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Discord

Hi Irynaharpy,

I have created a Wikipedia Discord server for chat and talking about Wikipedia. Hiow can I let people know?

If you know how to, an invite code is https://discord.gg/z7d5R2e

Thanks,

Dylan Cricketer993 (talk) 02:19, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Dylan. I honestly don't know the niceties surrounding creating forums of this nature as projects of a similar nature (i.e., Wikipediocracy) already exist. It may be best for you to ask at the Administrators' noticeboard (on the talk page, as linked here). There are admins and regular users with more knowledge of the ins and outs of creating such a forum than do I. Good luck, and happy editing!

Question - how best to resolve a mass deletion dispute?

Hi Iryna,

If you don't mind my asking, there is a dispute going on at the Environmental racism in Europe article. A user has rather aggressively claimed that the entire article is biased, and has proceeded to delete large sections of it (61,000 bytes) on the claim that the material is a coatrack. They have answered my attempts to address legitimate neutrality questions (which I am always open to discussing on less hostile terms) with numerous demands to answer questions that, for the most part, would normally be answered in Wikipedia guidelines (which I have shared).

Not quite sure how to move forward (as it could be considered a legitimate content dispute), I decided to submit a request for a Third Opinion. But I'm not sure if that's the correct approach for this type of dispute. Seeing as you've helped review this article previously, I felt it appropriate to ask if you have any thoughts.

Lastly, the main neutrality issue concerns the identification of instances where race and environmental issues relate, but aren't explicitly described in sources as "environmental racism." The user claims that sources for each respective case must directly use the term "environmental racism" in order to be included in the article. The user also claims that the article has few or no valid sources. I mentioned a possible name change of the article to "Environmental issues and race in Europe" as a potential means to address the neutrality concern, which would avoid use of the term "environmental racism"; this is something I had been thinking about prior to the dispute, and am generally happy to consider if there was a broader community consensus. I also suggested that I was open to using any potential academic / reliable sources that might argue against the notion of environmental racism, as a means to further balance the article. These responses were received with additional threats to continue content removal and a demand that I wasn't answering the user's questions.

Thanks! [PS--I also realized that in our previous conversations, I had totally overlooked your note at the top of your talk page explaining which user talk pages to post on. I will follow the preferred convention from now on :)

Sturgeontransformer (talk) 21:47, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

@Sturgeontransformer: You could, of course, discuss the issues raised on the appropriate talk-page, introduce sources (ones that actually mention "environmental racism", preferably), and maybe even admit that some of the deletions by your esteemed opponent are entirely legitimate. Instead, you templated the user in question for disruptive editing, called her edits 'possible vandalism', flat-out refused to discuss anything and now call her 'aggressive' to boot. I'm guessing you're not used to being contradicted.
"the main neutrality issue concerns the identification of instances where race and environmental issues relate, but aren't explicitly described in sources as environmental racism."
That's kind of a demand. Wikipedians are expected to "Neutrally summarize reliable sources". They are not expected to provide their own interpretations on a given subject (WP:OR). If sources do not use the term "environmental racism", perhaps that's because it isn't. It's not a neutrality issue, it's a WP:V/WP:RS issue. Kleuske (talk) 11:24, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Ways to improve Italy and the colonization of the Americas

Hi, I'm Cwmhiraeth. Iryna Harpy, thanks for creating Italy and the colonization of the Americas!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. I have reviewed this article and it is not clear to me whether it is a copyvio of this page or not. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:05, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse.

Hi, Cwmhiraeth. I'm not actually the 'author' of the article per se. There have been a number of merges, splits, re-merges, and WP:TITLE issues. Essentially, while I believe that the Thornton expedition merits an article unto itself, "Italy and the colonization of the Americas", it was a sequence of edits from this edit to this edit that left it looking as if I'd created the article. I've responded to the potential copyvio issue where you pinged me, but I actually believe the article to be WP:SYNTH. Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:14, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
Having found the similarities while New Page Patrolling, I felt bound to do something. The Golden Age of Piracy claims the copyright of its material from 2013-2017. If the Wikipedia text precedes that, Wikipedia should be OK. I thought it beyond my competence to investigate the matter fully. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:16, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Russian military intervention in Ukraine (2014–present) - Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion

Please see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Dasuprmastr reported by User:Toddy1 (Result: ). Your name is mentioned because the user in question reverted an edit by you.-- Toddy1 (talk) 20:40, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Toddy1. We'll see what Neil makes of it. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:51, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy Holidays


Poeticbent talk is wishing you Seasons Greetings, Iryna Harpy!
Always a pleasure to work in a great team! — 03:32, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Poeticbent. Wishing you the same. Thank you, also, for being part of a great team of editors who work so hard on this invaluable project year after year! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:58, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas Iryna Harpy!!


Hi Iryna Harpy, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year,
Thanks for all your help and contributions on the 'pedia! ,
   –Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 13:40, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Davey2010! Wishing you and yours the same. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 19:46, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy Christmas

I wish you a Happy Christmas.

Jerzy
Bardzo dziękuję, Jerzy! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 19:52, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Seasons' Greetings

...to you and yours, from the Great White North! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:05, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks, Bzuk. Wishing you - and yours - a wonderful festive season, and a happy, prosperous 2018!

