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Women in Red
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Thanks for the welcome @Ipigott:. I am educating myself with some of the tutorials and doing some minor edits to get the hang of things. I'll let you know if I have any questions! Cheers, --DrThneed (talk) 09:21, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
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Thanks for helping!
Thanks for remotely helping with the Libraries of New Zealand session today; we're still going, so if you have any observations or questions do share them on the event's Talk page. Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 01:19, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
No worries Giantflightlessbirds happy to help, sorry I didn't have much time. Looks like you had a good turnout though!
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DYK nomination of Foulden Maar
Hello! Your submission of Foulden Maar at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Horsegeek(talk) 20:12, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
DYK
Hi, sorry if you already know all of this, but just a few things that took me a while to work out.
the next step in your DYK is for it to be promoted by a DYK administrator. They may have some more corrections before they promote it, but you will always be contacted (also do not fret as long as you make their changes it will go to main page). It can take them anywhere between 2 days and 6 weeks to have a look at it. You can see your page here [1] before it gets promoted.
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Many more people will look at your page and make "corrections" before it goes to the main page, which is one of the main reasons I do it.
On the day that it is on the main page many people will see it (2-10 thousand normally) and there may be a slight increase in vandalism. (Dushan Jugum (talk) 01:01, 21 May 2019 (UTC)).
Hi @Dushan Jugum:, thank you so much, I appreciate you giving me a heads up about the process. I'll make sure to keep on eye on my DYK's progress (and to be ready when/if it hits the front page!).DrThneed (talk) 21:21, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
DYK for Foulden Maar
On 13 June 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Foulden Maar, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a mining company wants to quarry the New Zealand Miocene fossil site Foulden Maar for use in pig food? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Foulden Maar. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Foulden Maar), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Kia ora, I'm letting all those that have attended during last few Wellington meetups know that the location for the next two meetups has changed.
The location for the Wellington Meetup 17 August 2019 and Wellington Meetup 31 August 2019 is now in the Alexander Turnbull Library Reading Room, Level 1, National Library. The National Library net.work space area will be closed for building work from 12 August. See the meetup pages for more information. Looking forward to seeing you there.
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RSNZ 150 Women in 150 Words
I see you created the template Template:RSNZ 150 Women in 150 Words. I'd previously asked for the data in machine readable form and couldn't get it. Do you have a copy of the data as a spreadsheet or something? I think it would make a great list... Stuartyeates (talk) 05:02, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
@Stuartyeates: I don't have a copy of the data - I made the tables on my user page the hard way, typing in the names myself from the (less-than-user-friendly) RSNZ site. My aim is to create & improve pages for all the listed women, but it's a bit slow as I've had a lot of other things on. I made the template and had been applying as I went, although another editor has since added it to a bunch more of the pages I haven't looked at yet :)
A list would be a good idea, I agree, I had thought about it but put it aside for later consideration. I had a few moments where I wasn't sure about the selection of the people on the list - some of them are decidedly more notable than others! For the list, I would imagine it would be helpful to have name, dates, area of expertise (so as to provide more information than the template)? Do you know who responded to your request at the RSNZ? I don't mind asking again, they may have changed their attitude. I know Siobhan worked on some of these biographies so she might be able to point me to the right person to ask. DrThneed (talk) 08:20, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
I've dropped their contact details in an email, since I don't want to post them publicly. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:14, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
@Stuartyeates: Thanks, that's great, will follow up.
Flickr
Upload Wizard with flickr option
Nice to "meet you". Not sure whether your saw my comment in Jitsy but Flickr upload works fine for me. Do you also upload through the Upload Wizard? Schwede66 23:42, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
DrThneed (talk) 23:47, 5 June 2020 (UTC)Thanks - yes I saw your note, it's good to know it isn't a general issue. I use the upload wizard but also tried a different Flickr to Commons tool as well (as well as bunch of different browsers, even though Firefox worked just fine last week). I guess I will just download from Flickr and upload to Commons manually instead, hopefully it is a one-off problem. Thanks for all your suggestions/corrections on recent articles too, I will try to make new articles a bit tidier!
No trouble. What I mean is – do you get the flickr option as part of the Upload Wizard (see screen shot)? I don't think it is available by default but I can't recall why I've got it. If you do bulk uploads, other tools are much better. But if you, from time to time, want to upload individual or a low number of images only, then this option is by far the best. Schwede66 00:34, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
Yes, thanks for the screenshot, I have the Flickr option in the upload wizard. That's my default, as I am generally only loading a few at a time cos it is easier to keep track of the details. It worked just fine last week and then stopped...but when I get a chance I will try a different set of images and see if it gets going again. Unless there is a limit on how many images I'm allowed to upload or something? The workings of Wikimedia are a bit of a mystery to me sometimes!DrThneed (talk) 01:05, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
I don't think that there's a limit. Schwede66 04:06, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
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Hi @Magnolia677 Thanks for your interest. I arrived at Davidson's page by following links from the "Blackbirding" page. Blackbirding is a euphemism for slavery, (e.g. here is the Encyclopedia Britannica definition: "Blackbirding, the 19th- and early 20th-century practice of enslaving (often by force and deception) South Pacific islanders on the cotton and sugar plantations of Queensland, Australia (as well as those of the Fiji and Samoan islands). The kidnapped islanders were known collectively as Kanakas (see Kanaka)" According to the Wikipedia Blackbirding page, Davidson not only only owned kanakas on his plantations, but used them to kill Aborigines. However I can see that that may not be explicitly stated enough to satisfy everybody, so have sought out another reference, and will amend the text to make it clearer. I am still looking for a source that is clearer on whether Davidson captured kanaka himself or obtained them from others (ie whether he belongs in the slave trader category as well as the slave owner category).
Wikidata
I really enjoyed your Twitter thread on Colston/Wikidata and added several people in Wikidata to the investors of the Royal African Company. So much work to be done! No Swan So Fine (talk) 19:28, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Thank you so much. There is indeed a lot of work, but I really appreciate your contributions, thank you too! @No_Swan_So_FineDrThneed (talk) 04:06, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Blackbirding
Due to contemporary media coverage, there is a mistaken impression that the importation of all South Sea Islander labour in the 1800s was "blackbirding" and "slavery". However, blackbirding specifically refers kidnapping or inducing people with false promises (which probably did did occur) and, as a general topic, is best discussed at Kanaka (Pacific Island worker). But be very careful not to add "blackbirding" and "slavery" as "facts" to articles about specific people who recruited South Sea Islanders without having reliable sources that the particular person was engaged in kidnapping or slavery etc. Although poorly paid relative to Australian workers, these labourers were not slaves. They were not "owned" in that sense, and their importation was regulated by the Queensland Government. Many renewed their contracts and many did not wish to leave Australia when the system ended. I note we currently have the importation of low paid Islander today. Proving kidnapping was undertaken by specific individuals is very difficult. Since the plantation owners did not generally go on the ships that did the recruiting, kidnapping etc was more likely to have been the actions of the ship captains. Even if the plantation owners were aware of these practices or encouraged these practices, we still need some kind of reliable source that they did. See WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS and WP:VKerry (talk) 02:37, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
@DrThneed: I was hoping you might expand the article in terms of your description of him as a "plagiarist" (the reason I went to his page, clearly hoping for some enjoyable gossip...) MargaretRDonald (talk) 01:31, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
@MargaretRDonald: Thanks for the interest! I don't think it's as interesting as it sounds, in itself. He was an Italian living in London who published a lot of opera libretti under his own name that were not very different from the originals. At least that's the charge, but I can't remember the specific source. I was working on early ballet dancers at the time, and he was just a side note. He sounds like a very interesting character though, I made his page in the hopes that a music or opera historian might be inclined to add to it!DrThneed (talk) 07:10, 20 June 2020 (UTC) Thanks, for that & great work on the slavers. MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:29, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Society of Merchant Venturers - Members
Hi. I've come across some of your edits regarding the Society of Merchant Venturers. Whilst stating an individuals membership to a particular society in their article is fine, I wonder about the usefulness of the extra information about the society also being added. I've removed some additions as I think these comments would be more appropriate in a central place, like the Society of Merchant Venturers article. I'd like to mention that BLP's should be written with careful tone and balance, without giving undue weight to recent events (WP:BLPSTYLE).
