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May 25

Permission to recreate page Anjunadeep

I have read the reasons for the deletion of article "Anjunadeep (failure to mention noteworthiness, relevance, A7, etc.) and I was wondering since the article is locked from creation how I could go around and request permission to create the article carefully (using references to mention relevance and notability) without making the same mistakes that were previously made. By the way, the page was deleted in 2015, five years ago. Chris.alex.gomez (talk) 16:08, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

If you submit a draft through the AFC process, a reviewer will decide whether it is acceptable and will handle to processes of moving to mainspace if appropriate. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:51, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

David Biddulph, I don't think this is a good idea. Very often, pretty feeble drafts are approved in AfC, and later go to AfD. The article was deleted by Sandstein, who remains an active editor. Chris.alex.gomez, perhaps write on User talk:Sandstein that you propose to create a new draft, and that when you think it's ready, you'll ask for their OK. See what Sandstein says. -- Hoary (talk) 01:52, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Edited article

I’m unable to upload edited article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ngcongolob (talk • contribs) 01:26, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ngcongolob: I see you successfully added a reference to the Information access article. Could you please provide more information on what you're unable to do? Thanks! (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 01:32, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Marketing and Market, mark it Round and Round, CfD, Help, CfD, etc

I was redirected to CfD but I've been there. I've been here, and WP:REFUND too.

Somebody entrusted with superpowers did a blatantly wrong rename. As of this moment, Category:Market research companies by country has sixteen subcategory entries, all named Marketing research companies of (name of country: Australia, Brazil, Canada, etc.). Can the help desk bring into the picture someone who is authorized and willing to fix this? A simple RENAME (back to) Marketing Pi314m (talk) 05:13, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Pi314m: You can make a request at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy (WP:CFDS). The C2C criterion would probably apply in this case. As I see it, however, all of the subcats should really be renamed to "Market research companies of ..." in accordance with C2D, as the corresponding Wikipedia article is located at Market research, not Marketing research. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 06:18, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Looking for help cleaning up a table

List_of_common_Chinese_surnames#Surname_list The table seen here has become incredibly bloated, and I'm not even sure where to start reformatting it so it can be more readable. As far as what I had in mind, I believe that the majority of the information in table should either be excised or moved to Wiktionary.--Prisencolin (talk) 09:02, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Clearly a lot of work went into the creation of this table: this by itself is not sufficient reason for it to be kept as is, but I think it's sufficient reason to argue for any partial deletion on the talk page and wait for responses before executing partial deletion. (You could draw people's attention to your proposal by posting a message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China.) Please don't refer to partial deletion as "reformatting". -- Hoary (talk) 09:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Where is a list of templates?

I have spent 5-10 minutes searching WP for a complete list of templates (like for a dead link) and cannot find one. Such a list would be helpful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David spector (talk • contribs) 13:20, May 25, 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Template index would be a good place to start Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:27, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@David spector: If you go to Template:Dead link and scroll to the bottom, you'll see many more inline cleanup tags. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 14:57, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Apparently, while there exists a general index of templates, there is no list of all templates. Such a list special page can be constructed automatically using WP mechanisms (there are many similar lists that are constructed automatically). May I request that some expert editor please create such a list special page? I'd like to be able to search such a list to find a template to fit a situation quickly, instead of trying to figure out what the headings in the index page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_index) mean. Or should I move this request/suggestion elsewhere? Thanks, David Spector (talk) 17:13, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Are you looking for Special:AllPages/Template:? (Although there are so many templates it's difficult to look through literally all of them)? * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:16, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

No, this page fails. It does not even contain the common "dead link" template. David Spector (talk) 17:50, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@David spector: You can also use Special:Search to search through the templates, if you can guess at a word or two that might be in the template name or the template text. For example, this search lists the 124 templates whose name includes the word "copyright". -- John of Reading (talk) 17:23, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

No, this search fails to find the "dead link" template. It returns too many search results. Again, what is needed is a special page listing all templates. David Spector (talk) 17:52, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@David spector: There are around 540,000 pages in the template namespace. That includes subtemplates and documentation but a complete list of templates on a single page would not be practical. A huge page could still only show titles so finding the right template would often be difficult. Special:AllPages/Template: shows 345 at a time in alphabetical order so you may have to click "Next page" more than 1000 times to find a template. {{Dead link}} is eventually there like all other templates but we have too many for that feature to be useful unless you know the start of the name. If you look for a template for a specific purpose then use the normal search box by writing template: in front of the search. Or use the "Search in" box on search pages to select "Template" under "Add namespaces", and remove "Article" if it's selected. Most plausible searches I tried gave {{Dead link}} in the top-3 results, or jumped directly there via the exact name or a redirect. If you are interested in cleanup templates like {{Dead link}} then Wikipedia:Template index/Cleanup shows around 450. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:23, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

