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A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Small show of admiration for the way you conduct yourself from discussions to carefully-planned, solid edits :) ➤ Zᴇᴇx.ʀɪᴄᴇ ✪ (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 01:34, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks very much Zeex.rice. That is quite encouraging, as I think I have actually been getting heated a little in the recent days. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:43, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Zeyan Shafiq

Hello Kautilya 3, could you please share your opinion here here. –Kammil ⟨talk⟩ 16:41, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Pak-Aryan Migration

The “Indo-Aryan” is Fallacy of Modern History:

The terminology of Indo-Aryan Migration must also be changed as “Pak-Aryan Migration” because Aryan entered into modern Pakistan either from modern Afghanistan or from modern Iran and then moved away from River Indus towards River Ganga and Jumna after settling down for hundreds of years in regions which are part of modern Pakistan.

Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 08:30, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Sure. Panini called them ayudha-jivi sanghas, in modern parlance, "militant societies". It looks to me like the Aryans ran away from Pakistan as fast as they could. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:45, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

My my, what an attitude! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 12:12, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Well (he blushes). Modern maps are quite misleading because they create spaces and give the illusion of societies. But until very recent times, "Pakistan" was a blank space between Sindh and Gandhara. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:18, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Point 5353

Hi, please have a look at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Point_5353#Third_opinion. Your help is requested. Regards, Springnuts (talk) 17:58, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I rolled back your last edits to this article. May I encourage you to now focus your editing work elsewhere please? First, because you will not achieve what you wish to achieve; second because you will likely end up sanctioned for disruptive editing. If that feels too difficult, it may perhpas be time for a Wiki-break? With warmest good wishes, and all respect. Springnuts (talk) 16:13, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Springnuts, well, that is a surprise. Are you going to be an involved editor now? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:40, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

No, I am not; not least as I am not especially interested in this article (I have not even "watched" it). And that's the point: you clearly have very strong convictions about the article: given that three separate editors have reverted the changes you made to this article it would be best for you to leave it alone. Please do not misunderstand the spirit of friendship in which I left the note above for you: I believe moving on will protect your mental health and stress levels. There are currently 6,246,235 other articles in the English Wikipedia; many of which will benefit from your time and attention. With good wishes and all respect. Springnuts (talk) 15:03, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

If you are counting yourself among "three editors" then you are an involved editor, and you are subject to the same policies as every one else. And you need to justify your revert, rather than hiding behind "words to the wise". I have raised query on the article talk page, and I look forward to your response there. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:09, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

You will wait in vain. Happy editing. Springnuts (talk) 18:55, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Priya Ramani

Hello, I have reduced the quotes on Priya Ramani's page, to a degree that I think is sufficient to remove the tag you added, but I wanted to let you know and find out if you had any objections. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 21:57, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Beccaynr, thanks for letting me know. I will take a look. Please don't remove the template yourself unless there is a clear consensus on the talk page that it is not needed any more. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:04, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Extra-Harappan

My English is failing me; what does the following, from Witzel (2019), Early ' Aryans' and their neighbors outside and inside India p.5 , qouted at Sinauli, mean:

The archaeology of this period is little known,39 but it may still deliver surprises: the recently discovered items at Sinauli (just east of Delhi) include carts (not ‘chariots’),40 and copper inlaid coffins and swords, that clearly belong to the late Bronze Age (thus before 1000 BCE). This find may point to the survival of an extra-Harappan organized society. However, we need better dating (going beyond the Late Bronze Age label). [Note 40: Habitually, nearly all old carts are incorrectly called ‘chariots’ in the press and even in Indian scholarly papers.]

Non-Harappan? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:50, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

He means something like the "Indus periphery" of the geneticists. Witzel doesn't actually write English. He writes German and transliterates it into English :-) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:23, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Srinagar

Hi Kautilya,

I hope you are doing well. I just wanted to ask you if you could say if Government organisations are not reliable sources. In fact, I had posted the Kashmiri pronunciation of Srinagar which is Sirinagar with reference to our Kashmiri Language Dictionary published by the Jammu and Kashmir Academy of Arts Culture and Languages. My editings were reverted by stating that "Government organisations are not reliable sources". A dictionary written by Government Academy isn't a reliable source ? Imranqazi90 (talk) 14:03, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

I think the other editor is wrong. An "Academy of Arts" would be generally an autonomous organisation, just like Universities are. They don't necessarily represent the government viewpoint.

That. having been said, "Sri" and "Siri" are essentially the same word, one being Sanskrit and the other Prakrit. So it is not worth putting it in the lead. But the Kashmiri pronunciation should be certainly included. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:51, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a ton Kautilya3.I will add the Kashmiri pronunciation next to the English one. Imranqazi90 (talk) 05:52, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Jammu Massacre of 1947

Hi you seem to be active in the area. I was thinking of creating a stand alone article for the Jammu massacre of 1947 since there is none and the one which exists seems a diversion and deflection to downplay the killings of Muslims in Jammu by adding Mirpur and Rajouri information what do you think? Or we could add mention of the Jammu Massacre to those articles to explain prioe events regards. Himachal78 (talk) 08:58, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Nothing has been underplayed or overplayed. it is still the same as what it was when created in 2017. Jammu has been propagandised a lot. It is hard to unravel the truth. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:20, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

I agree so I propose a separate article free of Mirpur and Rajouri propaganda influence those articles themselves are heavily propagandist Himachal78 (talk) 10:58, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Anyways I shall go ahead a right up the Jammu Massacre of 1947 article you can add and assist as you please it deserves a separate page considering it was the much larger massacre. Himachal78 (talk) 11:08, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Creation of WP:POVFORKs is not allowed. It will get deleted. Your best bet is to raise your issues on the talk pages of the existing articles. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:33, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

It's not a fork considering the article is about several Massacres and not just Jammu Massacres it's 3 separate incidents throughout the region being discussed there and this will be solely on the events in Jammu under Hari Singhs reign just like Mirpur Massacre is about etc Himachal78 (talk) 11:42, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

If that's the case Mirpur and Rajouri are forks of Jammu Massacre and they all should be consolidated into Jammu. Himachal78 (talk) 11:43, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

YOu can propose merging the other two articles into 1947 Jammu massacres. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:54, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi it seems a merger proposal was already done in the past but you seemed to be the only one against it could you kindly explain why such excessive attention should be paid to Mirpur and Rajouri in a article related to Jammu Massacre? It seems like I said before a clear diversion/deflection strategy to downplay what happened in Jammu by pushing in mention of Mirpur and now Rajouri into every mention. Maybe we should add Jammu massacre to Mirpur and Rajouri articles instead ? That could balance it out. Himachal78 (talk) 19:18, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't have any in-principle objection to them being merged into the Jammu massacres page, but I would require that they be brought up to the same standard as the Jammu massacres page before they can be merged. This article is rated B-class. The other two are rated C-class (questionably) and start-class. If you have the energy and interest, bring them up to B-class and then we can merge them.

But I don't see how it will help you anyway. Since you are claiming that focus on Jammu is being "lost" because the other massacres are being mentioned there. Adding more content about them will reduce the focus even further. So I don't see any logic to it. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:48, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

So I think we can agree a separate article for Jammu Massacre alone is needed for balance. I may work on it but as of now I think it will be too much work for me on second thought and may as you said be deleted on erroneous grounds so I will just leave it as for now thank you Kautilya for conversing with me and for your input. Till we meet again Regards. Himachal78 (talk) 21:15, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Samboora, Jammu and Kashmir

Hello Kautilya, a discussion is going on here about the content of the same article. You may share your thoughts there. Thanks! –Kammill ⟨talk⟩ 11:22, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Annexation

The source/reference stated "Some (civilians) were lined up and shot by Indian Army soldiers" it goes onto say the Indian state has tried to cover up these crimes PremijAnans (talk) 22:48, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

What else does it say about the Indian Army? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:50, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

What do you mean ? I understand that Indian nationalism is at a peak right now and allot of Indian editors are trying to rewrite history as ordered by the BJP but you won't win this when other mods realise the source is proving me right PremijAnans (talk) 22:58, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

This is what else the source says about your Indian army " "We had absolutely unimpeachable evidence to the effect that there were instances in which men belonging to the Indian Army and also to the local police took part in looting and even other crimes." Its better you accept that Indian army are not angels and a reliable neutral source is stating this rather than a biased one which come from India mostly PremijAnans (talk) 23:04, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

No WP:SOAPBOXing please. You have already received an alert for ARBIPA sanctions.

