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WikiCup 2018 November newsletter
The WikiCup is over for another year! Our Champion this year is 
Courcelles (submissions), who over the course of the competition has amassed 147 GAs, 111 GARs, 9 DYKs, 4 FLs and 1 ITN. Our finalists were as follows:
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- Kosack (submissions) wins the FL prize, for five featured lists overall.
Cartoon network freak (submissions) wins the topic prize, for 30 articles in good topics overall.- Usernameunique (submissions) wins the DYK prize, for 24 did you know articles in round 3.
Zanhe (submissions) wins the ITN prize, for 17 in the news articles overall.
Aoba47 (submissions) wins the GAR prize, for 43 good article reviews in round 1.
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Source referring to itself, a big no-no?
Hi, Abductive. I'm puzzled by your objection here. The idea that there are 32 symbol types is an analytical conclusion of von Petzinger, and should be described as her view rather than presented as a bare fact in Wikipedia's neutral voice, per WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV. Kanguole 11:40, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- Every single sentence in the article doesn't mention the names of the researchers except that one. How do you explain that? Abductive (reasoning) 17:53, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- When we are reporting the scholarly consensus about something, we don't name the source we cite. If we mention one person's theory, we need to identify it as such, as explained at ATTRIBUTEPOV. Your edit inappropriately recasts von Petzinger's theory as a statement of fact. Kanguole 18:02, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
Ranks in taxonomy templates
Hi, it's always good to see the creation of more taxonomy templates to expand the automated taxobox system. Just a reminder that rank values should be lower-case Latin (Category:Taxonomy templates using capitalized rank parameters tracks templates that need to be fixed, which I do most days – 8 fixed just now). As far as I know, the system works ok with capitalized rank values, because internally it converts them to lower-case, but the size and complexity of the automated taxobox system and the fact that it gets added to from time to time all mean that it's not possible to guarantee that every use of the rank parameter will work with a value that begins with an upper-case letter. Peter coxhead (talk) 07:08, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- I was wondering about that. I'll keep them lower case. Abductive (reasoning) 07:10, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks! Keep up the good work! Peter coxhead (talk) 07:26, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Coordinates
Hi there! Thanks for your edits to the coordinates at The Cock. Could you let me know the method you use to identify and format location coordinates? I usually find the location on Google Maps and copy the coordinates from there, but those were the ones you said were too precise; would be glad to learn another way! Thanks, Armadillopteryxtalk 00:29, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
POWO template
If you want a temporary "fix", you can use {{subst:User:Peter coxhead/POWO|taxon=TAXON|auth=AUTH|id=ID|style=stop}} for species and genera. This automatically adds the ref tags and the access date; use "comma" instead of "stop" for CS2 style citations. Thus {{subst:User:Peter coxhead/POWO|taxon=Prunus|auth=L.|id=30003057-2|style=comma}} generates <ref name="POWO_30003057-2">{{citation |title=''Prunus'' L. |work=Plants of the World Online |publisher=Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew|url=http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:30003057-2 |accessdate=2020-06-25 }}</ref>. Peter coxhead (talk) 06:36, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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Fern classification
Since the classification of ferns differs dramatically between sources, we had to choose one for article titles and hence species lists, and so, as noted in previous discussions at WP:PLANTS, etc., we use the PPG I system as set out in the Checklist of Ferns and Lycophytes of the World. In this system, Trichomanes is one of eight genera in the subfamily Trichomanoideae, and we have articles on the other seven. Other sources, like PoWO, treat Trichomanes as the only genus in the subfamily, so subsume all the other seven genera into this one. Hence the two approaches have very different sets of synonyms for the genus, which cannot be mixed together. We need to use the same source/circumscription for the genus synonyms as for the species lists, otherwise we end up listing as synonyms genera for which we have articles, which is inconsistent. The list of synonyms you put at Trichomanes did just that because it was obviously based on the "lumping" approach.
