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Stink Mitt

  • 18:29, 18 June 2011 Joe Decker (talk | contribs) deleted page Stink Mitt (Expired PROD, concern was: Notability concerns)

Wondering if things have changed in the years since which ,might qualify the article for undeletion.

One of their songs "Jail Bait", was performed in the 2013 premiere of Lost Girl (season 3) which gave it a lot of exposure.

Listed at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2135718/soundtrack

A brief clip of the show where the song is played: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNvvWBeS4DA

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Even in 2010 they were also covered in the news as an underground performer: http://torontoist.com/2010/05/will_munro_by_bruce_labruce/

Also talked about as early as 2005 in Fuse Magazine: https://books.google.ca/books?id=IQwxAQAAIAAJ&q=%22Stink+Mitt%22&dq=%22Stink+Mitt%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDcQ6AEwBWoVChMIwa-eo8vJxgIVUy6ICh3EkQP7

The group is also referenced on Robert Morfitt's article who did their videos.

The 2013 book "Army of Lovers" lists them as among the more memorable queer acts: https://books.google.ca/books?id=8UGqAAAAQBAJ&pg=PT70&dq=%22Stink+Mitt%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAWoVChMIwa-eo8vJxgIVUy6ICh3EkQP7#v=onepage&q=%22Stink%20Mitt%22&f=false

They are also mentioned in the 2014 book Fork in the Left, Knife in the Back: https://books.google.ca/books?id=mdG1AwAAQBAJ&pg=PT103&dq=%22Stink+Mitt%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAGoVChMIwa-eo8vJxgIVUy6ICh3EkQP7#v=onepage&q=%22Stink%20Mitt%22&f=false

I guess the main thing is that the exposure and popularity of Lost Girl seems to establish some notability for the band. 174.92.134.248 (talk) 18:01, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

HI,
First, my apologies for the delay in getting back to you.
So, here's the deal. The article, as a proposed deletion is eligible to be restored on request. What will likely happen if I do that is that someone will ask for it to be considered for deletion using the WP:AFD, "articles for deletion" process, and what you've presented so far probably won't be enough to qualify the article to stay. The basic threshold we need to meet for sources is the general notability guideline, which is unfortunately full of words being used in specific-to-Wikipedia senses. I made an attempt to make a more accessible presentation of the requirement at one point at User:Joe Decker/IsThisNotable. Basically we need to sources, but each has to be reliable (IMDB isn't considered so), has to provide signficant coverage (think a couple paragraphs or so), not be routine concern announcements or the like, and so on. So, your call, but if you have more in the way of sources, or can get some assistance at WikiProject Music (google should provide) for sources that would meet those requirements, it might be wiser to start there before asking me to restore. Best of luck either way! --j⚛e deckertalk 17:39, 15 July 2015 (UTC)


John Banks Elliott

Dear Joe Decker, Can you please help resolve a problem with wiki/User:NeilN who thinks the article about the Ambassador is not my own and I have no right to access it. He has sent me a warning about violating the three-revert rule on John Banks Elliott of which I do not understand. I did extend the article as it is time it was completed in a befitting manner. Please have a look, as NeilN is trying to bring up things that have already been discussed and closed. Thank you, kind regards,Dorothyelliott (talk) 22:57, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Dorothy,
I"m away at the moment and won't be able to provide a lot of assistance, a certain amount of back and forth is part of our process here, I do understand that it's frustrating. I think fro the moment my best suggestion is to ask for assistance at the WP:Teahouse. I see that NeilN has some concerns about whether particular claims are neutral and sourced, and that is something that an uninvolved opinion might be helpful with. Sorry I can't be of help at the moment! --j⚛e deckertalk 17:43, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Request to bring back page for host Oliver Trevena

Hello, I am proposing we bring back the page for actor and TV host Oliver Trevena. Before when his page was up the show Young Hollywood was not a national show and was only a web series. Oliver had only been in a few short films. http://www.younghollywood.com/videos/yhstudio/2015/bean-performs-wildfire-live-and-discusses-her-writing-process.html There are hundreds of videos on YoungHollywood.com of Oliver hosting the show and interviewing celebrities. Episodes are starting to get added to his IMDB now each week. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3165541/ I would suggest the page look something like this;