The BBC story also said "The investigation team also reported, however, that in many other instances the Indian Army had behaved well and protected Muslims."

You are cherry-picking statements and distorting what has been said to suit your personal agenda. That is not permitted on Wikipedia. The article already describes the information available in an WP:NPOV way, if you bothered to read it. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:18, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Quotes

I have copy-pasted relevant portions but I fear that they may be too long. Will appreciate your help in reducing their volume. TrangaBellam (talk) 11:44, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

South Tibet

My edits regarding on the claims of the Republic of China (commmnly knwon as 'Taiwan') on the region could totally be verified by the map hyperlinked in the sentence.
ROC Administrative and Claims.svg
It is also a universally knwon fact in the Sinosphere.
There are also quite a few pages in the Chinese Wikipedia which could also support this fact: 中華民國地理極點 and 中華民國疆域 with almost all sources cited in the Chinese language.
-Pscmaczilhca (talk) 1:28, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello Pscmaczilhca, you cannot possibly state the claims of one sovereign country on another sovereign country's territory, and claim that it is "universally known"? Wikipedia is written based on reliable sources. In writing about international disputes, one has to be extremely picky and provide solid documentation. The map you cite is user-generated content and not any kind of reliable source. Please provide reliable sources that state exactly what your content says. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:08, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Five Fingers of Tibet

Kindly go through the first 2 paragraphs of the news article. It links the forceful occupation of Tibet with the motive of establishing border with South Asian states, and then mentions the five fingers claim. SignificantPBD (talk) 22:53, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

"Links" is too loose a term. You were saying on the page that the "five fingers" idea was the very reason for China to occupy Tibet. No, it isn't. There is complicated history between China and Tibet that goes back centuries. British India as well as independent India have always admitted that China possessed "suzerainty" over Tibet.

Moreover, this is not any kind of "news". The guy seems to be just spouting random opinions without any knowledge or understanding. I thinkg you would do better to avoid him in future. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 00:07, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Report filed at WP:AN

Your editing is the subject of another editor's report at AN. You'll find it here. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:54, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Tipu and Iyengars

Do you know of any high quality source which details the event? TrangaBellam (talk) 06:32, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't. I will try looking. You have checked the newspaper op-eds, I suppose? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:10, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes. Didn't find anything. TrangaBellam (talk) 21:13, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

No luck. I couldn't find anything either. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:46, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Also, are not the sources used over Captivity of Mangalorean Catholics at Seringapatam quite poor? Apart from the book published by Aakar, Munshiram Manoharlal. Mohibbul Hasan and district gazetteers. TrangaBellam (talk) 09:26, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Check this recent publication. Lot of the allegations seem to not stand scrutiny. Also, are Good Articles editable? TrangaBellam (talk) 11:19, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, the GAs are quite editable. They don't get a free pass for anything. The GA-reviews mostly deal with cosmetic issues anyway, unless the reviewer was especially knowledgeable. I cleaned up some of the POV that has been added since the last peer reivew. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:29, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! TrangaBellam (talk) 11:34, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

This paper has a nice summary of Mohibbul Hassan and other sources:

• More, J. B. P. (2003), Tipu Sultan and the Christians, Islam and Christian-Muslim Relations, vol. 14, pp. 313–324, doi:10.1080/09596410305262

-- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:57, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Regarding the current sources on the page, one of the Fernandes books has a good review from Panikkar. JSTOR 3517708. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:25, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

• And, are Paralakhemundi state and Pedda Khimedi notable? TrangaBellam (talk) 13:36, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Parlakhemundi rings a bell. I had to look it up for something or other. Does it hurt to have these pages around? If nothing else, they are mentioned in the Imperial Gazetteer. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:57, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

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Feedback request on academic consensus

Hey, you were the first editor who commented on my edits, and are clearly a wiki veteran, hence I am asking you. Please check the recent section on academic consensus being argued out on Narendra Modi talk page. It is difficult to establish academic consensus in something as controversial as the 2002 post-Godhra riots, and without a review article or extensive sourcing, can a single statement on consensus from a monograph be sufficient to establish academic consensus?Nolopassaro99 (talk) 16:56, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Nara

This inaccuracy sparked my interest. Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 09:42, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Ok, but it is not "Nara river". It is "Nara canal" built in modern times, which is using the Hakra channel for part of its way. Pakistan is an expert at recharging dried up river beds by pushing Indus water into them. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:49, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

It's also called "Eastern Nara." See McIntosh, and Clift et al. (2012). Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 11:02, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

RESTORE THE ORIGINAL VERSION

hey dear buddy i want to draw your attention on the wikipedia page on rajput from last two days there is a edit war on the page there are two three profiles which are just 1 -2 months old are adding some propganda reference and investing heavy time on editing the whole article completely and prsenting it in derogatory way to . the intent of these editors are clear to change page content to malign the image. the page is now protected by them after editing ,a heavy editing and page makeover is done in past two days ,kindly look into the matter and restore the page to last stable version .--Loneltrussia (talk) 05:52, 18 August 2020 (UTC

Your comment on this discussion.

Hey, Hope you are well. There is a discussion going on at WikiProject Jammu and Kashmir. Your comment will be appreciated. Check out here. Thankyou. Iflaq ^(talk) 11:54, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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		Kautilya, here is a small gift from me. I really appreciate what you have done and what are you doing in the WikiProject India. –Hulged ⟨talk⟩ 12:53, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Hope you liked it! –Hulged ⟨talk⟩ 12:55, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Hulged. Nice to make your acquaintance. I look forward to working with you in future. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:25, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

It will be a great pleasure to work with you. Have a good time! –Hulged ⟨talk⟩ 15:31, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Kuthi Valley

In section Nepalese claims in Kuthi Valley it is stated "The Byans region was originally part of Kumaon" which is wrong. Byans and Chaudans were under the administration of the Raja of Jumla while Darma and Johar pattis were under the administration of Doti. Doti and Jumla were independent kingdoms which formed United Baise Rajya in western Nepal.

During 13th to 17th century the western Nepal and Uttarakhand were under the Khas Kings who had independent kingdoms but they were allied as Baise Rajya and Chaubisi Rajya. Sometime in history Doti was allied with Kingdoms of Uttarakhand but later allied with Baisi Rajya and many small kingdoms of Uttarakhand were under the Khas Kingdoms ruling in Western Nepal so you can not extract some part of Western Nepal or Uttarakhand claiming were part of this or that kingdoms. --- 👤Raju💌 15:44, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Raju Babu, my statement was based on the cited source which said:

By treaty the Kali was made the boundary on the east, and this arrangement divided into two parts [the] parganah Byans, which had hitherto been considered as an integral portion of Kumaon as distinguished from Doti and Jumla.

