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Getting an Article declined, Even though there isn't a currently existing article for that thing

I was making a Wikipedia listing for a Smaller Soccer (Football) Club in America, Around 3/4th division i think, and there was No article for it, so i decided to research up on it, And then i used the (small) findings to attempt to make a wikipedia around it, It got declined, It conflicts me, Why would it be declined if the one having declined it has no intent to contribute to the subject, Or if one hasn't been made since the start of wikipedia (which is like, a long time ago), So i am wondering why it was declined? Poliosisisd (talk) 02:52, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

@Poliosisisd: Welcome to the Teahouse! The reasoning for the decline was shared on your talk page: the topic of your draft wasn't shown to be notable because it lacked multiple reliable and independent sources providing significant coverage of the club. If your "findings" were only "small" as you put it, the subject simply may not be notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Not everything that exists in the world needs an article here—Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 02:57, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the info!, It ended up on the Simple English wikipedia, which is cool, Thank you! Poliosisisd (talk) 00:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Queen Of Psalm 45

What sources are reliable in this version to know? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Queen_of_Psalm_45&oldid=1238705608 English Mary (talk) 23:45, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

That depends on what you are using the sources for. Many of them are primary sources, which Wikipedia tries to avoid in favor of secondary scholarship, but some may be useful to document the opinions of the authors or the official teaching of a given denomination. There are also lots of other problems with this text, including POV issues and level of detail, which are why I dropped a lot of it when merging into Psalm 45.

If there are important facts with reliable sources, we can add them into Psalm 45, but keeping one article means we don't have to explain the context twice. This obviates the need for the "Narrative" section in the old version you linked.

To take just one section, for example, I'm not sure what "In the vision of Saint John" even means when it says "Some claim that Saint John saw the event of the Assumption in Psalm 45." I don't think The Catholic Defender Blog is a reliable source for the official views of the Catholic Church, and I'm not sure this unclear connection being made by one random person is notable enough for an encyclopedia. -- Beland (talk) 00:26, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

@Beland, But how which sources could be reliable in the article Queen of Psalm 45? Does the article Woman of the Apocalypse have primary sources? English Mary (talk) 13:51, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, for example, vatican.va is certainly a reliable primary source for Papal pronouncements, and it was carried over into Psalm 45. We can assume these represent and would report them as official teachings of the Catholic Church, though it is usually good to also get the perspective of a secondary source in case there are contradictions of what different parts of the church are teaching, or if it has changed over time.

Woman of the Apocalypse has a lot of primary sources. It could use more secondary sources and also secular perspectives and information about authorship and intended audience of Revelation. -- Beland (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Beland, were there also secondary sources in Queen of Psalm 45 before its merger? Is it also possible to start the article over in a draft? since another user suggested it to me on my talk page. English Mary (talk) 21:24, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Help needed to satisfy review

I was told that my contribution might be biased given I'm into automotive area and to seek help to make sure the article can get approved. I'd love any help I can get to get the article approved as I've spent considerable time to get it to the area it's at now and would hate that my time is wasted. If anyone can help both completing the document so it can get published and also coach me through any suggestions that I can apply to my writing so I can make other edits in areas I'm passionate about successful.

The page I'm looking help on is Draft:CARiD.com

Thanks for your help in advance. Prts-fan (talk) 17:27, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Prts-fan. Your challenge is to establish that the company meets the stringent notability standard Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). This requires references to reliable published sources that devote significant coverage to the company and are entirely independent of the company. GlobeNewswire and Business Wire are press release distribution services and are not independent and are of no value in establishing notability. Routine listings from the Better Business Bureau and the Securities and Exchange Commission are not significant coverage and are of no value in establishing notability. So, seven of your ten sources are of no value in establishing notability, and the other three appear to be routine coverage of funding and acquisitions based on information furnished by the company, and their independence is dubious. I see no independent reporting. Cullen328 (talk) 20:07, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, that helps a whole lot. I'll work on removing those citations and looking for ones that would actually work. Prts-fan (talk) 20:11, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

@Cullen328 I was thinking about Better Business Bureau, I included it because I saw another editor move draft from CARiD.com to Carid. I ended up moving it back and adding that BBB link to make sure it's evident that the actual company name has the .com in it. I also can remove the SEC portions if that is confusing but I cited those to specifically show that those people work at the company. Other than the people listed, I couldn't find who else for sure works there right now. As far as Wikipedia:Notability, I went through the citations and I totally understand and I need help.

I'd love to find some help in this area of digging around because I know there are enough articles they just don't pop up very easily and I need help having them encorporated.

Ex of some just from Seeking Alpha: https://seekingalpha.com/article/4451501-parts-id-amazon-of-automobile-parts, https://seekingalpha.com/article/4438762-parts-id-niche-auto-parts-retailer-with-favorable-setup, https://seekingalpha.com/article/4497566-parts-id-the-long-tail-in-a-technical-niche, https://seekingalpha.com/news/3960917-lev-peker-becomes-ceo-of-parts-id

Ex: Other places, https://www.wsj.com/articles/parts-id-files-for-chapter-11-bankruptcy-12a14b10, https://www.aftermarketnews.com/parts-id-million-financing/, https://www.roi-nj.com/2021/08/31/industry/e-commerce-auto-parts-cranford-based-parts-id-is-growing-revenue-quickly/, https://njbmagazine.com/monthly-articles/parts-id-is-creating-the-ultimate-autoparts-e-commerce-platform/ Prts-fan (talk) 17:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Consider my article

My article Iodine(III) sulfate has been proposed for deletion by Graeme Bartlett.But it was contested by another editor. You can consider my article and give an opinion to me.Thank you very much. Junurita (talk) 04:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Well @Graeme Bartlett, proposed deletion, stating that the sources provided don't appear to actually mention the substance being discussed. I noticed that Kasumov 1997 does mention I₂(SO₄)₃ in passing but calls it by a different name, Iodine Sulfate. On the other hand Bauer 2021 doesn't mention Sulfates or SO₄ at all. If you use inline citations, tying specific claims to specific sources - then it would be clearer why you think those sources are relevant.

Per the general notability guidlines there should be at least one source that discusses the topic in depth (more than just one passing mention). -- D'n'B-t -- 05:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I checked the sources, and they are about different substances, including organic derivatives. The Kasumov reference has the substance mentioned with one line in a table 1, but says nothing about it in the text. Where do you get the facts from: 1 that it is yellow; 2 that it darkens in air; 3 that it is decomposed by water; 4 the methods to form it ? If there are writings supporting these statements please let us know what they are. I check out all the new chemical articles to see if the chemical is real, and sometimes there are substances that are not real that get articles written. Since the proposed deletion was contested, I will have to decide whether WP:AFD is the way to go. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:37, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

@Junurita: As an aside to the comments above, you would do well to cite your sources inline; Easy referencing for beginners shows you how. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:18, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

just wrote an article about that here as well. I think you wrote this because you have a feeling of injustice... you are not alone. Is there a high authority here? you name the person that deleted your points but is there like a committee where one for help? or only the teahouse here? I love the name of teahouse here! :-) The Art Collector (talk) 15:50, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, The Art Collector, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure how your comment relates to Junurita's post, but I will attempt to answer you. No, there is no "high authority" or "committee", unless major issues arise about an editor's behaviour (see WP:ANI for that).

Disagreements between editors about content are normal in editing Wikipedia, and are generally handled by consensus, according to BRD, and if necessary by dispute resolution.

I realise that some people may feel resentful about their work not being accepted. Sometimes this is a matter of them plunging in and doing significant work without having first spent time learning how Wikipedia works. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.

Sometimes this suggests that their primary intention is not about the common goal of creating and maintaining a wonderful shared source of knowledge, but about a personal goal, so they see a disagreement or revert as an attack on themselves, rather than a communal attempt to improve the encyclopaedia. ColinFine (talk) 16:42, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

thank you for the time for your reply. I see what you mean. Yes I was not planning to write an article, at least not now. I am already in this stressful situation only by making improvements to existing articles. flying cars is not my field and I use the metaverse that is why I know what I am talking about. Finding sources and so is fine, I understand now that I cannot quote a part of an article and mention the article as reference. I do learn. And only by practice one can learn. Although when I make several improvements and all is simply deleted shows that whoever deleted it is not reading. The part where in 1994 Queen Elizabeth II is visiting a place and this becomes Virtual Tour should either be checked by the reference I found or simply be deleted. So whoever delete my improvements should spend time in improving themselves or deleting strange information that is in an article.

I respect other people s work so I will not dare to delete things. It is not my place. So I try to find the reference, which I managed after some effort and then even that is deleted. You see what I mean?

And now I cannot even go back to the article to edit it well. Should not everyone's goal here to make improvements? The Art Collector (talk) 17:12, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I dont know what you say. Junurita (talk) 03:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Veering drastically back on topic @Graeme Bartlett, based on this reply I don't think inline citations to back up the claims in that article are coming any time soon - so an AfD sounds the right course of action. But additionally I am confused as to what exactly is going on here. Junurita has created another article with no inline citations. Why is that? Did the claims in that article come from the same place as the claims in the first one? Could Junurita enlighten us? -- D'n'B-t -- 18:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I will add that just because something is on Esperanto Wikipedia, does not mean it is suitable for English Wikipedia. Draft:Nitrosyl hexafluoroantimonate writes about a chemical that does actually exist. So Junurita could put effort into this. Also diiodosyl sulfate is real, and could do with more inline footnote citations. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for bother you . I has added inline citration into this article.Thanks for remind. Junurita (talk) 00:06, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Respecting people s work

Hello everyone,

I am a newcomer... maybe not for long. I do not know everything about everything... but I do master some topics well and so then when I see something I want to contribute. I just had 2 articles that I tried enhance one about a flying car where REDACTED403 deleted my contribution and one about virtual tour where Sam Kuru deleted my contribution.

• Moller M200G Volantor
• Virtual tour

The task I received from wikipedia was to update the articles because they were outdated. I did so. - The article about flying car was talking about things from more than 20 years ago. Meanwhile that company went bankrupt and seemingly had received funds from a Chinese company and they are busy building things. A lot of information on the website of the inventor of that flying car. I added the reference. It was deleted. - The article about virtual tour is also outdated. I added a part about the metaverse and the new technologies... which is the evolution of the virtual tour today. I "quoted" a sentence of this article in wire and used it as reference: https://www.wired.com/story/what-is-the-metaverse/ I also corrected some mistakes in the old article and found some references and citations. All was deleted in one click saying I am doing copyright issues. I guess it is about the quote from the article. Fine then I can change that, even find other sources and so. Nonetheless the subject is there and correct. It was simply all deleted and now the article is still outdated. I tried to go back to fix it. I am not even allowed to edit it anymore! Now among the information there was a fun fact related to Queen Elizabeth II and it needed a reference. It took me a while but I found it: https://www.historyofinformation.com/detail.php?id=4082

---> RESPECT PEOPLE S WORK! I might be new here but I do things consciously and respectfully. I spend a lot of time searching and looking up before I write or change something. And what I get is simply: DELETED. Of course I am not as experienced as all of you here and for sure I can make mistakes yet my sources were good sources and I have my university degrees. Without a proper detailed explanation and a chance to fix my mistake how can I learn for future? At least whoever deletes it should rework the full article do the research him/herself and make it better. Own your actions! Also maybe do not delete everything... but a part. Or send an alert or so to tell whoever updated the information to adapt it better.

