He is my 6th great grandfather as William died January 15, 1865. He had no children to carry on the Longshaw family name from his side of the Longshaws as he was killed in action. I do have copies of all relevant information, uploaded copies regarding William. I also have his acceptance letter to West Point. Toshiye6 (talk) 04:08, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Toshiye6. You misunderstand how Wikipedia works. Our articles summarize what reliable published sources say about a topic. Ancestry.com is not a reliable source. Your personal genealogy research is not a reliable, published source. Experienced Wikipedia editors simply do not care what you believe in your heart of hearts. We care only about what reliable, published sources say. William's 5X great grandfather is irrelevant trivia that contributes nothing to the discussion. Being accepted to West Point, even if true, is of very little interest if he never attended West Point, and I see no evidence of that. There was great turmoil, after all, among young military recruits at the beginning of the Civil War. You cannot persuade experienced editors on their talk pages. You must make a persuasive, policy based argument at Talk:William Longshaw Jr., which is the appropriate place to discuss improving that article. Cullen328 (talk) 04:43, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

204.148.240.246

204.148.240.246 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)

You may want to revoke talkpage access. Thanks. 2601:1C0:4401:F60:3CD8:AAC6:96B1:789 (talk) 20:37, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Disruptions in the page Wahhabism

Hi Cullen328, thanks for your reversion here, which undid a horribly disruptive edit.

I have been working on improving this page for over two years and I notice such disruptions as well as Vandalism by IPs and newly-created bots regularly. I have tried my best to undo them, but it doesnt keep stoping. If you could also permanently semi-protect this page, that'd be cool. Thanks.🙂

Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 20:19, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Shadowwarrior8. Thanks for your work to improve that article. I do not think that the disruption there is frequent enough to justify indefinite semi-protection. I semi-protected it for one month. Please feel free to contact me if the disruption resumes, and I will consider a longer time. Cullen328 (talk) 20:50, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Please do not close the discussion

Like I said multiple times before, changing the title of the article American Indian Wars is completely off the table, since it refers to an official name of the series of events. Also, these users tone policed my arguments and contested to my status as a supposedly inexperienced user to invalidate my claims, which are considered incivil. I barely even bludgeoned anyone's contradictory arguments, as I have agreed with some of them and have made analogies that are exactly the same as theirs, which are uncontroversially true (e.g. American Indians and Black Americans vs. Amerindians and African-Americans). I specifically pointed out a double standard in regards to how they advocate for preferred terminologies on ethnic terms, and yet they don't apply that concept to African Americans for example. I contested to the utilization of Intothatdarkness' statistics, not the veracity, as I have stated how he did not cite any sources or references. I was not being vitriolic in any way, shape or form. DaRealPrinceZuko (talk) 03:28, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

DaRealPrinceZuko, my talk page is not the place to debate these content points. The applicable article talk pages are the proper place. I certainly did not accuse you of being vitriolic, and accuracy is a prized attribute of productive Wikipedia editors. Please be very careful to avoid tendentious, argumentative editing. That behavior never ends well. Cullen328 (talk) 04:16, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
Sorry, I thought you were kind of biased in favor of the other users' opposing argument, since I thought they apparently used almost all of the same tactics I've deployed against them, due to them ignoring the veracity of my statements and dismissing them as "not persuasive". DaRealPrinceZuko (talk) 05:02, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
DaRealPrinceZuko, not persuasive is an apt two word summary, and I am a big fan of brief and to-the-point discussions. Here are two more words: respect consensus. Cullen328 (talk) 06:04, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
Do you mind explaining how the opposing users were respecting consensus? I provided analogies to the term we were discussing that are greater than Donald Albury's analogies, considering that I was referring to another racial group and he was referring to a disadvantaged status of a working class, which, to me, does not remotely tie in with ethnic terminology. DaRealPrinceZuko (talk) 07:37, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
DaRealPrinceZuko, you have been unable to persuade the other editors and therefore consensus is against you. Cullen328 (talk) 16:45, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
How does that give their arguments any credence whatsoever? They did not address why my argument did not persuade them in any way aside from them simply expressing their disapproval and nothing more. They should have explained why my argument was ineffective and why their arguments were stronger. DaRealPrinceZuko (talk) 19:51, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
That is not how consensus works, User:DaRealPrinceZuko. No editor is required to satisfy the demands of another editor in a conversation. Continuously asking people to refute individual points of argument is called WP:SEALIONing in Wikipedia parlance, and is universally considered tedious and unwelcome. Folly Mox (talk) 20:01, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
Is there any policy that suggests that refusing to engage and repeating the same talking points constantly does not validate anyone's argument? How does just saying that an argument is not persuasive constitute a counterargument that validates opposing viewpoints? Like I said before, these users were tone policing my arguments. Is there any policy against tone policing other users? DaRealPrinceZuko (talk) 20:21, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
The problem here is that multiple users disagree with you. The onus is on you to either convince them or enough other editors to form a consensus. Simple as that. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 20:24, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
DaRealPrinceZuko, you are venturing into the realm of disruptive editing. I recommend that you drop this matter and move on. Cullen328 (talk) 20:26, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
How is this disruptive editing? DaRealPrinceZuko (talk) 20:33, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

