User talk:Geo Swan/archive/2018-06

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James Duane

Did you not bother to look at the article before disambiguating? The Continental Congressman and the Mayor of New York are the same person! bd2412 T 16:23, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Are they BD2412? It is important for all of us, you and I and everyone else, to remember we are subject to normal human fallibility. The project works best if we remember the good faith mistakes of others are forgiveable. I consider your good faith mistakes forgiveable. I encourage you to accept that the good faith mistakes of other people are forgiveable. Geo Swan (talk) 16:38, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

It is clearly stated in the first line of the article. I'll be the first to forgive good faith mistakes, but more care should be taken when making the highly disruptive step of unilaterally and without discussion moving a heavily linked page. Going forward, you should probably just use WP:RM to propose such moves. If there had been a discussion, someone would have caught this before it became an issue. bd2412 T 20:28, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

• BD2412 just to be clear, are you saying you don't believe my mistake was made in good faith?

You used the phrase "going forward". I started going forward, and disambiguating references to James Duane, to point to James Duane (Continental Congress). It looks like it didn't occur to you to tell me you moved the article back to James Duane. So, the following good faith edits of mine were a waste of time: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12].

The wikipedia relies on a volunteer workforce. Even if we feel angry at another contributor I suggest it is best to communicate clearly with them. Nothing is improved by withholding information from them, so they waste their time, even if, for the sake of argument, we think they wasted our time.

I have an essay on apologies. Please read it if you think I should feel obliged to apologize. Geo Swan (talk) 22:57, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

I am sure that your edits were made in good faith, but the move indicates an insufficient investigation of the subject matter on which it was premised. I was not aware that you were fixing links to the page, and cannot possibly inform every editor who might be doing so, given the breadth of the disambiguation community. However, this is precisely the reason why editors moving pages with substantial numbers of incoming links need to be sure that they are on the right track in so doing. Any editor can revert an undiscussed move, without notice to anyone else. Consider WP:Chesterton's fence. My time was wasted too, here. I started fixing these links, and it very quickly occurred to me that it would be very unusual for Wikipedia to be missing an article on a New York City Mayor. It only took a short time to research the question, but that was still time that I had to spend on it. I don't expect an apology. I expect that you will, in the future, apply that kind of forward thinking to these kinds of situations. bd2412 T 23:10, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

As a postscript, I think that you are overall a very good editor, and don't mean to detract from that opinion here. bd2412 T 23:28, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Fireboat article moved to draft

Another editor moved your article to draft space. You can find it at Draft:Unnamed fireboat, North Kingstown, RI I think the fireboat is named "Marine 5". Eastmain (talk • contribs) 10:45, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

I still don't understand why you wanted it moved from draft space to user space. You complain of a wikistalker, but I don't see evidence of a wikistalker. Maybe a vandal, but the usual way to deal with vandals is to revert and protect. I still don't understand. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:07, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

NPP Backlog Elimination Drive

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I need you help to save my first article Spandana Palli

I tried my best to get all the references and follow all the guidelines of wikipedia but I am being targeted from different sources. and as a beginner I am unable to save my article.Requesting to kindly save my first article and so that I will have trust that beginner can also contribute in wikipedia.

Am2623 (talk) 18:36, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

• Commented at Talk:Spandana Palli. Geo Swan (talk) 20:17, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Infobox at Te Kukupa

I added an infobox to Te Kukupa, but I left most of the lines blank because I didn't have the information. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 16:40, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

• Thanks! Geo Swan (talk) 01:13, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

User:Geo Swan/Eyad Alrababah

I'm going to delete this as a BLP violation. The closest these sources come to calling him an "Al-Qaida associate" is in that Fox article, which is sensationalist and reports only hearsay--and that is the source for your suggestion of continued importance, with "some commentators and legislators continued to call for his case to be further investigated", citing a few ex-FBI agents with a chip on their shoulder. The NY Daily News doesn't help you much either. So, case closed, suspect not guilty, no notability, and "routinely characterizes [sic] as an 'al Qaeda associate'" is simply not true. Drmies (talk) 22:10, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Drmies, I have read the draft, and do not consider it a BLP violation. I think he is essentially a public figure. The actual crimes of which he was convicted are minor, but nottheir obvious implications. He is discussed in two books, one of which, written by a NYT reporter with an article on WP, received a significant mainstream prize, , and the other from a less reliable Fox reporter, but published by a well known reliable mainstream publisher. The draft is sourced from articles in mainstream major newspapers--Washington Post, Chicago Tribune, & others. DGG ( talk ) 00:37, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

I strongly disagree and urge you to look at which parts were sourced to the Fox article, for instance. And "discussed" in those books--they are mere mentions. Drmies (talk) 00:42, 27 June 2018 (UTC)