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Gads - it's Old Farm time again

Tractor Boys shouldn't have bothered heading north..

It won't be this bad, but it'll be a disaster nonetheless. No need to discuss it further, I'm sure................... Remember how kind I am.... The Rambling Man (talk) 01:45, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Is that Ipswich town centre? I think it'll be a close-fought derby. We might edge it if your kids get the tremblies. Let's not talk about cricket though, unless it's to congratulate me on predicting Finn, not Swann, is our key bowler in Australia. --Dweller (talk) 17:26, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

No comment. Holt was alright. The ref was wrong, but no excuses, we defended like born losers. And what a useful idea to take Scotland off when he looked most likely to do something. Oh well, not entirely in self-denial about the whole thing, but close... at least the cricket's looking up. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:20, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Scotland looks overweight to me. The red card was a touch and go decision, not a lot of complaint, but your man didn't have many complaints. I also think Jackson had a strong claim for a penalty at the end. BBC pundits oohed and ahhed over Lansbury, but a wonderful highlight was that Martin Keown kept calling Chris Martin, "Davis"! Holt was immense. Great, old fashioned centre-forward and a captain's display. The first goal was just fantastic to watch. Let's hope Keano has the job for life - can't work the guy out. I wonder if he's one of these mega-talented people that just never comes to terms with the notion that others aren't as talented? --Dweller (talk) 23:00, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Figg-Hoblyn

Re: [1], it is sourced in the external links, a refimprove tag would have been better than blanking. DuncanHill (talk) 22:16, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

First-class players lists

Hey there - yes indeed, in most cases, the names are arranged in reverse chronological order, though this is certainly not true in all cases - I had intended to write a note originally saying something along those lines, but then I realized that a couple of the lists were not arranged in this way.

Any suggestions for teams I've missed out would be very useful - gives me something to do, at least..! Thank you very much. Bobo. 17:05, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

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Old Bill

So, TFA on 20 December. Hurrah! I looked at the stats and was surprised, to say the least. Apart from your lot, did you/I ever get anything else mainpaged? I can't recall... The Rambling Man (talk) 17:41, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Nearly through our part of the day, nothing too bad happening! You ok? Answer the ^^ question if you get a chance. Best, The Rambling Man (talk) 19:50, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi there. I've been malingering for a while now. Comes and goes. Of articles I've played a significant role in for FAC or FAR, yes, Norwich City F.C. has appeared on main page, as has The West Indian cricket team in England in 1988, Adam Gilchrist, Sid Barnes, England national football team manager and Donald Bradman. Chess and Bodyline, that I played a role in at FAR, both appeared on main page before my involvement. --Dweller (talk) 20:40, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Main page appearance

Hello! This is a note to let the main editors of this article know that it will be appearing as the main page featured article on December 20, 2010. You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/December 20, 2010. If you think it is necessary to change the main date, you can request it with the featured article director, Raul654 (talk · contribs). If the previous blurb needs tweaking, you might change it—following the instructions of the suggested formatting. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :D Thanks! Tbh®tch^{Talk ©} Happy Holidays 01:18, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Bill O'Reilly (1905–1992) was an Australian cricketer, rated as one of the greatest bowlers in the history of the game. Following his retirement from playing, he became a well-respected cricket writer and broadcaster. O'Reilly was a spin bowler, who delivered the ball from a two-fingered grip at close to medium pace with great accuracy, and could produce leg breaks, googlies, and top spinners, with no discernible change in his action. When O'Reilly died, Sir Donald Bradman said "he was the greatest bowler he had ever faced or watched". O'Reilly's citation as a Wisden Cricketer of the Year for 1935 said of his batting: "He had no pretensions to grace of style or any particular merit, but he could hit tremendously hard and was always a menace to tired bowlers." O'Reilly was also known for his competitiveness: he bowled with the aggression of a paceman. In a biographical essay on O'Reilly, his contemporary, the England cricketer Ian Peebles, wrote "any scoring-stroke was greeted by a testy demand for the immediate return of the ball rather than a congratulatory word. Full well did he deserve his sobriquet of 'Tiger'." (more...)

Bosie

Thanks for the CE and comments. Replied on talk. I've tweaked one or two of your changes to fit in with previous comments (and to head off one or two possible prose reviewers who seize on a couple of things!) but thanks for the review so far. Really appreciate having a cricket chap look at it. --Sarastro1 (talk) 23:38, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Interview request

"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on WikiProject Cricket for an article for The Signpost in January. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, please let me know on my talk page. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please let me know as well. I have also invited BlackJack for the interview. I take this opportunity to wish you Season's Greetings and a Happy New Year. – SMasters (talk) 05:20, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

The questions are here if you want to participate. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Cheers. – SMasters (talk) 07:18, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks very much - I'd love to! --Dweller (talk) 10:09, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Tags on CMIIM2008

Hi, Dweller! I responded to a few questions that were mailed to OTRS regarding this page. I see you've added a few tags, and I'm in no position to judge whether they're appropriate or not (though by a cursory glance at the page, they seem to be.) Regardless of that, and the facts that these tags might be self-explanatory to experinced users, this still is a case of "drive-by tagging".

I understand you do a lot of patrolling here, and don't have time for lengthy discurses on each subject. Nevertheless, I feel that all experienced users, especially the "high profile" ones, should set an example by adding a comment on talk pages when they add tags.

I suggest you just prepare a template for each tag (or make it a collaborative effort), which can simply be pasted into the talk page. It's got to be something that is helpful to inexperienced users, e.g. with links to improvement suggestions. There's plenty of good advice to be found on WP regarding these matters, so let's make use of it.

Mostly, tagging alone is of little help and tends to inflate, rather than improve, Wikipedia! Asav (talk) 14:06, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

I have no idea what CMIIM2008 is. Could you explain? --Dweller (talk) 14:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

OK, I worked it out, by checking your contrib history.

Re CMIIM2008, this came about because a user approached the bureaucrats for a name change. When I checked their contrib history, it became clear they were making COI edits to a mainspace article. The two tags I left are pretty self-explanatory, so I'm not sure what a talk page edit would have added, particularly as my fellow bureaucrat chose to indefblock the account. I think that I have a pretty good record for being helpful to newbies, but this particular newbie, whatever their username, would be making COI edits, however much they understood the tag.

On the bigger point, if you feel the tags are not sufficiently self-explanatory, perhaps it's worth developing them, rather than trying to get editors to do (more than) twice the work by tagging and repeating the explanation on the talk page. If this doesn't work, then perhaps a request to develop Twinkle to automate this would be a good idea.

Cheers, --Dweller (talk) 14:19, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Paul Collingwood

You and The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) are the leading contributor's to Collingwood's article, but neither of you have edited the article since 2009. Are you maintaining the article? Nev1 (talk) 23:30, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I've explained already. If Nev1 would like to help us maintain the article, I suggested that'd be a great idea. That's what Wikipedia is all about! The Rambling Man (talk) 23:36, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

YGM

Conwayseth (talk) 17:00, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, meant that I'd sent you an email. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Conwayseth (talk • contribs) 17:27, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

I've replied. --Dweller (talk) 17:32, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry, I had no idea of Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard/Archive_4#Changes_of_account_name_by_restricted_users when asking for the rename. It's not my intention to cause any confusion to the admins. Does "...change their username with a suppressed redirect from the old name..." mean that the old username needs have a redirect to the new one? If so, could you please restore the redirect? Nanobear (talk) 12:13, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

No worries - it seems that we've uncovered something that could usefully be clarified, which is good. I'll take a look on the specifics, later. --Dweller (talk) 12:14, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation

Hi, Thanks for the invitation. I duly accept your request (Wiki id2(talk) 09:36, 11 January 2011 (UTC))

Duggie Lochhead

Hi! I don't have this book...But I think User:Cattivi does. I've just added informations to the article from a discussion we had at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Duggie Lochhead.--Latouffedisco (talk) 20:02, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I have the 1986 edition of this book. I'm a collector. Bought it years ago in Tony Moyses bookshop in London (Extra Cover). Unfortunately this shop no longer exists. It had a large collection of antique sportsbooks. Tony Moyse was a Ipswich Town historian and wrote several books about them. He died a few years ago. Cattivi (talk) 15:45, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Luciana Berger

Hi Dweller, the below comment:

01:51, 14 January 2011 Rrius (talk | contribs) (10,824 bytes) (There is no obvious reason why this section exists. As Dweller apparently forgot to remove it (see talk), I am doing so now.) (undo)

This made the local press and tv, and was widely condemned. Luciana made an apology afterwards via her twitter feed.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUK351&q=luciana+berger+kelvin+mackenzie&aq=f&oq=

I've removed the reference to the blog post (guido-fawkes), but I beleive the above should stay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.148.215.156 (talk) 10:37, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

User Account Name Change

Hi, I am currently in the process of removing my digital footprint (as much as possible), I don't like the fact that when I Google my name someone can find out so much information it's a breach of my privacy. I know it is impossible to delete a Wikipedia username but I wish to vanish (RtV) as much as possible and I am following the steps outlined on that page. I have requested for my page to be removed already and now just require a name change to anything that does not involve my name - I have no preference so hopefully in time I cannot be found on Google. Thank-you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evankaragiannis (talk • contribs) 08:03, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Done. --Dweller (talk) 11:34, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank-you :) 122.106.166.51 (talk) 13:50, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

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Professor D. Weller, a note...

Here, just in case you didn't see it. I get another appointment with the mainpage!! (As long as Raul doesn't pull it beforehand...) The Rambling Man (talk) 17:59, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Wow. Great stuff. Thanks. --Dweller (talk) 14:31, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Essex

G'day Dweller, I helped the interested parties to set up this wikiproject - and set up Wikipedia:WikiProject Essex/Collaboration as well, as I figured collaborations are one of the best things about wikiprojects. dunno if it'll sink or swim. I helped resurrect the US collaboration at Wikipedia:U.S. Wikipedians' notice board/USCOTM which seems to be getting up a nice head of steam. I think maybe these are good ways of getting more and less experienced editors working together. Anyway, figured some ideas of Essex articles might be good, and you're only just up the road a bit ;) (trying to think of broad articles with lots of gaps so there'd be data gathering as well as ref tweaking etc.) cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:15, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

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Advice needed

Hi there. I see that you have done a lot of work in getting the John Wark article up to featured status. I would be very grateful if you could give your thoughts/tips on getting the Kenny Dalglish article (which I have just begun trying to improve) up to a good standard. Thank you and keep up the good work. Jprw (talk) 12:07, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Pennies

I have left a couple of pence at Talk:Rhodocene and one more at scratch team (I feel a bit as if I have been stalking you today...)

Anyway, if you have the time (or indeed any of your talk page stalkers), I wonder if you think there is any value in this. (Did you know that none of the teams that beat a non-league side in the Fifth Round has gone on to win the FA Cup, but Blackpool and Everton were runners-up in 1948 and 1985 respectively.)

I think a proper article on the "giant-killers" would be good - recentism up to its usual tricks here - but I am finding it remarkably difficult to find good sources. I have a list somewhere with Stafford, Leatherhead, Blyth, Harlow, Telford and Kettering; Bournemouth and Boscombe Athletic in 1957, Worcester City in 1959, Hereford United in 1972, Wimbledon in 1975, Altrincham in 1986, Sutton in 1989, and ... -- Testing times (talk) 20:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Like the contribs. What would you call that article? --Dweller (talk) 13:14, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Something snappy, like List of non-league clubs in the Fifth Round of the FA Cup since 1945, perhaps. (No worse than Sale of UK gold reserves, 1999-2002, a term which only seems to be used by HM Treasury.) If you think it would stand up to scrutiny, I'll move it over to mainspace. -- Testing times (talk) 19:54, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Done it now, but FA_Cup#Giant-killers suggests that these are actually the only non-league clubs to progress to the Fifth Round since Spurs won the Cup as a non-league side in 1901, so perhaps "1945" should read "1901". -- Testing times (talk) 18:32, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Great! --Dweller (talk) 09:19, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

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TCM FAC

Hey thanks for the comments, I really appreciate it.--Tærkast (Communicate) 13:44, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I was wondering if you'd have time to return to the FAC before it closes, which seems really soon, but I'm no expert in closing times of FACs. Thanks, --Tærkast (Communicate) 16:19, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm planning to continue going through the article. I'd prefer it if the FAC doesn't close before then. --Dweller (talk) 16:24, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi there. I noticed that you still had an oppose vote lodged at the TCM FAC, primarily based on the quality of the prose. Apart from my own brief review, I'm in no way involved in the nomination, but it seems to me that since your vote a couple of weeks ago, the writing has been much improved. Would you consider revisiting your opposition? All the best, Steve ^T • C 20:54, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Gunny

I really don't like the fact we have a section 3 with a single subsection 3.1 with its own single subsection 3.1.1. Can we fix this before I delete the article and indef block myself? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:02, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

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Hey

Hope you don't mind that I edited your post. I think that's what you meant. Please revert and hit me with a trout if not... WJBscribe (talk) 14:33, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Bryan Gunn quote

fair do's, I guess he couldn't remember the exact number and was just exaggerating for effect. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 20:06, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Bryan Gunn

Hi there. I don't have a lot of time to contribute much at the moment but I wish you well with it (can see good progress is being made already). Thanks for asking. --NCFCQ (talk) 19:03, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Ooops

In this edit you named a ref but it doesn't exist. I suggest you fix it or face a lifetime ban for disrupting Gunnipedia. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:15, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Renaming

Dear Dweller, please, to complete the unification of my business, you could rename the User:Conrado, if possible? My main wikipedias is eo:Conrado and pt:Conrado. Thanks! 187.86.18.130 (talk) 15:07, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Where are we?