In a nutshell, I'm suggesting we keep the commentary of the society on it's own page, and simply state on a person's Bio if they are a member. Thanks for your consideration:) -OXYLYPSE (talk) 11:40, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Point taken, no problem, thanks for taking the time to explain. DrThneed (talk) 22:00, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Postcard #1
Postcard from the West Coast
Sunday 6 September: Blackball
Welcome to the West Coast Wikipedian at Large project! This is your first weekly postcard with updates on what's been happening and ideas for things to do. • Yesterday I drove from Nelson to Blackball down the Inangahua River valley, taking plenty of photos (see my uploads), through Lyell, New Creek, Inangahua Junction (sic), Oweka, Rotokahu, Larrys Creek, Cronadun, Waitahu, and Reefton to visit the museum in Blacks Point, then on to Formerly the Blackball Hilton. Lots of these places need an article, improvements, or photos. • Inangahua is actually three localities: Inangahua Landing, Inangahua Junction (munted by the 1968 earthquake), and Inanguahua proper where most people live – the article's a bit confused. • This week I'll be in Greymouth giving a talk to heritage folks and another to tourism operators, and running an edit-a-thon on Saturday. It would be great for people to take a look at the Grey District library system who'll be hosting the edit-a-thon and see what Wikidata coverage is like. Libraries and museums are on the Art page of the project. • I had a really good Afghan in Reefton (right) and realised the article is terrible. Research needed! And more photos, if anyone wants an excuse to bake. • Housekeeping: please do note your contributions on the daily Progress Report: prizes for quality, quantity, and anything else I like. User:Schwede66 has been powering ahead. There's room to add a little more to the To Do list, but I want every red link blue by the end of October – plenty to do already! Thank you all. • Take care — Giantflightlessbirds
Afghan from the Broadway Tearooms and Bakery (Future Dough Co), Reefton
Postcard #2
Postcard from the West Coast
Sunday 14 September: Greymouth
Hello all from Greymouth! There are now a dozen of you from Australia and New Zealand signed up to help, which is wonderful. • The last week has seem some great work, especially from Schwede66, MurielMary, and DrThneed, busily creating categories, stubs, and some really nice articles like Hokitika Clock Tower • This last week I'll been in Greymouth, and gave a talk to the library staff, spoke to half a dozen tourism operators, and had a great edit-a-thon on Saturday, where the partcipants were so keen they organised another one in two weeks! • Check out Axel's reorganisation of the Greymouth category and see if there are photos that need articles. • The Greymouth article needs work, a gallery of historic buildings, and more references from news media and books. • Plenty of old buildingsin the list to work on • Siobhan wants Wikidata for all NZ reserves, and I would like all tracks and walkways in Wikidata too, like the Rapahoe Range Scenic Reserve and Elizabeth Point Walkway – I took a bunch of photos there yesterday • Some of our newarticles have been flagged (wrongly) because there weren't enough references yet; not to worry, but help if you can. I'm digging through local archives here for good sources. Here's a Google drive of local news stories by the way. • There'll be lots more photos going up in the next week so watch this space. In the meantime keep an eye on my uploads, photos from History House Museum, and more from the Grey District Library to see of there's something you can use. • Housekeeping: please do remember to jot down your contributions on the daily Progress Report, just so others can see and help out. Thank you all for you hard work! • Take care — Giantflightlessbirds
It seems we should better coordinate our efforts as our tastes or interests overlap. I had been reading up on the Seddon statue but you've beaten me to creating that one. The Government Buildings were next on my hit list but once more, you've done that one. I'll think about what I want to do next; maybe the Govt Buildings in Greymouth? Won't do much before Wednesday; I'm busy travelling. Schwede66 04:49, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Oh no, sorry! Plenty of work to do without us treading on each other's toes! I picked the Seddon statue at random from the list, and then felt I should do the building behind it. I haven't decided what to do next but will let you know what I pick (I promise not the Greymouth Govt buildings!). As a general rule I tend to red link the item I'm working on from the list when I start. Thank you for all the improvements you make on pages I've begun, though, I really appreciate watching what you do (and trying to remember some of it for next time). Enjoy your travels.DrThneed (talk) 05:14, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Postcard #3
Postcard from the West Coast
Sunday 20 September: Westport
Hi from Westport! The ridiculously nice weather has largely continued. According to Wikipedia the Holcim cement works is here, but I'm pretty sure it closed in 2016. Work needed on that article! • One result of appearing on Seven Sharp is that Tourism New Zealand and the Glacier tourism folks are now interested in chatting. Watch this space, I may be headed south soon. • MurielMary and DrThneed have been helping with the West Coast artists list, many thanks – I may have more print sources for bios. The Yvonne Rust book is good. • There's been some great teamwork this past week, with Canley and Schwede66 sorting out all the West Coast heritage buildings in Wikidata without photos, and me running round Westport with my camera taking pics of them. • About half the Stewart Nimmo photos are uploaded, and keep an eye on my uploads for more. Look for inventive uses: I added one to the selfie article. • I'll be working on Denniston Plateau, the Westport News, Becky Manawatu, EPIC Westport, the Kawatiri Coastal Trail, Granity, and Barrytown; all help appreciated. • This week I have a few more days at Westport and will do a day trip to Granity, then down to Hokitika on Friday for 10 days to work with the Museum and heritage groups. So do tackle Westport content this week; I can ask the Westport News for clippings if you need more sources. • Housekeeping: add what you do to the daily Progress Report, so we can all see and help! • Take care — Giantflightlessbirds
Greetings from sunny Hokitika! The fine weather I've had for the last few weeks finally broke and it's been driving hail and wind today. • Last week in Westport was fun, talking to many local historians and photographers, and the Westport News (rewritten article) • Saturday I ran a workshop in Hokitika, yesterday a second one in Greymouth. One newbie improved the Dave McKenzie (runner) article and squealed when her changes showed up instantly in Google. Another ran out to take photos of the Pioneers' Memorial (right), and Schwede66 created an article that very night • This week I'd love help with Hokitika-area articles: sculptures of Hokitika, buildings of Hokitika, Guy Menzies, Hokitika Guardian (am meeting them tomorrow to get better sources), whitebait (the NZ aspect), Kaniere, Lake Kaniere, pounamu, Lake Mahinapua, Hokitika Gorge, The Luminaries, and the Hokitika River. This is a list brainstormed with the locals at the workshop, heartily recommend • There are more photos by Stewart Nimmo of Lake Brunner and Reefton (including the artist Alison Hale (Q99304897), who's on our list. • It would be super helpful of somebody to look at the Hokitika area on WikiShootMe and check the locations of rivers, hills, etc against NZ Topo Map or the NZGB Gazetteer. • Dr Thneed wanted a photo through the altar window of St James Church, Franz Josef, and that same day Paora supplied one. Great teamwork, folks – it's been so nice to watch you collaborate. • Housekeeping: keep noting your contributions on the daily Progress Report. Thank you all for your hard work. • Stay warm and dry! — Giantflightlessbirds
Westland Pioneers' Memorial. Continually has its finger stolen. Lost an entire arm once, was redubbed Venus de Hokitika.
