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Removed Franklin Graham because he is a doubtful vegan. Best to wait until he or another source confirms his continued adoption of this diet. As regards hidden text. Sorry missed that you had moved it. Robynthehode (talk) 18:17, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

@Robynthehode: Thanks a lot. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:18, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Mass category removals w/o rationales

You've removed a massive number of categories without any rationales by using a bot. Do you have a rationale for any of those, such as for Harold Sakata or Donald Hugh Nagle? Thanks for any explanations. -Light show (talk) 08:46, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

@Light show: There is a rationale in the edit summary: these articles were in a parent and child category for no reason. Harold Sakata was in Category:American martial artists as well as the sub-sub-sub-category Category:Professional wrestlers from Hawaii. Similarly, Donald Hugh Nagle is already in Category:American male karateka. Why would he also be in one of the parent categories for that? Are you suggesting that we upmerge 5,800 articles into Category:American martial artists from this extensive scheme? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:51, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

I didn't know until I just checked that parent cats are not preferred if there's a sub-cat. Makes sense. --Light show (talk) 09:04, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

@Light show: Good deal. Thanks for your note. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:19, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

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New Wikiproject!

Hello, Koavf! I saw you recently edited a page related to the Green party and green politics. There is a new WikiProject that has been formed - WikiProject Green Politics and I thought this might be something you'd be interested in joining! So please head on over to the project page and take a look! Thanks for your time. Me-123567-Me (talk) 18:28, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

@Me-123567-Me: Very much so. At the moment, I'm a little preoccupied, tho. Thanks. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:39, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

You're quite welcome! Thanks for all of your contributions! Me-123567-Me (talk) 18:40, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

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Hello!
I found that your point of view is incredble.
Why do you support sepratism in Morocco?
Western Sahara is and will be Moroccan for ever.
Do you accept that I support independance of Texas,
Do you accept that I support séparatism in USA?
These is the same matter. Itisnt?
Sijadthelastpoet (talk) 00:01, 23 January 2017 (UTC) Sijadthelastpoet (talk) 00:01, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

@Sijadthelastpoet: It's not separatism since Western Sahara was never part of Morocco. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:04, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Separatist say the faults information.
Easily you can verify it. Please read history of Morocco. Morocco is the only Nation-state that exister before 1912 in Maghreb. And before the occupation of Western Sahara by Spain. Morocco can't leave his lands.
Before supporting sepratism you should Verify what separatist say and his allies.
Morocco is the first state în the World that reconize the independance of USA.
I see you have a point of view you deffend human wrights but remember that Morocco can't never leave his terretories for his ennemies. Sijadthelastpoet (talk) 10:42, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

@Sijadthelastpoet: It's nice that Morocco is an old friend of the United States but that doesn't make occupying someone else's land acceptable. The International Court of Justice Advisory Opinion on Western Sahara found that Morocco had no claims of sovereignty over Western Sahara. Can you provide some proof that they did? I imagine that the United Nations would be very interested in that. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:52, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

The international court rapport also that there was .allegeance between Morrocan Ruler and the population of Region. There are some documents ( like Dahir in Arabic) that prouves the souvreignty of Morocco. Secondo Morocco cant make referendum about his sovregnty. Because A lot of poeple in Tindouf camp arent really from Western Sahara : there are a lot from Algeria Mali and Mauritania. See that Algeria refuse any Counting of camp population. The root of The problem is between Morocco and Algeria these country want maiking revench the War Sand. Be Cleaver! See the root of The problem. Is like a tree? Sijadthelastpoet (talk) 19:42, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Algeria make a proxy War against Morocco. You understand wath mean proxy war? Is like War in East of Ukrainia . Sijadthelastpoet (talk) 19:46, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

@Sijadthelastpoet: You are correct that there is a very low-level proxy war between Algeria and Morocco and the Sahrawis are just caught in the middle. There are no documents which "prove" Moroccan sovereignty, or else they would have presented them to the ICJ. Since Morocco wasn't sovereign then, invading and occupying the land shouldn't be rewarded with recognition of that illegal and immoral sovereignty. If you are arguing that the camp is full of Algerians and Mauritanians (which I find unlikely but certainly possible), then I guess all of the settlers should not be allowed a vote as well? Obviously, Morocco is trying to delay a referendum until it becomes too difficult to do--that is their strategy. They don't want a referendum nor do they want the people to be able to determine their own future, so they overwhelmed it with military occupation. It's sick, unethical, and illegal. The "root" of the problem is this. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:48, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

It is ethecal that USA occopy Portorico? Sijadthelastpoet (talk) 20:08, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

@Sijadthelastpoet: It's not ethical for anyone to occupy anywhere. I don't understand your point about Puerto Rico, though as there have been several referenda on the status of Puerto Rico and the United States doesn't occupy it. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:09, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

You are Cleaver 80 percent Puerto Rico isnt the same case as Western Sahara. Because the stuation is extreamly difficult To prepare the referendum in Western Sahara we dont know really the number of population that must vote. Sijadthelastpoet (talk) 20:18, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

