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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:33, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

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Quebec International Pee-Wee Hockey Tournament, Gérard Bolduc, Paul Dumont[edit]

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Quebec International Pee-Wee Hockey Tournament in 2009
Quebec International Pee-Wee Hockey Tournament in 2009

Created by Flibirigit (talk). Self-nominated at 03:37, 1 January 2019 (UTC).

Quebec International Pee-Wee Hockey Tournament[edit]
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: DannyS712 (talk) 06:31, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

  • Only plagiarism issues detected are quotes or the name of the book written, so not an issue (since the quotes are sourced).
  • Hook interest contingent upon being shown on February 20th, and assuming that the same thing is not in the "on this day" section
  •  Done Event legacy section is pretty promotionally written - do we really need all 5 quotes? The notable participants section is okay.
Gérard Bolduc[edit]
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: DannyS712 (talk) 06:31, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

  • Hook interest contingent upon being shown on February 20th, and assuming that the same thing is not in the "on this day" section
Paul Dumont[edit]
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: DannyS712 (talk) 06:31, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

  • Hook interest contingent upon being shown on February 20th, and assuming that the same thing is not in the "on this day" section
Notes[edit]
  • All DYK templates marked as "maybe" to remove the error that shows up without a status, but I will say so when the status is determined for each.
  • the last 2 are marked as "minor" pending confirmation of French hook citation. The first one is now intentionally marked maybe, pending neutrality and hook citation. The hook's year (59 vs 60) needs to be cleared up.
  • All articles could use a copy edit, but they are in reasonably good shape prose-wise
Discussion[edit]
  • 60th anniversary vs 59 years ago? please explain --- --DannyS712 (talk) 06:49, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Limited request for a new reviewer: I don't know French. I'll AGF for the citations in the articles in French, but can another reviewer please check that the hook citations confirm the hook? --DannyS712 (talk) 06:53, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
  • @Flibirigit: please see notes about the 60 vs 59, as well as the neutrality of the first article. --DannyS712 (talk) 07:02, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Here is the first source in French:

Fonctionnaire au ministère de la Chasse et de la Pêche, M. Bolduc avec quelques amis : Paul Dumont, Jacques Boissinot, Edmond de la Bruère et Pat Timmons, fondent en 1960 le Tournoi international de hockey pee-wee de Québec. Cette idée lut est venue à la suite de la participation des clubs de Québec qu'il avait amenés dans des tournois à Goderich en Ontario et à Duluth au Minnesota.

Translation

Official at the Ministry of Hunting and Fishing, Mr. Bolduc with some friends: Paul Dumont, Jacques Boissinot, Edmond de la Bruere and Pat Timmons, founded in 1960 the International Pee Wee Hockey Tournament in Quebec. This idea came as a result of the participation of the Quebec clubs he had brought to tournaments in Goderich, Ontario and Duluth, Minnesota.

Here is the second source in French:

Ce samedi 20 février 1960, ça y est pourtant. Vingt-huit équipes sont inscrites à la première édition présentée à l’aréna du parc Victoria, l’un des trois seuls de la ville avec le Colisée et le pavillon de la Jeunesse. La violente tempête de neige de la veille, le Carnaval et la cérémonie d’ouverture des Jeux olympiques à Squaw Valley auraient pu jeter de l’ombre sur l’événement. Mais la promesse de verser des surplus aux œuvres du patronage Roc-Amadour allait rallier la presse, sceptique jusque-là. Dès le tout premier match, à 14 h, les joueurs des équipes des paroisses locales de Saint-Pascal et Saint-Joseph découvrirent alors un gisement de sympathie qui ne s’épuisera jamais. «Je m’en souviens comme si c’était hier et j’en parle à chaque année avec un «moton» dans la gorge à mes enfants et à mes frères. Quelles émotions nous avions vécues, nous les petits gars de la paroisse Saint-Pascal», témoigne Conrad Pitre, qui a aujourd’hui 61 ans. Le succès fut instantané. Plus de 700 personnes de Donnacona s’étant annoncées pour encourager leur équipe, Bolduc et les dirigeants durent conclure une entente avec la Ville pour «déménager» le tournoi au Colisée, en prévision de la journée des finales. Là aussi, l’audace allait être récompensée. Après les 12 500 spectateurs qui avaient envahi le petit aréna Victoria, durant les sept premières journées, 7 235 mordus occupèrent le Colisée pour l’ultime samedi.