How's Gunny going? You continue to expand, when do we talk about moving on with the FAC itself? The Rambling Man (talk) 11:07, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I think I'm going to need to buy his autobiography and incorporate it. It's far too flimsy on his early life and his NCFC playing career. I think most of the rest of it is good. What do you think? --Dweller (talk) 11:09, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Re: Citations (Battle of Towton)

Wolffe (2001), p. 289: "The indecisive, ambivalent actions which were characteristic of the king before the onset of his madness were now increasingly obvious and rapidly led to an armed clash and politically motivated assassinations in the main street of St Albans on 22 May 1455. This marked the beginning of the longest period of intermittent civil war in English history, which for want of a better title, and by long-established convention, we call the Wars of the Roses." This serves as the source (backed up by Ross's 7 pages of more detailed overview of the politicking then) for the article's opening sentences: "In 1461, England was in the sixth year of the Wars of the Roses ... Henry VI, an indecisive man who suffered bouts of madness. ... escalated into a full-blown conflict." When chunk of information is sourced to a single source, it is acceptable to have a single cite for it (minimum boundary at a paragraph) than for each individual sentence. Henry's mental health is not a disputed issue among historians; the claims are not controversial (i.e. not that "strong" of a claim). Jappalang (talk) 11:24, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm less worried about historians than I am about readers of Wikipedia. Thanks for the quote - I've sourced it already in the article anyway, as I trust you. --Dweller (talk) 11:28, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Credo

Hi Dweller, I emailed Credo about your account, and was told it would be dealt with separately from this latest batch, so I'd say it's almost certain you'll get one. I'll keep in touch with them and you about it, and try to make sure you don't fall through the cracks. SlimVirgin ^{TALK|CONTRIBS} 14:02, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Dweller, just to let you know that the distribution of the Credo accounts is in progress, but so far as I know people haven't received their account details yet. Just wanted you to know in case you were worried you'd been missed again. SlimVirgin ^{TALK|CONTRIBS} 21:09, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Another update: I've just been told the accounts should be ready by the end of the first week of May. SlimVirgin ^{TALK|CONTRIBS} 20:47, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Ronn Torossian

Notice you have edited page. Article seems extremely biased. Torossian has never been featured in media for Israel activities he is prominent due to PR. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronn_Torossian --199.19.186.9 (talk) 21:48, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Royalty Magazine

I saw that you have deleted details of various High Court Judgements! Surely this kind of censorship of public documents is wrong. Where is all the material relating to the five year libel action which acted as a legal precedent? Blatant censorship. Are you connected to the subject in some way or have you taken payment for your actions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silleekhunt (talk • contribs)

Hmm. Let's do this a bit at a time:

Surely this kind of censorship of public documents is wrong. - Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED. But we do require the highest standards of verification from reliable sources for negative material.

Are you connected to the subject in some way or have you taken payment for your actions? I refer you to WP:AGF. Furthermore, throwing around insults isn't the best way to ask for help.

And finally, can I also refer you to WP:BLOCKEVASION --Dweller (talk) 09:39, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Hiya

Thanks for the message on my talkpage. Yep, I'm a City fan and I've done a few edits and tidy-ups on pages related to that. It'd be good to see Gunny's article get featured, so I'll see if I can help with it a bit more. It gives me an excuse to read his book again! Roranicus (talk) 19:04, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

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Gunny autobio

Got it yet? The Rambling Man (talk) 10:34, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Bah, no, I've not even ordered it yet. And no reply here as yet, either. I've also tried various approaches to the man himself, as yet without success, primarily for photos. --Dweller (talk) 10:38, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Get on with it then, man. Let's not let this drop off the radar! The Rambling Man (talk) 10:42, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Lost the dressing room for deletion

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blpn

Hi, in case you didn't notice the ronnin issue was also posted to the blpn. Here - you were not mentioned by name so this is just fyi. I am going to close the thread as resolved - nothing to see, regards. Off2riorob (talk) 16:02, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Cheers. From my dungeon, this is --Dweller (talk) 16:05, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Response

I responded to the coment you posted on my talk page. —Preceding undated comment added 02:49, 18 April 2011 (UTC).

Don't..

.. even mention it. Happy bank holiday(s). The Rambling Man (talk) 21:22, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Don't even mention what ? --Dweller (talk) 21:40, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

interview request

Hello, My name is Natalia Olaru and I am a final year master student in the Corporate Communication programme at the Aarhus School of Business in Denmark. I am currently working on my final paper on the topic of the motivation of users to create content on collaborative media websites, the focus being Wikipedia. As a sample I chose the English and Danish portals. I would like to invite you for an online interview on the topic of what motivates you, as a user, to participate in editing and creating articles for this platform. Your real identity, and wikipedia account will be kept confidential through the paper. I plan on doing the actual interviews in the period between 6st and the 15th of May via Skype, MSN, Google Talk or Yahoo Messenger. I am, however, open to other channels of communication too. Please let me know if you would like to participate in this interview and the preferred channel. Thank you, Natalia Olaru Email: natalia.ioana.olaru@gmail.com --MulgaEscu (talk) 12:10, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

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Credo

Hi Dweller, the Credo emails have been sent out with the account details. Just want to make sure you got yours. SlimVirgin ^{TALK|CONTRIBS} 13:09, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Glad to hear it. Sorry again that you experienced that delay. Cheers, SlimVirgin ^{TALK|CONTRIBS} 13:24, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

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We can talk here if you like. Lc--92.25.237.156 (talk) 11:42, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I would choose a new name for editing and promise not to sock any more.But

I would prefere it if only you knew my new name so as to avoid possible harassment from other editors with a grudge against me.--92.25.237.156 (talk) 11:49, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello. Please drop me an email - it's enabled. --Dweller (talk) 13:04, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I will only contact you by email if you keep my email address strictly confidential. I mean that it must not be discloseded to ANYONE on or off Wiki. You must never give my email to anyone or allow it to be seen by anyone. Maessage to your email must be deleted once read.

Also that email contact will only be used for me to advise you of my new user name and in matters of extreme urgency or secrecy subsequently. All other comms to be on wiki user talk. Do you solemnly promise to adhere to those conditions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.25.237.156 (talk) 17:01, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm not going to encourage banned editors to edit Wikipedia against the terms of their ban. Any further correspondence on this page from banned editors will have to be subject to RBI. I will however happily discuss with banned editors by email. If someone has concerns over privacy, disposable email addresses are readily available. But if anyone seriously doubts my integrity, perhaps I'm not the right person to help them. --Dweller (talk) 13:16, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Overdue

		The Featured Article Medal
		Dweller, given the number of featured articles that you have authored, it appears that this is overdue. Keep it up. MrMedal (talk) 15:11, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

May I ask for a third opinion please

Hello Dweller, you commented on AfD for Abraham Reuel, may I please ask to state your opinion on the two last sections at the article's talk page, in particular the section named "IP edits reinstated" and the section named "Single-sentence mention in Chronicle". Thank you for your time.--Mbz1 (talk) 06:46, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Milly

Been moved back again by LM... The Rambling Man (talk) 18:24, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I just read WP:RM, which says "In some situations the appropriateness of a move may be under dispute, and discussion is necessary in order to reach a consensus. There is no obligation to list such move requests here." so I think your move was perfectly justified. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:21, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Ooh, just saw this. Wild. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:40, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Ouch, this old diff is A-MA-ZING. Zing. Sockpuppet-tastic. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:46, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Curious! --Dweller (talk) 12:31, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Ton français

Si tu est interessé au grammaire de français, tu aurais dû dire "Tu ne comprends pas? Cliquez ici, svp, pour aider. Excusez mon pauvre Francais...!" au lieu de "Non comprend? Cliquez ici, svp, pour aider. Et excusez mon pauvre Francais...!". ~~EBE123~~ ^talk_Contribs 22:02, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Swedish block

Here is a contribution on the Swedish talk page of the Shehitah (skäktning = religious slaughter) article:

Actually, regardless, relying on myself as a person, but I can also turn to everyone here who edits. We are biological beings, and like other creatures, we can feel stress, anxiety, pain, etc.. There is really nothing that separates us from other animals. If anyone got the idea that hanging me upside down or otherwise depriving me of my freedom, starting to cut my throat and letting me bleed to death while in a fixed position, I would feel myself extremely vulnerable, defenseless, feel pain, become stressed and so Furthermore, while life literally drains out of me. Then in any case a bolt in my head would be much more humane. Is there any research independent of the particular religion) that shows that Jewish ritual slaughter does not create unnecessary suffering for animals while they bleed to death? DNM (d | b) March 30, 2011, at. 20:54 (CEST)

I quite understand that discussing the actual controversy itself is a different matter from discussing what reliable research says (or does not say) and formulating arguments around how the text is to be expressed.

Bringing up the question: "Is religious slaughter humane (or not)? will get us nowhere. Surely the Swedish admins should have made a comment here not to discuss the core question of a controversy that has been going on since 1849, and instead digging up reliable sources that outline the core arguments.

My response "All slaughter is cruel." (a quote from Lewin, a key author) I think was erased.

It has to be mentioned that in this controversy there are enormous financial interests (the meat industry). and great sensitivity. RPSM (talk) 14:38, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

User rename

Hi, thanks for the user rename. But it seems something's not right. The account is not displayed here. It's still connected to the old SUL. Is there a way to fix that?--Dreynner (talk) 16:36, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello. The toolserver is having a few hiccups - and has been for a few days. Take a look in your preferences and see if it's unified there? --Dweller (talk) 10:13, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

It states 'Not using unified account'. So I think it's correct after all. Yes, it's probably a toolserver delay. Thanks for the respond.--Dreynner (talk) 11:38, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

... and we had Gunn, Gunn, Gunn 'til my daddy took my T-bird away ...

So, bag it and tag it, why is this still a redlink?! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:22, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Another interaction ban proposal for Sarek and TT

I have proposed another interaction ban between TreasuryTag and SarekOfVulcan. Since you commented in the last ban discussion that failed to gain consensus I am notifying you of this one. See - Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Propose_interaction_ban_between_TreasuryTag_and_SarekOfVulcan_2. Cheers.Griswaldo (talk) 22:01, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Daddles

Come on, a few more characters and this is a charming DYK. Need 1,500 in prose, no section headings etc. Let's do it. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:19, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Sweet, OK. --Dweller (talk) 16:21, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Nah, off to somewhere genuinely unknown, as a consequence of other half's pater becoming a Sexagenarian, family hols off on the sly to pastures uncertain. But two weeks of unknown access, so I appreciate your offer of making sure the place doesn't self-combust!! Will finish up the D-bird and nom in due course if you haven't already. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and I went ahead and did the nom. It'll be several days before it comes to anything I'm sure, but perhaps you'll be able to handle any comments? Shouldn't be a big deal. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:21, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Woot. Got the go-ahead. Now just the ten day wait until it hits top of the queue.. Note, remember British Film Institute Fellowship which I nommed at DYK well over a week ago? That'll finally hit main page in the next 12 hours... ! The Rambling Man (talk) 19:46, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Gunnster

Whenever you add references, tell me first, you used a HYPHEN in a page range! Man alive. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:07, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

John Wark's moustache. (That's about the rudest thing I'm prepared to say, onwiki) --Dweller (talk) 20:07, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm stalking you. Just so you know. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:18, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

One more thing, you have a fellow Budgie insisting a losing appearance in an FA Cup semi is an "Honour" for your club. I guess it's because you haven't won much lately, but really, a losing semi-finalist isn't an honour in the real sense of the word, is it? The Rambling Man (talk) 15:14, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed that. It's not an honour. It's an amazing achievement. --Dweller (talk) 15:28, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

So I'll advocate we rename the section "Amazing achievements" and you can add 1p5wich to it too? The Rambling Man (talk) 15:29, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I understand the decision to group events the way you have, and to exercise discretion as to what goes in. Its certainly far preferable to the all-too-common temptation to create some kind of turgid proseline simply to preserve chronology. My thinking was that the part of Gunn's career he is best known for is his time playing with Norwich, so that should be the focal section. Meant more as food for thought than something I'd call essential. If there's little that would make interesting reading that's fine. I put next to nothing about Bert Trautmann's late club career, for example, as the rest was so much more interesting. Oldelpaso (talk) 10:47, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

A shame there's not any more source material available about playing style, but there's not a lot you can do about that. I have to admit that from my memories of seeing him I'd struggle to describe his style of play beyond "Middling 80s/90s keeper, better than someone like Alec Chamberlain but not in the class of people like Neville Southall". Incidentally, this popped up on WSC yesterday. Oldelpaso (talk) 21:24, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Soccer!