Postcard #5
Postcard from the West Coast
Sunday 4 October: Hokitika
Kia ora from Hokitika! Tomorrow I pack up the car and head to Greymouth to present to Development West Coast our previous month's work, before heading south • Yes, Glacier Country are supplying accommodation in south Westland – Ōkārito, Franz Josef, and Fox – for the next two weeks. Possibly because I mouthed off to the media that Fox Glacier's entry is so short who would want to stay there? • So this week it's Ōkārito (splitting the article into settlement and lagoon), kōtuku, spoonbills, the West Coast Wildlife Centre (Q99767675), rowi, Franz Josef glacier (and NZ glacier photos in general glacier articles), historic buildings thereabouts, etc • I uploaded lots of Stewart Nimmo photos of the Haast area, and have some Paparoa ones by Jase Blair coming soon. • Pakoire noticed that Fayne Robinson (Q99836010) needs an article – can we collaborate on one? He's def notable and we need more coverage of Māori from the Coast. • Also women: see the Westland women in the WikiProject Hokitika Museum Google doc and Hokitika Museum Google drive. • Last week I wrote or improved articles about Hokitika Museum, Lake Kaniere, History House Museum, Lake Mahinapua, and Westland District Library. Error check, cleanup etc welcome. It's great to be able to work from folders and scrapbooks stuffed full of newspaper clippings! • Housekeeping: Thank you all for collaborating and filling in gaps, especially with historic buildings. Paora has been doing some great work. Please keep letting me know of any photos you need taking on the spot. • Take care — Giantflightlessbirds
Gorgeous Lake Kaniere. Yes, it really does look like this.
In a few decades the Waiho River bed will be higher than Franz Josef. Won't that be fun!
Autopatrolled
Hi DrThneed, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the autopatrolled right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. However, you should consider adding relevant wikiproject talk-page templates, stub-tags and categories to new articles that you create if you aren't already in the habit of doing so, since your articles will no longer be systematically checked by other editors (User:Evad37/rater and User:SD0001/StubSorter.js are useful scripts which can help). Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! Schwede66 20:14, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
@Schwede66: Thank you, I am getting better at remembering to put wikiproject templates on talk pages, but I will take extra care to do so now. I will check out those scripts. DrThneed (talk) 23:35, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
Postcard #7
Final Postcard from the West Coast
Friday 23 October:Reefton
Kia ora koutou from Reefton! • We're in the last few days of the project, so time to wrap up loose ends. • Most of the last week I was based in in Fox Glacier, organising photo uploads from Fox Glacier Guiding of the glacier itself and Chancellor Hut, check them out • I've also photographed hiking trails and worked on articles about the West Coast Wildlife Centre, Lake Gault and Lake Matheson • Here in Reefton I'm improving the article about the town, have found info on the Inangahua County Library for DrThneed, and am writing about the Reefton Distillery • There are photos of all of Reeftons's historic buildings (and I've added a few), but no articles about the Reefton Courthouse or the Reefton School of Mines, and the Reefton Power Station article could do with work • Since I last wrote DrThneed has been hard at work on libraries, there's a nice Donovan's Store article from Gertrude206, much-needed improvements to pounamu by Pakoire, and Paora's been super-industrious with historic buildings but most importantly managed to produce a photo of the giant sandfly of Pukekura • Housekeeping: I'm sending out prizes kindly donated by Development West Coast and Friends of Waiuta to those of you who've worked hardest on the project, so if I ask for a postal address that's why. But even if you just signed up to get these postcards, that's fine too! • Thank you all for making a wonderful project work; I've never coordinated a team effort like this, and I think it's potentially a model for other edit-a-thons. Its been great fun. And I hope this has inspired you to keep chipping away, improving the coverage of New Zealand's beautiful West Coast. Ka kite ano, — Giantflightlessbirds
This horse trough outside the mansion of local mining capitalist wins the "Silliest Heritage" award in the category West Coast.
DYK nomination of Ibrahim Omer
Hello! Your submission of Ibrahim Omer at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 23:20, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
All twenty of the nominated articles have now had a review. Four have outstanding questions therein. Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 21:50, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
DrThneed and Schwede66, please address the outstanding issues soon so we can get this on the main page. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 16:08, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
Yes, sorry for the delay, I've been away. DrThneed (talk) 19:47, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
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These are part of a series of monthly meetups we’ll be running in Greymouth and Hokitika. See the West Coast Task Force project for more ways to get involved.
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Introducing Wikisource • a seminar by Andrew Wooding
Digital Learning Centre, Westland District Library, 20 Sewell Street, Hokitika
Wednesday 10 February 2021, 3:00–4:30
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Please RSVP to mike.dickison@westlib.co.nz
An introduction to Wikisource, a free repository of digitised out-of-copyright books uploaded and proofread by volunteers, and what this means for New Zealand libraries and museums.
Wikisource, a sister project to Wikipedia, is an online repository of free, out-of-copyright books anyone can read or download. The books have been scanned, transcribed, and proofread by multiple volunteers to create a computer-readable and searchable document. Wikisource can also import books already scanned by the Internet Archive, which includes numerous New Zealand works. Volunteers can help with basic proofreading, verification, and formatting of each others’ work. There’s significant potential for Wikisource as a place to host New Zealand works for free, and enlist the help of an international team of volunteers to transcribe them—see this blog post for an example. Andrew Wooding is a Wikisource admin and has been volunteering with the project for over ten years; he most recently assisted the National Library of Scotland with a COVID lockdown project where staff transcribed nearly 3000 pamphlets from the collection. Andrew is visiting the West Coast and has kindly agreed to give this free seminar for anyone interested.
Hokitika (venues at Como House, 51 Tancred Street and the Digital Learning Centre, Westland District Library)
Sat–Sun 20–21 March 2021
Registration will be just $20, with a mixture of presentations, skill sharing, and editing events for Wikipedians.
DYK for Mary Aldis (science writer)
On 8 February 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mary Aldis (science writer), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that "noted controversialist" Mary Aldis(depicted) tried to get Auckland City Council to stop a woman being fired from a cannon in 1887? You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Mary Aldis (science writer)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
You seem to have worked on slavery related articles too.
I have been working on Draft:Avret Esir Pazarları (Article is about Ottoman time's female slavery with special focus on state of non elite common women slavery in those times); deep down I do have feeling that the article deserves more inputs from East European sources requesting you to support the article if you happen to come across any at any point of time.
