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Romania has 1 recovered person. And the 4th one is confirmed. Alexceltare2 (talk) 12:16, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Hayman30 (talk) 12:19, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
total cases for the uk now 51
health sec. matt hancock announces a new total of 51 cases confirmed in the uk Naomismallsduhh (talk) 13:15, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
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The number of confirmed cases in Romania has rose to 4 and there's 1 recovery. A new case was confirmed today, 3rd of March, and official information of yesterday showed that there's a recovery.
Sources:
"Al patrulea caz de coronavirus a fost confirmat în România" [Fourth coronavirus case was confirmed in Romania].
"Coronavirus România, informații oficiale: Două persoane care au virusul sunt internate; 52 de persoane în carantină" [Coronavirus Romania, official information: Two people that have the virus are interned; 52 people in quarantine]. Catalinandrei7 (talk) 13:48, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- These are not reliable sources. Please see WP:MEDRS.Graham Beards (talk) 19:02, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
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24 cases in Sweden: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/nya-fall-med-coronavirus-i-sverige 0x9fff00 (talk) 13:58, 3 March 2020 (UTC)#
- This is not a reliable source. Please see WP:MEDRS.Graham Beards (talk) 19:02, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- SVT is the national public television broadcaster in Sweden, and is a genrally reliable source. However, https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/aktuellt-epidemiologiskt-lage/ by Public Health Agency of Sweden (a Swedish government agency with national responsibility for public health) is a reliable source regaring this, which states 24 cases as of 3 March 11:26 am (local time). Jonatan Svensson Glad (talk) 21:15, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- https://www.1177.se/Stockholm/aktuellt/aktuellt-i-stockholms-lan/3-mars-nya-coronafall/ by Vårdguiden 1177 and https://www.sll.se/verksamhet/halsa-och-vard/nyheter-halsa-och-vard/2020/03/ny-nyhet-corona/ by Stockholm Regional Council states that there now are 15 confirmed cases in Stockholm county, making the national total 30 cases in Sweden, as stated in 2020 coronavirus outbreak in Sweden. Jonatan Svensson Glad (talk) 21:21, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- Good source now supports. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:32, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- https://www.1177.se/Stockholm/aktuellt/aktuellt-i-stockholms-lan/3-mars-nya-coronafall/ by Vårdguiden 1177 and https://www.sll.se/verksamhet/halsa-och-vard/nyheter-halsa-och-vard/2020/03/ny-nyhet-corona/ by Stockholm Regional Council states that there now are 15 confirmed cases in Stockholm county, making the national total 30 cases in Sweden, as stated in 2020 coronavirus outbreak in Sweden. Jonatan Svensson Glad (talk) 21:21, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- SVT is the national public television broadcaster in Sweden, and is a genrally reliable source. However, https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/aktuellt-epidemiologiskt-lage/ by Public Health Agency of Sweden (a Swedish government agency with national responsibility for public health) is a reliable source regaring this, which states 24 cases as of 3 March 11:26 am (local time). Jonatan Svensson Glad (talk) 21:15, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
Netherlands now 24 cases (from 18)
RIVM reports six new coronavirus patients. Now 24 cases in total.
https://www.rivm.nl/en/news/current-information-about-novel-coronavirus-covid-19
Puffdad (talk) 15:22, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- Already updated by someone. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:47, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
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Austria change 21 to 24 https://www.sozialministerium.at/Informationen-zum-Coronavirus/Neuartiges-Coronavirus-(2019-nCov).html Rendal (talk) 16:06, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- This is not a reliable source. Please see WP:MEDRS.Graham Beards (talk) 19:02, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- This is official governmental information. However it is not available in English.Rendal (talk) 20:19, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- We can wait for a reliable source in English. Graham Beards (talk) 20:46, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- This is official governmental information. However it is not available in English.Rendal (talk) 20:19, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
What ref supports what content
Is once again unclear.
We have a number for Italy. What reference supports that number?
Would be best to just have one reference beside each number so that editors can compare and correct. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:52, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- Found and added the ref. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:07, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
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Please change "Romania" recoveries to "1". For details, see: https://www.digi24.ro/stiri/actualitate/sanatate/al-doilea-test-pentru-pacientul-cu-coronavirus-de-la-matei-bals-a-iesit-negativ-1268349 and https://www.romaniajournal.ro/society-people/young-man-from-gorj-infected-with-coronavirus-cured-suspicions-on-other-cases/Hecristi (talk) 18:35, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- This is not a reliable source. Please see WP:MEDRS.Graham Beards (talk) 19:02, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
They may not be reliable sources, but one of the sites is already used as the source for Romania, so I don't really understand the double-standard. Hecristi (talk) 19:20, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- We are in the process of removing the unreliable data from the template.Graham Beards (talk) 19:29, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
Second case in Estonia
New case discovered in Estonia after person flew from Bergamo to Riga and then used personal transportation to reach Estonia. Reference: https://m.delfi.ee/eesti/article.php?id=89119615 Eestlane321 (talk) 18:43, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
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Change the infected in Estonia from 1 to 2 Source: https://www.delfi.lv/news/national/politics/igaunija-konstatets-otrs-covid-19-gadijums-saslimusais-celojis-caur-rigas-lidostu.d?id=51935097 80.70.23.57 (talk) 18:47, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- This is not a reliable source. Please see WP:MEDRS.Graham Beards (talk) 19:02, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
3 new cases in algeria----total cases 8
The Ministry of Health announced, Tuesday evening, that three new cases of Coronavirus have been registered in Algeria.
According to a statement by the Ministry of Health, the three new cases raise the total confirmed infection with the Corona virus to eight. Gonfrosko (talk) 19:32, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- User:Gonfrosko Link please. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:35, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
Second case in the Republic of Estonia
Second COVID-19 case confirmed in Estonia by the Health Board of the Republic of Estonia. The infected person arrived in Riga on the 29th of February on a flight from Bergamo, Italy. Then the person travelled to Estonia with a personal vehicle. Reference: https://www.terviseamet.ee/en/news/second-coronavirus-case-confirmed-estonia Eestlane321 (talk) 19:45, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
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Number of cases in Italy 2,503 to 2,263 as indicated in the official communications referenced as [32]. 130.132.173.177 (talk) 20:15, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- Please provide a reliable source. There is no ref 32 on this template.Graham Beards (talk) 20:45, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- 2263 are currently infected, 79 have died, and 160 are better for a total of 2,503. http://www.salute.gov.it/portale/nuovocoronavirus/dettaglioContenutiNuovoCoronavirus.jsp?lingua=italiano&id=5351&area=nuovoCoronavirus&menu=vuoto
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Change Iceland confirmed 11 to 14.
Source: Icelandic Directorate of Health Press Release (3 March 2020, 16:30). Fréttatilkynning vegna COVID-19 kl. 16:30. https://www.landlaeknir.is/um-embaettid/frettir/frett/item39297/Frettatilkynning-vegna-COVID-19-kl--16-30 Sylgja (talk) 20:17, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
New case in Estonia
Second COVID-19 case confirmed in Estonia by the Health Board of the Republic of Estonia. The infected person arrived in Riga on the 29th of February on a flight from Bergamo, Italy. Then the person travelled to Estonia with a personal vehicle. Reference: https://www.terviseamet.ee/en/news/second-coronavirus-case-confirmed-estonia Eestlane321 (talk) 21:00, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
How about a current/existing cases column? [suggestion]
It's nice to see that [in terms of core sources] we're moving away from BNO News to a slightly more practical source [Johns Hopkins]. With that change, there's something I'd like to suggest.
What if we had an additional column dedicated to showing the current existing cases by country? It wouldn't be too difficult since the new core source we're using has already done that math for us [unsure if it has done so for the Diamond Princess cases, but we can cross that bridge later], and I know it will be useful to some of the visitors of the main article this table is included in.
Thoughts? (I personally can't do it as I haven't reached Extended-autoconfirmed status yet, and I'd like to gauge your thoughts first in any case.)