Soccer isn't awful! It's as Canadian as Tim Hortons, is all. Sorry for the mistakes. I am going for breakfast and will have time to do a little more on the article this morning before I go to my event. --Ninja Diannaa ^(Talk) 14:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Lol. No worries. To my British ears, "soccer" is toe-curling! --Dweller (talk) 15:12, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

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My block on Swedish Wikipedia

I don't suppose you got anywhere with this (?). RPSM (talk) 17:42, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Struggling to find an admin there that speaks English. Can you help point me to a user page? --Dweller (talk) 10:49, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I have to log out in a couple of minutes, but will come back with info. RPSM (talk) 12:56, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but any Swedish wikipedia admin who claims not to be able to speak English is almost certainly pulling your plonker.--feline1 (talk) 20:35, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

No need to worry about my plonker. None of them claimed not to speak English. Thank goodness for that. --Dweller (talk) 10:46, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Glossary of association football terms

The DYK project (nominate) 08:06, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Robin Friday

Hi Dweller, I hope all is going well that side. I'm just looking for a bit of input onto the Robin Friday article, which I'm presently working up to Featured status. I'm after your opinion on a sourcing issue, to be more specific: There is only one book about Friday, The Greatest Footballer You Never Saw, which naturally is cited rather a lot because there aren't many other sources. However, the book is made up almost entirely of interview extracts and match reports taken from the Reading Evening Post and South Wales Echo, so as long as all quotes and so on are credited (which they are), I'm thinking that it may not count as over-reliance. I'm not sure, so that's why I'm asking your opinion. Anyway, if you get a few minutes I'm sure you'd enjoy giving it a quick read, and your opinion on the sourcing matter would be appreciated. Baie dankie, keep well! – Cliftonian^{the orangey bit} 22:33, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Not in much today... I'll take a peek tomorrow, hopefully. --Dweller (talk) 10:45, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks bru. – Cliftonian^{the orangey bit} 04:57, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I deliberately attempted to condense the references into paragraph blocks to keep the numbers down, but I'll have a go at beefing them up. – Cliftonian^{the orangey bit} 23:20, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Have a look now, I've split the references up like you suggested. – Cliftonian^{the orangey bit} 01:43, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Contacting you regarding Frumster edits

I just saw your message to me saying I should contact you via the "Email this user" button on your page. However I see no such button on your page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.90.241.213 (talk) 11:56, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

It's right there, on the left hand side of this page... but it's not a button, it's a link. --Dweller (talk) 16:17, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

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Hi! I'm sv:Användare:Niklas R. How may i be of assistance? Niklas R^Talk_page 23:14, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Good to see that someone answered the request. /MikaelLindmark (talk) 23:46, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Drop the Pilot

Hello, you asked what Joan Armatrading's "Drop the Pilot" is about.

The singer is suggesting to another woman that she drop her current (male) lover and take up with her (the singer). ("My aim is straight.") The pilot and the mahout (an elephant driver) are metaphors for the male lover. The singer is saying that she could give give her desired a better ride if she would do so; that she could give her everything she needs (animal, mineral, physical, spiritual). "Don't use your army to fight a losing battle" means you cannot resist me. "Kissing cousins" suggests that there is no passion in the other woman's current relationship.

In case you didn't know, Joan is gay.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Cheers!74.190.132.112 (talk) 02:55, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Ah, that does seem to work, thanks. I'll listen to it again soon and check it out. Thank you. --Dweller (talk) 22:09, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Daddles

Well, thank you for this article Victuallers (talk) 08:03, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

My permanent block until further notice on Swedish Wiklipedia

You have been given incorrect information. I am not able to edit my own user page on Swedish Wikipedia, or anything else at all. I cannot defend myself on the Swedish Wikipedia as I can write nothing there - not even on my own personal page and the block is permanent. RPSM (talk) 11:01, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I was not able to write a plea on Swedish Wikipedia because I was blocked from writing anything there and still am. Perhaps I could write a request on the English Wikipedia to be unblocked on the Swedish Wikipedia because I never had a chance to do it there and I can write nothing there. RPSM (talk) 11:19, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

(Thanks for trying)RPSM (talk) 11:20, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

English Wikipedia is not right place. Try http://meta.wikimedia.org/ --94.199.40.135 (talk) 11:22, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Jag har en klar åsikt i att samtliga som uppenbarligen har en agenda och gång på gång inte kan följa NPOV, utan envisas med med att lägga in kraftigt vinklade texter, utan att vilja ta en saklig diskussion, bör blockeras. Inte blockeras kortsiktigt, utan blockeras för evigt. Dessa personer har inget intresse i att skriva en neutral och saklig encyklopedi, utan är värre än klottrarna. Mer effektiva metoder för att upprätthålla friheten att skapa en fri och neutral encyklopedi måste upprättas. Och det snart, innan de vinklade artiklarna tar över Wikipedia totalt.

Grillo (who blocked me on Swedish Wikipedia) writes on his home page:

"I have a clear opionion that those who obviously have an agenda and time and again cannot follow NPOV, but stubbornly write heavily slanted texts, without wanting to have a rational discussion, ought to be blocked. Not on a short-time basis, but blocked permanently. These people have no interest in wrtiting a neutral and factual encyclopedia, and they are worse than klottrare (graffiti nerds?/scribblers). More effective methods for supporting the freedom to create a free and neutral encyclopedia must be found and that without delay, before the slanted articles take over Wikipedia entirely."

My original inspiration was an admin called Shirahadasha here on enwikipedia and HG. One or the other said I should go ahead and gather source material (which I have done). I put it on the Swedish version, and there were lots of hurt feelings and not much serious argument. RPSM (talk) 11:46, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Both of these admins deal exclusively with Jewish subjects (I think) but that seems to be a no no in itself on Swedish wikipedia. Keep off controversial subjects seems to be the message there. If the cultures are different, can we have some clear definitions and guidelines? RPSM (talk) 11:49, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Shall we discuss here? --Dweller (talk) 12:09, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Let me just interupt and say that neither the block log nor the log for RPSMs talkpage on svwp indicate any problem what so ever to edit there. Instead RPSm today claimed (in addition to another wall of text and accusations of being bullied) on svwp that he couldn't edit the page because of a computer problem. I tried to help RPSM in February, but got no reply on more specifically what he/she wanted help with and instead the walls of text continued and the accusations against other wikipedians as well until a block was set in place in April. You of course choose where you spend your time. GameOn (talk) 14:47, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I think one of the swedish admins changed the block settings for RPSM's talk page, but I could be wrong. The walls of text are a serious problem. --Dweller (talk) 14:57, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Instead of assuming things, based on information from a blocked user, I suggest that you in the future check the facts - especially if someone else says something different from the blocked user. Neither the the log for the talk page or the block log shows that it should have been impossible for RPSM to edit. GameOn (talk) 05:55, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Erm, does it matter? Does it change what I'm trying to achieve? For what it's worth, I've already indicated I don't speak swedish and I can't navigate your pages very easily, as the characters don't render on the machine I use, but really, was it worth giving me a hard time over that? --Dweller (talk) 08:33, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I had experienced a technical glitch earlier when I wrote a Swedish article on Blood Libel Suddenly could not edit anything as there were no edit tags appearing. [2]. As my honesty and truthfulness is being contested, I submit this link as evidence that I had tried to draw attention to the problem at an earlier date. RPSM (talk) 08:55, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

The original reason for the walls of text was that when I initially tried to edit the Swedish article on Skäktning my edits were repeatedly reverted angain and again by Swedish administrators who did not seem to thoroughly understand the subject matter and did not initiate discussion. As the form is said to be to discuss to avoid conflict, I wrote on the discussion page but had little response. (one exception) The complete lack of dialogue and communication on this subject matter (Religious Slaughter) has been noted in an entirely different context - DIALREL - a EU project to initiate dialogue between Jews, Muslims and the meat industry on the subject of Religious Slaughter. I wrote the Swedish article (DIALREL) all by myself with hardly any help[3]. Sweden was not one of the countries invnolved in the project, and scathing criticism of the lack of communication and also bad practices in non-religious slaughterhouses (electrical stunning) was made by Professor Regensberg on the web. (The references in the Swedish article are all in English. Religious Slaughter, I would say is the most controversial topic around after the Israel/Palestine conflict. So a large part of the problem lies in the nature of the subject matter. It is dynamite. RPSM (talk) 09:12, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Re. editor review

Well you tried anyway :P [4] ╟─TreasuryTag►consulate─╢ 11:07, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Powersville, Missouri

FYI, I fixed your beef with Powersville, Missouri Wiki by changing it from city to village. Took me all of 30 seconds. Less time than it took you to post about it on that articles Discussion page and the Wiki Project Missouri page. You're obviously an experienced editor so why not just change it yourself, move on, and save everyone some time? Just MHO Sector001 (talk) 19:18, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm grateful you made the edit. I'd happily apologise for not making the edit myself, except I could not have done so. I do not have any knowledge (let alone a reliable source) as to whether Powersville is a city, village, town or whatever. I know from the article City that some American cities can be as small as several hundred residents. Glad someone saw my message - the reason I posted at the Missouri Wikiproject page was to attract the attention of an expert like yourself. I do like beef, but I prefer it seasoned with AGF. --Dweller (talk) 12:47, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Bryan Gunn

Hi. I see you speak en-5, so hopefully can understand this message better than I understand Spanish! I noticed that you speedy deleted Bryan Gunn. I'm surprised there was no message on my talk page that the article was being considered for deletion, or had been deleted. Gunn is definitely notable. If you can let me know what you need as a reference, I can easily provide it (see the en: article). I presume references in English are acceptable. Please could you also post the original text to my userspace. Thanks --Dweller (discusión) 21:42 19 jun 2011 (UTC)

Hi, the reason for the deletion of that article was its size. I provide you the text, but please enlarge it a bit and include some references. Regards, Poco² 17:58, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

'''Bryan James Gunn''', (nacido de [[1963]] en [[Thurso]], [[Escocia]]), es un ex [[Fútbol|futbolista]] [[Escocia|escocés]] famoso en los [[años 1980]] y principios de los [[años 1990]]. Debutó en [[1982]] por [[Aberdeen F.C.]], [[Hibernian F.C.]] y principios [[Norwich City F.C.]] y se retiró en [[1999]]. [[da:Bryan Gunn]] [[en:Bryan Gunn]] [[eo:Bryan Gunn]] [[fr:Bryan Gunn]] [[gd:Bryan Gunn]] [[he:בריין גאן]] [[it:Bryan Gunn]] [[la:Bryan Gunn]] [[pl:Bryan Gunn]] [[pt:Bryan Gunn]] [[sco:Bryan Gunn]] [[simple:Bryan Gunn]]

Thank you. I'm not sure how big it needs to be to meet your criteria? --Dweller (talk) 14:58, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Undeletion

Hi Dweller,

Thank you for closing my RfA as successful back in March and directing me to the new admin school. I've been taking things fairly slowly in trying out the tools, as was suggested to me, so I'm only getting around to article restoration now. If an article has been deleted by another administrator after an expired proposed deletion and I now wish to contest the deletion, should I go through the process of requesting undeletion or is it fine for me to undelete the article myself and then notify the nominator and the deleting administrator of the restoration? Any advice you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Neelix (talk) 15:28, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

That's an interesting question. Wikipedia:CONTESTED implies you need to go through the hoops, but if you have the tools yourself, that seems a little silly. I don't think anyone would mind if you restored it and added something that attests better to notability (hopefully with a source!). Even better would be to drop the deleting admin a quick line to say what you've done and why. Alternatively, you could begin a debate at the policy talkpage about amending the text there to clarify one way or the other for admins. Nice to hear from you... --Dweller (talk) 15:48, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Dweller,

Thanks for getting back to me so quickly! I have followed your advice and have started a discussion here to suggest that the policy be altered. Feel free to comment there if you are interested.