You see in Portorico. Wé can know the number of voters#Western Sahara Sijadthelastpoet (talk) 20:20, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

@Sijadthelastpoet: But that's by design. Morocco never intended on having a referendum, especially since they knew they would lose. They should leave the land immediately and see how many settlers want to stay and negotiate how to integrate them into the SADR. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:21, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

You are missed in the lying and propaganda of ennemies of Morocco. Moroccans cant Loos their Sahara. Simply because Sahara was ( before Spain occupation). Is ( today). And will ( until the Appcalyps) moroccan. Remember this: If Morocco loos his Sahara the USA will fall in Famin. You know Why? Sijadthelastpoet (talk) 21:00, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

I see you are in the left side. you support separatism because they are like you ex-communists. that explain Why you suport them. Be Frank. Dont ly To me. Say the truth Why you support separatist in Morocco and dont in Russia (Chechinia). Can you tell me.😕 Sijadthelastpoet (talk) 21:13, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

@Sijadthelastpoet: Western Sahara has never been a part of Morocco and you've provided no proof that it was. Nor did Morocco when they had the chance. Supporting others' human rights doesn't have to mean that I'm liberal but I guess it helps. Since Western Sahara was never a part of Morocco, it's not a separatist issue, whereas Chechnya was a part of Russia in the USSR. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:15, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Make few research. You can find the Proof about moroccan sovereignty in Western Sahara . Unfortunately mosts document in the weeb about are in French language you can understand . I believe that you will know the truth If you Want: See and Forget the propaganda of your ex-communist. Sijadthelastpoet (talk) 21:25, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Good night. Cleavermanthathewantseethethruth. Sijadthelastpoet (talk) 21:28, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

@Sijadthelastpoet: Morocco had all the time in the world to present their case to the ICJ and failed. Why would I think you know more about this than they do? The idea that you are advising me to look past propaganda is one part hilarious and one part good advice. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:09, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

because you dont understand Arabic and French. If you are. You will know a lot information about this problem.

In Islamic las. There is a lot of things that arnt in English-law. Like "Baya= in frenh=allégeance " that mean the population recognize verbally the Souvereignty of the Sultan and this case was in Morocco before the occupation by Spain in 1880 and by France in 1912 . Western Sahara and Mauritania and the Algerian-West are all under moroccan ruler before the occupation by european power. Acter indépendance in 1956 Morocco lost most of his territories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sijadthelastpoet (talk • contribs) 22:55, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

In Islamic law. Sijadthelastpoet (talk) 23:06, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

@Sijadthelastpoet: Then why did the ICJ say that they didn't have sovereignty over the region? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:10, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

there is a lof treasons one CIJ dontreconize IslamicLaw. ICJ was founded after Second World War.and.Morocco was occupied by two nations: two european powers: Spain and France .it was early before 1900. for example France occupied Tindouf the population of this town was under morrocan rule (and now you can understznd why Algeria support separatism against Morocco there is an other reason to have an strztegic issue to Atlantic see)

Other rdason the juges in ICJ werent angels. they were influenced by the contxte of the Cold War. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sijadthelastpoet (talk • contribs) 23:56, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

@Sijadthelastpoet: Do you know of any scholars of international law who would agree with you? Has any independent third party ever agreed that the Sahara was a part of Morocco? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:00, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Morocco don't Need to be reconized by any ôther instance. The most islamic states in the World (and arabic) dont reconize any Sadr in morrocan sahara because they knew Western Sahara was morrocan before the creation of a lot of states in the Word. There is a consensus in Morocco about this question. I said that Morocco Cannt leave his Southern Provinces for his Ennemies. It seems like a fish in the seë. You dont see the importance of Sahara for Morocco because you arent moroccan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sijadthelastpoet (talk • contribs) 00:19, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

@Sijadthelastpoet: it is rude, illogical, and incorrect to assume things about my attitude. I assume that you can listen to reason even though you are Moroccan—there's no reason why you can't overcome the hateful lies and propaganda of your king but it will take work. There's a lot of lies and distortion in your country about this and there isn't elsewhere so if you ask persons who aren't from Morocco, it is a lot easier for them to see how wrong this situation is. As an American, there's a huge stream of nonsense that I am fed about all kinds of issues but not this one. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:27, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

In these case you must defend the independance of Tibet.
You cant? I know Why. Because China have an atomic bomb . That Why you cant open your Mouse.
You seems like an actor ; you must play for a reason that you cant leave without hypocrisy. Good night. REMember this equation: Morroco-Sahara= USA+Civil War Sijadthelastpoet (talk) 00:50, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

@Sijadthelastpoet: I don't hold any opinions because of any atomic bombs other than opinions about atomic bombs. The suzerain relationship between Tibet and China/Mongolia is not the same as that between Morocco and the Sahrawis and their lands. In no small part because the leader of Tibet advocates for autonomy and the Tibetan people support him and the CTA government. The notion that anything that happens in Western Sahara would create either a famine or a civil war in the United States is honestly one of the most asinine things I have ever read in my life. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:57, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

