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I have a question !

Dear Teahouse,

Hello I am new to Wikipedia but would love to become an administrator. How can I join to become an administrator ?

I have only been on Wikipedia for only a few days.

Regards Resen01 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Resen01 (talk • contribs) 17:59, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Resen01: You have to gain a reputation for good editing to be made an admin, only experienced editors are made admins, I think most admins are active editors for at least 2 years before being made admins, but if you become a productive editor maybe you could be an admin someday. Tornado chaser (talk) 18:10, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Resen01: Could I add to what Tornado chaser helpfully says? There is no 'joining' process on Wikipedia, not even for becoming an administrator. However, each person willing to be nominated to help out with administrative duties certainly needs considerable experience over some years, and has to gain the confidence of their fellow editors, who will look very closely at their past experience and skills in dealing with other editors, often under challenging circumstances. You can find out more at WP:ADMIN, but this honestly won't be something new editors need think about for quite some time. That page states: Before requesting or accepting a nomination, candidates should generally be active, regular, and long-term Wikipedia contributors, be familiar with the procedures and practices of Wikipedia, respect and understand its policies, and have gained the general trust of the community. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:01, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Inclusion of nicknames in an article

In the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Nyoda I included, in parenthesis, the nicknames of a number of the people mentioned because they are the names they use(d) exclusively, but are uncommon nicknames for their given names. I know the general rule is to avoid using both given and nicknames, but wondered if, in this case, it might be acceptable, or if I need to omit one or the other. Thank you! Srannamartina (talk) 19:11, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Srannamartina. Welcome to the Teahouse, and thank you for taking the trouble to ask your question. It's a good one, and my advice is to suggest that including nicknames in that article not only adds nothing significant to the content of the page, but also disrupts the flow of reading. Had one or more of the children gone on to become notable in their own right, it might then seem justifiable (assuming you could demonstrate that the nickname was in general use at that time in their lives). But it's almost as irrelevant as telling me what colour the guy ropes were in their camp. So I'd leave them all out. I really appreciate you asking, though. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:32, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Thank you! So you would suggest using only their full (given) names? Srannamartina (talk) 19:39, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Srannamartina: Yes. Sorry I wasn't clear on that. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:42, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Srannamartina: As a general rule, nicknames should only be included if the nickname was used primarily to refer to the subject in question. See MOS:NICKNAME for some guidance and examples. Regards So Why 19:44, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: OK, thank you!

@SoWhy: OK, thank you. That's actually why I was unsure about what to use - the nicknames I included are the names that these people use (or used) exclusively. But I agree with @Nick Moyes: that including their given names as well as their nicknames in parenthesis interrupts the flow of reading. Srannamartina (talk) 19:57, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

problem with DYK template

I've bolluxed up the template for a DYK nomination. It's at Template_talk:Did_you_know#Roz_Young. I thought I followed the directions to not try to link to the article within the nomination because the template would do it for me, but it didn't produce a bold link. Would someone be willing to take a look and tell me what I've done wrong? Sorry, I know I've been in here a lot. valereee (talk) 19:18, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Valereee: The template does not link the article title in the hooks because there is no way to know how it will be included there. Just edit Template:Did you know nominations/Roz Young and use the normal makeup ('''[[Roz Young]]''') to link to and bold the article in the hooks. Regards So Why 19:40, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! I must just have misunderstood the directions! valereee (talk) 19:52, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Srannamartina: I've just fixed that for you, though I'd suggest your hooks really needed to state she was a newspaper columnist, and possibly link to the relevant newspaper article, albeit not in bold. Probably not too late to add another ALT hook? Would do it myself, but am editing from a tiny mobile this evening. If this is your first DYK - well done. Following the DYK instructions for the first time seems harder than writing your first article! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:56, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Thank you...but this wasn't my question... *wink* Srannamartina (talk) 19:59, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Valereee: Oops - just pinged the wrong person. Doh! Can I suggest a tweak to the 'Reception and impact' section? I fear you've twice mixed up the subject and object in two sentences. It rather reads like Krisher helped Krisher, and PD James had a column with her after she'd died! These are minor tweaks I wouldn't normally worry about, but the folks at WP:DYK are pretty fussy. I also think you described somebody as "legendary" without adding a citation to that quote. You might like to look at that too. Good luck with getting your article on the main Wikipedia page. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:18, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Nick Moyes Yeah, I wasn't happy with either of those sentences! Will try to find a tweak. And thanks for fixing the wikilinks, I wasn't sure whether it was that simple or whether I'd make things worse. I dithered over whether to include that she was a newspaper columnist for brevity's sake, but it wouldn't actually make any of them too long. Thanks! valereee (talk) 20:24, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Valereee: Do put that in. The DYK hook really has to be 'sexy'. It must attract and make sense to people who've never ever heard of her, whereas you've probably spent the last few weeks deep inside that article and are assuming folk know what her job was, and where she worked. Which they won't. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:31, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Nick Moyes oh, believe me, I have no illusions about anyone knowing who she was, lol. She wasn't even a redlink Sunday morning. valereee (talk) 20:39, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