Neelix (talk) 18:29, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Tone of my post

I'm not altogether sure what context "gosh" was meant. I realise that my reply was a little sentimental; so I thought I might explain. The thing is that I've been working a lot in WP:NPP recently. About 99% of the time I get it right, and get an ear full (or an eye full, I guess) from the article creators. Then the one time in 100 when I get it wrong I get an ear full from the admins. It's very soul draining. I can handle the comments from the article creators. But I never get any thanks from the community for the 99 correct tags, but I get a hard time for the one wrong one. It's all stick and no carrot. — Fly by Night (talk) 21:41, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Response to speedy tagging of Ron Tarrant

I disagree that the article was not suitable for a speedy delete - the first reference is to the band's own page; and every other single reference does not support the statement made but simply is to the website or university referred to (homepage). The article by no means manages to determine its notability and indeed reads as a CV with useless references - clearly a personal attempt to boost his profile. Reichsfürst (talk) 06:10, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I realise you say that if it makes a claim to notability then speedy isn't suitable but the lead paragraph is representative of the whole - simply stating where he majored. Later on a couple of half-attempts are made but none constitute a reasonable claim to notability. Otherwise half the pages would never get speedied because the editor adds 'He is notable'. Reichsfürst (talk) 06:14, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for your messages, which are passionate and polite - two great "p"s. There's a big difference between a self-promoting article that says "xxxxx is a notable radio producer" and the article about Tarrant, which includes several claims to notability and a bunch of references. I'm sorry if that slows down the deletion procedure, but that's policy. I suggest an AfD may be appropriate for this chap, but speedy is inapporpriate. I'm glad you take the time trawling new pages and looking for junk - I think sometimes it can get difficult to see the wood for the trees. --Dweller (talk) 10:13, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Alright I'll bear that in mind, thanks. Reichsfürst (talk) 13:40, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Request for internationalization of my de.WP account

Hi, I have a user account in the German WP (tmfroehlich) which I would also like to use to contribute to the English WP. I tried to internationalize my account but failed, because tmfroehlich is occupied in the English user space. The person behind that account seems not to be very active and I wonder if I could take it over. I was advised to ask here by German administrators. Please let me know if this is the right approach and if so, what will happen next. Kind regards,

Tmfroehlich (talk) 14:58, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm puzzled. You've posted here using the en: account User:Tmfroehlich. What account is it that you would like to be able to usurp? --Dweller (talk) 15:33, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for the confusion. I had just tried to login to en.WP with my German credentials and than wrote this post. Maybe my earlier request for internationalization got further than I thought. I did not do anything else with the English account not wanting to step on somebodies toes. Shall I just create an English user page for me and that's it?

Regards, Tmfroehlich (talk) 16:03, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Dweller, I was just able to solve the issue myself. The automatic merging procedure was stuck due to a wrong password (my fault). I corrected this and finished the procedure. It's fine now. Please accept my apologies for this mess. Regards, Tmfroehlich (talk) 16:11, 28 June 2011 (UTC).

Excellent result and no need for apologies... wilkommen! --Dweller (talk) 06:48, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

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Odp:FARC commentary

I asked you about one problem, can you reply? Bulwersator (talk) 16:02, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

It's good that you know more about cricket than do I...

Thanks for your correction at [5]. -- Natalya 20:09, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

btw,

thanks for the comments at the Katyn Massacre FAR. They are useful. If you find anything else please let me know, regardless of whether the article gets relisted or not. I think that having the article continue to improve is more important than whether or not it has FA status. So thanks.Volunteer Marek (talk) 20:30, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

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Any chance you can put back the Alcohol section, especially the PI quote? It's relevant to his standing as a journalist and unoffensive - best - Gavinturner (talk) 00:47, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Dweller, thanks for your good work on Nick Cohen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Guy (Help!) 16:29, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Belated thanks! --Dweller (talk) 10:50, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Your question

You must be mistaken regarding your question here; I've never pursued an RFA in the past. Tyrol5 [Talk] 13:11, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Ha, yes, I just noticed before heading here. It's your username - made it look like it's your [at least] fifth RfA... Actually, it might be worth you pointing out in your nomination that this is your first RfA, although do so carefully, because most RfA !voters aren't as stupid as I've just been. --Dweller (talk) 13:14, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

It's quite alright; it happens to even the best of us! Tyrol5 [Talk] 13:15, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

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Welcome to the team. I name-dropped you on BN. There's a sparsely-used mailing list - it's almost exclusively for RTV stuff that can't be discussed onwiki for privacy reasons. If you'd like to join it, you're welcome, but there's no compulsion. Other Crats have, in the past, opted not to, and there's enough of us on there (see the chart on WP:CRAT) to handle the meagre amount of traffic. Up to you. --Dweller (talk) 09:25, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I was actually wondering about that; I think I would like to sign up, just in case I need it for anything. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:45, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

OK... click here! --Dweller (talk) 10:47, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

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On en.wiki is user, which uses my nick (User:Marcelus, my user page on polish wikipedia: pl:Wikipedysta:Marcelus). He so far, has not done any edit. Could you change his username, so i will can create a unified login and start to editing?79.163.41.94 (talk) 23:01, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Please visit WP:CHU/SUL --Dweller (talk) 11:43, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

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Aggers

Learning from Gunny, don't forget to look at what links to Aggers. The Bee Gees?! The Rambling Man (talk) 11:34, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Cool. "On 7 September 2009, Robin Gibb disclosed to Jonathan Agnew that he had been in touch with Barry Gibb and that they had agreed that the Bee Gees would re-form and "perform again".[21]" --Dweller (talk) 11:42, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Sharjah Cricket Association Stadium is perhaps more pertinent... The Rambling Man (talk) 11:44, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Current ref 37 don't link to naaaarfin boi. What was it supposed to link to? Otherwise, all other ref formats sorted (until FAC where people tell me I'm shit at that too...!) The Rambling Man (talk) 17:44, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Note, have you seen Graham Gooch's article? Wow. Real poor. Perhaps we can look at his next? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:49, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your invitation to participate in the development of the Jonathan Agnew article. I shall be delighted to do so. Unfortunately I am rather pressed for time at the moment, but, if you let me know when you are satisfied with the content of the article, I will try to find time to copyedit it again. Old Father Time (talk) 17:45, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Current ref 27 don't link to naarfin boi. See if you can get to the page in two steps rather than one, i.e. search on Agnew then select the JP Agnew from there, that might work. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:45, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Bah and phooey. Thanks. --Dweller (talk) 11:48, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Can't do it. Any ideas? --Dweller (talk) 15:03, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

What search results are you trying to get? The Rambling Man (talk) 16:02, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Is this the sort of thing you were after? The Rambling Man (talk) 16:05, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm trying to ref his early season form in 1985 being consistently good (prompting the call up to the England side) but when I specify a season, the oracle gives a generic url. --Dweller (talk) 12:59, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article review/Katyn massacre/archive1

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Nominate at WP:TFL

Hello boss. How's about nominating our old chestnut (and possibly our most "universal" work) England national football team manager for WP:TFL? Might need some dead links fixing and checking that Fabio's stats are up to date, but other than that it should be good to go....? The Rambling Man (talk) 12:08, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Eh? It's an FA, not a FL! --Dweller (talk) 11:48, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Oh yeah, bugger, I forgot that. It was supposed to be list and then got out of control, didn't it? The Rambling Man (talk) 11:57, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

To be fair to us (!), I think we envisioned it as a list, but then found that the explanatory text was getting so big (and with so much left to say) that it was more appropriate to make it an FA. --Dweller (talk) 12:00, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

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anxious and worried

I am anxious and worried about the business you tried to help me with. I wonder, should I just forget everything and walk away? Because following up stuff could get me into more trouble. In the large view, Wikipedia needs editors who can sort out difficult subjects. Niklas said it was a waste (ditching me from the Swedish WP) But a sensible strategy would be to pick up my things and go and put the research I have done into some article under my own name and retain my copyright to get rid of bother and frustration. This is an exchange I had recently [6]RPSM (talk) 08:37, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

and this: Your message at Talk:GameOnJag fick ett meddelande på min svenska diskussionssida att du kontaktat GameOn, och jag har läst vad du skrivit på hans diskussionssida här. Jag uppskattar att du tar dig tid att gå tillbaka och reda ut de problem som har varit. Tack för omtanken. Ursäkten är så klart accepterad.Sjö (talk) 08:49, 10 August 2011 (UTC) translation: I received a message on my Swedish talk page that you contacted GameOn, and I read what you wrote on his talk page here. I appreciate that you took the time to go back and sort out the problems that arose. Thank you for being so considerate. Your apology, is, of course accepted. Sjö (talk)RPSM (talk) 08:52, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Respect your block there. Work well here, collaborating with others, discussing sensibly. Good material here can always be translated into Swedish. Why be anxious and worried? This is supposed to be a hobby. If you don't like Wikipedia, no-one is forcing you to be here... find something else you enjoy. --Dweller (talk) 10:17, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

worried that things spin out of control. I added something here:[7].RPSM (talk) 10:47, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

And now, this: [8] Am I creating difficulties for myself by overreacting and being aggressive, or is it best to get it off my chest as I did? RPSM (talk) 09:19, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

On Sjö's talk page (last edit) [9] he says he has been deeply emotionally affected by the edit conflict about Jewish and Muslim slaughtering (banned in Sweden in the 1930s because of influence from Hitler Germany) and he would feel better if I kept away and did not ever contact him. He is responsible for requesting a block for me on Swedish Wikipedia. His psychological wellbeing is affected by me having any contact whatsoever with him. My block on Swedish WP seems to be motivated by emotional considerations. RPSM (talk) 10:19, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't know what you stand to gain by pursuing this editor for a retraction. All you're doing is making yourself look bad. You're damaging his "psychological wellbeing" more by hounding him here. Just drop it. Your ban on Swedish Wikipedia is not entirely because of him and if he gave in and apologised fulsomely, you wouldn't be welcomed back there tomorrow. --Dweller (talk) 21:26, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

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Dweller, I didn't want to post this on the AN page, but I saw you'd written that you'd failed with your mentorship with TT. I disagree, you didn't fail. TT failed to listen to you. There's a big difference. You made a reasonable request and he refused it. It's on him now. Thanks for making the attempt! @-Kosh► Talk to the Vorlons►Moon Base Alpha-@ 11:15, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the supportive comments. They mean a lot. --Dweller (talk) 15:55, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I can only second, third and fourth Kosh's words. I have been a around TT's WP:DRAMA for years now - sometimes from afar and sometimes closer - and I can only admire your AGF attempt to help. TT has pushed beyond the edges of WP:NOTTHERAPY for a long time and the only mentor that he would approve of is one that said that all his editing is peachy keen. The only other thing I can say is keep up your good work here and there aren't enough barnstars available to give to you for your efforts. MarnetteD | Talk 07:12, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

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• Hey Dweller, just thought I drop by and leave this to cheer you up. Allow me, you're like Morpheus from the Matrix: "I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it." Unfortunately, that was his last chance as I paraphrased him again: "This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill -- the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill -- you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes." Best and out. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 12:07, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

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I'd be happy to provide more info, but I think you've already captured there the limit of my knowledge... other than it's still happening. And it's really, really annoying. --Dweller (talk) 09:33, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

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Hopefully this will energize you to do even more amazing stuff on here. =) Thanks for everything you do, Dweller! Pinkstrawberry02™ talk 01:35, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

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Very cute sarcasm.

