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Citations

Hi, you added a Citations block at the top of the page Doris Gwendoline Helliwell. I am not sure sure which citation(s) you are concerned about, so I'm not sure which part of the Citations Help to read. These are the references as I have them, I'm not sure what else is required. Acferrad (talk) 21:19, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

@Acferrad: Several citations at Doris Gwendoline Helliwell appear to be simple links to photographs you took of other books, photographs, etc. Missing is name of source, author, date, etc. required for verification. See WP:CITEHOW for the basics. Using bare URL links to a .jpg is akin to stating "a book in a library in Texas" without naming the book or author. You've cited several concert programmes e.g. " Grand Sacred Concert, Standard Theatre, Johannesburg, Sunday May 17, 1914" but these are not verifiable sources unless you list the repository (website, library, museum) in which you viewed them. Also, "citations" that are merely photographs that do not verify claims text should generally not be used at all, as they are primary sources, and improper usage can lead to original research, which is prohibited on Wikipedia. Cheers, --Animalparty! (talk) 23:21, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

I'll address these in order: links to photographs - I have newspaper cuttings from that era in a family scrapbook, there is generally no record in the book of the exact newspaper reference, if there was, I would quote it. Next, concert programmes: the "repository" is me. I have the original programmes here in front of me, so how else can I reference it? And regards photographs, I have only seen 2 ways of including them - as a real photo which is visible on the page, and as a link in the citation. I'm not sure how to include links to photos which I don't want a visual image of, so that is why I put them in with /ref method. I'll gladly remove them if I could work out how else to put them in. Acferrad (talk) 23:56, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

@Acferrad: On Wikipedia, verifiability matters more than truth. Newspaper clippings should be cited as such (title, source, issue, page #, date, etc.). Clippings with no known origin would likely be considered unreliable for factual claims: a gossip magazine, self-published newsletter, or promotional publicity blurb carry less credence than reputable print or journalistic sources. Unpublished material, or material that is not otherwise verifiable by others, should be replaced by more reliable, verifiable sources (e.g. published secondary sources that refer to clippings or primary sources). If the programmes are public domain, you can scan and upload them to Commons (although citing them should still be done sparingly and with care per WP:PRIMARY). Subjects lacking in-depth coverage in reliable, verifiable sources may not satisfy notability criteria for stand-alone articles, and may be subject to deletion or merges into other articles. Photographs without text should generally not be used as references, as I said, but if it is editorially necessary to direct readers to external images to impart encyclopedic information, and they cannot be uploaded to Commons for copyright reasons, they can be indicated by templates like {{External media}} and/or included at the bottom of the article in an External links section, see Wikipedia:External links for style guidelines. --Animalparty! (talk) 00:44, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Animalparty!

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Animalparty,
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Richard Frank Salisbury Page

Regarding the Richard Frank Salisbury page. Thank you for looking at my first Wikipedia page. It has been a sharp learning curve understanding Wiki page writing (which I'm far from proficient at as yet) and I put a few days into writing my first page.

I have no conflict of interest in this matter. Dick Salisbury has been dead for over 30 years and he is an academic - there is no financial interest, the article is not about me, there are no personal commentaries in the article I wrote. My recent interest in Dick is because I have been helping as a volunteer to facilitate Mary Salisbury's donation of Richard Salisbury's artifacts to the Redpath Museum. I believe that there should be a Wikipedia page so that researchers can find this collection at the Museum.

Since the page was made live, I have recruited at least one Canadian Anthropology Society members who is intending to improve on the page this week to make it more scholarly and of greater worth. I think it would be a big mistake if this page was taken down. I think it is a very important contribution.

Cathsalis (talk) 12:44, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

@Cathsalis: Thanks for responding. I'm not advocating the article's removal (the subject is clearly notable), and it needs relatively small tweaks to achieve a more neutral, professional tone. A conflict of interest can arise even for long dead subjects, or where there is no financial connection. Writing about a family member, or an area in which one is personally or professionally connected can influence coverage (see Wikipedia:Expert editors for advice), even if under the best intentions. Your user name resembles a combination of the subject's last name and name of one of his children, and you have claimed "own work" on photos you've uploaded to Commons so please forgive me if my suspicion was unwarranted. The best way to improve the article for the moment would be to draw more heavily from secondary sources (books/articles about Salisbury, not by him), reduce subjective tone, and consider whether all verifiable facts are relevant (if you work for the Redpath museum, even on a volunteer basis, undue emphasis to it and McGill may arise). See WP:PROPORTION and WP:WEIGHT for more guidelines. Lastly, and this is more of an issue for Commons, copyright of photographs and other works is generally held by the original photographer or creator, not the subject itself or institution holding the photographs unless contractually arranged. The photographs may in fact be Public Domain (in which case, any claims to copyright would be moot). I will leave a message on Commons with more info. Cheers, and Happy New Year. --Animalparty! (talk) 20:59, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you for repairing a mistake you made on The Great Divide (play) before I could. I was almost ready to make the same changes you just did. Jalen Folf (talk) 06:25, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Zoologist

Dear Friend,

concerning your edit on The Zoologist in which you removed some "completely arbitrary and frivolous (articles): there must be hundreds if not thousands of articles to cherry-pick". You are right, in so far, that there are many more important articles, published over the years in The Zoologist. That's exactly the reason why I am working on The Zoologist on Wikisource for quite some time already; some of the first results become available now. It will still take a lot of time to make the full set available. But we keep working on it! In the meantime I had the intention to update the stub in Wikipedia with "important" articles every now and then. But perhaps you have different ideas about how to handle this. Of course every selection is arbitrary. But an arbitrary selection is perhaps better than no selection at all.

The factual problem with your edit is, that the articles you removed were referred to in the text. These references are now missing. So perhaps it is a good idea to leave them at their place until a better solution is available. Greetings, --Dick Bos (talk) 11:38, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

@Dick Bos: In my opinion, an encyclopedia article about a subject should not become or resemble a platform for showcasing the subject. And while I was unaware that the articles I removed were also inline citations, I think that citing any arbitrary articles just to prove they exist runs afoul of WP:PRIMARY and WP:PSTS, and hinders a neutral point of view in presenting elements disproportionately to their coverage in reliable secondary sources. "Important" articles is a loaded and subjective term. If secondary sources on the history of The Zoologist consistently single out works by Selous and Howard above others, then we need to cite those secondary sources to establish due weight and proportionality. Otherwise, picking arbitrary articles just because they exist on Wikisource, or because they strike the fancy of me or you, runs the risk of misrepresentation, original synthesis or even original research. I included the Wikisource link to The Zoologist, where users can browse articles at their leisure, but there needs to be better justification for why we should be directing readers to individual articles in Wikipedia's voice. Cheers, --Animalparty! (talk) 22:36, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Why the parameter "axing"?