Thinking of you

I'm so sorry to learn that you are experiencing some health issues. I hope you feel better soon and are back to full health as soon as possible. Here are some images for you:

  • Fuchsia "Twinny", Netherlands
    Fuchsia "Twinny", Netherlands
  • Rosa Borbonica. Photo by Hubertl.
    Rosa Borbonica. Photo by Hubertl.
  • Dendrobium primulinum. Photo by C T Johansson.
    Dendrobium primulinum. Photo by C T Johansson.
  • Petunia Hybrida. Photo by Fanghong.
    Petunia Hybrida. Photo by Fanghong.
  • Hollyhock. Photo by MJJR.
    Hollyhock. Photo by MJJR.
  • Japanese water garden in Koukoen, Himeji, Hyogo prefecture, Japan. Photo by 663highland.
    Japanese water garden in Koukoen, Himeji, Hyogo prefecture, Japan. Photo by 663highland.
  • Japanese tea garden in San Francisco. Photo by Snty-tact.
    Japanese tea garden in San Francisco. Photo by Snty-tact.
  • Botanical garden in Nantes, France. Photo by Rosier.
    Botanical garden in Nantes, France. Photo by Rosier.
  • Cabin at Lake Tahoe, California. Photo Inkknife 2000.
    Cabin at Lake Tahoe, California. Photo Inkknife 2000.
  • Evening bluebells, Banstead Woods. Photo by Allen Watkin.
    Evening bluebells, Banstead Woods. Photo by Allen Watkin.
  • Island rainbow, Bass Island, Lake George, New York. Photo by Henry Schmitt.
    Island rainbow, Bass Island, Lake George, New York. Photo by Henry Schmitt.
  • Morning mist on Brantingham Lake, Adirondack Mountains, New York. Photo by pstark1.
    Morning mist on Brantingham Lake, Adirondack Mountains, New York. Photo by pstark1.
  • Indian Head Lookout on Lower AuSable Lake in the Adirondack High Peaks. Photo by Sammetsfan.
    Indian Head Lookout on Lower AuSable Lake in the Adirondack High Peaks. Photo by Sammetsfan.

 – Corinne (talk) 18:06, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

@Corinne: Thank you so much. What a lovely array of views! Very soothing. I'm feeling very positive, and know I'll be back to full form soon (it takes a while for chemo-brain to dissipate, but mine will dissipate). I'm still raring to go on any questions or third opinions... just a little slower to respond due to being aware of needing to be more cautious as to responses in case I misunderstand the context initially. A Happy New Year to you! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:20, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

removed change to an article, Greek Australian

Dear Iryna, would you accept the following link an acceptable reference for including my late Uncle as a noteworthy Greek Australian musician?

http://www.countrymusichalloffame.com.au/Hands/Xanthos_George.html

George Hobbs — Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgehobbs (talk • contribs) 09:09, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Georgehobbs. I know it's harsh, but according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines we need a reliable source stating that he was of Greek descent. Yes, the surname, Xanthos, is obviously Greek, but we need something stating his Greek background to be a fact. Do you have any other sources attesting to it? --Iryna Harpy (talk) 19:29, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
George Xanthos - http://www.musicminder.com/scripts/entertainers/entertainerbiography.asp?ID=6033 is stated here as Greek — Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgehobbs (talk • contribs) 12:37, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
@Georgehobbs: Unfortunately, the musicminder site is both a self published source/user generated source, plus a promotional site at that. Please read Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources and Wikipedia:Verifiability to gain a better understanding of the requisite qualifications. Wikipedia:Notability (music) will provide you with further insight into specifics. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:39, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Ms Harpy, my effort to add to Wikipedia is exhausted. Finding a citable reference that my uncle Xanthos was of Greek descent is the obstruction. Keep up the good work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgehobbs (talk • contribs) 11:50, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

@Georgehobbs: I'm sorry that the policies can be so restrictive. Had he been a contemporary musician, I have no doubt that there would be a multitude of reliable sources attesting to his ethnicity. The Hawking Brothers were a high profile group in Australia, but the lack of online sources makes it difficult to establish (even if it's self-evident). Do you have any printed literature establishing him as being Greek Australian (industry magazines, etc.)? --Iryna Harpy (talk) 19:11, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

There is a dilemma in Wikipedia referencing here. What is notable ( he was an important musican) is citable but what is mundane (he had greek parents) cannot, preventing a Wikipedia listing for the notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgehobbs (talk • contribs) 06:18, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

@Georgehobbs: Yes, it's prohibitive. I'm going to earmark this thread and bring it up on the music/musicians board when I'm in better form. I doubt that it will be accepted on face value, but it would be interesting to go through archived discussions there, and to start a new thread on the subject of how common knowledge is treated for that particular area of Wikipedia. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:28, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Technical help?

Iryna,

Do you know of a page, or other resource, for solving technical editing issues? I live in a town split between 2 counties. Somebody added some county info for one of the towns in the infobox, but it won't let me add the second county. Who/where would I ask about this? Paulmlieberman (talk) 19:32, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Paulmlieberman. I assume the parameters don't allow for more than one country, so I'd say the Village pump technical board would be the best place. If you're having problems with another editor over the issue, do let me know which article it is. I don't know whether the other editor doesn't know the town is split, or whether they're being intentionally disruptive. I would have thought that a '''<br>''' usually allows for cases where there is no single response to a parameter. (Oh, and a Happy New Year to you!). --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:09, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Well, actually, it turns out there is a way to show two counties. He (a prolific editor with the delightfully odd handle "Illegitimate Barrister") has resolved it to our satisfaction. But a question remains: these little tiny images of flags are .svg files, but when I looked in WikiCommons, I only see gifs: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Queen_Anne%27s_County,_Maryland.gif. I guess I should ask techpump about that, huh? BTW, I sincerely hope your health improves soon! Paulmlieberman (talk) 15:11, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the good wishes, Paulmlieberman. I know svg. images are preferred, but .jpg and .gif files are still used where there are no .svg versions as yet. From my recollection, there was a project involving a number of Commons editors working on updating files to the preferred format. You might ask whether they're still actively working on this at the Commons technical pump and put in a request for updating. I'm pleased to hear that the issue has been resolved. Yes, I've encountered Illegitimate Barrister. S/he is a "good egg". --Iryna Harpy (talk) 18:26, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Peter Kenez