The only reason I can think of for the existence of 540,000 pages of templates is that 'templates' includes items other than article decorations like . Okay, in that case, given that it is impossible to create a single page of double-curly-bracket items, how about a hand-curated list of the top (most frequently needed) 50 or so decoration templates of interest to WP editors? An advanced editor could probably create such a list from their memory! There may already exist a perfect location in the WP: namespace for such a page. This would be a very valuable addition to the resources available for WP editors. David Spector (talk) 20:42, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

There are indeed many other types of templates. Templates are just a convenient way to store something in one place so it can be used in multiple places, often with parameters to specify details of the use. They are like functions in other programming languages. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:02, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

David spector, templates are used for lots of purposes on Wikipedia. From your question, I gather you're looking for what are usually referred to as in-line clean-up tags. Have you seen the Template:Inline cleanup tags navigation box, which is also listed at the bottom of the Wikipedia:Template index page? It should contain what you're looking for. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:58, 25 May 2020 (UTC) PS This is the same box as referred to by GoingBatty above. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:59, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Paul 012, Thank you! This is exactly the answer I was hoping for to my original question. The only thing that seems missing from this list are the abbreviations, such as 'dl' for 'dead link'. This list should be sent to all new editors and included in editing tutorials (I never noticed it before); it is so useful! David Spector (talk) 21:25, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Editing Assistance to remove "Promotional Language"

Hello,

I would like to ask for assistance with a banner placed on a Wikipedia profile saying the content "reads like a press release or a news article or is largely based on routine coverage or sensationalism." I adjusted this profile over a year ago to abide by all Wikipedia guidelines, including siting all information with reference points and since the information has not largely changed since that time I cannot understand why we are being asking for another edit. The Wikipedia User named 虹易, who is making these requests seems to be hostile and has called for removal of both the English and Chinese profiles for the individual. I would appreciate the assistance of another Wikipedia Administrator to help us amend the profile as needed and remove the banner the user has placed. All information on the profile is verifiable and true and based upon readily available sourced information.

I appreciate any assistance you can provide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gowiki1 (talk • contribs) 13:29, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Gowiki1 I would first correct your language in that Wikipedia does not have "profiles". Wikipedia has articles. When you say "us", who is "us"? 331dot (talk) 13:35, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the language correction. I am unable to detect any information in the article that is promotional, all information is true and valid and can be verified by various information sources. Johnny Hon is a notable figure in business, governmental and philanthropic organizations in both Hong Kong and China as well as the United Kingdom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gowiki1 (talk • contribs) 14:58, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Who is "us"? Accounts cannot be shared. 331dot (talk) 15:00, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Gowiki1: Hello! After you created this post at the Help desk, a lot of helpful information was posted on your talk page. After you read that information (and clicking the blue links for additional information), please let us know if you have any questions about Wikipedia's policies. If you have specific questions the Johnny Hon article, the place to discuss them is the article talk page: Talk:Johnny Hon. GoingBatty (talk) 15:04, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Gowiki1, phrases like Hon is experienced and Hon now has four daughters and one son (emphasis added on the latter) convey respectively promotional and casual tones, which are not suited to be on Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:16, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Not us, just me. I would like to try to contribute to the amendment of this article to ease any areas that make it sound promotional. I welcome the assistance of any wiki administrators that can help with this. As I read it, the article states the life, career and areas of work of Johnny Hon and makes reference to the reasons why he is a person of note. The article is supported with various online references to support all statements made within. Thank you for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gowiki1 (talk • contribs) 16:11, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Gowiki1:You have given several editors the impression that you have a paid-editor (WP:PAID) relationship of some sort with Johnny Hon, or that the very least that you are an interested party (WP:COI) in some way. If so, you must declare the relationship. If not, then under these circumstances you should declare that no such relationship exists. Please make such a declaration, one way or the other, on your user page or your user talk page before you do any more editing on that article. After we know what the relationship (or lack thereof) is, we can help you improve the article. -Arch dude (talk) 16:57, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

CREATING A LINK that goes to another spot under the SAME heading

I'm trying to figure out how to create an internal link within an article. I want to be able to click onto a symbol, which takes one to another spot, within the same heading. For instance, see Paul Martin (illustrator). I put an ✲ under the heading "Fisk Tire Boy" (after word "commissioned"), which leads to another ✲ near the end of that heading. I'd like to be able to click onto the first ✲, and for it to lead to the second (which gives further detail). An anchor type link is needed? This seems to be extremely uncommon in WP articles. I realize that going to a ref/notes is the common way, but wanted this exception. Thanks. Jim Percy (talk) 15:22, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

JimPercy, have you thought about using {{anchor}}? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:29, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

I've tried many different things incl. anchor. I'm probably not going to figure it out unless knowing the exact code to use, OR being referenced to another WP article, which does the same thing. (Hence, I could then use that one as a guideline.) Jim Percy (talk) 16:00, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