I can as well ask you: why are you being an "axe"? Your IABot edit at Jim Berkland was not good, let alone necessary, where it split citation first/last and volume/issue/pages parameters onto separate lines. Grouping these parameters on the same line increases readability and aids in error-checking, and thus improves accuracy, while splitting them serves no purpose. Please don't do that. ♦ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 22:18, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

@J. Johnson:: The bot added archived links to now dead URLs, which is a positive addition, improving verification. Grouping certain parameters on the same line may have a practical, or aesthetic use, but is not mandatory, and no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I don't care either way. A wrench tweaks and tightens small errors as they arise. An axe chops away bluntly. Cheers. --Animalparty! (talk) 22:31, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

If you don't care, then why split the parameters? It is not an error (small or otherwise) to group parameters, and splitting them in the course of doing other edits is "chopping away bluntly". Please don't do that. ♦ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 23:42, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

@J. Johnson: I did not split the parameters, the bot did. I honestly did not notice the changes to parameters, because their arbitrary formatting is trivial compared to preserving working links. Feel free to restore the parameter grouping you prefer, and I will vigilantly guard against all future attempts to alter them. I'm terribly sorry for causing you trouble, and will try not to do it again. All the best, --Animalparty! (talk) 23:57, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. If the bot contributes to this problem (perhaps a default setting?) perhaps you would favor fixing that. ♦ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 00:21, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Help please with "part-submerged" article

Hello Animalparty, while doing mostly copyedits on the article about Germaine de Staël, I realised that a great chunk of earlier unmodified text was not appearing either under "preview" or "publish changes". I have never come across this before. I have left a message on the Talk page. It affects text from the end of subsection "Mistress of Coppet" up to the section on "Offspring". Is this a unicode glitch or to do with my computer? Your skilled eye on this would be most helpful. Thank you. --Po Mieczu (talk) 16:55, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

@Po Mieczu: Parts of the article are in Hidden text, i.e. all the content between . Hidden text might include helpful comments for other editors regarding the adjacent text, or material that is pending verification, or pending relocation elsewhere. If the hidden text is worth adding to the encyclopedia, it should be unhidden. If it is content that doesn't belong in the article, it should probably be removed or added to another article as editorial discretion warrants, per WP:VNOTSUFF or WP:OFFTOPIC. --Animalparty! (talk) 17:14, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

@Animalparty: Thank you for that. It is distinctly a laborious piece. I'll have a go at sorting it. Thanks for your time!--Po Mieczu (talk) 17:28, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Your advice, Animalparty, worked like a dream. I hope the result is warranted! Regards, --Po Mieczu (talk) 19:11, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Horace William Petherick

I am unsure what the protocol is here - should I be trying to talk to you on this page or my own talk page.

First: Thanks for your comments - I will try and improve the article as suggested.
Second: Re CC licence for Two Children Photo - you said that the CC BY-NC licence was false. The creative commons page on the [website:https://www.artuk.org/discover/artworks/two-children-88673] says This image is available to be shared and re-used under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial licence (CC BY-NC). Elsewhere on the ArtUK site (though I can't find the page this morning) I gave two forms of how it would like the work to be acknowledged in the caption. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johncosgrave (talk • contribs) 11:11, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

@Johncosgrave: Maybe your browser is different than mine, or I need to be logged in to see additional material, because I don't see any mention of Creative Commons on that link. This blanket copyright page vaguely and confusingly mentions "any relevant Creative Commons licence... and/or for non-commercial research." The image is very likely PD regardless of what the Art UK website claims (U.S. does not recognize the mere act of scanning a public domain image to constitute original authorship, see Sweat of the brow), but note that Non-Commercial (the "NC" in CC BY-NC) restrictions are incompatible with Wikipedia or Commons: see "Can I copy from open license or public domain sources?" and Commons:Licensing: with the exception of fair-use content, all media on Wikipedia must be free to be modified and reused for any purpose, even commercial. Cheers, --Animalparty! (talk) 16:22, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

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(The) Cambrian Quarterly Magazine and Celtic Repertory

Hi Animalparty, thanks for moving Red Dragon (magazine) to The Red Dragon (magazine). Could you also move Cambrian Quarterly Magazine and Celtic Repertory to The Cambrian Quarterly Magazine and Celtic Repertory please? (I'm not sure of all the associated details that also need changing.) Thanks. ~ RLO1729^💬 01:45, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

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Long titles?

Hmmm, ok. So, think we should move this one too? The Reconstruction of Nations: Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Belarus, 1569-1999. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:40, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

@Piotrus: Yes, I think moving that is appropriate in this case. Choosing the most appropriate article title is often a compromise between different guidelines, e.g. WP:CONCISE, WP:PRECISE, WP:SUBTITLES, WP:COMMONNAME, etc. In some cases a subtitle can be kept if it aids in disambiguating two works with the same title (although some may favor a parenthetical disambiguator such as "(book)" for more concise but less natural disambiguation. Note, I reverted your move of J. Blair Seaborn because the full name does not appear to be the most widely used name. --Animalparty! (talk) 20:51, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

appreciation

I could go through and thank each of your edits, but it seemed more efficient to thank you here for your work on The McLain Family Band (plus at Commons)! — Fourthords | =Λ= | 19:07, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

@Fourthords: Thanks! that's very kind of you. --Animalparty! (talk) 19:25, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Leal Douglas

That picture was a great find, Animalparty, many thanks. As you may have spotted, it is from The Beetle, so I have added it here. Moonraker (talk) 06:11, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@Moonraker: Looks good, thanks! --Animalparty! (talk) 16:29, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

The Photo Barnstar

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		For acts of kindness in finding pictures here and there, most recently one for Leal Douglas Moonraker (talk) 07:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Entomologist photos

Hi, thanks for revising the images on the individual entomologist pages from the Joicey photo. I wondered what you would think of replacing them with the equivalent images cropped from the sepia version of the original instead of B&W. ~ RLO1729^💬 03:07, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@RLO1729: In the case of scans of reproductions like File:BulletinHillMuseum1921HillMuseumJoicey cropped.jpg, I don't think they were originally sepia-toned photographs, but rather black-and-white prints on white on paper that yellowed over time, so I don't think there is much value to restoring the yellowing, although a slight tint does give a bit of warmth. If we had access to the original photographic prints that the journal used for reproduction, and those were toned, then a stronger case could be made (for instance File:Georgia O'Keeffe MET DT227433.jpg is a palladium print, so the tone is more integral to the work). I personally don't think it's worth the effort to restore the greenish yellow from age but wouldn't object to you enhancing the scans with a slight warm tone. --Animalparty! (talk) 23:31, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