I don't know the earlier history and I don't think it is particularly relevant to the Nepalese claims section. If you want, you can add a separate section on History, but please be brief. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:42, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

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April 2021

Hi Kautilya3,I appreciate your suggestions and feedback on the editing done in article Borderless World Foundation.As the article needed citations from relevant sources so used them.However will see to follow wiki guidelines on the same too.Thank you.Cheers.Gardenkur (talk) 10:38, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Gardenkur, yes, please feel free to add your new content but without any addition of wikilinks to the existing text. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:17, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

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HindusforNepal (talk) 15:16, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

If something seems strange to you in the article of Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, remove it don't undo the whole writing and passage. HindusforNepal (talk) 15:16, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Rashtrapati Bhavan

Would you kindly check these edits by a new user, who seems to have a POV. They removed any and every mention "Viceroy's House" from the article as well as substantially curbed things associated with the British, alongwith former names of cities. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:20, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

A personal update

I have shifted back to the east coast of Tamilnadu after 11 years in the mountains of Himachal. As I am retired from my full-time job, I have more time to devote to photography and related pursuits. See my quality images of Tamilnadu. --Tagooty (talk) 15:56, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Awesome pictures again. I can read a sign saying "jungle <something>" on the other side of the temple! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:05, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! "Jungle Hut" ... the resort where we stayed, one of the few that is legally open. The technical capabilities of modern digital cameras is something I'd never imagined 20 years ago when I had a film SLR. --Tagooty (talk) 13:51, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

April 2021

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Anglo-Manipur War. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. 🐲 ꯂꯨꯋꯥꯪ ^{ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ (talk)} 08:24, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

New section needed

Hello and hi. See this discussion[1] on the article Covid 19 Pandemic in India. The consensus is to create a new section for Kumb Mela superspreader. I have no past experience editing this page, or else I would have done that. If you have no concerns, would you do the honours.? Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 14:17, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93 and SpacemanSpiff:, I wonder if either of you can close this discussion at Talk:COVID-19 in India and tell the editors the way forward. (I can't do so since I am involved.) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:35, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm afraid I've edited that page substantively too; but consensus seems fairly clear. A subsection would be the logical outcome. Vanamonde (Talk) 00:29, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Neutrality

Your edit in Greater Nepal has lack of Neutrality as per Wikipedia's neutrality policy. Please don't add your opinion here. PN27 (talk) 05:52, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

As you told they don't mention local people,There is no need to talk about these people in a concept related article and your way of delivering it is not neutral.

PN27 (talk) 05:57, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Information icon Please do not add commentary, your own point of view, or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to 1951. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you.PN27

PN27 (talk) 05:59, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

I propose that sections Impact section of COVID-19 Pandemic in India be split into a separate page called Impact of COVID-19 in India . The content of the current page seems off-topic and these sections are large enough to make their own page.

Constant and unexplained reverting

Hi Kautliya3, I have noticed that you are constantly reverting even my good faith or sourced edits, as you did in the recent edits in Jammu city. It is in disputed region administered by India, not an universally acknowledged india's "union territory". Hope you understand about it, don't keep doing that. Thank you Aglrochisat (talk) 12:02, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

If you want to add the disputed nature of any part of Kashmir, you need to obtain the consensus of WikiProjects India and Pakistan. Moreover, the characterisation needs to be applied to all parts of Kashmir, not just the bits that strike your fancy. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:36, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi

Hello, I only added a flag on the Hunza Valley page as an improvement. I don't think anything is wrong with that :/ other cities like Skardu and Danyor also have flags, I'm very sorry if I did something wrong. - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Idontknow1213 (talk • contribs)

Hi Idontknow1213, As per WP:INFOBOXFLAG, flags are generally discouraged in infoboxes, and they are definitely undesirable in disputed areas. Please feel free to remove any flags you find in any Kashmir region page. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:02, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Ok thanks, sorry if I did anything wrong — Preceding unsigned comment added by Idontknow1213 (talk • contribs) 12:03, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Idontknow1213, thanks for understanding. Please note that when an edit is reverted, the edit summary generally tells you why the edit was reverted. You should not normally reinstate the edit without paying attention to it. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:16, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

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Your comment at an ANI thread

Your comment got removed. Probably due to an edit-conflict. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:25, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

I did not removed it intentionally, it must be because you and me edited at the same time I was unable to comment due to edit conflict prompt,I copied my own text I just took refresh and added my comment 🐲 ꯂꯨꯋꯥꯪ ^{ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ (talk)} 18:22, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

I know. We all get edit conflicts from time to time. But whatever you did wasn't the right thing to do. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:57, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Category and article on traditional Himachal cableways?

Commons has categories such as commons:Cableways in Himachal Pradesh etc. These have only photos of modern powered cableways. I have a collection of photos of traditional manually-operated cableways in Himachal. I've started to add these to Commons (search for Jhulla in the above CAT). I would like your advice on a suitable name for a Commons sub-category. Some thoughts: "Cableways (traditional) in Himachal Pradesh", "Cableways, manual, in Himachal Pradesh", "Human-powered cableways in Himachal Pradesh"? We could use the word "jhulla" but that may not be meaningful to a global readership?
Looking through several articles on ropeways, cableways, aerial transport in Wikipedia, I find no mention of these traditional Himachali (Himalayan) cableways. It would be good to have an article on these as they played a crucial role in the lives of mountain people and continue to do so in many remote villages.
Would appreciate your thoughts. --Tagooty (talk) 03:28, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Tagooty, I think "Traditional cableways in Himachal Pradesh" sounds right. It can be a subcategory of c:category:Cableways in Himachal Pradesh. An article on them would be great! If only we can find sources! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:01, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. --Tagooty (talk) 10:04, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Nathu La and Cho La clashes

Hi, Kautilya3

A anonymous user just put a randon kill number of claims by china replacing the previous number, can you revert his/her recent edit pls? Swtadi143 (talk) 13:49, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

關於東沙群島。

我想無論中國指的是中華民國，還是中華人民共和國，東沙群島屬於中國是沒有爭議的吧！

也許你要說不，是台灣，但實際並沒有任何以台灣為正式稱呼的國家，現在稱呼為台灣的國家，就是中華民國，中國的舊政府，而且除了中華民國，東沙群島并沒有任何其他爭議國家。也和西方無任何關係吧！那麽爲什麽要用一個西方的名字，而不用爭議雙方都能接受的名稱呢？就像如果當初東德和西德對西柏林聲稱主權時，國際上爲了“中立”，稱呼其為“xibolin”而不是“West Berlin”一樣荒謬！Nkywvuong (talk) 10:35, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

The English Wikipedia summarises the information contained in English language reliable sources. All other political battles do not affect this criterion. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:38, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

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Battle of Rajasthan

Shouldn't the first deletion discussion be at Talk:Umayyad campaigns in India? Looks like someone did a copy paste move. Is Battle of Kangra also a part of the same campaign? --RegentsPark (comment) 22:59, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi RP, we already discussed it before renaming the page. There should have been a redirect left around under the old title. I don't know what happened to it.

Battle of Kangra is unrelated, even though that seems to be an equally bad page. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:05, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Ah. I see that Utcursch didn't leave a redirect behind when he moved it. BTW, nice picture above. --RegentsPark (comment) 23:24, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

reverting on talk pages

I don't know if you are aware, but reverting posts to talk pages is an infringement of wiki policy. I realise that you are a fairly new user, but 7 years is surely enough. Anyway, I suggest you check this out with a view to avoiding future infringements. Achar Sva (talk) 03:33, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

June 2021

Your recent editing history at Xaidulla shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.
A slow-motion edit war is still and WP:EW. Toddst1 (talk) 19:00, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Toddst1, thanks for finding all those old socks and listing them! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:12, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

I've also requested page protection as that editor was blocked 11 years ago! but the infinitely wise have declined my request. Toddst1 (talk) 23:33, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Rajput resistance

Hii Mr. Kautliya, Since you are an expert in history, Can you please take a look at Rajput resistance to Muslim conquests article and fix some puffery and mistakes in recent addition.2402:8100:2169:D2C0:9ADC:D2C7:96DB:662F (talk) 13:30, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

I notice Alivardi is watching the page. Perhaps LukeEmily might be interested too. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:43, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Sorry Kautilya3 and IP. I do not know much about this topic. My interest lies mostly in Sanskritization and its effect on women and children as it relates to castes.LukeEmily (talk) 15:41, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

@LukeEmily: No problem, puffery is already sorted out by White Horserider, you just need to fix the lead of article and make it more nuanced as per content in body of article.

