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keldof

it seems you have deleted a page that i created:

online references to KELDOF and proof of notability: (1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_roots (2) http://keldof.com/PEOPLErjs5rr.pdf (3) http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS150091+18-Feb-2008+PRN20080218 (4) http://www.comedyshortcuts.net/pdf/FINALcsc07release.pdf (5) http://blog.light-of-reason.com/archive/the-roots-jam-on-with-rock-the-vote/ (6) http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20071011nbc04 (7) http://www.youtube.com/user/diversecity (8) http://bbs.clubplanet.com/new-york-new-jersey/244851-vanity-fair-concert-featuring-camp-freddy-lou-reed-roots-oct-21st.html (9) http://comedyshortcuts.net/2006_partners.htm (10) http://keldof.com

(Vpowers (talk) 08:08, 3 November 2008 (UTC))

please dont undo my work

I am trying to make it better melbounre cup race winner is Viewed.

Dont make me very angry dont reply to me

EXCUSE ME IM NOT vandalize

YOU ARE vandalize MY WORK.

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Explanation of Articles Progress

Hi, I am a contributor to the page "WSR SRC Conference 2008", currently my team and myself are working on improving our page- and being new members to Wiki- learning how to do everything- e.g. uploading files and pictures etc. We are also currently gathering sources and information to provide evidence that the conference did take place, and that the information is accurate.

I would encourage you to visit the following pages, if you would like to find out more about student leadership and our SRC Conference. We have hundreds of photos and resources from our conference- which simply have not been added yet. We seek to improve our page within the next fortnight.

http://www.schools.nsw.edu.au/studentsupport/studleadsrc/index.php (Official NSW Department of Education, Student Leadership Website)

http://www.wsrsrc.cjb.net (currently in update process)

http://www.bebo.com/WSRSRC08

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=54059135328

Your patience and understanding would be greatly appreciated- as we continue to improve and contribute to the article.

Thanks again, Peter Gray Western Sydney Regional Working Party Member

Use of cotula for bowling greens

Hi Mattinbgn. Far from unlikely, cotula is indeed used to manufacture bowling greens in New Zealand. Here are a few links in confirmation. In fact all natural greens in NZ are cotula, and no Kiwi bowler plays on grass. The recent 2008 World Championships in Christchurch were of course played on a superior cotula surface. Thanks for your interest. Xtie (talk) 19:31, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

UBank

Thanks for that. Seems we've been done over a bit heh?! Moondyne 04:47, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Armed Offenders Squad (Victoria)

The article appears to be troublesome indeed, but it's well referenced and keeps to the facts as far as I can tell (I've only skimmed over the 41 page OPI document listed as a source - I'll print the report out and read it later on tonight). I've watchlisted the article to see where it heads from here. The editor's choice of name is worry however... not sure what to do here so again I'll watch where their edits go and decide accordingly. -- Longhair\^talk 05:58, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree, the article appears to stick to the facts but the series of non-notable police mentioned (and redlinked) makes me a little nervous. Not to mention the article is more about the investigation than the squad itself. I considered blocking the editor based on the name, but thought I might wait for an explanation first. If edits continue without a reasonable explanation (and I can't imagine what that would be) or without a name change, then a block until a new name is found may be the way to go. Either way, it looks like a potential SPA. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 07:17, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

By troublesome, I also agree that the officers names and focus on the investigation are of concern. I might have some books about home that deal with this squad, but they're only going to be based on the investigation also I suspect. Bad news travels fast they say. Nobody ever hears the good :) I'll try my hand at a clean up later on in the evening if time permits. -- Longhair\^talk 07:37, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Some nice evening listening for youse guys http://www.abc.net.au/rn/lawreport/stories/2008/2408185.htm for something from a about to be gutted radio national :( SatuSuro 07:45, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Kambalda