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Staszek Lem (talk) 23:26, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Category: Possibly living people

Hi Koavf. Quick question regarding this edit to Category:Possibly living people: it was my understanding that the reason this category was visible (like Category:Living people) is so that more people are aware that the article falls under the aegis of WP:BLP. I don't really care personally if it's visible or not, I was just curious. Canadian Paul 17:57, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

@Canadian Paul: That could be--it makes sense. I thought of it more like a tracking/maintenance category like Category:Year of birth unknown... ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:56, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

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Re your email

I found the stuff by googling your name, and, sometimes, also adding "koavf" and/or "wikipedia" as a search term after your name (e.g. "Justin Knapp" "koavf"). It didn't take that long. Everymorning (talk) 23:51, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

@Everymorning: That's what I figured. Thanks, man. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:20, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Splitting Opinion polling for the 2015 United Kingdom general election

Hi, you left a "Split" tag on Opinion polling for the 2015 United Kingdom general election but you didn't provide a reason on the talk page, could you explain why you want to split the article up and what you think it should be split into? Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 10:13, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

use refill tool instead of pointless tag

Instead of posting a template saying that an article has bare links in its reference section, you can just as easily enter the name of the article into https://tools.wmflabs.org/refill/ and it'll fix that automatically. Dream Focus 21:50, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

@Dream Focus: The tool is fine and does about 70% of what someone would want but it still takes human discrimination to make a fully-formed reference, so I don't use the tool. Tagging isn't pointless, as it explains a problem with an article that can and should be fixed--that's what all tags do. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:43, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

I just used it to fix the article you tagged, and it did everything 100% on its own as always. So rather pointless to waste time tagging anything for bare link references, when you have a tool that fixes anything that can be fixed. Dream Focus 00:19, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

@Dream Focus: No, it's not as 1.) it points out articles which need fixing (if you want to do that, that's fine--I don't want to in these instances) and 2.) your "fixes" include adding title=Page Not Found. Is that a good way to point readers to references? This is actually a perfect example of why I don't use this tool: it fills in junk info sometimes, leaves empty fields, and doesn't put in germane information (author, date published, etc.) all of which are fairly easy to do with human discrimination. If anything, I would argue that instances like this are worse. What say you? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:41, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

@Dream Focus: Classy move thanking me, man. That's very considerate. The ref tool is better than a bare link but not as good as a human doing 100% of the work. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:12, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Wikilivres

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Important Sikh Personalities listed at Redirects for discussion

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Query about your maintenance tags over the Radical centrism "External links" section

Dear Koavi, - I see that you've put maintenance tags over the "External links" section of the Radical centrism page. I appreciate the concern that we Wikipedia editors have for our product. However, I have been monitoring that article for several years, and I cannot see any links there that are "excessive" or "inappropriate." (1) The radical centrist article is long and covers an unusual amount of ground. (2) Every single external link relates to a Wikipedia-notable person or entity. (3) Every link is briefly explained / justified. (4) Most important of all, every single person or entity is mentioned in the text of the article or in the "Further reading" section following the text.

I have just re-read the external links rules, WP:EXT, and cannot see where Radical centrism's "External links" section goes wring. So please explain your objection further, and I will correct whatever I can; I'll watch for your response in this space. Thanks! - Babel41 (talk) 00:08, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

@Babel41: Thanks for your note. Since Wikipedia is not a link directory, it's important to keep external links to a minimum based on their quality and applicability to a given article. For instance, on this one, there are no less than six links to American groups. Isn't there one that is more representative? And the opinion sites--surely there are several commentators and bloggers out there: how did you choose these in particular? Are any of them really necessary? For that matter, you have linked a handful of manifestos--these links are fine as such but they should really just be in the further reading above or cited as sources. Yes, they are links but they link to one particular document rather than a site made up of several pages. I would suggest that you consider looking at (or even editing!) DMOZ. If you could take the 15 or so links that are there now and replace them with one or two direct links and one or two directory links that would be 1.) more in line with the external links policy and 2.) make it much more likely that users will actually click on them. That was my thinking. Basically anytime I see an article and it has double digit links, it's basically assured to be excessive. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:41, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Koavi, - I have copied this dialogue to Talk:Radical centrism so the page viewers there can see our dialogue. More importantly, I have entered the changes you suggested to Radical centrism's "External links" section. It is definitely shorter and sleeker now! Please see my explanation of the changes on that article's Talk page. N.b., I state there that I'll be removing the maintenance tag unless I hear from you otherwise by Sunday night. Best, - Babel41 (talk) 04:43, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

@Babel41: Thanks a lot. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:03, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Help

Hi, I hope that you're well. Could you please help me with the article about Mark White, and also his band Vice Versa please? They've recently reformed, and are currently working on some new tracks which I'm very happy about! And thank you if so, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 23:04, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

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@Primefac: Sorry, this is in regards to what? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:14, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