Hi, Iryna. I understand your removal of my addition to the article on Peter Kenez if the reference I added doesn't in fact verify his place of birth. I honestly thought it did (perhaps at a deeper level within that reference), but I must have been mistaken. Professor Kenez was, however, certainly born in Hungary and lived there until 1956 (he still has his Hungarian accent!), and he writes about his early life and education in Budapest in his book "Varieties of fear: growing up Jewish under Nazism and Communism". I just need to find better references. Mea culpa! -- Picapica (talk) 20:01, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Picapica. Not a problem. It's an easy mistake to make. I don't doubt his ethnicity, etc., but you'd be well aware of the importance of sourcing for WP:BLP's. I'm sure there are other sources attesting to the veracity of your content additions. Happy editing! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:04, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Untitled

You undid my carefully-considered and even though I say it myself excellent edits over several hours on the Flemish People page. I'm wondering why you did that? I live in Flanders and thus have an almost-unequalled hands-on experience of living in Flanders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1811:429:F200:BC55:747E:2ABC:175E (talk) 21:25, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

There's no point in leaving a message on your talk page as you have been IP hopping +appear to be working from a dynamic IP currently.
- Firstly, your WP:PPOV is irrelevant (i.e., "Source: I actually live in Flanders" is not a reliable source). Wikipedia articles are based on reliable sources, not what any user believes to be the 'truth'. Aside from your (rather arrogant) missive as to how living in a country making you a specialist, leaving edit summaries like this and this are personal attacks which have no place in Wikipedia. Comment on content, not the contributor, and don't be derisive of an experienced editor's abilities based on some sort of assumption that health issues mean that I'm stupid. You didn't even bother to check my user page which makes it clear that I live in Australia, not Ukraine. That reflects badly on you as it demonstrates that you haven't bothered to understand the content of my user page. Please desist from being high-handed in your approach to editors as you reverted another editor over the same content declaring that you know the subject matter because you live in Flanders. I live in Australia, and am of Ukrainian descent: neither of which make me an expert on those countries. Take your proposed content changes - along with reliable, verifiable sources to back up your contentions - to the article's talk page as you have been asked to do.
- Secondly, I recommend that you create an account if you are unable to use a static IP address in order that editors have a means of communicating with you. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:28, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Ukrainian Insurgent Army

Are you sure that 70.79.149.167 is not another sock of Thegoodmanisamazing?? The Banner talk 20:43, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

@The Banner: Looking at the edits, I certainly wouldn't discount it. It's probably worth reporting as the IP has been blocked before... and before said editor created an account. I'm about to log out for the day, so would you like to do the honours? Ping me from the SPI and I'll chime in as soon as I can. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:28, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
Already blocked for three months for disruptive editing... The Banner talk 21:34, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
@The Banner: Yep. If s/he starts again after the 3 months, I'll take it straight to SPI before it goes stale. I have a feeling that this user will be back sooner using another IP, so I'll keep my eye out for similar behaviour. Keep up the great work! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:40, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Special Barnstar
Your an awesome wiki editor you deserve this medal of appreciation. :) Hope you have a wonderful day :) Mega Fixer Lee (talk) 00:42, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
Known sock. Keeping for personal reference: disruptive behaviour. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 17:18, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

There are no orthodox countries in Central Europe

Culturally, both islam and the semi-asian orthodox countries were traditionally west-hater civilizations.

THE WESTERN (Catholic-protestant) WORLD is depicted in dark blue on the map of prof. S. Huntington: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Clash_of_Civilizations_map.png

What is Western Civilization? The earliest mention of Western civilization “Occidental civilis”


It is not a secret in history, that countries civilizations are/were not in the same level of development. It is well-known that Western and Central Europe, ( the so-called Western civilization) was always more developed than Orthodox Slavic or Eastern European civilization. The differences in culture (material and verbal), legal constitutional, societal, political, economical, infrastructural, technological and scientific development, between Orthodox countries and Western Christian (Catholic-Protestant) countries were similar great, as the differences between Northern America (USA Canada) and Southern- (Latino) America.


MEMENTO: Western things which were not existed in orthodox world:


1. POLITICAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL development: Medieval appearance of parliaments (The parliament is a legislative body(!), DO NOT CONFUSE with the “councils of monarchs” which existed since the very beginnings of human history), the estates of the realm, the clergy, the nobility, and the commoners,

2. Local SELF GOVERNMENT status of big royal/imperial cities, which are the direct ancestors (the continuity) of modern local self governmental systems. Do not confuse the local self governments with the so-called city states. Sovereign city states were the earliest form of states in Human history ( For example: Sumerian city states), and that legal concept has nothing common with the self-governments/local governments of cities within a country or within an Empire.