RayDeeUx (talk) 23:45, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- Things are so complicated as it is right now with data being added that is not supported by the source provided. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:53, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
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There are 42 cases in Australia now. Please update the number [1] 101.182.81.117 (talk) 03:20, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Done thank you for citing your sources. To reply, copy and paste this: {{SUBST:replyto|[[User:Can I Log In|Can I Log In]]}}[[User talk|(talk)]] 04:49, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
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Recoveries in Switzerland: 2 since yesterday. Sources: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 & https://www.tdg.ch/monde/direct-200-cas-confirmes-france/story/24581768 Fleet ch (talk) 06:16, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- 68 cases and 3 recoveries now. Source: https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/11139730-vaud-enregistre-six-nouveaux-cas-de-covid-19-et-une-premiere-guerison.html (see updated map) Fleet ch (talk) 12:10, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
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Poland now has a case of coronavirus: https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1235100564632899585 Conker The King (talk) 07:23, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- Twitter is not a reliable source. Graham Beards (talk) 10:39, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- I don't think you are being helpful here Graham. Twitter can be reliable if the poster is confirmed and reliable. In this case it is from the bno website we used to use. Anyway the table is already updated. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:08, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
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The number of cases in India is now 28 with 3 recoveries - https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/coronavirus-15-italian-tourists-test-positive-confirmed-cases-rise-to-21-in-india-1652237-2020-03-04 M4DU7 (talk) 07:32, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- Other sources give different data.Graham Beards (talk) 10:41, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
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32 cases in Sweden as of 10:13 CET according to the Public Health Agency of Sweden (under “Antal fall i Sverige”): https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/aktuellt-epidemiologiskt-lage/ 0x9fff00 (talk) 10:37, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you. We should wait for the Johns Hopkins update [2]. Graham Beards (talk) 10:44, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
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Pretty sure the latest edit on Austria cases misread and put in Australia's numbers, current number of cases in Austria is 27 https://www.sozialministerium.at/Informationen-zum-Coronavirus/Neuartiges-Coronavirus-(2019-nCov).html 87.197.150.135 (talk) 12:06, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- Corrected. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:12, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Source
I think that there should be citations(ref) for BNO news because it has many official informations clustered together. So, we could use https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 and BNO news, WHO as three core sources. Maybe we could use the source in the BNO news, too. Otherwise, how could we use the sources for this template?Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 12:13, 4 March 2020 (UTC)#
- BNO is not reliable; it uses Facebook and Twitter as a data source. Graham Beards (talk) 12:33, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
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35 cases in Sweden now according to Johns Hopkins map 0x9fff00 (talk) 13:14, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Done, thanks--Ymblanter (talk) 13:21, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
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Two new confirmed cases in Romania, raising the number of cases to 6.
"6 cazuri de coronavirus confirmate în România. 2 pacienți testați pozitiv astăzi" [6 confirmed coronavirus cases in Romania. 2 patients tested positive today]. Catalinandrei7 (talk) 14:20, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
4 March Updates for Switzerland
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Several Swiss newspapers are currently reporting 93 confirmed cases for Switzerland (90 active and 3 recovered). Sources: Tribune de Genève, Basler Zeitung, Berner Zeitung - they are all drawing on the findings of the same research team. In today's press conference starting at 13:30, the Federal Office of Public Health mentioned 54 confirmed cases and 39 additional positively tested cases that are still awaiting confirmatory testing by the reference lab in Geneva according to Berner Zeitung and NZZ - which adds up to the aforementioned 93 cases. The BAG Website hasn't been updated since yesterday 17:15 and is lagging behind mentioning 37 confirmed cases. --Beat Estermann (talk) 14:23, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- I think the question is whether we should include only confirmed cases or all putative cases. The downside of including unconfirmed cases is that there will be multiple sources with different counting methods, depending on the country different methods will be used to report on unconfirmed cases and the potential of adjusting the numbers by the hour, while the number of confirmed cases can be retrieved from official publications (BAG, WHO) and will not change. I also think we should not participate in the fear mongering of ever higher case numbers that may later turn out to be negatives and stick to the official sources. I think the only sane solution is to stick to WHO numbers or official government numbers of confirmed cases since these are the only numbers that are comparable at all between countries. --hroest 15:20, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- The question is: What is a "confirmed case"? - So far, I haven't seen a clear definition and I would expect the definition to shift along with the diffusion of the virus. The above-mentioned newspaper sources rely on official government announcements of cases that have been lab tested positively (currently, the competency to announce the verified cases is with the cantons, not with the Confederation). BAG is reporting cases that have been confirmatory tested by a second lab, the Swiss reference lab in Geneva, and they do so with a delay of up to 24 hours. So far, I haven't seen any "retracted" cases. Some cases move around between cantons (e.g. the first Neuchâtel case was hospitalized in the canton of Bern) which explains some apparent inconsistencies in the data between sources and/or over time. Personally, I would stay with the numbers given by the cited newspapers. At today's press conference, the BAG representative hinted at the fact that testing capacities are not without limits. I would expect them to abandon the double-testing routine when testing demands exceed the current capacity. Does anybody know what definition of a "confirmed case" is currently used by Italy, South Korea and Japan? Has anybody seen any statistics regarding the reliability of the lab tests? --Beat Estermann (talk) 17:46, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
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Sixth case confirmed in Romania. Source(Romanian): https://www.gandul.ro/coronavirus/noul-coronavirus-al-cincilea-caz-de-infectie-a-fost-confirmat-la-timisoara-19398393 Alexceltare2 (talk) 14:38, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
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Change UK confirmed cases from 90 to 115, ref: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public Rjbarbour (talk) 16:07, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
update cases in uk
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115 confirmed Naomismallsduhh (talk) 16:10, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
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1st death in UK please make deaths in UK from 0 to 1 •rslashthinkong the oof man 17:46, 5 March 2020 (UTC) 17:44, 5 March 2020 (UTC) [1]
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First UK death[2] Ambo100 (talk) 17:53, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- Done: has be already updated — RealFakeKimT 19:21, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
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Atticusboi (talk) 17:54, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
one uk death
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-51747782
- Done: has be already updated — RealFakeKimT 19:17, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
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400 cases in Germany 5.3.2020, 3:00 pm https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Fallzahlen.html 178.18.69.35 (talk) 18:32, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- Done: has be already updated — RealFakeKimT 19:19, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
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Change the confirmed cases for Belgium from 23 to 50
https://www.info-coronavirus.be/nl/2020/03/05/27-nieuwe-gevallen-van-covid-19/ (Official gov website)
https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2020/03/05/nieuwe-corona-patienten-in-belgie/ (News) Kef274 (talk) 10:40, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- This has been updated with that first reference. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:25, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Third case confirmed in Estonia
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“Yesterday the Health Board laboratory analysed 43 coronavirus samples, with one positive test result. The infected person arrived in Riga on the 29th of February on a flight from Bergamo, Italy. The person developed symptoms of a fever and bone and joint pain. The infected person is on home treatment and is being monitored by the Health Board” : said the Health Board of the Republic of Estonia. Reference: https://www.terviseamet.ee/en/news/third-coronavirus-case-confirmed-estonia Eestlane321 (talk) 12:42, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- This is now done. --hroest 16:45, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
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Atticusboi (talk) 14:03, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
uk cases now 90
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51749352
It's done. Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 14:58, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Error
ResolvedI think there's an error: WA with 1 and IL with 70? ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:49, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- This seems to have been corrected. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:59, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Data Source: WHO vs John Hopkins
I wonder what source for the data should be used, for example as of March 3rd, there is a strong discrepancy from the official WHO numbers in their daily report and the John Hopkins CSSE data here. I understand that we want to be as updated as possible, but I wonder what the rationale is to use the non-official data versus the WHO data. For example, Spain has 114 cases according to the most recent WHO report and Switzerland has 30 cases according to WHO and 37 according to the official Swiss government source see here, however the John Hopkins source reports 165 cases for Spain and 56 cases for Switzerland. I feel we should stick to WHO and official government communications to ensure the data here is accurate and it is unclear where the John Hopkins source takes its information from (in claims that it uses WHO data but then differs quite a bit from it). Best --hroest 03:42, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- I think Johns Hopkins is reliable enough. WHO just comes out once a day correct?
- The big issue is I am not sure we would get once a day updates to stick. People keep changing to the popular press from Johns Hopkins even. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:42, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, WHO is once a day - however many official government numbers are also only updated once a day. Some countries only include tests by the official reference lab in the official number (see Switzerland below) even though local labs have additional positive results not yet confirmed by the reference lab. It seems newspapers will always report the higher number, while the numbers reported to WHO are the ones confirmed by the national reference labs. There is also questionable utility for speedier updates (how much would that really help anybody?) and it may just contribute to panic. The downside of including unconfirmed cases and relying on newspaper reports is that there will be multiple sources with different counting methods, depending on the country different methods will be used to report on unconfirmed cases. I think the only sane solution is to stick to WHO numbers or official government numbers of confirmed cases since these are the only numbers that are comparable at all between countries. The compromise would be to allow John Hopkins, but not individual newspaper reports. --hroest 15:28, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Protection
Editors are adding data to this template without citing any reliable sources. If this continues and Admin-level of protection might be indicated.Graham Beards (talk) 20:14, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- Really? Full protection? Recently it seems like admins are getting really liberal in how they use FP. Ultimograph5 (talk) 20:26, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, really. Graham Beards (talk) 20:35, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- And I see you are ignoring requests for sources on your Talk Page.Graham Beards (talk) 20:38, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- Those requests were for edits where I stated the source (which, earlier today, before the admins came along, was BNO for all). Regardless this template is descending into an outdated source-heavy mess quickly, and I don't want to fight about it, so bye! Ultimograph5 (talk) 21:09, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- BNO is not a reliable source.Graham Beards (talk) 21:12, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- I'm uninterested in arguing, but would you mind sharing why BNO is unreliable? Ultimograph5 (talk) 21:17, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- This source more or less says the same https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
- The main thing we need is the ability for our readers and fellow editors to rapidly verify the content in question. We know have that more.
- Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:02, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- I'm uninterested in arguing, but would you mind sharing why BNO is unreliable? Ultimograph5 (talk) 21:17, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- BNO is not a reliable source.Graham Beards (talk) 21:12, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- Those requests were for edits where I stated the source (which, earlier today, before the admins came along, was BNO for all). Regardless this template is descending into an outdated source-heavy mess quickly, and I don't want to fight about it, so bye! Ultimograph5 (talk) 21:09, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- And I see you are ignoring requests for sources on your Talk Page.Graham Beards (talk) 20:38, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, really. Graham Beards (talk) 20:35, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- Sources do need to be provided, some editors are just adding it in the edit summary, which is no good for our readers. We could have a comment at the start to tell editors what is required for a change. Or we could have an edit notice to display. Edits have been good faith, so I do not believe that admin protection is required. If it is is, then all edits have to be discussed first, even if admins want to do them. That will cause more work. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:30, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- An edit notice would help. A lot of users simply didn't care to source their edits. Some editors included the url in their edit summary, usually I'll add it to the reference list for them. Some editors simply stated where they got their numbers from ("per Ministry of Health" or "per Bloomberg"), but they didn't specify where exactly did they obtain those numbers. I think this is definitely not ideal because others can't verify whether their numbers are correct. This was way more of an issue when the page was unprotected a few days ago and there was a lot of back-and-fourth reverting because people were like "my numbers are correct so I don't need a source". Hayman30 (talk) 16:16, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- It also leads to inconsistent edits and the question here is really whether we here at Wikipedia should aim to duplicate the effort of the WHO, BNO and John Hopkins and try to compile case numbers or whether we should stick to one of these sources *that is internally consistent* and report that. For example, right now our total reads 94,355 cases while John Hopkins reports 94,250 total cases and BNO 94,301 cases -- while actually adding up all cases reported here gives a total of 94,380. Just as food for thought how messy this gets if we dont clearly agree on where our sources should come from and what we should actually report (confirmed or unconfirmed cases, Twitter or WHO). --hroest 16:21, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- An edit notice would help. A lot of users simply didn't care to source their edits. Some editors included the url in their edit summary, usually I'll add it to the reference list for them. Some editors simply stated where they got their numbers from ("per Ministry of Health" or "per Bloomberg"), but they didn't specify where exactly did they obtain those numbers. I think this is definitely not ideal because others can't verify whether their numbers are correct. This was way more of an issue when the page was unprotected a few days ago and there was a lot of back-and-fourth reverting because people were like "my numbers are correct so I don't need a source". Hayman30 (talk) 16:16, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
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Update Austria from 27 to 29. The source I provided yesterday was not reliable enough though it is in German. My edit request was rejected. Interestingly, today this exact same link is attached to Austria. Since it is accepted today I omit it here. Rendal (talk) 18:05, 4 March 2020 (UTC) Rendal (talk) 18:05, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- 27 is listed here https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:19, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Updating cases in algeria
Total is: 12 confirmed cases untill now Gonfrosko (talk) 16:17, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- Ref Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:20, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Data source for Italy
The source of the data for Italy is the "Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by Johns Hopkins CSSE" (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6).
I would suggest to use the data from the health ministry of Italy (http://www.salute.gov.it/portale/nuovocoronavirus/dettaglioContenutiNuovoCoronavirus.jsp?lingua=italiano&id=5351&area=nuovoCoronavirus&menu=vuoto).
At the point of writing this comment, the value of confirmed cases in Italy of the first source is 2502 whereas the second source mentions 3089 cases.
What do you think?Smalde (talk) 18:33, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- Yes that source is good. When making a change people MUST also change the source to one that supports the change. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:35, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
norway wrong position
shouldn't it be by iraq? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alfredo Valente (talk • contribs) 18:38, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- Sure moved. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:48, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Alphabetical order
When sorting by alphabetical order, does one take into account the number of deaths and recoveries too? For example if Country X has 2 cases with 0 deaths and 1 recovery does it rank higher than Country Y that has 2 cases, 0 deaths and 0 recoveries? M nurhaikal (talk) 22:51, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- This is causing confusion. My preference is not to consider recoveries and deaths, and just to sort by cases, and then alphabetically. I think the idea was that places where all had recovered were at the bottom of their section. But that order is often violated. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:00, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- I'm a bit confused, too. For now, I would order countries by this order cases-->deaths-->recoveries-->alphabetical for now, because everyone seems to sort it that way, but I guess we should discuss about this; as more countries are added, it would be harder. I would do what everyone agrees to. Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 00:29, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- I am happy with just order by number of cases. And than alphabetically. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:35, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- I'm a bit confused, too. For now, I would order countries by this order cases-->deaths-->recoveries-->alphabetical for now, because everyone seems to sort it that way, but I guess we should discuss about this; as more countries are added, it would be harder. I would do what everyone agrees to. Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 00:29, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
I think the best way, to avoid confusion is to arrange them by number of cases>alphabetical and do not take into account the number of recoveries and deaths. M nurhaikal (talk) 01:00, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
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First case in Slovenia reported. Four more cases confirmed in Ireland, bring the total to six cases. References: Slovenia: https://english.sta.si/2735036/first-case-of-coronavirus-infection-confirmed-in-slovenia Ireland: https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/four-new-coronavirus-cases-confirmed-in-west-of-ireland-985841.html Eestlane321 (talk) 20:40, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- Looks to be all included. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:56, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- sorry but Slovenia case doubled. --MiskoGe (talk) 23:16, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- Is there a reference for the number 2? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:56, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- This is now included. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:21, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- Is there a reference for the number 2? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:56, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- sorry but Slovenia case doubled. --MiskoGe (talk) 23:16, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
It would be better if we can also keep track of number of tests performed
Some governments publish the number of tests performed everyday. It would be better if we can also keep track of these numbers in the tables. UK and Italy tables have already been updated with those numbers. Llull juny (talk) 01:43, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- While I agree that this would be nice, not all governments report the number of tests and we already struggle to maintain the list and keep it up to date. Unless you have a solution on how to add this number consistently for all countries I see a lot of practical problems. --hroest 02:03, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
It's extremely difficult to keep up with the statistic as not many govt publish the data. M nurhaikal (talk) 02:43, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- This information could go in COVID-19 testing. Perhaps a table of countries with the number of tests performed could be included. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:23, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Ireland
We shall read Republic of Ireland, not Ireland alone in fact. When you sort the table alphabetically, Ireland is not between Iraq and Israel, but between Qatar and Romania...
FMichaud76 (talk) 16:08, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, FMichaud76. It seems like this template is abiding by WP:COMMONNAME instead of WP:OFFICIALNAME, as evidenced by the template using "China (mainland)" instead of "People's Republic of China", and "United States" as opposed to "United States of America". For names of countries, WP:COMMONNAME is of a higher priority.
- EDIT: I have viewed the source and it seems that the article "Ireland" in the table leads to references to COVID-19 cases in Republic of Ireland, as per the title of the said article being linked. I now see the issue you're pointing out. I'm not quite sure how the editors managed to work around that with "China (mainland)" even though the title of the linked article of that text includes "Mainland China". Perhaps you can create a new topic in this talk page and add an edit request that way?
- Anyways, hope I helped. RayDeeUx (talk) 00:27, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- I believe it is because the link goes to an article entitled [[2019–20 coronavirus outbreak in Mainland China|China <small>(mainland)</small><!--Discuss on talk page before changing this-->]] while Ireland goes to [[2020 coronavirus outbreak in the Republic of Ireland|Ireland]], so we would have to move the article [[2020 coronavirus outbreak in the Republic of Ireland to 2020 coronavirus outbreak in the Ireland -- or do some other trickery I am not aware of. --hroest 02:01, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, @Hannes Röst:! These were the same ideas I had, but I wouldn't want to confuse the regular editors of the 2020 coronavirus outbreak in the Republic of Ireland article, so as a temporary solution [until we get a consensus from other editors in a new topic I'll make shortly] I'll be renaming "Ireland" in the table to "Republic of Ireland". RayDeeUx (talk) 02:25, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- +1 seems fine with me, at least until we have a better solution. --hroest 16:40, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, @Hannes Röst:! These were the same ideas I had, but I wouldn't want to confuse the regular editors of the 2020 coronavirus outbreak in the Republic of Ireland article, so as a temporary solution [until we get a consensus from other editors in a new topic I'll make shortly] I'll be renaming "Ireland" in the table to "Republic of Ireland". RayDeeUx (talk) 02:25, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- I believe it is because the link goes to an article entitled [[2019–20 coronavirus outbreak in Mainland China|China <small>(mainland)</small><!--Discuss on talk page before changing this-->]] while Ireland goes to [[2020 coronavirus outbreak in the Republic of Ireland|Ireland]], so we would have to move the article [[2020 coronavirus outbreak in the Republic of Ireland to 2020 coronavirus outbreak in the Ireland -- or do some other trickery I am not aware of. --hroest 02:01, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Ireland vs Republic of Ireland
Recently, FMichaud76 has pointed out an inconsistency when sorting the wikitable alphabetically (in any direction). For some reason, Ireland's cases fall not near Iraq, Iran, or any other country that starts with an "I" of the table, but rather with Qutar and Romania. That is a result of the name of the article that is wikilinked with "Ireland" which refers to the country as "Republic of Ireland" in the title of said linked article {here: 2020 coronavirus outbreak in the Republic of Ireland}.