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AfC: Khanahr village, Himachal

I've submitted an article for review. Could you review it or help get it reviewed soon? Thanks. --Tagooty (talk) 04:37, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

It is reviewed and published, thanks. --Tagooty (talk) 13:41, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Adam's Bridge

• Adam's Bridge article title name change to Ram Setu or If you can't do that than change name of the article title to Ram Setu/Adam's Bridge which is the same name as given by international google map to stay neutral, The current wikipedia article title is not neutral at all and must be removed immediately

Hello, Kautilya3. I request you to change the title of the wikipedia page Adam's Bridge to Ram Setu. Both India and Srilanka call it Ram Setu only the outsiders i.e the foreign countries call it the Adam's bridge. How can foreginers name be in title when the bridge squarely falls in India and Srilanka's territory. Its like for a hypothetical example suppose all foreginers can call the capital of India Queen city without calling it Delhi. Ofcourse we would not put that name Queen city in title, We will only put the name Delhi in title because the power of naming the title name "or naming the territory under International Law" squarely falls in the hand of the country who own's the territory. And Queen city name will be put in the wikipedia page in it's first sentence by putting words of "also known as" because most foreigners know it with that name. So do you understand why is it important to put Ram Setu as the title and Adam's bridge "as also known as part in the first sentence of that wikipedia page"... Hopefully you change the title as soon as possible, it is related to the soveregin rights of Srilanka and India as independent countries to name the territory under international law, how can some foreigner name be in the title when the two countries who mutually hold the territory and the territory squarely falls under the two countries mutual jurisdication/control and they both mutually agree with the name and call it Ram Setu. and you can put the other names like Adam's bridge, Rama's bridge and Rama Setu in the also known as part in the first sentence of that wikipedia page.. Humble request to you! Swtadi143 (talk) 11:08, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Here are multiple well known Indian newspapers websites and news broadcasters like Hindustantimes and Quint calling it Ram Setu and the international Google map also call's that bridge Ram Setu, I know the International google map call's it Ram Setu because I am from Nepal and My google map is showing the bridge's name as Ram Setu/Adam's Bridge. Also since there is already a hindu temple called Rama Setu just near the bridge as you can see from your google map you cannot name the bridge as Rama setu that is why the Indian government names it as Ram Setu removing the letter "a" from the word "Rama" and that is confirmed and accepted google by showing the name in the international google map to its international viewers by the name Ram Setu. So please the change the article title page name from Adam's Bridge to Ram Setu as soon as possible and I am waiting for your response hope you reply here. https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/ram-setu-a-man-made-structure-or-natural-ichr-to-explore/story-T9AtcmeKTvM6HVmIT5ulMO.html

https://www.thequint.com/explainers/explained-the-ram-setu-adam-bridge-under-water-expedition-in-2021

If suppose you cant change the name entirely than put the neutral name like Ram Setu/Adam's Bridge as article title name of the wikipedia page which is the same name used in the international google map which shows the bridge's name as Ram Setu/Adam's bridge. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swtadi143 (talk • contribs)

This has been discussed on the article's talk page many times. The page title is chosen as per Wikipedia policy of using the predominant name in the English language sources. Why does matter so much anyway? Nobody is denying that it is called "Rama Setu" by the Indians. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 13:06, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Ganwapi mosque issue

The edit I did was just that I added a "alleged" there. Because there is only one source which take about the destruction by aurangzeb. And even that is challenged by modern Historians. And there are many contrary and logical arguments against it. In view of all this I just added that it is alleged Mohammed aquib k (talk) 09:23, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

The lead summarises the body. Have you read the body? Did you notice an entire section devoted to the demolition of the temple? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:28, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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		Thank you for keeping India-related articles in a good shape. Ab207 (talk) 05:48, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Ab207. That is very kind. Nice to make your acquaintance! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 06:08, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

An interesting book: Wronged by Empire

Have you read this? Any thoughts? TrangaBellam (talk) 20:38, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I was going to suggest it to you in fact. It is more your kind of book than mine, but it is an interesting read. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:37, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

I find it hard to equate China and India on their "post-imperialism". China still rails about its "century of humiliation", whereas India voluntarily became a member of the British Commonwealth.

China's post-imperialism is also a cover for its own present imperialism. China was deprived of its Tibetan inheritance by British imperialism, not because the Tibetans hated them and wanted them gone.

It is also a convenient tactic, e.g., to mark the McMahon Line as "illegal" and to embarrass India by forcing it to defend its former imperialist masters. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 07:08, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

FPC

FYI, I've nominated my image of the Spiti river for Featured Picture in Wikipedia. --Tagooty (talk) 04:12, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Potential biased editor.

I noticed that you deleted and reverted the information which came from reliable source and pushing your opinion and Ideology and being one sided. Kindly allow the readers to read all sides of arguments according to reliable source and make wikipedia better . If you have a problem then provide a reliable source and discuss on the talk page of the "Indogenous aryanism " and be neutral rather than biased. Thank you KnowledgeHunter9090 (talk) 23:04, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Regarding your edit war warning on my talk page

I have no issues with your warning per se. But it's clearly double standard that you have only accused me of engaging in edit ear while neglect User:UserXPD's identical actions. HypVol (talk) 09:47, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi HypVol, all edits to Wikipedia are subject to WP:CONSENSUS. If you want to make a change that other editors disagree with, the WP:ONUS (responsibility) is on you to achieve CONSENSUS. Opening a talk page discussion is the first step. All the best! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:58, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Prithviraj Chauhan

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Prithviraj Chauhan as a moderator. Be civil, neutral and objective on that discussion. White Horserider (talk) 23:56, 20 June 2021 (UTC) Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 21:39, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

White Horserider, I will try to participate, but I can't be a moderator. It is too hard a job. If you really need a moderated discussion, you need to go to WP:DRN.

Meanwhile, I would advise you to refrain from making disparaging comments on scholars. Cynthia Talbot does bring a fresh historical perspective on caste issues, which is quite valuable. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:08, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

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Regarding Demography infobox of Hindus

Plz change the number range in the infobox of Hindu population of Bangladesh (x) 13,790,000–17,000,000 into (y) 17,000,000-25,000,000. As according to 2019 Bangladesh Bureau of estimation, there are around 25 million Hindus living in the nation.

Below is the reference -

[2] 2409:4065:D84:1DA2:73D:B7EF:C48E:C881 (talk) 15:02, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

 Note: This is not the place to request an edit to that article. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:28, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

About Бмхүн abuse of IP. Leave a record so that you can find him and communicate quickly in the future

Kautilya3You may not receive the notification, but I will record 103.157.251.2's main account here so that you can directly question him if he abuses his IP in the future.61.224.13.7 (talk) 09:10, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

His main account is Special:Contributions/Бмхүн

He often us 103.157.251.2,103.157.251.50,103.157.251.34. Sometimes,he use 103.157.251.20.

I don’t think he was unintentional. If you focus on his activities in ZH Wiki, you can find more problems.

• Any way, I have reminded you, if he continues to do similar things in the future, it is your freedom to find an IP to communicate or a registered account to communicate.--61.224.13.7 (talk) 23:54, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	All the best. V. E. (talk) 18:33, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Visnelma. I hope you are enjoying your time at Wikipedia? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:48, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

New article: Mud village, Spiti

I would appreciate your comments on this article that I've written. --Tagooty (talk) 12:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Tagooty, sorry for the delay. It seems like a nice place. I wonder however if there is more interesting information that can go in the Description section, instead of the routine info like population and transportation.

For example, this Pin Parvati trekking route.

Or the fact that it is the "first village" of the Pin valley along this route [3].

And also that it is a Nyingmapa holdout [4].

Also, I am wondering where the source is for the claim that they speak "Bhoti". Note that "Bhoti" is currently a redirect to Ladakhi language. There is a separate Spiti Bhoti, which is probably what is meant here.

Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 23:22, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

I also wonder if we should rename Spiti Valley to "Spiti", so that we don't have to write brain twisters like "Mud is in Pin Valley in the Spiti Valley"? Spiti is a historical region and perfectly entitled to have a page for itself. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:55, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

There is also a nice comment in this report of Harish Kapadia. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:14, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the pointers and suggestions. Bhoti is mentioned in the Census 2011 doc (page ref. added, link changed to "Spiti Bhoti"). Followed up on your suggestions. Please see the substantially improved article. --Tagooty (talk) 05:07, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Tagooty, The census is not reliable in this context, because it only records what the populace claims. The "Bhoti" issue is highly controversial. Generally, the Tibetic people along the frontier have started claiming that they speak "Bhoti" if they use the Tibetan script for anything. We need to factor it through the information from linguists. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:04, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Library

Can you check if OUP databases work for you? See User_talk:Samwalton9#OSO, thanks. TrangaBellam (talk) 06:43, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @TrangaBellam: I have the same problem, all content is red-locked when I access OUP via the WP Library Card. –Austronesier (talk) 09:38, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

All content? I can access The Later Middle Ages by Isabella Lazzarini, which was advertised on their front page. (I haven't used OSO via the Library Card much.) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:54, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Also, Kashmir's Contested Pasts: Narratives, Sacred Geographies, and the Historical Imagination.

The trouble is that when you search for stuff, it gives plenty of links to "University Press Scholarship" website. I doubt if the latter is covered by the Library Card. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:58, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

I can't get a full view of Lazzarini's book. I'm signed in with "The Wikipedia Library", but after the first paragraph of every chapter it says I need a subscription. And at least these three books are not accessible for me any more:

• The Oxford Handbook of African Languages
• The Concise Oxford Dictionary of World Religions
• The Oxford Guide to the Transeurasian Languages

Two days ago, I could still read them. Can you access them? –Austronesier (talk) 11:19, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

You are right! It is only showing one paragraph per section. Mea culpa. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kautilya3 (talk • contribs)

Let's just have an eye on this first, maybe its just a bug that disappears overnight... –Austronesier (talk) 19:47, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

On another note, can you people watch list Bhotiyas of Uttarakhand? That page is seeing some contentious activity. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:46, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

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Re: debt-trap diplomacy page

Thanks - I put that in there to appease the rather vehement POV of Nvtuil (talk · contribs) but as you point out that's unverifiable information. I think there might be one other place in that article where it exists, so I can fix that. At any rate, the edit warring that Nvtuil (talk · contribs) has been doing on the page has been reported to admins, so hopefully we can all move on.Ecthelion83 (talk) 22:50, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

South Asia Scholar Activist Collective

Some of our members have written before about how the Hindu right uses ideas designed to deconstruct bias to achieve the opposite. But the Hindu right has also made bad-faith claims of bias as a smokescreen to protect its members’ own extreme bias. It is a delicate matter to explain this method of shielding odious politics from criticism, but we refer you to the field manual as a start.

-- Kautilya3 (talk) 00:22, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

See Talk:Anti-Hindu_sentiment#Hinduphobia. TrangaBellam (talk) 21:36, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Good. Unforunately, scholar-activism is a double-edged sword. We never know whether they being scholars or activists in any given instance. It may be good for the activist project (even though that is also doubtful) but certainly not good for the scholarship project. Scholarship fundamentally depends on "disinterest". -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:46, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't agree. That a certain group of quite reputed S. Asian scholars feel that Hinduphobia is a bogeyman, matters. However, we need to be careful in presenting their statements with all the context.

The act of writing history or producing anything resembling historical scholarship is always dictated by the politics of the time in which they are written. Subaltern histories and feminist histories are the particularly egregious kinds. In the Indian context, this article by Neeladri Bhattacharya is quite good. TrangaBellam (talk) 06:12, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes, but those schlars don't call themselves "activists", even though sometimes we can recognise that they are activists secretly. Activism can tilt their balance of judgement adversely, and make their scholarly pronouncements less accurate and less effective. Everybody is welcome to fight against Hindtuva, including scholars. But the scholars need to decide for themselves whether they are more useful to the society as scholars or as activists.

So far, I don't see anything in their website that is controversial. But I wouldn't use any of it as a reliable source. They do provide links to published works, which we can use.

My purpose of posting it here is to point to the 'Field Manual', which is useful for us as Wikipedians. We also need to deal with the Hindutva misinformation and face Hindutva attacks. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:13, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

I think we agree to disagree on whether the source is a WP:RS or not. WP:SPS provides some guidance. TrangaBellam (talk) 09:34, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Yup, it says: Exercise caution when using such sources: if the information in question is suitable for inclusion, someone else will probably have published it in independent reliable sources. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:02, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

References

Graduate syllabus

• Check out this. Is this some kind of model syllabus that would be followed by all Indian universities? The choice of text-books is quite interesting but not surprising. TrangaBellam (talk) 09:34, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

• I would say conservatism has a place in society. But you also need to compare it to the syllabi of our neighbouring countries, especially those of China. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:06, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Why, they asked, should the Indian past be framed through religious categories? Could an entire phase of history ever be termed Hindu or Muslim? If chronology was a way of framing history, this particular framing was problematic. It seemed to suggest that religion is the essence of Indian past, that it shaped and defined everything, from thinking and action to the temporality of history. (Neeladri Bhattacharya)

Let us first note that "Hindu" and "Muslim" weren't "religious" categories. The fact that the expatriate Greeks in a remote corner of Asia stopped pronouncing the leading "H" doesn't mean that India had for ever changed from "Hindia" to "India". "Hindu" was a national description and continued to be so until modern politics took over. And, "Muslims" weren't recognised as Muslims by Indians, but rather as mlecchas or yavanas, which in this context meant foreigners. The Muslim elites, till the time of independence, thought of themselves as colonisers, and, after partition, went to colonise Pakistan.

The laymen think of history as presenting the objective reality of the past. Maybe professional historians recognise that the objective reality is too hard to get hold of, and they understand only certian "perspectives". But to deny that any such reality exists and only perspectives remain is a distortion of what the historians are supposed to be doing. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:56, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

This belongs at the section, above?

They weren't religious categories but dozens of nationalist and colonial historians had already used it in the religious sense, to periodize Indian History. Which was opposed.

How did you arrive at that "the Muslim elites, till the time of independence, thought of themselves as colonisers"? TrangaBellam (talk) 07:02, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, both the sections are merged now. I was giving this example to show how both the Left and the Right are equally guilty of writing agenda-driven histories. No matter what they write, 99% of Indians think of the medieval period as the "Muslim period". And I don't think there is anything wrong in doing that. It is only when you start politicising it that problems arise. Instead of denying the Hinduness and the Muslimness, the historians should be focusing on studying and highlighting the significant interactions and intermixing of the two, like for example the latest book of Audrey Truschke. But thinking of "Hindu" and "Muslim" as merely religions is something respectable historians should never do. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:08, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

"The Courtesan, the Mahatma and the Italian Brahmin" by Manu S. Pillai shows India as a rich, indivisible amalgam of religions and cultures. --Tagooty (talk) 03:35, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

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Assessment of new articles

I've created 7 articles over the past 1 1/2 years, mostly villages in Himachal. All are listed as Start-class. Some of these I believe meet the criteria for B-class or C-class articles. I found processes for A-class, GA and FA, but could not find the process for B/C-class. Could you help, please? --Tagooty (talk) 13:56, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

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D. Siddiqui

We shall wait for news-reports rather than op-eds? TrangaBellam (talk) 05:52, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

There is enough coverage in mainstream news I think. [5]. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:44, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

American Enterprise Institute. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:47, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

I have mixed views about AEI but Rubin is not reliable at all. See note b in the article. TrangaBellam (talk) 08:50, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

I see Newslaundry being non-commital, but quite a few details are corroborated by their own story. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:02, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello there

Sorry about the Namche Barwa revert. I like Britannica and as you probably know, I've used it on WP. In some matters, though, it seems to use old-fashioned terminology. It could be that during the British period, everything was characterized relative to the territory of British India.

Thus Nanda Devi, which is in Garhwal (and in the pre-1947 princely state of Tehri Garhwal), is still being described on Britannica to be in the Kumaon Himalayas.(see here) Kumaon, of course, was in British India proper (at least after the Anglo-Gurkha wars), which Garhwal was not. So, if we say ND a mountain in Garhwal belongs to the Kumaon Himalayas, we would be confusing some readers. Similarly, "NB, a mountain in Southern Tibet, which is in the Assam Himalayas," would probably also be confusing, and maybe POV on WP, especially today. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:59, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

I was wrong there. I entirely forgot about Pauri Garhwal, to which ND really belonged, and which was indeed also in British India proper. Still, I think we need to use alternative NPOV terminology. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:08, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Fowler&fowler, if there is a newer term that has been coined to replace "Assam Himalaya", I wouldn't mind using it. But I don't think there is. I see the geographers and geologists still using the term.