3. ECONOMY: The medieval appearance of banking systems and social effects and status of urban bourgeoisie, the absolute dominance of money-economy (when the vast majority of trade based on money and the taxes customs duties were collected in money) from the 12th -13th century, instead of the former primitive bartel-based commerce (barter dominated the economies orthodox world until the 17-18th centuries.)

4. HIGHER EDUCATION: The medieval appearance of universities and the medieval appearance of SECULAR intellectuals,

5. CULTURE: Knights, the knight-culture, chivalric code, (and the technological effects of crusades from the Holy Land,) Music and literature: courtly love, troubadours, Gregorian chant, Ars nova, Organum, Motet, Madrigal, Canon and Ballata, Liturgical drama, Novellas, medieval western THEATER: Mystery or cycle plays, morality and passion plays, which developed into the renaissance theater, the direct ancestor of modern theaters. Philosophy: Scholasticism and humanist philosophy

6. The medieval usage of Latin alphabet and medieval spread of movable type printing,

7. TECHNOLOGY: The guild system is an association of artisans or merchants, which organized the training education, and directed master's exam system for artisians. Due to the compulsory foreign studies of the artisian master's candidates, the guilds played key role in the fast spread of technologies and industrial knowledge in the medieval Western World.

8. The defence systems & fortifications: The spread of stone/brick castle defense -systems, the town-walls of western cities from the 11th century. (In the orthodox world, only the capital cities had such a walls . The countries of the Balkan region and the territory of Russian states fell under Ottoman/Mongolian rule very rapidly - with a single decesive open-field battle - due to the lack of the networks of stone/brick castles and fortresses in these countries. The only exception was the greek inhabited Byzantine territories which were well fortified.)

9. FINEARTS and ARCHITECTURE: western architecture, sculpture paintings and fine-arts: the Romanesque style, the Gothic style and the Renaissance style. The orthodox church buildings and „palaces(?)” were very little, they had primitive structure and poor decorations, their style were influenced by oriental non-European arabic, persian and Syrian influenced Byzantine ornamentics.

10.The renaissance & humanism , the reformation and the enlightenment did not influenced/affected the Orthodox (Eastern European) countries.

11. Before 1870, the industrialization that had developed in Western and Central Europe and the United States did not extend in any significant way to the rest of the world. In Eastern Europe, industrialization lagged far behind, and started only in the 20th century. Their infrastructural and economic development was also very very slow, and many determinant factors of modern civilization - as we called them as civilized way of life - (railways, the electrification of cities, drain & sewer systems, water pipe systems, spread of tap water and bathrooms, telecommuncations etc... spread many-many decades (60-80 years) later.

It is no wonder that their contribution in science technology and innovations are completely negligible in Human history by the WESTERN standards.--Filederchest (talk) 14:41, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

User left variations on the theme (pretty OTT WP:SOAP) on Talk:East-Central Europe. Retain for reference. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 17:30, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

German Occupied Poland

I acknowledging your message but you are absolutely wrong. Poland wasn’t occupied by some obscure Nazis. Poland was occupied by the Third Reich and from 1943 by the Greater German Reich or you could shorten it to Nazi Germany. Please don't exercise your senior editor standing to bully junior editors. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.79.149.167 (talk) 21:02, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Well, too late as you've been blocked for a few months. As I also noted on your talk page, appropriate and inappropriate usage of 'Germany' vs 'Nazi Germany' (or a more appropriate term, if deemed appropriate by consensus) should be taken to the talk pages of the relevant articles instead of resorting to WP:BATTLEGROUND behaviour, which is why we follow WP:BRD instead of edit warring content changes. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:36, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Assar Lindbeck

Dear Irina, please revert the category edit on Assar Lindbeck so that it includes my edit. Please think before you revert things: one look at the content of Assar Lindbeck shows that there cannot be any question about including him in "Category:Labor economists" as he is the founder of the insider-outsider theory of employment (together with Dennis Snower), i.e. a major explanation for structural unemployment. If you need further evidence, just go to https://ideas.repec.org/top/top.lab.html#authors - a ranking of the top 10% of labor economists - and you will see that Assar Lindbeck is included in the list. Thank you very much in advance. --Arbraxan (talk) 21:08, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Arbraxan. The primary problem with your source is whether it is considered to be a reliable source or not. Within the context, it may well be. Could I suggest that you take it to the WP:RSN (Reliable Sources Noticeboard), point out the source, and explain which article you wish to use it for. If it weren't a biography of a living person, I'd (personally) accept it as being a sound source. The problem lies with the fact that the article itself isn't properly sourced, and that his notability isn't really established. Adding him to more specific categories than those he's currently included in is a bit like putting the cart before the horse. Feel free to ping me from the new thread you start as I think the link would be useful for working into the content (thus making a stronger case for notability) if it's considered acceptable. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:18, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
Hello Iryna, a couple of links to show who Assar Lindbeck is: Academy of Europe, CambridgeCore, Research Institute of Industrial Economics. All of his major works predate the Internet era, AFAIK, making finding online sources difficult, but he's definitely very well known, and very influential, within his own field... - Tom | Thomas.W talk 23:45, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
He's also notable enough to have an article on several different language versions of Wikipedia, not only the Swedish and English WP, but also the German, Russian, Spanish, Italian, French and, Polish ones. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 23:54, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
@Thomas.W and Arbraxan: Okay, having taken a quick look at the articles in other Wikipedias, I note that the German, Spanish, and French entries are not simple regurgitations of the English language Wikipedia article and seem to have some good references in languages other than English. I'd say that it'd be worth integrating these references per WP:NONENG in order to tighten up the article and get rid of the tags as they're addressed. It seems that it's about time Lindbeck gets the credit he's due as being notable. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:39, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