Hannes_Röst also pointed this out and suggested an article move to fix the issue. However, that would be quite a drastic decision and would probably confuse the regular editors of 2020 coronavirus outbreak in the Republic of Ireland.
I feel that if we can pull something off with "China (mainland)" despite its linked article referring to the country as "Mainland China", we can probably use the same principle with Ireland.
However, I've been staring at the source of the article for 15 minutes without progress. This is where I need some help/input/opinions/etc.
Thoughts? [Good day/night.]
RayDeeUx (talk) 02:33, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- It appears that the sorting is happening on a link in the flag icon with "a href=wiki/Republic of Ireland" being what determines the sort position. I have added data-sort-value="Ireland" to get it to right spot. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:25, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks! --hroest 16:45, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Recoveries in Romania
Now three of the total of six confirmed cases in Romania have recovered from COVID-19.
"Coronavirus România, INFORMAȚII OFICIALE: 3 din cele 6 persoane infectate cu COVID-19 au fost declarate vindecate" [Coronavirus Romania, OFFICIAL INFORMATION: 3 of 6 people infected with COVID-19 have been declared recovered]. Catalinandrei7 (talk) 16:53, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- Often we wait for it to be confirmed by a better source. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:45, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Two new cases of COVID-19 in Estonia
Please change confirmed cases in Estonia section from 3 to 5. Reference (in Estonian): https://www.terviseamet.ee/et/uudised/kahel-bergamost-naasnud-tallinlasel-tuvastati-koroonaviirus — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eestlane321 (talk • contribs) 20:16, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- It has been included, thank you. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:29, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
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Is the Johns Hopkins source really credible? Because all german news sites and the RKI website say the number of cases is 400, also they have at least 16 recoveries. 178.18.69.35 (talk) 21:22, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- Yes it is credible.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:22, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Doc James: I stopped using the Johns Hopkins website because more often than not it was inaccurate. I rely on BNO personally because it gets updated constantly and immediately. Jayab314 23:55, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- If you use BNO for a number in the table, make sure it is referenced as such. Otherwise others will revert a number change that is not supported by a JH reference. Note that BNO has made mistakes too, so it is not entirely reliable. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:27, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- Most of these are not inaccuracies, just different point in time. The main think is to have a source that actually supports the content in question. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:31, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- If you use BNO for a number in the table, make sure it is referenced as such. Otherwise others will revert a number change that is not supported by a JH reference. Note that BNO has made mistakes too, so it is not entirely reliable. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:27, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Doc James: I stopped using the Johns Hopkins website because more often than not it was inaccurate. I rely on BNO personally because it gets updated constantly and immediately. Jayab314 23:55, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- Yes it is credible.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:22, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Update cases in Slovenia
The total number of cases in Slovenia is 6 not 2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.142.133.3 (talk) 04:44, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Princess cruise
Number dropped from 706 to 696.[3] Strange Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:11, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- The answer is here: https://www.sankei.com/smp/life/news/200305/lif2003050076-s1.html — Some cases had been counted twice. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:32, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Addition of foreign territories of countries
Such as Gibraltar, Saint Barthalamey and Faroe Islands. It's not included in the list? M nurhaikal (talk) 09:11, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
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Please update the case count for Australia, it's now 63. Here's the source. [4] 101.182.42.45 (talk) 10:34, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- Actually that source says 64. Updated, thank you for the link. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:28, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
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https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/coronavirus-cases-in-india-live-news-latest-updates-march6/liveblog/74503220.cms - 28 new cases in Malaysia, rising to total 83 cases. Ricky250 (talk) 11:10, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the alert, I have updated but with a different reference with more info. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:36, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
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17 Israeli citizens positive of Corona https://www.ynetnews.com/article/94GFBFW6K Doom777 (talk) 11:41, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, I have updated Israel. They may not all be citizens, but if in the country of Israel they count. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:46, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
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Number of cases in Slovenia is now 7.
- Information to be added or removed: Update the number of confirmed cases in Slovenia to 7
- Explanation of issue: STA (Slovenian Press Agency) has reported another confirmed coronavirus case in Slovenia.
- References supporting change: https://english.sta.si/2735933/seventh-coronavirus-case-confirmed-in-slovenia
--RStular (talk) 15:08, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- Done: updated already — RealFakeKimT 16:27, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Calculations
The number: total is not always correct, so what can we do? I think there should be a note about that(to always fix totals when updating)... Or, are there any templates that calculate the sum? I hope this problem to be improved. Sincerely, Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 15:24, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- It is tough. Should it be a reliably reported total or our own total? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:29, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- I don't think we should be using a reliably reported total because we are collating numbers from different sources, which is often more updated than the sources which collate totals. Darylgolden(talk) Ping when replying 05:34, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- We are soon going to have new numbers every day from 250 countries.
- The other solution is we need a SUM feature.
- Or we simple live with us doing the best we can. I may be getting exceedingly busy soon... Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:13, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- I don't think we should be using a reliably reported total because we are collating numbers from different sources, which is often more updated than the sources which collate totals. Darylgolden(talk) Ping when replying 05:34, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- It is tough. Should it be a reliably reported total or our own total? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:29, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
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Iceland confirmed 34 to 35
Source: The National Commissioner Of The Icelandic Police, Department of Civil Protection and Emergency Management, as reported on the Icelandic National Broadcasting Service (RÚV), https://www.ruv.is/frett/covid-19-smitin-ordin-35-talsins Sylgja (talk) 06:19, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- I have updated it to 35, thank you. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:42, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks User:Graeme Bartlett Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:21, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
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5 cases in Poland 31.42.14.235 (talk) 17:59, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Not done, citation needed, the 05 March 2020 report from the World Health Organization still listed only 1 in Poland. If you have a newer reliable source, re-make your request.
Daily WHO reports are here. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:52, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
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Change Argentina from 2 confirmed cases to 8, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_Argentina for more info. 190.189.120.70 (talk) 22:57, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- Done Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source. Please provide reliable sources from outside Wikipedia. I found one[5] so I am going to make the change. In the future, please provide a source that meets the requirements listed at Wikipedia:Reliable sources. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 23:09, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
We need a "SUM" tool for tables
That would be the solution. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:10, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Definitely. Is it possible though to make one? M nurhaikal (talk) 02:00, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- I don't think it's possible to make a "spreadsheet" but it is possible to write a bot that checks this page every time it is edited, parses the tables, computes the sums, then makes the edit. It wouldn't be easy though, espcially since it would have to know how to handle a mal-formed table. Because of that risk I doubt it would be approved. Not worth the effort if you ask me. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 03:29, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
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Change United States deaths to 18 Matthewberns (talk) 04:23, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Ref Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:30, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Repatriated US cases are being double-counted?
My understanding is that the current number for the U.S. includes cases that have been "repatriated" from the Diamond Princess. If so, then those should be subtracted from the "International Conveyance" item. But actually if you're going to keep that as a separate item, then the repatriated cases should be left there, and not added to the national totals. jej1997 (talk) 20:16, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Jej1997: The repatriated cases are not included in International Conveyance, just the national totals. Jayab314 20:44, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Jayab314: Then why does the chart have the footnote: "Region where case was diagnosed. Nationality and location of original infection may vary"? My understanding is that we're not trying to keep track of the current location of all cases; just where they were diagnosed. jej1997 (talk) 06:12, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
1 Australian Case being doubled counted
Officially there are only 70 cases in Australia as the Northern Territory (NT) case is now counted as part of New South Wales (NSW) cases, as stated by the Australian Government Department of Health on March 6 [3]. As a result, most other sources are double counting the NT case. Stevedog8750 (talk • contribs) 06:19, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- How can we tell if it is double counted in other sources? I expect that Australian Government Department of Health will have a correct figure, but it lags behind by many hours at least to over 24 hours, and is only updated once a day. I have updating the Australian maps to remove NT, and then put it back, but it looks as of this morning there was no case there. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:39, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
References
- ^ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-news-live-symptoms-deaths-uk-italy-us-who-map-latest-a9376696.html
- ^ "Older patient becomes first virus fatality in UK". BBC News. 2020-03-05. Retrieved 2020-03-05.
- ^ https://web.archive.org/web/20200306234934/https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert
Full protection versus selectively removing peoples ability to edit
So we are still having extensive issues with people changing the numbers in this table to numbers not supported by the source provided and not providing a source that supports the numbers they have changed it too.
So should we:
1) fully protect so that only admins can edit (which will require consensus before changes)
2) selectively remove peoples ability to edit this page if they continue to add data without references after one warning
Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:58, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- User:Graeme Bartlett your thoughts? I think the second will work. And more importantly who will hand out editing restrictions? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:10, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- I would support both options, but lets go with (2) first. The question with option 1) is whether there is an admin willing to take on that workload and it seems to me that the process of reaching consensus is too slow for this relatively fast evolving situation. --hroest 18:30, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- If we go with option two user:Hannes Röst we will need a transparent process for handing out edit restrictions. For example will myself and User:Graeme Bartlett be able to apply these? Or will we need an outside admin?