So what now? Was that my short contribution to wikipedia? Will I get answers here? My first time I message here. At least I will be able to say I have tested all parts of wikipedia. I have to admit that right now I have a very bitter feeling!

Thank you everyone for the patience. Solutions? The Art Collector (talk) 15:38, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

It looks like part of the problem here is copyright. You say on your talk page "You deleted it because I used a sentence from the article of wired? [...] It was a good summary to bring the content up to date." No matter how good a summary it is, it is still a violation of copyright and plagarism, which isn't allowed on Wikipedia, or anywhere else for that matter. The key is to rephrase it. For example, if I'm citing a source that says:

Nicole Sumner was born in Paris in 1967, but moved to England with her family three years later. There she graduated from the University of Birmingham with a degree in astrophysics.

Instead of just copying that, I might write:

Sumner was born in Paris, France in 1967. Her family immigrated to the United Kingdom in 1970, where Sumner attended the University of Birmingham. She graduated with a degree in astrophysics.

16:20, 11 August 2024 (UTC) Cremastra (talk) 16:20, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes thank you. I understand plagiarism as copying without mentioning, that is why I thought we put the reference. But yes of course I understood that now, so will change as the example you give. I have no problem with making mistake and fixing them... my issue is the way it is simply deleted without a patient explanation for new comers... and also now if I want to fix it I cannot. Somehow I cannot edit that article anymore. So how do people learn doing a good article if we cannot see through the article we took under our wing?

Also fine to have it deleted if then it is at least updated... but no, the article is still not updated as it should and so everyone is frustrated. I am frustrated because my work is deleted entirely (even the parts that are not related to copyright) and I am not allowed to fix it, the person that checked is frustrated because I complain and must think he/she doesn't want to lose time explaining to a newbie like me, you are frustrated because you have to go through reading my complaining and the user/reader is frustrated because the article is not properly updated. :-( The Art Collector (talk) 16:51, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Plagiarism and copyright violation are different things, The Art Collector. Plagiarism means taking credit for someone's writing as your own, without crediting them, whereas copyright violation happens when you reproduce material (beyond brief quotes that are within the limits of fair use) without the permission of the copyright holder. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:35, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

thank you! well explained! Yes learning from my mistakes. All good now. Thank you again The Art Collector (talk) 09:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@The Art Collector First of all, welcome to the Teahouse!

I'm afraid it can be initially frustrating when, in all good faith, you try to improve an article, only to have your first few edit undone (=reverted). We've all of us gone through those frustrations (usually caused by us not fully appreciating how this site works, and the rules everyone expects us to work to).

I think you've encountered the situation where you've gone and found sources of new information and added information to an article without actually citing that source in your edit. So anyone else who reads it has no idea whether it's your personal opinion, or is actually based on a good, Reliable Source. Adding a citation is really important, though we do tend to be very wary of user-generated websites as sources, preferring more definitive or academic sources. For example, I'm not sure whether myheritage.nl falls into that category. But if you can cite books, academic periodicals or museum websites, that would give your edit much greater credibility, with less chance of a 'revert'. Unless it's a straight copyright violation from another website, your edit, even if reverted, will always be present via the 'View History' tab for that article. So, it's easy if you do get an edit undone to go and find a source to add and use your same text again, rather than starting afresh.

I think at least one of the messages on your talk page was from an automated bot, which always sounds impersonal. But we all utilise them because there are relatively few active editors and over 6.5 million articles to maintain and improve. Leaving individual messages can be incredibly time-consuming, so many other volunteer editors use templated messages to explain what they've done. Please don't take any of the reverts or comments as a personal criticism of you - rather, please see it more as guidance to encourage you to contribute more effectively next time. But, I do agree, that they can come across as rather harsh in some instances (tough love, perhaps?).

Those of us who come out the other side of having some of their first few edits reverted continue to make enormous contributions to this encyclopaedia. I hope this will apply to you, too. So please carry on and pop back here if you want any further help or feedback on anything you've done. Kind regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:49, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

oh thank you for your human reply. yes exactly the feeling I have. thank you for sharing.

Also thank you for the tip of the view history tab. That is great to know after not to have to write the whole thing back. I will look that up. Thank you so much.

Like I explained in a private message I was updating the information. The article is about "virtual tour", we are in 2024 and so since the last years things changed in that field.

It is like if we were talking about book reading and that meanwhile the internet has been invented and we do not update and talk about online libraries and google or amazon selling books online. About the kindle that is a new way to read books. etc...

How do I manage now to edit the article again, without the copyright issue of course?

Thank you so much again for being nice. The Art Collector (talk) 17:00, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Simply try again. See WP:CITE for guidance on citing sources, don't copy text verbatim, and don't even use close paraphrasing, use your own words. Don't add personal commentary or your own view, just summarize what reliable sources say. It is also preferable to use WP:Secondary sources rather than WP:Primary sources.~Anachronist (talk) 18:53, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

thank you for the help. and the patience to read all the complain I wrote. Well noted yes, now I know for the copy right. See thanks to you all explaining I learn. Someone else also explained about the BRD rules and so. The Art Collector (talk) 22:05, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Add comic based on a Wikipedia page

I am creating comics (using text and image AI) on various wikipedia topics, and each comic is based on the wikipedia page content. I believe the comics provide value for someone to learn about a dense or complex or uninteresting (to the person) topic and can motivate them to further learn about the topic. Self learners, students, parents, teachers and others could find great value in this.

I wanted to know where best I can direct people viewing a wikipedia page to the corresponding comic.

Relevant details:

I have a mix of free and paid topics, and am not sure about the policies around commercial content. As of current thinking, I am open to making more comics free if commercial links are frowned upon. I truly believe this enhances the experience of visitors to a wikipedia page.

I am using as a source the content of the wikipedia page, and available AI tools for text and image generation

I am not directly using any other images than what the AI image generators create. I do take efforts to avoid any images in the comic that violate any known problematic aspect: legal, social, ethical, policy, copyright, trademark, etc. However, I have no control or knowledge of whether each image created by the AI generator violates any such facet. I will fix or remove any serious issues in a comic that are reported.

The text in the comics is generated entirely based on the corresponding wikipedia page content. AI text and chat models are much better than AI image models. The text does seem accurate across the comics based on my (often limited) knowledge of each topic but there may be (extremely) rare discrepancies there as well. Again, I will fix or remove any serious issues that are reported.

There are sometimes multiple comics based on the same topic that are variants on the same topic.

The comics are currently very simple in format and layout, but will get richer over time.

I am creating more comics on other topics, and will add them over time.

Given all this, I am trying to decide what is the best place to enable access to these comics from corresponding wikipedia pages. Some options I considered, based on studying wikipedia docs and guidelines:

1. External links on corresponding page to the comic

2. A wikiproject - though most of the existing ones seem to be based on a single topic

3. A new section that provides link to other media or specifically comics

If you wish to review the kinds of comics, here are links to some (currently) free comics to look at:

Aurora based on Aurora

Wright brothers based on Wright brothers

Sydney Opera House based on Sydney Opera House

Mathematics based on Mathematics

Renewable Energy based on Renewable energy

Please suggest options to connect wikipedia to these kinds of comics.

Thanks! Rcanand (talk) 16:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello Rcanand, and welcome to the Teahouse. Firstly, it's great that you are using Wikipedia content in a different way than we're used to. You are entitled to do that under our Creative Commons Commercial Licence. However, be aware that you might need to credit Wikipedia if you are directly using the text. You can find out more about this at WP:Reusing Wikipedia content, and I think you should definitely include a link back to the relevant Wikipedia articles for people to get further information. Ah, OK, so I've just downloaded your Aurora comic and can see you've already attributed content to Wikipedia - so thank you for that. It looks quite fun and interesting, targeting a young audience with bright AI images and short, punchy text, so I do wish you luck with this.

Unfortunately, regardinging linking to you comic from Wikipedia pages, I'm afraid that is not possible. If we were to encourage that, we would end up with outwards links to innumerable forms of the same article, non of which would be likely to add anything to the encyclopaedic nature of that article, and would simply be a form of free promotion for others. So I would not want to see any links in articles, though I do wonder whether if it takes off, there might be potential for a short article about them in our internal newsletter, the Signpost. It will contain a link to the editors, though I would wait until you can provide some stats and information about interest generated via the number of downloads, etc., once you get going and it has taken off.

It certainly sounds like a fun project, and I wish you well with it, though I'm sorry we can't help you further by promoting it here. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:21, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for responding and checking out the comics, Nick!

This was very useful and informative, thanks! Also thanks for your kind words about the project.

Yes, I took quite a lot of effort to ensure that the comics follow Wikipedia's reuse policy, and have added links, released under CC license, etc.

I understand your point about not wanting different forms of the same article. However, my content is adding completely new content in the form of AI generated images to expand on the original article. I consider this an enrichment of the content and not just another form of the same content. Every comic adds several new images that explain/expand/illustrate the existing wikipedia content in various ways.

You mentioned concerns about promoting this content. I do want to promote this content, but primarily because I think it adds value in the form of new content and a richer experience of the same content for a significant class of users.

You also expressed concerns around the commercial aspect of my current comic links. If it helps, I am open to create a completely free direct link to the comics (say a google drive copy of the comics) and link to those from here.

I am interested in promoting my work, but my primary interest in linking to them from wikipedia is to give wikipedia users access to the amazing content that exists in the comics, and is not already in the wikipedia page.

Warm regards,

Anand Rcanand (talk) 15:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Rcanand. You are free to reuse (most) Wikipedia content, for any purpose (including commercial) as long as you follow the rules - see reusing Wikipedia content.

However, I think it is unlikely that the Wikipedia community would accept you putting links to your work in Wikipedia artcles, however valuable your work might be. I think before you try that, you should open a general discussion at one of the sections of the Village pump, to get community consensus (I'm not sure which section would be best). ColinFine (talk) 18:24, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Colin.

I did look at the Village pump, and wasn't sure where best to post there. I started here, as somewhere it said this is a good starting point. I will look further in the Village pump and post this in the best place I can find. Thank you! Rcanand (talk) 16:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

These might be good to link from the Simple English Wikipedia. I really don't see how they'd be appropriate here.

