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December 1

Godless (TV Series)

Hello,

Anyway you can add Jeff Daniels up to the third cast member listed on the Godless TV Series page?

In the below trailer Deadline posted, he is billed third after Jack O'Connell and Michelle Dockery.

SOURCE: http://deadline.com/2017/11/michelle-dockery-godless-new-trailer-steven-soderbergh-jeff-daniels-jack-oconnell-netflix-video-1202207894/

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by GL6255 (talk • contribs) 01:45, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Florence Henderson Correction

Her year of death is 2017 not 2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.40.123.198 (talk) 03:03, 1 December 2017‎ (UTC)

2016, per Chicago Tribune: "Florence Henderson, beloved mom on 'The Brady Bunch,' dies at 82". chicagotribune.com. November 25, 2016. —2606:A000:4C0C:E200:64E6:D15B:14E5:3BCB (talk) 03:41, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

How to publish my page

I have completed my document in Sandbox. How do I now make it public.

Appreciate quick revert. Many thanks. Joseph — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseph.india (talk • contribs) 05:45, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

• Note Page was started in an IP sandbox and has subsequently been deleted as promotional. Eagleash (talk) 12:37, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Are ancient historians primary or secondary source?

I have been wondering whether ancient historians, like Thucydides or Plutarch could be considered as reliable secondary sources and hence rely on them to edit an article. As I understand, these are not self edited (but I am not really certain, we don't know how the publishing industry worked then!), they seem more or less independent (even though there was a little pro-Athenian bias of Thucydides) and these historians were not witnessing the events they describe at there work. But considering them as secondary sources, seems awkward. Is there a formal policy or guidance of wikipedia relevant to this question? Τζερόνυμο (talk) 06:53, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

While I can´t find chapter and verse on this, on WP they pretty much regarded as primary sources. In context, you can perhaps say "Plutarch states..." or whatever, but any interpretation should be from secondary sources. Here is a discussion on the historian Josephus: Talk:The_Exodus/Archive_16#Josephus Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:14, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

I would never ever cite an ancient historian on Wikipedia. Any worthwhile things they might have said have been repeated with critical commentary by modern historians, so cite them instead. In a strict sense, I don't think ancient historians are even WP:RS: they didn't adhere to the academic standards that modern historians do. Who peer-reviewed Plutarch? Did Thucydides' use Turnitin? They are certainly not known for "fact-checking and accuracy" in the modern sense. They obviously don't represent the most up to date research either. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:19, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

According to the eccentric wording of our policy they should be treated as secondary, unless they were involved in the events they recount, but it is best to ignore that & treat them as primary, as others have said. Johnbod (talk) 02:23, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

How to create a page

I want to create one page about information so can you please help me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Umakant Pattanayak (talk • contribs) 08:05, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi, please take a look at Wikipedia:Your first article. This should explain all you need to know. Thanks. Kosack (talk) 08:10, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Image of Thomas L. Jenninngs

the image of Thomas L. Jenninngs in the list of American inventors is incorrect. Do all black people look the same? This is inacceptable that you think you can place a picture of a National Hero of Jamaica, Paul Bogle, while refferencing a number of prominent black people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.41.196.89 (talk) 10:03, 1 December 2017‎ (UTC)

There is no image in the article on Thomas L. Jennings. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:06, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:09, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) This could be another example where Google cobble together search results and image results here with the implication that it comes from Wikipedia. However, there seems some controversy over the image, as seen in this article. Eagleash (talk) 10:19, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

This issue comes up so often because of Google's poor page layout/design. I think the WMF should talk to Google about properly citing where they get every piece of information from rather than basically implying that all of it comes from us. We suffer damage to our reputation every time Google screws up. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:01, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Archiving bot

I added 5 archived refs here, but a bot reformatted it like this. Is this the way it should be formatted ? I only received a short URL when archived in Archive.is. Let There Be Sunshine (talk) 11:36, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

It's described in User:GreenC/WaybackMedic 2.1 as item 21 'convert short to long format' with a link to a usage page that says long is preferred. You could ask User Talk:GreenC for an explanation. RJFJR (talk) 14:58, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

You can retrieved the original url from archive.is, and to me, why replace wayback machine to archive.is? archive.is stole/re-archived some of the content of wayback machine (aka archive.org). Matthew_hk tc 02:43, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Donation pop ups appear after donating!

Hello - i donated and yet the donation pop ups keep coming up. How do i get those pop ups to stop? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:a080:26d0:d194:193e:5949:4948 (talk) 13:14, 1 December 2017‎ (UTC)

One thing you can do, though it may not be what you want, is to create a user account and then you can set a preference to not display fundraising messages. There are additional advantages to using an account (like not displaying your IP address). If you do this, the option is under gadgets in the preferences. RJFJR (talk) 15:03, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

The Wikipedia software has no way of knowing that a random IP address is being used by someone who donated. The above is your only edit using that address, but I guess that you have contributed to other pages using other addresses. See WP:Why create an account? . Dbfirs 17:24, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

I posted a related query here: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Why_the_donations_banner_doesn't_automatically_disappear--S Philbrick(Talk) 21:27, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Historic Route 40 Etna Township Licking County Ohio 43018

Hello everybody I am celebrating my first year of editing on this fantastic website I use voice recognition because I am hearing and Visually Impaired. I was wondering if anybody out there would know how to correct all of the errors on historic Route 40 in Etna Township Licking County Ohio 43018. I literally have been trying to correct this for the past 17 years because of the sync data used to navigate vehicles from One browser container and point to another. [🇺🇸 COACH Z | #USNavy ⚓] 21:24, 30 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by COACH ZARLINO (talk • contribs) Note: I have moved this query here as it was originally posted in mainspace Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:22, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Could you tell us what the exact article title is? Thank you. RJFJR (talk) 15:11, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