This edit. The TFD notices ended up on the page itself. Primefac (talk) 03:16, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

@Primefac: Gotcha. Thanks, man. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:18, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Roma–Ciudad Miguel Alemán International Bridge

Hello. Since you edited Roma–Ciudad Miguel Alemán International Bridge, I was wondering if you were able to identify if the Roma-San Pedro International Bridge, which is listed at National Register of Historic Places listings in Starr County, Texas, was the same bridge with a different name? I just looked on Google Maps and I only see one bridge, but I can't find "San Pedro" on the map, so I may be looking in the wrong place. However, Roma does not look like a very big town. If it is the same bridge, we could create a redirect.Zigzig20s (talk) 11:25, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

I think it might be because of the address "SW of Hidalgo St. and Bravo Alley", although Google Maps says "Bravo Boulevard." There is also the slight possibility that Google Maps is missing a bridge. But unlikely.Zigzig20s (talk) 11:29, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

@Zigzig20s: I'm totally ignorant but I've passed this along to a Texan who is much smarter than me. I hope it works out for you. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:32, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

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Hi!

Saw your User page- Theosis and apocatastasis! God Bless you brother! Two of my favorite words in the universe! <3 Sethie (talk) 18:25, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

@Sethie: You too. It's encouraging to meet another in the wild. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:37, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

:) Look forward to collaborating with you! May the Force be with You. Sethie (talk) 02:20, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

@Sethie: And also with you. I can't believe we haven't run into one another in the past 12 years. Did you see that I started q:Christian Universalism? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:21, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

I feel inspired to ask if you want to create an article titled "Christian Universlists Views of Hell" ? ! :) Of course we could start it as a sub-section somewhereSethie (talk) 23:42, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

@Sethie: That sounds very intriguing. There is already the problem of Hell article as well. Some of the Universalism content is a little unwieldy because it's poorly structured but it's also a topic which has had a lot written about it in the past decade or so. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:49, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Will look at it- I just started a section here- feel free to contribute! :) [1] Sethie (talk) 23:57, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Categorizing jazz singers

I noticed that in January 2017 you created the category Vocal jazz musicians. Is this correct?

How do you think female jazz vocalists should be categorized? I would like to add categories to articles about female jazz singers, but I want to add them to categories that are or will be closer to comprehensive, rather than sparsely populated. "American female jazz singers" has many entries, but determining nationality isn't always easy and for me usually not the point. Suppose I, the hypothetical, imaginary "I", am reading about a female jazz singer and I want to see a list of others. Am I going to consult a list called American jazz singers, Canadian jazz singers, Lithuanian jazz singers? Probably not. Melody Gardot and Madeleine Peyroux look like French names, but Gardot is from Philadelphia and Peyroux is from Athens, Georgia. Nationality wouldn't be my first guiding principle. I'm more interested in finding appealing voices. I like to read lists organized by nationality, and I'm sure others do, too. But should there be a broader category? I would probably have separate lists for male and female. Would people be offended by that? Or would they insist on it? Would I want a huge list that combines them? I don't know.
–Vmavanti (talk) 18:45, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

@Vmavanti: I didn't create it--I just nominated it for renaming from Jazz vocal musicians. I feel like the triple intersection of genre (jazz), sex (female), and instrument (voice) is probably plenty--if you add in nationality, you make four intersecting defining characteristics, which seems unnecessary. Certainly some would be offended by splitting categories by sex, but it's common and fairly sensible when it comes to some categories, including singers. Does that help any? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:43, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes, thank for you responding and sorry for the misunderstanding.
–Vmavanti (talk) 23:02, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

@Vmavanti: I'm always happy to help here. What do you mean by apologizing...? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:26, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Alumni by decade

Hi, I closed your CfD nomination of Princeton categories by decade (Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_February_24). There is a similar bunch at Category:Dartmouth College alumni which you might also want to nominate. – Fayenatic London 19:34, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

@Fayenatic London: I meant to ping you earlier--I did it. Thanks. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:43, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

WikiLoving Your Brain!

WikiLove of Gratitude

Just discovered you on the leaderboard of number of edits and then found your user page, and realized how much you've made a difference in this world! Nice job. That work represents an incredible number of years of commitment. And I'd appreciate being able to connect! I'm working on WikiSoCal, with very ambitious wiki movement projects. Connecting with other wiki devotees is so helpful, especially someone like you :-) Given your experience and perspectives on the complexities of the wiki worlds here and worldwide, would it be possible to start a Q&A dialog? DrMel (talk) 23:39, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

@DrMel: Certainly. Let me know the next step--maybe via email? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:42, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

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Oops!

I accidentally rolled back your edit, now corrected. Sorry! WWGB (talk) 01:04, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

@WWGB: I saw already--don't worry about it, man. Some guys get bent out of shape about Rollback, but I don't. Thanks for your note. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:06, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Guitarists

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kim_Warnick&diff=773740880&oldid=773312887: I wouldn't usually put someone who plays electric bass (a.k.a. bass guitar) in a guitarist category. Is this really how this cat is used? - Jmabel | Talk 04:07, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

@Jmabel: Category:Bass guitarists is part of a tree under Category:Guitarists. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:08, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Guitarists from...