ANI notification requierments

A user who I will call X has a long pattern of assuming bad faith and occasionally making bogus accusations during content disputes, if this continues it may become disruptive enough to report at ANI(but I am afraid that an ANI involving X will become rather dramatic). If I have to report X at ANI, I will of course notify them as is required, but if I mention examples of X's behavior toward other users, should I notify those users as well? Also, if X accuses me of POV pushing(as a hypothetical let's say X thinks i'm a pro-trump POV pusher), and I defend by showing diffs of times I reverted pro-trump edits, should I notify the pro-trump editors I reverted? I expect that if reported, X will immediately seek boomerang sanctions against me, and the bogus accusations I refer to above include threatening to report me for pinging an editor who X tends to disagree with, so I don't want to be accused of canvassing editors that X disagrees with to the ANI, but I want to still comply with the notification requirements for ANI.

Unless X becomes disruptive enough that I actually report them at ANI, I will not confirm or deny any guesses as to X's identity, My questions at the teahouse are just so I understand ANI notification requirements. Tornado chaser (talk) 17:27, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Hey Tornado chaser. It's not required that you notify anyone other than the editor you are reporting. You may notify others if their input is required, but as you point out, doing to excessively or carelessly can be construed as canvassing. And anyway, much of the point of a noticeboard thread is to attract outside input from uninvolved editors. So it's often not necessary to widely notify, and the only thing you're going to get grief over is not notifying the subject of the report. GMG ^talk 22:44, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Jacob Maniti

How do I place an upcoming football player in Wikipedia. He just turned 16 years old My son Jacob Maniti. He plays for Melbounre Victory FC in the youth squad. And has represented, the national team Of Philippines Football team and also boys Australian Futsal team as a 12 years old — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ferdinand Maniti (talk • contribs) 23:29, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Ferdinand Maniti: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your son would need to meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for football players(written at WP:NFOOTBALL); looking at them, I see that they state "Youth players are not notable unless they satisfy one of the statements above, or if they can be shown to meet the wider requirements of WP:GNG". Unless your son is extensively written about with in depth coverage in independent reliable sources, he probably would not merit an article as a football player based on the criteria there. I'm sorry that it may be disappointing to hear that. 331dot (talk) 23:48, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

BY mistake

First this is my first time on wikipedia and I am new so I don't know what to post. I didn't like this site thing and i want to delete my account. No useful thing in here i mean i always do my assignments using this site but I am so annoyed what you have said about the question I asked although the answer was not correct and blocked my page! what! Have a nice time without me. Thank you --MeKLT (talk) 15:22, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Hey, MeKLT. Welcome to the Teahouse, which we always hope is a friendly place for new editors to come and seek help. I have already left a note on your talk page to say that I would be saddened if you left us. You didn't actually have your page blocked, and I told you that I had removed an incorrect warning message that another editor left for you. These can seem scary, and I am sorry about that. Do stick around, please. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:02, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

BE fast

I asked question so be fast! --MeKLT (talk) 15:25, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Please be patient there are many editors who are asking questions here and all the hosts also have other works like editing articles answering questions is not only their work. To be a Wikipedian you need to be patient.Denim11 (talk) 15:35, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Good things come to those who wait, MeKLT. :)

Rebestalic^{[dubious—discuss]} 04:10, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello - newbie here

Hello, and happy to be here. I had a question of qualifiable third party sources. Depending of course on the subject matter, are fashion blogs & fashion websites valid to use as third party reference? And I'm speaking of in particular the well known mainstream fashion blogs. The reason I ask is because "fashion" and the culture of which it is associated with tends to be more of "feel good rhetoric" - not that I have a problem with this kind of thing, but if one is doing a piece on an artist or designer, etc does the journalism of fashion blogs and sites qualify as sufficently responsible for Wikipedia reference? Please advise, and many thanks in advance. MAureliusAugustus (talk) 21:34, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Ave, M. Aurilie Auguste. It's usually hard to answer questions like this in the general case. I can point you at WP:BLOGS, which says "Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the subject matter, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications"; but to get a better answer, you should tell us what blog you are considering using, for what purpose. Better still would be to ask at the Reliable sources noticeboard. --ColinFine (talk) 22:22, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

ColinFine. Colin thanks. I'm going to take a look at the information resources you've pointed me to. This way I think my questions will be much better qualified. We'll speak soon, have a great day! MAureliusAugustus (talk) 04:21, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

SARODE PLAYER ABANINDRA MAITRA

Dear Sir, Please let me know what i have to do for accepting the draft Abanindra Maitra to enlist it in Wikipedia. Thanking you. Nilima Sen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nilima sen (talk • contribs) 04:30, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

@Nilima sen: If you read the notes left on the draft, you'd see that it says you need to properly cite some independent reliable sources to establish notability.