- We should likely have a discussion here for each infraction. And than keep a list of people who have restrictions placed. Should we have a time limit on the restriction like three days for the first infarction, two weeks for the second? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:33, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I suggest option 2. If Graeme is willing to take this on, he has my full confidence and support. If this is (understandably) not the case we Admins will have to share the work. Either way something needs to be done.Graham Beards (talk) 18:36, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- User:Graham Beards would be good for you to hand these out aswell. Maybe we just need to have a process were the person reporting the second breach and warning here is not the same as the one applying the edit restriction? We should also have an edit notice to this effect. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:46, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- I would agree with that process: 1 warning and subsequent restriction. I think most people will act in good faith and a restriction will not be necessary that often (and hopefully keeps the workload of admins to a minimum since people can still edit). Also, the process needs to be explained very clearly and transparently to avoid problems in the first place. --hroest 19:13, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- I am in agreement with this process for (2). After first infraction after the commencement date, a formal warning is issued to the user's talk page. On a second infraction they are told they are banned from editing the page for two days. A third infraction will result in a partial block that will prevent editing the page. An edit notice will explain that a reliable source must be provided as a reference and not just in the edit summary, that BNO is out of favour, that counties are sorted by number of cases,
then inverse number of recoveriesand then alphabetically, and that totals have to be updated. Perhaps we need a list of suitable sources on another page. I am willing to issue the partial blocks and page editing ban notice. But I am not here 24 hours a day. Non-admins can also issue the first warning. If we agree on text for the edit notice I can put it up. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:48, 4 March 2020 (UTC)- Having too many sort keys is confusing, so I am not supporting sorting by number of recoveries, but we can work out what to put on an edit notice. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:14, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- An edit notice would go at Template:Editnotices/Page/Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data. Sample follows:
- I am in agreement with this process for (2). After first infraction after the commencement date, a formal warning is issued to the user's talk page. On a second infraction they are told they are banned from editing the page for two days. A third infraction will result in a partial block that will prevent editing the page. An edit notice will explain that a reliable source must be provided as a reference and not just in the edit summary, that BNO is out of favour, that counties are sorted by number of cases,
- I would agree with that process: 1 warning and subsequent restriction. I think most people will act in good faith and a restriction will not be necessary that often (and hopefully keeps the workload of admins to a minimum since people can still edit). Also, the process needs to be explained very clearly and transparently to avoid problems in the first place. --hroest 19:13, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- User:Graham Beards would be good for you to hand these out aswell. Maybe we just need to have a process were the person reporting the second breach and warning here is not the same as the one applying the edit restriction? We should also have an edit notice to this effect. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:46, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I suggest option 2. If Graeme is willing to take this on, he has my full confidence and support. If this is (understandably) not the case we Admins will have to share the work. Either way something needs to be done.Graham Beards (talk) 18:36, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- I would support both options, but lets go with (2) first. The question with option 1) is whether there is an admin willing to take on that workload and it seems to me that the process of reaching consensus is too slow for this relatively fast evolving situation. --hroest 18:30, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Reliable references must be updated when numbers are modified. Please sort by number of cases, and alphabetically, and update the totals.
- We can warn about editing restrictions when users are warned for violations, rather than put it in the editnotice. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:17, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- I support the second option more than the first one–it's better to let everyone (with the exception of some) edit the article rather than let a small handful of [presumably, I might add] busy admins edit the numbers to match those of the core source. It may be simple to restrict editing to admins only with the click of a button, but it's more efficient to weed out the bad actors in the long run.
- [Side note: extended auto-confirmed is already the strictest editing restriction that is solely based on edit counts, and as a hobbyist editor who is quite concerned about the COVID-19 situation I had originally planned to bring myself to extended-autoconfirmed so that I can lighten the workload of edit requests for others who are also active in this talk page, including Hayman30 and Doc James. Tightening restrictions further would hurt more than help.] RayDeeUx (talk) 00:14, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- I oppose option 1 but (weakly) support option 2. As long as the majority of non-admin contributions to the page are constructive and sourced, full protection should not occur. In fact, I even think extended-confirmed protection is too much. That's saying something coming from a recent changes patroller who (I think) leans more towards protection that most. And I think let's cool it on only having one warning; perhaps people are just not familiar with the template or simply forgot. Mistakes happen. Maybe you find tracking down and reverting offending edits annoying to deal with, but that's what recent changes patrollers have to do all the time. And while this is not a content dispute in the traditional sense, I still believe @Doc James: and @Graeme Bartlett: are WP:INVOLVED and should not be imposing editing restrictions themselves. I also believe that discussions about editing restrictions should happen on WP:ANI and not here to reflect global consensus and not just local consensus. Lastly, full protection should also be implemented by an uninvolved admin, if we ever come to that point. Thanks, Darylgolden(talk) Ping when replying 00:58, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- I disagree with most of this, but I take particular exception to your saying that James and Graeme are "WP:INVOLVED and should not be imposing editing restrictions themselves". That's just daft. This is not an issue that editors have an opinion on and it is certainly not a content dispute that requires WP:ANI. (There are at least three admins here already trying to uphold our policies and guidelines as it is). It's about the accuracy and verifiability of data. Furthermore, we have all patrolled recent pages and we don't need educating.Graham Beards (talk) 07:43, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Graham Beards: I agree that WP:INVOLVED was the wrong term to use. However, I maintain that editing restrictions (page bans) need to be properly discussed and only imposed with proper community consensus. A page ban is a type of ban. According to the banning policy, bans can be imposed
by community consensus, by the Arbitration Committee, or by administrators (in certain topic areas).
Those "certain topic areas" only refer to arbitration committee discretionary sanctions. Hence, page banning by admins without community consensus is not something that is supported by policy. Wikipedia:Banning_policy#Authority_to_ban also explicitly states that admins may not directly impose bans. Furthermore, I expect such bans to be controversial (I disagree with the severity of them) and urge the admins here to start a proper discussion to form a consensus to stay on the safe side (and the right side of policy). I also maintain that full protection is a step too far. While not explicitly written in WP:PROTECTION, it is my experience that most admins at WP:RPP only protect pages that have edits by a large number of users contributing to a significant net negative to the page. I believe that the contributions by non-admins here have been overwhelmingly net positive. Furthermore, even users who are not adding references are still editing in good faith, and will likely remember to do so if they are reminded. Individual disruptive users who do not cite sources even after repeated warning should be individually dealt with. Full protection should not be imposed just because recent changes patrollers and admins can't be bothered to deal with the minority (and I suspect, large minority) of edits that are unsourced. This is fundamentally opposed to our 'anyone can edit' philosophy. Darylgolden(talk) Ping when replying 09:56, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- Instead of using a BAN (which may not be available under policy since this is not under discretionary sanctions), how about a second warning will be issued. If problems continue the the page block can be done. But how many warnings over what period is appropriate? I would like to leave the page open to editing by as many as possible as most edits are constructive. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:30, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Graham Beards: I agree that WP:INVOLVED was the wrong term to use. However, I maintain that editing restrictions (page bans) need to be properly discussed and only imposed with proper community consensus. A page ban is a type of ban. According to the banning policy, bans can be imposed
- Two to three warnings seem reasonable to me. I think one warning is too little. I don't think there is such a thing as a "page block", only a page ban. If page restrictions are to be implemented, I think that a formal RfC should be held beforehand to properly access consensus and reduce controversy. Darylgolden(talk) Ping when replying 11:13, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- There is now a new partial block feature available for admins to use. Access to editing one page or several pages (or a whole name space) can be prevented. This is better than just blocking all edits a user can do, if there is an issue with only one page the editor is not addressing. I am proposing this sort of partial block for those that stubbornly ignore warnings. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:20, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- Then I stand corrected and think 2 to 3 warnings would be an appropriate amount. Thanks, Darylgolden(talk) Ping when replying 23:36, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- There is now a new partial block feature available for admins to use. Access to editing one page or several pages (or a whole name space) can be prevented. This is better than just blocking all edits a user can do, if there is an issue with only one page the editor is not addressing. I am proposing this sort of partial block for those that stubbornly ignore warnings. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:20, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- Two to three warnings seem reasonable to me. I think one warning is too little. I don't think there is such a thing as a "page block", only a page ban. If page restrictions are to be implemented, I think that a formal RfC should be held beforehand to properly access consensus and reduce controversy. Darylgolden(talk) Ping when replying 11:13, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Having the references inline (by the country name) and keeping it to one ref per row has helped IMO. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:42, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- Are there any suggestions for changes to the proposed edit notice? It could go in, without an agreement on what to do if not followed. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:49, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- I think we need to stress that the reference needs to be updated. Editors might think that because a source is given there is no need to add one. Graham Beards (talk) 12:56, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- OK I have altered the proposal above to say "update" rather than provide. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:31, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- On the negative side, the volume of edits on this page and other coronavirus pages is, I think, beyond the ability of any small group of editors/admins to review and evaluate. On the plus side, there does seem to be a small group of very active editors on this page so it would be less work to evaluate their work and see if they are generally reliable in their editing. And I think an edit notice would help. But, the worse problem is that while this is a crucially important page, at this point there are at least a hundred related pages (articles and templates) to this pandemic which do not receive the scrutiny this one does.Liz Read! Talk! 06:41, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- OK I have altered the proposal above to say "update" rather than provide. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:31, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- I think we need to stress that the reference needs to be updated. Editors might think that because a source is given there is no need to add one. Graham Beards (talk) 12:56, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