Oliver Trevena is best known for for regularly hosting the celebrity chat show Young Hollywood. He was born and raised in East Sussex, England and is the youngest of four sons. Oliver trained at the South East Theatre Society & RADA. In his early acting days, he starred in William Shakespeare's "A Midsummer Night's Dream". Later, he starred in a variety of plays, including "The King and I", "Bugsy Malone" and even "Oliver". He has since starred in movies like, The Long Road (2008), Ready? OK!(2008) and TV appearances in The Good Guys, Leverage, The Forgotten and How to Rock. He was engaged to Laura Vandervoort for over a year. He has his own luxury luggage line with S.Mkellar and is a brand ambassador for Allsaints clothing. He is a spokesman for the non-profit organization Not For Sale and R.I.S.E. & Stand Inc.

Links: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3165541/ http://olivertrevena.com/ http://www.presspassla.com/oliver-trevena-young-hollywoods-rising-star/ http://www.starsightings.com/Oliver-Trevena/ http://www.ok.co.uk/celebrity-news/laura-vandervoot-oliver-trevena-call-off-engagement http://www.gettyimages.com/photos/oliver%20trevena http://www.laughfactory.com/OliverTrevena http://truthandiliza.com/archives/305 http://rjwilliamsonline.com/tag/oliver-trevena/

I can find more links if needed. KatrinaMcCaffery (talk) 01:31, 21 July 2015 (UTC)KatrinaMcCaffery

Hi Katrina,
Our inclusion criteria for people, WP:BASIC, requires more than a few web links, it requires links which are reliable (e.g., from journalists and an organization with a reputation for fact-checking), independent (interviews, pages from the fellow himself or people he's working with don't count), and in-depth (individual photos at Getty, etc., don't count.) Based on my experience, I don't believe that the sources you've provided here meet that criteria. You are welcome to appeal my decision at WP:DRV.
You may also take a look at User:Joe Decker/IsThisNotable. I'm still working on refining it, but my hope is to provide a more step-by-step (if still not simple) approach to explaining what we need in terms of demonstrating notability. I hope that it will be helpful.
Best of luck, --j⚛e deckertalk 16:15, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Request on 19:16:50, 22 July 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Paulsoubry


Hi there, I am attempting to create a wiki page for Paul Soubry. The content that you are citing as copyrighted is actually content that I have written for Mr Soubry as his marketing manager at New Flyer. How can I get it approved? or do I need to create all new content for this page.

thanks, Jody Stadnyk, Marketing Manager New Flyer.



Paulsoubry (talk) 19:16, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining. Since the work was done for hire, you are not the owner of the copyright of the material, and in any case, we'd need a license to use it. When you go to edit here, did you notice, or do you now notice, the text which says " you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL with the understanding that a hyperlink or URL is sufficient for CC BY-SA 3.0 attribution"? That's an agreement than only the owner of the copyright can make. If the owner of the copyright of the text would like to do so, instructions for doing so are at WP:Donating copyrighted materials.
However, do note that such material is usually not suitable for inclusion in any case, as it's rarely written in an entirely arm's length manner. Generally, it's best to actually start by finding material which is written independently in journalistic sources about the subject, and to summarize (not copy) what they talk about, what they emphasize, and so on.
I realize we're a pretty opaque bureaucracy around here, and that that can be frustrating. I would recommend reading WP:Your first article, and WP:PSCOI. You may also find the WP:Teahouse a great place to ask questions as a new editor here. Best of luck. --j⚛e deckertalk 20:03, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:The Jubilee Project

Hello, Joe Decker. It has been over six months since you last edited your WP:AFC draft article submission, entitled "The Jubilee Project".

The page will shortly be deleted. If you plan on editing the page to address the issues raised when it was declined and resubmit it, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}} or {{db-g13}} code. Please note that Articles for Creation is not for indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you want to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at WP:REFUND/G13. An administrator will in most cases undelete the submission.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. HasteurBot (talk) 14:00, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Not mine, just something I probably tried to clean up for another editor some months back. No concerns. --j⚛e deckertalk 19:33, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Traditional Britain Group (2nd nomination)