I recommend just starting over, using the following steps:

1) Choose a topic whose notability is attested by discussions of it in several reliable independent sources.

2) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find.

3) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.

4) Summarize those sources left after step 3, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer. Make sure this summary is just bare statement of facts, phrased in a way that even someone who hates the subject can agree with.

5) Combine overlapping summaries (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports) where possible, repeating citations as needed.

6) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism.

7) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.

8) Expand the article using sources you put aside in step 2 (but make sure they don't make up more than half the sources for the article, and make sure that affiliated sources don't make up more than half of that).

Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion. Ian.thomson (talk) 04:50, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Jerusalem Mural depicting the Cardo in Byzantine era

Has anyone noticed that the picture for "Jerusalem Mural depicting the Cardo in Byzantine era" in the Jerusalem page has a child with a backpack and baseball cap in the bottom right corner? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem#/media/File:Jerusalem_Mural_depicting_the_Cardo_in_Byzantine_era_(6035801113).jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.185.16.93 (talk) 21:55, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Er, yes, hence the fact that it has "Note the one modern kid … TIME TRAVELLERS?! (read 'There Will Be Time' by Poul Anderson sometime… ;)" as its file description. ‑ Iridescent 22:35, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

I've gently requested deletion of the image on Commons here but I don't know how they handle these things. It needs deleting from its uses here (and on Italian wikipedia). Nicely spotted! Thincat (talk) 22:57, 13 November 2018 (UTC) ... which I've done for two enwp articles but haven't fathomed Portal:Jerusalem yet. Thincat (talk) 23:07, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Thincat, this is not a hoax. The boy is really there. The mural contains people from the modern era. According to this site, The wall mural in this Cardo depicts how the Cardo might have looked in the Byzantine period. The three people pictured in the left-hand corner are the former mayor Teddy Kollek and the two archaeologists who excavated the area. StarryGrandma (talk) 23:24, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I had realised it might be the mural itself that was the spoof but I didn't think that it was likely. Thincat (talk) 23:33, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

not sure why you are deleting the image. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 23:48, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Thincat, it is not a spoof. It is a perfectly serious mural in a major historic site in Israel. To quote this source, You will notice a boy from the modern era with a green knapsack, a red baseball cap and a bottle of water, standing next to a young Roman girl who is extending her hand with a pomegranate to the boy. The artist is depicting the continuity and fluidity of history.. Please put the images back. StarryGrandma (talk) 00:50, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, both. I was aware that it might be the mural itself that was being playful but I had not supposed the articles were intending to display an image like this. I'll explain at commons and withdraw the deletion request. Thincat (talk) 08:54, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Copying vs Creating new Page

I am needing to develop a player profile page like the one at - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trent_Richardson - Can I somehow copy this page, edit the profile with a different player and then post? Or do I need to develop a new page from scratch?

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by OBUtigerfan (talk • contribs) 01:48, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

More explanation is I am developing a page for Johnathan Powell who is a TE for the same team Trent Richardson is on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OBUtigerfan (talk • contribs) 01:53, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello OBUtigerfan. First, I recommend that you read Wikipedia: Notability before beginning work on the article. Surprisingly, I once asked this exact type of question as well a few months back here at the Teahouse. Unfortunately, you'll have to start from scratch--A Wikipedia internal policy is that Wikipedia is not considered a reliable source.

Good luck!

Rebestalic^{[dubious—discuss]} 04:04, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

@OBUtigerfan: I'm not sure Rebestalic's reply, helpful though it is, fully answers your query. Personally, I would have no worries about copying the wikitext of one page into my sandbox, deleting all the content of each section entirely, and any entries in the infobox or tables. In tables (which have a complex structure) I'd probably replace all numbers with XXX or YYYs simply so I don't lose that markup structure, nor confuse data from one person with new data I plan to add later, whilst keeping a very visible 'placeholder' as a prompt for future editing. I'd then save that skeleton, with an edit summary stating it was copied from a named article. Because I wasn't saving any actual content, I probably wouldn't need to state "see that page's history for all author contributions" which I might do were I to be copying and saving the full text into my sandbox. I'd then start work filling in each section with brand new, referenced content. I would just add a plea for you not to follow the florid, verbose and over-trivial writing style of so many sports personality pages here. Many of these enthusiastic editors fail to recognise that they're writing an encyclopedia entry, not practising for a career in sports journalism, where every minor detail of someone's sporting life, or every minute of some match has to be expounded upon in huge detail to satiate some need for trivial information in the readership. You should simply provide links to external website for those kinds of minutiae. (Please remember in future to sign every talk page post. To do that, simply type four keyboard tilde characters (like this: ~~~~) at the end of your final sentence.) Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:28, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

What do I do with the template after cleaning up a translation?