On 20 March 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ebenezer Teichelmann, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that when Ebenezer Teichelmann(pictured), Henry Newton and Alec Graham made the first ascent of Douglas Peak in New Zealand in 1907, they took more than 25 kg (55 lb) of camera equipment? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ebenezer Teichelmann. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Ebenezer Teichelmann), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
I have added something to Josephine's Talk page but not sure how to go about refuting Crane's essay. Can you advise please?
Sinebeg (talk) 06:30, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
I am trying to finish a piece of wikiwork before the weekend, but will sort it out next week if that's OK. I'm happy to take a run at it and then you can let me know if I've got it right (alternatively do have a try, and I'll help out when I can). I want to record that the information is incorrect somewhere so that it doesn't creep back in again at a later date from someone who doesn't know (but now we have your comment on the talk page, thank you, that is less likely).-DrThneed (talk) 06:40, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Performing Arts Aotearoa - Wiki Project – funding success
Great news. The Wikimedia Foundation gave me the grant for the Performing Arts Aotearoa Wiki-Project. It starts on 17 May 2021 and runs for four months.
Thanks for being a volunteer or endorsing it.
I will update this project page regularly plus send out weekly updates. The focus of this grant is on quality content on Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons and Wikidata. I encourage you to go in-depth and reach out for hints about where to get resources. There is heaps available on-line. Reach out with problems eg. Categories etc
There will be three formal edit-a-thons in Wellington, Auckland and Dunedin. Dates to be confirmed.
You can email me at any time maule.lisa@gmail.com or message me on my talk page.
My focus once the project starts will be on getting resources available for editors from organisations, and educating people in organisations on what Wiki platforms are and how and why they can be engaged. Pakoire (talk) 07:31, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
Please do not recreate the material without addressing these concerns, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If you think this page should not have been deleted for this reason, or you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. Schwede66 19:24, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
WikiProject update - Performing Arts Aotearoa
The project is now two weeks in and the profile of the project is building in the performing arts communities. Editors have created seven new articles in Wikipedia and 291 new and improved entries in Wikidata. These have been tagged in Wikidata to the project using the property p5008 ‘on focus list of Wikimedia project’ – ‘Performing Arts Aotearoa New Zealand.’
Thank you if you have made a contribution already, there will also be lots of other ways to contribute over the coming three and a half months.
The current focus is the Wellington based festival Kia Mau [2]. This weekend Saturday 5th June there is a takeover of the Wellington Meetup with an edit-a-thon focus to Wikify the festival.
Kia Mau is an established festival based in Wellington celebrating and promoting “contemporary Māori, Pasifika and international Indigenous live performance experience.” For more information look at the Wellington Meetup page or the Kia Mau Wikiproject Worksheet. Over the next few days resources will be shared, including stubs and links to information.
Focusing on this festival will start to address the bias in Wikipedia that means there is low content on indigenous people, plus there are many women involved. Which means you can also add them to the Women in Red projects #1day1woman, some would fit onto the year-long campaign: Women's rights, and some into the June focus Wiki Loves Pride.
Participating in the Kia Mau editing can be in person or remotely. You can start this week, join for an hour or more on the day, and follow up afterwards also. Any improvements to Wikipedia, Wikidata and Wikimedia Commons content will make a difference.
Please let me know if you have any tips or questions to help me help you.
If you aren't in a position to contribute right now that's ok too - take care.
Many thanks,
Lisa Maule / Pakoire (talk) 22:06, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
DYK for Honor McKellar
On 14 June 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Honor McKellar, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that when Honor McKellar studied voice in England, Ralph Vaughan Williams called her "the girl who does things with the words"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Honor McKellar. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Honor McKellar), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
You are recipient no. 2612 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:06, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt, thank you so much! It's been a lovely 24h. QAI project looks like one for me to check out too! I don't know who was responsible for putting together that second DYK set (with That Bloody Woman) but putting that hook right above one involving Margaret Thatcher (one of whose nicknames was That Bloody Woman) was a little piece of genius that made me smile very much! DrThneed (talk) 22:05, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
DYK has its moments ;) - I loved St George's Chapel pictured on the centenary of the Duke of Edinburgh. If you look at the history of the nomination you see who closed it, and normally - if no later swaps occurred - that is also the one who placed it in a set. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:07, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
DYK for That Bloody Woman
On 14 June 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article That Bloody Woman, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Greg Cooper based the character of suffragist Kate Sheppard in punk-rock musical That Bloody Woman on Bette Midler in concert in Cleveland? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/That Bloody Woman. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, That Bloody Woman), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
WikiProject update - Performing Arts Aotearoa 20 June
Many thanks to all who have contributed so far. There are 28 new Wikipedia articles and over 500 new Wikidata entries.
The Kia Mau Festival mini edit-a-thon happened with useful learning for me about what seems simple and what is possible. I am proud of the persistence of editors – a much improved article for Audrey Brown-Pereira for example, a new article for The Māori Sidesteps and lots of links from performance UPU to various poets. And many Wikidata entries.
You can now link to the project page through my website (http://www.lisamaule.info). Easier to remember and google-able (Wikiproject Lisa) if you want to direct other people where to look.
• LINKABLE ARTICLES: Create articles for a venue, a company or a festival. This will help facilitate biographies being linked to other articles. Suggestions on project page.
• KEEP GOING with your own area. Let me know what you are up to. See my new research google doc (linked on the project page) – feel free to comment if you need something (ask me for permission to edit)
• IMPROVE ANY ARTICLE on any performing arts topic, theatre, dance, venues – feel free to use my suggestions as a starting point and then going where it takes you. Reach out for suggestions in your area of interest, or ideas for research. I am a subject expert which helps with searching, and now have a pool of academics and others who I can ask too.
Many thanks – do what you can (might be nothing, might just be one citation) and take care,
Lisa
DYK for Carla Van Zon
On 26 June 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Carla Van Zon, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Carla Van Zon ran two arts festivals in New Zealand? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Carla Van Zon. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Carla Van Zon), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
On 10 July 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Rosalie Carey, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Patric and Rosalie Carey built New Zealand's first theatre for professional repertory on the back of their house? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Rosalie Carey. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Rosalie Carey), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Add suggested articles to the project pages or get in touch with me. A Women in Red (WIR) August campaign is Indigenous women and there are heaps on my list so if you create or improve these articles be sure to tag WIR on the talk page. Pakoire (talk) 09:15, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
UPDATE
WIKIPEDIA
There are now 31 new Wikipedia articles reported on the project page that include 19 new biographies, 14 of these about women and six are of people of colour (three Māori people). Keep up the good work. Keep seeking out women and people of colour to celebrate through Wikipedia.
WIKIDATA
The targets specified in this project for Wikidata were exceeded within the first week of the project with the concerted efforts of two editors. A Wikidata item was created to track entries. Performing Arts Aotearoa New Zealand (Q106787482).
With claims of ethnicity the policy is to include references from a biography, interview or personal website. Ethnicity of white people is strongly encouraged to be included where this information is available. Māori is listed and then also iwi (tribe/s).
EDIT-A-THON DUNEDIN
The Ōtepoti Dunedin Edit-a-thon was a success. It was at the Hocken Library on Saturday 10 July. The coordinator Pakoire and co-host DrThneed were joined in person by seven others, which included six new editors from the performing arts community, and two people working remotely in Wellington and Christchurch.