George Robinson (bookseller)

Yes, you are probably right. I couldn’t make up my mind between George Robinson (bookseller) and George Robinson (publisher). But someone I have quoted called him “king of the booksellers, so I think you jumped the right way. Moonraker (talk) 15:29, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Moonraker: "Bookseller" seems to be the most common single-word descriptor, as used by UK National Archives, Royal Academy, and Dictionary of National Biography. Cheers, --Animalparty! (talk) 18:36, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Clay Jenkins

How did you you find that image of Clay Jenkins? I was having a lot of trouble finding images that I knew weren't copyrighted. Bait30 ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 02:05, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bait30: I just searched "Clay Jenkins" on Wikimedia Commons, and found File:FEMA - 45987 - Photograph by Earl Armstrong taken on 01-24-2011 in Texas.jpg. Fortunately the file had good descriptive text. --Animalparty! (talk) 02:25, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

I feel like an idiot now haha. I can't believe I didn't think about that. Thanks! Bait30 ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 19:56, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

What contribution wasn't constructive

What contribution wasn't constructive?

@112.168.189.72: You appear to be doing nothing other than anonymously (as an unregistered IP addresses) posting inflammatory, undue "LAST WARNING"!!!! notices on user talk pages without mentioning the vandalism you imply. If you have an issue with some edits I have made, tell me. --Animalparty! (talk) 05:23, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

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Hi animalparty. Thank you for your message on my page. I am simply trying to include more information on scholars that are missing from the "american scholars of Islam" page. I got all my information for the pages I created from the internet. That is it.

Thank you for your concern and your message is appreciated as I will keep in mind not to create a page that has any seemingly "promotion" type links. I see it my duty to add more information to Wikipedia on figures, ideas, for the greater public good. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Islamandscischolars (talk • contribs) 19:47, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Copyright

Animalparty, thank you for your assistance with an image at Frank Park. I should have checked Commons, to see if that image already existed. You straightened that out. My experience with image usage, and copyright issues, is limited. So I was hoping that you might offer a second opinion on a matter that is hanging up a DYK approval. I reviewed Elizabeth Read, and believe that the photograph used in that article might have some restrictions attached. The article creator thinks otherwise. There is a short discussion on that subject. Your opinion would be controlling, should you wish to offer one. Either way, thanks for helping out with Frank Park. Gulbenk (talk) 18:25, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Thriii and China Anne McClain

Hello, Animalparty you added a non-existent category to both Thriii and China Anne McClain. Just to let you know, both edits have been undone by me because it wasn't clear what it is that you were trying to do by adding these categories. Maybe you can enlighten me? Otherwise, just see this as a notification that you made typos on both pages. Factfanatic1 (talk) 01:57, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

@Factfanatic1: Thanks for fixing those errors. Those were the result of a Cat-a-lot error. I reverted most of them, but missed a couple. Cheers, --Animalparty! (talk) 03:06, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Use of detailed dates

Hello, Animalparty. On a number of edits on work that I've done, you have removed detailed dates from persons mentioned in the text. The reason why I try if possible to provide full dates is simple. At present, from a Western European or North American, perspective, people can often be identified sufficiently well by the years of birth and death, if there is other identifying data. However, this ignores the growing importance of China. With every year, China is a growing both as an economic heavyweight and as a font of scholarship. More and more articles will contain references to people from China. The problem with just using years to identify such people is that the majority of Chinese share relatively few surnames (47.4% of mainland Chinese have the surname Wang, for example). Thus I believe that, rather than treating references to Chinese persons in a different way, we should try to identify all persons referred to as uniquely as possible, hence the use of accurate birth and death dates where available.Johncosgrave (talk) 14:00, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Belittling

I wasn't trying to belittle Helene Odilon. I have always included a subject's personal life before their career, man or woman, before I included their career section. SL93 (talk) 19:17, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

@SL93: Starting an article with birth and early life is one thing, as you did in Mildred Hope Fisher Wood, but jumping from birth straight to marriages, and giving them devoted sections with almost as much prose as her career gives the sense that marriages are more noteworthy than her career. Would it be appropriate for Alexander Girardi to start with discussion of his unhappy marriage to Odilon before mentioning his most renowned roles? It's an issue of presentation, balance, relative emphasis, and style, all of which are admittedly somewhat subjective. I find a combination of the inverted pyramid model and chronological flow often makes for better articles. Section headers also add more visual weight, and can impede visual flow in relatively short articles, so should be applied judiciously to emphasize the most relevant aspects of a biography (e.g. everyone dies, not every article warrants a 'death' section). Cheers, --Animalparty! (talk) 19:41, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Great, but don't automatically assume that was an editor's attention. Yes, I feel like it would be appropriate because that is what I would have done in his personal life section, which I always add first. I jumped from birth to marriage because I can't find English sources for anything in between... SL93 (talk) 19:44, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

@SL93: Belittling may have been too strong a word, and I apologize. I didn't intend to disparage you or your contributions. 'Unbalanced' may have been a better term. Article structure can subtly, even subconsciously reflect or perpetuate existing gender biases in historic writing, as touched upon at Wikipedia:Writing about women. And I would say most Good and Featured Article biographies discuss personal life throughout the prose, as appropriate, and/or if a Personal life/marriages section is present, it's often near the end, as relatively less prominent than other aspects of the biography. Every biography is different of course, and structure can change as article expands. Happy editing! --Animalparty! (talk) 20:14, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the apology. It certainly isn't unconscious with me or else I would be belittling my own gender also. SL93 (talk) 20:16, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Bryans Donkin

Hallo, if you've got a source for the info in your edit summary "‎ The Bryan Donkin (1768–1855) was this Byron's grandfather. Bryan Donkin Jr. (1809–1893) currently lacks an article.", it would be useful to add the names and dates of both father and grandfather here, to clarify. Thanks. PamD 06:35, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

@PamD: I've added the sources and clarified the article. Less reliable but sill informative sources for genealogy include Find a Grave and FamilySearch entries. There are at least 5 Bryan Donkins in the family (6 if you include Sydney Bryan), and all but Horatio seem to have become civil engineers. Cheers, --Animalparty! (talk) 06:04, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks: clarification like that is always useful especially when we've already seen confusion. Too many similar names. (I am descended from 4 generations of Roberts Moffat, which makes researching that bit of the family tree complicated.) PamD 16:16, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Thomas Edward Wilkinson