I just cleaned up an article that was marked as needing cleanup after translation from Hungarian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A1szl%C3%B3_Nagy_Memorial_House). How do I remove the "Template:Rough translation" template at the top of the page?Lingo nerd (talk) 09:05, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Welcome, Lingo nerd. Just open the page via the 'edit source' tab and delete the very first line that says {{rough translation}}. Or, in Visual Editor, go to the line beneath the template and delete leftwards until it disappears. I prefer the former method. Save by clicking 'Publish changes. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:39, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Matthew S - i need your help

Hi everyone, I'm Kiodos from Germany! I've just started writing here on Wikipedia. I am very happy to be able to help this website. I only need your support to start positively!

I did a considerable amount of research to find all the articles, there are Italian and foreign articles about this artist. I would like to create articles about artists winning important contests. He won an MTV award. This is the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Matthew_S — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiodos (talk • contribs) 20:52, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello Kiodos. Once you are happy with Matthew S and you think that it reads well enough to be a high-quality article, you can submit the draft for review. Page reviewers can then consider your article for publication.

Tschüss,

Rebestalic^{[dubious—discuss]} 01:55, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Rebestalic.

How can I send the article for review?

It should be ok now!

Kiodos (talk) 06:54, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello again Kiodos. It looks like the draft has been sent for review. Good work! I'll help contribute to the article as well.

Happy editing,

Rebestalic^{[dubious—discuss]} 08:09, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much!--Kiodos (talk) 08:12, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

a user has added suggestions in the article, can they be useful? --Kiodos (talk) 10:15, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Editor

Greetings I am looking for editor to help me add article on Wikipedia.

please contact me Editor 7070 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.144.79.106 (talk) 07:27, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello IP editor, assuming that you are Editor7070 based on your signature here, you should first log in and read the messages on your user talk page, as well as the responses you received at the Help desk. If anything there is unclear, you can come back here and ask about it, or continue the discussion at the Help desk. If you are not that editor, I'm afraid we can't help you unless you tell us about the article you would like to create. --bonadea contributions talk 08:34, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

I am future editor. I am lookin someone will publish article on my favour. Just someone that is authorized to do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.144.79.106 (talk) 12:34, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

To indent, add ":" to beginning of your content. Using the space bar makes it look like a quotation. It is very unlikely that editors who visit TeaHouse will be willing to write an article for you. There are guidelines available on how to create an article. A key question before you attempt this difficult task is whether the topic of your proposed article has been written about in independent publications, as that is essential to meeting Wikipedia's notions of notability. Which gets us to - what is it you want to create an article about? It looks like you might mean Draft:Agata Nowa. This submission was declined on 9 November as not having adequate citations. David notMD (talk) 13:55, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Harvard step test

what does the word barew mean?

what mathematical action is designated by the asterisk (*)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.38.192 (talk) 15:26, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

The word "barew" was added in this unexplained edit in April, and I have reverted it. The asterisk is a standard mathematical symbol for multiplication. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:38, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The word "barew" does not appear in any dictionary that I can find, so if it is a word then it is either extremely rare or very localised. * means multiply of course. Are these genuine questions? Dbfirs 15:41, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Bio creation

Hello, I began creating a Biography. and need to employ the article wizard can this content be transferred or do i need to start over. any info provided is appreciated. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deanna Coakley (talk • contribs) 14:16, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Deanna Coakley. You were trying to write a biography of Roberto McCausland Dieppa. The best thing to do would be to start over. You will have to show that he is well-enough known for a Wikipedia article, that he has been written about in reliable sources (newspapers, magazines, etc) that are independent of the artist. Once you have those references, begin the article by including just the information provided by those references. Then add other information, which can be from interviews or his website. Hope this helps. StarryGrandma (talk) 16:09, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Question on writing an Article

Hi I wanted to write an article on a music artist who is living today. I know Wikipedia has strict standards on this. I noticed also there are many living artists today that someone has written about. Some famous and some not so famous. How would I go about doing this so it is excepted by Wikipedia. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mja Records (talk • contribs) 18:01, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

One of our standards is that companies are not supposed to register accounts. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:04, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

After you have created an account just for yourself, you can read WP:YFA on how to create an article and also make sure you follow the guidelines and requirements at WP:COI and WP:PAID. RudolfRed (talk) 18:09, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Is this page really necessary?

I was looking at this article yesterday and made a proposed deletion for it. DECA Ontario is a small organization that is part of DECA, which has its own Wikipedia page. There is nothing that sets DECA Ontario apart from the rest of DECA. A few minutes later someone objected and removed the tag. Looking at the article now, I think that a lot of the information is useful to a very, very small group of people. Under "Provincial Executive Officer Program (High School Division)" is a list of every single high school student who has been on the executive team since 2010. I can't find links to these people anywhere except social media. The entire page has zero sources. But I am not an expert at Wikipedia, I was hoping someone else could have a look at this page and provide their thoughts. Thanks.Anthonyliu (talk) 02:32, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello Anthonyliu. The person who reverted your edit looks like an IP user. They have two contributions, and both are contributions for DECA Ontario. ~~IP users should not be trusted when dealing with an operation of this importance.~~ Feel free to nominate the page for deletion again. Before doing so, I recommend reading Wikipedia:Notability as well, just to make sure that deleting the article won't cause a massive tantrum by some users. That probably won't happen here at Wikipedia.