I have a Neutral Point of View

Smirnov and the other Guys were backed by the local People of the Regions. And acutally the Point that the Donbass Peoples Republics and Transnistria are Puppet States is only the View of some Journalists who have no proofs anyway so I decided to formulate the sentences neutrally.--Janos Hajnal (talk) 19:21, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

The Signpost: 20 February 2018

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Vandalism at List of countries with overseas military bases

We’re experencing vandalism at List of countries with overseas military bases. Protecting the page might be a good idea. Garuda28 (talk) 04:30, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Garuda28. I've just reverted the latest WP:SPA account edit warring, and have applied for semi-protection. Until it's (hopefully) implemented, we're stuck with reverting. Cheers for the heads up! I was waiting for one more such incident before I applied for page protection. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:18, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello Iryna!

Hello Iryna! I came to know about the serious illness just now. I hope you'll be back in health soon, and I am sure you will!--Wddan (talk) 18:31, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Wddan. Thank you for your kind message! I've only just finished months of treatment, and the treatment is more traumatic on the body than the level of the illness at that stage: so its recovery from those effects that take the most time. I'm feeling positive in myself, and have no doubt I'll be back to fighting fit form soon enough. You can't keep a good Slav down! Happy editing, and hoping that all is well with you and yours. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 18:39, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Revert on European Canadians

I did so because I was reverting an earlier disruptive edit of an anonymous user who had randomly inserted numbers that did not correspond to those in the source. Just because I am editing from an IP does not mean I am a vandal. 193.52.24.8 (talk) 22:41, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

That's fine, IP 193.52.24.8. I was not accusing you of vandalism: the template I used on your talk page is a generic one indicating that you'd removed existing text without leaving any form of explanation. Please read up on edit summaries. I have no qualms about constructive IP editor (who are often far more productive than those who have created an account). Providing some form of information allows other editors with hundreds of articles on their watchlist to comprehend why content was removed. That said, I'm self-reverting in order that you edit stand. Thank you for your diligence, and happy editing! If you ever need assistance, please feel free to leave a message here, or ping me from the relevant talk page. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:35, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

List of countries with overseas military bases

Hey, can you take a look at the current edit conflicts on List of countries with overseas military bases. I'm only trying to maintain the status quo until discussion is finished, but could use your help and advice. Garuda28 (talk) 20:22, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

@Garuda28: Apologies for taking so long to get back to you, but I haven't had the opportunity to do much work on Wikipedia over the last couple of weeks. It's been a problematic list article for ages. I probably have fairly stringent views on what is relevant... and the converse. What it comes down to is getting back to the fundamentals and establishing what constitutes an OS base: i.e., this means one sovereign state setting up a base with - or without - the agreement of another sovereign state where the base is established. I don't consider United Nations military bases with mixed forces coming in and out as belonging to such a list. Such bases are fodder for a separate, but related, list. If I don't get around to initiating a fresh discussion of the scope of the list soon, please do so and ping me. Maintaining the status quo is about the best we can do for the moment, but it's certainly high time the encyclopaedic nature of the list were examined again. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:15, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Ukrainian Insurgent Army

Are you sure that 70.79.149.167 is not another sock of Thegoodmanisamazing?? The Banner talk 20:43, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

@The Banner: Looking at the edits, I certainly wouldn't discount it. It's probably worth reporting as the IP has been blocked before... and before said editor created an account. I'm about to log out for the day, so would you like to do the honours? Ping me from the SPI and I'll chime in as soon as I can. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:28, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
Already blocked for three months for disruptive editing... The Banner talk 21:34, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
@The Banner: Yep. If s/he starts again after the 3 months, I'll take it straight to SPI before it goes stale. I have a feeling that this user will be back sooner using another IP, so I'll keep my eye out for similar behaviour. Keep up the great work! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:40, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
This looks highly suspicious. not to mention the IPs. (protection already requested). The Banner talk 01:46, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
@The Banner: Yep. The username implies that they identify with the Zaporozhian Cossacks, but in an unfortunately nutter-nationalistic way. So far, they've only edited once from that account. I'm putting their user page on my watchlist in case it's a new sleeper for a blocked user. As regards UPA (the insurgent army) fighting the Nazis, it's correct (per Faustian's reintroduction). There must have been a ninja removal of this that went unchecked. There were certainly collaborators, but that was a smaller component in the OUN. Complicated but, in a nutshell, the whole region become a bastion of lawlessness from the word go. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:07, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

I will wait for the next IP to show up and continue the fight. By now the registered user and one of the IPs have reverted to ethnics slurs, in fact referring to a nationality I do not have. A handy give-away when going to SPI. The Banner talk 09:46, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Not sure how I got there...