Something odd about the content removed - the actual reversion on the part of the ip was correct - if you see where bridgetown is and where kambalda is in wa - its a genuine no probs revert - but... will try to check diffs/history to see why and how it got in SatuSuro 02:57, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Im gonna revert your revert as it (the content doesnt make sense and i also cannot work out from a quick scan of the hist work out where and when it went in) - cheers SatuSuro 03:04, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Not a worry, its just when an IP editor removes a slab of otherwise inoffensive content without an edit summary I get a little suspicious. If you are comfortable with the edit, then so am I. Cheers, Mattinbgn\^talk 03:06, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

I simply cannot locate the diff where it went in - have posted chaos on this one - there are some oddities that deserve removing until proven innocent errors or whatever SatuSuro 03:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Why did you delete the page I created?

Hey I just created the page called The 404 and you deleted. That page meets the wikipedia criteria. If you delete my page then you should delete Buzz Out Loud a Podcast Page. Also The 404 is a Cnet podcast, and the Cnet page is allowed on wikipedia so my page should be allowed aswell I will be reposting my page, so approve it.

Joel Selwood FA nomination

Hey there,

Given your previous inputs and edits to this article, you're invited to wander down and express your opinion toward this article's current FA nomination here. Cheers! Boomtish (talk) 06:27, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Pollock

"World champion"? --Dweller (talk) 12:07, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Cool. That title will be POV at best though! Night night. --Dweller (talk) 12:26, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

NIIT

NIIT is listed on the Indian stock exchange and is a relevant entry on the wikipedia. The article might have needed a write up though and not a clear delete! --STTW (talk) 13:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

It's not a case for a speedy delete. Please have a relook, it's a highly notable organization, and the main sponsor of Vishwanathan Anand for over a decade. Bad text requires cleanup tags, or simply removal of offending content, not outright deletion. Thanks! =Nichalp «Talk»= 13:25, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

It was deleted under G11 and I have no opinion on its notability. It has been two years since it was kept at AfD and it still reads like a blatant advertisement (that would require a complete rewrite, see G11) regardless of its notability. I have no problem if someone was to re-create a valid NPOV stub or you were to find another admin to restore it and you then completely rewrite the article. The article as it stood was unacceptable. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 19:15, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

It's a highly notable organization in India. Verify News, Publications, Indian government sites. So, no issues on notability.

I'm sorry I still disagree with your assessment: G11 states:

Blatant advertising. Pages which exclusively promote some entity and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic.

See the last draft before tagging.

Per G11 criteria: ...exclusively promote some entity... and Note that simply having a company or product as its subject does not qualify an article for this criterion -- This note automatically disqualifies listing in this category.

Per G11: would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic – A "fundamental" rewrite to become encyclopedic is not required. Rephrasing yes, fundamental rewording a definite no. It has a lead, infobox, history.

"Two years" : We are not in danger of crashing a deadline. I have come across no such requirements that an article must be cleaned up before XYZ date, else it qualifies for deletion.

I *can* restore the article, but those who !vote keep in an AFD are not obliged to improve the article.

I still request you to review your speedy deletion based on G11. =Nichalp «Talk»= 19:54, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure how just have having a company or product as its subject actually disqualifies listing as G11; all that phrase you have quoted means is that it should not automatically be put into that category just because the subject is a company. On your reading of that phrase there would be no G11 as all advertising is for a product of some form.

If you can restore it, feel free to. I won't contest. However, I still stand by my reading of a fundamental rewrite. A fundamental rewrite does not mean wikifying—that is easy and the article was wikified—it means rewriting the prose line by line (and in this article's case, completely) to ensure NPOV. In my view and I stand by it, the article met the criteria under G11 - "... would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic".

