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I'd say yes, it seems there aren't active members anymore. P1221 (talk) 07:30, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes! It's not active enough to be a standalone WP and could benefit from instead being a task force of a larger WP. — Goldencall me maybe? 17:38, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It was always kept going by a couple of people. If they've left I don't see the point in calling it a "task force". Might as well mark it as inactive & refer people to the main VA project. I was never all that happy with the distinction anyway. Almost all the art we cover is "public" in most senses. Johnbod (talk) 23:18, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I assume the practical advantage of this is that it would reduce the number of talk page banners; currently the talk page for an article on a public sculpture is going to have {{WikiProject Public Art}}, {{WikiProject Sculpture}} and {{WikiProject Visual arts}} (and no doubt some have missed one or more, so a merger would help there). I would welcome a reduction in the number of these. The only thing is that this WikiProject has task forces of its own; most are moribund but I still use Wikipedia:WikiProject Public Art/London (WP:PALon) quite heavily, particularly the Wikidata lists there. So if this project were made a task force of WP:WPVA the talk page banner for articles in that task force would read "WikiProject Visual arts / Public Art / London". (The switch there from sentence-case "Visual arts" to title-case "Public Art" is unfortunate.) I don't know whether three levels of project instead of two would cause problems. (Extra-long page names for sub-pages of WP:PALon? What do you call a task force of a task force?) It might be more straightforward to make WP:SCULPT a task force of WP:WPVA instead – again, the only practical difference I know of would be one less talk page banner. Ham II (talk) 07:38, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with all these zombie projects is that people see the banner, & may ask a question etc on Project talk, where nothing is likely to happen. The Sculpture one is marked "semi-active" - a considerable overstatement imo. Johnbod (talk) 20:40, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not opposed to having a similar merge discussion for WikiProject Sculpture, but perhaps one thing at a time. ---Another Believer(Talk) 21:33, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Update: FYI, I've asked for assistance converting this WikiProject into a task force over at the admin noticeboard. Thanks! ---Another Believer(Talk) 13:59, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Got a lot of attention after it's bombing. Not often a public work gets 1.6 million hits on Wikipedia. the article needs work and it's quite messy. Harizotoh9 (talk) 04:16, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Another Believer, I was looking at the subpages of this WikiProject, and it looks like PALon isn't the only taskforce here, but some other long-dormant task forces exist too, as subpages under a different title. See
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There hasn't been any discussion on them at all. —CX Zoom[he/him](let's talk • {C•X}) 13:00, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think most of these were intended as "task forces", & they don't use that term. User:Ham II set up the London ones i think, & may want to comment. Johnbod (talk) 13:07, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
CX Zoom seems to be saying that there should be consultation (possibly in the form of an invitation to a centralised discussion) on the task forces' talk pages, i.e. the following:
Thanks for the ping. That is what I meant. I read above that, for London, it can be moved under WP London, but for the others I'm not sure where they go to. I think there needs to be some sort of discussion for them. And if they are moved elsewhere, then that project would have to be notified too. —CX Zoom[he/him](let's talk • {C•X}) 17:08, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@CX Zoom, Ham II, and Johnbod: Can't these all be converted into task forces of WikiProject Visual arts? Seems easier than asking all these WikiProjects if they want to "take on" a task force. Let editors of the specific task forces decide their own fate, but for now, they can just be moved to the parent of WikiProject Public Art, no? For example, move Wikipedia:WikiProject Public art/Indy to Wikipedia:WikiProject Visual arts/Indy. Just a thought. ---Another Believer(Talk) 21:19, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, please don't rebrand the zombies by converting them into anything. Just mark them as inactive, with a pointer to the most relevant live project. Or just leave them where they are. Johnbod (talk) 21:49, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The main outcome I want from this discussion is one less talk page template – basically, replacing Template:WikiProject Public Art with a public art parameter for Template:WikiProject Visual arts. After looking into this some more it doesn't seem to be necessary to change page names or the project's name in order to achieve this (although I still think it should be Public art, not Public Art). WikiProject District of Columbia sits within WikiProject United States in talk page templates, e.g. at Talk:United States Capitol. The only WPPA task force with a parameter at Template:WikiProject Public Art is the London one, and that could be replaced on talk pages with a new public art parameter for Template:WikiProject London, as well as the public art parameter for Template:WikiProject Visual arts I should think.