In regards to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Traditional Britain Group (2nd nomination), in Britain, or, in the United Kingdom, "Searchlight" ("The Searchlight magazine") are a far-left non-membership-based Trotskyist (non-aligned) (or, "anti-fascist", as they would like to call themselves and the magazine that they publish) political organisation, founded in 1975 and refounded in 2011 by Gerry and Sonia Gable, and whose main purpose is to publish the far-left general-Trotskyite otherwise-fringe political magazine under the same name, which focuses upon exposing the British Far Right, as they would see it, real or otherwise. It certainly cannot be reliably used for a test of a subject's general (rather than specific political) notability for the purpose of Wikipedia, outside of the myopic and very specialist anti-far-right sole obsession, real or imagined, of the British far-left. -- Urquhartnite (talk) 09:00, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Good to know. Doesn't appear to be an issue in any case, as even if it were such a source it wasn't sufficient for notability. --j⚛e deckertalk 19:33, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

WP:PRD, John S. Hagmann

I'm nominating this for deletion. A google search turned up nothing that indicates notoriety. I fell onto this researching another John Hagmann currently in the news for all the wrong reasons! You were the last significant editor of this Hagmann page, and I also saw that you are active @ AfD. I've never put a link in a title before, but it seems efficient. Is it kosher? Regards Tapered (talk) 01:24, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

PS I don't think that his association with the very notable Stern, and one cite of it, is sufficient for WP:N. Tapered (talk) 01:27, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
No concerns, I added a reference during a very frenetic attempt to dig through and find more seriously problematic unsourced BLPs (and add at least *something* in the way of a source to those that aren't. I suspect this guy exists and that this isn't an attack piece, but he may very well not be notable. Thanks for the notification. --j⚛e deckertalk 07:17, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
@Tapered: If this gets deleted, I'd suggest a redirect to Robert_A._M._Stern#Career --j⚛e deckertalk 20:10, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good. Tapered (t::::alk) 00:48, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Cool, I made the redirect. --j⚛e deckertalk 19:36, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Calito Soul AFD

The Spanish article hasn't been deleted: es:Calito Soul, someone just made a spelling mistake when linking it to the AFD. Not that it should matter much, I doubt anyone would speedy renominate, but just letting you know in case they do and if it affected how you interpreted the consensus. Cheers, Vrac (talk) 20:01, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

I've reverted myself, and will reconsider, or leave it to the next closer to come along. Thanks for the clue bat!  :) --j⚛e deckertalk 20:03, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

The Night Runners

Hi I recently wanted to work on this page and saw it had been deleted for poor notability and references. I believe I have the proper references and am requesting if I may submit some changes to the page and see if it gets accepted. Thank you so very much for your time and will be here patiently waiting for your response at your earliest convenience. Vlolv (talk) 04:00, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi, thanks ... really the key step is showing me the references. I'll give my opinion when I see them as to whether they're sufficient to override the previous community consensus, and if they are, I'll restore. If not, I'll show you how you can appeal my decision. Fair?
I do realize that newer editors at Wikipedia often find it difficult to make rhyme or reasons of our notability requirements. You may also take a look at User:Joe Decker/IsThisNotable. I'm still working on refining it, but my hope is to provide a more step-by-step (if still not simple) approach to explaining what we need in terms of demonstrating notability. As the topic is a band, you will also wish to be aware that routine announcements are generally not considered toward this standard. I look forward to your reply. --j⚛e deckertalk 06:05, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your reply, I have gathered my references and will list them here for you. Let me know where to go from there if there is a place to go from there. Again thank you so very much for your time.


Before they were The night runners they were illusion confusion and made it to top 16 on XFactor USA [1]

judges houses video 8.84 million viewers as illusion confusion on judges house 2 episode of xfactor usa 2011 [2]

A review about the judges houses performance [3]

Another article about X-Factor

[4]


Reviewed by popular Music Critic Any Kellman of www.allmusic.com [5]


Reviewed by popular website emertainmentmonthy [6]

Reviewed by top40-charts.com [7]


Featured on metroweekly for their inclusion in the capital pride festival where they played alongside Carly Rae Jepson [8]


The Festival had 250,000 attendees [9]


They Have a Bio Page on MTV [10]


Deco Drive Interview [11]


Notable Review [12]


Notable Review [13]


PR news wire press release [14]


Wall Street Journal press release [15]


National anthem at heat game American Airlines Arena [16]


CNN Latino Interview [17]