While I haven't managed to find the relevant policy or any previous discussion of this (I'm not even sure if I've been looking in the right place), it doesn't seem to make sense to categorise people as having more than one point of origin. For example, while Johnny Williams (blues musician) and Baby Face Leroy both worked and recorded in Chicago (and are both categorised as Chicago blues musicians) both are from elsewhere, and both are also categorised as guitarists from the state where they were born which I would have thought is more appropriate. To quote James T. Kirk, "No, I'm from Iowa; I just work in outer space." Brunton (talk) 09:06, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

@Brunton: There are guidelines about being "from" [place], yes. See Wikipedia:Categorization_of_people#By_place. The idea makes sense to me: you can live somewhere for a time and then somewhere else for a time. You may have been born in Place A but later became associated with Place B. You could have been a military brat born in Germany but you're an American and lived your entire life in Ohio. Etc. I agree that just passing through a place wouldn't constitute you being from there but for what it's worth, all of these categories that I am adding are already in another relevant category--that's how I generated the list. (That is to say, Baby Face Leroy was already in a person-from-Illinois category in the first place.) ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:16, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

That's a bit clearer now. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction (following the links in the section below also helped). Brunton (talk) 06:44, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

@Brunton: Of course. Please let me know if I can help again. Thanks for your posts. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:45, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Category:Las Vegas musicians

Proceed with the deletion. I moved the Category:Las Vegas musicians list to Category:Musicians from Las Vegas. – Eurodog (talk) 14:45, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Al Pitrelli

What is your source for Al Pitrelli being from NYC? He's not. He's from Hicksville, on Long Island. I reverted you, explaining why in my edit summary. You then reverted me, inexplicably asking me why I made my edit. Well, if you had read my edit summary, or my subsequent talk page comment, you would know why. Why do you think he is from New York City? Dlabtot (talk) 07:14, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

@Dlabtot: If you read my summary, you'll see that you reverted to a version of the page that still categorizes him as being from New York City. If he's not/there isn't a source, then remove it entirely. Why is putting him higher in the category scheme from Category:People from New York City an improvement? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:20, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

OK, mea culpa. I thought I reverted to a cat that said New York (I'm sure you realize there is a state with that name), not New York City. I misunderstood your edit summary. I don't have a source, but I know him and I went to high school with him, so that's original research, which I why I haven't edited the article to reflect what I know. So perhaps the best thing would be what you suggest, to remove the category altogether. What do you think? By the way, this episode has revealed to me that I don't know how to flag cn on a category... is there a way? Dlabtot (talk) 07:30, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

@Dlabtot: Accidents happen. There isn't a way to do that, no--you would just do it in the text of the article or simply remove the category, maybe with an edit summary that says, "WP:SOURCE". That's what I would do at least. If you want to be more long-winded, "This statement requires a source per WP:SOURCE" or somesuch. Thanks for posting to me. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:48, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

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Incomplete FFD

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Category:Sportspeople by city in the United States

Hi, I'm looking for some guidance. I am of the opinion this category would benefit from further delineation at an individual sport level. For instance Category:Baseball people by city in the United States, etc. Some of these cities (Chicago, LA, Philly) have over 1000 entries which, to me, seems to be too broad. Your thoughts? Thanks. Jb45424 (talk) 03:28, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

@Jb45424: If a category has 1,000 members, it should be diffused, definitely. There's no need to make a Baseball people by city category for every city for but the ones you listed (and NYC), it's definitely useful. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:05, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Justin. Is there any approval / notification process I should follow prior to creating these categories? Any suggestions on an efficient way to populate them? Jb45424 (talk) 03:18, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

@Jb45424: There's no approval process for creating categories but it's definitely worth looking at the relevant help pages. Mass adding of/splitting categories can be done with tools like WP:HOTCAT, WP:CAT-A-LOT, and WP:AWB but some require permission to use. Would you like some help splitting them? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:19, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Justin. I have added Category:Baseball people from Chicago and begun to populate it using WP:HOTCAT. Yes, any help would be greatly appreciated. Jb45424 (talk) 10:40, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for setting up the upstream categories. I was going to ask you about that and then when I went and looked again they were already done. Jb45424 (talk) 23:51, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

@Jb45424: No problem. I am a little busy now or else I would set about really filling them in. I will shoot for this weekend. If I don't get to it, please nudge me. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:55, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Justin, much appreciated. Jb45424 (talk) 23:57, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Sorry to keep bothering you...now I'm second guessing myself. When I have been changing Sportspeople from Chicago to Baseball people from Chicago I have been removing Baseball players from Illinios, since they both roll up into Baseball people from Illinois, but maybe I should not be doing that? Also, we now have both Baseball people from Illinois and Baseball players from Illinios rolling up into Sportspeople from Illinois. Thanks Jb45424 (talk) 23:33, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