Hi Animalparty. Thank you for your message on my talkpage. I have requested a history merge for the above article as you suggested. However I would be most grateful if you could kindly explain the nature of the problem? The history of the article is still there on its history page, as from 2011. Is the problem actually that I copied and pasted my expansion from my userpage? I have been copying and pasting my articles to mainspace for something like 15 years, and this is the first time my userspace editing history has been asked for. For your information, my userspace history for the creation of this article expansion is here. Thank you. Storye book (talk) 09:11, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@Storye book: The previous article was at Thomas Wilkinson (bishop of Zululand), which dates back to 2009 and had corresponding Wikidata linkage. By usurping the redirect Thomas Edward Wilkinson, the article history is disrupted, and a duplicate Wikidata item was created (now merged). A better option would have been to request a move (rename) of Thomas Wilkinson (bishop of Zululand) first, and then expand with new content. Cheers, --Animalparty! (talk) 17:15, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm a bit puzzled though, as my request here has been completed but admin said there was nothing to do. I shall, however, bear this in mind in future, and request a page move from admin if the move system cannot do it automatically. Storye book (talk) 17:25, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Extinct and Vanishing Birds of the World

Hi, Animalparty. I noticed you doing some welcome housekeeping in and around the Lauder Greenway family of pages. After reading your User page it occurred to me that you might be ideal to dig into something related: a new article for Extinct and Vanishing Birds of the World by James Greenway. Based on cursory research, the book feels like a seminal entry to the ornithological canon -- if not zoology overall. The page would need someone of your expertise and skill-set though. Let me know if you have any interest, I can happily provide biographical details on the author if you are. 1I0I1I0I1I0 (talk) 09:26, 16 September 2020 (UTC)1I0I1I0I1I0

@1I0I1I0I1I0: I'm not a specialist in ornithology, but I must say I've never heard of the book. While it seems to have a few expected contemporary reviews in journals, it doesn't seem to have had the social impact of a Silent Spring, nor accolades like The Beak of the Finch. Are there enough reliable, third-party sources that would support a separate article? It looks like it's ably discussed already in James Greenway's article, giving due weight and proportional coverage. For comparison, the notable Field Guide to Western Reptiles and Amphibians (famous among students and researchers of western North America) is discussed in a section at Robert C. Stebbins. I find most stand-alone book articles on Wikipedia are either unsatisfying stubs that merely state existence of book and the existence of reviews (minimally meeting WP:NBOOK), or are overly-detailed fluffed-up showcases written by fans, that resemble book reports more than encyclopedic articles. Cheers, --Animalparty! (talk) 15:25, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

@Animalparty: All salient points. Well received. The author is such a unique character that I suspect that the book have a bit more thrust to it that what is on his page. Rather than beginning the uphill climb to a unique page, will simply investigate to expand the books subsection within James Greenway. Wishing you well! 1I0I1I0I1I0

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William Brooks Close

Thanks for the tweak to the lead. I referred to him as a colonist because that was what multiple sources used to describe him. Your tweak is better though. SL93 (talk) 22:14, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

@SL93: You're welcome! --Animalparty! (talk) 22:28, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

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Take it easy

Hey, Animalparty:

There is probably some Wikipedia rule against deleting massive sections of an article, specifically, the entire Literary Correspondence section of the T. O'Conor Sloane III article because you feel it to be too intricate in detail and would only interest a small audience. That's your opinion. Let the audience be the judge of that, not you. That section provides insight into the work of the man. I have reverted that section and will continue to do so if you decide to be unreasonable about it - then we can take up with the arbiters. It is one thing to improve an article through skillful edits, quite another to slash large quantities of quality research and work that provide value to the understanding of the subject and his contributions. Your approach is not productive and might even dissuade the casual Wiki editor from making contributions to this admirable venture - I, however, do not fall into that category. Be more mindful of your wholesale and callous deletions.

Ilikewiki2020 (talk) 04:34, 19 December 2020 (UTC)Ilikewiki2020

@Ilikewiki2020: Hello. Welcome to Wikipedia. There are certainly lots of policies and guidlines. Sometimes I am blunt. My only aim is to help make well written encyclopedia articles. And sometimes that means removing things that don't really belong, especially if they are given disproportionate coverage to the subject as a whole. See also Writing better articles. I explained the reasons for my actions on Talk:T. O'Conor Sloane III. You and I are engaged in the Bold-revert-discuss model in a quest to ultimately make better articles. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and I think Wikipedia article should resemble legitimate encyclopedia articles: logical paragraphs summarizing published knowledge in due weight. From my view, T. O'Conor Sloane III, while certainly well-researched, is overly detailed throughout, padded with extraneous info, and built too largely from primary sources and passing mentions. This makes it not only arduous for readers, but risks original research or original synthesis if it builds a narrative that is not actually present in any given source. The "Literary Correspondence" section appears the most excessive and disposable part of this article, which is why I removed it the talk page for preservation. Per WP:NOTEVERYTHING: Information should not be included in this encyclopedia solely because it is true or useful. A Wikipedia article should not be a complete exposition of all possible details, but a summary of accepted knowledge regarding its subject. Every section in the article, as well as the number of sections, can and should be streamlined, trimmed of fluff, and consolidated. Lastly, I notice that your contributions have been almost exclusively regarding Sloane family. This is not certainly forbidden, but should you have any personal or professional connections to the subjects please review Conflict of interest guidelines. Cheers. --Animalparty! (talk) 05:45, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Thank you for your response. I can be blunt as well, perhaps a fault, depending upon whom you ask. I am writing about Sloane III and therefore some detail has also been provided about his family, an approach that I see in just about every Wiki article of substance, all with citations to sources available to any and all to find if they are diligent in their research, this aspect rounds out the story in my perspective. As a historian, I have never seen primary sources characterized as being a questionable thing as they seem to be for Wiki, in historical research they are simply the gold standard. That being said, per the Wiki definition, I don't see the abundance of primary sources mentioned - I see legitimate sources of publicly-available information and I have included a very significant number of newspaper articles as resources. A reason for including the literary correspondence then is to further support the secondary source or 3rd party availability of information regarding Sloane's work. Finding information that specifically details the contributions of editors to the literary world is actually rather difficult I have found and yet they are indeed notable when you look at the sum total of their references and so I have added in the citation quotes (not in the prose) information that supports said contributions - how else would one do it otherwise when establishing notability? I have included far more than simply passing mentions about Sloane. It has been my intention to spotlight an editor who I think has obviously made some important contributions. What I have done per this conversation is drop the Literary Correspondence to a subheading at the very bottom of the article, under See Also, along with his family history which is absolutely fascinating in my view. As well, I find archival collections of papers to be fascinating, others may as well, I know that historians certainly do and Wiki provides an interesting look at many historical figures. I understand the concept of summary but why in the world would abundant detail ever be a bad thing? Correct, I have been contributing extensively to Sloane stuff, not going to be interrogated about it, not a conflict of interest (interesting that term being applied to work being done for free by the way!), simply a very long and interesting story. Anyway, this was a nice reminder to stop spending nearly so much time working on Wiki when all of that work can just be wiped away in a split second while also being reprimanded by whom, exactly? Cheers indeed. Ilikewiki2020 (talk) 06:37, 19 December 2020 (UTC)Ilikewiki2020

Mr. Soul!