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Change the number of cases in India from 31 to 33. Divsome (talk) 07:00, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Our source says 31, do you have a source that says 33? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:16, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Florida
I believe there are fatalities in Florida per http://www.floridahealth.gov/diseases-and-conditions/COVID-19/ Anyone can add these to total, cause I'm not so sure who other 15(fatalities in U.S.) are? Thanks.!!! Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 07:35, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Number of tests
Adding a column for number of tests would be useful on this table. Sun Creator(talk) 13:36, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- To hard to keep it up to date as it is. Data missing for most places. What source would you use? Maybe a different table? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:20, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
- User:Sun Creator put some data here COVID-19_testing but not seeing a lot of sources. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:33, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for finding some data. In regards to keeping it up to date, it seems that the use of template prohibits non advance users from updating with the result of it being out of date. On previous templates I've created I've always added an edit button and talk button). Sun Creator(talk) 14:30, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- User:Sun Creator put some data here COVID-19_testing but not seeing a lot of sources. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:33, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- To hard to keep it up to date as it is. Data missing for most places. What source would you use? Maybe a different table? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:20, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Urgent Update required
Most of the confirmed case figures are a day old, urgent and prompt update is required. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackSun2104 (talk • contribs) 15:08, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
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6th confirmed case in Philippines. David Isaac C. M. (talk) 08:38, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Do you have a source for that? Agathoclea (talk) 08:45, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
https://www.rappler.com/nation/253696-doh-confirms-6th-case-coronavirus-philippines David Isaac C. M. (talk) 09:44, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Someone put it in already Agathoclea (talk) 15:18, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
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Recoveries in Spain is now 5, according to ref, 3 in Canary Islands, 1 in Castellón, 1 in Balearic Islands. 30 is a clear mistake, please change it. Mcsmp (talk) 13:55, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- I believe that the source says that recoveries are 30(translated)Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 15:16, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Not done Agathoclea (talk) 15:25, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
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Death count United States == 17 via washington post https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/07/coronavirus-live-updates/ 137.83.119.38 (talk) 09:36, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Done by somebody Agathoclea (talk) 15:27, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Attn: Germany , France and Switzerland
Germany, France and Switzerland confirmed case figures should be higher than what is already displayed in the table, urgent update required. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.74.163.85 (talk) 15:45, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- I presume that there are more countries and territories, not just Germany , France, and Switzerland are outdated. I wish I could do something about it, but I'm afraid I'd come across an edit conflict if I took just a minute or two editing. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 16:05, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Attn: addition error
The total worldwide confirmed case figure is incorrect, please correct asap. BlackSun2104 (talk) 15:50, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- @BlackSun2104: I guess we could automate this somehow? Like adding some templates to do the math automatically. Does that sound good? —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 15:56, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Is that technically possible? If so how. In a pure Wikipedia sense the totals are not sourced, and as such is a form of WP:SYNTH. So perhaps they could be removed? Sun Creator(talk) 16:00, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Removing them would be a drastic change and a huge loss for this template's main purpose. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 16:08, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- From a maintenance point of view, use of the Johns Hopkins CSSE source might be easiest. It won't necessarily match the sum of the rows but it will be sourced totals that is quite easy to check. Sun Creator(talk) 16:13, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Doc James: I saw this discussion above and do you think we could do something about this? —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 16:16, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Have edited to use source. Sun Creator(talk) 16:27, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Great! That kinda works, but the outdated rows are still here. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 16:31, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Have edited to use source. Sun Creator(talk) 16:27, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Doc James: I saw this discussion above and do you think we could do something about this? —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 16:16, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- From a maintenance point of view, use of the Johns Hopkins CSSE source might be easiest. It won't necessarily match the sum of the rows but it will be sourced totals that is quite easy to check. Sun Creator(talk) 16:13, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Removing them would be a drastic change and a huge loss for this template's main purpose. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 16:08, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Is that technically possible? If so how. In a pure Wikipedia sense the totals are not sourced, and as such is a form of WP:SYNTH. So perhaps they could be removed? Sun Creator(talk) 16:00, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Population numbers
Someone needs to change the population of Iceland. Ought to be around 360,000 instead of roughly 10 million which is the current number in the template. 130.208.157.163 (talk) 14:25, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- The whole column ought to be deleted as population is dynamic and changes every day. M nurhaikal (talk) 14:40, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Also, the current number (340 thousand) is wrong. Look at the page Iceland and see that the 2019 estimated population is around 364 thousand. 130.208.157.163 (talk) 14:49, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Nothing to worry about anymore, these columns are now removed, as it is hard to maintain. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 16:34, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Another navbar?
@Sun Creator: Is there a need for another navigation bar? I removed it earlier because I thought it was redundant, but tell me what you think. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 15:30, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- @HueMan1:. Now you mention, for the first time I see that there is two. In my opinion it's far better at the top. I've not seen templates with navbar at the bottom before. Will remove the duplicate. Sun Creator(talk) 15:33, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Sun Creator: I think it's better to keep it below since these links "History: China, others" are also part of the navigation. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 16:38, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- For visibility I consider the navbar better at the top. China and others seems to be part of the data information rather then about the template itself. Sun Creator(talk) 16:51, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Sun Creator: I think it's better to keep it below since these links "History: China, others" are also part of the navigation. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 16:38, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
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Saudi Arabia[1] KH561 (talk) 16:03, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Done with this edit. Sun Creator(talk) 17:01, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
References
Edit discussion: Make table "less tall" for better display on articles that use it
I've consolodated the "1 case, 0 deaths, 0 recoveries" into a single line at the bottom of the table in this sandbox revision (diff).
Benefits: Table takes less vertical real estate.
Costs: When a country reports a 2nd case, a death, or recovery it will need to be removed from that row and a new row created.
Another version that keeps the 4-column format is in this sandbox revision (diff).
Straw poll - which looks better?
- The first "Wide" version
- The second "keep existing columns" version
- Status quo, every country on its own row
davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 17:20, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Status quo for consistency. M nurhaikal (talk) 17:58, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Status quo, every country on its own row. To make the table shorter, could dived into two sections and have the lower section collapsed and uncollapsible. Sun Creator(talk)
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Iceland confirmed 45 to 50.
Source: Icelandic National Broadcasting Service (RÚV), "5 ný smit greind í dag - þar af 3 innanlands," url is https://www.ruv.is/frett/5-ny-smit-greind-i-dag-thar-af-3-innanlands (07.03.2020 - 16:03) Sylgja (talk) 18:36, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Done with this edit. Sun Creator(talk) 18:55, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
International conveyance
Why does the link point only to the section of the Diamond Princess? And how did the cases went from 706 down to 696? —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 14:56, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- regarding your first question, i don't know why it does, but i've attempted to resolve the issue.
- regarding your second question, it looks like some cases were counted twice. dying (talk) 16:17, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Dying: Thanks for the info. Naming the ships instead of referring them to as "international conveyance", are quite odd though. What does the sources say anyways? Like the WHO? —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 16:29, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- who's situation reports appear to use "International conveyance (Diamond Princess)" for the diamond princess, with no mention of the grand princess in the latest report dated 2020.03.07. there are arguments against using such terminology, though.
- the johns hopkins source we often cite uses "Others", while the bno news one we used to often cite uses the individual ship names (although the grand princess inexplicably seems to appear only under the "USA" tab, while the diamond princess appears in both "USA" and "World").
- looking at wikipedias of other languages, it looks like the practice there varies too, with france using the ship name and prefacing it with the word "Ship", ukraine using the ship name and prefacing it with a sailboat emoji and the phrase "Cruise liner", and japan using the phrase "International Transport" and prefacing it with a picture of a silhouette of a cruise ship (although obviously all those words in quotes are not to be taken literally, as they're written in their own respective languages).
- personally, i think we should currently use what would be most clear to most users when they glance at the list, as i believe it is currently being used most by users simply wanting a quick update of the situation, and not academicians doing historical research or web surfers going down a wiki rabbit hole like for most other articles. that's why i think we should use the ship names for now.
- actually, i think the silhouette used by japanese wikipedia is a good idea, so i might add that too. feel free to remove the silhouette if you disagree. i was debating using the british ensign earlier, but it didn't seem appropriate since it would add to the confusion of whether the cases were considered british. dying (talk) 17:20, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- okay, now that another ship, the ms river anuket, has been reported to have 45 confirmed cases, splitting the counts is looking less like a good idea. currently, having the ships on three different rows is still manageable and not that cluttered, so i'll keep it for now. any other opinions appreciated. dying (talk) 19:23, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Derivative values
The data for each country/territory is Confirmed cases, Deaths, Recoveries.