As for timelines, I have read the deadline essay. Not sure if the intent behind the essay was to allow two years of free advertising rather than allow some poor prose to be corrected and better sources to be found. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 20:13, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I have restored the article. I have also removed the section written in second-person tone. Usually when I come across such articles -- notable, but POV/lack of focus, I simply blank the offending text. =Nichalp «Talk»= 20:29, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Hedley Howarth

Imagine my (pleasant) surprise when an article I had planned to come back and fix and expand, had been so well expanded in the meantime. I don't know if you have any interest in cricket, but if you don't you have done a great job of the expansion with the jargon etc spot on. Thanks for your work. Cheers, Mattinbgn\^talk 01:13, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to beat you to the punch. I've never played cricket myself, but I have watched some less formal matches here in the US. I had tried to understand the rules and to be as accurate as possible in expansing the article. Thanks again for the note. Alansohn (talk) 01:17, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Coolamon

Image:CoolamonHotel2.JPG is a nice photo! Much better then the original as it now shows more of the building and more detail. Bidgee (talk) 07:27, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I am getting better at taking pictures of these pubs with the big verandas. Image:GanmainRoyalHotel.JPG didn't come out too bad but I didn't quite get Image:GanmainHotel.JPG as well as I might have hoped. Image:MatongFarmersHomeHotel.JPG may have been better if the rebuilding work had finished! -- Mattinbgn\^talk 07:40, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Can't really win when something is behind you and can't move back to fit the building in (I've had that happen a few times). Matong Farmers Home Hotel was solde not long ago as the original owner didn't have the funds to restore the building and listed it on eBay (I've lost the news recording with the hard drive failure a few months ago) but I can't recall who brought the hotel. Also another Hotel (In Adelong I think) which was damage is still getting work done to it after a truck crashed into it (Driver was killed in the crash). Bidgee (talk) 07:47, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

• Yes that was a sad classic at Adelong- truck came down the hill from Tumut and hit the first pub dead on. Absolute fluke that no-one was inside at the time ... but I think it has now been rebuilt Bidgee? (Unless we're talking about a second accident). Nice photographs Matt - first one of Coolamon, replaced by you was mine and I cut the left corner out because there were vehicles parked there at the time - which I try and crop as much as I can where possible. Cheers--VS ^talk 10:45, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

• A fair chunk of the photos from Ganmain and Coolamon (and Boree Creek) I uploaded to find you had been there earlier, often naming the photo with the exact same name, and taking the photo from the exact same angle! Great minds etc.... -- Mattinbgn\^talk 11:10, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

• Nope same accident. Was a photo in the paper the other week of the pub but then again could be an old image (Did show the building strengthened). With the cars I just blur the number plates. Bidgee (talk) 11:16, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

High schools

You might want to note the comment made to your comment here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Redbank Plains State High School. I've responded to that editor here. Michellecrisp (talk) 23:01, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment to Jerry. on a related point, I'd be interested in hearing your views of naming principals of schools on suburb/city articles. I've noticed some editors are wanting this. I've made a comment here. Thanks. Michellecrisp (talk) 01:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

My NAC on Redbank Plains State High School

My NAC on the AfD for Redbank Plains State High School was reverted by an admin who, like you, obviously did not read my full NAC statement. I closed the NAC for two reasons -- the second reason, which both of you ignored, involved the issue of a lack of third party sources. Another editor filled in the references for the article, which confirmed the subject's notability and evaporated the main reason for the AfD. The reversion of my AfD was, by itself, reverted by another admin in a Speedy Keep about an hour after my NAC was disruptively set aside. The closing admin for the Speedy Keep clearly did not agree with the reversion or the logic behind that action. I consider that decision to be a vindication of my NAC judgment, and I consider your earlier statement on my Talk Page about my alleged "poor non-admin closing rationale" to be insulting. Ecoleetage (talk) 04:13, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

When someone offers "criticism," I expect them to know what they are talking about. You obviously misread the NAC rationale and passed judgment based on your POV on the notability of high schools. As I stated earlier, my judgment has been confirmed. Thank you and be well. Ecoleetage (talk) 11:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I have no problems with people who disagree with me, and my contributor history clearly shows I have no difficulty in acknowledging the error of my ways when one of my mistakes is identified. Thank you for sharing your opinion and enjoy the day. And to show that all is well...here, have a cookie:

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Regarding your desire to delete theLex Wotton page

Regarding Lex Wotton: There are some questions for you to aswer at the Talk:Lex_Wotton , Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lex Wotton pages. We'll welcome your views and explanation. (Starman005 (talk) 09:42, 11 November 2008 (UTC))

John Monash

G'day Mr. Mattinbgn. You seem to have deleted my line in the Sir John Monash article; the one that mentioned his connection with the Zionist Federation? I'm sure that the explanation will surprise me, I'm a relative of the man.

If you have time and/or interest

Hi Matt, as the result of a gentle rollback I performed on the article Galah, Victoria a friendly discussion has ensued here. Whilst it may not ultimately be the best location for such a communication to fully develop, for now, if you have the time and/or interest, can you provide your thoughts also? With thanks. --VS ^talk 09:33, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Peter Masters article - conflict of interest

Hiya,

Thanks for your message. I appreciate both the comment and seeing this community-driven process in action.

Of course there is potential a conflict of interest in this case as I am fairly clearly the person about who I am writing. I'm not sure of your level of involvement here, but I'd be grateful for any tips you could provide. I've read the the COI page(s) and am trying to maintain a NPOV, but any tips or critiques would be welcome.

(pmasters) 10:23, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello again,

Thanks for pointing out the "Creating an article about yourself" item. I had sort of latched on to the COI and NPOV articles and hadn't seen it before. I just read it and the last paragraph talks about making "a proposal containing the text you want", but---forgive my ignorance here---try as I might I couldn't find a way of bouncing my idea to write the article in the first place off of anyone to get an editorial opinion. How does this work? Is it too late?

Thanks again for your time,

--Pmasters (talk) 10:48, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you very much for your support in my RfA, which passed yesterday. I'm now buried in a mountain of reading so I don't do any of the famously foolish things expected of newbie admins. Thanks also for taking the time to post those extra diffs, which appear to have encouraged a number of others to support. Its an oddly daunting process but I was flattered by the level of support and have a good half dozen Australian admins such as yourself to use as role models. So thanks again. And I agree re the first use of the tools, so I played it safe and deleted a page in my userspace as my first action. Immediately after which the power failed at my workplace, making me wonder what I'd done wrong ... Euryalus (talk) 10:27, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

G'day Wikimedian :-)

Whilst it's quite likely you'll have heard this news on the grapevine, in your email inbox, or even in person - I thought that it was sufficiently exciting to warrant giving each of you a 'new messages' orange bar! This particular orange bar has been brought to you to let you know that Wikimedia Australia is now open for members!

I'm not on the committee or anything, and that's where the credit is due in getting everything to this point, but I think it would be absolutely fantastic for folks who wish to support the australian wiki community, to go ahead and sign up - we're quite likely to be the world's fatest growing chapter at the moment! Join Us :-)

Here's a little more about membership, and the mailing list in particular is well worth signing up to as well, and is a good forum to get answers to any questions answered, or to share any ideas. I've dropped these notes in under my own steam, and you've received one because you're on this list - feel free to ask me any questions, or anything - I can certainly point you in the right direction :-) cheers all, Privatemusings (talk) 04:04, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Dr Bernard Whimpress, Mallett, Gideon Haigh in Adelaide for the Test