Thank you,

Rebestalic^{[dubious—discuss]} 04:00, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

@Rebestalic: I strongly encourage you to read WP:HUMAN. The problem is not that this edit was made by an IP editor (or a new editor for that matter), but that it does not give any reason to contest the PROD, which is usually a poor idea. If the most respected member of the community had done so, we should criticize them just as much. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 09:51, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

My (limited) understanding is that once a PROD has been contested, the proper path is Articles for Deletion (which has now been taken) rather than resubmitting PROD. And, that with AfD, it is a courtesy to bring the process to the attention of editors who have been recent contributors to the article, so that they may participate in the discussion. David notMD (talk) 11:06, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

While Tigraan has pointed Rebestalic to the right place to check this, I am concerned enough to have struck through what Rebestalic posted above. (I know that altering another editor's comments is not normally acceptable.) I'm sure Rebestalic was in good faith, but it is never true that an IP user is "not to be trusted" simply because they have not created and logged into an account. Some IP editors are disruptive, but many are perfectly competent and reliable editors who choose not to create an account. --ColinFine (talk) 16:59, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello ColinFine. I apologise for the inconvenience.

Rebestalic^{[dubious—discuss]} 19:37, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

not comming up in serch

when i serch his name it isnt comming up — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liam Hantos (talk • contribs) 21:15, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

@Liam Hantos: When you search whose name? Ian.thomson (talk) 21:21, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Liam Hantos and welcome to the Teahouse. You seem to have a misunderstanding about Wikipedia. It is not a tool to publicise yourself. Please don't keep adding your name to articles. Your user page is for you to tell other editors about yourself and your interests relating to editing here. It should not look like an article about yourself. Your name will not come up in Google searches relating to Wikipedia until there is an article about you, and that will not happen unless you are notable in the special Wikipedia sense. Google doesn't find any WP:Reliable sources about you when I search, so you probably haven't been written about in WP:Reliable sources yet. Until that happens, there will not be a Wikipedia article about you. Please see WP:Autobiography. Sorry to disappoint you, but most of us don't have Wikipedia articles, we just edit articles here about notable subjects. Dbfirs 21:31, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Links to editor page

Hello !

I am editing the page of a NYC pluridisciplinary artist. Can I link her publications to her editors' websites so people can find the entire references of the book?

Thank you in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fieldsofunnamedflowers (talk • contribs) 20:21, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Fieldsofunnamedflowers. Welcome to the Teahouse, and may I say what lovely username you have? (I'm a botanist, so am allowed to say that without sounding creepy!) I have a few questions for you:

what does pluridisciplinary actually mean, and what's wrong with using the less pretentious 'multi-disciplinary' in the article on Nicole Peyrafitte?

Can you supply a link or example of what you'd actually like to add so we can better understand your question?

Yes, references like the one I've put for Carnet 2, RedfoxPress, Ireland for example. Can I do more of these for the rest of the publications? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fieldsofunnamedflowers (talk • contribs) 21:23, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Why don't you focus first on adding citations to support the statements about all her awards and exhibitions? There are none there at present.

Yes, I will do that as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fieldsofunnamedflowers (talk • contribs) 21:23, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Could you replace all the capitalisation in the Awards section, please? This is not an appropriate style to use.

That's fixed! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fieldsofunnamedflowers (talk • contribs) 21:23, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Can you find some citations to support her 'early life' section? I know you didn't add this, but some unreferenced bits really need deleting if they can't be supported with citations.

Ok — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fieldsofunnamedflowers (talk • contribs) 21:23, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Sorry not to have answered your question - but I feel these are far more important issues to address first. Should you know the artist you're writing about, do please read this page on Conflict of Interests. Regards, -Nick Moyes (talk) 20:59, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your response. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fieldsofunnamedflowers (talk • contribs) 21:23, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

For those as curious as I was, it's about Nicole Peyrafitte David notMD (talk) 03:00, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

I did include a link to the article in my reply, but thanks for highlighting it, David. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:01, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Redirected to wrong page

I was trying to ask a question on an experienced admin's page, but was redirected to here. Is there any way I could stop the redirecting? The question,by the way, is directly before this post. @Nomnom121 (talk) 15:49 14 November 2018 (MST)

@Nomnom121: - am I right in thinking the below was your question

"After making edits that I considered helpful, a user removed them without any explanation. I only learned of this when David notMD informed me on the Teahouse. Is there any way to set up notifications for removed edits?"

You can Watchlist pages (including articles, talk pages etc) by pressing the little star at the top (when you've done it, it will fill in the empty star). If you click watchlist (right at the top right) it will list any edits made to your various watchlisted pages.