The new editors added 27 references to Wikipedia between them and a total of 2,017 words. Comments from new editors after they had learnt the basics and started editing related to how accessible they found doing it. There was motivation amongst many in the group to continue to meet as a way of progressing the articles they are interested in. With the experienced editors overall including Wikidata the edit-a-thon added 48.1K words, 4 commons uploads, 245 references, across 53 articles including 4 new Wikipedia articles and 15 new Wikidata articles.
COI
Conflict of interest (COI) is an area of consideration for editing in performing arts, since most subject experts are also practicing arts and producers. The edit-a-thon / meetup format was useful and people worked on unrelated articles but in tandem with others who knew where to get information.
IMAGES
There is more work to do to create opportunities to upload images to Wikimedia Commons under appropriate licences, as predicted this involves a lot of education with individuals and organisations as well as motivating people to follow through.
Take some pics of a local entertainment venue and upload them. Music venues, amateur arts, town hall, converted theatre, you would be surprised what isn’t there.
SUPPORT
All edits count - reach out if you need help or guidance and many thanks for any contribution you can make.
Wikisource is going strong: we're currently validating the last pages of Preshaw's Banking Under Difficulties (1888), and have just started Lord's Old Westland (1939). Both of these are pivotal books of West Coast history, and I'm really pleased we'll been able to make them available for the first time ever as library e-books. Wikisource ☞
Over August and September we're focussing on the natural history of the West Coast. We're trying to get reasonable articles and photos for all the Coast's lizard species, like the Kapitia skink, with the help of DOC. There's plenty to do on endangered species like the Westland Petrel, and localities like the Open Bay Islands, home to two endangered lizards and an endangered leech, I kid you not. Natural History ☞
Meetups: Grey District Library, Greymouth, Sat 28 Aug 10:00 am • Westland District Library, Hoikitika, Sat 4 Sep 1:00 pm • Grey District Library, Greymouth, Sat 25 Sep 10:00 am • Westland District Library, Hoikitika, Sat 16 Oct 1:00 pm
Endangered Kapitia skink (Oligosoma salmo) being measured and labelled
DYK for Allen Hall Theatre
On 11 August 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Allen Hall Theatre, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Lisa Warrington was responsible for painting the doors of Allen Hall Theatre red? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Allen Hall Theatre. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Allen Hall Theatre), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
On 11 August 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Lisa Warrington, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Lisa Warrington was responsible for painting the doors of Allen Hall Theatre red? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Allen Hall Theatre. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Lisa Warrington), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Kia ora DrThneed, just for the record, I disagree with this IP editor. Keep up your good work! Schwede66 23:45, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
Schwede66, thank you for the support. I don't object to all their changes, but some of them are petty, and some are just wrong (Massive Theatre Company and Pop-Up Globe are definitely notable!) and personalising edit summaries is just not nice. I wonder if they realise how demoralising it is to have someone follow you around and snipe at you. Sigh. DrThneed (talk) DrThneed (talk) 23:52, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
If you are subject to WP:HOUNDING, there are things that can be done about it. As you can see in the relevant policy, the important component of hounding is disruption to another user's own enjoyment of editing. The most severe retribution is a block for the offending party. Please say if you see need for further action. Courtesy ping of User talk:2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63, given that we are discussing their conduct. Schwede66 00:15, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Okay, perhaps some elaboration is in order. If the issues were major, I would have categorized them as such; instead, what I found in several articles was an inclination toward puffery or promotion, and was clear about that in edit summaries [3]; [4]; [5]. Perhaps you can establish the notability of the aforementioned theatrical organizations--I'm going by the fact that neither appears to be the subject of an article here yet. It's not clear to the casual reader, and including them in an article lede, as a major piece of a biography, requires that we support their significance. Similarly, I'm wondering why you've included so many non notable crew members in Waiora Te Ūkaipō - The Homeland; actors and directors, especially if they are notable, merit mention. Not so regional lighting directors, etc. I applaud the creation of these articles. But it's neither petty, sniping, or 'not nice' to steer a constructive editor toward neutrality. We can all agree that They are known for producing excellent theatre and The galleries are known for hosting cutting-edge exhibitions of both regional and national importance don't belong in an encyclopedia. Don't be demoralized, but please be aware of any biases that may exist. I'd be happy to hear why you or Schwede66 think that I'm wrong. Thanks, 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 00:29, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you very much, Drthneed. Since you hadn't linked them in the bio, I mistakenly thought they weren't already covered here. The Globe article has a world of problems, but that's another story. Much appreciated. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 00:49, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
They were linked in the article, where I tend to think it is most useful to a reader, just not in the lead (but I'll be sure to link both in future). DrThneed (talk) DrThneed (talk) 01:13, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
WikiProject update - Performing Arts Aotearoa 19 August
A short update this time.
The project has created 74 new Wikipedia articles and improvements to many. An example is one person has been working through improving and creating notable composers of New Zealand which is a great enhancement to Wikipedia. There is a now a regular meetup happening in Ōtepoti.
The next Wikibase live session is at 16:00 UTC on Thursday 26th August 2021 (18:00 Berlin time). You're welcome to come and share your work around Wikibase.
BiCIKL Hackathon at the Meise Botanic Garden, September 20 - 24. Theme: adding articles/items about “Hidden women in science” on Wikipedia/Wikidata. If you're interested to participate, please write to maarten.trekelsplantentuinmeise.be
50 cool new things you can now do with KB’s collection highlights - In this series of 5 articles we show the added value of putting images and metadata of digitised collection highlights of the KB, national library of the Netherlands, into the Wikimedia infrastructure. By putting our collection highlights into Wikidata, Wikimedia Commons and Wikipedia, dozens of new functionalities have been added. As a result of Wikifying this collection in 2020, you can now do things with these highlights that were not possible before. Article by OlafJanssen, DanielleJWiki and 1Veertje_(KB)
The "Wikidata Quickstatements" translator which lets users transfer metadata about citation sources fromZotero into Wikidata, no longer needs to be manually installed. Existing manually-installed versions should update automatically, like other translators.
Edits to labels, descriptions and aliases on mobile are now also tagged as edits made via the user interface. All edits made via the user interface are now tagged as such. (phab:T286775)
ArticlePlaceholder pages will now indicate that they are generated by the ArticlePlaceholder thanks to a patch by Luca (phab:T124191)
Working on making it possible to restrict constraints to certain entity types (phab:T269724)
Adding a new constraint type to ensure Items have a label in a certain language (phab:T195178)
Hello! I'm finally getting round to working on Open Refine properly, I remember you saying there was someone who had really good videos on it? Do you mind linking them to me?
Hope you are well in lockdown! Susan Tol (talk) 22:28, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Susan Tol, Hi Susan, All well here, although with homeschooling I get less time to Wiki which is always a struggle! The OpenRefine presentation I was thinking of was this walkthrough by Sandra Fauconnier, it covers all the basics of what it can do, such that you can then look up specific issues (like what expression to use to do a particular thing) separately:
For a more practical tutorial I recommend working through a Carpentries workshop - they step you through how things work and have sample data to try. Start here https://librarycarpentry.org/lc-open-refine/
And of course I'm always happy to answer questions any time! DrThneed (talk) 03:46, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you! I'm sure I will have heaps of questions but I will get started with these. Good luck with homeschooling! Hopefully Dunedin won't be in Lockdown for too much longer! Susan Tol (talk) 02:31, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
WikiProject update - Performing Arts Aotearoa 08 September
The Performing Arts Aotearoa Wikiproject officially ends in 2 days.