They held a miniconference at Uni Wednesday and Thursday and I didn't know about it! Until I read it just before the last talk session started! Apparently only the people in the humanities were advised or it: Pride, Prejudice, Power & Race in Cricket. It was rather strange what they said becausethey didn't hold back; Mallett condemned doosra bowlers as throwers, and another talked about some explosive things but said he wasn't game enough to put it in print yet for fear of physical reprisal (not being more explicit here just in case his enemies read this). I was surprised they would say it in a forum open to the public, because I believe it was audio recorded and although I think I was the only real outsider there. Neville Turner appeared to notice that I only turned up for the last part and asked me about what I did so I told him about Wikipedia writing and my blog and a column about Ganguly that Mint (newspaper) saod that they were going to print. Then Bernard stepped in to talk to Neville and he told him that I wrote about Harbhajan-Bhajji was one of the topics discussed at the conference, and I told Bernard that I used his "Chuckers" book to write about Meckiff and Jack Marsh on Wikipedia :) . Neville and Bernard didn't appear to have heard much about Wikipedia but Gideon heard my last comment about using Bernard's book and he -perhaps sardonically- said "Ah, You've made it" to Bernard in reference to his appearance on Wikipedia. Anyway, unfortunately, the host had arranged for his guests to go to dinner and I didn't get to talk to them for more than 3 minutes, but they gave me their business cards. Bernard asked me if I was interested in joining his history group meetings at the Adelaide Oval museum where he is the curator. Wonder if this leads to anything interesting...maybe I really can become a cricket pundit :P. YellowMonkey (click here to choose Australia's next top model) 03:21, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

the main reason I was wondering about Mallett as a RS was because I spotted a few stats errors in his book, without looking or corss-checking other sources. Yesterday he was bagging the spin coaching and system in Oz and said that Hauritz played his only Test in 2001. Anyway, he said Australian players are overcoached and if SL had the same facilities they would never lose. He shared lots of anecdotes about Bennett King and criticised the Centre of Excellence and Buchanan quite a bit. YellowMonkey (click here to choose Australia's next top model) 03:21, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

I've already added a few of my pieces. It might be rather pompous...YellowMonkey (click here to choose Australia's next top model!) 07:38, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Yenda NSW

Hi, I updated the population data for yenda nsw to show the 2006 census data for that area. You have changed it back to 2001 data, and I was wondering why? If I made a mistake in formatting etc, please tell me, but I would have thought that the most current census data would be the most appropriate to the current population of the area. Thanks, The Brown Hornet1TheBrownHornet1 (talk) 04:51, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

The page I am referring to is Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yenda,_New_South_Wales

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I have just looked again, and see that the data was changed from suburb to urban centre/locality. I was wondering what house 400 extra people had moved into! Thanks for picking that up! TheBrownHornet1 (talk) 05:15, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Hamish Hartlett

I noticed that you proposed this article for deletion, and the creator removed the tag... what happens then? I thought it got listed for AFD? Johnson8776 (talk) 10:22, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Prods

Please ensure that you follow the rules of Proding, if you must waste our time with them. If it has been proded before, it can't be proded again. The-Pope (talk) 11:09, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Cough

• Digger slang (AfD discussion)

You should revisit this. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 15:21, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Penny Sackett

Noticed your query about her mug a while ago. In town this week for Australian Institute of Physics Congress. Camera is overseas though :( YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 00:49, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Missed this one earlier. Thanks anyway YM. I hope the camera is retrievable? I was at Siding Springs Observatory a few weeks ago, but seeing she has a new job there was not much chance of getting a photo there. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 06:45, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Notability of Australian Baseball Clubs

G'day there,

Just wondering why you nominated a variety of pages I created for the clubs in the Greater Brisbane League, for as you may know although Australia does not have professional baseball league at the moment and these clubs are the highest tier of baseball in Australia. Surely no different to sub-articles from articles like the Brisbane Premier League.