  1. ^ "Judges House 2 Video". X Factor USA. Retrieved 29 July 2015.
  2. ^ "8.84 Million Viewers". U.S. Nielsen Ratings. Retrieved 29 July 2015.
  3. ^ "Illusion Confusion – Let's Dance – The X Factor Judges Houses". Rickey.Org. Retrieved 29 July 2015.
  4. ^ . Miami New Times x-factors-five-biggest-surprises http://www.miaminewtimes.com/music/x-factors-five-biggest-surprises-and-serious-questions-from-last-nights-episode-6480945= x-factors-five-biggest-surprises. Retrieved 29 July 2015. {{cite web}}: Check |url= value (help); Missing or empty |title= (help)
  5. ^ "Andy Kellman Review". www.allmusic.com. Retrieved 29 July 2015.
  6. ^ "The Night Runners Debut With "Single"". Emertainmentmonthly. Retrieved 29 July 2015.
  7. ^ "Pop Music Group, The Night Runners, Debut Their Free Self-Titled Album!". Retrieved 29 July 2015. {{cite web}}: Text "top40-charts.com/" ignored (help)
  8. ^ "2015 Capital Pride Festival: Capitol Stage Lineup". Doug Rule. Retrieved 29 July 2015.
  9. ^ "2015 Pride in the Nation's Capital a Huge Success". CapitalPride.org. Retrieved 29 July 2015.
  10. ^ "MTV Artist Profile". Retrieved 29 July 2015.
  11. ^ "Deco Drive Interview". Deco Drive. Retrieved 29 July 2015.
  12. ^ "SINGLE (OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO)". A.L. Roberts. Retrieved 29 July 2015. {{cite web}}: Text "THE NIGHT RUNNERS" ignored (help)
  13. ^ "beats-bass-singles-and-beaches". 2djs1violin.com. Retrieved 29 July 2015.
  14. ^ "Pop Music Group, The Night Runners, Debut Their Free Self-Titled Album at www.TheNightRunnersMusic.com". bizjournals.com/. Retrieved 29 July 2015.
  15. ^ "Press Release". Wall Street Journam. Retrieved 29 July 2015.
  16. ^ "National Anthem at American Airlines Arena". Retrieved 29 July 2015.
  17. ^ "CNN Latino Interview". CNN Latino. Retrieved 29 July 2015.


Hi. I will be working through that list when I get a chance, and crossing off the ones that should have been excluded, see the essay I linked. --j⚛e deckertalk 18:08, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Any update on this? Vlolv (talk) 21:28, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
Hi. Yes I would like to know where do I go from here? Do I attempt a draft with those references are they good enough? Vlolv (talk) 22:54, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Don't bother. This is a sock of User:Mason8252, who has attempted to repost this article numerous times with the same insufficient references. NawlinWiki (talk) 18:35, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks -- I had been hoping to look through today... the morass of Youtube links and press releases identified as press releases made me doubt there was any meat underneath. You just saved me a lot of trouble, most appreciated! --j⚛e deckertalk 19:35, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
    Well, it's at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 August 4 now. I hadn't looked at the requestor's contribs before tagging the AFD and coming here to inform you. —Cryptic 00:11, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
Interesting. Thanks for the note! --j⚛e deckertalk 00:16, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Redirect: Rahul Verma (activist) to Rahul Verma

Rahul Verma is protected from creation, so only administrators can create it. I have noticed that article “Rahul Verma” was deleted 5 times in last so many years, but it was never related to Rahul Verma (activist). Since the name is available and only admin can create it. Please see if it can be unprotected and redirected i.e Rahul Verma (activist) to Rahul Verma. Thanks Shibanihk (talk) 11:23, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Sounds good, looks like FreeRangeFrog got to it already, but let me know if I can be of more help. --j⚛e deckertalk 19:31, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, grateful. Rgds Shibanihk (talk) 01:41, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Hey, Joe, where you goin' with that gun in your hand?