I'm a little confused by your redirect issue. Do you mean you posted on an admin's page and they suggested you come here, or that you tried to post and you were automatically sent here? If you could let me know that would help me (or another editor) answer your question Nosebagbear (talk) 23:30, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Linda Cable jazz singer

Hi, please, where should I publish my request for a review, checking of the page I have finished tonight, it is in Sandbox/Heralune, can you reach it ? Should I publish to check it ? It's about an australian singer, Linda Cable. Thanks Heralune (talk) 00:37, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

To submit your sandbox draft for review, add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:44, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Question about Wiki Projects

Since there are the amount of different types of Wikipedia projects on this site, is there any way at all that you would be able to provide a way that would be easier for users in general to be able to look through all those different types of web links without it feeling like it's too time consuming? Even if it might mean having to insert video tutorials in as many different languages as possible so that it will make it easier for users in general to understand a lot better how to navigate through all those links? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BillyAlbornoz (talk • contribs) 02:02, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

@BillyAlbornoz: Welcome to Wikipedia. The tutorial at WP:TUTORIAL has several videos on different topics. Can you be more specific about what you are suggesting? RudolfRed (talk) 02:08, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Policy on personal info of minor children

Hello Editors! I just picked this page's namesake off of a list (Category:Wikipedia articles needing copy edit from November 2018 — which I can't seem to link here), and edited the content of one section, previously "FAMILY MAN", that includes the names and DOBs of his minor children. I've searched but can't find the policy about that aspect, so am not sure if I am allowed to remove their names and DOBs, but it seems a potential danger to the kids to publish that. Is this the place to ask for help finding the policy? Thank you for your attention. -RFT42 (talk) 00:49, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

I believe that WP:BLPPRIVACY and WP:BLPNAME both apply here. I would suggest removing both the children's names and date of births.MarkZusab (talk) 01:44, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

@RFT42: If you try linking a category, it categorizes the page; if you try linking an image, it puts the image. The way to actually link such things is with a colon before it: Category:Wikipedia articles needing copy edit from November 2018. See the last paragraph of Help:Link#Wikilinks_(internal_links). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 09:56, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Merci beaucoup for the advice, and for deleting that info. (I didn't even think to look for Privacy, and had searched for policy concerning children.) Back to the drawing board! -RFT42 (talk) 02:14, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Article with misleading or bias quotes or references

If I find and article which states false information and uses misleadings references in order to try to make it believable but when you look into the quotes either do no exist or simply do not mention the information they are referring to.

How can I correct this information?

Also, what should I do if I find an article which was created to difamate or harm someones reputation. Is Wikkipedia supporting any false information and it its impossible to correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tumaca70 (talk • contribs) 05:26, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

The way to correct the information about yourself in this article is to find WP:Reliable sources that put forward the correct information. Since you have a WP:Conflict of interest, please put forward the corrections, with appropriate references, on the talk page of the article. Wikipedia articles are based on what independent sources have written. Dbfirs 06:10, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Tumaca70. Wikpedia has very strict standards about any content related to living people, since falsehoods or unreferenced negative commentary about living people can be terribly damaging to them, and to the reputation of this encyclopedia. Please report any ongoing incidents to the Biographies of Living Persons Noticeboard.Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:31, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

The New York Times describes Rory Carroll's account as "an impressively well-researched and readable portrait", but does anyone have access to the book: Comandante : myth and reality in Hugo Chávez’s Venezuela to check what is actually written about Tulio Capriles Mendoza? Dbfirs 08:24, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Citing Wikipedia

I know that citing wikipedia itself isn't allowed, but is linking to the more specific wikipedia page okay?

Example: I was trying to help cleanup List of Muslim scientists, and I didn't know if I needed to cite the birth and death dates directly, or since the page is linked and that has the same dates if that is good enough.

Thank you for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gallium314 (talk • contribs) 05:57, 15 November 2018 (UTC) .

Welcome to the Teahouse, Gallium314. It is entirely proper to link to other Wikipedia articles as informative resources. However, one Wikipedia article cannot be used as a reference for another Wikipedia article. Since our articles are freely edited, they cannot be fully reliable sources. However, any well-written Wikipedia article will summarize references to reliable sources. Read those sources, and many of them may be relevant to the article you are working on. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:57, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

@Gallium314: Adding to what Cullen328 says, and clarifying somewhat, I would not expect you to add a reference to support inclusion of birth and death year to "List of..." entry such as List of Muslim scientists, providing the article being wikilinked to includes those dates in its lead. In a similar way, we would't expect a disambiguation page (e.g.: Tom Jones, John Smith) to include references either when birth/death dates are shown. I certainly think what you're proposing to do to that List page will be very helpful. That said, I have since found other lists that do use references for each entry, such as List of British Jews, but I'd be OK with seeing your list without them. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:49, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Changing user/log-in name

For brevity: I need to change my user name for entries over the last year. Email address can stay the same. Is this doable? Or just got to my IP address, or? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:6000:6683:7E00:9DF3:8571:AEEB:A527 (talk) 08:46, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Equally for brevity: Welcome. Yes, see Wikipedia:Changing username. It's only worth doing if you've made lots of past edits. Otherwise best advice is to abandon old account, never ever use it again, and simply create a new one. Please sign all talk posts with four keyboard tildes (~~~~). Nick Moyes (talk) 09:40, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Menu bar too full?