The article text must, of course, discuss the two approaches, as it does. Peter coxhead (talk) 06:00, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- I have a little project to create an article or a redirect for all genera that start with F. I'll take a bit more care with ferns. What source is the best for diatoms and algae? Abductive (reasoning) 06:21, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry, I don't know. (I ended up working on ferns largely by accident – they aren't of great interest to me. "Bulbs" and spiders are my real areas of interest and amateur expertise.) Peter coxhead (talk) 06:38, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- Wikipedia more or less follows Algaebase's classification of algae. Coverage of species level synonymies on Algaebase isn't great. Because of this, Algaebase's list of species in a genus may be more a list of published names (a la IPNI) rather than accepted names (a la POWO). But there may not be a good alternative to Algaebase outside of digging through more primary literature (WoRMS derives their algae classification mostly from Algaebase). I've worked through Chlorophyta, red algae, and non-diatom Ochrophyta pretty well (and also cyanobacteria); all but a handful of existing articles should have taxonomy templates, and lists of subordinate taxa in family and higher level articles should adhere pretty closely to Algaebase. Charophyta, diatoms and dinoflagellates are the big alga lineages I haven't tackled yet. I'm not yet sure what ranks these groups should take. I did some work on diatoms recently and have a handle on what the options are at least. The diatom taxobox treats them as a class, while the Classification treats them as including three classes. Algaebase follows a 2016 classification by Medlin. Medlin treats diatoms as a Division (render as Phylum on Algaebase), including classes Bacillariophyceae, Coscinodiscophyceae and Mediophyceae and a subclass Fragilariophycidae in Bacillariophyceae. However, at least for diatoms, there is an alternative to Algaebase: Diatombase]. Diatombase provides the diatom classification used by WoRMS. Diatombase treats diatoms as a Class, including subclasses Bacillariophycidae, Coscinodiscophycidae, and Fragilariophycidae, which follows a treatment published in 2015 (there's a copy of this in the library at my institution, but I haven't examined it yet and I don't know when the library will reopen). At present, Wikipedia's diatom classification isn't consistent with either system. I'd been wanting to seek further input about whether to treat diatoms as a class or division/phylum. I'll probably get a better response by asking this on your talk page than at WP:ALGAE (although WP:TOL would be better yet). Diatoms: Class or Division? Peter coxhead? Anybody else? Plantdrew (talk) 01:46, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
WikiCup 2020 July newsletter
The third round of the 2020 WikiCup has now come to an end. The 16 users who made it into the fourth round each had at least 353 points (compared to 68 in 2019). It was a highly competitive round, and a number of contestants were eliminated who would have moved on in earlier years. Our top scorers in round 3 were:
Epicgenius, with one featured article, 28 good articles and 17 DYKs, amassing 1836 points
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Gog the Mild, a first time contestant, with 1540 points, a tally built largely on 4 featured articles and related bonus points.
