User talk:Royroydeb/Archive 9

Understanding your sources

Hello. As you're still keen on adding stats tables to player pages, I think you'd be wise to adopt inline sourcing for each row, as recommended at WP:FOOTY/Players, rather than just a couple of links at the top. It makes it easier not only for the reader to check the stats if they want to, but also for you to make sure that the competitions included in each row really are covered by the scope of your chosen source(s).

For instance, we can't assume that if Soccerway has no entry for a cup competition for a player, that means he never played in it. Their coverage in most competitions is for very recent years only, e.g. for the Cyprus Cup, they have appearances from 2011/12 onwards, and even then only for the later rounds. So it's wrong to assume that no data means no appearances. If you look at a source that specialises in German football, you'll find that in the 2008/09 season, Kaká (footballer, born 1981) played twice in the German Cup. Soccerway doesn't have player appearances for that competition in that season.

I'd advise making sure you clearly understand what's covered and what isn't covered by any particular source before you use it. Thanks for listening. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:20, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Ben Thompson (English footballer)

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January 2015

The negative material about Kiran Bedi that you have been adding to several articles here and here violate our policy on living prople, as well as giving undue weight to trivia in a way that unbalances the articles. Please have a read of the policies I've linked to, and be particularly careful with material about living people. Wikipedia is not a tabloid, and not a vehicle for pushing a political point of view. Bishonen | talk 20:19, 21 January 2015 (UTC).

I'm afraid it's worse than you think as this user is already banned from creating new BLPs because of similar issues. Ten days after being tbanned the promised that they understood now and asked for the ban to be lifted. I am growing increasingly worried that they are either unwilling or unable to understand how seriously the BLP policy is taken, given that real people's lives are involved. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:51, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't agree with Bishonen and Beeblebrox. The content you posted seem to be truthful and contains proper reference. I don't see any reason why it need to be removed. Let me do some research and see what can be done to preserve the content you posted. Thanks Jinesh . Found original link to the TimesNow video page

@Bishonen, Beeblebrox, and Jineshkj: The information added is not a trivia. It is a fact that Mrs Bedi left the interview. The information is not being projected from a political point of view, but as a fact only. Mrs Bedi's actions contradicts her view, and she was unable to give a reason. Moreover as Jineshkj says, it can be found here (Times Now is not a small but a very famous, popular news channel in India). RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 07:40, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

• Yes, it's a fact, but it's still trivia, and it's still not appropriate to add. We don't add every single little thing a person does. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 07:54, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

@Lukeno94: In a country like India, where the constitutions gives us freedom on all matters, like freedom of speech, freedom of media, there a chief ministerial candidate refusing to answer a media question before the elections about her ideology is a notable matter. RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 08:24, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

• No, no it doesn't. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 08:35, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

• Jineshkj, it's not a question of truth or of sourcing, but of undue weight given to a trivial and negative matter in a biography. You too could benefit from reading the policies I've linked to. Royroydeb: if you do it again you'll be blocked from editing. Bishonen | talk 11:24, 22 January 2015 (UTC).

• Bishonen: thanks for pointing me to undue weight. Somehow you are saying that you represent the majority view. I do not know if you are someone from India but I still do not think a single person should decide on what's considered a majority view. I understand that there's a negativity in the news posted by Royroydeb, but as per Wikipedia rules, negative news about an individual is allowed on BLPs with proper reference. If you are not someone from India, you should know that the news that Royroydeb posted is really a controversy and controversies are something that wiki articles always carry around. Royroydeb: there are two ways that we can possibly move forward: (i). create a section under Delhi_Legislative_Assembly_election,_2015 for mentioning all TV interviews and/or election controversies and mention this news item as one among them, (ii). create a separate page to cover this aspect of news and link it from other pages. Unfortunately someone seem to have covertly blocked all edits to Kiran Bedi's page until the election is over - doesn't that sound political?. Btw, I personally prefer the first option that I mentioned since that looks more natural to wikipedia. Anyway, that's a lot of work and I unfortunately don't have time until this weekend to do it. Bishonen and Beeblebrox: if you have any objections to my above solution, please let me know. Looks like you guys have some special ability to block people and protect articles and I think it will be easier to work along with you guys. Jinesh
  • You're right, we can protect articles and block users; we're administrators. I'm a little disappointed it's because of our special powers rather than our arguments that you're prepared to work with us, Jinesh. Wikipedia should preferably function on discussion and argument, rather than brute force, and I would hope the advice of experienced editors would be respected as such. Anyway. The undue weight policy has nothing to do with any "majority view", still less with my personal view. (I don't have a view on this subject.) Before Royrodeb's addition, the section "Political career" was 72 words long: a concise summary. After the addition, it was 25% longer: a small dog being wagged by a big tail. Completely unbalanced. As for Delhi Legislative Assembly election, 2015, that's already a separate article, as you know (you link to it), and Royroydeb has already made the exact same addition to that article, to the "Bharatlya Janata Party", where it was also completely unbalanced. Please take a look at both articles as wholes: they deal with complex series of events, and they summarize them. They would be ten times longer if they went into detail the way you suggest. They're encyclopedia articles, not news outlets. Please take a look at WP:NOTNEWS. You see how that policy mentions our sister project Wikinews? You may be interested in taking your material there. Bishonen | talk 11:19, 24 January 2015 (UTC).