Hi Animalparty, I first want to thank you for your feedback to me. Whether I agree or not, I always try to have an open mind to get a better understanding of what is being conveyed to me. With that said, You don't know me, so I may just another username to you. However, since I have been at home due to covid-19, I started editing pages. Editing and creating pages for mainly legendary Classic Soul/R&B artists of the 60's 70's and 80's, who deserve to have their legacy preserved. I am very passionate about that era of artists who had gold and platinum albums back then, but didn't get the respect nor the money they deserved for their huge contribution to the music industry. I see a need and I give my unpaid time to create pages and/or update for those who are very much deserving. I see that your comments on the history pages implies that I am trying to promote, advertise and as you suggested, use as a soapbox. As far as my intentions, none of that is true. MR. SOUL! happens to be about the music I am passionate about and I was surprise there wasn't a page when I went to google it. I then looked at other pages for their formats. I looked at The Godfather, my favorite movie as a reference and saw that there was a critical reception section with lengthy reviews. I took that as okay, I can post reviews for the film. I didn't use the whole review just a couple of lines from each of the 6 critics. That is what you removed. I don't have a problem with it being removed, however I did that section because I thought it was okay. Now I know it is not.

You removed "The Movie" from the title of the page Mr. SOUL! The Movie, which I was glad. I was going to request the removal of it, because after further research, I saw that "The Movie" wasn't part of the official name, but was used on social media, on posters and on some of the newspaper articles. I am however, confused as to why you Changed SOUL! to Soul! Mr. SOUL! capitalized is the name of the film. If you can answer that for me I would appreciate it.

I started the page after reading an article that stated Ellis Haizlip as huge as he was didn't have a Wikipedia page. However, he did have one, Although it was a little weak considering his body of work. Since he had one, I figured I would started the Mr. SOUL! page and then that lead into me starting a page for the filmmaker Melissa Haizlip. This wasn't on my radar until last Friday. I wanted to create more pages for top 40 R&B/Soul albums and 45 records.

I saw your comment about Trying to disguise Melissa page as a Mr. SOUL! page. I wouldn't have any reason to do that when I already created a page for Mr. SOU!. You then stated on the comments of Ellis Haizlip page, (paring back undue coverage of the documentary film: this article is about Haizlip, not PR for his niece or the film). I wasn't doing PR for his niece, I am not paid by anyone. If you look at the pages I have created and/or edited, you will see the different pages I am on. The film is totally about the television show SOUL! and Ellis Haizilp, so I felt a need to include the film about him on his page. Even while doing Mr. SOUL!'s page I saw that singer Lalah Hathaway didn't have a photo on that page, so here I go looking for a photo of her that I took in 2018. I saw a need that I could fix and I did it. I shouldn't take your comments personal, but I don't want to be tagged as someone who is promoting or advertising when it isn't true. I thought, if it is fact and you can source it, then it was okay. However, I saw your comment above responding to another person where you referenced, WP:NOTEVERYTHING: {{xt|Information should not be included in this encyclopedia solely because it is true or useful... I got that immediately. I was a little more upset about your side comments, until I saw that response. From your perspective and position, one might think that I was maybe promoting. I was just hyped about doing my first film page, which turned into doing Melissa Haizlp page, which turned into adding content to Ellis's page and a comment on SOUL!'s page. I thought it was appropriate and needed.

The bottom line is that I wasn't promoting, advertising and/or on a soapbox and I don't want to be labeled as such, because my heart is in what I am doing, free of charge. It is still all a learning experience for me.

Thank you in advance for your time. Vannessajg (talk) 01:43, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi! Just posting here in passing, as I started the Ellis Haizlip article a couple of months ago. I'm more than happy to help out with improving music articles, especially on the areas you're interested in. We generally don't repeat information from one article in a different article - that is what WP:LINKS are for. So far as the article title is concerned, the guidance we follow is at WP:NCCAPS, so Animalparty was quite right to make the move. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:15, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Good morning, thank you for the information and your offer to help with the areas of my interests. I will converse with you on your page.Vannessajg (talk) 15:21, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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	You get the Blathwayt award for the pic of Dr Mary Morris. Thank you. Victuallers (talk) 09:37, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Mary Morris (doctor)

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Valiant Universe

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Frances Theresa Peet Russell

You made great additions to the article. It looks much better. SL93 (talk) 22:05, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Are you interested in a DYK credit for Roberta Arnold? SL93 (talk) 23:09, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

@SL93: No problem! Sure, I'll take a DYK credit for Arnold. Thanks. --Animalparty! (talk) 01:05, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Ok. I added it. SL93 (talk) 03:04, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Presidential cabinets

Hi Animalparty, thanks for your addition of a hat note to the Presidential cabinets article. I agree the title isn't ideal. Do you think the German name should be used instead? Or maybe an add-on like "of the Weimar Republic" could be useful? Best, Modussiccandi (talk) 22:40, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

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University of Minnesota Law School alumni

Why was Category:University of Minnesota Law School alumni removed from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_McConnell_and_Jack_Baker#Birth_of_America%27s_first_same-sex_marriage --Y6f&tP4z (talk) 12:57, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@Y6f&tP4z: Because it only appears to apply to Jack Baker (activist), not the married couple. See Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects --Animalparty! (talk) 17:15, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. --Y6f&tP4z (talk) 21:12, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Help with A Wiki Article!

Hi Animalparty!

I am a student who is new to Wikipedia. One of my courses consists of editing and updating the Geophilus Flavus Wikipedia page, I was wondering if you would be able to provide me with some feedback or suggestions to help me improve this page, as I've noticed you are a part of the Anthropods Wikiprojects. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!