You need to fix that annoying auto-advance that doesn't allow anyone to view certain frames for more than a fraction of a second. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:48, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Anachronist!

I checked out Simple English Wikipedia - it seems quite relevant for this. Will dig further/post there to get their take.

Re auto-advance - I am sorry about that. I assume you are referring to the preview images on top of a specific comic page, is that correct? What device are you on (mobile/tablet/desktop)? I don't see an auto-advance on a desktop browser or on mobile.

Thanks,

Anand Rcanand (talk) 16:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm using a Windows 11 laptop with a Chrome browser. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:48, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I just checked with a Windows 11 laptop and Chrome browser - I didn't see any auto-advance behavior either on the landing page or on any product page. I am happy to debug if I can get repro steps. Thanks! Rcanand (talk) 22:07, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I go to https://rcanand.gumroad.com/l/Aurora__2 and wait for the title slide to appear. I click on the right arrow on the right edge. It advances quickly over slides 2 and 3 and stops on slide 4, not letting me view 2 and 3. If I click the left arrow to back up, it backs up briefly and then scrolls forward to slide 4 again. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Contributing to an extended protection article

Hi there,

As a part of a university assignment for medical anthropology, I am required to contribute towards a Wikipedia page by adding to a topic relevant to my field. The topic I am working on is Morgellons, a page that is under extended protection. Unfortunately, I have only just signed up to Wikipedia, so I haven't been registered for 30 days or performed 500 edits. Consequently, editing my chosen topic seems nearly impossible at this point. The addition I want to make meets Wikipedia's policies on writing (it is neutral, extremely well cited, etc.), and I would be making it clear that it is a perspective from my specific field.

Is there any way this can be achieved? Are there any alternatives (i.e creating a new sub-page related to Morgellons)?

Any advice or assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Horan8199 Horan8199 (talk) 22:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Horan8199, and welcome to the Teahouse.

It's unfortunate that the article has extended protection - presumably because of the relative contentiousness of the topic. Whilst you will not be able to edit the article directly yourself, we do have a process of making an EDITREQUEST on the article's talk page. Please read that link to understand the process, and the need to offer a clear, well written and well-cited request for addition. I believe you would use the Template:Edit extended-protected, which contains documentation on its use.

You might also wish to add a brief description about yourself to your userpage which explains you are a student on course X at at Y university, aiming to contribute under an assignment to Z article(s).

The only other alternative I could suggest - and it's one I wish more university staff would suggest - is the ability to create a 'dummy article' in your own sandbox which your academic staff could judge directly. OK, it wouldn't ever replace the existing article, but it would be all your own work from start to finish - and thus a great learning opportunity. And parts of it might also be suitable to add to the existing article - perhaps towards the end of your coursework here, or via an edit request as mentioned above. I would suggest discussing that approach with your course supervisor if you think it might help. You are permitted to make any number of sandbox pages (so long as they relate to the purpose of Wikipedia!). So, User:Horan8199/sandbox could be the one you might wish to start with. (the hyperlink is red because the page doesn't exist yet, but will turn blue once you start editing and 'creating' that page). You would, in effect, be following the processes outlined at Your First Article and Articles for Creation, albeit without ever completing the processes of submitting a draft into the mainspace part of Wikipedia because a page on that topic already exists.

Finally, it might be worth mentioning that course leaders and tutors are able to create a way of monitoring the work of all their students' contributions by enrolling them at https://dashboard.wikiedu.org/ It's not essential, but it's a good way for tutors to support student work. If you have any further difficulties, do feel free to ask further questions here. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:38, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help, @Nick Moyes!

That is all clear, and should help me progress. I will do my best with the information you have provided and work from there.

Your time is greatly appreciated, and thank you once again.

All the best! Horan8199 (talk) 23:42, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

@Horan8199, can you let us know a bit more about this assignment? What level/year is it, and what country are you in? I assume you won't be the only student experiencing this problem, so I'd like to give a heads up to the folks at WP:EDUN. Depending on what school you're at, we might be able to offer further assistance to your teacher. -- asilvering (talk) 00:05, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi there, @Asilvering.

I can't believe the amount of assistance I am receiving! Thank you very much.

I am in Australia, attending Deakin University (Victoria), this is a level 2 anthropology unit (medical anthropology). The assignment topic is self selected. I have chosen Morgellons as my topic. It is a group project, and virtually all the work is done (too late to change now, unfortunately!). The prompt was to find a contested topic and edit / contribute to a Wikipedia page from an anthropological perspective whilst adhering to the core content policies of the platform. Essentially, we are not trying to contest or change anything, we are simply required to contribute to the discussion from a viewpoint which is not always present. If I had understood editing factors like extended protection I may have chosen differently, but I am here now.

Thank you for your time and offer of assistance. I appreciate it greatly. Horan8199 (talk) 00:19, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks very much! And honestly, it's probably better that you chose something that was extended-protected. That means your edit will have to be checked by an experienced wikipedia editor, so you don't need to worry about a passing patroller coming down on your head like a ton of bricks for doing something suspicious in a contentious topic area. If you can, warn your fellow students about WP:CTOP if your instructor hasn't already. I understand you to mean "contested topic" in the normal use of those words, but if any of you edit in "contested topics" by the Wikipedian understanding of those words, you can expect to get some alarming talk page warnings. It will all work out in the end! Just keep in mind that when a bunch of people start editing together on something contentious, wikipedia's "immune system" kicks into overdrive. -- asilvering (talk) 00:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Horan8199 Vis-a-vis Morgellons, I recommend you review the archived past proposals for changing the article and/or adding content. There is a LONG history of heated discussions. Much resolves around whether proposed references meet the WP:MEDRS standards. Also, you wrote "...we are simply required to contribute to the discussion from a viewpoint which is not always present." Discusions are what takes place at the Talk pages of articles, not the article proper. David notMD (talk) 02:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, @David notMD.

Thanks for your help. I have gone through the history and found nothing that proposes anything similar to the work I have done (as far as I could see). I have made all efforts to be neutral and not take a 'side', as much of the history demonstrates.

Yes, I did write 'discussion'. I should have been clearer and said 'contribute a valid and supported viewpoint to the article'.

Thanks again! Horan8199 (talk) 02:55, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Horan8199 In that case, there's absolutely nothing stopping you discussing improvements (either with or without suggested text alternatives) on the article's talk page. That isn't protected in the same way as the article is. Just keep the talk focussed on improving the article, stay polite and reasoned, and avoid wandering off into other off-topic areas, and you should be fine.

In fact, any supervisor ought to be delighted to see a student discussing issues with other editors and backing up those discussions with citations in the talk page. (You can use Template:Reflist-talk at the bottom of any talk page post in which you insert citations. This is really helpful as it keeps the reference list purely within that single topic thread, rather than make all the references simply appear at the very bottom of the talk page, irrespective of what other topics are subsequently added.

I would add that it would also be 100% OK should you simply decide to use your own sandbox for discussing the merits and weaknesses of the article, and for suggesting alternative layout or content. Once you've done that, and your course tutor has reviewed it, you might even find that a simple link to it and a few notes on the talk page could be of use to other editors interested in the article long after you've moved on to other things. Whatever you do - we're always here to help and support keen editors, and we wish you and your colleagues all the best. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:58, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Horan8199 Perhaps for extra credit you and your classmates could improve the Medical anthropology article. David notMD (talk) 09:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

That is an excellent idea. Thanks, @David notMD!

Aside from the research and writing, learning to create the contribution according to relevant guidelines is the most important feature of the project. It is not absolutely critical that the contribution appears on the Morgellons page, specifically (and it is not our intention to create friction in a contentious area). Are you suggesting that our work could contribute to the 'case study' section in the Medical Anthropology section, or perhaps to the section discussion Culture-bound syndrome?

The continued advice from people has been incredible. I never expected this much help. Horan8199 (talk) 09:55, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I am a biochemist with a focus on nutritional biochemistry, by training and profession (now retired), so cannot offer specific advice as to improving the MA article other than there is a lot of content without references that either needs references and/or needs to be trimmed. I advise against the idea of 'case studies', as that could proliferate indefinitely. David notMD (talk) 10:25, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Deleting something

Hello. I am afraid I have made a mess trying to nominate RMA Gold Airways for deletion. I tried the manual way but it got very complicated then I tired XFD from Twinkle. Now there are two deletion pages (2nd and 3rd). Can someone please help? Thank you. Ansett (talk) 23:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I think I fixed it: removed (3rd) from the daily log, deleted that discussion page altogether, pointed the article itself to point to (2nd) for the discussion, and updated the pointers from the del-sorting pages. DMacks (talk) 23:43, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Bias in article?

I do apologise if it is glaringly obvious but I was wondering if the 'Present Singa' section in Singa the Courtesy Lion is biased for the following reasons:

1. It use phrases that might be biased such as "the emphasis now shifts to Singaporeans, who are called upon to channel their inner Singa and spread kindness in a more intentional way". I mean, "channel their inner Singa" seems a bit unusual, doesn't it? Also, it uses inclusive language for Singaporeans only such as "where it imparts values like graciousness and compassion to our primary school children and preschoolers."
2. It is uncited. Compared to its previous revision , the current section is uncited and seems to lack detail in regards to the 'Singa Resigns' campaign.