Whatever. --98.221.192.218 (talk) 12:39, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I'd happily accept the praise, but I don't know which of my 40,000 edits you're referring to. --Dweller (talk) 12:42, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

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It's been suggested, at the bottom of the page of this discussion, that I "…approach a respected Wikipedia bureaucrat, and have said ‘crat assign a closing admin to this, who should be entrusted with carefully parsing the above arguments to see which side of the debate is best grounded in Wikipedia’s policies."  On the assumption that you are such a respected individual, I wonder if you might undertake to do so to see about arranging closure of this RM discussion (which encompasses all topics on the talk page) (as requested by another user on 2011-10-21 [last Friday]).  Thx — Who R you? Talk 03:07, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Replied at Talk:Marek Židlický --Dweller (talk) 10:25, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Dweller; Thank you for your time and attention on this.  I'll attempt to find any double-redirects and take care of them.  If you'd like, I can attempt to clean-up the formatting issues created by the close template substitutions, but I don't really think it's too much of an issue.  But, if you'd like, I'm sure I could figure out how to fix it and I'll leave it to you to LMK if it's needed; otherwise I'll assume that, as an archive, formatting as such is relatively unimportant and meanwhile I'll look at the issue of double-redirects.  Have a great weekend! — Who R you? Talk 15:49, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Dweller. With regard to the way you used a common sense approach there and explained your reasoning in plain-speak: is that allowed on Wikipedia?? Ballsy, man. This must be a no-B.S. zone. Greg L (talk) 16:56, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

P.S. I fixed (∆ edit, here ), the close-out template at Talk:Marek Zidlicky. The end of the div had to be moved to the bottom. Greg L (talk) 17:53, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

This was, while done in good faith, an inappropriate way to close a hotly debated RM on an issue where the community has not formed a consensus. Regarding the circumstances, you were contacted by the most vocal participant in the discussion (who had previously canvassed five others from his "side" to comment). Having been put in a position of a special admin needed to save Wikipedia from policy being ignored, you did not arrive to the discussion like RM regulars. As debates involving diacritics tend to be contentious, they are usually closed by the regulars who know this dispute inside out. So, why did you not leave the discussion to be closed by someone experienced in that area of the project and not hand-picked by an involved user?

Regarding your closure, you cite COMMONNAME, like the supporters, but the move is not supported by this policy but by your interpretation of it; the stretching of this principle to always cover the most common spelling (includes diacritics, capitalization, hyphens/dashes...) of the common name is not supported by consensus and was in the slight minority in the recent RFC. You also did not respond to the 5P concerns (Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and incorporates elements of other reference works), the NOTBURO argument (actual practice on Czech people) or to the BLP point of getting the article right (well-sourced unencyclopedic material is rejected from BLPs all the time). Furthermore, people usually want their name spelled correctly and, as this is supported in proper English and the practice by other encyclopedias, there is seemingly very little reason not to do so. It is also easy to demonstrate, as you seem to have guessed, that your closure differs dramatically from those of others. In my opinion, by claiming that the other five admins who participated in the discussion "argued passionately" but don't know policy, you seem to have accepted the super admin position. Prolog (talk) 21:01, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

It is both surprising and unsettling to see an Admin arguing on the User talk page of the Admin/Bureaucrat who did nothing more than close a discussion based upon their reading of the discussion.  If you'd like to continue arguing this decided matter, which I am fully prepared to do, please do so by creating a new section on the talk page where the rest of this discussion took place.  I am, and no doubt everyone else involved (including the closer) is, still watching the page.  Please do not privately badger an Admin, or anyone else, on or off of their talk page!  I'll be watching for you to  CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION HERE .  Any continuation of this matter on this talk page Prolog and I will immediately proceed to ANI regarding your inappropriate actions here. — Who R you? Talk 21:37, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

My comment was directed at Dweller, and you are clearly unfamiliar with the way Wikipedia works. Prolog (talk) 22:06, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

• Indeed, you may complain to Dweller all you please on his own talk page until he asks you to go fly a kite and stay away from his talk page. But badgering those in power—particularly in a collaborative writing environment where everyone is a volunteer trying to do their best—is seldom super-wise. Now…

  Since the central tenet of your complaint doesn’t appear to be that Dweller has some sort of serious personality disorder or chronic B.O. (topics that ought to be addressed on individuals’ talk pages) and since the bone you have to pick is over the decision he made when closing the RfC, and since much of your above complaint regarding the slings and arrows of great misfortune pertains to details of the proper use of diacritics with regard to Czech individuals in general, and Marek Zidlicky in particular, the proper way to continue this discussion is to continue it over there, where editors who take an interest in these sort of issues have a better opportunity to see and participate; the sunshine of public scrutiny helps to sanitize weak and infected arguments. Greg L (talk) 01:40, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Prolog. Apologies for not replying yesterday - I didn't want to respond to your post in a heated manner so thought waiting a day might help.

I'm glad you appreciate my "good faith" but the charge of "inappropriate" closure is rather shocking. If you merely disagreed with the way I called the consensus, that'd be fine. I accepted in my close that with such a close vote-count there would be people who disagreed, but "inappropriate"? You seem to be arguing that only a small cabal of admins should be permitted to close these requests - and that I totally disagree with. You also seem to be arguing it was inappropriate of me to close it because one of the participants to the debate invited me to close it, as if that would somehow have skewed my opinion. That's ridiculous and insulting in equal measure.

I'd happily have engaged with you on detailed discussion of the close, here or at the article talk, but frankly, the way you set up the discussion makes it seem pointless: fundamentally you believe my action was inappropriate, so the detail is a waste of time. --Dweller (talk) 11:38, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

I just became aware of this RM and your close of it. While most US residents give up their diacritics and I have no problem with reflecting this in our articles, I think you gave too much credence to some invalid anti-diacritics arguments that you will probably encounter in other discussions again. "To further make that point, we should be clear that unless and until consensus changes in core policies such as WP:COMMONNAME diacritics are not ideal, but should be used where appropriate." I am not sure what you mean by that, precisely, but it makes you sound biased against diacritics, when in fact all the English-language authorities that are most careful about language recommend their use or just use them themselves (e.g. Britannica, Webster's Dictionary of Geographical Names, Chicago Manual of Style), fully consistent with how Wikipedia is using them in roughly 4% of our article titles. WP:COMMONNAME is primarily about names not about spelling of names. That's an important distinction, because in many places which are not encyclopedias or dictionaries, diacritics are dropped systematically for technical reasons. Most notably this is the case for wire news, although many quality newspapers go to great lengths to restore diacritics to the extent practicable -- as you can verify with their style guides. Basically we have to decide whether we want to be an encyclopedia (=> use the most pedantic spellings, with diacritics) or a sports news aggregator (=> uses the most simplified spellings).

A lot of people, especially Americans, appear to have misconceptions about how English treats diacritics. There are many contributing factors:

• Some teachers apparently teach the canard that English does not have accents. There are in fact quite a few English words with (mostly French) accents.
• The misconception that removing diacritics from a foreign name makes it an English word.
• Confirmation bias. Even in newspapers that take great care to print all applicable diacritics, such as International Herald Tribune, there are entire issues with not a single diacritic simply because most foreign words used in an English context never had them to begin with.
• The American (not British) custom of changing one's last name upon immigration.
• Xenophobia.
• Antiintellectualism. (I guess it's no accident that we have this dispute only on ice hockey articles.) Hans Adler 13:02, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Take a look at WP:COMMONNAME, which explains the Wikipedia policy very clearly. (And I'm not American) --Dweller (talk) 13:09, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

WP:COMMONNAME is about alternative names, not about variant spellings of the same name. These present unique difficulties that cannot be solved by mere counting of sources. I did not intend to make a statement about your national background; but it's pretty obvious that most of those pushing against diacritics are Americans and are, on Wikipedia, almost exclusively interested in sports. Hans Adler 14:55, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

That was quick

I was just drafting something for WP:ANI and here you are before I've even finished it! Thanks again, Dweller, but watch out because you'll be on his list now. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 15:07, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

WP:RD/MA question -- 10^0

Hi Dweller. Be sure that take a peek back at your question on the maths ref desk, as there is some concern there that you might have left with a misunderstanding, as evidenced by your in reality, the expression is meaningless as a reflection of reality remark, which is quite incorrect. Also, let me know if you dabble in any programming, as if you do then I will point out a correlation between initializing variables and empty sums and products. Best regards, -- 110.49.227.102 (talk) 03:33, 1 November 2011 (UTC) Wow, we really are nerds over there.

Otium

This is my latest article. Feel free to make any improvements. --Doug Coldwell ^talk 19:24, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Expanded article. Any ideas for a DYK hook?--Doug Coldwell ^talk 11:18, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

I've made it more concise. Does it need more "fine tuning"? Good Article possibility?--Doug Coldwell ^talk 17:23, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Blunders are too easy here

A new account should be guided to a one-page tutorial, and the new user
should be required to click a box indicating that they understand that
one-page tutorial (with blunder avoidance tips).

It's actually not so easy to find the tutorial section on your own,
and I am still-living proof that you can break a lot of expensive glassware
with only the best intentions. I don't want to see the Logarithm article
disappear before my eyes, but that's what I caused.

I did not recognize that revising after a preview is dangerous, in that IF the
editing box has secretly emptied, then that's what will show on the article.
I tested this in sandbox today. I changed my first preview, and the new preview
was fine. But though a second preview looked good, the edit box had secretly emptied,
and that "empty space" appeared on the article. And I could not undo that.
Maybe there should be a 922 button for blunder assistance.
But I need more tutorial time.
UPDATE: Before I posted this from preview, I noticed that the
edit box had secretly emptied. So one precaution is to not post
after a preview. This goes to press without a preview .... — Preceding unsigned comment added by JayEB (talk • contribs) 18:17, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello. I'm not sure I really understand what you're saying. Previewing and then revising does not create problems, it's considered good practice (I've previewed this response three times and tweaked it!)... unless, I suppose, you get an WP:EDITCONFLICT. Does that link help? NB it looks like you're typing messages into a word processor and then pasting them here. That creates the weird formatting problems that make your post look like a poem. --Dweller (talk) 13:14, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Your repeated inability to put real refs into Aggers... do stop it Dwellers...

Dude, this sentence: "He did, however, play three One Day Internationals (ODIs) on that tour, two in India and one in Australia.[33] " ref 33 is that useless link that doesn't do what you want it to do. I may be able to help, but you need to tell me what you typed into Cricket Archive to get what you thought was a decent result? (P.S. Budgies doing alright, eh?) The Rambling Man (talk) 17:02, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and in a little bit of looking around Cricket Archive, I found this which is a nice shoe-in for him appearing for the JP Getty XI should you wish for its inclusion? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:04, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Finally, what was ref name=cap (currently ref 52) supposed to point to? You have a massive red error at the bottom of the page right now saying that you haven't actually defined what ref name=cap really is...! Quick Google of the quote didn't help me... The Rambling Man (talk) 17:10, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Okay, super finally, did you see the the Cricinfo profile of him has his nicknames as Spiro and Agers [sic], not Aggers? Wow! Are you going to email him at TMS to tell him when we finally get this article a bronze star by the way?? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:37, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Whoosh. Which of these are still live issues? PS Thanks for all the editing over the weekend. --Dweller (talk) 12:25, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

All of the above (although I think I sorted the last one... can't remember!). No worries! The Rambling Man (talk) 12:38, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Ref 33 works perfectly. Maybe you already fixed it? --Dweller (talk) 13:20, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh yes, I recall, you had a CricketArchive generic "oracle" link which didn't lead anywhere, I replaced it with a Cricinfo link. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:31, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Coolio. "Cap" seems to be fine as well. --Dweller (talk) 13:42, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Man I'm good. I think some of them you use ref name=cap and others you used ref name="cap" which clearly wouldn't work...! So that just leaves the tidbits re:JP Getty and Agers [sic]. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:45, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Getty, no thanks. Agers? Ridiculous. We need to source both nicks for the infobox. We could cricinfo for Spiro and one of his books for the other? Or any one of dozens of RS? --Dweller (talk) 14:04, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

It was (a) because prior to the overhaul, there was a list of "other teams" he'd appeared for, so just wondered... and (b) because he has probably one of the most famous nicknames in cricket and Cricinfo had it wrong. Just noted it for fun really...! The Rambling Man (talk) 14:09, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Feedback Dashboard task force

Hi Dweller,

I noticed you replied to some feedback from the new Feedback Dashboard feature – you might be interested in the task force Steven Walling and I just created for this purpose: Wikipedia:Feedback Dashboard. Thanks for diving in on your own and helping the newbies, and I hope you'll sign up! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 00:18, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Otium

How do I go about getting Otium reassessed to possible B-Class and getting an assessment of "importance" on the WikiProjects?--Doug Coldwell ^talk 12:48, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

The WikiProjects tend to come along when they're ready, but you can always drop them a line at their respective project talk pages and request a review. Or see who's active in each project and contact them directly. I've no experience with B class articles, I'm afraid, so you're asking the wrong person. Why not find a B class article and see who it was that tagged it and ask them? --Dweller (talk) 14:14, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