I am happy with the momentum that has built since the project started. Many thanks to everybody who was able to contribute.
On 30 October 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Janet Wilmshurst, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Janet Wilmshurst paints pictures of the past with poop? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Janet Wilmshurst. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Janet Wilmshurst), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
I gave a presentation and workshop about Wikisource at the LIANZA librarians conference in November, and there was quite a bit of interest. We finished proofreading Old Westland (1939), released it into the library catalogue as a e-book, and it was almost immediately borrowed by 15 people (the physical book had only gone out three times in the last few years). Newly-uploaded books needing work are George Marriner's The Kea: a New Zealand Problem, the 1886 edition of Rambles on the Golden Coast of New Zealand, and Horatio Robley's Pounamu: notes on New Zealand greenstone.Wikisource ☞
With the help of the Left Bank Art Gallery we've been focussing on pounamu (greenstone) carving and hei tiki over the last month, with the goal of negotiating with copyright holders to get decent photos of different types of stone and some carving styles. There is lots to do! Let me know if you're keen to help with pounamu. Arts ☞
User:Paora has made some great improvements to Lake Wahapo, which made me wonder if there was interest in a small project in the New Year to improve articles on the West Coast's lakes and rivers.
Meetups: we had a small Wikiblitz at Byte Digital Hub in Greymouth on Sat 4 Dec, which improved the Greymouth article and led to the creation of Floods in Greymouth • There'll be an online meetup of the West Coast Task Force, Sat 15 Jan 1pm (link to join). • In February we're planning a Wikiblitz on the Westland Petrel and the Barrytown Flats, to take place somewhere around Punakaiki – watch this space.
This has ref to your post @ WP:WiR about DYK. There is one abandoned but potentially a good Draft:Women's World (Ottoman magazine) which was first feminist magazine in Turkey (in a way first feminist magazine in Muslim world).
My hands are already too engaged to spare time to work in detail on it's DYK but may be that can be a potentially good candidate for DYK.
Meeting Invitation: to establish Wikimedia Aotearoa New Zealand Inc ("WANZ Inc") as an Incorporated Society and register as a charitable entity
Kia ora,
We are meeting on Thursday 17 March at 7.30pm on Zoom to establish Wikimedia Aotearoa New Zealand Inc ("WANZ Inc") as an Incorporated Society. Please do join us. You can find more information here
On 18 March 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Women's World (Ottoman magazine), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that magazine Women's World was the first to publish photographs of Ottoman Muslim women? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Women's World (Ottoman magazine). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Women's World (Ottoman magazine)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
I have added new articles created as part of the Pacific Arts Aotearoa Wikiproject. These articles by new editors include Lusi Faiva, Suli Moa, Edith Amituanai and Amanaki Prescott-Faletau, who was interviewed on Radio New Zealand last Sunday. The reporter let me know the article was valuable for the interview research – great feedback for all of us creating and improving content in Wikipedia.
Reach out to me if you want guidance on any aspects of Wikipedia, or a collegial conversation about writing encyclopaedic entries on performing arts. I can set up a zoom, or direct you to places for help.
Please try to remember to add any relevant articles improved or created to the lists on the project page so the impact can be seen. Take your name off the project page if you don’t want to get these sporadic updates. I will keep an eye on new articles and I have an ongoing campaign to get more images uploaded so we can illustrate the articles too. I have resources on Wikimedia Commons if you are interested. Feel free to contact me on my talk page.
An invitation to help the West Coast Wikipedian at Large
News from the West Coast
Development West Coast have kindly agreed to support another short Wikipedian at Large contract on the West Coast, to cover areas that were missed the first time around: Lake Brunner, Te Wahipounamu, Ōpārara Arches, and Punakaiki. From June 20th to August 26th I'll be improving articles, Wikidata, and photo collections on these areas, and would love some help. I'm inviting editors to sign up on the project page; there'll be a fortnightly "postcards from the Coast" of to-dos and updates, and prizes for the most and best contributions by volunteers. Hope to see you there! —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 23:08, 4 June 2022 (UTC))
Postcard #3 (2022)
Postcard from the West Coast
Tuesday 19 July, 2022
Kia ora koutou and once again thank you for all your mahi over the last fortnight • We've been working on articles on the Lake Brunner area; the lake's article is looking heaps better, and it's in the queue for DYK • Marshelec, Swede66, and Turnagra have been the putting in lots of effort, with new articles on the Croesus Track, Mount Te Kinga, and the Pike19 Memorial Track amongst others • We've rescued lots of great photos from Flickr and other public collections • But these weren't enough: I did two field trips to photograph up and down the Punakaiki coast, and halfway around the Arnold Valley and Lake Brunner; numerous new Commons categories and Wikidata images resulted • Progress at the lake was derailed by having to be filmed for the evening news, editing Wikipedia in the open air while being attacked by sandflies (our project mascot is well chosen) • Over the next two weeks the focus shifts to Karamea, all the caves and walks of the Ōpārara Basin, and the Heaphy Track • There is plenty to do: the Wangapeka Track, Honeycomb Hill Cave, and Kahurangi National Park need massive work, so I'm stoked that Marshall and Lyn are joining me for a few days this weekend at Karamea to help • This is an area that critically relies on tourism, and it's embarassing the coverage is so bad in Wikipedia • Check out the Project page to see jobs there are to do, and how you can help out! Ka kite ano. — Giantflightlessbirds
The Kotuku Model Bungalow at Jack's Mill School; designed, built, and completely furnished at 3/4 scale by primary school children in 1938—the project of a visionary headmaster, now Heritage NZ listed.
Floating Islanders: Pasifika Theatre in Aotearoa
Kia ora DrThneed! Hope you are keeping well. I noticed you created Kila Kokonut Krew and am wondering if you have easy access to this book by any chance? I have started Draft:Stacey Leilua and suspect it might have some useful info about her, seeing as she was a founding member and company director for many years. If not, not to worry, I'll pop to the library at some point. Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 02:58, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi @Chocmilk03 Nice to hear from you. All good here. Unfortunately I don't have that book, I had it from the uni library while the performing arts wikiproject was on, but have long returned it. But it is a book that @Pakoire might have to hand? Cheers, DrThneed DrThneed (talk) 03:05, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi @Chocmilk03 - I do have the book. There are references in one section to her. I'll get in touch with you. Pakoire (talk) 21:12, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Kia ora koutou and thanks for helping with this project • It's been a busy fortnight: I visited Karamea with Marshall and Lyn, and we spent the day on the Fenian Track, which now has its own article and over 100 photos of the valley, the local flora and fauna, and the three caves we explored • Yes, there were cave wētā and spiders • I also got to meet with local historians, photographers, and nature buffs who are keen to share photos and deluged me with print materials • The double hook featuring the Paparoa Track and the Pororari River articles appeared in DYK on 25 July and they got 3000 readers between them, but the accompanying DOC video clip got over 400,000 views! • The newly-created Copland Track article was in DYK the next day, and Lake Brunner will feature soon • Great work, everyone • Coming up: Te Wahipounamu and the Haast Pass—I'll be spending three days exploring and photographing the area, and could definitely do with help fleshing out the skeletal coverage of the lakes, localities, rivers, and wetlands of that beautiful part of the world • Check out the Project page to see the north-to-south list for South Westland, and pick something to work on; ask me for a job if you don't have one! Ka kite ano. — Giantflightlessbirds
Marshall took this photo of a very curious South Island robin (Petroica australis australis) on the Fenian Track.