Translation

This Saturday, February 20, 1960, it is there yet. Twenty-eight teams entered the first edition at the Victoria Park Arena, one of only three in the city with the Coliseum and the Youth Pavilion. The violent snow storm of the day before, the Carnival and the Opening Ceremony of the Olympic Games at Squaw Valley could have cast a shadow over the event. But the promise of paying surpluses to the Roc-Amadour patronage would win over the press, which had been skeptical until then. From the very first match, at 2 pm, players from the local parish teams of Saint-Pascal and Saint-Joseph then discovered a field of sympathy that will never be exhausted. "I remember it as if it were yesterday and I talk about it every year with a" moton "in the throat to my children and my brothers. What emotions we had lived, we the little guys of Saint-Pascal parish, "says Conrad Pitre, who is now 61 years old. The success was instantaneous. With more than 700 people from Donnacona having announced to cheer on their team, Bolduc and the leaders had to reach an agreement with the City to "move" the tournament to the Coliseum, in anticipation of the finals day. Here too, audacity would be rewarded. After the 12,500 spectators who had invaded the Victoria Arena, for the first seven days, 7,235 fans occupied the Coliseum for the final Saturday.

The second source from fr.canoe.ca appears to have gone offline, or maybe the URL archive has moved since it was first retrieved. I can probably find the original somewhere in my notes and post later. As for anniversaries, they are correct as listed. For example, the second event will be the 1st anniversary of the original event a year earlier. The third event will be the second anniversary of the original event two years earlier, and so on. To say that differently, the second occurrence of the event would occur when the event is one year old. Hence the anniversary is always one year less the age. As for the the analysis of the "Event Legacy" section being promotional, it includes testimonials of participants as to why the event is presitigious or memorable, et cetera. The inherent nature of any testimonial is somwhat promotional. I am open to other ideas on how to present the information. Flibirigit (talk) 13:41, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

@Flibirigit: I'll AGF for your translation. As for the testimonials, can we reduce the number that are listed? Or, if we have to list all 5, can we also include *some* criticism to make it more neutral overall? I'm just not comfortable with the section as it is now. --DannyS712 (talk) 00:22, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
In hindsight, I have struck ALT0, and changed it to ALT2 below. Sorry, I wasn't very awake this morning. Other hooks could also be made from the number of NHL players having played there, or the charitable donations raised. Flibirigit (talk) 22:00, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
ALT2: ...that the Quebec International Pee-Wee Hockey Tournament (pictured) now in its 60th year, started on this day in 1960, cofounded by Gérard Bolduc and Paul Dumont?
DannyS712 I will think about how to rework the section, and get back to it in a couple days. Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 20:17, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
I haven't forgotten about this. I should have something posted by the end of this week. Flibirigit (talk) 18:53, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
DannyS712, thank you for being patient while I was comtemplating how to rework the section. I decided to make it into a few paragraphs about the player experience, rather than being a list of testimonials. This is what I had intended originally, but it just came out wrong. As for tournament criticism, there's really not much to go on, other than it being very expensive. Let me know what you think. Flibirigit (talk) 19:09, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
@Flibirigit: Sorry. I looked at the revamped section. The POV issue is solved, but can you give it a copy-edit? If not, I can do it, and then I'll approve the DYK. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 00:40, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
@DannyS712:, I made some other additions, but I wasn't sure what else needed to be changed. Flibirigit (talk) 02:17, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
@Flibirigit: I did a minor copy edit, and think that the article is good to go. But, for alt2, we don't need to say 60th year and started in 1960. Please ping me and let me know if I should just approve alt1, or if you want to rephrase alt2. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 02:30, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712:, I have slightly changed ALT2. Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 03:55, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

@Flibirigit: It sounds a bit weird. Would you be okay with reordering it? --DannyS712 (talk) 05:27, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Alt3: ...that the Quebec International Pee-Wee Hockey Tournament (pictured), cofounded by Gérard Bolduc and Paul Dumont, started on this day in 1960?

@DannyS712:, that's fine with me. Flibirigit (talk) 15:54, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
@Flibirigit: fyi the second edit didn't ping me either - you have to make a new line of text with a new ~~~~. Anyway, alt1 and 3 should be good to go. I'm going to figure out how to hold them for february, and then mark them as approved. --DannyS712 (talk) 16:43, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Alt1 and alt3 are good to go! --DannyS712 (talk) 16:49, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
--DannyS712 (talk) 16:54, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
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