Thanks, @Imbluey2 ---Please '@' my username so that I get notified of your response (talk) 01:06, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I did some cleanup and removed an entire unsourced section that added no value. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:17, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Anachronist I mean I wouldn't say that uncited section has no value. I do think that the status of Singa the Lion in the present has no value whatsoever but I think the 'Singa Resigns' campaign does have some significance. Please '@' my username so that I get notified of your response (talk) 03:40, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Imbluey2: Anyone is free to add it back with a citation to a reliable source. Completely unsourced sections are fair game for removal. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

need help adding photos to a Wikipedia page

Is there a way to get help adding photos to Tamara Murphy's page? She's a beloved Seattle chef who died Saturday. I did what I could to update her page. There are lots of published photos, including ones on today's Seattle Times article about her, but I don't know how to add photos. Terra Plata Facebook page also has lots of photos Are published photos ok to post w attribution line? EllenKuwana (talk) 03:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

PAGE IS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamara_Murphy

EllenKuwana, you ask the copyright holder of a photograph (normally the photographer), to upload the photograph to Wikimedia Commons, either (A) copylefting it according to one or other of the (very permissive) licenses that are acceptable to Commons or (B) waiving all rights to it and donating it to the public domain. (You may think "That's too much to ask. I'll get the photographer's OK for me to upload it and I'll say that I've done this when I upload it." No. That's not going to work.) Once a photograph is at Commons, it can easily be added to an article. -- Hoary (talk) 07:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

My wikipedia page is not getting approved despite its extreme value

I recently published my thesis in astrophysic field after getting its coyright and wanted to put this on Wikipedia using my decade old account. I am getting declined. Help me to put this new theory on Wikipedia for free public access NEOKALIDAS (talk) 04:39, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi NEOKALIDAS,

Wikipedia is only for reporting on topics that have already been published in reliable sources. It is not a place to publish your own theories, analysis of others' work, or similar personal reports. Those are all called "original research", and are not accepted here. If your idea has merit, publish it somewhere like a journal or website where others can review and critique it. Once it gains traction and is accepted (or discussed in detail by others in similarly-published form), it might meet the requirement of notability to merit an article on Wikipedia. DMacks (talk) 04:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Your page has zero value here. Wikipedia is not interested in original research, only what has been reported in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the article subject. Your user page isn't the place for it (see Wikipedia:User pages for guidance on proper usage) and you cannot use Wikipedia as your own personal web host. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Submitted a draft for a new article; feeling anxious about approval

Here's the draft: Draft:Dirty Elegance

I want to create an article for the somewhat obscure musician "Dirty Elegance", but I'm not sure my draft has enough wikipedia-approved sources. This is primarily due to the fact that there is hardly ANYTHING out there about this dude, which is probably why there isn't an article about him already. Any recommendations on edits I can make? Theguy002 (talk) 04:51, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Theguy002 if there is hardly ANYTHING out there, they are likely not notable. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 05:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Should've figured. At least I found this cool now-defunct website:https://web.archive.org/web/20071001103802/http://dirtyelegancenyc.com/

Live and learn Theguy002 (talk) 05:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, I give you credit for your pragmatic attitude. Cremastra (talk) 02:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

[edit source] seems to be gone despite me being logged in, only visual edits can be done

Hi, yesterday when I made my last edit I was for some reason logged out of my account, now that I'm logged in again I only seem able to make visual edits. ★Trekker (talk) 08:10, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@StarTrekker Welcome to the Teahouse. There are two ways to resolve this.

Firstly, either editing tool always offers you the ability to switch back and forth. Look for the grey sloping pencil on the upper right of the toolbar in either editor. Click that and you can switch between them.

The second way to fix this permanently, is to go to your Preferences settings and find the Editing tab. Look for the options for "Editing mode" and change the dropdown to "Show me both editor tabs". You will now always see both options. Why this isn't the default setting, I really don't know. Hope this helps. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes It works again. Thank you so much Nick!★Trekker (talk) 08:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Brilliant! Nick Moyes (talk) 08:46, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

WP:Be_Bold apply when doing WP:CSD?

Is WP:Be_Bold encouraged when making a WP:CSD to a page? BloxyColaSweet (talk) 08:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@BloxyColaSweet Hi there again, Bloxy. I'd say the one time not to be bold is when putting up an article for deletion. My view is to err on the side of caution and not to rush to delete a potentially useful article. We have some guidance at WP:BEFORE in which we require editors to do some investigation of their own prior to marking an article for deletion. But, of course, if it's obviously a useless page, then yes, act with common sense and mark it for speedy deletion. It will still be down to the admin who responds to your CSD tag to decide whether or not to act upon it. Maybe WP:AFD is a better option when you're not sure about an article's merits. Then 'Before' really does apply there. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:46, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Because the page I CSD'ed started with the header "Unbeatable Prices: Electronic Components for Sale!". It sounded like they were promoting something. BloxyColaSweet (talk) 08:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@BloxyColaSweet In that case, there's no need to worry about 'Being Bold' just CSD it ASAP as Unambiguous promotion or advertising. Case closed. See the CSD criterion G11 for this at WP:G11. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:08, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia views

Hello. I was wondering if there were any websites avaliable where you can see how many views certain Wikipedia articles get on a day-to-day basis. Regards, Roads4117 (talk) 09:21, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Roads4117, the best place is https://pageviews.wmcloud.org —Kusma (talk) 09:35, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Great, that was exactly what I was looking for! Many thanks! Roads4117 (talk) 09:43, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Roads4117: The top of page histories has a "Pageviews" link. User:PrimeHunter/Pageviews.js adds the link to the Tools menu. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:18, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

There is also the XTools gadget accessible via Special:Preferences -> Gadgets. —Kusma (talk) 11:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

How to Effectively Manage Multiple Sandboxes?

Hello everyone,

I'm particularly interested in Greek contemporary art, a subject that seems to be underrepresented on Wikipedia. I've been working on several related pages within a single sandbox, but it's becoming quite chaotic.

To manage this better, I've temporarily saved each page idea to my desktop. However, I'm wondering if there's a way to create multiple sandboxes for different pages to keep things organized on Wikipedia. IlEssere (talk) 09:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@IlEssere: You have User:IlEssere/sandbox. You can have User:IlEssere/sandbox 2, User:IlEssere/sandbox 3 and so on, or name them by subject: User:IlEssere/sandbox Foo. You can make links like that on your user page to keep track of them and start new ones. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:00, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh, thanks! I didn't know I could do that.

How can I find the correct sandbox each time? IlEssere (talk) 10:30, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@IlEssere: as Andy says, you can keep track of them by linking from your user page. And if you give them meaningful titles, rather than sandbox-something, you'll know at a glance what each of them are. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@IlEssere: The bottom of your user contributions has a "Subpages" link to Special:PrefixIndex/User:IlEssere/. You can also install User:PrimeHunter/My subpages.js to add the link to the interface. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@IlEssere: You can also use the source editor to put this template on your user page if you want:

{{Special:PrefixIndex/User:IlEssere/|stripprefix=1}}

That creates a list of links to all your subpages, available from your user page. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:35, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Suspect comment in Talk section

Hi where does one report suspicious comments in Talk sections ?

See for instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Dealer_(album) : that Australian site is irrelevant and may be suspect. I'd like to have someone with e-security skills look at it. Where does one report it ? HomerHossa (talk) 11:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@HomerHossa Welcome to the Teahouse. That link was placed on the Talk Page over 12 years ago. I suggest you just ignore it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:16, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I redacted the link, and added an explanation. —Wasell^(T) 13:32, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Issue regarding an IP user

Hello, so recently there is currently an incident in List of diplomatic missions in Sri Lanka because an IP user (he has two IPs) keeps on edit warring the page. Despite some of his disruptive edits being undone, he keeps on coming back, even breaking the 3-revert rule while not discussing it in the talk page. A few days ago, I have added a topic to the Administrators' noticeboard regarding him and his really bad actions on Wikipedia including his alt. but so far, it seems that like no admins have paid attention to my topic. Is there another way to get the IPs blocked instead of contacting a recently active admin? Or should I be more patient until an admin potentially replies to my topic (the User CMD is probably not an admin)? Underdwarf58 (talk) 12:10, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I HOPE HE ISNT USING MY IP OR IM GOING TO CRY BECAUSE I MIGHT BE EVEN BANNED FROM READING WIKIPEDIA PAGES IF I DONT LOG IN MY ACCONT. DANiHeARTz. .MEE (talk) 12:59, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I checked his IP and he's Indonesian, not Filipino Underdwarf58 (talk) 13:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Underdwarf58: I have semi-protected the article for 10 days. If an article is being disrupted by multiple IP addresses or newly-created accounts, or if disruption resumes after the protection expires, report it at WP:RFPP instead of here.

Thanks for the semi-protection, but that's not my main point. My main question is how can I get the two IPs banned instead of going to WP:ANI or contacting an admin?

Underdwarf58, I am an administrator and we do not indefinitely block IP addresses. Semi-protection is the correct solution when IPs disrupt a specific article. Cullen328 (talk) 23:40, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

But look at the edit history of both IPs. He has vandalized a lot of articles here and there. Underdwarf58 (talk) 23:42, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

SHORT TERM MEMORY ORGANAZATIOANL SKILLS

Spelling issue on this page. SHORT TERM MEMORY ORGANAZATIOANL SKILLS 2603:9001:5802:BAC7:4528:A7B4:41C1:6233 (talk) 13:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

IP editor: I don't see such an error on Short-term memory. That article is not protected from editing, so if there is, indeed, a problem you could fix it yourself. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:21, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Request for Wikipedia Page Creation - Satish Sanpal

Hi team Wikipedia contributors,

I am writing to formally request the creation of a Wikipedia page for Mr. Satish Sanpal.

Mr. Sanpal is a well known UAE based entrepreneur. His work in Real Estate, Hospitality, Marketing, has had a significant impact on the UAE real estate world and his notable achievements and contributions.

I believe that a Wikipedia page would be a valuable resource for those interested in learning more about Mr. Sanpal's contributions.

Please let me know if you require any additional information to proceed with the page creation.

Details

Satish Sanpal[2] (born 25 May 1985, London, United Kingdom)[3] is an Indian-British entrepreneur and the Chairman and Managing Director of a diverse business conglomerate. His ventures span real estate, media, and hospitality, with a particular focus on the United Arab Emirates and London.

Born in London, Sanpal developed a keen business acumen from a young age. This entrepreneurial spirit led him to establish Anax Developers, Anax Media, Anax Hospitality, and VII Club[4][5][6][7], all of which are headquartered in Dubai, UAE. Under his leadership, these companies have achieved significant growth and recognition within their respective industries.

Sanpal's strategic vision and innovative approach to business have positioned him as a prominent figure in the UAE's dynamic entrepreneurial landscape. His contributions to the country's economy and his philanthropic endeavors have earned him widespread respect and admiration.[8][9][10][11]

References

1. Satish Sanpal. India Today.

2. Most successful entrepreneur in the UAE- Satish Sanpal.

3. Satish Sanpal - Biography. IMDb

4. ANAX Developments | Trusted Real Estate Developers in Dubai. ANAX Developments.

5. ANAX Group. Anax Holding.

6. Hospitality Company In Dubai & hospitality group-Anax Hospitality Anax Hospitality.

7. Night Club in Dubai | Dubai Night Life - Vii Dubai.

8. Building A Legacy: ANAX Holding Chairman Satish Sanpal. Entrepreneur.

9. Dubai billionaire Satish Sanpal throws lavish birthday bash with top Bollywood celebrities in Armani Hotel". Khaleej Times.

10. How ANAX Holding's Satish Sanpal is bringing a sustainable approach to real estate.Gulf business.

11. The Rise Of ANAX Holding: A Journey Of Ambition, Innovation, And Excellence. OutlookIndia.

About

Satish Sanpal

Born - 25 May 1985 (age 39) London, United Kingdom

Occupations - Businessperson, entrepreneur, investor

Years active - 2010-present

Organization(s) ANAX Developments, ANAX Holding, VII Club, ANAX Media

Awards - Golden Excellence, Award[1]

Website - https://satishsanpal.com/

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Thank you, Rohitkumar096 (talk) 13:28, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Rohitkumar096, you can create this article yourself, but you'll want to look at WP:FIRST before you do. If you have a conflict of interest, which it seems like you do, you will also need to read WP:COI. References #2-5 are not useful - we're looking for references that verify the content, and these are simply external links to the main pages of various websites. -- asilvering (talk) 14:26, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

To create article on wikipedia you must be a be aware of WP:MOS and WP:N.As you are a newcomer and want to start your first article you must read WP:YFA.