...- I think it was via "what links here" at the wikilinked essay that was incorrectly labeled "controversial", and that's why I removed the misinformation. I suppose if the page was no longer accessible, it wouldn't matter. What made you revert if it's a failed proposal? Atsme📞📧 01:01, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Atsme. Pleased to meet you. Essentially, you were uninvolved in the proposal, and such discussion are left to stand as they were as an historical record. Following the principle of WP:TPO, changing text written by an editor other than yourself on an old proposal tilts towards being a bit beyond best practice. It was written as being 'controversial', ergo it should remain as such. Essays are only that: they're not policies or guidelines, ergo there is nothing controversial about the use of the word in context.
I see that you're an excellent and constructive editor, but there are limits to the extent to which we should tamper with talk pages and pages dealing with the construction of a proposed policy. I hope that makes sense to you. Keep up your good work, and happy editing! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:54, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the kind words, Iryna. It was the "get the article right 3:D" that made me do it. I understand and will comply with your reasoning. Atsme📞📧 18:52, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
Not a problem, Atsme. I'm not even going to pretend that I haven't gotten carried away with clean-ups myself. Stuff happens... Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 18:56, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Racism in the USSR

Some Sections of the Article are really useless. The Section about Armenians and Azerbaijanis is accurate but those about Ukrainians has to be corrected because the Holodomor was a Result of Stalins Incompetence and not of Racism.--Janos Hajnal (talk) 11:24, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

The Holodomor was a deliberate act of policy.--Toddy1 (talk) 11:58, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
No actually the so-called Holodomor which was only a part of a famine that took place in many Republics and Regions of the USSR was not intended and was a Result of a mutual interaction process of a brutal and ruthless Policy of Turbo-Industrialization and forced Collectivization, ideological trimmed economic-political unreasonableness and weather-related crop failures. There was only a dolus eventualis of the Stalinist Regime. And even if the Holodmor was a deliberate act there was no motive to annihilate Ukrainians.--Janos Hajnal (talk) 17:24, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
I attended a lecture by Anne Applebaum who has done archival research on the policy reasons for this. Perhaps you should read her book Red Famine: Stalin's War on Ukraine.-- Toddy1 (talk) 17:36, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
Swiss Historian and Expert for Ukrainian History Andreas Kappeler rejects the Thesis that the so-called Holodomor was a Genocide.--Janos Hajnal (talk) 20:21, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
A) Andreas Kappeler is merely one contemporary historian who does not represent the mainstream scholarly opinion on the Holodomor as genocide. This is a subject that has been edit warred over for years and is subject to discretionary sanctions regarding Eastern Europe in general. I realise that you are an inexperienced editor, Janos Hajnal, so I'm still assuming good faith on your behalf as you have evidently haven't read the copious discussions on multiple articles regarding Holodomor. Wikipedia is not interested in what any one editor believes to be "the truth". No motive to annihilate Ukrainians, or no motive to annihilate Russified Ukrainians. I don't think you understand the complexity of how the scholarly community defines 'genocide'.
B) Suggestion offered in good faith: try doing some copious research into the subject using the multitude of globally recognised experts in the area before you attempt to delete reliably sourced content in any article on any given controversial subject, paying particular attention to the article's/articles' talk pages (including archived talk). -
You are wrong I understand the complexity of the topic and I think you just don't know the correct definition of the term genocide. And actually only a very small minority of Historians classify the Holodomor as a Genocide and a large part of them are Ukrainian Nationalists.--Janos Hajnal (talk) 15:47, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
President Putin says that the Holodomor was not genocide, because non-Ukrainians died as well. But if you accept that logic, the Holocaust was not genocide because they also killed gypsies, etc.-- Toddy1 (talk) 16:17, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
Firstly Putin who is not your and not my President is not the only one who rejects the Thesis that the Holodomor was a genocide. Im sure a lot of liberal Russian Oppositionists do it too for example. Secondly the term Holocaust is the exclusively name for the Genocide of European Jews committed by Nazi Germany and its allies and collaborators while the term Holodomor is the Ukrainian name for the Soviet famine of 1932-33 which took place in Ukraine. Ukraine was most badly affected by the famine because of its geo-ecological circumstances (Chernozem regions). Swiss Historian Andreas Kappeler refers to the lower Mortality Rates in Non-Chernozem Areas in Ukraine during the famine to account for his point that the Holodomor was not a Genocide.--Janos Hajnal (talk) 18:23, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
Allow me to make myself perfectly clear, Janos Hajnal: this is my Wikipedia talk page which I use for constructive discussions with other editors, not for WP:SOAP. I have nothing to discuss with someone who is reduced to absurdist propaganda such as "... are Ukrainian Nationalists" within moments. If you actually have a constructive argument to be tabled, take it to the appropriate article talk page. Your current 'arguments' are rhetoric and personal opinion, therefore are unacceptable for article talk pages according to policy and guidelines. Do not waste my time, your time, or anyone else's time with diatribe befitting a blog/forum. In simple terms, "Do not use the talk page as a forum or soapbox for discussing the topic: the talk page is for discussing how to improve the article, not vent your feelings about it." Thank you for your attention and consideration. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 18:47, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
I understand but I have to mention that my point on the Holodomor is not just my personal opinion but a conclusion based on historical facts.--Janos Hajnal (talk) 19:49, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Old East Slavic edit

Hello, Iryna. My edit was not a test, why should it be? "в Київі" is wrong, there is no such locative form for the word Київ. The locative form is Києві, as source number 8 in that article has - «Се повісті минулих літ звідки почалась Руська земля, хто в Києві перший став княжити і звідки Руська земля стала буть». You can also check a dictionary. I expect you will revert your edit; if not, I shall correct that word again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.4.72.39 (talk) 07:31, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, IP 189.4.72.39. You are 100% correct. Thank you for taking the time to courteously alert me to my own error. I must have been away with the fairies and misread/misidentified the change at a glance... there isn't even a 'є' in Russian. I've self-reverted and issued an apology to you, and a trout slap to myself in the edit summary. Keep up the diligent work. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 19:31, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Crocus

Crocus for you!

