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December 8

CentralPlaza Lardprao

It's Ladprao, not Lardprao, but I can't move the page, because Central Ladprao (official page) and CentralPlaza Ladprao are already occupied. How do I go about this? Thanks -- HvW (talk) 00:29, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

HvW see WP:RM#T for uncontroversial technical requests. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 00:50, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

HvW, the article lead says it was previously known as CentralPlaza Lardprao, so the existing redirect at CentralPlaza Lardprao seems to be correct. TSventon (talk) 14:27, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

I agree, there is also the link http://www.centralplaza.co.th/lardprao. It was available in 2014 and shows that Lardprao was used in Thailand at least in the past. -- HvW (talk) 15:02, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Page Clarity

Friends,

After losing my beloved daughter to brain cancer in 2009, i've devoted all energies to establishing research pathways to help cure children's brain cancer.

The late Queen Elizabeth II has recognized my efforts, outlined with your Wikipedia page "Mr Ren Pedersen O.A.M.".

Bizarrely, someone has cast a random/unknown, negative assertion and a "Caution" is highlighted on said Wikipedia page.

Many supporters have contacted me in disbelief, dismayed at such an unwarranted action.

I swear that ALL information on the "Ren Pedersen O.A.M." Wikipedia page is factual.

The current negative Wikipedia 'warning' infers dishonesty and is gravely effecting our capacity to timelinr pioneering scientific achievements & encourage charity for kids with terminal brain cancer.

As a matter of utmost urgency, please restore the "Ren Pedersen O.A.M." Wikipedia page to it's original unbiased template.

Your understanding and dilligence is dearly appreciated.

Regards,

Mr Ren Pedersen O.A.M.

(Amy's dad) Brain Tumour Children's Advocate 49.177.235.68 (talk) 05:15, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

No. The person who added that template explained legitimate reasoning on the talk page. If you wish to dispute it, then that dispute must be worked out on the talk page. The template should stay until those concerns are resolved. I must say that a large list of facts cited to primary sources with zero secondary source coverage is not appropriate content for an encyclopedia article. Secondary sources are preferred.

In fact, because several parts of the article violate the WP:BLP policy, I have added a second tag requesting improved references. I have also commented on the talk page. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:49, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Ren Pedersen   Maproom (talk) 09:35, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Lupton family

I have added a photo/file of Francis Lupton in the Francis Lupton section of this article - it is too big. Please make it the same size as the other photos. I cannot do this. Thanks 175.38.42.62 (talk) 11:24, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

There are too many pics in that article, at least from the laptop perspective. There's not room for that many without overcrowding, the sections are too small. I suggest you weed some out. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:59, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm not an expert on copyright status, but I'd say the more pressing problem with c:File:Francis Lupton II (1731–1770).jpg is not the size but rather the intrusive watermark reading "Handley Reg Lib – Winc Fred Co Hist Soc", whatever that means. Folly Mox (talk) 13:03, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

I've added "upright" here. Without this, vertical images tend to be too large.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 13:05, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Probably that they originally uploaded the specific pic. Afaik, we can still use it since it's old (the painting), but don't trust me on that. It's a Commons issue, though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:07, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Also as mentioned, Wikipedia/Commons images should not have watermarks.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 13:08, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

More on that at Commons:Watermarks. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:14, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Ah: "The official position taken by the Wikimedia Foundation is that "faithful reproductions of two-dimensional public domain works of art are public domain".

This photographic reproduction is therefore also considered to be in the public domain in the United States." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:09, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

The Man Who Used the Universe

This is a serious - yet possibly absurd - question, but I intend on editing The Man Who Used the Universe to fill in the plot section. I am obviously not the Chaheel Riens, (or am I?) but should I make some clarification that I have no connection to the book, other than having taken the name of an alien psychologist obsessed with the main character, and indirectly humanity itself?

Can aliens have a conflict of interest? Chaheel Riens (talk) 14:18, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Others may differ, but I don't think you need to make any clarification; many people use fictional character names as their Account name, and in this case it merely suggests you have a particular liking for the book, which is a natural motive for writing its plot summary. It would be different if you were using the name of a real person, or if a real person other than yourself (such as the author) were known to use the pseudonym elsewhere.