I have prepared draft article so then you can expand it and then submit that for review.

see: Draft:Satish Sanpal.

-- kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 14:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

We cannot use the subject's own website and IMDB as reliable sources. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:31, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Rohitkumar096 Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, not to be authors or co-authors. Kemel49 was kind enough to create the frame for a draft, but it will be your responsibility to complete and submit a completed draft - with properly formated references. David notMD (talk) 15:57, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

A Google search for "Satish Sanpal" finds me dozens of sources written to praise him, but nothing by an impartial third party. I for one would certainly not be willing to help with his self-promotion. Maproom (talk) 16:52, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Assistance Needed with Sourcing for Draft Article on Koorosh Ghorbani

Hi everyone, I’m working on a draft article about Koorosh Ghorbani, an Iranian trial motorcyclist, and I’m having some trouble with sourcing. He is well-known in Iran and has been extensively covered in Persian media, which are considered reliable sources in his home country. These sources were sufficient for his Persian Wikipedia page, but I’m unsure how to properly reference them on the English Wikipedia. Can anyone advise on how to use Persian sources on English Wikipedia? Additionally, is there a way to upload and use translated documents as sources? We’re aiming to introduce him to an international audience, and having an English Wikipedia page is crucial for this purpose. Thank you in advance for any guidance!

Draft:Koorosh Ghorbani Neginghaderii (talk) 13:39, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Neginghaderii, welcome to the Teahouse. You asked the same question at the Help Desk and got a detailed response from ColinFine - is there a particular point you need further explanation on? 57.140.16.8 (talk) 14:06, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

MediaWIki auto-submit edits

For some reason MediaWiki will auto-submit edits, without leaving the preview (on source editor), or giving the "Your edit was saved" notice. This has happened to me at least twice. On my preferences, it is mostly default except for "Show preview without reloading the page", which were on for both the auto-edits. (now I turned it off, since it doesn't even work) Any idea on how to fix the problem? Thanks! Replicative Cloverleaf (talk) 16:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I've never seen this happen before. If you can come up with a repeatable test, then you can report it at Wikipedia:Village pump/Technical.

Is this happening with the Visual editor? I use only the source editor and I have never had anything auto-save. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:39, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm on the source editor... Perhaps this was just a illusion of some sorts. Replicative Cloverleaf (talk) 16:40, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Mobile device? I'm just wondering if a touch-screen interface lets you inadvertently touch the "submit" button. I'm on a laptop so I have to physically click on the button with my mouse. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:52, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

No, Chrome on Windows 11... Replicative Cloverleaf (talk) 17:07, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Replicative Cloverleaf One way to stop this happening is to activate "Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary (or the default undo summary)" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing. I don't know why you are hitting the problem. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:35, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Should a claim of "they are presumed to be dead" be tagged as "by whom"?

In Kalpana Chakma, relating to the person's abduction, a statement with a reference to a local newspaper says, "she is presumed dead". Without mention of reason or who suspects it. Should this be challenged in any way? Aspweb (talk) 16:49, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

No. Presumption of death is a legal term. It doesn't mean presumed dead by a particular individual. Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:55, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Okay then. Aspweb (talk) 17:02, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

AfD?

The last musician I placed up for AfD was actually notable. It was the page that was in such a mess that one could not decipher notability. However, I just stumbled upon this musician: Peter Andersson (musician) and their project page Raison d'être (band). Once again I am faced with the question: is this musician and their work notable for inclusions at WP and their pages just very poorly written / sourced (I am always amazed when I see the lengthy History of edits by WP editors contributing) or are they just using WP as a personal promotional resume platform? Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 17:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

If you can't find significant coverage of either the person or the band in reliable sources, then propose them for deletion. Peter Anderson looks like it might even qualify for speedy deletion under WP:A7 because it makes no credible claim of notability. If it turns out the band is notable (they might be if all those CD releases weren't self-published but came from an actual notable record label), then the Peter Anderson article could be converted to a redirect to the band article. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:50, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

The "band" is Peter Anderson solely. I could not find any label associated with musician. Maineartists (talk) 18:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I see it's been tagged for AFD, but there is no discussion page. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hm. Is this not correct: AfD Peter Andersson (musician), AfD Log 2024? Did I miss a step? Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 18:52, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

It's working now. I must have seen the AFD header before you submitted the discussion page. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Determining if a source is primary or secondary

Hi! I decided to help out a bit and start editing some articles, and just did the basic suggested edits for grammar and linking pages and such. However, I got my first suggested reference lookup, and I had a quick question before I start editing, since I couldn't find a clear answer in the MoS. I have the article "Paoni 1" in the Coptic Calendar (sorry, not sure how to link in this). I'm looking to add citations for the saint's days and commemorations. I have a source that says one of the commemorations as taking place on this day, but it is directly from a Dioceses of the Church and I am unsure as to if it would be considered a primary or secondary source, and thus if it would be suitable to cite. Could anyonegive me some guidance? Thanks. Exordi (talk) 18:00, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

To link an article, just put it in double square brackets: [[Paoni 1]] results in the link Paoni 1.

A primary source is basically the subject (if it's a person) or any entity associated with a subject. A church publishing information about its own calendar would be a primary source. You can still use a primary source if attributed properly, as in "According to XYZ, ....". ~Anachronist (talk) 18:29, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

COI

Hi! I wrote my first article about a college and was promptly told it's COI and the article was put into DRAFT. How and where do I disclose COI on the DRAFT and submit it for review / Article for Consideration so it goes live? Step-by-step instructions would be helpful please. I'm using the VisualEditor. Thanks for your help. LaurenLL (talk) 18:05, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Just write a note on your user page User:LaurenLL describing your conflict of interest. A simple statement saying "I have a conflict of interest with ______" (whatever the subject may be) is sufficient.

WP:AFC is the only venue Wikipedia offers for an editor with a conflict of interest to get an article published. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:25, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I added a note on my userpage and a note on the talk page of the article. Now, how do I submit the draft to AFC please? LaurenLL (talk) 18:52, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

You did submit it, but if you don't improve it before a reviewer sees it, it would be declined. I left a comment near the top, which you apparently ignored. The draft is far from being ready for publication. It is not neutral, and it doesn't cite sources that comply with WP:Golden Rule (or if it does, there are too many extraneous trivial-mention sources or primary sources getting in the way of a proper review). ~Anachronist (talk) 01:27, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

At Draft:Cory Grosser, you appear to be claiming that you took the photo ("Own work") in 2016, but it is listed as copyright protected in ref #1 Cumberland Furniture. David notMD (talk) 03:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Anachronist I'm sorry but what did I ignore? It wasn't intentional, please clarify. (And, yes, you're right that I should have made my improvements before resubmitting (ha) but I got some helpful feedback!)

@David notMD I wasn't sure how to do the image. It is from Cumberland so I referenced it in the caption (but that wasn't an option when I uploaded the image?) What is the correct thing to do here please? LaurenLL (talk) 16:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@LaurenLL: Welcome to the Teahouse. If the image satisfies the non-free use criteria then it can be uploaded locally to the English Wikipedia through the file upload wizard. That should probably wait until the draft leaves draftspace, though. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thanks @Tenryuu so you are saying that I should delete it from the draft and add it when the article gets moved to the mainspace?? LaurenLL (talk) 17:45, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

FYI = Presence/absence of images does not factor into whether a draft is accepted or not. David notMD (talk) 03:50, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

where do I write a biography?

I just joined Wikipedia and have a username and log-in. I have been asked to write a biography for a local musician, but I can't figure out where to start. I already have the info in a word file. J LIV Music (talk) 19:33, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello @J LIV Music, and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia of 'Notable Things'. So, the first question to ask is "Is your husband a notable musician (as defined by Wikipedia)?

You can answer that question yourself by visiting this set of criteria for notable musicians, or this set of criteria for notable people in general.

Now, if after reading these pages, you genuinely believe your husband will meet our criteria, then we can offer you further advice. But we strongly discourage people to create articles about friends, family or employers, as they are rarely likely to be neutral in their approach to the subject. We require such people to declare their Conflict of Interest (see WP:COI for an explanation) on their user talk page before starting to write about their favourite subject.

If your husband doesn't meet our notability criteria, then no amount of trying will ever get an article here. We recommend using other social media platforms or websites to promote them, as you would have total control over content, which you most definitely would not have here on Wikipedia.

For all new users, we always advise learning how Wikipedia works by learning to make simple improvements to existing articles. Then, maybe some months and a few hundred edits later, you might understand enough of our working practices to know how we operate, and the guidelines and policies we follow.

Finally THIS page gives advice to anyone wanting to create a new article. But please don't ignore the advice I have already given you. If you'd let us know his name and give a few links to the best independent articles that the media have written about him then we'd be happy to offer an opinion as to 'notability'. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:33, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Nick.

Although John Livingston has been well-known in the L.A. area for 40 years, we no longer have links to media articles. All I can give you are his websites, www.candlelightclassics.com, www.ShiningAgainAmerica.com, and he has a You Tube page for John Livingston. I have more on his bio, but it is Southern California and Canada. He was known nationally through his CD sales in over 300 gift stores throughout the U.S.

We were told by a multi-media "specialist" that to boost our multi-media presence we definitely needed a Wikipedia page, and she made it sound like anyone could have one.

I'd appreciate any further evaluation you can give as to whether to proceed with submitting. J LIV Music (talk) 22:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

You might want to read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Frankly, it sounds like your specialist is telling you inaccurate things about Wikipedia. MrOllie (talk) 23:05, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. J LIV Music (talk) 17:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you J LIV Music (talk) 17:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

J LIV MUSIC Your specialist is gravely mistaken. 331dot (talk) 23:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you J LIV Music (talk) 17:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

J LIV Music, if you can't be sure that he meets either this set of criteria for notable musicians or this set of criteria for notable people in general then you won't be able to demonstrate in your draft that he is "notable" (as defined by and for Wikipedia), so no article will be possible and there's nothing further to evaluate. -- Hoary (talk) 00:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you J LIV Music (talk) 17:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@J LIV Music: If you hired that "specialist", you should fire her for giving you unbelievably incompetent advice.

As for John Livingston, see WP:MUSICBIO. Exactly which of those criteria does he meet? If none, then it is not possible to have a Wikipedia article on him. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you J LIV Music (talk) 17:24, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Infobox

How can I insert an infobox to my sandbox article? I mean it wasn't published for review yet. AgroLover (talk) 19:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@AgroLover Welcome to the Teahouse. You can add an infobox to a draft article if you wish. In the case of Draft:Jack Rechcigl, you could use either Template:Infobox academic or Template:Infobox person. If you follow these links you'll see documentation on their use.