Kia ora koutou; we're coming up to the home stretch! • I got back from South Westland with about 400 photos to upload and categorise into Commons • The DOC team down there are very excited about our project; they're busy reopening the Haast-Paringa Cattle Track with a new swingbridge, and I promised we would create an article with photos of all the huts • Archives New Zealand have a wonderful collection of tourist publicity photos on DigitalNZ; you could search them for pics of West Coast places for articles (see the ones I used in Pleasant Flat) • There's still plenty to do over the last fortnight of the project—if you could find some time to pick one of the biggest gaps and have a go at filling it, that would be great • in Haast, we need articles on Okuru (currently a redirect), Hannahs Clearing, the Roaring Billy and Thunder Creek Falls, and Ship Creek; I have photos of all of them • You could also check back through the Punakaiki, Lake Brunner, and North Westland lists for anything that needs expanding • In other news, I'm running an online workshop 7 pm August 23rd on Adding Photos to Commons; enrolment's free, share with any keen photographers you know • We're also having a Wikiblitz this coming Sunday to try to improve the articles about West Coast reptiles, and could use help • Thank you for all your hard work; I'd like to organise an online meetup on Zoom at the end of the project to look back at what we've done and have a think about next steps; will send some possible times • Ka kite ano. — Giantflightlessbirds
A couple having a lovely picnic at Pleasant Flat in 1965, from the National Publicity Studios collection
Kia ora koutou; well, it's time to wrap up this project • What a wonderful and short ten weeks it's been; I've really appreciated all the mahi people have put into improving articles about the West Coast • There's a summary of what we've managed to achieve in the final report • Briefly: 24new articles, 5 of them in DYK, 974 edits to 193 articles, adding 73,800 words and 653 citations • We uploaded 1126 photos into numerous new Commons categories • Standouts for me were Schwede66's sorting out all the Paparoa mountains named after famous scientists, Marshelec's work on Karamea and Bullock Creek, and Turnagra creating the Copland Track article • There are small prizes going out to those three, but I also want to acknowledge all the effort of Paora, Chocmilk03, and Gertrude206—great stuff • I'm about to head off to Europe for a month, to attend the Wikimedia Summit and learn what European Wikipedians are up to, but despite time zones would like to have an online catchup with participants soon • Thank you again for all your hard work; ka kite ano and I hope we'll have another bash at the West Coast again soon. Don't be strangers. — Giantflightlessbirds
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Great work on this article/hook, DrThneed! I clicked on it without realising it would turn out to be a Kiwi subject, and written by a familiar editor at that. :) Chocmilk03 (talk) 08:38, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Toddst1 (talk) 01:34, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
I have never met Deirdre Hart, do not work at the same institution as her, and as far as I know do not know anyone that knows her (although this being New Zealand I probably do). I am not a geographer, and do not have any work overlap with Hart. I don't know on what basis you have decided I might have a conflict of interest, would you care to explain? I am working through a list of New Zealand professors who need Wikipedia pages, and that is the only reason she has come to my attention. DrThneed (talk) 01:39, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
Toddst1, Dr Thneed forgot to ping you with her reply but I'd like to know as well how you came to your conclusion. Schwede66 22:44, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
Please stop altering valid citations to another format
Please immediately stop your alteration of valid citation formats such as {{Cite Q}} in articles to your apparent preference of a fully spelled out citation using {{cite thesis}}. No improvement to the citation, to WP:Verifiability, or to the article results from these changes. They are unnecessary, and are in violation of WP:CITEVAR. I undid half a dozen or so of your recent edits altering valid citations to {{cite thesis}}, but there are at least 244 others that I did not restore, because you appear to have been doing these at at bot-speed, perhaps with the assistance of WP:AWB or some other script, which is another violation. If you have some valid reason to change all these correctly formatted citations, please make a proposal at a centralized location and gain consensus for it, before continuing. Any further edits of this type could be seen as disruptive. Thank you. Mathglot (talk) 07:39, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
Undid two more; hopefully they will light up your notifs, and you'll come read this. Mathglot (talk) 07:47, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
I am sorry that you are upset about my work @Mathglot. I have no intention to be disruptive. There is a good reason for what I am doing. But firstly, your accusation of using a bot is unfair, I am making the changes manually. I have created citation templates with ref tags in a spreadsheet for all the theses that are part of the New Zealand Thesis Project. That means I can simply paste the citation in, so I appreciate that the speed of editing might look suspicious but perhaps you should not leap to accuse so readily?
The vast majority of the citations that I am changing were inserted by me or other members of the New Zealand Thesis Project. This project uses data from institutional repositories to improve access to New Zealand dissertations. I am a big fan of CiteQ and use it by choice! We were led to believe that we would be able to measure the impact of the project through Altmetrics tracking of the citations. We thus used the CiteQ template to cite more than 700 theses on Wikipedia.However we have recently discussed this with Altmetric and discovered that they cannot track CiteQ nor any citations in infoboxes. This means it is impossible for the 13 institutions we are working with to see the impact of the work we have done. Do you see the problem? Given that the majority of the citations I am changing were made through the NZ Thesis Wikiproject it did not seem unreasonable to me to change them back to a different form of citation. I am ensuring when I do so that a URL to the digitised copy is included if there was one available, so from a reader's perspective I don't think there is much difference. DrThneed (talk) 07:56, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
@Mathglot I should also add that Altmetric are looking into whether they can track CiteQ in future. If they do develop the capability I very happily promise to change all these cites (and any others to NZ Thesis Project theses) back to CiteQ again (unless that would also be accused of being disruptive). DrThneed (talk) 08:05, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Thank you for stopping, and for replying here. Please read carefully: I did not say you were using a bot, but were doing edits at "bot-speed" (a subtle difference, perhaps, but one echoed in policy), which you have confirmed; thank you for that. You don't actually have to be using a bot for it to be potentially problematic.
I do see the tracking problem you describe, but in my view, the {{Cite Q}} citations were no worse than the {{Cite thesis}} ones you are replacing them with, meaning they should not be replaced without some kind of consensus for it. I would go further: {{Cite Q}} has advantages, in that it guarantees a valid citation (at least, once it stabilizes, which should happen rather quickly) no matter where it is used; that is a striking advantage. Nevertheless, there might be consensus to remove them now; but is there? I don't think that decision should be made by one person, or even necessarily by a WikiProject (per WP:CONLEVEL considerations; you could try, and see what happens; likely as not, a strong local consensus would carry the day). As far as offline companies or projects being unable to track the citations, that seems disappointing for the hopes of the project, but completely irrelevant as to how to address the question at issue at Wikipedia. That no doubt dashed some hopes and perhaps scuttles the project on our side, but I see nothing in our policy or guidance that says that these helpful citations must therefore be removed, because they were initially placed so some outside company could do something that they ultimately cannot do. Our actions should be determined by what's best for the encyclopedia, hopefully duly expressed in our P&G.