You've now prompted me to go and read the book soon – it's one of the few by Foster that I have a copy of but haven't yet read. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.215.44 (talk) 14:50, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

2023 NCAA Division I FBS College football article

Can you please fix the error i made about C-USA players of the reference Please fix it for me. 98.186.55.18 (talk) 15:11, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

If you are talking about the reference you added to Jamey Chadwell, then unfortunately it seems that no improvement can be done, because the reference link is dead and Wayback Machine has no archived version of the URL. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 16:23, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Auto confirm my account

Hello, I've made more than 10 edits and my account is 8 days old but it is still not confirmed. Can you please help me out? Phsssttt (talk) 15:30, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm seeing nine edits here.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:41, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for flagging! Still getting the hang of it. Phsssttt (talk) 17:40, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

@Phsssttt I see only 9 edits from you on the English Wikipedia, which are the only ones that count, so you're close! Also, you may actually get autoconfirmed on your 11th edit, if I remember correctly. — Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 15:41, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Mdaniels5757 thanks! Phsssttt (talk) 16:07, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

@Phsssttt Apart from the wise advice above, the clue is the word word 'auto'. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:43, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Phsssttt (talk) 16:07, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

It's actually possible for administrators to confirm an account (not autoconfirm but the effect is the same). It can be requested at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Confirmed but it's rarely done because it's so easy to get autoconfirmed. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:54, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Aye! Now I have made enough edits that the account is confirmed. Thank you for the help. :) Phsssttt (talk) 16:58, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

@Phsssttt Your urgency to be autoconfirmed seems to be related to your desire to create your autobiography at Rishi Amatya (now at WP:AfD) and to promote your book in a similar fashion at Draft:Radha: Wrath of the Maeju. In addition, you have uploaded a WP:NONFREE image for use in the Amatya article, which is not allowed for biographies of living people. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:34, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

I was in a hurry to create the page for Radha and the author, but I am, by no means, the author of the book (sadly). The user:phsssttt "autobiography" was a total dud moment. But thanks for checking the history. Will make necessary changes. Hope to be guided and learn as much to add the happenings of Nepali writers in English! Phsssttt (talk) 18:38, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

donating? maybe it should provide all available information

This may seem a bit abnormal... but I rarely use Wikipedia anymore. It's been years... Google provides info right away that sometimes it's not necessary to continue reading at the available links. Having said that, today I was curious to see what showed up here. To my surprise I see the notice to donate and just as I almost did, I stopped. As mentioned, I rarely use it but I'm sympathetic to many things being lost and affected because of the economy. Anyway, I wanted to see if my $100 contribution would be for a place that takes me into consideration. Unfortunately, it does not. You see, I was reading about the national flowers of each country and as being from Central America, I was hurt to see other fellow countries on the list but not mine. I mean, out of all the Central America countries, mine is the largest but it somehow, it did not make it on this list. How unfortunate. My desire to donate slowly dissipated. I am sorry. It just did. Maybe after the shock and blow I felt, has gone, I'll come back and make a smaller donation. Although, I might chose the monthly option just to see how well the information changes per topics as time goes by. I do hope they reach their goal. It'd be sad to see them go, even if I only use it when I have time and am curious. That Google sure does a lot... 2601:586:CB84:6760:F4D2:956C:48B:4EAF (talk) 16:31, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

When you see a box with information in a Google search, Google often copied it from Wikipedia. There is a section at National symbols of Nicaragua#Flower but currently no Nicaragua section at List of national flowers#Central America and the Caribbean. Lists are rarely created in a complete state but grow gradually. This one originally had three countries (it was called "Floral emblem" at the time). There was probably nobody who ever decided to omit Nicaragua. There just isn't anyone who has added it yet. You can do it yourself. Wikipedia is written by volunteers. There is no application process and you don't even need an account. Many volunteers prefer to write about their own country. Nicaragua has a relatively small population and I think English is a small language there. We have a limited number of Nicaraguan volunteers and would love more. We have Wikipedia:WikiProject Nicaragua but it's listed as semi-active. The search Nicaragua currently shows mention in 40,000 articles in the English Wikipedia. Some countries have much more but it's not like we ignore you. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:29, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Copied the info from National symbols of Nicaragua#Flower to List of national flowers#Central America and the Caribbean. GoingBatty (talk) 21:01, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Creating a Wikipedia page for Cruz Foam