From which can be derived a number of desirable other values, like:
- Running % recovered
- Running % died
- Running % currently ill
- Current fatality rate (deaths)/(deaths+recoveries)
- Cases per million (with population data)
Over time we can also have delta cases/deaths/recoveries/patients
I made a spreadsheet that illustrates this
These calculations can be generated automatically from data, and there could be a derivative page based on daily snapshots of this template.--jax (talk) 14:32, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Hello jax. Excellent table. Could you please Freeze the Top Row? Here's info on how to do it: https://support.google.com/docs/answer/9060449?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en --AAAAA (talk) 19:24, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Czech Republic
The Czech Republic has confirmed 21 cases. Can anybody update it? --Robins7 (talk) 19:23, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Robins7:. Source? Sun Creator(talk) 19:27, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
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It will be easier to digest the amount of countries affected by actually providing the number instead of the word "totals" StickyKeys (talk) 18:09, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Dannelsluc:, have amended to say "Total of 98 territories". Problem is that the claim is unsourced and according to my manual checking incorrect! Sun Creator(talk) 19:03, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Sun Creator: I understand your concerns. It isn't a problem if it remains totals. I get it. StickyKeys (talk) 19:36, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Confirmed case in Holy See
The WHO have reported (https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200307-sitrep-47-covid-19.pdf) one case, as it doesn't appear as a seperate row on the template; is this included in some other territory/region? Sun Creator(talk) 19:09, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- This seems to have been listed under Vatican City tally? Ncmvocalist (talk) 19:34, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, thanks for that! Sun Creator(talk) 19:36, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
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corona cases in germany is now 799 77.191.163.212 (talk) 18:20, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Declined as no source provided. Sun Creator(talk) 18:31, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- In any case, the update was actioned here before the request was made. Ncmvocalist (talk) 19:45, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
First case in Moldova
On 7 March, the first case has been confirmed in the Republic of Moldova, a 48-year-old woman returned from Italy.
"BREAKING NEWS// Primul caz de coronavirus depistat în Republica Moldova. O femeie de 48 de ani, infectată" [BREAKING NEWS// First coronavirus case detected in Republic of Moldova. A 48-year-old woman, infected]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Catalinandrei7 (talk • contribs) 19:30, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Done. thanks for providing a source. dying (talk) 19:53, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Consistency required and Recommended Source
Most of the confirmed case figures has serious inconsistencies. This is a much better and updated source : https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.74.163.85 (talk) 17:38, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- This is a more reputable source https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:24, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Deleting references without reason
For the U.S. I've added a few times addition of Florida two deaths and Doc James has deleted the references. Would like an explanation. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3A2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_outbreak_data&type=revision&diff=944440367&oldid=944437670 Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 21:55, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- User:Daniel.Cardenas the number for total cases was supported here[6] But I guess it does not yet support the additional two deaths. So restored that ref until it does. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:20, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the explanation. Changing subjects: This U.S. tracker looks well done and up to date: https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 22:23, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- User:Daniel.Cardenas the number for total cases was supported here[6] But I guess it does not yet support the additional two deaths. So restored that ref until it does. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:20, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
New columns tough to mantain
Can we remove the new 3 columns as is hard to mantain ,leading to inaccurate data M nurhaikal (talk) 14:23, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- These columns should be removed immediately. The number of cases changes rapidly and it is hard to calculate those numbers for every change. M4DU7 (talk) 14:36, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
I agree. M nurhaikal (talk) 14:41, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Yes, it is unnecessary and very difficult to update. Should be removed. Mayankj429 (talk) 14:48, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Remove, this is not right place for these data. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 14:50, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
agreed. it's difficult enough for us to maintain just the totals, as it is. removed. please let me know if i've made a mistake. dying (talk) 14:59, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello M nurhaikal, M4DU7, hueman1 and dying: I would like to humbly ask you to reconsider and let me add again the columns that you removed. I think it's very useful for everybody looking at this page to see the percentage of resolved cases (D+R)/C and the Cases per million. I know it's a little bit extra work, but it's not so difficult to use a calculator and just make a couple divisions each time you update a quantity anywhere. Wikipedia exists to inform the world. Theres numbers will give an idea of how far out is the outbreak in each country and how does each country compare in the severity of the outbreak compared to the population. Please reconsider. --AAAAA (talk) 17:45, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi. While I agree that its useful. It's not the also impractical given how rapid the figures change. This will lead to inaccurate data most of the times. As such, I disagree on the additions. Perhaps once the outbreak has reached its peak and dying down, you could add them in. M nurhaikal (talk) 17:49, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Hello M nurhaikal. Thank you for replying. Although I respect your position, I really don't think that it's "impractical". Any time any number is changed in the number of cases, deaths or recoveries, you only need to make a couple divisions for (D+R)/C and Cases per Million. It's not that hard. And I think that NOW, when outbreaks are starting in some countries, it's essential to show those numbers so users can compare how their country fares compared to other countries. (D+R)/C is a decent indicator of how far along the outbreak is (once there is sufficient data) and Cases per million shows actual severity to the population. Also, look at this chart on China, which has plenty of ratios: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_outbreak_data/China_medical_cases. So, once more, please reconsider. --AAAAA (talk) 19:15, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- Support keeping this simplier. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:29, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Updating the cases
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Could you change Singapore's number of recoveries to 90? (ref) P.S. The above link is from the Singapore government Thx Wuhan2019 (talk) 01:35, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Do we need an edit notice for this talk page?
We are getting a lot of requested edits, some without citations.
Do we need an edit-notice alerting people to provide a citation?
- Please see the #Full protection versus selectively removing peoples ability to edit section which has a proposed edit notice. You are welcome to change the proposal or talk about it. It is a good idea to sign your question too. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:44, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Territories
I have a question. Since I'm not that good in geography, can you tell me what is the guideline for territories? For example, the Faroe Islands(FO) was previously included as individual territory, but now it is included in another country. Thank you. Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 14:56, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- Faroe Islands is certainly in the category of a territory, being a piece of land. We should discuss this on this talk page. Should it be listed separately or not? A similar issue applies to Gibraltar, and French overseas regions. It is our decision as editors. If we split them up, then we have to be very careful about what sources are saying the case numbers are in the ruling countries, as most add these remote places in. But for mapping purposes it becomes misleading. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:41, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- I found out that WHO reports started to split the countries/territories/areas. Why don't we follow WHO's guildlines since it's official?Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 00:10, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
WHO and John Hopkins report thede territories separately. Im for the opinion that we should follow them. It would be easier to track. M nurhaikal (talk) 17:04, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
I really think that it should be separated because if Taiwan Hong Kong and Macau have I think the same applies to this. Putian Ye (talk) 21:28, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Grand Princess
There are now 21 cases of COVID-19 on the Grand Princess, so how will we reflect this? we could (1) make it international conveyances and add them on, and change the foot note to list the vessels involved; (2) put in a separate row, and name the ships in the table. (3) Add into USA, although that would be inconsistent. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:45, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- i decided to put them in separate rows. i agree that adding them to united states would be inconsistent, and from what i can tell, adding the counts together would currently make it confusing as most users may be unsure as to whether the count was just of the diamond princess (and a higher-than-expected number was due to an update) or of all international conveyance. splitting the count makes it unambiguous at a glance. please feel free to undo this decision if my reasoning is incorrect, outdated (such as when the numbers stabilize), or (unfortunately) more ships appear on this list. dying (talk) 16:07, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- That looks good. I note when sorting by country they all appear under "c" for cruise ship. how would you like them to be sorted? (could be Anuket (or River), Diamond, Grand). Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:36, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Speedy Revert The name Diamond Princess on the table should be to change back to international conveyances as WP:CON was never concluded in the first place. A editor just went ahead and secretly changed. Regice2020 (talk) 06:50, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Peru 6
https://ojo.pe/actualidad/se-confirma-cinco-nuevos-casos-de-coronavirus-en-el-peru-web-ojo-noticia/ Please add the source. I can't update now~~ Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 05:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Already done as your update worked here. Ncmvocalist (talk) 07:19, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Diamond Princess
Why we can't merge Diamond Princess with Japan as it was in this table long before? Mainland Japan has much more cases now, so it won't be overwhelming anymore. --GreenZeb (talk) 10:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Because for the case of Diamond Princess, WHO and John Hopkins report them separately. The ship happened to be near Japan so WHO requested for it to be quarantined in Japan. M nurhaikal (talk) 10:31, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
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Costa Rica Edacunav (talk) 10:29, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- I updated this recently. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:50, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Attn : required update
South Korea and Iran confirmed case figures should be updated by now BlackSun2104 (talk) 11:09, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- I updated these recently when comparing the JHMap. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:51, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Grand Princesss
On the confirmed cases,death, recovered table - Grand Princess is not Diamond Princess and should be renamed to proper name which is cruse ships. Regice2020 (talk) 05:46, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Each cruise ship has its own entry in the table. I do agree that Grand Princess is not Diamond Princess, but you will see the statistics are separately listed. We discussed this above/previously on this talk page. #Grand Princess and #International conveyance. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:02, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- And now someone has merged Grand Princess with US. This does not look to be a good idea. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:55, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