Is there a limit for the menu bar? It's half the size of the page now, and It won't let me add to it.--Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:54, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Thegooduser. Which menu bar are you referring to and how do you try to add to it? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:22, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter:This one: Thegooduser (Bell) (Notices), etc --Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 02:32, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

@Thegooduser: And how do you try to add to it? Please be specific if you refer to a preference or JavaScript which does not make an addition you expect. Does half the size of the page mean one line half the width of the window? I can make two lines. I can also make more than two but then the links overlap with other things. What is your skin at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering? What is your browser? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:25, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Text editor board missing

Hello THe board, where I could change lettering, create reference, link etc. has dissapeared from english text editor, but it is still present in czech one. Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vojtaruzek (talk • contribs) 20:40, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Vojtaruzek, welcome to the Teahouse. An old toolbar has been removed. "Enable the editing toolbar" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing makes another toolbar which has been default for years. This code in your common JavaScript creates a toolbar more like the old one:

mw.loader.load("/w/index.php?title=User:Writ_Keeper/Scripts/legacyToolbar.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript");
mw.loader.load("/w/index.php?title=User:Writ_Keeper/Scripts/legacyRefToolbar.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript");

Without the second command it omits the cite button and may load faster. See more at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Support ends for the 2006 wikitext editor. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:12, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

It is enabled, but it is still missing, not in firefox, though — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vojtaruzek (talk • contribs) 12:02, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Wax interview

Hello, this is a very good and recent interview about Wax (UK). It disproves some of the inaccuracies on the Wikipedia page. There is one editor who keeps editing it out, not realising the impact it has. Can the 10cc/Wax pages please use it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZanetaStepanova (talk • contribs)

@ZanetaStepanova: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If a user reverts one of your edits, the proper procedure is to go to the article talk page and discuss the matter, with you explaining the reasons you feel your edit is needed. Please read Bold, Revert, Discuss for more information. 331dot (talk) 13:21, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

recovering from a speedy deletion

I would like to submit an article about a notable family in the hospitality industry - specifically on two brothers. I noticed that one brother already has a wiki page. When i submitted an article for the other brother, it was submitted for speedy deletion. I've contacted the user but he did not reply to my enquiries. Can i find out if i can still submit a revised version of the article? Would really like to see this through.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Roslah9022 (talk • contribs) 15 November 2018 (UTC)

@Roslah9022: Is the Brother in Question Notable? Geartooth ^{Friendship is Magic!} 13:51, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Very weird that the deleting admin did not reply. Hey, @Dlohcierekim, would you mind us restoring this article as a draft? Regards So Why 14:20, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Done-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 15:01, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

How can i create the perfect article

I need help for a new article i want to know what to do to create a article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ludwigjoey (talk • contribs) 15:05, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

@Ludwigjoey: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please understand that successfully creating an article(don't worry about "perfect") is probably the hardest thing to do on Wikipedia. It takes time, effort, and practice. New users who dive right in to article creation often end up disappointed and with hurt feelings as their work is mercilessly edited and even deleted by others. I don't want that to happen to you, so I would strongly suggest that instead of starting out creating articles, you take some time to edit existing articles to get a feel for what is being looked for and how Wikipedia operates. You should also use this tutorial for new users which also will help you learn about Wikipedia. If you do these things before attempting to create an article, the odds are you will be much more successful.

However, if you still want to attempt to create an article right away, Your First Article is a must read; you can then use Articles for Creation to submit a draft for feedback before it is formally placed in the encyclopedia. This way, it will be treated less harshly. 331dot (talk) 15:09, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Is this band Notable?

Hi Everyone,

I have requested an article to be created about a band and I am wondering if you all think it is worthy of an article.

I believe they are worthy but am looking for an attestation so I can have some validity to me request.

The band is The Mixus Brothers ...

Can someone with experience in the Wiki world give me an honest answer?

Thanks! Jacob slimpikenzIII — Preceding unsigned comment added by SlimpikenzIII (talk • contribs) 16:53, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

@SlimpikenzIII: Can you find at least three professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources that are neither affiliated with nor dependent upon the band or its associates, but feature the band as its primary subject?

Adverts or listings for their concerts would not count (no matter where published), press releases from their record company would not count, interviews on someone's blog would (almost certainly) not count.

Articles in professionally-published music magazines (e.g. Pitchfork) about the band might count, articles in newspapers might count, documentaries about them might count -- as long as the band is the primary subject and not just mentioned in passing or sharing the spotlight with anything else.