This conversation is over. Please do not post anything else here, DaRealPrinceZuko. Cullen328 (talk) 20:35, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Cite Pages Or Not

I am beginning to write a biography of Vesna Goldsworthy for use in her article. For the first 26 years of her life she lived in Serbia. I do not believe there are any primary sources for that period, but Goldsworthy wrote a memoir that is useful for reconstructing her life[1]. The edition cited is the 10th Anniversary Edition of the book, and the one availsble for purchase today. If I cite the book, I can reuse the citation multiple times. As I understand it, if I cite a page for each fact I will end up with a long list of citations referring to different pages of a single work. I would like to avoid that. Is it necessary to cite a page for each fact? I did not see this discussed in WP:BLP.Oldsilenus (talk) 21:31, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Oldsilenus. You can avoid this problem by using named references. You fully define a reference just once, and can invoke it repeatedly by using a small snippet of code that includes the name of the reference. See WP:REFNAME. Page numbers can be added in a parenthetical note after each use of the reference. As for use of the memoir, please be cautious and follow the restrictions described at WP:ABOUTSELF. Cullen328 (talk) 00:40, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
Oldsilenus, if you use named refs, just add an {{rp|p=page(s)}} right after. So, your wikicode might look like this:
  • Vesna was born.<ref name="Goldsworthy-2015">{{cite book |last=Goldsworthy |first=Vesna |author-link= |date=2015 |title=Chernobyl Strawberries |url= |location=London, UK |publisher=Wilmington Square Books |isbn=978-1-908524-47-8}}</ref>{{rp|1}} She is Serbian,<ref name="Goldsworthy-2015" />{{rp|p=7}} and lives in Belgrade.<ref name="Goldsworthy-2015" />{{rp|p=117}}
which will result in the following:
  • Vesna was born.[2]: 1  She is Serbian,[2]: 7  and lives in Belgrade.[2]: 117 
Hope this helps. Mathglot (talk) 06:35, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Goldsworthy, Vesna (2015). Chernobyl Strawberries. London, UK: Wilmington Square Books. ISBN 978-1-908524-47-8.
  2. ^ a b c Goldsworthy, Vesna (2015). Chernobyl Strawberries. London, UK: Wilmington Square Books. ISBN 978-1-908524-47-8.

As usual: Thanks! I knew about naming references, but not the trick of adding page numbers to decrease the number of reference lines. I am very sensitive about WP:ABOUTSELF and will limit what I quote. Vesna Goldsworthy has a university page which I assume is reviewed by the university for accuracy.[1] Nevertheless, I will use caution referencing this also. For an example of how not to proceed, use Google translate or Edge to translate her Serbian Wikipedia page.[2] Yes, I do know how to add Cyrillic characters, but it is time consuming because I do not speak Serbian (See the Wiki text of this reply).

References

  1. ^ "Vesna Goldsworthy Staff Page".
  2. ^ "Vesna Goldsvorty". 
Oldsilenus (talk) 14:48, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – September 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2023).

Guideline and policy news

  • Following an RfC, TFAs will be automatically semi-protected the day before it is on the main page and through the day after.
  • A discussion at WP:VPP about revision deletion and oversight for dead names found that [s]ysops can choose to use revdel if, in their view, it's the right tool for this situation, and they need not default to oversight. But oversight could well be right where there's a particularly high risk to the person. Use your judgment.

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Arbitration

  • The SmallCat dispute case has closed. As part of the final decision, editors participating in XfD have been reminded to be careful about forming local consensus which may or may not reflect the broader community consensus. Regular closers of XfD forums were also encouraged to note when broader community discussion, or changes to policies and guidelines, would be helpful.