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I have no interest in fighting over this, and I don't have access to that journal, but my source, that I can read, says "Democrats". If you read such journals you know as well as I do that many Democrats were indeed White supremacist killers, and that such killings were common in order to prevent Blacks from voting (for Republicans). Drmies (talk) 02:25, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
You removed the NYT source calling it "asinine" to compare, however there's other info in the NYT piece too. While it is not a direct comparison, and I don't know that comparing it to a liger is useful in the WP article, that NYT article could be used for lots of information which could be added aside from the liger comparison. I'm just confirming that you would be okay with me using it as a source for other information still. Also, potentially saying something along the lines of "the NYT compared this hybrid to the more well known liger big cat hybrid" or something. Thanks. bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 14:23, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
- It is not Wikipedia's job to parrot clueless reporters' moronic statements. Abductive (reasoning) 16:06, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
- It actually is. Wikipedia relies on what reliable sources say, not on what your own research/opinion of the topic is. I think it's quite a non-issue though, as the only thing I plan to add that directly references "liger" is the comparison to ligers, mules, and other hybrids as sterile to further expand upon the sterility expectation for this hybrid fish. The title itself and a direct comparison to the liger I agree should not be in the WP article, but that does not mean it cannot be used as a source. And when used as a source, we are obligated to report the title of the source in the reference. If you have a problem with the source itself, please feel free to contact the NYTimes corrections department requesting they review the title. Apologies for my unclear beginning statement which may have made you think I would be directly adding the comparison made in the title, which I agree would be WP:UNDUE. bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 16:16, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
- Please forgive the tone at the beginning of the prior comment - coffee hadn't kicked in fully yet. I've also nominated this at DYK with credit given to you as well for your assistance in the current expansion. Any help you can give in further expanding/improving the article would be greatly appreciated. bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 17:04, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
- It actually is. Wikipedia relies on what reliable sources say, not on what your own research/opinion of the topic is. I think it's quite a non-issue though, as the only thing I plan to add that directly references "liger" is the comparison to ligers, mules, and other hybrids as sterile to further expand upon the sterility expectation for this hybrid fish. The title itself and a direct comparison to the liger I agree should not be in the WP article, but that does not mean it cannot be used as a source. And when used as a source, we are obligated to report the title of the source in the reference. If you have a problem with the source itself, please feel free to contact the NYTimes corrections department requesting they review the title. Apologies for my unclear beginning statement which may have made you think I would be directly adding the comparison made in the title, which I agree would be WP:UNDUE. bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 16:16, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
- In this edit you removed a NYT source for a much smaller source that didn't directly replace the sourcing for many of the statements the NYT was used as a source for, but you non-discriminately changed all NYT sources to the new source. I've reverted this because you have misrepresented the information in the scimag source and left many statements that had a valid, reliable source in the NYT without a source. Your personal distaste with the title/quality of the NYT article doesn't give you the right to remove it as a source for information, especially when you replace it with a source that doesn't include the information you're citing with the new source. The NYT source meets WP:RS, and your personal beliefs about language/"the truth" do not matter when it is verifiable in a reliable source. If you continue to remove this reliable source, and especially if you again replace it with a source that does not meet WP:V for information, I will seek administrator intervention. bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 15:49, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
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WikiCup 2019 March newsletter
And so ends the first round of the competition. Everyone with a positive score moves on to Round 2. With 56 contestants qualifying, each group in Round 2 contains seven contestants, with the two leaders from each group due to qualify for Round 3 as well as the top sixteen remaining contestants.
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WikiCup 2020 September newsletter
The fourth round of the competition has finished, with 865 points being required to qualify for the final round, nearly twice as many points as last year. It was a hotly competitive round with two contestants with 598 and 605 points being eliminated, and all but two of the contestants who reached the final round having achieved an FA during the round. The highest scorers were
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Coordinates
Regarding this edit, yeah, I know, that's a problem. What I generally do is pull up the location on Google Maps and copy-paste the lat-long from the URL bar. I'd love to see some kind of software support which automates this repetitive and error-prone task. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:07, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
- I use Wikimapia which allows toggling between Google, Bing and OSM. It has a reticle and constantly displays the coordinates which can be easily copied. Abductive (reasoning) 20:24, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
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Little question
Hi Abductive, two questions really. I note you've sicced a bot on Protea foliosa in this diff. here. Thing is, I had another draft floating around. I can/have easily copy & paste your changes to the draft. First off this: |last1= vs. |last=, does that really matter? I don't see a difference in how it renders the page. Second this: Category:Taxonbars desynced from Wikidata, what does that mean? I don't see anything changed in the 'taxonbar'. Succinctly, if I c&p your changes to the old draft, will I screw something up? Cheers, Leo Breman (talk) 22:19, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Leo Breman: The bot makes changes based on whatever the guys who maintain it think are correct. I suspect that there may be an effort to systematize the collection of data from Wikipedia articles. The changes the bot makes are supposed to be for our convenience, so c&p if you like. People are activating Citation bot on 100s of articles at a time, so eventually the edits will be made. As for taxonbars desynced from Wikidata, if the article is not listed on Wikidata, towards the bottom, it is desynced. After I create an article, I click on the Wikidata link in the taxonbar, check I got the correct Q number, and add my article to the list of Wikipedias. Or you can just wait for the bot on Wikidata to do it. Abductive (reasoning) 03:36, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Right, I get what you're saying. Thanks for the explanation. I'll double-check that last part when I'm done. Leo Breman (talk) 10:44, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
What are you trying to do?