Now, I have to alert you to the fact that you appear to have stolen a copyright picture of this person and uploaded to Wikimedia Commons as if it were your own. I will shortly be flagging it for deletion, as we can we can only accept images uploaded by the copyright holder, or with the explicitly-stated permission of that copyright holder. I don't believe that the person who took this image was you, is it? Nick Moyes (talk) 20:43, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Stuck

For some reason, in the training course I got stuck on the last training exercise. Please help. Theincredibleoctupus (talk) 20:00, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Are you referring to this page of Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure ? Cremastra (talk) 02:36, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah. The popup where it explained stuff got in the way, so I closed that and then I didn't know what to do. Theincredibleoctupus (talk) 14:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah did that happen to you? Theincredibleoctupus (talk) 14:51, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Help in " Declined Biopic Article submittion

I posted an article on my Own Bio & on achievements I have done . the article was rejected and below were comments, can anyone help me improve and correct the errors so its published .

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia. This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject. 94.203.149.107 (talk) 20:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello Sibtain, and welcome to the Wikipedia Teahouse. You appear to have done a lot in your life - many of them good things that have benefited others, too. There are millions - possibly billions - of such people around the world like you who have done similar good things.

The problem you face here is that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia of 'notable topics', and we have specific criteria that defines what notability means. In essence, we need to see at least three independent, detailed and in-depth articles written in mainstream media or books and magazines about you before those criteria are met. You can read these essential criteria HERE.

So, I'm not going to go into finer details of how to improve the draft article you have written about yourself because, without those sources, there can be no article about you. Nor indeed about me, either.

In addition, we never encourage anyone to attempt to promote themselves or write about themselves here, because they clearly have a very strong conflict of interest (see THIS EXPLANATION and THIS ADVICE). If you truly meet our notability criteria, then it is best to leave it some another editor to use those sources and write an article about you, based upon them. Your own youtube videos, brief biographical notes on a conference programme, and articles in insdier magazines are simply not sufficient to justify an article about you. Sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:00, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

How do write a Wikipedia article about someone from scratch

Hep Mileswife (talk) 21:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Mileswife, and welcome to the Teahouse.

This may not be a welcome answer, but generally the answer is the same as the answer to "How do I win a tennis tournament from scratch?" or "How do I build a house from scratch?": First learn the necessary skills.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 21:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Please see "Where do I write a biography?", above. -- Hoary (talk) 21:43, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Canadian federal election 2025

I came to Wikipedia to check the list of candidates already nominated for the 2025 election, which always includes the dates of upcoming nomination meetings. Not up yet, to my surprise, since nominations are happening weekly. Instead, I find someone has already drafted one, but it was rejected with a snarly note that it was premature to start this article until 6 months before the election date. This is crazy! Most nominations have happened before that date. How can you fix this? Wilfred Day (talk) 21:21, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Wilfred Day, and welcome to the Teahouse. There is nothing to fix. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a news source. Once there has been a significant amount of independent reliably published material about a candidate, or a list of candidates, or any other subject in the universe, then there can be an article about that subject: until then, there cannot. ColinFine (talk) 21:44, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

But the list of candidates and nominations is a long-standing feature in Wikipedia. The issue is, must it wait until 6 months before the election date? An arbitrary number with no rationale, not applied in previous years. Wilfred Day (talk) 13:45, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

"The late (so and so)"

I've seen an IP user repeatedly adding "the late" prior to the passing mention of people who are apparently deceased. I suspect this is contrary to MOS, as not only does it seem slightly non-neutral, but it would impose an inordinate burden to modify all pages mentioning a given person any time someone passed away. However, I can't find a style statement pro or con this position. Can you tell me where to find this particular statement? Also, any suggestions as to HOW to search for something like this could be helpful in the future. Thanks. Al Begamut (talk) 22:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

An excellent question, Al Begamut. I went looking for the answer and entered a congeries of feeble advice, often with praise for that silly book The Elements of Style. (Incidentally, I recommend "died" over "passed away".) For "the late" occurring in, say, Category:Nepalese musicians, try this (which will also bring you examples of what you don't want, such as "the late 1960s"). You can get to it by searching for "the late" (with quotation marks) and specifying Category:Nepalese musicians. (Category:Musicians would be unworkably voluminous.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:49, 12 August 2024 (UTC) .... PS pinging Tony1, who might know. -- Hoary (talk) 23:53, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hoary: MOS:EUPHEMISM is the relevant guideline that instructs "died" over "passed away". DMacks (talk) 00:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

It is, DMacks; and thank you for the reminder. But I don't think that any of the categories of verbiage covered in that page quite covers "the late", which often (as in "the late Lou Reed", etc) doesn't add any meaning at all. (The page approaches it with "The construction then-President Nixon is often superfluous".) Incidentally, what I find odd is Wikipedia's pandemic of "located", which I imagine results from some bizarre notion that plain "be on the Oregon Trail" and "be next to the Municipal Library" would be unseemly, whereas "be located on the Oregon Trail" and "be located next to the Municipal Library" somehow have the dignity befitting an encyclopedia. -- Hoary (talk) 08:19, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I remember a WP discussion about this about 6-8 years ago, which I can't find. I do recall the argument was that "Late" should be added as a "term of respect", which was countered by calling it an honorific, which should not be allowed (although it does not appear in the MOS:Honorific guideline). I have understood that it is generally only used for a short period after death, we don't call everyone who is dead "late", but I can't find a reference for that either. - Arjayay (talk) 10:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Hoary, Arjayay [and I *think* this is the way to mention users in this context, but please correct me if there's a more appropriate method]: Thank you. Regardless of the preferred style for text that indicates that a person is dead (or no longer occupies the relevant position, to state it more generally perhaps)... my point is that, as it's unworkable to add whatever text ("the late", "then-") to every passing mention in every article of such persons (as all is transient), and since such a prefatory signal adds no information (that could not be added by a subordinate clause, where truly important to the meaning -- save, of course, text in which the discussion of said passing is natural, as contrasted from the making of drive-by "corrective" edits), I suspect that the MOS:EUPHEMISM point noted above ("The construction then-President Nixon is often superfluous") comes closest to the issue. I respectfully suggest that, if it doesn't exist, a discussion leading to the addition of such a point be begun.

Given my posture, though, anyone think I should *not* go ahead and revert these changes (adding "the late" in the manner I described) where I feel it unnecessarily complicates and does not improve, if not minutely reduces, the reading quality of these articles? Al Begamut (talk) 13:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I want guidance on how to write a page, Specifically on Baskin park, Dublin

Baskin Park is a stadium holding Drumcondra FC, There is no article on it, so i would like a little bit of help on how formal i have to write, and what sites have copyright free imagery!, I want to write it as when doing a bit of checking (got curious) And i would like to somehow connect that to the D page under the stadium section!, Mostly because I want to make as many football clubs as possible have all the information possible!, Thank you if you reply! Poliosisisd (talk) 00:53, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Poliosisisd, before you attempt (again) to create a new draft (let alone a new article), you should get practice in improving existing articles, making sure that your would-be improvements are greeted as improvements by your fellow editors. The next stage is ensuring that Baskin Park is "notable" (as defined by and for Wikipedia): if it isn't, no article will be possible. -- Hoary (talk) 01:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

thank you also we don't mention the first time Poliosisisd (talk) 01:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Rather than attempting an article about this football statium, consider improving (with text and references) the Home grounds section for Drumcondra F.C.? David notMD (talk) 03:12, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Agree with David - unless there is something really notable about the stadium, if you do create an article, it is likely to be merged into the club article, which you would find rather annoying. - Arjayay (talk) 10:12, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

JD Vance

Why have many of his awards been removed!!!!!! SHAME no one trust this site anymore, BIAS

24.101.92.191 (talk) 01:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

This is being extensively debated on the article's talk page. If you have any new arguments to add (not just repeating other complaints), that's the best place for it. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 01:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Zeltweg Air Base

This article was flagged as needing improvement in 2020, but very little has happened since then. However, all along there has been a HUGE PROBLEM in that 75% of the current article is about a disused motor-racing circuit.

For those who think this situation sounds familiar, Silverstone was created on the land that was originally RAF Silverstone, but sensibly we have two separate articles to cover these different aspects.

In the case of Zeltweg Air Base, we have one article trying (very badly) to encompass both stories, although in this case there is some overlap and it seems as if the Austrian Air Force had to shut down operations on days when the motor-races took place. In that period (1957-1969) the airfield was used for ab-initio training, and moving a handful of light aircraft types to another airfield for a short while was probably ok. However in more recent years Zeltweg has become the main airbase for the Austrian Air Force, home to their squadron of Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft. Thankfully the Osterreichring was constructed 'just across the street' back in 1969, so these days there is no conflict between Air Force operations and Formula One race days.

Crowds at Zeltweg Air Base for AirPower 2016

Presumably as a function of having two different infoboxes, the pop-up for Zeltweg Air Base is a diagram of the defunct motor-racing circuit, which is faintly ludicrous, especially if you arrive there via a link on the Austrian Air Force page. That needs to be put right. Is the answer to create a separate article for the motor-racing circuit, and migrate all of the current text across to it? Then we just have the problem of all the pages with links that will need to be re-assigned. Some of this I might be able to do, but equally I might make a complete hash of it.

As they stand, neither half of the Zeltweg article is especially blessed with detail or citations, but I am looking to put that right in due course, at least for the Air Base side of things. A good start would be including this photo showing the crowds at the Airpower 2016 Airshow, which will be on again in 2024 and (get this!) is free-of-charge for visitors. (RIAT 2025 will be £69 per person - ouch!)

WendlingCrusader (talk) 01:48, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

WendlingCrusader, if that's a yuge problem, then a bigger one is the absence of virtually any material about a military airfield within this article (ostensibly about a military airfield): what very little there is, is not referenced. So I suggest that you start by making sure there's an article's worth of military-airfield-related material, of course reliably sourced, within this. Then think about moving the auto-race material to a separate article. -- Hoary (talk) 03:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, obviously - the original article is dreadfully under-researched. And considering it is such an important base for the Austrians, I am struggling to find solid information on the internet about this location. Maybe it is still covered by their version of the Official Secrets Act? But with some scratching around I will be able to add something I am sure, although even the Austrian Wikipedia article is laced with 'more information needed' tags.

The alternative is that we delete the article completely because we cannot upgrade what little there is to an acceptable standard. I'm sure the Austrians won't mind if their premier airbase simply disappears off the (Wikipedia) map.....