Hey, Joe. Can you delete redirect page Center (American and Canadian football), so that I might move Center (gridiron football) to that title? The renaming would be consistent with the other disambiguated article titles for all other American/Canadian football player positions: [Category:American football positions]. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:21, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

 Done Cheers, --j⚛e deckertalk 18:32, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, mate. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:45, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Request on 18:50:01, 7 August 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by ArtistInWordyThings


<!Thank you very much for reviewing my submission request earlier today.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/NodaxTM>

I am sorry to have wasted your time and not included the body of the resubmitted article. I have now posted it with some interim revisions and citations. Again, thank you for your guidance and expertise. ArtistInWordyThings (talk) 18:50, 7 August 2015 (UTC) >


ArtistInWordyThings (talk) 18:50, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! I expect someone will be by to provide a second review shortly. Cheers, --j⚛e deckertalk 03:08, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind note re the Teahouse!

Thank you Joe for the link to the resources for new editors! Actually I'm an "occasional" contributor who still has much to learn. As an example in 2006 I dredged up big chunks of minutiae about the history of Ashfield NSW but left it on the Talk page because it would have pulled the article out of balance...

In regard to the most recent edits, I do understand that the "Jumpdrive" and "XO" topics do not yet have sufficient arm's length references. If the game gets 4 or 5 independent sources covering it (in a central way, not just a mention) I will fix and resubmit it in a year or so. Meanwhile I may visit the Teahouse to discuss a topic I am pondering about Albert Aramburu, whose name was given to an island in Richardson Bay:

http://richardsonbay.audubon.org/aramburu-island http://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Richardson-Bay-atoll-renovated-as-nature-preserve-2436440.php

... There aren't many electronic third party sources about the guy because his career (ending as head of the California Conservation Corps) was mostly pre internet. But from the topics you linked, it seems that I can refer to (reputable) California newspapers for the purpose of notability. So I can still do this one; it will just take more work! Anyway, thank you again! Juliannechat (talk) 17:24, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind note!
With respect to Jumpdrive, that may be the best answer, but you may also try the VideoGames wikiproject and leave a note, there are some folks there who may know of offline sources that are relevant, or specialist sources that I wouldn't know about as a generalist.
With respect to Aramburu -- I do want to emphasize that offline sources are fine. Harder to find, for sure, but they're certainly allowed. I did take a look at a couple of periodical databases I have access to (Highbeam, NYT archives, not that I would have expected the latter to find anything) and didn't find quite enough, but I'm more than willing to believe that there's stuff out there. What I am seeing is mostly about the island, consider, if there's not enough for a biography, seeing if there's enough for an article on the island, which would provide a mention of Al, and we could create a redirect to the island. This is a pretty common sort of refactoring we do when dealing with people who end up largely being known for one thing, but .. again, offline sources could entirely save the day as well.
Sorry for the slow response! Cheers, --j⚛e deckertalk 03:20, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Doug Batchelor

Hi. And thanks for finally closing that article. However, in your closing remarks, you say, "... I would recommend that any newer participants opining for deletion ...." Excuse my presumptiveness, but don't you mean "participants opining for keeping"? Onel5969 TT me 14:27, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

You are correct, indeed. :) Mea culpa, and thanks for the note! --j⚛e deckertalk 15:59, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Philosophy of Chiropractic

Can you userfy the page and talk page for me? There are some sources but most likely I would restore this as a redirect with history intact per WP:PRESERVE. Valoem talk contrib 05:53, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

 Done --j⚛e deckertalk 17:26, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

I noticed Doug Batchelor posted above. Ill take the page plus talk page as well. I notice there are some reliable sources, many criticizing his creationist beliefs. I may work on it, but am interested in seeing what condition the article was in. Valoem talk contrib 06:09, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

 Done, best of luck, @Valoem:! --j⚛e deckertalk 17:28, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Janet Emerson Bashen

Hi there,

I've recently come across the Janet Emerson Bashen article. I attempted to improve it by updating the references and removing some of the unnecessary ramblings, but I could not find any secondary sources to support its notability per WP:BASIC. As such, I plan on proposing the article for deletion once again. Seeing as you were the admin who closed the previous discussion as no consensus (see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Janet Emerson Bashen), I felt that you should be notified. Given that it has been nearly a year since the previous deletion discussion, do you think it should be handled through a deletion review, or simply be proposed again? I plan on notifying all editors heavily involved in the article when/if the deletion is proposed. Thanks. Greedo8 04:54, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi, @Greedo8:. I'd definitely recommend simply putting it at AfD again. While we don't appreciate, in many cases, renominations right after a previous AfD, it's been more than long enough. Thanks for the note! --j⚛e deckertalk 17:33, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Doug Batchelor