I'm open to being persuaded that they should be removed, but I haven't heard anything policy-based in favor of that so far. What, in fact, is the motivation for removing them at this point? Do you see an improvement to the articles from which they have been removed? Because if not, that should raise a red flag. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 08:20, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
@Mathglot I type fast but honestly, I don't think I approach the speed of an actual bot! I'm still reading articles to find the right citation, checking details, adding short descriptions and missing categories etc. as I go.
It is a bit upsetting to be accused of removing citations when I am in fact replacing them. Isn't that an important distinction? The citation is properly formatted with links to the repository, the institution name, the year, the type of thesis etc. I feel the impact on the articles of the citation template change is trivial, the only part of the CiteQ it does include is a link to the Wikidata item. And as I said I would happily change them all back the minute they became trackable. If you don't see a benefit to citations being trackable I'm not sure what to say, the entire academic community depends on it! Unhappily when I started using CiteQ I faced editors who insisted it wasn't a valid citation template and reverted those changes too.
I improved most of articles considerably by putting the citations in to start with. As I said, I do other work on articles as I go, so there are other benefits to doing this work other than just changing the citation template. Not all the citations I have changed were in the CiteQ template. Some were in journal or book form, or made by pasting the QID into Citoid which gives a very poor citation for a thesis (so these citations are often missing the fact it is a thesis at all, the type of thesis, the repository name, title, year, link to digitised copy etc). Those citations have been considerably improved by the citation format I am using. DrThneed (talk) 08:58, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
Mathglot, CITEVAR doesn't apply to these uses of Cite Q, CITEVAR is when a complete article has one style (say, Harvard) and someone changes it to another style. One could even argue that by removing these Cite Qs, the citing style is actually made more consistent in some cases, but in general it just stays the same. Editors changing this external, opaque template to an internal, clear one should be encouraged, not reverted and chided. Furthermore, in the examples I saw, DrThneed was improving the citations, making them more consistent. Please let them continue with this useful change, unless you have actual arguments why their change makes the article worse than it was. Fram (talk) 09:03, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
Yes it does apply, for a couple of reasons. You are correct in stating that one of the purposes of CITEVAR is when an article is mostly one style (such as short footnotes), with some oddball stragglers that swim against the current (such as inline cites between ref-tags), but that simply is not the case here: both are CS1-style inline citations embedded within <ref> tags, and the change from <ref>{{Cite Q|..}}</ref> to <ref>{{Cite thesis|..}}</ref> is not making the style more consistent, as it would be, say, if, you changed from <ref>{{Cite Q|..}}</ref> to <ref>{{harvnb|..}}</ref> or to the use of {{sfn}}, if the rest of the article used one of those styles. This change is more like changing from CS1 {{cite dictionary}} to CS1 {{cite web}}: that is *not* a change in citation style, and neither is this. So, there is nothing happening here that is making the citations more consistent in the article; that is simply false. Secondly: section § Generally considered helpful of that page lists seven cases where it's generally okay to change references, and not one of them applies; in particular, bullet #3 does not apply.
It's contrary to the guideline, It's not a useful change, it was better before, and there should be consensus demonstrated that is strong enough to make a case that the article would be better for such a change in this case, despite what the guideline says. That should be possible to do, as WP:CITE is not policy; however, that step should be taken before unilaterally making mass changes of this sort; one person's view about this (or even two, if the guideline seems to say different) is simply not enough. Mathglot (talk) 09:37, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
Look, in the end, this isn't important enough to me to bother about; you wanna do it, go ahead and do it. But just recognize that it is counter to what the guideline says, and it could be that next time you or someone wants to do it, somebody else will care enough about it to take it further than I'm willing to. I won't stand in your way, if this is what's really going to make your day. Have fun. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 09:43, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
Vague threaths about what someone else might do, classy. Fram (talk) 09:50, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
@Mathglot @Fram thank you both for your input. I appreciate your points, Mathglot, although I don't agree with your interpretation of the guideline. For my own satisfaction that I am not being disruptive I will seek an opinion on the interpretation of CITEVAR from a couple of other experienced editors before I change any further CiteQs. DrThneed (talk) 09:57, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
(ec)You haven't explained how it's contrary to any guideline, actually. The cites are more consistent as they are all local, use the same style of names, indicating the publisher, using better dates (e.g. not being incorrectly precise with "1 January" dates)... You link to 7 cases given as examples where changing is helpful, but below this are three cases where it should be avoided, none of these apply either. You claim "it was better before" without any evidence for this, and with your claims that a guideline supports your opinion (first CITEVAR, now CITE) severely lacking. Fram (talk) 09:50, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
Mathglot, I have this talk page on my watchlist as I've done a lot of work on the NZThesis project, too. I'm flabbergasted by your wikilawyering, which I don't consider helpful nor do I appreciate it. If we decide to deal with the citations differently because it enables tracking, why should that be of any bother to you? DrThneed had flagged this approach and I didn't even consider replying to the suggestion as it seemed such an obvious improvement to the overall project objectives. I respectfully suggest that you back off and let us get on with the work. Schwede66 08:58, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
You should not be undoing progress on Wikipedia to meet the needs of Altmetric; it's up to them to update their processes if they are inadequate for their (commercial?) purpose. I believe I made this point to you previously, then you asked what approach to take. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:01, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
"Progress", hah. He is making the articles better than they were with the CiteQ template. Fram (talk) 10:20, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi @Pigsonthewing, yes we did discuss Altmetric and CiteQ previously, and I was glad you were able to remove the wording that made them think it was still an experimental template. They have since agreed to pass my request to track CiteQ on to the developers, but nothing will happen very soon (if it does happen - although perhaps if they had a few more people requesting they track it, it might help?). Altmetric is widely used by libraries and universities to track citations, I think we should care whether they can see the impact of our work or not. From my perspective, I have 13 institutions whose work is being cited on Wikipedia but who cannot see it. I want them to agree to put the work in to continue donating data to Wikidata, in order to benefit Wikidata and Wikipedia, but they need to see that donating that data has an impact. The benefit of changing citation templates thus accrues at a higher level than the individual article.
I would also like to point out that citing theses on Wikipedia is a pain in the ass however you do it. Even CiteQ, designed to work with Wikidata items, with a beautifully formatted Wikidata item, requires adjustment in source editing to give a nice citation. But I'm not trying to upset anyone, so for now I'll just stick with fixing citations that are not showing that they are a thesis, what kind they are, or where the name or date is displaying improperly. DrThneed (talk) 20:06, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
Archiving a talk page
Kia ora DrThneed, your talk page is getting awfully long. Help:Archiving a talk page lays out what the options are. Let me know if you'd like a hand setting something up (that said, I do all my own archiving manually but that's just me). Schwede66 22:30, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
Can you tell I was the kid who refused to tidy their room for weeks and then eventually just shoved it all under the bed? I'll get to it at some point I promise! DrThneed (talk) 22:35, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
Don't ever ask my mother about my childhood escapades! Schwede66 23:39, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
DYK for Lynda Simmons
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