O.K. Thanks.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 14:24, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

commons

Do you mind moving File:RavMosheKever.jpg to commons? Chesdovi (talk) 11:21, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand. Why would I mind it being moved? --Dweller (talk) 11:35, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

File:Sofermausoleum.jpg, this one too, I am asking you please to move it. Chesdovi (talk) 11:38, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Transwiki stuff isn't my forte - I don't know anything about it. Is this something only admins can do? --Dweller (talk) 12:10, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

ok. Now I see normal people can actually. Chesdovi (talk) 12:55, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

TB

Hello, Dweller. You have new messages at Sven Manguard's talk page.
Message added 16:54, 10 November 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Sven Manguard Wha? 16:54, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Noor Aftab

Hello Dweller. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Noor Aftab, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Article has been edited since it was tagged and is no longer a copyvio. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 23:24, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

A good result. I opted not to delete it myself because I didn't have the time to look through in detail. Stubbing it and listing at AfD was good work, thank you. --Dweller (talk) 11:01, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Input requested

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Interesting, thanks. --Dweller (talk) 16:54, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

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Thank you. And any talk page stalkers who're interested, please do visit the Jonathan Agnew FAC! --Dweller (talk) 20:15, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

I think I covered all but one of Brian's comments, the last "content" one so that's yours to deal with. Awesomeness. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:59, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

My scanner is currently up the spout, but as the section(s) aren't too long, I could stick them on Aggers' talk page if you want. I also found some stuff in a truly dreadful book about when Ray Illingworth was chairman of selectors, written by Jack Bannister. It has a lot on the dirt-in-pocket and talks about Aggers' role. I can stick that on too if it helps. Let me know. --Sarastro1 (talk) 19:39, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

That'd be great. If you can find anything about Aggers and the selectors while a player - especially Titmus - I'd be interested, as I've seen lots of RS that knowingly wink at the issue without detailing it. --Dweller (talk) 10:25, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

I've put the Wisden and Bannister stuff on talk for you to have a look at. Let me know if there is anything else from there that you want. I'll dig to see if I have any other stuff on his non-selection and the selectors. Unfortunately, I doubt it, but ... --Sarastro1 (talk) 19:20, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

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sorry about that. — Ched :  ?  20:25, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

No worries - it makes me smile every time! --Dweller (talk) 21:29, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Ya know .. literally for years I've thought that you and Dougweller were one and the same - just variations on the sig. I figure a)I really need to tay appention better .. or b) I really need to get these glasses renewed. :) (yea .. that's my variation of "pay attention" ... probably sounds better than it looks ... lol) — Ched :  ?  22:17, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

As you can tell from this page, you're not the first person and you definitely won't be the last. And hey, Doug's a great editor, so I'm flattered by the confusion really. --Dweller (talk) 23:49, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Well,

it's certainly going to be less humorous if you remove the humor! ;-) --MZMcBride (talk) 13:11, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

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I'm a bit loath to edit the Agnew article when you and TRM are making such as good job of putting it into some order. But as someone thought the early career stuff was a bit thin you might be interested in a snippet I found in The Times about his injury-proneness early on. It's from the issue of 28 October 1980 under the heading "Another setback for Agnew" (page 9, issue No 60761) and reads:

The promising Leicestershire fast bowler, Jonathan Agnew, aged 22 [sic], is being flown home from Australia after contracting glandular fever. He was to have spent the winter playing for a club side.

Mike Turner, the Leicestershire secretary-manager, said: "It's a great disappointment because Jonathan had just returned to his best form after battling for 12 months to recover from a back injury."

I'll go on perusing copies of The Times from his early cricket days and will post anything sensible I find here, or on the talk page if you prefer. Johnlp (talk) 23:22, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

That's just magic, thank you. I take it you have a subscription, which is brilliant. Might ask you a favour on a different topic. Please paste it all (including above) to Aggers talk page, perhaps in your own section to avoid e/c? --Dweller (talk) 23:25, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

I joined my local library just to get access to The Times archives: they only go up to 1985 (thereafter you have to pay money to the current owner, which I'm not inclined to do). But they're invaluable for older (and better-connected) players. You can trace Agnew's ancestry pretty well through their court and social pages, for instance. Johnlp (talk) 23:36, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

That Agger's ref

Ref 85 (The Times one you added) provides me with nothing we can use as citation paramaters. I don't even get a headline or anything, I just get redirected to the homepage... The Rambling Man (talk) 15:32, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Hey, you're famous

See today's NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/21/nyregion/rabbi-pintos-followers-blame-aides-for-missing-millions.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp --Mosmof (talk) 19:05, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Great. I've been selectively misquoted. They missed out an important word. Now, where's my lawyer? --Dweller (talk) 19:11, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Play nice!

We can't help it we're Dutch. Congrats on getting your name in the paper, by the way, and thanks for the copy edit. OK, your edit summary, I say those kinds of things too--Mrs. Drmies hates me for it. All the best, Drmies (talk) 14:37, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, that's a first...

Oopsie. Perhaps better luck for us next year? Maybe a new mandate appeared at FAC lately, I've seen nominations running for months. Seemed a little harsh considering how much work we'd put into it during candidacy (and given our previous contributions, both in nominations and reviews at FAC) but hey ho, that's why FAC is dying on its arse I suppose, like the rest of Wikipedia. I think I need a break. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:36, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

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I would be absolutely happy to take you up on your generous offer. It's a confounding issue, and I much admire your courage and optimism in volunteering to mediate. I hope the others in this case feel that mediation is as appropriate as I do. With thanks, Tenebrae (talk) 18:55, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello again, Dweller. I think we can see by the fact that I'm willing to have mediation and discuss things like a grownup, while the others continue to snipe at me with, honest to God, "liar, liar, pants on fire" in an edit summary like they're six years old, that they're not interested. What do you recommend? An RfC? --Tenebrae (talk) 01:45, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

I recommend you stop belittling other users by referring to them as six year olds. All your comments here show a battlefield position. - Youreallycan (talk) 01:49, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

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	From me, a happy NSW Xmas bush Xmas from us all down here in Oz (damn, should have 5x expanded that for this Xmas...is there still time I wonder....) Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:47, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Dude

Happy New Year my friend. I wish all the best, the very best, to you and yours. Also sort-of glad to see your budgies doing alright. Stick it to the man, I think someone once said.

Sadly, right now, I find Wikipedia to be particularly unpleasant when my seeming naivety has been cited in an Arbcom circus. SandyGeorgia has decided to name me as a complicit member of the community, avoiding "punishing" one member while seemingly passively acknowledging and allowing another to be a wanker. They're both wanders, and I'm not sure what got her goat, but in any case it's a crock and feels like Kanga and Roo would be at home. Last time I bother giving that crew my time, not that they would care.

Right, moving on. I'll be soon to leave these Wiki-shores, (this whole "save the whale/malleus/you're a c-word" is beyond belief") but perhaps we can talk privately sometime. Much love to you and Family Dweller. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:30, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Hello. Yes, I noticed that. I don't think it's anything much to worry about - it barely deserves a reply. "Erm, I didn't notice" would probably suffice. Sandy is very upset over Malleus. Personally, I don't really get it. I think his writing is outstanding, but he seemed (OR here) to have been trying to stir up trouble of late. Well, trouble (aka disruption) has arrived. A shame. Happy new one and enjoy the break. --Dweller (talk) 21:47, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Cheers. MF is a good writer but sometimes a piss-poor collaborator.. Such is life. But Sandy citing me as an admin who was allegedly watching a situation (because TCO's page was one of my 5,400 pages on my watch list) and not doing anything about it (despite me not seeing it) is a fucking poke in the eye. MF can be a dick, TCO can be dick, we can all be a dick, but citing a list of talk page watchers is unbelievable tenuous and really really really unhelpful. I won't worry about, but it's a shit start to 2012 from the so-called "community". I think I'll delete all of my watch list to stop this happening again. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:03, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

You're both wrong (about my intent, about me being upset, about every assumption you've made here), but I doubt it will be useful to try to convince you of anything, or get you to develop another perspective, until you're calmer (TRM, haven't we been down this path before? that is, your thin skin and how often you got upset on Raul's talk page while not getting that there was no problem?). TRM, you are cited as absolutely nothing, and I'm sorry the 500-word limit prevents me from making a better case, and if you can't wait for me to figure a way around the 500-word limit to solve that problem, can't help it. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:19, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

No Sandy, just sick of being mystery-cited for something I "haven't done". There's no 500-word limit anywhere other than at Arbcom which is the first place I hear some kind of tacit complaint about my negligence. And yes, thin skin, but what is it you're citing me for? Double standards? I'm not sure. Are you sure? What a crap situation. What would you have me do better so that I wasn't cited in your list at Arbcom? The Rambling Man (talk) 22:24, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

YOu are seriously too thin-skinned ... I doubt that anyone thinks that list is about them personally, it's not, and the more of my time you take in having to explain that, the less likely I can get over there and try to find out how to fix it. You are cited for nothing except watchlisting TCO's page, which means nothing to anyone, the point that needs to be made about Malleus hasn't been made because I hit the 500-word limit, but you've decided to go ballistic about something that means nothing. Go figure. I'd bend over backwards to assure that there really is no issue here, except that it troubles me that we've been down this road so many times before, and I wonder why you so often over-react when people reassure you, as in previous instances, that there is no problem, or in this case, that I see the problem and am trying to figure out how to fix it. Really, chill out-- I'm losing any motivation to even try to fix it based on these discussions, where frankly you are whining without giving me time to figure out what to do about the 500-word limit or how to address the problem. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:29, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, Sandy, I interpreted this, followed by your 'go fly a kite' wikibreak as being upset. If you prefer your choice of word, "disgusted", I'm happy to replace it. As for calmness, I'm totally calm about the MF situation. Just a little saddened. --Dweller (talk) 23:08, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Nope, and I never did get back to you on that-- the "go fly a kite" was a reaction to TCO adherents attempting to TFA Tourette syndrome just as I was gearing up to overhaul it (they've decided that only articles with high page views like TS should be TFA), after dedicating most of December to a funeral, and then seeing Hawkeye7 flaunt his FAs in a way that will bring further ill upon FAC. Anyway, after all that, it's kind of interesting that TRM's name is on the arb case anyway. But no, my "disgust" was unrelated to you or Malleus. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:03, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Not whining, just getting sick of this nonsense trauma crap. Get rid of disruptive editors, and don't passively accuse others of wrongdoing, within Arbcom's 500-word limit. There's no reassurance here, there's nothing other than an accusation of malpractice. Really Sandy, we have had this situation before but I've never been an admin who deliberately ignored "pussy juice" or whatever you found so wrong. Never. Sorry I missed it, I've told TCO to piss off and ask others to deal with him in the recent past so be to be cited as someone who watched his talk page and missed the bit where the world exploded is lame. There's NO 500-WORD LIMIT HERE or elsewhere, other than at Arbcom. Do me the courtesy of using more than 500 words, on my talk page or somewhere neutral, to let me know why you bothered to include me as a named admin in this situation. You left me a message about five minutes before midnight on NYE telling me I was cited at an Arbcom case, now you're accusing me of whining. Well sorry Sandy, get a grip, you're the whinger here. I was nothing to do with ANY of this, but you dragged my sorry ass into it. Think about it. (Sorry Dweller) The Rambling Man (talk) 23:10, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

(sigh)....at least the cricket (finally) has been quite fun to watch the last couple of days :)) Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:13, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Heh, I can't believe Sachin hasn't made his landmark yet, and now Clarke's gone and done a triple ton. Of course, Sachin may decide to do it tomorrow to steal Clarke's thunder....! The Rambling Man (talk) 08:18, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Jordan Rhodes

If he keeps going like this, I could write a List of Jordan Rhodes hat-tricks 2011–12 article. Legit. Five already, what the... ? I wish Roy Keane hadn't sold him, but what can I do? All I find myself doing now is watching the budgies on some stream somewhere, and they keep winning. Not fair, not fair at all. Bon weekend. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:31, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

WP:Forum

Hi, What is the official tranquilizer when WP:Forum is pushed to the limit as it has been on the Shroud of Turin page? There is no edit war (yet) but as you have seen there are two editors with a desire to discuss the matter more than anything else. It is just taking up time to even calm them down. What is the best way to calm this before it gets out of control? Thanks. History2007 (talk) 22:54, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