Would you please kindly explain why you moved Doug Batchelor to a user page? This is one of the most significant, influential, and sometimes controversial figures currently within the Seventh-Day Adventist movement, and is way, way, way beyond notable. Yup, article needs much better sourcing, but I don't believe userfication is the correct action here. But of course I may not be seeing the whole picture. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions)

I originally deleted it as a result of closing an AfD discussion. I restored it on request from a user who believes, as you do, that there's enough material to establish notability, but given the deletion closure, but in this case, to override the AfD consensus, Valoem and/or you will have to "show me" that there's enough new evidence to override a community consensus. --j⚛e deckertalk 01:30, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Joseph Hanna

Hi there. I am not sure if this is something you can do, but would it be possible to receive a copy of the page for Joseph Hanna, which I believe you deleted in August of 2014? 208.83.121.42 (talk) 19:42, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Can do, just drop me an email using the "email this user" link at left, and include an email address I can send a copy of the page to. --j⚛e deckertalk 01:40, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

The Surgery Ship - copyright information

Hi, just wondering if you could explain what the copyright infringements are that you cite as a reason not to publish the page on "The Surgery Ship". If you identify them, I can respond. Many thanks, Madeleine — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mhetherton (talk • contribs) 09:16, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

According to the log, it was clearly consistent in wording with [1]. If you are or are associated with the author of that material, you may wish to read WP:Donating copyrighted materials. If I'm mistaken, please do let me know! --j⚛e deckertalk 23:26, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

AJ_Joshi

HI Joe, You recently deleted a page (AJ_Joshi). Please can you re-instate them.! Clintric (talk) 09:36, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

See WP:Articles for deletion/AJ Joshi and WP:REFUND#A.J._Joshi. JohnCD (talk) 17:10, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Please do delete this page : A.J._Joshi and undelete this page AJ_Joshi so that i can re-edit it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clintric (talk • contribs) 19:40, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

No. The community's verdict on this article seems clear, barring further evidence. --j⚛e deckertalk 23:23, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
I should add that you always have WP:DRV as a venue to appeal. --j⚛e deckertalk 20:03, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

How to edit an entry to remove the alerts

Hi Joe

I am writing to you as sometime back you flagged an article as having overly promotional wording.

The message on screen reads: This article contains content that is written like an advertisement. Please help improve it by removing promotional content and inappropriate external links, and by adding encyclopedic content written from a neutral point of view. (September 2014)

Since then I've tried to edit a few times and removed the parts that seemed to me overly promotional. But the message is still there. Is there some way to remove the message? Am I missing something?

Also, there's another message on the page which dates back earlier saying:

This biographical article needs additional citations for verification, as its only attribution is to IMDb. IMDb may not be a reliable source for biographical information. Please help by adding additional, reliable sources for verification. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous or harmful. (January 2013)

If it is possible, I'd be so grateful for your advice on what can be done about this. I did not create the original article but I am interested in cleaning it up as Max is my father-in-law. I know all the details to be correct, having heard them from him directly and from others who worked with him. But there simply isn't anything on the internet that I can link to to verify his TV work. If you have time time, your advice would be very welcome. We do have copies of all the books and I could scan photos in of those if there is someone to send them to and if this would help verify that he did write the books. And some of the bios in the books reference the documentary version that came before some of the books, or the movie that came after, so I could probably provide supporting evidence of some, but not all.

Thank you!

Books64 (talk) 23:12, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

The Surgery Ship - copyright information

Hi, just wondering if you could explain what the copyright infringements are that you cite as a reason not to publish the page on "The Surgery Ship". If you identify them, I can respond. Many thanks, Madeleine — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mhetherton (talk • contribs) 09:16, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

According to the log, it was clearly consistent in wording with [2]. If you are or are associated with the author of that material, you may wish to read WP:Donating copyrighted materials. If I'm mistaken, please do let me know! --j⚛e deckertalk 23:26, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

AJ_Joshi

HI Joe, You recently deleted a page (AJ_Joshi). Please can you re-instate them.! Clintric (talk) 09:36, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

See WP:Articles for deletion/AJ Joshi and WP:REFUND#A.J._Joshi. JohnCD (talk) 17:10, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Please do delete this page : A.J._Joshi and undelete this page AJ_Joshi so that i can re-edit it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clintric (talk • contribs) 19:40, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

No. The community's verdict on this article seems clear, barring further evidence. --j⚛e deckertalk 23:23, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
I should add that you always have WP:DRV as a venue to appeal. --j⚛e deckertalk 20:03, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

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How to edit an entry to remove the alerts

Hi Joe

I am writing to you as sometime back you flagged an article as having overly promotional wording.