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R. Duane Ireland

Hey @Cullen328, not sure if you noticed the WP:DE(edit war?) or if it is important now, but 2-3 experienced editors are involved in it on R. Duane Ireland over the past 3 months. Just bringing this up. Jeraxmoira (talk) 05:24, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Jeraxmoira, I think that this is a case of the subject of a biography of a living person having legitimate concerns about the accuracy of the Wikipedia article about them. They have raised three specific points of fact, and it turns out that the assertions were either unreferenced or unsupported by the reference given. I expect that this situation will stabilize, but if you see ongoing disruption, please let me know. Cullen328 (talk) 07:53, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Wanted to say hi

Hi. I hope you are doing well. :) Cwater1 (talk) 14:11, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

I am doing fine, Cwater1, and I hope that you are as well. Cullen328 (talk) 17:03, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
I am too. Cwater1 (talk) 17:26, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Question from Islalikesdolphins (06:38, 6 September 2023)

how do i create an article --Islalikesdolphins (talk) 06:38, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Islalikesdolphins. Spend several weeks or a month or two improving existing articles about topics that interest you, studying Wikipedia's Policies and guidelines as you edit. Read Wikipedia:Writing Wikipedia articles backward until you fully realize what most new editors don't: Gathering up a list of references to reliable, independent sources that devote significant coverage to the topic of your planned article is by far the most important step in writing an acceptable Wikipedia article. Writing the article consists of accurately summarizing those sources. Everything else is secondary and trivial by comparison. Then, read Your first article. Cullen328 (talk) 08:13, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Question from Infosky-solutions (05:32, 8 September 2023)

hi sir, I want to add the https://www.jkcprl.ac.in/ website in a page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purulia_district) which is situated in Purulia district. what is the best process and where can I place it properly --Infosky-solutions (talk) 05:32, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Infosky-solutions. I do not see a section about educational institutions in Purulia district. If you want to create such a section. then you need to include all of the major educational institutions of that district, not just this one. Be sure that you reference your content properly. Cullen328 (talk) 06:42, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Is There as Solution for This?

I added a reference to the Vesna Goldsworthy article from the English publisher Salt Publishing url http://blog.saltpublishing.com/2011/02/08/crashawprize-the-shortlist-in-profile-vesna-goldsworthy/ . A bot removed the the reference tag (but left the page address) since "blog" was used in the URL. Salt publishing is in charge of judging the Crashaw Prize. This page seems to me to be more of a press release than the usual blog post. May it be used as a Wikipedia reference, and if so, how may it be protected against bot removal? Thanks. Oldsilenus (talk) 15:52, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Oldsilenus. The URL you provided does not work for me. Did she actually win the Crashaw Prize, or was she just on the shortlist? Is the Crashaw Prize still awarded? I cannot find any recent news about it. How prestigious is this award? Do entrants have to pay fees to participate? At this point, I remain unconvinced that this prize is worthy of mention. As for the specific technical problem, try asking at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). Cullen328 (talk) 17:52, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

I agree that there is somethinng strange here. The link: "Crawshaw Prize short list". saltpublishing.com. February 8, 2011. Retrieved September 8, 2023. created with the {{cite web}} template does work. She did win the prize. I did not add the prize to her lead section, someone else did. There is no entry fee. The Salt publishing website is "Salt Publishing". saltpublishing.com. Retrieved September 8, 2023. This prize is awarded in the UK and I am hard pressed to state its importance. I can e-mail Salt Publishing and check its current status. It would be dangerous to ask about its importance, but the author of the Richard Crashaw article thought it important enough to add to it his entry (see the legacy section). I usually dislike changing other editors work, but I could certainly remove the reference from the lead secton and add it to her biography. Would you like me to do that? The biography is being written and will have to be reviewed when it is completed. Oldsilenus (talk) 19:26, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Oldsilenus, I believe that the Crashaw Prize is defunct and non-notable. I see no solid evidence that Goldsworthy actually won the prize, rather than being on the shortlist. I recommend deleting mention of it from both articles. Cullen328 (talk) 23:11, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Question from Scoophole2021

Hi, can you block 139.192.15.154? Because it vandalizes articles. For example, it replaces Stanley's theme song with another show's theme songs and often inserting LTBIA into everything P/ K/ L. inc (talk) 03:07, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for that report, Scoophole2021. I have blocked that IP. Cullen328 (talk) 03:26, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks

First and foremost, I would like to thank you for your true words. DareshMohan (talk) 18:41, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

You are welcome. It is unpleasant when a bad person tries to impersonate you. I wish you well. Cullen328 (talk) 18:48, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
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