This confused me no end. Until I realised confusion is contagious. Please see point three in the coloured box at the top of this page. Tell him I said "hi". --Dweller (talk) 23:07, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I understand. Sorry. History2007 (talk) 03:57, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

No worries, it's far from being an insult. --Dweller (talk) 10:38, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

FLC in the pipeline

Thanks for your copyedit of the old Euro finals list. Thought you'd be more interested in another little listy thing I'm expanded right now? The Rambling Man (talk) 12:43, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

I'll take a squint. So, no Mark Hughes for you lot then, once your scouser gets the can. Unless Hughes does a Clough at Leeds... I've never understood why Hughes is so highly rated - what is it about his record that makes people think he's a manager who's achieved much? --Dweller (talk) 10:40, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

No, all the money's going on Colin right now. We're playing tonight, away at Birmingham... another loss on the cards. Oh, thanks for looking at the list by the way. I hadn't looked at the lead (that wasn't my work!), but I did write pretty much all of the history section... The Rambling Man (talk) 10:57, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

On the article, I'll do what I can. Colin is a magnificent nickname. Whoever thought it up is a genius. He's perfect for what QPR used (and I mean used) him - get you up and then ditch him before you settle into relegation dogfights or at best mediocrity. I thought he might retire. If he does, good riddance. --Dweller (talk) 11:48, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

You know it's part of an anagram of his name, right? You know his anagramatical surname? The Rambling Man (talk) 11:52, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes! Did you think I was being sarcastic? It's perfect for him. He is an utter W. --Dweller (talk) 12:00, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Indeed. Sometimes tempting to leave vandalism on his page!! Only kidding TPS folk... The Rambling Man (talk) 12:06, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Your Offer of Mediation

Since you extended an offer of mediation to User:Tenebrae in relation to the Demi Moore article, I would like to take up that offer if it's still on the table - I'm not proud of some of my own responses in that debate but after repeated requests [10][11] that Tenebrae refrain from personal attacks,[12][13][14] and comment on content not contributor he has again failed to abide by the request. [15] For his benefit, I would rather that at this stage, a mediator steps in if possible, rather than taking my concerns and both of our actions to a more formal or binding discussion such as WQA or RFC/U. If it is possible for you to do this then it would be appreciated. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 23:11, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm still happy to do this. However, for it to work, in my experience, all of the parties need to participate. Tenebrae and yourself have both said you're happy. What about the others? I don't want to coerce anyone - it's voluntary and me pushing too hard would start us off on a bad footing. --Dweller (talk) 09:36, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

That's understood, I'm not sure about the others I think tempers are frayed all round so you're probably right - I'm going to try taking the RFC in another direction and see whether it helps, but I remain open to other options. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 18:33, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Stuart.Jamieson said nothing when others were using active insults against me. I, on the other hand, have been criticizing Jamieson's obsessive behavior, and not calling him a doo-doo head, or whatever he thinks.

And now he's going to "change the direction" of the RfC? No. How can someone unilaterally declare that the RfC is something different from how it was originally presented? That's the kind of maddening presumptiveness that this person continually displays.

He and I are the only ones in need of mediation. The others have said their piece, and we know where they stand. If Jamieson is truly sincere in his request for mediation, I've been ready to go for weeks now, which I hope shows my genuine sincerity and good faith — had he taken you up on your generous offer then, much of the acrimony would have been avoided. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:12, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

And again with the personal attacks - Tenebrae you set a wide locus of discussion when you set the remit of the RFC as "how best to balance Demi Moore's recent Twitter statements that "Demi" is her birth name in light of two decades' reporting in WP:RS publications that her birth name is "Demetria."" there are many directions a conversation can take within that locus and you cannot unilaterally declare what direction that discussion should take at which time within it. I don't know how much experience you have within processes such as RFC or similar (such as AFD) but you seem to show an unfamiliarity with those processes and aggression when any editor attempts to use those processes in a correct way but one which you are not familiar (or in agreement?) with. I welcome mediation but if you issue any further personal attacks without addressing content then I will have to refer your civility issues upward. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 20:37, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Legitimate criticism is not a personal attack.

I've been on Wikipedia for 6 1/2 years and over 60,500 edits. In that time I've amassed many friends and have mentored many newcomers; I'm the grateful recipient of award-recognition from them. I've been in RfCs before, and I know this: You cannot "change the direction" of it on your own personal whim. As I said, you're perfectly entitled to start a new RfC. But you cannot unilaterally change it from what it is to something you like better. --Tenebrae (talk) 21:25, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Moving this forward

I've changed my mind. I think going to mediation asap would be good for Wikipedia. If the two of you agree, let's do it. Hopefully between us we can resolve this and other editors will either join us along the way or will tweak or accept whatever we can work out.

To be clear, this offer is open to both of you and to anyone else who has been involved in the dispute.

Please read the following very long sentence really carefully... and bear with me :-)

If you agree to mediation on the Demi Moore issues, and agree to participate in a process following rules I set that might seem a little fussy at first, but are based on my experience of how to generate an atmosphere that is conducive to producing an agreement, please click through to this page and just sign your name with no further comment here, there or on Talk:Demi Moore (or, on the subject of this dispute, anywhere else for that matter) for now.

Thank you. --Dweller (talk) 21:56, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

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Wikipedia blackout

I just got a press release from the Wikipedia Foundation saying English-language Wikipedia is staging a 24-hour blackout on Wednesday to protest (as well it should) the SOPA legislation before Congress. Darn good way to get people's attention to that frightening bill.--Tenebrae (talk) 01:32, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Re: Mediation

Stuart Jamieson is breaking his word and editing Talk:Demi Moore. I reverted his post and added a note at the mediation that we had agreed not to edit that page or make any other comment about the issue outside the mediation page. Now, he has restored the disallowed post. I reverted it again. This is so childish. I'm at my wits' end. Is there any way to enforce our keeping our word, or has he poisoned the well of mediation? --Tenebrae (talk) 19:05, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for handling things the way that you handled them. I think your notes to Stuart and me were evenhanded and diplomatic. I'm sure I speak for both of us in expressing regret that this issue required even more time and effort than you've already graciously volunteered toward resolving this long-running issue. With gratitude, Tenebrae (talk) 13:52, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

My pleasure. Let's all keep trying all we can to resolve the situation. Avoiding extra conflict is the best way to achieve this. --Dweller (talk) 14:06, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid things are getting very heated again at Demi Moore and at Talk:Demi Moore. Your mediating help is urgently requested. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:17, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Aggers

Worth considering a re-nom? I think we dealt with all the outstanding issues, just didn't any supports in time... whaddyareckon? The Rambling Man (talk) 09:31, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Love it. Care to do the honours? --Dweller (talk) 12:43, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

It's a good job for you lot that there are three spectacularly incompetent teams, as opposed to merely incompetent, in The Championship. --Dweller (talk) 13:06, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Don't I know it. And watching your lot play over the weekend, v. jealous. Aggers transcluded. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:07, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Muchas gracias. Maybe we should let some of the participants know. --Dweller (talk) 13:15, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Your call really, it seemed to get quite a bit of interest last time round. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:29, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. Because of the archive2 system, the FAC page doesn't light up on watchlists. They might notice it if they have the article talk on their lists. --Dweller (talk) 13:31, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Well {{sofixit}}....! 13:39, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Baton passed, did a bit at Aggers, bring it on.... The Rambling Man (talk) 21:12, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

That ref 88 is still of no use to man nor dog. Doesn't go anywhere for me, if you've paid for the subs, you'll need to tell me the author, title, publication date etc for me to fill the ref in... The Rambling Man (talk) 13:25, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't have access. Going offwiki for some time. I wonder if a WP:CRIC member might have access? --Dweller (talk) 13:28, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

No way of citing it with another, more friendly and accessible source? The Rambling Man (talk) 13:42, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Maybe... btw the Barry Johnston book page number is 267. --Dweller (talk) 15:42, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

The author is Michael Atherton, writing in The Times and the date is 4 August 2008. As it's going to be a citation to a web page, I presume we don't need a page number. Do we need anything else? --Dweller (talk) 17:02, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

I think the show/hide thingy (I know what you mean but have no idea what they are called) are frowned on at FAC as they mess up the page or the archives. However, if you want to move my comments to the talk page (which I think is more officially approved), I have no objection at all. --Sarastro1 (talk) 21:48, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I've moved my comments on Aggers to the talk page to clear up some space; I hadn't been back for a while and noticed that it was getting crowded. --Sarastro1 (talk) 13:24, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

further to the discussion about when Agnew started with TMS and the BBC, I have now cited some references on the article's talk page. Regards, Dean B (talk) 07:41, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

thanks

I only have like 16k edits .. but I'm thinking I might want my real name might want to go away. I just wanted to know what was possible, and didn't want any high drama involved. — Ched :  ?  13:01, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

No problem and no drama. Let me know if you'd like it changed. --Dweller (talk) 13:16, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

thank you. I've addressed things from a real life perspective, and may do this change in the near future; but I think it best if I put the change on hold for just a bit in case I need to address any loose ends on wiki. I'll be in touch a bit later. — Ched :  ?  03:24, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

huh???

????? paint me lost. :) — Ched :  ?  01:10, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I am utterly gobsmacked. You could knock me down with a feather. --Dweller (talk) 09:33, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Ahhh .. ok. Sometimes I feel so isolated here in the US, and even the term "football" takes on an entirely different meaning here - but hey - I'm learning to throw darts .. does that count for anything? :) — Ched :  ?  12:40, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, indeed it does. See if you can hear some youtube coverage of this genius in action. He's the best thing about darts. --Dweller (talk) 12:47, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU Interview

Dear Dweller,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, were it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:

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Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

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Nearly there...

Okay, so we have just Axl's hit-and-run left, there seems to be no dialogue there so all we can do is wait for an image check and a source spotcheck.... I haven't seen a FAC promoted lately without both of those.... The Rambling Man (talk) 10:32, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Who could we ask to do them? --Dweller (talk) 10:52, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I'll ask Sandy... The Rambling Man (talk) 10:58, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Clearly not the right place to go right now. Maybe you can look into it... The Rambling Man (talk) 22:04, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

New comment in from Ucucha, and I just re-read Sandy's response to my request, starting with: "Dweller and The Rambling Man, please go find another Pollyanna sucker to ask for help when there's a problem...." so I guess we need to look elsewhere, although the image check has now been done by the looks of it. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:20, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Six different replies written and deleted before I pressed Save page. --Dweller (talk) 09:12, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, I know how that feels. I sent you a brief email btw. Can you rephrase that awkward sentence? I tried but failed. My brain hurts too much this morning for creative writing and with the above, I feel a little grumpy. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:14, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Rename

Hey there, I emailed you a couple of weeks ago as well but never heard back. Could you please help with my rename request. At the moment, I think I'm attracting too much attention by using my actual name. Could you please change my username to MHDH. I'd appreciate that, thanks! Hassan514 (talk) 13:49, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

A couple of weeks? It was about 9 months ago! Sorry it never happened then... it's done now. --Dweller (talk) 14:30, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Lol, i think I even sent you a request recently as well. Didn't remember it was you I spoke to then too. Thanks for doing it now! MHDH (talk) 15:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

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An appeal for mediation

Hi, Dweller. I know the real world of making a living, caring for family and all the rest is more important than what is, essentially, for most of us, a hobby. And I know you know how much I, and I'm sure everyone else involved, appreciates the time that you've been able to give in a generous attempt at helping mediate what seems an intractable issue.

It's only becoming more so, across three pages now (User:Dweller/Demi Moore, User talk:Dweller/Demi Moore, and Talk:Demi Moore). Accusations of bad faith and much more are flying, with Jimbo Wales' name now being invoked (not by me). So I wonder now if, despite all your good efforts, this whole mess should go to arbitration. What do you think? Would it be too much to ask that you shepherd this issue there to give it a foothold? What is your advice? With respect and regards, Tenebrae (talk) 15:47, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

My RfA

Hi, a long time ago you encouraged me to consider adminship. Finally got round to it: Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Fayenatic london – Fayenatic (talk) 21:54, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your support; my RfA was successful and nearly unanimous. Be among the first to see my L-plate! – Fayenatic L (talk) 14:14, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Apologies about Demi

Apologies. I couldn’t believe that you personally would be seriously involved in a dispute over such a matter. (I thought it was a hypothetical excercise by several, and I thought everyone was being too reasonable.) My fault for not checking, and discovering that you are facilitating.