You are running citation bot using the linked pages API. What is your goal? AManWithNoPlan (talk) 14:19, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
- @AManWithNoPlan: Well, there is a war heating up there, so the articles involved needed maintenance. That option appeared a few days ago, so I assumed it was ready for primetime. Is it conflicting with what you are trying to do? You can shut it off if need be, the remaining edits are not important to me. Abductive (reasoning) 16:56, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
- Not really a big problem (just making sure that you were not accidentally using it). In the the future, you might try to limit to one linked page at a time. For some reason, the bot loses connection with many (all?) peoples web browser during long-runs, so you have you to actually watch the bots contributions page to see when it is done. To help control it, I will change it so that it only runs on "User:" space articles so that people think about it a bit more, or maybe copy and paste all several articles into a single temporary User: sandbox page. That will keep that bot from running over the same page several times (I assume that some of the pages are linked from more than one page). AManWithNoPlan (talk) 17:49, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
- @AManWithNoPlan: Interesting. I close the activation page after I start a run. Abductive (reasoning) 18:12, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
- I do not blame you for closing it. It does not provide any output. It is supposed to, be we switched to a high-performance server and now it does not give output until done and naturally, your web-browser gives up anyway. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 18:20, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
- @AManWithNoPlan: Interesting. I close the activation page after I start a run. Abductive (reasoning) 18:12, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
- Not really a big problem (just making sure that you were not accidentally using it). In the the future, you might try to limit to one linked page at a time. For some reason, the bot loses connection with many (all?) peoples web browser during long-runs, so you have you to actually watch the bots contributions page to see when it is done. To help control it, I will change it so that it only runs on "User:" space articles so that people think about it a bit more, or maybe copy and paste all several articles into a single temporary User: sandbox page. That will keep that bot from running over the same page several times (I assume that some of the pages are linked from more than one page). AManWithNoPlan (talk) 17:49, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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question for you about citation bot
I have no problem with you running on categories, but it seems like they are sometimes odd choices, such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Pages_with_duplicate_reference_names and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Pages_with_math_errors These are not things that the bot can fix. It does run over a bunch of random pages, which is a good thing, but still curious why. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 14:47, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- I will admit that such categories do often imply a poorly maintained page that could probably use some bot-love. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 15:05, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Exactly. I'm looking for ways to improve articles. It's even possible that by the bot calling out these issues in the edit summary, human editors might take notice and try to fix the issue. Abductive (reasoning) 15:58, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- That's actually a cool approach. "Fixing X and Y, but leaving Z unfixed" :-) AManWithNoPlan (talk) 16:23, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Please wait until one category is done before starting the next at this point, so others can use the bot too. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 16:26, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- That's actually a cool approach. "Fixing X and Y, but leaving Z unfixed" :-) AManWithNoPlan (talk) 16:23, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Exactly. I'm looking for ways to improve articles. It's even possible that by the bot calling out these issues in the edit summary, human editors might take notice and try to fix the issue. Abductive (reasoning) 15:58, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
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Move review for Lekki massacre
An editor has asked for a Move review of Lekki massacre. Because you closed the move discussion for this page, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the move review. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 00:00, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Snow close at Lekki Massacre
Would you be willing to reopen your NAC at Talk:Lekki Massacre? A majority of the keep !votes are from SPAs who are using WP:OR to justify their position. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 23:24, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
- They're SPAs because they are Nigerians who never felt the utge to edit Wikipedia until they saw that move banner. Abductive (reasoning) 00:26, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, I understand that. But as SPAs, they are most likely unaware of WP:NCEVENTS, which states that the year should be present in the title and that
If there is a particular common name for the event, it should be used even if it implies a controversial point of view.