As for the historic motor circuit - I will be honest and say I don't give a fig. That's for somebody else to worry about

WendlingCrusader (talk) 16:42, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

A Few Good Men .. The Actual Participants

40 yrs ago myself and 9 other young Marines in Guantanamo Bay,Cuba made a snap decision to please our commanding officer and while attempting to haze a fellow nonconforming Marine to teach him a lesson things went terribly bad. This decision would change our lives forever. One of our Naval defense lawyers,Debora Sorkin had a brother film school seeking inspiration for a story,his name is Aaron Sorkin. This story served as the base for the hit Broadway play and blockbuster movie "A Few Good Men". I have in my possession official Naval courtroom transcripts and many other documents including video recordings that can factually attest to the actual events. I also have lawsuit documents Vs. Sony Pics, Sorkin, etc. accusing the likeness and plagiarism included in the film. I was hoping someone out there in the Wikipedia community would be interested in helping me get these facts recorded into history. I think once you know the whole story it will be much more interesting than I can elaborate. Thanks for your consideration, Christopher L. Valdez Gitmoguy1 (talk) 03:10, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Both the article about the play A Few Good Men (play) and the movie A Few Good Men include descriptions of the actual event and outcomes and lawsuits. My understanding is that non-public information such as you describe (courtroom transcripts, video, lawsuit documents) cannot be used as references. Is what you want to add so different from what is in the articles? David notMD (talk) 03:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Are courtroom transcripts non-public information? Gitmoguy1 (talk) 01:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Mr. Valdez, thank you for the inquiry. (I am not a moderator, just an editor.) As someone who deeply cares about archiving historical information that changes contexts, I urge you to upload the aforementioned "official Naval courtroom transcripts and many other documents including video recordings that can factually attest to the actual events" to archive.org. After that, they are able to be cited by Wikipedians. You can also post in the Talk pages of the play and movie with links to your documents. I think this would be the most historically accurate way to ensure that your information is added. I personally have cited documents from archive.org, especially searchable 19th century PDFs, in my own research articles. Hope this is helpful. Evedawn99 (talk) 23:24, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your response and the helpful information. I will follow your advice and hopefully be able to accomplish the task. I’ll have to become much more adept with my computer skills but I am determined and will stick with it until the information is available to all.

Thank you again,

Chris Gitmoguy1 (talk) 23:46, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

How to Add a Game Developers Conference?

Hi everyone, I'm not an experienced editor, but I deeply respect the work you do. I'm trying to add the Central Asia Game Show (CAGS) to Wikipedia, but I haven't been able to get it through moderation yet. I'm not a commercial editor, and the conference itself is more of a charitable initiative than a profit-driven project. Could you please advise me on what I should focus on? I based my entry on other regional game shows, gathering similar information for CAGS, but I might have missed something important. I would be incredibly grateful to find a volunteer who can help me navigate this process. Thank you all for your hard work and for making this world a better place. Best regards, your friend, Ilya Ilia Anufriev (talk) 08:12, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Ilia Anufriev the first thing you should do, as you are one of the organizers of this conference, would be to disclose your COI following the instructions described here.

After you have done that, ask yourself: are there independent, reliable sources, providing in-depth coverage of the event? If there are, add them to your draft article. If they don't exist, the trade show cannot have a page on Wikipedia (or not yet, maybe) as it does not fulfill notability requirements. Broc (talk) 09:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Ilia, and welcome to the Teahouse.

Please remember that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. (Your account is not new but with only 19 edits in your history, you are still a new editor). ColinFine (talk) 09:19, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Submission Declined

I just submitted a brand article for publication on Wikipedia. here is the URL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Podzay) Can you please let me know why it was declined? I need to do to publish it on Wikipedia Endadora (talk) 10:33, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Draft marked for deletion as spam. Qcne (talk) 10:39, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Endadora. The reasons have been fully explained to you in the article header and on your talk page. Promotion is not permitted in Wikipedia. Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:49, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Podzay Declined, and about to be Speedy deleted. Among other fatal flaws, hyperlinks are not allowed, and content in a draft requires independent references, i.e., not what the company says about itself via own website or press releases or interviews. VERY unlikely that a company founded in 2024 is Wikipedia-notable. David notMD (talk) 11:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I need some one to help me add My employer's company on wikipedia,

I need some one to help me add My employer's company on Wikipedia, if available at contact me on [redacted] or my email Kyereta Pius (talk) 14:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Kyereta Pius: Please see WP:BOSS. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:12, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

(ec) Hello, Kyereta Pius, and welcome to the Teahouse.

I'm afraid that, like many people, you have a fundamental misunderstanding about Wikipedia.

Wikipedia's needs are not the same as your needs.

Wikipedia wants an article on your employer only if the company meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability - most of the thousands of companies in the world do not meet these criteria.

If at some point there is an article about your company, the article will not belong to your company, will not be controlled by your company, will not necessarily say what your company would like it to say, will not be for the benefit of your company except incidentally, and may be edited by almost anybody in the world except employees and associates of your company. Please see an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing.

Note that there are people around the net who will claim that they can "put you on Wikipedia" if you pay them. Most of them are scams. Any honest ones should tell you what I have told you above.

Basically, Wikipedia is not for anybody to promote or advertise themselves. If you company is truly notable (by Wikipedia's standards) then eventually somebody unconnected with it will write an article about it. I advise you to concentrate on channels for promotion that you do have control over, such as your own website or Facebook page, and forget about Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ColinFine (talk • contribs) 14:19, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, not to be authors or co-authors. David notMD (talk) 03:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

How insert photo?

I have a photograph from the 1930's that I'd like to add to the John P. Noonan article. If there was a copyright, I'm sure it has expired by now. Please walk me through the process to add the photo. Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 14:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Jeff Neuhauser: Hey there! The copyright on a work published in the 1930s would not have expired yet unless it was published without a copyright notice. See c:COM:HIRTLE, and if you determine the image is freely licensed, use the Commons upload wizard. Happy editing! Bsoyka (t • c • g) 15:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me so promptly. I clicked on your links but still don't know how to move the photograph (which I've uploaded to Wikipedia) to the John P. Noonan entry. If you can find it, can YOU add it to the entry?

/s/ Jeff Neuhauser Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 18:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Jeff Neuhauser: I've just added it to the article! See H:IMG for more info on how to use images in the future. Also, I've added information regarding conflicts of interest to your user talk page, and I advise you to read through that. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 18:51, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the photo. I read through the conflict of interest notes...I've been upfront about my relationship to John Noonan from the beginning. He was my teacher and mentor, deserving of his place in your pantheon, whether I knew him or not. My interest was strictly academic and meant to be a scholarly addition to Wikipedia, as was the entry I wrote for his teacher, Roy C. Knapp.

Best,

/s/ Jeff Neuhauser Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 19:53, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Page for Dean Adrian Rossouw

I got some one to create a page but if I search , I get Dean Rossouw the rugby player but not his page https://w.wiki/Ap5W Dean Adrian Rossouw Annelene Rossouw (talk) 16:26, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

That link takes us to another user's sandbox it is not an article and has no sources so could not be accepted, I hope you haven't paid for that! Theroadislong (talk) 16:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I did

Thank you so much for your feedback

How do I create a page for Dean Adrian Rossouw Annelene Rossouw (talk) 16:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I fear you have been scammed. Theroadislong (talk) 16:52, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

How do I create a page for Dean Adrian Rossouw Annelene Rossouw (talk) 16:53, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Without the required sourcing, you cannot. MrOllie (talk) 16:58, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Annelene Rossouw: Hey there! Put very simply, please don't. See our rules around conflicts of interest, which say you should generally stay away from articles you're connected to due to inherent biases in your writing. Based on your username, I assume you're a family member of Dean, meaning you should avoid creating that article. Also, Wikipedia having an article about Dean isn't necessarily a good thing. As for the scam you may have been affected by, I advise you to read WP:SCAM and forward any communications regarding creating that article for pay to paid-en-wpwikipedia.org. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 16:58, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't think I am scam I know the person I think he didn't know how. Annelene Rossouw (talk) 17:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I suggest you request a refund. Theroadislong (talk) 17:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you

Dean Adrian Rossouw is a professional rugby player Annelene Rossouw (talk) 17:08, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Regardless of whether it was a scam, the rest of my message still stands: please don't try to create an article about Dean. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 17:05, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

thank you I understand Annelene Rossouw (talk) 17:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

As noted above, appears an editor has created content about DAR in their Sandbox: User:Stormtroop2/sandbox. This does not begin to resemble article format, is unreferenced, and contains two images that might be copyright protected even though Stormtroop2 claims having taken these photos ("Own work"). David notMD (talk) 04:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Chemical structures in dark mode

Hi. I have noticed chemical structures are so bad in dark mode (Chrome for Android). Of course, in the desktop version it is the same.

For example, search for Ranitidine in dark mode to see what I say.

But in the bright mode the structures appear very good (black on white background); while in the dark mode they are black on a dark gray background which is a very bad contrast. Aminabzz (talk) 17:40, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Aminabzz; I see what you mean, and I'm not sure how to solve this issue. I also see that this has been brought up in the talk page for the drug infobox previously without a resolution. Since the Infobox drug template is used in several thousand pages, figuring out a way to fix the problem will likely require a discussion about it. I have started a topic for the problem on the infobox's talk page here with some example images so that people involved with developing the template can weigh in. Please feel free to add details of the problem or ideas for fixing it there! nmael^talk 18:53, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Inserting photos in teahouse posts

No problem.