@Jb45424: Not a bother at all--this is the first time that I've written an encyclopedia myself! I'll try to take a look tomorrow. Ping me again if I don't (I was out all day today). ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:58, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

@Jb45424: The consensus has been we don't subcategorize Sportspeople from Foo by the type of athlete they are. Here[2], Here[3], Here[4], here[5], are just a few of the Categories for deletion discussions on this very topic. Your baseball people from Chicago was deleted because it had been deleted in the past as the result of a CFD....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:31, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

@WilliamJE: My issue, as noted above, is some of these cities (Chicago, LA, Philly) have over 1000 entries in the Sportspeople category. I don't see where that is particularly beneficial, especially when there is an easy delineation to break the category out by sport. Where is the appropriate place to raise this as a proposal? Jb45424 (talk) 19:02, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

My answer-

1- There is no specific project to discuss it at. You could bring it to WP Baseball. I believe the subject of Baseketball players by city was once discussed at WP Basketball and the consensus was against.

2- Chicago was a large sportspeople category at the time the baseball players from Chicago was deleted in 2013. Categorization of sportspeople from Chicago by sport has been rejected not once but two times. 1,000 entries in a category isn't a record. {:Category:Harvard University alumni]] has over 10,000.

3- I made note of 4 CFDs on the topic of Sportspeople by city with the consensus delete, but there is at least 4 four. Tennis players in Los Angeles, Ice Hockey players (in Ontario Canada and the US), and other sports that I can't recall at the moment. Ice hockey players from Ontario numbers over 3,000. So consensus is heavily weighted against.

Categorizing all baseball players from Philadelphia would be a lot of work that stands a excellent chance of being wasted in the end by another successful CFD....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:50, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

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The WP:PROD was updated to apply to files per RfC discussion at WT:PROD. Also, {{subst:prod}} and Twinkle were updated to allow PROD-ding on files. Therefore, you can tag any image (or other media) for an uncontroversial deletion. --George Ho (talk) 12:32, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

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John Sullivan (pitcher)

Could you please take a look at this page when you get a chance. A new user, Mdep1969, made a lengthy update today which, unfortunately, is not encyclopedic in tone and includes at least some paragraphs lifted verbatim from the SABR article. I'm sure it was done in good faith, and I don't want to scare them away, but I'm not sure how to politely explain what they need to know. Thanks. Jb45424 (talk) 00:31, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Irin Carmon

Hi Koavf. I don't want to revert something that I don't understand. Regarding this edit, what is the subcategory in the article that would necessitate removal of Category:American Jews? Thanks. Sundayclose (talk) 01:56, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

@Sundayclose: Category:Israeli emigrants to the United States. Probably a bad scheme but that was the culprit. They should probably be linked via {{catseealso}} since a solid 20% of Israelis are not Jews (almost entirely Palestinian Arabs). ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:19, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Bear with me; I'm confused. I don't think Category:Israeli emigrants to the United States is a subcategory of Category:American Jews? Sundayclose (talk) 03:03, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

@Sundayclose: Category:Israeli emigrants to the United States → Category:American people of Israeli descent → Category:American people of Jewish descent is probably what did it (altho that last one is not a subcategory of Category:American Jews which is confusing because most Jews are of Jewish descent). ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:00, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Again, please bear with me as categories can be confusing. So if none of the categories you list above has the parent category of Category:American Jews why does it need to be deleted? My understanding is that the American Jews category has to be a parent or grandparent of a category in the article in order for it to be removed. Thanks. Sundayclose (talk) 17:06, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

@Sundayclose: No, sorry--I was not explicit. Your instinct is correct: she was not actually under Category:American Jews. In reality, she can and should be added to Category:Jewish American writers. I have since done this. Thanks for asking--you are not at all dense and your sleuthing was correct and resulted in a more appropriate categorization for her biography. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:33, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Glad it improved the article in addition to satisfying my curiosity. Sundayclose (talk) 21:29, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

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Oakland Raiders

Template:Editnotices/Page/Oakland Raiders should say 2017, not 2016. pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 05:51, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

@Phinumu: Nice! Thanks. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:18, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Committee for getting things done - invitation

Can't believe you haven't been invited to join the committee before! Please come on board and select your own title!

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 19:20, 6 June 2017 (UTC).

@Rich Farmbrough: I could have sworn I had been as well. Curious. Thanks, Rich. And thanks for all you've done on Wikipedia the past decade or so. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:03, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Lawrence Wilkerson

Hi Koavf, can you explain to me here, or on that article talk page, what exactly you deem not accurate with the lede at Lawrence Wilkerson? Thanks. prokaryotes (talk) 22:08, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

@Prokaryotes: Of course, thanks for asking. A lead section should contain an overview of the entire article. There's no discussion of his career prior to leaving the feds, nothing substantial about what his complaints are, nor anything about what he has done professionally since he left the government. A lead section should include something about every subsection in the article. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:34, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Okay, a bit odd to me that notice, the first time i came across this particular one, thanks for clarification. prokaryotes (talk) 07:51, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Reality Winner

Hi Justin, I'm amused you were 14 hours ahead of everyone else :) Jb45424 (talk) 01:05, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

@Jb45424: It is no exaggeration to say that I would spend my life on wikis if I could. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:44, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Why are you reversing yourself?