Best wishes JimRenge (talk) 14:30, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Sweet! Thank you, JimRenge. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 20:13, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

List of people from Ukraine

Вітаю, я помітив що ви часто правите "список людей з України", 1) а хіба не варто перейменувати ту статтю на список українців? 2)Можливо варто порозкидати портрети по статті, бо таке оформлення як зараз трохи дивне і не гарне. Якщо що можу написати це англійською. If you don't understand, I can write in english --Augustus-ua (talk) 21:29, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Thornton expedition (1608)

Even better, I think? (There was only one Thornton expedition, so I put in a technical move request to swap the two pages round.) твій, Narky Blert (talk) 01:14, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

@Narky Blert: Цілком погоджуюсь! Apologies for the tardy response. I split it off after it had been amalgamated into an OR article on the "Italian colonization of America/the Americas". Needless to say, it was misrepresenting Italian exploration and some minor early settlement as being parallel to Spanish, Portuguese, British (etc.) colonisation. Obviously, I didn't think out the date issue as being superfluous to the WP:TITLE. Thanks for sorting it! -Ірина. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:32, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject Ukraine

Hey, I see that you are interested about Ukraine. Do you join the WikiProject Ukraine?--Respublika Narodnaya (talk) 16:32, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

List of Destroyed Heritage

Hey User:Iryna Harpy, I posted a question for you on the talk page of the List of Destroyed Heritage under the New Orleans section. Let me know what you think. ShawMuldoon (talk) 15:49, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Pointless Warning

I'm not using multiple IP Addresses to circumvent anything, so take your Ukrainophobic accusations elsewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.16.107.72 (talk) 07:02, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Note to self: See also IP 2601:191:8402:5F89:1491:7022:F272:D459 & IP 198.246.186.213. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:28, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Luhansk and Lugansk

Hello Iryna. I understand that you disagree with some of my (and Axxxion's) recent edits on Luhansk People's Republic. Is there any way we could discuss the changes on the talk page of the article? You left several rather unpleasant messages on my talk page, I think this is rather uncalled for. Thanks, Heptor talk 22:34, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Heptor. My apologies if my communications have come across as being brusque. I recall that you'd worked on some of the articles surrounding the "Ukrainian crisis" at the height of events, and that we'd attempted to start a couple of civilised discussions regarding NPOV content, only to be drowned out by the dog fights dominating the proceedings (along with the plethora of blocks, TBANs, and general POV jostling that hot topics attract). I'm more than happy to discuss content on the relevant talk pages of articles. I've responded on the LPR talk page.
As a matter of good faith, I would appreciate it if you did not ping other users in order to call them to my talk page. I prefer transparency of process and do not encourage 'in house' discussions here. Anything outside of peripheral matters of content should be discussed in the appropriate forum, being the article/s such discussions pertain to. Looking forward to future collaborative editing with you. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:25, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply, Iryna. The tensions on this topic are high, unfortunately. I'm sure you've seen a lot of uncivil behavior and there are justified suspicions of institutional meddling. The last time we also started off on the wrong foot, but we ended up making substantial improvements to the article we discussed.
I couldn't agree with you more about keeping the discussions of content on the article talk pages, for several good reasons including civility and transparency. May ask you for a token of good faith as well: if you no longer think that I edited the page maliciously, I would appreciate if you could leave a note to that effect on my talk page, perhaps even rescind the warning altogether. My talk page would look so much friendlier if you did. Best wishes, Heptor (talk) 13:32, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi, Heptor. To be honest, I didn't realise that the template used the term 'malicious'. I just added it as a third level warning for the month. I've struck it through with what is, I hope, an appropriate retraction note. Further to the article's content, I haven't felt well enough to review your latest changes, but will get to them as soon as I'm able. Cheers for now... and happy editing! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:43, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Thank you Iryna! I really wish you to get well soon, looking forward to more editing with you! Regards, Heptor (talk) 22:22, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Deleting content on talk pages

Irina Kharpi, in this edit, you arbitrarily deleted my commments and slandered me as someone who engages in advocacy and disruptive editing. Wikipedia article talk pages are for constructive discussion of article content, not for accusations against individuals. Are you trying to discourage comments about content from people whose views differ from your own? If you are not trying to discourage comments, please make this clear as soon as possible, by withdrawing the personal attacks you have made. 76.168.99.248 (talk) 04:44, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

There was absolutely nothing 'arbitrary' about reverting your 'commentary'. I've elaborated clearly in the edit summary, as well as in warnings I've left on your own talk page. You began your editing by personal attacks on editors, and keep returning to reintroduce up the same WP:FRINGE sources you've been pushing on both the article's talk page and trying to introduce into the article's content is WP:POINTy to say the least. I'm not going to leave yet another warning about incivility on your talk page, but my moniker is Iryna Harpy, not Irina Kharpi. I will give you the benefit of the doubt - despite your having pushed the limits on good faith - and work on the assumption that you have mistyped my user name... --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:11, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
You don't even attempt to hide your bias and POV on your profile. I cited a university-published book[1] and a book review by university professor[2]. There is absolutely no way that they are fringe sources yet you continue to call them as such - my interpretation of your behavior is that you are attempting to suppress material because of a point of view. This qualifies as POV-pushing and edit-warring, to say nothing of the fact that removing someone's contributions on the Talk Page is unacceptable.
You singled me out for allegedly engaging in incivility. Actually, if you look at the talk page, there was no shortage of incivility towards me. The very first word written to me was "Look" and then we had phrases like "effing joke" and "bullshit" to describe sources that were supposedly related to the sources I was citing.