The message on screen reads: This article contains content that is written like an advertisement. Please help improve it by removing promotional content and inappropriate external links, and by adding encyclopedic content written from a neutral point of view. (September 2014)

Since then I've tried to edit a few times and removed the parts that seemed to me overly promotional. But the message is still there. Is there some way to remove the message? Am I missing something?

Also, there's another message on the page which dates back earlier saying:

This biographical article needs additional citations for verification, as its only attribution is to IMDb. IMDb may not be a reliable source for biographical information. Please help by adding additional, reliable sources for verification. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous or harmful. (January 2013)

If it is possible, I'd be so grateful for your advice on what can be done about this. I did not create the original article but I am interested in cleaning it up as Max is my father-in-law. I know all the details to be correct, having heard them from him directly and from others who worked with him. But there simply isn't anything on the internet that I can link to to verify his TV work. If you have time time, your advice would be very welcome. We do have copies of all the books and I could scan photos in of those if there is someone to send them to and if this would help verify that he did write the books. And some of the bios in the books reference the documentary version that came before some of the books, or the movie that came after, so I could probably provide supporting evidence of some, but not all.

Thank you!

Books64 (talk) 23:12, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

@Books64: Sorry I haven't replied more quickly.
Generally, if you believe you've addressed the problem, and the tag doesn't indicate otherwise, it's okay to remove it. If someone contests it, then you discuss on the talk page. WP:BRD applies in most circumstances, and might be some helpful guidance.
As for IMDB, yes, it's possible to game IMDB submissions. Generally, we look for reliable sources with strong editorial processes. This not only verifies the information is accurate, but also gives a third-party, neutral grounding in what aspects of a subject warrant coverage, and which don't, in other words, it helps us reduce "spin".
Because you do have a stake in the game, that is, you are related to the subject, you will want to review WP:PSCOI. I am not suggesting you've done anything wrong, just letting you know what your COI policies are. Thank you for noting that. --j⚛e deckertalk 17:56, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

FABRIZIO MOREIRA

hey sorry to come here but you Proposed deletion of Fabrizio Moreira on 2012 i added a couple of well known sources of information from mayor news papers and now we are on 2015 is there a way to remove the tags? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inuevayork (talk • contribs) 00:56, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

I see they're removed, can you tell me what articles you linked to Moreira's biography before removing the orphan tag? --j⚛e deckertalk 21:40, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Menkin

Did you intend to remove your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Menkin, or was it an accident? --Bejnar (talk) 01:35, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Intentional -- they might still be accurate, but I wanted to do a little more due diligence and have been distracted at home. --j⚛e deckertalk 02:01, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks Joe. I appreciate you taking the time to reply. The more I learn about Wikipedia, the more I realize I do not know! Books64 (talk) 01:26, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

You are most welcome! --j⚛e deckertalk 02:57, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

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Why did you delete the Passfeed page？

Hi! Joe Decker. Why did you delete the Passfeed page？ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ealltech11 (talk • contribs) 06:04, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

I judged that that consensus of the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Passfeed was that the article should be deleted, largely for not meeting the notability requirements of WP:CORP. --joe deckertalk 06:30, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Guidance and Advice on creating articles

Hi Joe,

I was hoping you would be able to provide some guidance on the best way to get an article published? I work in the Hedge Fund industry and there is no current page in existence for the company I work for. I am aware of the COI rules and am conscious of the need for neutrality whilst writing.

I have put together some text which contains a number of third party references.