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i would like to edit please. 193.119.112.97 (talk) 11:18, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Editing of this template is currently restricted to established users. Sun Creator(talk) 11:29, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- So please say what you would like to change here, and others will consider and make the change for you—if they like your suggestion. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:53, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Iraqi official in the Karkh health directorate in Baghdad has announced that 6 patients of corona virus have been recovered, this link is reliable news agency in Iraq. it is in Arabic: https://www.alsumaria.tv/news/%D9%85%D8%AD%D9%84%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%AA/336672/alsumarianews?fbclid=IwAR3KuVYOiX4BYgcJ1m8ZpT-JYPhzZ6dQEH9PXyJMrD392hPQye-CYsbfDiY
Someone should edit the template to reflect this update. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Love iraq (talk • contribs) 11:58, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Gilbratar
- Gibraltar, as I understand is a British overseas territory. So the count shouldn't be included in Spain. I've noticed it bering added into Spain's count. M nurhaikal (talk) 11:11, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Why Don't we add Gibraltar like Faroe Island? Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 12:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- By the way, I like the new format!Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 12:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
U.S. source
I found this source, which concludes that U.S.'s the number of confirmed cases is 461 https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en Does this include Grand Princess???Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 12:37, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
French overseas regions
French Guiana, Martinique, Saint Martin and Saint Barthélémy being French regions, which are integral part of the country, their confirmed cases are already counted in France's count. See official report from the French national public health agency: COVID-19 : Point épidémiologique – Situation au 7 mars 2020 (santepubliquefrance.fr) Hence I'm deleting the autonomous entry as that makes a double count. Metropolitan (talk) 13:03, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Public Note for Territories
I suggest making a public note for territories because some people might be confused comparing Wikipedia with WHO reports. Can anyone do that? Thanks, Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 13:56, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Yes please. Its confusing really these territories. Gibraltar and Faroe Island is not included in their countries' count under WHO and John Hopkins Map yet I've been told that it is included. M nurhaikal (talk) 14:01, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
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Sweden has 189 now. Source: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/utrikes/senaste-nytt-om-coronaviruset Fabben (talk) 12:43, 8 March 2020 (UTC) Fabben (talk) 12:43, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Not done as higher figure was added here. Ncmvocalist (talk) 14:21, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
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Update table for the Netherlands: 265 cases. 3 deaths in total. Reference: https://www.rivm.nl/nieuws/actuele-informatie-over-coronavirus Jan Vlug (talk) 13:31, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Already done here. Ncmvocalist (talk) 14:21, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
MS Anuket
On the Egypt article those figures are included. Is that really an "international conveyance" as declared by the WHO, or are we making that up because listing cruiseships is better clickbait? Agathoclea (talk) 07:15, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- It appears that that the rationale is somewhere in the following passages:
i decided to put them in separate rows. i agree that adding them to united states would be inconsistent, and from what i can tell, adding the counts together would currently make it confusing as most users may be unsure as to whether the count was just of the diamond princess (and a higher-than-expected number was due to an update) or of all international conveyance. splitting the count makes it unambiguous at a glance. please feel free to undo this decision if my reasoning is incorrect, outdated (such as when the numbers stabilize), or (unfortunately) more ships appear on this list. dying (talk) 16:07, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
who's situation reports appear to use "International conveyance (Diamond Princess)" for the diamond princess, with no mention of the grand princess in the latest report dated 2020.03.07. there are arguments against using such terminology, though. the johns hopkins source we often cite uses "Others", while the bno news one we used to often cite uses the individual ship names (although the grand princess inexplicably seems to appear only under the "USA" tab, while the diamond princess appears in both "USA" and "World"). looking at wikipedias of other languages, it looks like the practice there varies too, with france using the ship name and prefacing it with the word "Ship", ukraine using the ship name and prefacing it with a sailboat emoji and the phrase "Cruise liner", and japan using the phrase "International Transport" and prefacing it with a picture of a silhouette of a cruise ship (although obviously all those words in quotes are not to be taken literally, as they're written in their own respective languages). personally, i think we should currently use what would be most clear to most users when they glance at the list, as i believe it is currently being used most by users simply wanting a quick update of the situation, and not academicians doing historical research or web surfers going down a wiki rabbit hole like for most other articles. that's why i think we should use the ship names for now. actually, i think the silhouette used by japanese wikipedia is a good idea, so i might add that too. feel free to remove the silhouette if you disagree. i was debating using the british ensign earlier, but it didn't seem appropriate since it would add to the confusion of whether the cases were considered british. dying (talk) 17:20, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
okay, now that another ship, the ms river anuket, has been reported to have 45 confirmed cases, splitting the counts is looking less like a good idea. currently, having the ships on three different rows is still manageable and not that cluttered, so i'll keep it for now. any other opinions appreciated. dying (talk) 19:23, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
- I don't think it's appropriate to split the figures between Egypt and the cruise line. Sources are combining the ship and land count for Egypt, which I suppose is why the Egypt article combines those figures. If we split the figures by ship and land, our table will appear to be lower than the total number in the "country or territory" (the heading in the table). For this reason, I have just joined the ship figures with the land figures as you can see here as this seems to be a more accurate measure.
- That said, whether we should even refer to the ship name and link is something that warrants more comments before removal. I think it's sufficient to only refer to Egypt; what do others think? Ncmvocalist (talk) 08:11, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Well MS River Anuket is not really an international conveyance, as it is only operating in Egypt. So this probably can be counted as "Egypt". But the other two princess line ships are international. Personally I don't like using the term "international conveyance" as it is harder to understand. We could just use "cruise ships" or just "ships" if we do want to group them. If we have less than about 5 of them, then our table can support a row per ship. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Yes the "international conveyance" description does not make things simple; I suppose it comes off of a WHO report.
Meanwhile, Nguyen QuocTrung has reverted my change without discussing it here or checking whether his explanation, to "prevent double counting", was actually consistent with reality.Ncmvocalist (talk) 09:47, 8 March 2020 (UTC) Struck prior comment as the edit in question appears to be consistent with the discussion here in any case. Ncmvocalist (talk) 14:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC) - The issue is, how does WHO group them. That would tell us if we have a row for them. That said, I think mentioning the ships as included in a particular country helps against confusion and saves us from prolonged mathematical experiments. As long as the diamond is the only ic counted by the WHO then it makes sense to name it. But in principle ships have no place on a per country table. The Diamond is a special case though, as no country wanted its figures included. Agathoclea (talk) 09:57, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Yes the "international conveyance" description does not make things simple; I suppose it comes off of a WHO report.
- Well MS River Anuket is not really an international conveyance, as it is only operating in Egypt. So this probably can be counted as "Egypt". But the other two princess line ships are international. Personally I don't like using the term "international conveyance" as it is harder to understand. We could just use "cruise ships" or just "ships" if we do want to group them. If we have less than about 5 of them, then our table can support a row per ship. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
MS Anuket aand Grand Princess should be listed separately, just like how WHO and John Jopkin are doing. M nurhaikal (talk) 11:47, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- I can see you have moved the Diamond Princess numbers to a separate section in your edit here. That is consistent with the above. However, the territories section would warrant a separate discussion - which is occurring elsewhere on this page possibly. Ncmvocalist (talk) 14:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
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2 more confirmed cases in Poland. [8], [9] --Natanieluz (talk) 15:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
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Latvia has its 3rd case Change the case in Latvia from 2 to 3 80.70.23.57 (talk) 19:49, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- What is the source for this change? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:42, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
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Update US cases from 490 to 497, per source currently cited NathanHollister (talk) 18:52, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- USA figures have gone past that already, and do we know if Grand Princess is in or not? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:44, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
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I would like to add a reference to the Italian cases: [1]. It is the Italian Protezione Civile's map regarding the COVID-19 cases in Italy, in a national, regional and provincial level. Lorenzo Diana (talk) 20:59, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
References
- ^ "COVID-19 ITALIA". opendatadpc.maps.arcgis.com. Retrieved 2020-03-08.
- I have added it in. See if others think it is worth while for this table. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:49, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
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Another 3 cases in Poland confirmed few minutes ago, total of 11 as of 8 March 19:35 UTC. So, change 8 to 11 cases in Poland.[10] [11] Natanieluz (talk) 19:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Already updated from JHMap, thank you. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:52, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
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- Poland already updated to 11. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:54, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
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Iceland 50 to 58.
Source: Þrír farþegar úr Veróna fluginu smitaðir af COVID-19, https://www.ruv.is/frett/thrir-farthegar-ur-verona-fluginu-smitadir-af-covid-19, The Icelandic National Broadcasting Service (RÚV) 08.03.2020 - 20:21 Sylgja (talk) 21:12, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- I have updated Iceland for you. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:09, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
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Slovakia has 5 confirmed cases and not 3. (2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_Slovakia is already updated.) Rudolf Adamkovic (talk) 21:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Done To reply, copy and paste this:
{{replyto|Can I Log In}}(Talk) 22:14, 8 March 2020 (UTC) - Also @Adamkovic:, I would ask you for future request to cite your sources with secondary sources and not wikipedia articles because they are not fact checked. I did find sources to confirm your reqeust, but please put theme in your future reuqest. To reply, copy and paste this:
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Israel new cases
Israel had 14 new cases in 8.3.2020 Including the 25 cases from previous days, the number of cases currently is 39 cases. מלך הצבים (talk) 20:57, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Yes. I've updated the figures. M nurhaikal (talk) 23:07, 8 March 2020 (UTC)