--Witchruby (talk) 03:27, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Edna Patricia O'Keefe source

Hi there. Thanks for correcting the name. Could you please add a citation for that info, because the cited reference uses the name Ednamay Graham. Thanks.4meter4 (talk) 12:46, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

@4meter4:. Done! Another source is Stars of the Radio (1932). For what it's worth, there is a primary source referring to whom might be the same person: an 'Edna May O'Keefe' born ca. 1912 living in San Francisco with occupation "radio artist" in the 1930 census, but from what I've seen in casual googling, most published secondary sources seem to use "Edna O'Keefe" or "Edna Patricia O'Keefe" (who, after divorcing Graham, married KFRC manager Harrison Holliway). Finding real names (as well as birth dates) for show business people can be tricky: seems everyone has a stage name, and lies about their age! --Animalparty! (talk) 17:32, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Nice work! What a confusing tangle!4meter4 (talk) 17:34, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

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Nicholas Wade

When Nightheron says "his part was extensively discussed at the talk-page, and it was pointed out that this book is what greatly contributed to Wade's notability" what that really means is a handful of editors refused to compromise or listen to any other editors concerns. I pointed out exactly what you did, that this level of detail is inappropriate for a biography to no avail. If you want to try and take it up again, ill support your edits, but be prepared for some difficulty. Thanks. Bonewah (talk) 14:14, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Sorry about that accidental deletion on the Christiane Northrop talk page

I don't know how I managed to do that. I also don't know why your correspondent insists on ignoring the rationale you have offered and instead imputing to you motives that you have not expressed. Good luck. -- Jibal (talk) 17:06, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

@Jibal: Thanks, no problem. I think I correctly restored the discussion, feel free to check and make sure I didn't accidently clip anything of yours when I restored. --Animalparty! (talk) 17:12, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorry

I didn’t spot that we were on the Michael Brake page. The risks of mobile editing, I suppose. Wouldn’t have happened on a computer. Schwede 66 17:34, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

@Schwede66: Thanks. No worries. Enjoy your day. --Animalparty! (talk) 17:37, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

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Professional editor?

While I don't disagree with the substance this edit, your edit summary suggests you are a professional editor. Does WP:PAID apply or was this a poor choice of words? Toddst1 (talk) 06:18, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

@Toddst1: No, I have never been paid for a single edit. I am not a professional writer, but I stand by my words. I have however taken high school and college courses in composition, and know what is bad writing and what is good writing. I have also read many encyclopedias in my time, and know how encyclopedic writing should look. Cheers, --Animalparty! (talk) 06:26, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Got it. Have a good weekend. Toddst1 (talk) 06:30, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Journal article protection

Hi Animalparty! I noticed your comment regarding the protection of several journal articles on JzG's talk page. Currently he isn't editing - I'll give it a week to see if he returns, as I think he should have first call, but if he isn't back I'll remove the protection. - Bilby (talk) 00:35, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

@Bilby: Thanks for the notice. Cheers, --Animalparty! (talk) 21:07, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Respectful Insolence

In regard to your edits on Michael Klaper, Respectful Insolence is used on other BLPs as a source. I am leaning towards removing it on BLPs but it is seen as a reliable source by many. I think we should remove it on the BLPs but leave it on other articles like germ theory denialism. What do you think about that? Psychologist Guy (talk) 10:25, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

@Psychologist Guy: I agree it should be removed from other BLPs, and assessed case-by-case basis in other articles, mindful of WP:PROPORTION, WP:WEIGHT, etc. For instance, even if Gorksi and Novella have written a lot (freely available online) on the topic of germ theory denialism, name dropping them in prose seems unwarranted, and citing them instead of more scholarly sources would be sub-optimal. --Animalparty! (talk) 18:42, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Jacquelyn Reingold

What do you mean by "to avoid ghettoization in gender-exclusive categories"? SL93 (talk) 20:09, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

@SL93: See WP:GHETTO (part of Wikipedia:Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality), as well WP:DUPCAT and the templates at the top of Category:American women screenwriters, etc. People can be placed into gender-specific categories, but should generally not be exclusively in them. --Animalparty! (talk) 20:18, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

I will keep that in mind. Diffusing, non-diffusing, subcategories, etc...I never did like adding categories to articles even though I understand the need. SL93 (talk) 20:26, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Carl Oglesby

Thanks for cropping the photo of Carl Oglesby, it looks much better! Neighborhood Review (talk) 22:09, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Discriminating verbal attacks are NOT opinions.

Just letting you know, after you said "everyone is entitled to their own opinions." Lostfan333 (talk) 17:50, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Millipedes

Animalparty, thank you for you all your great invertebrate, arthropod, and millipede contributions! Aggyrolemnoixytes (talk) 15:38, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

@Aggyrolemnoixytes: Thanks for the kind words! Cheers, --Animalparty! (talk) 01:52, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

File:Rafter Romance (1933) still 1.jpg
File:Mort Mills and Paul Newman (Torn Curtain).jpg

Hello Animalparty, Can you please do a cropped version of this files to only show the images of American actor and director Norman Foster and American actor Mort Mills (just crop to show the entire left side of both images).— Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.188.212.86 (talk) 04:52, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

ANI - User 47.157.129.133

You may want to contribute to the ANI discussion about user 47.157.129.133 since you were previously involved in the user's talk page with warnings or notices. 2603:8000:A501:9B00:4425:751C:D9BD:7885 (talk) 04:58, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Harry Lambert (journalist) page

Hi Animalparty. This page had five more sources justifying its existence prior to an anonymous attack in early September 2021.

Those users cut relevant secondary sources and then added unsourced statements about the subject, until they were removed by an editor under WP:V.

As WP:BLP says, "Articles should document in a non-partisan manner what reliable secondary sources have published about the subjects."

The justification for this entry was based on the relevance given the subject by these sources. e.g. A piece by BBC Media Editor Amol Rajan named the subject's work as among their top five pieces of the year.^[1]

The subject's parenting has also been made central to the entry by said anonymous users, but it is not clear why – per WP:BLP: "exercise restraint and include only material relevant to the person's notability, focusing on high-quality secondary sources... the presumption in favor of privacy is strong in the case of family members of articles' subjects."