I've also, at last, posted on the London and Tony Smith talk pages alerting users to this discussion. Ham II (talk) 14:57, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Ham II, Johnbod, Another Believer: I've modified the WP Visual arts and WP London banner sandboxes as discussed above. When the conversion is complete, a template editor can just sync the main banner with its sandbox (the bluelink will need some modification). A bot request or AWB request should convert all existing uses to the new banner in a few days. An example of the use of WP London banner can be seen at Special:Diff/1107789091, it has both the public_art and public_art-importance parameters. An example of the use of WP Visual arts banner can be seen at Special:Diff/1107796570, it has the public_art parameter but I haven't added importance params as the current WP Public Art banner doesn't have it either. If any changes would be needed, please let me know. —CX Zoom[he/him](let's talk • {C•X}) 23:37, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@CX Zoom: Thank you very much for the sandbox changes. I've now changed the page name of the London public art taskforce to Wikipedia:WikiProject London/Public art and updated the link in {{WikiProject London/sandbox}} to reflect this. (When I said above that page names didn't need to be changed, I was referring to the inactive task forces, not the London one.) At {{WikiProject Visual arts/sandbox}}, I've changed the public art icon from to , which I think is easier to identify at that size. Ham II (talk) 12:39, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So I think we shouldn't move the remaining city-specific subpages per Johnbod's suggestion above. Please let me know if that is what we should do. In that case I'd just keep a subpage under the new task force which lists old inactive city-specific subpages just in case someone in the future wants to take it up. —CX Zoom[he/him](let's talk • {C•X}) 07:20, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm hoping to finally complete it by this week after a long period of prorastination. So, I came here and found that we haven't yet selected a destination name. So, I was wondering, here should this go? Pinging @Johnbod, @Another Believer, & @Ham II for input.
Fine with 3 or 4. I prefer to avoid the idea there is an active WikiProject Public art when there isn't. Johnbod (talk) 21:45, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, that kinda misses the point that the current WikiProject is being merged into another as a task force. —CX Zoom[he/him](let's talk • {C•X}) 06:50, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@CX Zoom: Fair point; I'm happy to go with #3. Ham II (talk) 08:03, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Per the updates above, I believe that there is a consensus in favor of "Wikipedia:WikiProject Visual arts/Public art" (without explicitly referring to as a task force). Again, I hope to proceed with it once 24 hours are over. Please let me know if anyone disagrees. Thanks! —CX Zoom[he/him](let's talk • {C•X}) 16:42, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@User:Johnbod: importance parameter of task forces is independent of its parent WikiProject. —CX Zoom[he/him](let's talk • {C•X}) 16:55, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well it would be odd, and i'd still advise against it in any case, not that it matters at all. Johnbod (talk) 18:00, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
3 days and no replies yet, so I guess this is what I will be doing. —CX Zoom[he/him](let's talk • {C•X}) 18:55, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Argh, why?? Most VA pages shouldn't have the PA one (I'm surprized the number without isn't larger) and really, what use is adding it. It waws normally only added to sculpture on the streets, and hasn't been much use for them. I'd be inclined to leave things as they are. Johnbod (talk) 19:13, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Johnbod: I'm sorry I just wrote the exact opposite of what I intended to say. The original comment would be "petscan:23413558 shows a list of 2334 pages that have {{WikiProject Public Art}} on it, but not {{WikiProject Visual arts}}. Should I just add the visual art banner on them or manual review is required?" —CX Zoom[he/him](let's talk • {C•X}) 19:21, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah! Thanks. In the meantime I'd looked at the list & they nearly all seem right for PA & all ok for VA. So yes, ok to add the lot. Johnbod (talk) 20:21, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Public art has already become a WikiProject banner parameter under visual arts. So the change would basically be {{WikiProject Public Art|class=xyz}} → {{WikiProject Visual arts|public-art=yes|class=xyz}}—CX Zoom[he/him](let's talk • {C•X}) 19:25, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Johnbod: please see User:CX Zoom/TestPage30. It lists some petscan queries that, if resolved, will make it very to complete this process. There are some 55 articles that have one quality rating on public art and another quality on visual arts. To merge, both should have the same quality rating or one could be used to override the quality rating of another. What to do here? The rest can be automated using AWB. —CX Zoom[he/him](let's talk • {C•X}) 09:19, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm starting to see lots of template conversions in my watchlist (example, example, example). Thanks to all who helped with this process. ---Another Believer(Talk) 17:06, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
All done. Extremely sorry for the delay. Due to real life matters I was near-inactive for quite some time, and then I had forgotten about this until recently. —CX Zoom[he/him](let's talk • {C•X}) 19:58, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