Help would be appreciated. Cheers JRA WestyQld2 (talk) 05:22, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Wurundjeri and other Indigenous groups, people and events in Victoria

thanks for the recognition on my work on Indigenous Australians in Victoria, particularly the Wurundjeri - there is still a lot of work to do. There are a number of massacres in Victoria that need their own articles, as well as more tribal groups, and individuals. Expect to see more articles. :) Thanks again for the award.--Takver (talk) 11:06, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Upfield Bike Path

Hi Matt. The article Upfield Bike Path was moved to Upfield Rail Trail in October 2008. The path's correct name is Upfield Bike Path and is the recognised name by residents, Moreland Council and Bicycle Victoria for this bike path. Can you move this article back to it's original title please? Upfield Bike Path is presently a redirect for Upfield Rail Trail, so won't allow me to move it back as an ordinary user. I need to call on your admin superpowers. :) --Takver (talk) 06:35, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Done. I noticed that it seems the references need a little work. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 06:42, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

We have a problem then. Bicycle Victoria calls it "Upfield Rail Trail" and BV then calls it Bike Path? Make be keep it as Upfield Bike Path but also add also called "Upfield Rail Trail"? Sorry for replying to this but I just cam back from a 6 hour bike ride. ;). Bidgee (talk) 06:46, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

No need to apologise, you are always welcome here. I don't have an opinion either way, perhaps the issue should be raised at Talk:Upfield Bike Path. Who actually owns and controls the path and what name do they use? I hope you enjoyed your ride and you kept the hoppers out of your mouth! -- Mattinbgn\^talk 07:00, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

• Cheers Matt and Bidgee. Just to join the bike party - I also just came back from a bike ride to the top of and around Mt Moorong/Pomingalarna Reserve - couldn't see the gravel for the hoppers in parts.--VS ^talk 07:12, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Could be a good idea, so I'll do that but it's just a shame User:Matilda is retired as I would normally ask her on the best course of action. Not to many hoppers until on got onto the fire trails on Willans Hill Reserve. Was up on Mt Moorong (on my Mountain Bike of course) a few weeks ago which is how I got the photos! Bidgee (talk) 07:16, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Matt. Moreland Council, who is the local government responsible for the path, calls it Upfield Bike Path here, while Moreland BUG also refers to the Upfield Bike Path here. Vicroads knows it as Upfield Bike Path here as does the Department of Infrastructure here. If you do a google search for Upfield Rail Trail at domains of gov.au it comes up blank, while many references are found for Upfield Bike Path. I think the above reference to it on the Bicycle Victoria site as the Upfield Rail Trail is an aberration. It is a rail trail (note lower case), in that it follows the railway line, but it's name is not Upfield Rail Trail and it is not known locally as such (speaking as a local and regular user of this path). I have to dissent from Bidgee on this. BV got the name wrong on that first link. I'll post this info on the talk page as well. :) --Takver (talk) 09:41, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

WP:AUS drive for 200 GAs

Whaddya think? YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 03:20, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

wondering if you were ever planning on doing Chuck Fleetwood-Smith? It seems a great pity that Phanto left it unfinished. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 08:03, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't really need a lot. If I had a copy of Growden's book I would nominate it now. I should be able to access one from the library. I am looking at a few AustCricBios; some of them a little more recent for a change—Mark Taylor (cricketer), Graham Yallop and maybe Greg Matthews. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 08:49, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Doug Ring

No problem: I really don't feel proprietorial at all about anything I write, so happy to see it progress. (Oh, all right, occasional exceptions when people are just being nit-picking.) Anyway, I'm fairly much around at the moment if there are any queries on sources etc. I thought it lacked a bit on his private non-cricket life, about which I know little (and suspect that most of the info would probably be lodged in Australia, which isn't where I am). I noticed YAM also fingered Sam Loxton as ripe for development: I did quite a bit to this about a year ago and can check sources etc for that one too if you wanted to develop. I think Loxton is further from GA status than Ring, if only because my impression is that his post-playing life is more important to a rounded picture of him. Let me know if I can help. Cheers, and thanks for the courtesy. Johnlp (talk) 13:20, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Roland Perry on Miller

Have you read this book? I know Perry is a bit of a joke, can't see how he won all these prizes with so many errors, but the Miller book seems to have even more errors than usual. I've had to overrule a lot of the numbers with CI/CA. I should've noticed when he said Miller scored 2088 not 1088 in 1948, but I didn't

I haven't read Miller's Luck but to be a little fair to Perry, his editors should be picking up some of these likely simple typographical errors. The problem with Perry is that once you realise he is a little rubbery on some facts, it calls into question everything else he has written, most of which is probably OK. My major problem with Perry is that he is often not clear about where he is reporting documented fact and where he is speculating or embellishing for the sake of interest. In an essay I have a copy of at home, Haigh got stuck into Perry on this (and other matters) quite vociferously.