Any guidance would be hugely appreciated.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scorb1 (talk • contribs) 14:26, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Scorb,
In terms of article-writing strategy here, I think the key thing is starting from the right references. What the Wikipedia community is looking for in terms of those is complicated, third-party is definitely part of it, but arm's length third-party is really more like it.
What this means is that the community generally discounts the neutrality of sources that look like press releases (e.g., most things printed in business journals), that look like interviews, and reporting of routine corporate events (hirings, firings, etc.) What's left? Sources that provide a broader arm's-length view of a company. If you can find a couple such articles, that's a great place to start, looking first for the information provided in them (and which parts are emphasized or frequently mentioned), and using that as guidance for the main article content. From there, very routine factual information (employee count, headquarters location, name of CEO, things of that sort) can of course be filled in from other sources.
Finally, I would suggest that you try writing the article through our Wikipedia:Articles for creation process. There's a group of volunteers who work on draft articles and try and provide some feedback on how a draft is doing with respect to our neutrality and notability guidelines. While not perfect, and while it could be faster, the nice thing about AfC is that most articles that make it through this process never end up never facing a deletion process, and those can be pretty drawn-out and frustrating.
Best of luck! --joe deckertalk 15:34, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

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Assistance Publishing

Hi Joe,

Thanks for your advice on publishing. Would you be able to publish on our behalf if we provided neutral well sourced copy?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scorb1 (talk • contribs) 10:06, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

No thanks. I'm a volunteer here, and have a backlog of writing projects on fields I'm more familiar with in hand. You may want consider adding your topic
to WP:Requested articles, there's no guarantee someone will pick up the topic, but it's certainly possible. Best of luck! --joe deckertalk 18:35, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Living Still Life - Nature morte vivante

  • French : Nature morte vivante ;
  • Italian : Natura morta vivente ;

(* spanish : Natura muerta viviente ;)

I known the latins languages are very close, but there are some differences (perhaps this differences that made each one to be a separate language... )

But overall, Dali pass much more time in France than in Italy. v_atekor (talk) 08:49, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction! --joe deckertalk 06:24, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Sarah Shevon

Would you please userfy this article for me so I can improve it? I wasn't aware that it was even up for deletion because the nominator never notified me. Erpert blah, blah, blah... 00:30, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Speaking of that, in another AfD (in which the article was later undeleted after I rationalized with that deleting admin), I brought up the issue about my not having been notified (of the original prod; not the AfD (the user in question didn't create the AfD discussion): [29], [30]); but then not even a week later, s/he did it again. Erpert blah, blah, blah... 00:49, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Userfied to User:Erpert/Sarah Shevon, no problem.
Sadly (at least to me), we've never gotten consensus that such notifications are required. Most of tools do it pretty automatically, so it shouldn't be a hardship for most editors. Humph. --joe deckertalk 04:46, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Just for the record, the reason Erpert no longer receives courtesy notices from me is that he's announced that several editors (including Spartaz and myself) aren't welcome to post anything on his talk page, and responds with hostility and extreme rudeness even to mandatory notices. See [31], [32], [33], [34]. All he needs to do is to commit to stopping this, which he wouldn't do when the same issue was raised last week. If he wants a punching bag, he can buy one. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 00:28, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
You know full well that I didn't say that (and the other examples you posted are irrevelant). Sheesh, put the tackle box away already (and I'm done with this; among other things, I'm certainly not going to clutter someone's talk page with a conversation that isn't even about him). Erpert blah, blah, blah... 06:26, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
Fair enough, thanks for the clue. --joe deckertalk 18:33, 25 November 2015 (UTC)


John May (executive)

Please WP:REFUND if you would be so kind. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:31, 3 December 2015 (UTC).

@Rich Farmbrough: There was a consensus to delete, so I can't REFUND per se, I can draftify it if you like, though. (or if I'm missing new evidence that should be obvious, feel free to apply clue!) Cheers, --joe deckertalk 02:43, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
Wrong acronym error, perhaps. I'm asking for userfication here. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:44, 4 December 2015 (UTC).
Cool, it's at User:Rich Farmbrough/John May (executive). Best of luck! --joe deckertalk 15:46, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

J. K. Amalou

Hey, giving you a head's up that I've recreated the page for this person. At the AfD last month @Bearcat: said that they were OK with the article being created again with sourcing. The guy's work has received some reviews that were listed on Rotten Tomatoes and the scanty coverage for his other films should be enough for the director to pass notability guidelines as a whole. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 11:04, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the note! There's a review of Deviation [35], although I don't have a Highbeam subscription anymore so I can't see the whole thing. --joe deckertalk 15:01, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
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