If an article's in a daughter category, it should be removed from the parent category. --Orange Mike | Talk 00:44, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

@Orangemike: 100% agree, but for some reason, they are marked as non-diffusing. Seems like a bad idea but it's at least consistent at the moment. :/ ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:44, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Then we need to fix "marked as non-diffusing" (whatever that means). --Orange Mike | Talk 00:57, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

@Orangemike: Also 100% agreed. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:20, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Footballer categories

Why are you mass removing valid categories from footballer articles? There is longstanding consensus that WP:SUBCAT does not apply here; footballers remain in both parent and child categories. GiantSnowman 21:36, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: Category:Mexican footballers explicitly says otherwise. What are you talking about? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:37, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

That is not correct. I'll raise this at WT:FOOTBALL so you can see. Please stop your edits until then. GiantSnowman 21:38, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: It has been there for three years and there is zero reason for someone to be in Category:Footballers from Sinaloa and Category:Mexican footballers. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:40, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Again, see WT:FOOTBALL. Why are you still editing in the presence of clear opposition? You are being incredibly disruptive. GiantSnowman 21:41, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: I'm doing other things. Not sure how that's "incredibly disruptive". You can't hardly get mad at me for diffusing diffusing categories. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:50, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

You violated WP:BRD by reverting my reverts. You carried on reverting and editing even though I start TWO discussions about it. You should know better. GiantSnowman 08:21, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: Okay but the category had instructions for it to be diffused for several years and there is an existing scheme for diffusing it. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:30, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

If you'd have stopped when informed and pleaded ignorance, fine. No harm done. But you have continued to revert numerous users! GiantSnowman 19:31, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: Diffusing a category that has been marked for three years is not "bold"--doing the opposite is. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:40, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Koavf, i just knew them as Mexican, no knowledge on POB and international cap. How can i find the footballer if you remove it from cat? Matthew_hk tc 01:17, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

@Matthew hk: How do you mean "find" him? You realize that many schemes are in the form of some larger category diffused by geography, including this, right? I know that some footballers are from Europe but that doesn't justify upmerging them all into Category:Footballers from Europe and having one category with 38,000 members. Why do you think there is even category diffusion in the first place? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:13, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

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James L. Buie removed from Category American Scientists

Hi Koavf, You removed James L. Buie from the category American Scientists, saying he is already in a child category. I cannot find a child category of American Scientists that he is in. Am I missing something? Thanks Overjive (talk) 14:25, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

@Overjive: You are not--I goofed up a few hundred times and am going over my edits. Thanks and sorry. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:33, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Alfred Stillé removed from category

He is a graduate of the college which is stored as university alumni, and separately a graduate of the medical school which makes him a graduate of both. Therefore, he does actually belong in the parent and child categories. The Haz _talk 01:35, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

@Hazmat2: All alumni of the medical school are alumni of the university. If he graduated from two schools, you can put him in two categories--one for each school and both under the university in general. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:46, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

I restored his Category:University of Pennsylvania alumni. Koavf, do not remove undergraduate alumni categories merely because the same person also belongs to a graduate subcategory. And if you have made other similar errors, please reverse them (as I see you have already done on Brenda Baker, where the undergraduate category was the more specific one). There are circumstances in which having an article in both a parent and a child category is ok, and this is one of them. (Another is when the child is non-diffusing.) —David Eppstein (talk) 04:29, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

@David Eppstein: Radcliffe is a separate institution. Just being an undergraduate at a single institution and then getting a further degree from a school which happens to have a category here doesn't justify duplication. You can easily make a category for the specific school rather than upmerge into categories which are bloated and marked as requiring diffusion like Category:Harvard University alumni. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:39, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

If Stillé had gone to any other med school he would have the Penn alumni category. He should have it regardless of where he went. There is no duplication: he has both an undergraduate alumni category and a graduate one. The fact that our hierarchy puts one under the other should be irrelevant. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:28, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

But that isn't an undergraduate category--it's just a category. It isn't intended solely for undergrads. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:29, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

It is an undergfraduate category for Stillé — it is the category that describes his undergraduate alma mater, and until your creation of a different subcategory it was the only category that could possibly be used to describe his undergraduate alma mater. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:31, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

And that's fine--we don't have a scheme for undergraduate degrees, nor do we need a different category for every level of a degree. By this thinking, if he received a Master's and a doctorate from the same school, would he need to be categorized twice for receiving two degrees? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:33, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

No, because we don't have a way of putting articles into a single category twice. Both the master's and doctorate earn someone a place in a particular category, but if they are the same category as each other then they only get one. (Also, I don't consider master's degrees earned as part of a completed doctoral program — of which I have two — to be defining.) —David Eppstein (talk) 06:02, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