I have a copy of both Captain Australia and On Top Down Under (both could probably do with articles actually). Where Robinson is a lively, opinionated and entertaining writer, he is clear about what is fact and what is his own opinion (or personal recollection). Haigh is not quite so opinionated (at least in OTDU) but again it is clear what is fact and what is opinion. In Captain Australia, Perry tends to slide between both, or least makes large claims based on small amounts of data. The chapter on Herbie Collins is full of such supposition. Given that his prose—while prolific—is often rather plodding, it is a wonder how he sells so well. He does tend to choose his subjects well from a marketability point of view though. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 05:56, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I think we need to get a copy of Haigh and quote him in Perry's bio! YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 00:55, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

also in "Bold Warnie" he keeps on going on about Mayam Nongia and Dilip Patel. Lol. probably stacks more. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 00:55, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

From Haigh, Gideon (2004). "No Ball". Game for anything: Writings on Cricket. Melbourne: Black Inc. ISBN 1 86395 309 4., all about Captain Australia – "... Perry maintains a disquieting tendency to, quite casually, mangle information for no particular reason". and "... there are assertions whose origins,are, at least, somewhat elusive" and "Perry depicts [the captains] in the flat, bulking the thin personal matter with ponderous clichés, execrable puns and recitations of scores and averages. There is no original research to speak of, no new insight to relate; there is not even a bibliography" and many many more! -- Mattinbgn\^talk 02:39, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Right. another thing in Bold Warnie, he says that if the bowling umpire calls wide and the square leg calls a stumping, eg when Tendulkar was stumped from a deliberate M Waugh wide, then the square leg umpire prevails! As though the wide is no longer added to the score! YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 04:59, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Re "main"

Was actually a nice way of saying "only". :P Orderinchaos 09:06, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Riverina

Seen it on the front page when Wikipedia's server has an issue so I went to the secure Wikipedia address which took me to the home page of Wikipedia. Bidgee (talk) 06:59, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

• Have replied also at my talk page Matt. Very pleasing to see this.--VS ^talk 10:23, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Australian plague locust

On 14 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Australian plague locust, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 16:06, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

• - And I note a singular effort - not sure how you got this one past the normally vigilant Aussie editors. Great job.--VS ^talk 21:41, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Australia TFA

Congratulations on your TFA day for Riverina! Nice to see an interesting article highlighted about Australia. Cirt (talk) 21:36, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah well, done, Raul picks some of them by himself. I once asked him to resched a random one to a weekday so I could look after it. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 04:57, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Army photos of Miller

Is there a loophole by any chance? Please see the talk on my page. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 05:23, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Question

Can you pick up WIN Griffith or WIN Wagga? If you can then don't watch the repeat of the news (Riverina bulletin) ;). Bidgee (talk) 10:35, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

No, we get our television from Shepparton or Albury here. There is no way of getting a clip online? I'm curious to see what you wanted me to miss. :-) -- Mattinbgn\^talk 19:30, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Archie Jackson