JimPercy, what I mean is, have you put {{anchor}} at the second ✲, given it a name like foo, and then linked the first ✲ like so: [[#foo|✲]]? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:04, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps I should clarify; {{anchor}} is a template. You can click on the word to see its documentation. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@JimPercy: The usual approach to adding a note is to create a reference group. Each reference in the group needs a "group" parameter. All refs without a "group" name are plain old refs. You add an additional "reflist" near the bottom of the article for each group. In your case you only need one named group, and it will initially have only one footnote in it. See WP:REFGROUP. -Arch dude (talk) 17:10, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

I sort of figured that. I couldn't really insert the two lines into the heading section w/o breaking up the continuity, and didn't want to give it a footnote status either. I did insert an anchor template, but I didn't do it right and or it can't be done. Jim Percy (talk) 17:52, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@JimPercy: Fixed. You didn't use an {{anchor}} template; see my diff here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:59, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that seemed to work. It didn't go right to the spot (like was my thinking), but rather goes to the appropriate line in the article. So, that's good. Thanks. Jim Percy (talk) 18:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

How do I make a suggestion for a page?

URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Opinion_polling_for_the_2020_New_Zealand_general_election&action=edit&section=3

Hi all,

This article has an error in the tables. It fails to include the number of voters who were "Don't know" or "Refused to answer". For the latest 1 News poll this was a massive 16%, so must be shown in the results table.

However, I'm a new Wikipedia user and don't want to mess it up. I also don't have the time to do it. How then, do I leave an action/suggestion in here?

Cheers Geoff — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geoffnz1 (talk • contribs) 21:28, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Geoffnz1: The place to make a suggestion for the Opinion polling for the 2020 New Zealand general election article is the article's talk page: Talk:Opinion polling for the 2020 New Zealand general election. Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:30, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

• Geoffnz1 did go on to post this comment to a talk page – their own talk page! I have already left comments on both talk pages about this. Brianjd (talk) 07:06, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

My Wikipedia page does not appear on google search when l search it's title(name of the page)

Hey,here is my Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NazzKing .It has been successfully accepted by Wikipedia but the problem is that unless l use the exact Url to acess it on google, l can't find it on google by it's Title "NazzKing".Please somebody help me to solve this so that whenever somebody types "Nazzking" it will appear on top without somebody having to use the exact url. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramsey555 (talk • contribs) 21:57, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ramsey555: New Wikipedia articles are not available to Google for indexing until they are reviewed or until 90 days have passed. The article NazzKing has been nominated for deletion, so a review will not be undertaken until after the deletion discussion. -Arch dude (talk) 22:24, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

• @Ramsey555: Also note that even if the article passes review, we have no control over search results in Google or any other search engine. Brianjd (talk) 06:51, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Regex matching in templates

Is there a relatively simple way on Enwiki to use regular expressions to check input parameters in templates? Or is this only possible using Lua (which seems to have its own thing that isn't really regex)? --Paul_012 (talk) 22:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Paul 012, I believe the WikEd editor gadget has an option for searching by regular expression. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:55, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu, thanks, but that's not what I'm asking. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:27, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Paul 012: What do you mean by "check input parameters"? Are you talking about what Module:Check for unknown parameters does? Or perhaps Module:String? Nardog (talk) 23:53, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Nardog, when a template is called, I need to check that the value in a parameter consists of a valid text string according to the template. I.e. that the "bar" in {{Foo|1=bar}} meets a specific pattern. This does seem to be something covered by Module:String, but I can't quite make sense of the documentation. Specifically, I need Template:RTGS to check that the input matches the following regular expression:

((([ktp]h?|[dbf])[rlw]?|ch|ng?|[fmyrlwsh])?([i|e|uea|ia|au]|[auo]e?)(ng|[kptnmio])?|\[[^\]]*\]|[^A-z0-9\}\|])

How would one construct this using the module? --Paul_012 (talk) 04:27, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Paul 012: You can't use Module:String for that purpose, because Lua patterns don't support (...|...), unless you nest calls for the module in ultra-complex conditional expressions. You would need to either write a module for the entire process or split up the string into chunks using Module:String and then pass each chunk to a sub template which would then evaluate it using #switch.

(Side note: \w covers what you seem to be trying to achieve by A-z0-9. If the engine you're relying on doesn't support it, you can still write \u\l\d. And even if the engine supports none of these, you should write A-Za-z instead of A-z because [ \ ] ^ _ ` intervene between Z and a—unless, of course, you meant to include them.) Nardog (talk) 04:51, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Nardog: Ah, thanks for the explanation. That's way above my level, so I'll probably have to abandon the idea for now. Re: your side note, yes I actually tried \w but MediaWiki's CirrusSearch doesn't seem to support it. Thanks for the tip. --Paul_012 (talk) 05:23, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Paul 012: Note that CirrusSearch has its own peculiar form of regex that mostly doesn't support meta-characters like \w. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:40, 27 May 2020 (UTC)