Since I have accepted the EB terminology of "Kashmir" for Kashmir region, I believe I am entitled to use other terms that might similarly seem POV from our point of view. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:27, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Kashmir has little to do with Britannica. It has to do with what the British called the princely state: Kashmir and Jammu, and commonly just Kashmir. In other words, everything added to the Raja of Jammu's hereditary territory in the 1830s, was called Kashmir after the British gifted it to him for his display of enlightened self-interest (British POV) or treachery (Sikh POV). From the 1850s onward, Ladakh, Gilgit, Baltistan, were all a part of Kashmir. Webster's, for example, the premier dictionary of AmE, defines it: "Kash·mir geographical name \ ˈkash-ˌmir , ˈkazh-, kash-ˈ, kazh-ˈ \ formerly Cash·mere mountainous region of the northern part of the Indian subcontinent west of Tibet and southwest of Xinjiang Uygur — see also kashmiri Note: Kashmir includes the valley called Vale of Kashmir that is watered by the Jhelum River." Of the nearly 120 academic encyclopedias or companions that mention "Kashmir," only some 15 call it the "Kashmir region". I will examine the sources of Namche Barwa's location next. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:56, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

There is no scholarly or semi-scholarly encyclopedia or companion (i.e. published by an academic publisher) which describes Namche Barwa as lying in the Assam Himalayas. See here. But there seem to be three which mention it without mentioning "Assam Himalayas." See here. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 16:10, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

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Hi Bhima Palavīṉamāṉa, I gave you an alert, not a warning. The alert says that you are responsible for following Wikipedia policies while editing pages regarding India (amog others). Failure to do so can invite sanctions.

I also gave you a welcome message, which gives links to all the policies. It will take to study them all and understand them. Meanwhile, you need to go slow, take up on issue at a time, and achieve resolution before proceeding further. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:16, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

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Recent edits

Hello. I noticed you on the talk page of "Caste system among South Asian Muslims". You seem to care about correct sourcing. So, I have made a few recent edits on this page. However, after doing so, I'm not sure if these edits are correct. Can you take a look and correct any errors that I might have introduced. Hopefully, I haven't done so. But it is worth checking for the integrity of the page. Thanks. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 00:19, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Steve Quinn, yes, you did the right thing by reverting. However, the new content that has been added doesn't quite mesh with the old intro. So, some harmonising is needed. For the time being, it can remain. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:30, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Kautilya3 Thanks very much for taking a look. And feel free to make any changes you deem appropriate or necessary. Unfortunately, this not one of the areas in which I am most knowledgeable. In general, I am able to follow with what sources say, and that is about it. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 23:18, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

August 2021

someone has changed the map in the article Azad Kashmir from this to this without any consensus on talk page, which is against wikipedia POV, so i request you to revert that editFollowbrocode (talk) 11:47, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Kautilya, this user User talk:SuperSonic54 has been making one sided edits and is not willing to listen to the other editors. Can you please take a look at their editing and put some breaks to their speed if necessary. Thanks Sharkslayer87 (talk) 17:21, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Bengal War

Is this real? It looks like WP:SYNTH and the reference for the name, a list of battles, doesn't support the extent of the war in the article. Could you take a look? --RegentsPark (comment) 15:45, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) What a mess. Delete the article? See Ambashthy, B. P. (1966). "FRESH LIGHT ON SHAH ALAM'S SECOND INVASION OF BIHAR IN 1760 AS LEARNED FROM RAJA RAM NARAIN'S TWO UNPUBLISHED LETTERS". Proceedings of the Indian History Congress. 28: 319–337. ISSN 2249-1937. TrangaBellam (talk) 06:20, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

McMahon Line

The Inner and Outer Lines were vastly different in the south (Assam/Nagaland). Most of the issues you have had with the article recently has been due to the special nature of British rule in the northeast, which was different from the rest of the country. Chaipau (talk) 09:03, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Chaipau, since we are discussing the McMahon Line on that page, I don't think Assam's border with Nagaland is relevant. We should also stick to compass directions when we speak of "north", "east" etc. rather than what the sources might use. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:35, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

I agree with you and that is why no mention of the southern Inner Line is made in the text. But it is important to specify which Inner Line we are talking about here, which we have identified as the northern one. So I think we are in agreement. Chaipau (talk) 16:26, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

No, we are not. We are talking about the border with Tibet, which is in the north and east. So, the qualification of "north" that you have added suggests that it does not apply to the east. I am afraid you are being tunnel-visioned, worrying about your own issues which have nothing to do with the page. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:03, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Proposing a new Tag & Assess

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Have proposed a New Tag & Assess for WikiProject India here. Do let us know your view. :) Happy editting! Ashwin Baindur (User:AshLin) (talk) 05:53, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi again

Hi again Kautilya, I don't mean to nag you but I just want to bring this to your notice. This user User talk:SuperSonic54 has been making contentious edits that are revolving around a particular "caste". They were warned previously by several editors but they blanked most of the warnings. They removed content here by calling it not constructive. They removed content here claiming that content has no source but a closer examination reveals that is not the case. They made this edit claiming they were making a spelling correction but they actually removed sourced content. I reverted their edit but they once again made the same edit yesterday once again claiming that they were making a spelling correction but in reality they once again removed sourced content. Most of their edits are revolving around Reddy caste. I am not sure how to handle this. Can you help me. Thanks Sharkslayer87 (talk) 12:26, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

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Capture of Kishangarh Fort--RegentsPark (comment) 17:18, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

G4-ed. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:52, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

What a strange case of circular copying! TrangaBellam (talk) 19:39, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh, wow! I had completely forgotten about the old AfD. I think that version stayed around for several years. So it is not surprising that it made into a book. I added it to WP:PUS. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 01:42, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

scholarship for philosophical books

Hi Kautilya3, How are you? I am thinking of writing that article I had started but left half way last year(Vairagya Shatakam by Bhartrihari). It is a great philosophical work. However, the only sources and commentaries I am able to find are by religiousa and Sanskrit scholars. Most are not academic and some are pre-Independence. Is that OK for such topics? For example: https://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/vivekananda/volume_9/writings_prose_and_poems/bhartriharis_verses.htm Thanks LukeEmily (talk) 21:14, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi LukeEmily, I think it is ok to base articles on internal scholarship when there are no academic sources. Note, however, that what your mentioned above is a translation, i.e., WP:PRIMARY source. In any case, please create a draft in your user space so that we can look at it and see how it is shaping up. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:22, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

We already have an article. However, in all likelihood, the author was not someone with the name of Bhartṛhari. There are multiple academic sources: see scholarship of Greg Bailey, D. D. Kosambi, and Johannes Bronkhorst among others. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:55, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks TrangaBellam and Kautilya3.LukeEmily (talk) 19:37, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

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HI not sure why you are posting on my talk page. Do you have me mixed up with someone else?Xoltron (talk) 23:03, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Ah Ok I did some research and realized you are trying to bully me based on a discussion I started on the Indo-Aryan Languages talk page. What you are doing here is highly inappropriate and it's not how wikipedia works. I am sorry that you are apparently angry and upset, but engaging in outright fraudulent accusations is not how we do things on Wikipdiea. Please Consider this a warning and refrain from engaging in further bullying activities.Xoltron (talk) 23:21, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

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Instrument of Accession (Kalat)

Dear Kautilya3, new page has emerged above created by user Wiki31295 (check his user page he is clearly biased and believes in Akhand Bharat) he has basically created a Point of View fork of the article Balochistan Insurgency and Balochistan and copy and pasted the majority of the content from those two articles to this new one.