Hello! I am hoping to inquire about a Wikipedia page for my company "Cruz Foam". We had been drafting one through a third party provider, that we no longer are able to reach. Our page seems to only live on WikiAlpha, and we are hoping to get it live on the Wikipedia site. Please help!! Kiara Heacock (talk) 16:36, 8 December 2023 (UTC

@Kiara Heacock: To have a Wikipedia article, a company must be notable by our definition: See WP:NCORP. There are more than 333 million companies in the world. Most of them are not notable. If after reading the definition, you are certain that you company is notable, then please come back here for the messy details. -Arch dude (talk) 16:45, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Also, "my company" leads to obvious problems with policies such as WP:COI and WP:BOSS. Best to think again here.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:59, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Kiara Heacock. When you write We had been drafting one through a third party provider, that we no longer are able to reach, that leads me to suspect that you have been scammed. Please read Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Scam warning. Cullen328 (talk) 19:05, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

As for WikiAlpha, they indiscriminately accept almost everything, so having an article there means nothing here. Cullen328 (talk) 19:09, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Usage of romanized forms of place names

I am referring to place names such as those in French Polynesia. Commonly, the spelling is romanized for the article name. The issue is whether, in the text of an article, we should be using the native spelling or the romanized version.

I had been under the impression that the accepted practice was to use the romanized spelling, aside from direct quotes and similar situations, and to give alternative spellings at the beginning of each affected article. Recently, though, I have noticed one editor going through and changing to use the native spelling. Is this a settled issue? What is the accepted convention? Fabrickator (talk) 18:56, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

@Fabrickator: I'd go with its WP:COMMONNAME and see what most English reliable sources refer to it as. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:22, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

I found the relevant answer at WP:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Use English (as well as in WP:MOS): "A place should generally be referred to consistently by the same name as in the title of its article ...". Thanks for your help. ;-) Fabrickator (talk) 02:05, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Does any language of French Polynesia have a non-latin script? —Tamfang (talk) 18:23, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

No, so romanization is irrelevant. Probably the OP meant Tahitian names or French names. Even those are pretty similar, differing in diacritics or punctuation; sometimes a consonant change: Raiatea (French) – Ra'iātea (Tahitian); Moorea (fr) – Mo'orea (ty); Bora Bora (fr) – Pora Pora (ty). Mathglot (talk) 07:00, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Lupton family

About two thirds down the page, the black and white old photo captioned "Francis Lupton III, landowner" (NOT the colour Francis II painting) is still far too big compared to the other photos. Please make it smaller - about the size of Joseph Lupton's photo which is just below it. Thank you. 175.38.42.62 (talk) 22:02, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

IP editor. Using |upright=0.75 seems to do the trick. You could do that yourself: see Help:Pictures. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:23, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Need help improving tables

Is there any way to improve the layout, display, and readability of text for readers on both mobile and desktop in this table? If not, is there a better way of presenting the information? I've tried making changes (without saving them, just previewing) for both mobile and desktop, and I suspect this is as good as it is going to get. It would be nice to have all the text aligned in each column, but doing this on desktop seems to make the mobile version unreadable. I could use some help. Viriditas (talk) 21:59, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

@Viriditas I think that you could either 1) put the title under the images, hence giving more space in the column for the commentary or 2) remove the table altogether and use sub-sections for each woodcut. I'd favour (2). Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:17, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

I was strongly considering the second option, but wanted a bit more encouragement before I did it. I'll try out the first option first, however, to see if it helps. Thanks, again. Viriditas (talk) Viriditas (talk) 22:20, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

entries missing from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2023 December 8

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Hi! New noms aren't showing up atop today's log, even when manually added. I just tried to do that when Twinkle hiccuped, but no dice. Any ideas? I know a bot will be along to note those that are missing step 3, but I like to try and clean up after myself. Thanks so much. Star Mississippi 23:36, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

@Star Mississippi: Looks like there was an HTML comment that ended in —> rather than --> and so everything was hidden up until the next HTML comment closing tag. Should be fixed now. Tollens (talk) 23:44, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Yep. The missing ones are back. Thank you @Tollens! Star Mississippi 23:48, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.