Most of the keep !votes used WP:OR as their rationale. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 03:20, 24 October 2020 (UTC)- It would be best to wait a few months to revist the issue. Abductive (reasoning) 17:50, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- I suggest you reopen the RM since it was not by definition a SNOW closure and so should be allowed to run at least seven days. When you do that we will be able to close the move review procedurally. P.I. Ellsworth ed. put'r there 13:20, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- I'm aligned with an immediate re-opening of the RM. The fact that many or some people refer to it as a massacre doesn't make it so. Has it been verified that the soldiers shot at the protesters or in the air? Do the facts available confirm that more than 2 people died? Is the evidence clear that the 2 deaths are from gunshot wounds? Until there's irrefutable evidence of a massacre, I don't think we should call it so. "Lekki Shootings" seems as accurate as it gets for now.--Bioye (talk) 13:32, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- I suggest you reopen the RM since it was not by definition a SNOW closure and so should be allowed to run at least seven days. When you do that we will be able to close the move review procedurally. P.I. Ellsworth ed. put'r there 13:20, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- It would be best to wait a few months to revist the issue. Abductive (reasoning) 17:50, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, I understand that. But as SPAs, they are most likely unaware of WP:NCEVENTS, which states that the year should be present in the title and that
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Thanks!
Thanks for your Citation bot help on Jiz Lee! What do you think of the article's recent expansion and improvements? Right cite (talk) 13:02, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
- Let's continue talk page discussion here due to a stalker. I took your suggestions to heart. What do you think of this now [1]? Better? Right cite (talk) 23:07, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
- I made some minor adjustments. Abductive (reasoning) 00:17, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
- Abductive, looks good, thank you! Right cite (talk) 00:26, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
- I made some minor adjustments. Abductive (reasoning) 00:17, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Copyrights
Hi! Spot checking some links added in this[2] edit, some links appear to be to copyright violations on semanticscholar (e.g. to a PDF downloaded from JSTOR of this). Is this right? Alexbrn (talk) 07:09, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
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Watling Street coordinates
What was inappropriate about giving a set of coordinates for a point on this route? Wikipedia:WikiProject Geographical coordinates/Linear is a bit vague on best practice, but some form of geolocation seems better than none. --Lord Belbury (talk) 12:21, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
- A route map would be best. Coordinates at some random point along the street are inappropriate. Abductive (reasoning) 12:57, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
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Don't replace publication-place
Hi Abductive, in this edit ([3]) you changed a |publication-place= parameter into a |location= parameter in a citation. Please don't do that, they are not the same. By changing the parameter you are invalidating the information in the citation. |publication-place= is, obviously, for the publication place, and |location= is for the written-at-place. (The mixup is likely because in the past |location= was a parameter used for both.) Thanks. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 09:13, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
- I have passed your complaint on to the Citation bot's talk page. Abductive (reasoning) 09:32, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
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- Forevertruthsayer has been blocked Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Waskerton/Archive. Your edits seem appropriate. Travelmite (talk) 10:08, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Pimelea prostrata
Yeah I think even with the 5 subspecies it wont excede 10,000 words so perhaps you are right. I would still like to have the information on the species article so do I just have a section for each under the header: "subspecies?" Beeveria (talk) 09:52, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Merge proposals
Probably telling you to suck eggs (so to speak), but ... A reminder when proposing a merge to both start a discussion on the talk page and add merge templates on both the target and source; these steps seem to have been missed on, for example this edit. I also note that that proposal (which I've closed, given that there was no support for more than 6 months), was also not formulated to consider the 9 other constituent colleges, each of which has their own page. In such cases, it's probably best to consider a compendium proposal, if proposing at all. Klbrain (talk) 21:27, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
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