In addition to this he has been adding a blog post from the dailyO as a reference along with an Indian Defence website these sources do not exist in Balochistan articles because they will be removed for unreliability. He created this fringe article to push a certain point of view and get away with adding unreliable sources as hardly anyone visits that page he has also canvassed many users to edit on his behalf I consider you fair among the Subcontinent users do you mind checking it out I started a discussion on the talk page but he and his friends refuse to discuss it. Please suggest something and help. Sorry not sure why the message ended up in this section.PremijAnans (talk) 07:05, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

WT:PAK

Does there exist any Wikiproject Pakistan, in reality - I am hardly seeing any vibrant community? The noticeboard page is quite quiet c.f. WT:INB and their average articles are far poor. Wondering if there is something that does not meet my eye. TrangaBellam (talk) 22:06, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, there is. WP:WikiProject Pakistan. You can try joining it! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:21, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Aha, I know that. More curious about the disparity. TrangaBellam (talk) 08:17, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

No more than the disparity in the number of books published in the two countries. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:54, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Reversal of changes

Hi, you mentioned diverse opinions and need to remain neutral. I'd appreciate if you add counter to the information I added in the article (each had a credible citation), if there is a *difference* of opinion that I might have missed? In my view, the information I updated (with citations) were factual events. I didn't write off any opinions nor were any adjectives stated.. so I'm not sure if the neutrality that you left feedback about.

Thanks TruthBeforePolity (talk) 18:20, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

It is not a question of view points. But a MOS:LEAD is supposed to summarise the article at a high-level, not to repeat what the article says or to introduce new material. I am afraid you need more experience before you can address LEAD sections. I suggest you focus on other topics and gain experience. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:59, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

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[Gyan] Pandey, however, also raises another significant point when he argues that victims of an event after being repeatedly asked to share their experience eventually produce a single ritualized account themselves...

The slogans the Pandits refer to have never been reported or recorded officially at the time and suggest a gap between what was recorded and what the Pandits describe. Rather, news reports of 19 and 20 January 1990 instead focus on ‘mob violence’, casualties due to police action, and large numbers of arrests...

Yet conversations regarding the Pandit exodus were complicated by their [Muslims of Valley] insistence that the Pandits were not targeted by the Muslims. They denied hearing the slogans, even those threatening women, from the demonstrations which the Pandits draw attention to...

While the Pandits present a specific account of the events leading to their exodus, their perspective faces denial, and scrutiny from groups such as political parties of all persuasions, Kashmiri Muslims and human rights activists. The problems faced by the Pandits in framing and presenting their narratives of violence and displacement connect with studies of history, memory, and violence at large. Sources of knowledge about the past here can take multiple forms from individual accounts, hegemonic accounts developed by political organizations, documentation in the form of newspaper reports and popular communal histories that have been in existence before displacement. Rather than developing a single ‘mythico-history’, there are different forms of historical narratives that are brought together in an uncertain mix...

The truth of violence is often a source of doubt rather than certainty. The narrative of a community that has suffered forced migration draws on many layers. It includes a history that is independent of the event of displacement, conceptions of the past determined by the event of displacement and narratives of violence, flight, and the early period of relocation. Furthermore, with the passage of time in cases of protracted displacement, history is influenced by contemporary politics, emerging events, and by new generations coming of age, rendering it as an open-ended project.
— Accounting for Displacement: The Exodus of the Kashmiri Pandits, On Uncertain Ground: Displaced Kashmiri Pandits in Jammu and Kashmir, Ankur Datta, Oxford University Press, 2016

The particular slogans of 19 Feb are partially dubious — I will stay well clear of even mentioning them in lead. At-least two scholars note that not a single newspaper (incl. those which were effectively run by the Indian Govt.) carried anything on them. The editors were not bowing to imported Kalashnikovs either — chilling murders of Govt. Officials and alleged Pandit informers continued to be chronicled in gruesome detail and multiple editorials were drafted about how Kashmir offered no future for its autochthons. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:31, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Arabic Numerals Talk Page

Hi, I think our discussion of Arabic Numerals with that M.Bitton guy are not going anywhere. It's clear that he has his own agenda. Don't we have something like juries on this wiki talk page? AzizurRahman7 (talk) 04:35, 28 September 2021 (UTC).

I am not worried about him. But it is clear that it is not possible to go back to an old version of the page, because it was not that great either. We just need to find enough sources and start adding new content to correct the POV. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 07:15, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

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Barahoti

For anybody with interest, a couple of Twitter threads on Barahoti: Kyang thang's and mine. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:28, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Strange list

How is this even a feasible article? Attracting all sorts of POV pushers. cc:@RegentsPark and Vanamonde93: TrangaBellam (talk) 14:21, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

It is clearly impossible, yet possible under Wikipedia's crowd sourcing. A free-for-all, in other words. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:43, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

At the least, someone should remove all the mythical monarchs. I have a hard time dealing with lists so I usually just ignore them. --RegentsPark (comment) 14:55, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

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I wonder if this shall be covered at some appropriate article. TrangaBellam (talk) 08:01, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

It can go into the Longju page if it isn't there already. It isn't really a "dispute" though. It is merely a contradiction of the Chinese claim that the McMahon Line is the LAC. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:20, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

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I'm a little bemused to see you revert my edit on China-India relations and then, essentially, redo it manually with slightly different wording. But I'm glad you agreed changes were needed to the lead. The reason I hadn't gone to the talk page yet was because I didn't think my edit was particularly bold, but it's a moot point now. Happy editing. Ganesha811 (talk) 14:00, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Ganesha811, glad to have been of help. Note that it makes a bit of difference how you bundle the edits. The contentious edit must stand on its own, so that it is clear what has been done and can be questioned/reverted if necessary. (I didn't know that I was doing the same thing as you, until I finised my edit and compared. So you can be even more bemused :-) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:13, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you Fowler&fowler. And wishing you a great Christmas season for you as well!!! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:14, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2021 for the Jihad article

I made a semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2021 for the Jihad article but you have not replied to what I asked last. You had removed the link to the Kafir article with this edit, but I feel it can be linked to the Takfir article. I don't know if Wikipedia failed to ping you or if I was unable to do the same correctly or if you have been busy. Please reply there. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.75.88.170 (talk) 14:20, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

I have no idea. I am by no means conversant with obscure Arabic theology. You need to make a clear proposal on thet talk page, present your sources and reasoning, and achieve WP:CONSENSUS before making any edit request. I am only dealing with an edit request when I see a consensus. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:03, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't know how to achieve consenus. Please do what you can. I am washing my hands of this. Thanks and wish you a happy holiday season. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.75.88.170 (talk) 16:15, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

I think "unbelievers" perfectly fine. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:05, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

I did not ask you to remove the word unbelievers, I am only asking you to link the word to the takfir article like this: unbelievers. Please see your edit here. This is my request on the talk page - please read my request on the talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.75.88.170 (talk) 18:07, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

I know. But in order to link "unbelievers" in that way, you either need to provide a reliable that equates the terms, or a consensus among all involved editors that that is its meaning. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:18, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

RegentsPark typed this, "Done The Oxford source does use Kafir and Jihad together so I'll make the change" and did change it but you reverted it because someone else said it talks of one Muslim declaring another an, "unbeliever" - the word for that is takfir which Wikipedia has an article about which is why I am asking you to link the word, "unbeliever" to the takfir article.-116.75.88.170 (talk) 18:26, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

And my edit summary said "no consensus for the edit". And, there wasn't. That issue is now over.

Regarding the takfir link, you haven' presented any evidence or generated a consensus.