The subject writes cover stories for the New Statesman, in the course of which he landed the first global interview with Yanis Varoufakis in 2015, re-reported globally, eg in NY Times^[2]. More recently the subject was the first to interview in print Bank of England Governor Andrew Bailey^[3] and BBC Director General Tim Davie^[4]. Labour leader Keir Starmer was also recently interviewed by the subject.^[5]

The sources you mention here and that are currently or previously used in the article Harry Lambert (journalist) are predominantly passing mentions, primary sources (written by the author), affiliated sources (written by the subject's employer) or self-published sources (tweets, personal blogs). The fact that one BBC editor thought one of Lambert's pieces was commendable is insufficient on its own to demonstrate notability. If the subject has not received significant, non-trivial coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the subject, then it is likely too soon for the subject to be have a stand-alone encyclopedia article, per the General Notability Guideline and Notability guidelines for people. --Animalparty! (talk) 23:10, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

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Hi Animalparty, good to see you around. Your point here is well taken, and I've made some stabs at reducing reliance on Hauptman. However it's hard since Laurence M. Hauptman is probably by a good measure the expert on the topic. What do you think about the article now? Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:06, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

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In Australia such a creature has been found at a depth of 60 meter in a drilling hole with 1306. (earlier record was 750) The article has a star and I'm not a real Wikipedian. 83.250.73.248 (talk) 12:28, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Eumillipes

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Paul D. Thacker

Thanks for all your work on the article. Rest easy knowing it's noticed and appreciated. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:36, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

@ScottishFinnishRadish: Thanks for the kind words. There's still work to be done! --Animalparty! (talk) 00:38, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

There always is! ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:39, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Gertrude Webster

I am curious as to why you removed G.E.Linds from the name of the cactus on the page for Gertrude Webster? I thought that was the appropriate way to end a botanical name when indicating the author. DaffodilOcean (talk) 20:18, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

@DaffodilOcean: It is the formal way to denote the full scientific name, but is not necessary in non-specialist prose. And it is redundant since the author (George Edmund Lindsay) is named in the preceding sentence. In any case, the author name should not in bold, except perhaps on the author's own article, per MOS:BOLD. Cheers, --Animalparty! (talk) 20:23, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the clarification. DaffodilOcean (talk) 20:29, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

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Rejuvenate WikiProject Skepticism

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Secrets of the Psychics

Thanks for your assistance with this article. Unfortunately, the NY Times says I have reached my limit of reading so I can't see their article any more. So I can't look for how I might have misrepresented it or how to remedy it... can you be more specific? Also, I was disappointed that you thought the interview with Randi where he talked about his motivation was not worthy of inclusion. I thought it was pertinent, so I would be interested in your reasoning why you feel differently.--Gronk Oz (talk) 04:51, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

A little trick you can use to see the article, other than just trying to view it at archive.org, is to load the page and immediately press CTRL-A then CTRL-C, and then paste into notepad. If you're quick enough you can select all and copy before the bother box pops up, then paste the entire article to be read at your leisure. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 09:24, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Gronk Oz you can read all NYT articles after 1980 through Gale using the Wikipedia Library. There's no images but they do include the full text. Just yesterday I read an interesting piece on how teachers are dealing with the pandemic in the US. Hope this helps :) A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 09:32, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

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Hello! I have noticed that you made a slight revision to an article I'm editing as part of a university assessment, Peter Nicol Russell. Would you be interested in providing some pointers to how I can improve the article more? It would be amazing to get your evident wealth of experience editing Wikipedia. Thanks in advance! Chasseur99 (talk) 07:32, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

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Cain and Serenade

I do not disagree with you that my summary is long. I had the same response with editors on B. Traven's The Treasure of the Sierra Madre. The "long plot" notice has been up over 3 years, with no significant effort to revise the summary. If you have read Traven's novel, your will see that it would be difficult to abbreviate the plot summary without doing injustice to the story. Same is true of Cain's Serenade.

I do not believe that the existing plot summary has any deficiencies in terms of "Readability", do you? My approach in writing the summary was to favor this aspect, and not an arbitrary limit in terms of kilobytes. At all events, I don't see how the summary can be shortened without reducing it to merely a "thumbnail" sketch. The notice will remain, but I think its a distraction when readers visit the article. What say you? --CerroFerro (talk) 17:33, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

@CerroFerro: Excessive length is a hinderance to readability, especially in an encyclopedia that should summarize, not teach or present the work. I'm not very active in literary articles, but a thumbnail sketch is probably fine: if it's too long, people won't bother to read it, so why even make an article? There is lots of extraneous fluff that can be excised from both articles, from filler like "To Dobbs' dismay..." and "As night falls..." to entire paragraphs. I'd say minimize details, don't try to capture the literary tone of the source. Focus on large scale plot points (for instance a paragraph or two at most summarizing each chapter or major element): minor elements and characters can be mentioned or elaborated in reception or analysis sections on an as-needed basis. Wikipedia:How to write a plot summary has some examples, and this website has a brief summary of Serenade. You you might look to summaries of the works in literary journals or other encyclopedias, CliffsNotes, etc. or Wikipedia plot summaries in Odyssey, The Lord of the Rings, War and Peace , as models to help pare down unessential elements (Featured-Article and Good-Article Class novels will probably have some of the best examples to follow). Cheers, --Animalparty! (talk) 00:09, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Animalparty - Thank you for your comments. I don't disagree with you on several points, but I contest a couple things. Your "why make an article?" is unfounded. I have also included well-sourced sections on Critical Analysis, Publication background, Style/Theme and Film Adaptions. As to any effort on my part to "capture the literary tone" of the article is puzzling. You simply have to read a few pages of the novels by Cain to see just how unwarranted that remark is. I have my own objective approach to writing summaries that I hope are literate, but never in the style of the author ; it's simply impossible with a writer like Cain, or B. Traven for that matter. Perhaps an interested editor can remove any "filler" I've introduced without, however, violating the story line as it was written. I shall, in future, do my best to keep the summary length to a minimum. --CerroFerro (talk) 19:33, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I started a new RFC on list of minority governors on the talk page.