At a guess I would say it's a request to add missing historical information in U.S. Route 40. Paging Rschen7754. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:38, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

But then they mention sync data and navigating vehicles. I cannot understand what they are trying to do. --Rschen7754 19:32, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but it sounds to me like they're using screen reading software and voice recognition to navigate Wikipedia. However, I'm not sure if they're trying to copy navigation data from elsewhere *into* Wikipedia, or from Wikipedia *into* a navigation system, and finding an error. Or claiming navigation systems in general are wrong about something on Route 40. 128.163.7.152 (talk) 20:49, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

This may help clarify the reason for the request for help.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:44, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Naming conventions for people from Burma

In four different articles about Burmese artists (Ba Nyan, Ngwe Gaing, Lun Gywe, and Aung Myint), the full name of the artist is used at every mention. Other articles use the full name minus an honorific (Sao Shwe Thaik). Several use the name only once, and then 'he' or 'she' throughout the rest of the article, which is distinctly unhelpful. Is there a convention for articles about Burmese people? Leschnei (talk) 18:29, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

@Leschnei: In a word, yes: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Burmese). – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:41, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

That's the page I was looking for! Thanks. Leschnei (talk) 18:43, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Pizzagate

Why, when I want to read about Pizzagate, is the heading "Pizzagate Conspiracy Theory"? This is a clear example of bias, or the lack of non-bias, and is the main reason I will not donate to the site anymore.

Well, the first line of the page is "Pizzagate is a debunked conspiracy theory", with multiple references. Wikipedia reports in a neutral way about what has been written about a subject in independent reliable sources. If you have concerns about the content of a page, please feel free to raise them on the article talk page... but be certain that you have sources available to justify any changes you wish to see made. Please sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 19:10, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Citations/footnotes in St Paul's Cathedral article

Is there an experienced editor who can fix the citations in St Paul's Cathedral? Something is wrong with their format in much of the article and I'm not sure what's wrong or how to fix it. Thanks. Foreignshore (talk) 19:30, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

@Foreignshore: I think the problem is that maintenance templates ('page needed' etc.) have been inserted within 'efn' or 'sfn' templates. I'm pretty sure this doesn't work properly. The only way I know to fix it is by moving the maintenance templates outside of the footnotes, as you would if using ref tags. But, I wonder if someone knows of a neater way of doing it? Eagleash (talk) 20:00, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

I dunno about a neater method, but the templates {{page needed}} and {{unreliable source?}} are usually used in the body rather than in the reflist anyway. The issue has been there since February 2016, so I just moved them out. Dairy {talk} 04:39, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

File Upload Wizard

Resolved

— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:59, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

I was told that I should ask here for the solution to a problem I am encountering. The file upload wizard does not seem to work for me. I click on it but it just changes the bottom where it says when it was last modified and who modified it for a second then goes back to the original screen. This is a problem because I find many missing album/single covers on the Wikipedia. I know you can’t upload those to Wikimedia because I have gotten many copyright strikes for it. I would greatly appreciate help. DatBoy101 (talk) 23:18, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia donations

Mr. Jimmy Wales/ Wikipedia Foundation,

It is good to see that you have updated a message on Wikipedia homepage. It is a non- profit encyclopedia and almost everyone who knows about internet, knows about Wikipedia. Your message title describes-- Readers of US..... Sir, its my suggestion, you can seek help from readers from all across the globe, I am pretty sure more and more readers will come forward. I am a student and a frequent Wikipedia reader, I will try my level best to contribute, similarly others will also do. Just post a message for all readers.

Thank you.

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@Debpranabd: Try posting that suggestion on his talk page: User talk:Jimbo Wales CTF83! 21:40, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Using nicknames

Please let me see if I understand correctly: According to WP:NICKUSE, to properly use a nickname, instead of using the nickname in quotes in a name - for example: William H. "Shakespeare" Hill (a character on the "This Is Us" TV series), I should use, in this example: William H. Hill (aka "Shakespeare") - is that correct? (Because I'm used to the convention of quoting a nickname in a name.) Thanks for the help; I appreciate it. -- Bwefler (talk) 21:43, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

The policy is at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) -- which is quite complex; in short: "it depends". There doesn't seem to be anything specific regarding fictional characters; "most common usage" seems to be the default for instances not otherwise specified. —2606:A000:4C0C:E200:4AD:CCD2:F199:DAE4 (talk) 22:23, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

incorrect page information & how to correct

I have a small issue with a page that I modified titled "Caroline Danjuma" it has incorrect information according to the person to which the article is about. However I edited it but it was reverted by a [Darreg]. I reached out to him so he understands that his article (created without the permission of Caroline) is incorrect but he insists that it should not be edited. Please advice --— Preceding unsigned comment added by Geebee2703 (talk • contribs)

Geebee2703, you have a couple things wrong here.

First, the information that you removed was cited to a few sources. Wikipedia uses information that is published in secondary sources. We don't simply take someone's word for the information. By removing those sources and changing the information, you're asking the world to take your word for it.

Second, rarely do we care what the subject of an article thinks of the article about them. Articles about controversial subjects should remain neutral in their description but that doesn't mean that they can only have what info the subject wants to have in the article.

Third, Darreg has already explained this to you in their response to you on their talk page. If, after reading through all the information that they pointed you to, you still feel that you have a legitimate dispute, the dispute resolution process can be found at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. †dismas†|<sup>(talk)</sup> 23:49, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Further to the advice from Dismas above and from Darreg, if you work for the subject, as you stated at File:Caroline Hutchings.jpg, you are required by Wikipedia's terms and conditions to make a declaration of paid editing in the manner laid out at WP:PAID. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:37, 2 December 2017 (UTC)