Look, there is no editing on the cheap for Wikipedia. If you want to make contentious and weighty edits, you need to register an account, become a regular member of the community, learn all its policies and debate them. You can't expect that you can just ask for something to be done and it will be done. Happy holidays! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:19, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)I, for one, oppose replacing the word. If you bother to make a proposal on the talk page, I will leave a detailed note on why the replacement is unwise. TrangaBellam (talk) 20:04, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

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This is presented as fact. But, is it? (FYI). --RegentsPark (comment) 14:33, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Both the sources were ANI, which is not that dependable. I made it sound like a report. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:38, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

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British and German troops meeting in no man's land during the unofficial truce (British troops from the Northumberland Hussars, 7th Division, Bridoux–Rouge Banc Sector)

The Indian and Chinese soldiers exchanged sweets on 1 January at about a dozen locations along the border, including at Raki Nala's bottleneck where they have been sitting eye ball to eye ball for more than a year. [6] -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:02, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Kautilya3,
Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and a Happy New Year to you and yours! LearnIndology (talk) 17:39, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you LearnIndology. Happy New Year to you as well! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:46, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

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 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Gilgit-Baltistan § Proposed merge of Trakhan dynasty into Gilgit-Baltistan and History of Gilgit-Baltistan. TrangaBellam (talk) 13:34, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Can you provide the page-number that gave you the figure of 5.2504245119990384 % ? JSTOR is not allowing me to zoom in at any page and I don't have the hard-copies with me either. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:44, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

The number of Kashmiri Pandits in the whole state is given as 76868 (p. 362).

The population of the Baramulla district is 612428 and Anantnag district is 851606. (p.304). -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:51, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Oh, the documents are on archive.org: Parts I & II. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:54, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! TrangaBellam (talk) 20:13, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

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Why pro Hindutva stand?

Wikipedia is an important source of information for not just indian or pakistanis for for whole world. The terminology should be neutral not bias towards Kashmir which is a globally recognised dispute. Ubermenich (talk) 14:33, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Ubermenich, I don't know what you are talking about but Wikipedia does not take any "stand" on anything. It is subject to WP:V and WP:NPOV only. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:03, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

K3, this account is obviously a troll. The user-name is a variant of Übermensch. RegentsPark, fyi. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:15, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

My bad , thankyou for clearing my doubts brother . Ubermenich (talk) 16:13, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year 2022 K3

Hi Kautilya3, Can you please review Draft:Kannuru. Thank you. Anudeepnrao (talk) 07:49, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Kautilya3

Happy New Year
Thanks for your Balanced Contributions on Wikipedia

Jhy.rjwk (talk) 03:53, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Jhy.rjwk. Wish you a Happy New Year too! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:03, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Kautilya3, I am travelling this week, so I would not be able to discuss on Kashmiri Exodus talk page.

I noted that Exodus page is discussing the 1950 land-reforms, but missing an important point that the lands of Hindu landlord community were acquired without compensation, leaving them disenchanted and forcing some of them to leave Kashmir in the early 1950's. Maybe you can take note this issue. Here are some relevant quotes:

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A quote from Chitralekha Zutshi · 2017, Kashmir: History, Politics, Representation - Page 100 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Kashmir/g09bDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Kashmir+land+reforms+1950&pg=PA100&printsec=frontcover In the early 1950s... As these reforms affected landowners, the majority of whom belonged to the Hindu community, they considered the compulsory acquisition of land without compensation a deliberate ploy to alter their socio-economic status and ensure the domination of the Muslim majority. A quote from Pramoda Kumāra Agravāla · 2010, Land Reforms in States and Union Territories in India - Page 182 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Land_Reforms_in_States_and_Union_Territo/eP_rQWpQZuoC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Kashmir+land+reforms+1950&pg=PA182&printsec=frontcover Big Landed Estates Abolition Act, 1950… no compensation was paid to the landlords. Under this law, the tiller was made owner of the land. A quote from Christopher Snedden · 2021 Page 127, Independent Kashmir: An incomplete aspiration https://www.google.com/books/edition/Independent_Kashmir/ZfEuEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Kashmir+land+reforms+1950&pg=PT127&printsec=frontcover This lack of compensation seriously disenchanted dispossessed landowners, both Dogras and Pandits.

Jhy.rjwk (talk) 22:17, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Jhy. I am aware of the lack of compensation issue. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 00:16, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi K3, Thanks. Don't you think the lack of compensation in 1950 land reforms, deserves a brief mention on Exodus page, as it was a cause of disgrunt and migration of K. Hindus in the early 1950's. Jhy.rjwk (talk) 17:13, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

It can be mentioned, but not necessarily in the lead. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:46, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Kashmir American Day

Hi! I was editing the page for Kashmir Solidarity Day, and saw that it mentioned a resolution getting passed calling for NY Governor to declare Feb 5 as Kashmir American Day. Any idea if anything happened about that resolution? Im only getting sources about the request to the governor, not any implementation. Thanks! Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 18:55, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Probably nothing happened [7]. It wouldn't be proper for a state governent to indulge in foreign policy anyway. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:58, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

We help in elections now

https://twitter.com/SirKazamJeevi/status/1491710042277515265 -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:04, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

With the amount of political topics here, not surprising :D . Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 17:27, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

What is the selling point of this comparison? TrangaBellam (talk) 18:24, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

To show Yogi Adityanath what a fool he is being. (He claimed that if the UP doesn't vote for him, it will become like a "Kerala".) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:31, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

My query was about Adityanath's motive in making the comparison: what imagery does "becoming Kerala" invoke in an average voter? I have never found Kerala in news except for all the right reasons (eg: successfully combating Covid). TrangaBellam (talk) 18:48, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Ah, you are expecting me to figure out what goes on in Yogi's mind? I don't have any such capabilities I am afraid. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:51, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

But my point is that our infoboxes have been reproduced, with their "verification needed" tags included! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:32, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

I checked the infobox of Uttar Pradesh but the very field is missing! TrangaBellam (talk) 18:51, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Kerala is ruled by Communist Party of India (Marxist)-led Left Democratic Front, whereas Uttar Pradesh is ruled by BJP. Kerala is also home to 18.38% of Christian and 26.56% Muslim population, whereas numbers are much lower in UP. From the gist of their discourse, I think this is probably what he meant when Adityanath stated "it will become like a Kerala". We should mostly look for religio-communal parameters. WikiLinuz🍁(talk) 20:40, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I think "religio-communal" is it, not economics. Prior to Kerala, the Yogi also invoked Kashmir and Bengal.

There might also be a beef issue, though I don't know the beef policies of all these states in any detail. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:56, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

There might also be a beef issue - turns out, you're right. Seem like Kerala and West Bengal (two states invoked by Adityanath) are pretty liberal when it comes to beef ban. Cleverly, he didn't invoke Arunachal Pradesh or Assam, which also doesn't have a beef ban (BBC source), as BJP is already the ruling party in those two states. WikiLinuz🍁(talk) 02:12, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you. I came across this:

A major source of anger among farmers in Banda is a problem that has emerged only in the last four-and-a-half years: stray cattle running riot on farms, destroying crops.

Weeks after coming to power, the Adityanath government had put in place a new legal framework around cow slaughter, making the trade of cattle virtually impossible. Farmers, who usually sold ageing milch cows to butchers, were now forced to abandon them. Although the state government had claimed it would open cow shelters, very few are operational.

As a result, abandoned cattle have become ubiquitous all across Uttar Pradesh. They are everywhere – in the plush residential colonies of bustling cities, in the chaotic markets of sleepy towns, on broad eight-lane highways and expressways, in narrow serpentine connecting roads, and, of course, all over the state’s sprawling hinterlands. For farmers, they have become a constant terror, their fields always at the risk of being raided.
— Saikia, Arunabh (19 November 2021). "Five years after BJP's UP sweep: In Banda, promised water never came – instead cattle invaded fields". Scroll.in.

TrangaBellam (talk) 06:09, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

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What was the reflist-talk revert for?

This revert pushes my reflist down below and makes my comment about bolding look odd. Why do you feel it's necessary for it to be down below while yours sit next to your comments? Hemantha (talk) 11:02, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

It is normal to have reflists at the bottom of sections so that they don't break up the discussions. Moreover, in this case, I had already referenced the reflist in the discussion as being "below". I don't understand what looks "odd". -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:24, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

It was my comment and my reflist. In a section with multiple reflists, you shouldn't have broken up my comment in the first place. You can correct your reference if you want, it's unreplied anyway. Hemantha (talk) 11:50, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

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Let's accept it. Wikipedia have more Indian editora than Nepalis,Bengalis and Pakistanis. So it is obvious wiki is more edited by them hence pro India as those editors quote Indian media, aka godi media known for Goebbelsian qualities. Xxxthedeath (talk) 05:44, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

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