76.168.99.248 (talk) 05:36, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes, if you talk to literally anyone in linguistics, they will affirm that the characteristization of Nikolay Marr's Japhetic theory as "bullshit" is quite accurate and perhaps generous as it could also be called actual falsification in order to fit linguistic theory to the "proletarian" interests of the state. Anyhow, Iryna, this guy does love changing people's names and also their genders, he also decided I was a woman named Caltina despite calling me "dude". Something tells me we are not dealing with a new editor here as he seems to know at least some wiki jargon and also in his very first edits [showed he knew how to use citation formats, interwiki linking and other skills usually only acquired later in an editor's career]. --Calthinus (talk) 20:19, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
I mean, I didn't know that {{ISBN| was a thing until seeing one of these "early" edits of his [[3]].--Calthinus (talk) 20:22, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
This is almost certainly an IP of User:Jacob_Peters. My very best wishes (talk) 22:23, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
It does seem to locate near previous IPs used by the sockmaster. Alright guys, who wants to do the honors?--Calthinus (talk) 17:59, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
This guy likes Soviet cinema (compare this and [4]) and everything Soviet. But admins usually avoid to connect specific IPs to named accounts. That's why many socks are editing as IPs. My very best wishes (talk) 20:37, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
I don't at all understand what this IP editor is talking about. I did take a look on his talk page as he suggested. The very first word that is written on it is "Welcome"; then, there is a number of edit warring templates. Quite a few more edit warring templates in the edit log, which this user deleted[5][6]. Heptor (talk) 19:52, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Scythians: Please comment

We want to rewrite the lead section. Would you please participate and comment here? Talk:Scythians#New_Iranica_article Thanks. --Wario-Man (talk) 06:13, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Geographical distribution

Thanks for your question. Please see main article ′Ukrainian diaspora′ XXI century. There are more one hundred and twenty countries. Sincerely, Yourreader— Preceding unsigned comment added by Yourreader (talk • contribs) 23:07, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Anti-Russian sentiment among Vietnamese

Yes, I do have my sources. You can look on Anti-Russian sentiment#Vietnam, I have provided these links. Of course it is not in English, but hope it helps. talk.

Genetic data about Nicaragua

Thank for you message. Most of countries in the page of Latin America show genetics data (please review Brazil, Argentina, Cuba, Uruguay, etc.) because this kind of data are most reliable than how people think about them genetic sources (citation). I did add another sources. Thank.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Researcher123456 (talk • contribs) 06:59, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Anti-Russian sentiment among Vietnamese

Yes, I do have my sources. You can look on Anti-Russian sentiment#Vietnam, I have provided these links. Of course it is not in English, but hope it helps. talk.— Preceding unsigned comment added by ZaDoraemonzu7 (talk • contribs) 05:43, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Note for archiving: sock puppet. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 19:40, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

You've got mail

Hello, Iryna Harpy. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.Doug Weller talk 16:27, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Notice of AfD debate

Hi, I am writing to inform you that an AfD debate has been initiated for the article Environmental inequality in Europe (formerly Environmental racism in Europe). Thank you, Sturgeontransformer (talk) 21:04, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up regarding the AfD, Sturgeontransformer. It's been a while since I last read it, so I need to review it carefully before I !vote. It's not an easy call to make. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 19:49, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
One side-note. In case you were wondering, the section on the "Gander Site" under the UK section has not been changed since we last discussed it in December 2017. Work to replace the section went on hiatus shortly thereafter. I won't write anything further, out of respect for the decision-making process / vote-stacking guidelines.
Respectfully, Sturgeontransformer (talk) 22:31, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Reverts to Canadian Croatian

Hi Iryna, I am responding to your message that you sent me about your revert. I was restoring the page to what it had before - you will notice that there were statistics for 10 cities and metropolitan areas and these were narrowed at some point to three. However, the paragraph still says "10 census metropolitan areas" but the revision (which you reverted to only has three).

I am trying to keep the page to the version that it had previously. As for the sources, it is the same source as for the three cities and three metropolitan areas. I will be reverting the page to keep its integrity with previous versions.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.145.113.244 (talk) 05:29, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Cheers, IP 184.145.113.244. I wasn't aware of the fact that the sourced figures for 2016 had been removed. Thanks for restoring the content (including reliable sources. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 07:31, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Lebanon Orthodox Christians

Dear Iyrna, It is rude of you to threaten me this way. I was trying to contribute to the website, I wasn’t trying to be disruptive. What you said to me about blocking me from editing was disrespectful and unethical. If you were raised this way it is not my fault. Please watch your language next time or I will complain to the website . — Preceding unsigned comment added by D7oom021 (talk • contribs) 13:32, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

D7oom021, the message that Iryna left on your talk page is a standard template message. I see that you have been left several of these, of increasing severity, so you would be well advised to take note, otherwise you do indeed risk being blocked from editing. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:18, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
D7oom021, as Cordless Larry has explained, your editing behaviour has been problematic since you began contributing to Wikipedia. While I understand that you are a new editor and may not comprehend how content is written, you are mistaking standard practice/warning notifications for being personal attacks. I would suggest that you examine edit summaries provided for reversions of your content, and familiarise yourself with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines before continuing to edit. Thank you for your attention. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 18:38, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
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