No one is in any way stopped from navigating to this person by using the most specific category and it also makes navigating a huge category possible. It's not like he's known for his undergraduate studies anyway, so that is hardly defining. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:03, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

PS to Hazmat2 and anyone else who might arrive at the discussion here — I have started a more general discussion at Wikipedia talk:Categorization, in which Justin is also participating. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:02, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Categorization#Simultaneous_parent_and_child_categorization_when_reason_for_being_in_parent_is_different_than_reason_for_being_in_child. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:05, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Removing alumni categories

You are removing the undergraduate alumni category from many people who have an undergraduate degree from the same institution (somewhat different name) as their graduate degree. Please put these back. Also don't remove Harvard if the person is also a Radcliffe graduate. That is referring to different degrees, or the fact that earlier PhDs from Harvard for women had to say Radcliffe. StarryGrandma (talk) 03:41, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

@StarryGrandma: They are a subcategory of a category that is marked for diffusion. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:43, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

The category says nothing about diffusion. It is suggested that it be subcategorized. For example, for undergraduates there should be a separate category Category:Harvard College alumni that would take out many of the names. Currently the category holds both undergraduate degrees and other degrees. Someone who has an undergraduate degree from Columbia University and a PhD from Harvard University gets to have both categories. Someone who has an undergraduate degree from Radcliffe College and a graduate degree from Harvard University shouldn't lose that distinction. StarryGrandma (talk) 03:54, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

@StarryGrandma: "for undergraduates there should be a separate category" do you know of any such scheme? Why is Radcliffe subcategorized under Harvard? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:18, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Also, diffusion is literally breaking a large category into smaller categories: "Although there is no limit on the size of categories, a large category will often be broken down ("diffused") into smaller, more specific subcategories." What is the distinction you are drawing here? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:42, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Breaking a large category into small categories doesn't necessarily mean they have to be diffusing categories, though it helps a lot with large categories if they are. People can be in both categories if they are in each one for a different reason. For reasons associated with how the Harvard University Alumni Association works, the Harvard category says: "Alumni of Harvard University, including Harvard College". I don't know why Wikipedia has to set this category up to keep Harvard happy. It would make more sense to have Harvard College alumni be a subcategory just like Radcliffe college, which is one of the constituent colleges of Harvard University. And perhaps Harvard University (since it grants the graduate degrees) also as a subcategory of some larger category for all Harvard degrees. Then it could diffuse and people with multiple degrees could be in more than one subcategory. But as it stands, don't remove Harvard University from people with graduate degrees from Harvard and undergraduate from Radcliffe. StarryGrandma (talk) 03:02, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Alumni categories are diffused. Are Fighting athletes of Foo U also categorized alumni? They aren't. If Foo U has a law school subcategory and Professor Joe Smith teaches law and economics, he don't go in the mother category....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 21:19, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Must See TV Thursday

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Eric Garcetti

Koavf,

As explained, I don't understand your edit at Eric Garcetti. I asked you to explain at Talk, rather than edit war, or talk summary war. As you know, that's what should've happened, per WP:AVOIDEDITWAR. But you didn't. So would you please explain here which "subcategory" you're referencing in this edit? X4n6 (talk) 19:20, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Eric Garcetti is in Category:School of International and Public Affairs, Columbia University alumni which is a subcategory of Category:Columbia University alumni, so he doesn't need to be in both a parent and child category. Cf. with how he is in Category:21st-century American male actors but not its parent Category:American male actors or Category:American people of Russian-Jewish descent but not Category:American people of Jewish descent or Category:California Democrats but not Category:Democrats (United States), etc. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:43, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Got it. X4n6 (talk) 20:03, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Google Attribution

Hi T I've recently added content in the Google Attribution article. I don't think so it is tutorial kind of language. And the link that I've cyted is also very informative. You can read that. I found it very dissapointing TScarlettod (talk) 08:55, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

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Discussion at Talk:Metro–Goldwyn–Mayer#Renaming

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Speedy deletion nomination of List of supermarket chains in Andorra

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Eunice Kazembe

Do you mind reverting the latest edit by Mannerheimo (talk · contribs)? I would, but I'm bumping up against 3RR and I'd rather be careful. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 19:49, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@Ser Amantio di Nicolao: Doing them now. Thanks. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:07, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, but I only meant the one on Eunice Kazembe. I'm fine on the others - I can work on those, too. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 20:09, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

IMDb title

Since you updated the IMDB title template, just wondering if you were going to do the others to keep things consistent? {{IMDb name}}, {{IMDb episodes}}, {{IMDb company}}, {{IMDb character}}, {{IMDb award}}, {{IMDb event}} & {{IMDb country year}}. -- WOSlinker (talk) 07:24, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

@WOSlinker:  Done Thanks. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:59, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

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@Uanfala: Thanks a lot. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:32, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Blake Babies discography

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Discussion at Talk:Metro–Goldwyn–Mayer_cartoon_studio#Renaming

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