Hello Mattinbgn,

On fr:, Archie Jackson is the first cricket-related Good Article (Bon article). On fr:, an article become a Good Article through a process similar to the one to become a Featured Article (Article de qualité), that is to say a sort of popular vote... you can see the vote here. As you are the main contributor on Archie Jackson, that I translated to get this first GA, I'd like to thank you for all the work you've done ! OrangeKnight (talk) 18:44, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations! I must admit I enjoy seeing something I (largely) wrote translated and read by people who otherwise would not be able to enjoy it and very pleased to see that an article on what is very much a non-francophone sport was recognised. I like the percentage you used for francophones not interested in cricket (99.94%)! Cheers, Mattinbgn\^talk 19:50, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I try to use 99.94 as much as I can in sport-related talk page on fr:. Maybe, once, french-speaking people will be able to remember the average... On fr:, GA can appear on the main page as much as the FA, because we have not enough FA. So fr:Archie Jackson will be on fr:'s main page in a few month (and will thus become the most famous cricketer in French-speaking countries!). Seems it will occur on May, 9th. It's good that it happens in 2009! OrangeKnight (talk) 20:43, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thanks very much for your kind words, much appreciated. --Hughesdarren (talk) 11:43, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Clem

Hi, thanks for the message - I don't mind you changing the season edit back. I was just working in a similar vein to that which was sort-of-vaguely agreed upon at WT:CRIC regarding the infoboxes in which the season format 1910/11 looked vague, especially when coupled with the field label 'years'. Also it can have a tendency to wrap really awkwardly, (1899/1900–1905/06) would for example. Using the season links in the prose is fine because it usually gets explained or linked properly. I have therefore reverted to using plain dates (of first and last matches) in the infoboxes. If it is clear that seasons are linked, not dates, I obviously don't have a problem with it at all.

Just think, is 'Australia Test cricket captains (should that link just be 'Australia Test cricket captain' singular?) 1910/11–1911/12, particularly clear for the non-cricketing audience? Or cricket followers who don't know the difference between summer and winter seasons?

Up to you what you do with the edit, just my 2p worth!

—MDCollins 02:21, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cricket#List_of_short_articles_is_here.21

Well done! we've outscored the Poms [mean], even with a Sehwagesque article size distribution (150+ or bust!). YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 05:30, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Lol, I should have included daughter articles in Miller's article size, would have made it about 200! Morris, Lindwall and Johnston also have separate 1948 campaign articles. I guess with the details in 1948 Ashes series and the sections in their articles, it shouldn't take long. It only took me about 3 hours each to put together those articles by adding existing articles togather and expanding by about 50% using the 1948 FC reports. I guess you could rattle one up for Johnson real quick as well! YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 06:55, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I would've nuked it but I was on my non-admin account. It's doing better than my blog with an average of 10 reads per day. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 06:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

For whatever reason, the casual Australian doesn't edit cricket articles much. I see that a lot of English people/driveby anons add bits and bobs to lots of cricket bios, but on Aus articles its usually only the full-timers, which is why our median ain't so flash. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 06:58, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Mashrafe Mortaza

Sorry it's taken so long to get round to, but I've started addressing the points you've raised in the GA review. The jargon may be a persistent problem, but I'm confident I can fix any other problems you notice, and I'll have a damn good go at the jargon ;-) Thanks Nev1 (talk) 21:47, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Cease and desist vandalism notice

immediately cease and desist vandalising the mowbray college wiki page, thank you

-CakeMace

ceast and desist vandalism, second notice

Although you are well intentioned, the information i have posted is technically speaking more verifiable then most of the other information that makes up the Mowbray college wiki page.

there is no possible way to delete information provided by me and not delete most information provided on the page, as my information has more evidence to back it up.

-CakeMace

Green light to wipe all non verafiable information from the mowbray college wiki page

As you have removed information i have contributed (Which is accurate information) for having no verifiable sources to back it up, you have effectively given me the green light to wipe all non verifiable information from the page, and thus i will do so immediately.

Thanks for the barnstar

I will be adding more photos as I find a spot for them - I didn't like the Tibooburra pictures, and was going to get more, especially of the Family Hotel. But the light wasn't right and we were on a tight schedule. Will have to go back! Peterdownunder (talk) 05:16, 22 December 2008 (UTC)