Hi. Some teahouse posts need photos; because they are about bugs, errors, etc. So isn't it better to be able to insert photos in these posts? Aminabzz (talk) 18:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Aminabzz: Hey there! Editors have the ability to use images at the Teahouse just like any other page on Wikipedia. See Help:Pictures for more. However, I disagree that all posts about errors/bugs need photos, when copying and pasting whatever text is relevant works just as well, if not better. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 18:42, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the picture. Aminabzz (talk) 20:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

An approach I've seen some people use it to upload an image to a site like Pastebin, and then link to it (external links are permitted on project pages like this). ColinFine (talk) 20:29, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Pastebin doesn't do photos, but yes to this with sites like Imgur. Also, screenshots of Wikipedia are generally freely licensed, so editors can alternatively upload them to Commons if they're familiar with the process. (See c:Template:Wikipedia-screenshot.) Bsoyka (t • c • g) 20:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I found imgbb.com to be the easiest and fastest to use. Ca ^{talk to me!} 05:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

on rfd notifs

is there a venue or something for requesting admin attention in cases of rfd nominations that result in deletion but have gone unnoticed for a little more than 7 days, or would that just boil down to nagging politely asking one in their talk page? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:21, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Do you mean, the discussion has been closed but the redirect hasn't actually been deleted? Cremastra (talk) 19:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

i mean the discussion not being closed at all cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:46, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Either leave it (it'll get closed eventually, give or take a few months) or add an entry at WP:CR. What discussion is it, out of curiosity? Cremastra (talk) 19:48, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

for a few examples of rfds that haven't been closed (regardless of outcome, i'm not a professional deletologist to judge those things)

• "super smash bros. 6" (july 18)
• "mystic ruins" (july 22)
• "best year ever" (july 24)
• whatever happened in june 21 (is that a malformed close?)

of those, only two seem to meet the absolute-ish limit detailed in cr, and one might not even count, so eh

thanks cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

scratch that second-to-last line, i thought today was 8/18, meaning only the one that might not count would count if it counted cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Turkish Speedwell

I was looking up this species, and there was not an entry for it (under the common name). Upon further inspection, I found that there IS a stub for "Veronica liwanensis" (Turkish Speedwell)! I do not know WHY the stub did NOT display. I am not very good at editing this type of thing. Could someone please adjust the stub so that it will display under the common name, (as well as the scientific name)? I think it has to do the the number of ' before and after the "term" used as the subject. Thank you. Brohn Jown (talk) 19:30, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I've created a wp:redirect so that Turkish speedwell -> Veronica liwanensis, if that's what you mean. Cremastra (talk) 19:39, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

list of ethnic slurs

from what i understand of wikipedia policies, the list of ethnic slurs doesn’t seem to meet criteria for an article. i’ve read what i can about deletion, but i have a hard time navigating wikipedia’s help articles and wanted to ask here - am i totally off base in thinking that the list of ethnic slurs doesn’t meet criteria for an article, or should i try to initiate a request for deletion? i remember in the past seeing articles edited or deleted to remove simple lists of words/examples, but the fact that i can’t find anyone else discussing this issue on the talk page for list of ethnic slurs made me question my impulse to nominate for deletion. Morayeeeel (talk) 20:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Morayeeeel: Welcome to the Teahouse! Lists have their own notability criteria, basically saying a list topic is notable if it has been discussed as a group by reliable sources. I haven't actually looked over the references at List of ethnic slurs, but for such a common topic, I would very easily assume it's notable under those criteria. Also, while this isn't a valid argument in a deletion discussion, that page has been edited over 15,000 times by ~5,400 editors and has been viewed almost 25 million times. For such popular pages, it's generally easy to assume that if the topic weren't notable, someone else would have brought it up by now. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 20:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Also, looking into the history here more, there have been several deletion discussions about this list in the past, resulting in keeping the article. See September 2004, December 2004, March 2006, August 2006, and September 2007. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 20:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Is the subject "a thing"? Well, A. A. Roback's A dictionary of international slurs (ethnophaulisms) was published in 1944 and widely given serious reviews (and reemerged in 1979); so probably it is, yes. -- Hoary (talk) 21:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Making a portal

Hi folks! I would love to make a new portal (for Portal:Peace) but I want to make sure I do so correctly as per WP:MOS.

I feel that a Peace portal is missing because it would connect such varied topics as conflict resolution, interfaith religions, environmental activism, speaking truth to power, world anthems, and other previously disconnected topics. I can think of 10-15 articles and categories off the top of my head that would fit it. No similar portal exists; only a category.

How would I achieve consensus about portal creation? Or can I just WP:BEBOLD and go for it?

If I just go for it, it would be too much to do in one session; so, would it be better to build it in chunks in draftspace, or publish it with an 'under construction' tag? (WP:PORTAL doesn't contain the answers.) Thank you all, Evedawn99 (talk) 20:59, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps, Evedawn99, ask this question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals. -- Hoary (talk) 03:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

My page declined due to lack of reliable sources

I created a page about an ancestor of mine who was quite well known yet somehow didn’t have a Wikipedia page and it was declined due to lack of reliable sources but I’m not being told precisely what. Please help Finlay73 (talk) 21:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

You've been told "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources." Did you click on that link and read up on the meaning of "reliable sources"? -- Hoary (talk) 22:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Finlay73: Welcome to the Teahouse! In addition to Hoary's comment above, I think a big thing to focus on here is that you absolutely cannot include parts [which] are told to [you] directly from his sons as you described on your talk page. A core principle of Wikipedia is its verifiability, and we only care what reliable published sources say about a subject. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 22:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello Finlay73. It may be helpful to read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Help:Referencing for beginners. Reliable references don’t have to be online. Are there newspaper or magazine articles on Masutaro Otani? Does the British Judo Council have information on him? Keep looking for good references for everything that is in your draft. Best wishes on your Wikipedia work. Karenthewriter (talk) 23:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Reliable sources question

I have gone through several revisions of Draft:Aliasing_(factorial_experiments), based on comments of reviewers. The latest review (31 July 2024) is this:

 This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

A previous reviewer had the same comments (I assume it's boilerplate), but in that case I worked hard to respond to the comments, so I am puzzled. To clarify things, I wrote the latest reviewer the next day for clarification, pointing out that my sources are all reliable and easily verifiable. They wrote back, "it may be (sic) that the article is undersourced, I recommend increasing the amount of inline citations to its relevant statement or add more sources."

I wrote the following day:

 Thanks for the quick reply. I'm not sure what "it may be" means here. Is that your determination, or are you unsure? And what would be the target for an appropriate number of inline citations? Or could you give me examples of passages that still need a citation? Please note that I have already increased the number of citations in response to a previous reviewer. I appreciate your assistance here. 

I have not heard back.

I'd like to appeal the decision to decline the article. Is there a way to bump this up to another level of review? Johsebb (talk) 22:27, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Johsebb. First of all, there is no other level of review. Personally, I do not feel competent to carry out a review myself. However, the Articles for Creation process is entirely optional for established editors like you. You can remove the AfC templates and move the draft to main space. New page patrollers will then evaluate it. Cullen328 (talk) 22:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Johsebb, your questions seem reasonable (and polite). The reviewer, ToadetteEdit, has found the time to make plenty of edits on other matters since you posed your questions (currently at User_talk:ToadetteEdit/Archive_6#Reliable_sources_question), so the lack of a response surprises me. This draft has been put together over an unusually long time and shows much care; I hope that ToadetteEdit responds here. -- Hoary (talk) 23:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Nazida Syed

I wanted to check if the page I submitted through Talk is properly formatted and suitable for acceptance. I understand that I need to provide additional resources, and I’m working diligently to gather and include them. Could you please advise me on how to ensure everything meets the necessary requirements? SyedFamilyBangladesh (talk) 22:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@SyedFamilyBangladesh: Please link to the page you are asking about. RudolfRed (talk) 23:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

The talk page for FAQs on article subjects is not the right place to submit pages. I've moved the material to User:SyedFamilyBangladesh/Nazida Syed (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). You will need to make the tone neutral before someone requests speedily deletion for being purely promotional.

As for Special:Diff/1240151331 on your user talk, the better way to request changes to existing articles is through the edit request wizard, which will place it in the correct place with a template that will flag the attention of a volunteer.

Hope that helps. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 00:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

SyedFamilyBangladesh, your username suggests that it is used by a family rather than a single person. Please change it, so that each person has exclusive use of a single username. Your username also very strongly suggests a relationship with the subject of your draft. Please read and digest Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. And your draft -- sample

Nazida Syed’s life story is one of resilience, advocacy, and a relentless pursuit of justice. Her journey from being a beauty queen to becoming a prominent activist and entrepreneur serves as an inspiration to many, particularly within the South Asian diaspora. Her work in advocating for domestic violence victims, her contributions to the South Asian community, and her cultural and historical legacy as a descendant of Syed Nasiruddin Sipahsalar have left a lasting impact (none of which is referenced)

-- hardly starts to look like an encyclopedia article. -- Hoary (talk) 02:51, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

My account globally locked

Please help me. I am Junurita. Why was my account globally locked when I didn't do anything? 2402:800:6296:2B58:8473:4A6F:FCE0:9B2E (talk) 23:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

This is not the right place to discuss this, and doing so is evasion of your lock. Email stewardswikimedia.org to appeal the lock, per meta:Global locks. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 23:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I sent the question to the meta admin via email. But I'm still confused about this. 2402:800:6296:2B58:8473:4A6F:FCE0:9B2E (talk) 00:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

CC: @EPIC. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 23:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Do not continue with your block evasion. It simply makes matters worse for you. Cullen328 (talk) 00:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Editing Question(s) on my Sandbox; just trying to learn.

Hello! So in my sandbox (User:BOITOTHEBOI/sandbox), I have a thought-out article of mine. I just mainly need some help with the citations/WP:YOUTUBE part of my article. What are your guys' suggestions moving forward with the article? What should I change? How could I make it better? Is it decent for my first time? I know some of the content shouldn't be there (I think?) (And if this isn't the place where I'm supposed to ask this, please just let me know.) I don't mean to bother or disrupt anything. BOITOTHEBOI (talk) 03:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello @BOITOTHEBOI,

From a cursory reading, your article is a decent first attempt. By the standards of a fandom wiki article, it is incredibly well written. However, Wikipedia policies require an article to meet specific standards in order to be accepted. Your article does not meet the general notability guidelines, as it relies far too heavily on WP:PRIMARY sources. Even with a separate Primary Sources section, most of the sources in the main references section are primary.

If you can find a reasonable number of WP:RELIABLE, WP:SECONDARY, WP:INDEPENDENT sources discuss iHasCupquake in some detail, I would recommend writing your article from the ground up based on the information therein. (WP:RSPS may be of use.) If the information in all the RSI sources you can find is insufficient to create a whole article, the subject may simply not be notable.

For reference, compare the article on Yahtzee Croshaw before I started working on it to my overhauling of the article. Note the latter draft's use of professionally published writing (independent from the subject of the article) as its main reference pool, with minimal use of primary sources.

Additionally, if you happen to be a fan of iHasCupquake, I would recommend familiarizing yourself with the concept of WP:FANCRUFT as well.

Best of luck in your endeavours. — Toast for Teddy (talk) 05:42, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

References.

I am trying to educate people about the Gleb Korablev livestream, but I need more references. I created the draft on PS5. ClassifiedBagel (talk) 05:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

From a cursory google search, I'm not seeing any WP:RELIABLE, WP:SECONDARY sources covering the subject. It seems the subject in question is not WP:NOTABLE. — Toast for Teddy (talk) 05:52, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

How to get .srt file from WP TimedText?

In attempting to watch The Adventures of Prince Achmed, I have encountered a problem. The version on WP has English subtitles translating the German intertitles, but no music. (Silent films are very boring without musical accompaniment.) A version I've found on YouTube (via Enhanced Cinema; I will not link the video directly for fear of it not being fully above board copyright-wise) has music, but no English subtitles.

I'm not that familiar with how WP subtitles work. Is there a way to download a file's TimedText as a .srt file or another subtitle file format so I could apply them to a downloaded copy of the YouTube video?

Thanks. — Toast for Teddy (talk) 06:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)