If you can find at least three such sources, they're probably notable. 16:58, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

I truly appreciate you getting back to me... The band has multiple articles in the local paper like this https://www.pghcitypaper.com/pittsburgh/the-mixus-brothers-make-pretty-music-even-if-theyre-not-family/Content?oid=1719534 and this https://www.pghcitypaper.com/pittsburgh/new-releases/Content?oid=1603205 this was on local TV https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56plVjYXqv4&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3X8d-7xWesRvY2VEMtys73A2GjTwpg_7yGWHaD6VUg5kWqYuTOXxPEdLA There is also this out of the UK https://www.americanrootsuk.com/the-mixus-brothers---to-hang-me-high.html

So there are plenty of other mentions but those are the ones I would consider outstanding...what would you think?

Thank you again!! Jacob — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.2.137.37 (talk) 17:23, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Downloading PDF files

Could the download link be in a header position? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.194.53.218 (talk) 15:58, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you are asking. Could you expand your question a bit? If you are asking whether you could place an external link to a PDF inside a header in an article, the answer is No. MOS:HEAD says that secton headings should not contain links or citations. --ColinFine (talk) 17:34, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Is this vandalism? What's the least time-consuming way to deal with it?

I stumbled across this today: an IP-user took what looked like a well-sourced article and removed most of its content with comment "Wrong information, ... added bands real history,..." in March 2018. It was caught by a bot, but somehow overcome by the user in question. There was one attempt in August to bring back what seems to be the correct discography, reverted from the same IP. No discussion on the article's talk page, nothing. I'm not familiar with the band, but this seems like a weird case of vandalism?

I started reading through WP:VANDAL, but as usual with WP policies, it's very long-winded. I tried to find a place where volunteers who specialize on dealing with it hang out - only to find more and more long pages with no clear way to report such a thing. I tried to be bold and revert the edit, but the WP software didn't seem to let me. I was on the brink of walking away from it, but this place lured me in with the "friendly place" tagline ;) so I thought I'd give it a try. Any way to deal with it without entering into an edit war, issuing five levels of warnings to the user, finding the correct committee, participating in a discussion and so on?

Thanks --asqueella (talk) 14:49, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

@Asqueella: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Vandalism can be reported to WP:AIV. You do not have to issue five levels of warnings to a user before reporting them, if you see no point in doing so(though the last warning should be the strongest). Users are not entitled to five warnings. I'm not sure why you would have been unable to revert the edit as the page is not protected. What message came up when you attempted to do so? 331dot (talk) 14:55, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

@331dot: Hey, thanks for calming me down:) I was a bit overexposed to internals of wikipedia recently. Thing is, WP:AIV tries to dissuade me from posting there - I'm not sure this is a case of "obvious vandalism" (do you?), and the least controversial way to handle it would probably be to Assume good faith, enter a discussion with the user, find a way of reverting the page, check the sources on the older version of the page, then monitor reverts, add a warning, eventually report it to WP:AIV - not something I'm currently able to do. While I understand that I can't expect other Wikipedians to do it for me, I hoped there was a way to contact those willing to - is there?

(The message was "The edit could not be undone due to conflicting intermediate edits", linking to another long article which starts by threatening blocks for reverting. See, I just need to take a break -- sorry for venting in here.) --asqueella (talk) 16:03, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

@Asqueella:"Conflicting intermediate edits" only means that someone else edited and saved their edit while you were in the process of doing so. When that message comes up, two edit windows appear; the edit you attempted to make is in the lower one, and the one that the other user made is in the upper. You can usually copy your edit from the lower into the upper window and then click "publish". If you are unsure as to if something is vandalism, you could try asking at the Help Desk or maybe even WP:ANI if you would like the opinion of an administrator(though that requires notifying whomever you think is vandalizing). 331dot (talk) 16:10, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

@331dot: Thanks again for your help! You encouraged me to go through with the reversion (two edit windows did not appear for me, but I found another way). Also tried to contact the user in question. I'll keep in mind your HD/ANI suggestions for later on. Have a nice day! --asqueella (talk) 18:47, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Bonjour! Hi!

Hello how do you do. Can you have copy someone else's fuselage onto yours? Va te faire foutre dedans (talk) 17:51, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

@Va te faire foutre dedans: Welcome to the English Wikipedia. I can't tell what you are trying to ask. If your primary language is French, you might want to ask at the French Wikipedia instead: [1]. RudolfRed (talk) 18:05, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

I speak French and English. Va te faire foutre dedans (talk) 19:36, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

So Sorry I was in a rush, I meant Can you put someone else's userpage on your userpage. Are you allowed to copy it word by word or do this {{}} and put there name in the middle. Va te faire foutre dedans (talk) 19:47, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Hey Va te faire foutre dedans. You're certainly allowed to copy elements of the design of other's user pages. However, if you if you copy someone else's page in a way that makes it look like you are attempting to impersonate them, that will likely be seen as disruptive and confusing to other editors. GMG ^talk 20:16, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the information User:GMG Va te faire foutre dedans (talk) 20:34, 15 November 2018 (UTC)