GA

Hello. Sorry but I don't speak so well English to make a review. Xaris333 (talk) 19:18, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

TILL

Stop writing this, the correct (and the NORMAL) way to write is UNTIL. Thanks, MYS77 ^✉ 18:25, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Look at your edits and you will understand. The correct way to write is UNTIL, not TILL. Ex.: "He signed a contract extension UNTIL 2020." Not TILL, as you're writing. Thanks, MYS77 ^✉ 12:15, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

@MYS77: To clarify: "till" means exactly the same as "until". See e.g. Chambers, Merriam-Webster, Wiktionary. It isn't incorrect. However, it is a more informal usage, see e.g. OED, so probably "until" would be preferable for use in an encyclopedia. Hope this helps, cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:52, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

@Struway2: But in an encyclopedic way, "till" is pretty ugly, right? Until fits 100% better. Cheers, MYS77 ^✉ 13:04, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

No, "till" isn't ugly. It's as I said above, a less formal usage, so "until" would be preferable in an encyclopedia. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:12, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

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Understanding sources, part however many

Hello, again. Please could you point out where in this page it says that Darko Nikač didn't play any matches in the 2009/10 Montenegro Cup. Also, where in this page it says anything whatsoever about cup matches of any sort? The fact that the previous version of the stats table had a column headed League of Ireland Cup with content in it should have given you pause for thought...

Also, when you go back to fix that page, the broken ref name that the bot notified you about is still there. Thank you. Struway2 (talk) 10:29, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Seeing as you chose neither to reply nor to go back and fix your mistakes, I've blanked the unsourced cells, as far as I understand them, and fixed the broken reference error. I wish you would slow down, admit to and take responsibility for your mistakes – we all make them, it's nothing to be ashamed of – and take time to understand what you're doing and the limitations of the sources you're working with. Your work would be so much better if you did. Struway2 (talk) 11:26, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Josh Walker

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DYK nomination of Alan Carvalho

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Hi. I have reviewed your DYK nom for Alan Carvalho. I tagged a few claims in the early bio section that need refs, and the footballzz site is a volunteer wiki, so should no be used as a source, just as wikipedia shouldn't. Also, the hook would need to say "The Austrian" instead of "Austria" to fit American English. Let me know on my talk page if you have any questions. μηδείς (talk) 21:02, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

@Medeis:, Hi, I have just one thing to ask. The player is simply known as Alan so accoring to common name policy the article should be renamed Alan (born 1989). But there are hundreds of Alan which might create confusion as how can they know his birthdate. Your suggestions on this matter are welcomed. RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 09:56, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

@User:Medeis Hi, did you see it? RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 16:09, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately the sambafoot website http://www.sambafoot.com/en/players/3924_alan.html is a wiki where anyone can create and edit profiles, so it doesn't coun't as a reliable source. A profile in a newspaper article that had that info would be acceptable, although they might have to be in Portuguese or Austrian. μηδείς (talk) 16:21, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

I looked for sources from Google News, and it was hard to find much. There's a German source says he's 25 last August. http://www.fussballtransfers.com/bundesliga/_trotz-schieber-doppelpack-hertha-hat-zwei-hochkarater-auf-dem-zettel_47372 I have noted that I do not oppose the nomination at the DYK page. μηδείς (talk) 20:58, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

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One of several of Godot13's quality submissions during round 1

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Titles in sources

Hello from Portugal,

can you please write the accurate titles in the names of sources in the statistics charts (example: "GURPEGUI: CARLOS GURPEGUI NAUSIA" and "GURPEGUI", not "BDFUTBOL PROFILE" and "SOCCERWAY PROFILE")? It would save me a lot of trouble, and last year or so we talked about it and I thought you had agreed.

If you choose not to, don't worry I won't bother you again. Happy editing, from Portugal --84.90.219.128 (talk) 00:16, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

• Because it is a needless repetition, when you write "BDFUTBOL profile", followed by "BDFUTBOL" in publisher. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 12:50, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Salman of Saudi Arabia

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DYK for Alan Carvalho

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DYK nomination of Washington Monument

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Odafe Onyeka Okolie

WP:COMMONNAME Surely it includes all three names. Cheers. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 08:23, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Washington Monument

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Igor Angulo

Hello there,

1 - we can have both refs for his debut, yours was indeed good, spoke specifically of the debut, but the other (match report) is also 100% good. Ah, but the name of the site is not Masdeporte, it's Diario AS! 2 - Check the Athletic Bilbao profile (and please don't use it as a ref, it's a link), you will see him playing for Danok Bat and joining Athletic in 1996 and then playing for CD Basconia, so it's not "unreferenced"; 3 - international career: you have the worrying tendency of repeating infoboxes in storyline, no need to repeat all the youth caps he had in storyline, that's what the box is for - I added a real ref for his under-21 debut. 4 - the chart (I reinstated your version after MYS removed it, so I was trying to reach a compromise even though I prefer his version) is there to be updated by everyone, me, you, MYS, everyone, no need for the shouting because the article is not yours or mine, it's a teamwork.

Attentively --84.90.219.128 (talk) 23:41, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

You're kidding me, right? I lose two hours of my goddamn strict time to fix your messy and extremely overdetailed storyline (with AL also helping), and you simply go on and revert us? And your argument is "who will update the table"? Brilliant, simply brilliant.

About the "unreferenced" stuff: did you see the external links? Of course not. And I did removed the international career section because you simply didn't provide any decent reference to it, BDFutbol is used as a link in 99,999999% of the time, and when not is mainly used to fill the seasons in the chart.

I sincerely don't know what's your problem with me specifically, but I suggest you to put these things behind as you're giving your free time to help (as I do too, even when I don't have much free time), and try to work with others (thing I don't see you doing that much, sincerely).

Thank you, MYS77 ^✉ 02:34, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

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