Hello I started a new talk page on the RFC, since you are a regular there I was wondering if you could contribute your opinions to it. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8807:C80B:2D00:44D9:A6D5:9499:B1E7 (talk) 02:04, 8 May 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8807:C80B:2D00:4812:C99C:7BAD:92EE (talk)

On William P. Gottlieb You Removed that He Left His Work To the Public

For the article on William P. Gottlieb you took off a (cited, so presumably true) comment that Mr. G. left his photos to the public for free use. It seems to me that's relevant, it has to do with his enduring place in cultural history. Why not take out that he went to Leigh University or that the Canadian Film Board gave him an award for his filmstrips. And heck, worth noting that it could be especially relevant to readers of this encyclopedia, one of whose pillars is free use of info. So I think you should put it back. If you want change the section title from "Legacy" to "Photos in Public Domain" or just put the info about public domain into his bio, great. You could even write back to me and say "OK, hotshot, you put it back" and I will. But your edit reduces what people can easily know about Gottlieb and that seems to be not helpful to other readers. HighAtop94 (talk) 01:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

OK, I was bold and put back that mention that he left his photos in the public domain. Not intending to undermine you or anything, presumably you spend less time thinking about William Gottlieb's Wikipedia page than I do. What do you do with all that free time? HighAtop94 (talk) 12:22, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Ladislaja Harnoncourt

We had already a discussion about the "notability" of Ladislaja Harnoncourt (in the DYK nomination). Sure she would probably not have an article if she didn't have these prominent children, and not many "independent sources" were written at her time about women who raised children. However, the alternative to have the details of her life in all biographies of children she raised - four of seven covered already in articles - seems not a good alternative. I'm not arguing that she was from highest nobility (but she was). I don't like article tags, very generally so, as discrediting our content. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:20, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: What details of her life? That she was a good singer and a nurse? That could easily be mentioned in any biography of independently notable kin. I don't think lowering standards is a good way to improve representation of women on Wikipedia. The only person who appears to have written about the subject in any depth (and it doesn't appear to be much) is her own son Nikolaus. --Animalparty! (talk) 06:36, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Her son wrote about her not in private letters, but a published book. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:44, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

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Page Mention, NPR, trivial

I don't care deeply, but just a small point that the citation I added and you deleted...it's not the mention on the page that is the thing here, it's the discussion on the linked interview. It is still a bit brief. The interviewee mentions they are reading a few books, how those books make them feel, think, then lists them. So it's up for debate how to interpret that, I think. I interpret the proceeding paragraphs to be about the book. But I don't really care. I just don't want you to think it's just the passing mention in writing that I was citing. CT55555 (talk) 16:23, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

@CT55555: I listened to that full extended interview, and unless I misheard, Page goes into varying levels of details on several books/authors, but only mentions the title Intelligence in Nature once by name at the end, without any elaboration. I don't think it's encyclopedic to include "actor Elliot Page read this book and liked it" in any article except perhaps Page's. If Page was a renowned book critic, and listed it in a top 10-list (with or without additional commentary), or actually got around to adapting it, that might be a different story. But that a notable person might like a book isn't on itself grounds for inclusion or citing. Cheers! --Animalparty! (talk) 02:36, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, that's fair. I listened to it again more carefully a few times over and you are correct. CT55555 (talk) 04:19, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

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Since then, the news has not been so good. The backlog is basically flat, hovering around 14,200. I wish I could report the number of reviews done and the number of new articles added to the queue. But the available statistics we have are woefully inadequate. The only real number we have is the net queue size.^[b]

In the last 30 days, the top 100 reviewers have all made more than 16 patrols (up from 8 last month), and about 70 have averaged one review a day (up from 50 last month).

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Death date

Thanks for adding the death date to Arthur Samuel Garretson. I had so much trouble trying to find that information. SL93 (talk) 15:44, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

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A cup of coffee for you!

Thanks for the help on Bert Longfellow! --evrik ^(talk) 16:12, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

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Fernandez image

I'd like to briefly explain why I reverted you about the image that you restored. There's a very long and ugly history of sockpuppetry and block evasion, and the socks are using the page as a WP:NOTWEBHOST. This really is something that falls squarely under WP:BANREVERT. I know you restored it in good faith, so I wanted to explain. If you want me to provide more details, please ask. Thanks. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:48, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

This should probably be discussed on the article talk page, not here. Others may wish to offer an opinion. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:52, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

October 2022 New Pages Patrol backlog drive

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(t · c) buidhe 21:16, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

WP no forum, no anarchy

Didn't know that, so...But if you ( "you", admins, editors, whatever) are really serious about writing/ building an encyclopedia: throw out 999 per 1.000 articles on pop- music and 9.999 of 10.000 articles on sport- persons. No serious encyclodedia has that many articles (in %) about, in effect, nonsense. The recent death of Kripke, a world- class philosopher was not noted on the main page, but that of x obscure non- entities. I, personally, like the entries on Rock-music, and would miss them, also don't mind boring non- entities too much; but I also do not think WP should or could be a Brockhaus.--Ralfdetlef (talk) 15:09, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

@Ralfdetlef: I'm not really sure why you directed this comment to me (I'm not at an admin). But I do think the ratio of articles to competent editors is getting worse over time. As for Kripke, it looks like his article and recent death notice has been nominated to appear on the main page, but needs a bit of cleanup first: see Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#Saul_Kripke. Cheers, --Animalparty! (talk) 17:21, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

OK, so there must have been a misunderstanding. I came back to Wikipedia, because I read a very nasty comment on it - by a rightwinger, I guess, which I found highly unfair. But: nearly all the people I knew and worked with (mostly on German Wikipedia) are gone. And those were good people. I guess, some just got older, etc. And so on and so forth. Thanks and See You!--Ralfdetlef (talk) 18:28, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Happy Thirteenth First Edit Day!

Hey, Animalparty. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee!
Have a great day! Chris Troutman (talk) 12:29, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Lafayette Cartee Assessmant

You recently assessed new Lafayette Cartee article as class. What do I need to do to get this article up a ? According to Wikipedia:Content assessment page, articles are "substantial but is still missing important content … Considerable editing is needed to close gaps in content and solve cleanup problems." I thought the article was pretty comprehensive, but I’m willing to spending time improving it. Just so I'm not spinning my wheels, can you give me some insight as to where it needs help. Also, according to WikiProcect Oregon assessment guide, under green People bar it says: "State-level politicians … should remain in the Low category unless they served in multiple places … , or had a leadership role in their branch (Chief Justice, Speaker of the House, etc.) then up to Mid." Since Cartee was Speaker of the Oregon House of Representatives, it appears his article should be given "Middle" importance rating. Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 05:05, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022

Hello Animalparty,

Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to MPGuy2824), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to John B123 for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also.

Software news: Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved.

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Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!

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[2] ttps://www.nytimes.com/live/greek-debt-crisis-live-updates/varoufakis-we-were-set-up/

[3] ttps://www.newstatesman.com/business/economics/2020/07/adults-room

[4] ttps://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2021/02/bbc-and-battle-truth

[5] ttps://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2021/09/labour-s-lost-future-inside-story-20-year-collapse

[6] t including another ~6,000 redirects

[7] The number of weekly reviews reported in the NPP feed includes redirects, which are not included in the backlog we primarily track.

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