I hope to make some amends by offering a positive contribution. There is a lot read, and I am a slow reader. My leaning at this stage is to suggesting a more cautious sticking to what other reliable and reputable independent secondary sources have already said on the subject. I see this as significantly in the field of “verifiability not truth”. I see people making references to secondary sources, and I think these need critical review, taking a firm historiological definition of “secondary source”. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:35, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Can you explain what you're saying about secondary sources? --Dweller (talk) 19:07, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Many editors have a poor working definition of "secondary sources", which are the sources on which we should base decisions on what to cover. This does not seem to be the problem in this case. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:40, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

An amuse bouche perhaps...?

Hey, I thought that, perhaps instead of heading into the darkness of cricket, we could get listified, and have a good stab at List of Norwich City F.C. managers? Whaddya reckon? The Rambling Man (talk) 14:31, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Nice idea. Looks like we put a considerable amount of work into it and then abandoned it, mysteriously. Any idea why? These things have usually been caused by a lacuna in sources. --Dweller (talk) 14:45, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Soccerbase is our friend and if we can find anything else, so much the better. I'll do the technical table bits, you need to get your head into righting a "brief history of managers" as an "history" style section before the table, then we sit back and wait for the applause....! The Rambling Man (talk) 14:52, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

You're on. Another piece of the mythical Norwich City FT jigsaw? --Dweller (talk) 14:55, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

(Link filled in above) yes, why not. You may need to re-check the other members of the topic which are already featured though, when I got Ipswich to FT a few years ago, standards were, .... well.... lower! The Rambling Man (talk) 15:00, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

A reasonably good model is List of Birmingham City F.C. managers although the lead on that is a little dated. The concept of the history section is sound though. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:15, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll work on it around RL and the mediation I'm trying to help with. --Dweller (talk) 08:37, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Note: the "Assessment" section really, honestly should form perhaps one sentence in this whole article. If you think I'm wrong, tell me why... The Rambling Man (talk) 18:57, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

I strongly agree. Please see the article talk page. --Dweller (talk) 19:49, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Ja, been there, seen that, responded accordingly. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:52, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Let's wait a few days and see what comments come in. Incidentally, what did you think of the graph idea I floated on the talk - you're good at them. Not 100% sure how it would work, though. --Dweller (talk) 19:58, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll have a look at that this week. Seeing the tiny list of Ipswich managers vs most other clubs, it's really an eye-opener to see clubs go through manager after manager. Like QPR for instance...! The Rambling Man (talk) 20:01, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

As I feared...

I know you've done more than your share with this, but the discussion at Talk:Demi Moore has degenerated into the issuing of threats and what seems to be a disregard for the mediation process. It's gotten extremely ugly. Are there any other avenues of mediation or arbitration that you could suggest? The protocol can be complicated to understand, and I don't want to skip steps or put in a request at the wrong page. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:08, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

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Ken Brown

His whole playing career has just two references, two of which are statistic based and his managerial/coaching career doesn't have any. Therefore it "needs additional citations for verification" as the tag suggests. Pretty obvious really. --Jimbo^[online] 14:59, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

There's no need to be patronising. If it was obvious, I wouldn't have asked. What is it you wish to verify? If it's his notability, it's already verified. If there's contentious material unsourced, it should be removed. I didn't understand your revert and I still don't, no matter how obvious it may seem to you. I'd be grateful if you could explain. --Dweller (talk) 15:05, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

B==Soccerbase refs from back in the day== Just to let you know that those Soccerbase refs which you've added no longer point at league tables and just redirect back to the homepage again... We'll need to either work out how to access Soccerbase correctly all over again or use Statto.com to find the tables.... The Rambling Man (talk) 11:17, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Bah. Thanks for the update. --Dweller (talk) 21:14, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, thank you, thank you

I guess I should have come to you first. The violation of privacy was so bad I'd already contacted an admin via e-mail as suggested at [[Wikipedia:Linking to external harassment] (which says that because Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents is “a highly public forum and you could inadvertently bring unwanted attention to the link by reporting your concern publicly on Wikipedia” that “A better option may be to directly email an administrator....”) You've done so much in this bizarre case already, I felt I'd be asking too much to ask you for more help. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. This was so creepy, I can't tell you. Thank you again, --Tenebrae (talk) 16:12, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Dana Gaier article

Hi. I didn't create the Dana Gaier page but I contributed a NYT article. You recently deleted it. I think it should be recreated based upon the following resources which I have found.If there is something specific you are looking for, please let me know. Thanks. http://movies.nytimes.com/2010/07/09/movies/09despicable.html http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2010/DESME.php http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1214097-despicable_me/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1323594/ http://news.yahoo.com/film-trailer-despicable-2-3d-101035394.html Dana is an American Child actress best known for her voice role as Edith in Universal Pictures' Despicable Me. She is currently working on the sequel. She also hosts an anti-bullying website called "Got Your Back!" www.GYourB.org. Dmmom10 (talk) 17:59, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dmmom10. The standards we apply for notability boil down to someone needing to be the subject of non-trivial coverage in multiple reliable sources. The NYTimes is reliable, but the coverage barely mentions her name. Neither does the Yahoo piece, nor the one from The Numbers. The trailer doesn't say anything at all. IMDB is not a reliable source (see WP:RS). If she is notable, proper media will have written in depth about her. Just find two such pieces of coverage and let me know. --Dweller (talk) 11:02, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Here is some updated info: http://www.ew.com/article/2013/07/03/despicable-me-2-dana-gaier-edith http://despicableme.wikia.com/wiki/Dana_Gaier http://www.popsugar.com/celebrity/Dana-Gaier-Despicable-Me-2-Interview-Video-30864512 http://www.discoverygirls.com/advice/features/dana-gaier-interview http://www.accesshollywood.com/dana-gaier-discusses-despicable-me-2_video_1627737 http://njmonthly.com/articles/jersey-living/bullied-no-more/

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Hi, Dweller, and thank you again for accomplishing what seemed the impossible task of mediating at the Demi Moore article. I remain amazed at your skill and calm in doing so. I had despaired at a couple of points, and I'm happy you proved me wrong.

As you know from your March 1 edit at Talk:Demi Moore, I had expressed great concern over User:Stuart.Jamieson investigating my personal, off-Wiki life, which I found disturbing.

Now, as one can see at User talk:Stuart.Jamieson, he's involved in off-Wiki discussions with User:AndyTheGrump and an admin, and now is seems to be following my edits, as I note at Commons talk:Abuse filter#Report by Tenebrae: Of all the thousands of images uploaded to Wikipedia and the hundreds moved to the Commons every day, he chose to move an image of mine — one that I'd uploaded and that I thought I had asked to be removed months ago when a better image of the subject became available. Given the extraordinary odds, I don't believe it's coincidence that he singled out an image of mine. Maye if he hadn't been prying to my personal life I might chalk it up as a weird coincidence, but this is part of a pattern.

I don't know what to do. I've found that formal noticeaboard pages about this sort of thing just brings out trolls who say, "That's just how Wikipedia is, and if you don't like it, leave." So I come to you, extremely humbly, to ask for advice and help. There is just no reason for Stuart.Jamieson to have any involvement with me or with my edits at articles he normally doesn't edit. I'm sorry to have to come to you, but his behavior seems obsessive and it's freaking me out a little. Thank you for reading this, and I hope you can help. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:25, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I'll look at this when I can. Apologies, I've had hardly any onwiki time since before the weekend. --Dweller (talk) 20:37, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

No, it's fine; we all have real lives and serve here as volunteers when we can. I've been away for a couple of days myself, dreading being here with this editor and one other who believes he's my personal police officer. But Jamieson now says he will accede to my request to be removed from his watchlist, and I'll take him at his word.

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There are two sources already, but I'll see what I can do at some point. --Dweller (talk) 12:19, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

One is NCFC itself isn't it? Not that neutral. Anyway, the article about OTB says "one of the oldest" or "claims to be the oldest" (or something like that, can't remember exactly) but doesn't claim it as absolute fact. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:26, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

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Dear Dweller, I appreciate the edit in which you added a Level 2 heading for Yom Hazikaron#History and repositioned the appropriate content. I realize my content edit was clumsy - but I'm editing under considerable duress at present due to the strict demands to improve the page so it qualifies for inclusion in On this day... today. Since in your edit you - perhaps inadvertently? - removed the template for inadequate references and citations, please see what's happening on Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors#Errors in today's or tomorrow's On this day... - and if you have any further advice for me, please do share it! -- Deborahjay (talk) 13:03, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

The new heading wasn't me - it was Gilabrand. I removed the tag with this edit (note the edit summary). I'll step over to Errors now, thanks. --Dweller (talk) 13:10, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks so much for both actions. Indeed, I'd noticed your (familiar :-) name in the page edit history, so missed the edit attribution to Gilabrand. I'll get back to her as well. This all started just after the 11:00 siren when I checked and noticed the omission from the Main Page and commenced taking action (while still at the office where I have access to the EJ). My Good Faith meter is a bit sensitive on this matter, understandably? I hope I'm wrong. -- Deborahjay (talk) 13:21, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

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Oh. Thanks. I needed to have one of the prime Isreal-Palestinian edit-warriors show up on Middle Ages. Thanks. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:31, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

<scratches head> Sorry, why would posting at WT:JUDAISM make this be an Israel-Palestinian thing? In any case, I have no intentions of causing trouble, just trying to be rigorous. My apologies if I've made your life awkward - but there was already an edit war before I showed up, and I was trying to stop it by starting a discussion on the Talk page. --Dweller (talk) 14:40, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Isn't Debresser involved in some great war about Palestinian rabbis? I recall reading about him at ANI. I really hate it when I marshall three sources for something and someone just ignores the sources and argues without attempting to marshall any sources of their own. I also really get annoyed with constantly having no appreciation shown for my work... it's amazing how much better a bit of criticism goes when you preface it with something like "Great work all around but I have a small concern with ..." rather than saying "It's OR to say that because you have RS showing that some people converted to Judaism that the religion was a missionary religion in this period." which basically implies that I did NOT have a source for the information and I was making it up. Can you see the difference? After days of dealing with this sort of thing (and I know you haven't been doing it all the time, but I get it across a LOT of articles I edit and it gets old) people begin to wonder why we bother editing. A bit of honey makes the criticism go down better. Yes, I know you told me earlier how nice the article rewrite was... but I've been beat over the head a bit since then... praise helps keep editors motivated. Some of this is just a straw-on-a-camels-back thing but it really really gets old when most of the time the only comments that get left on articles I work on are negative. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:48, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Ah yes, Debresser has been involved in that, which is tediously lame. Good point about the difference - I've been told before by an editor I was upbraiding for bad speedy tagging (I think) about using a 'praise sandwich' or similar, and I've tried to bear it in mind. Getting articles through FA can be a teeth-gritting experience, and you're not even at FAC yet. Anyways, I'm here to help, within my exceptionally limiting limitations. Just ask for a copyedit or whatever when you want - I owe you several, if I recall correctly. Let's count this as another on the slate? Back on the detail, it's clear to all that Judaism once was proselytising, now is not and the divide between is fuzzy and probably differs per geographic location, as Jews had very different experiences of Diaspora life in, say, North Africa and central Europe. Perhaps that's your way out - a short and simple statement along the lines that there is some [usefully loaded word] evidence of Judaism still [usefully loaded word] being proselytising in the Middle Ages... I think your source backs that up pretty solidly. --Dweller (talk) 14:56, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Btw there are some stunning images on Commons - I just love this one and while the history section of our WP:Featured Pictures makes it seem as if history began fairly recently, I think there may be some useful photos in the architecture section. --Dweller (talk) 15:10, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Meh, you have plenty of manuscripts already. What about some earthworks, like File:Offa's Dyke near Clun.jpg? --Dweller (talk) 15:16, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Earthworks aren't that exciting to look at (well for most of our readers anyway, I find them interesting). Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Places/Architecture does at least have some pictures of medieval buildings, though not that many and none I'd use in the Middle Ages article. The Alfred Jewel is rather striking, though I don't think Wikipedia has a photo of the front. Nev1 (talk) 15:26, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

You're right, amazingly not everyone shares my passion for ancient and medieval defensive structures. Weird. Must be something wrong with them. Want me to trawl likely Commons cats over the next few days? I guess I'm looking for stunning, non manuscript images, from period, properly licensed. --Dweller (talk) 15:36, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd like something from before 1000 if possible. Let's show folks something stunning that isn't often shown ... I'd love to showcase File:Britishmuseumdunstableswanjewelfrontcroppedclose.jpg but it's pretty late. I MIGHT have a frontal of the Alfred Jewel in the stuff from the BM that I've not got uploaded yet... let me dig... Ealdgyth - Talk 16:09, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Nothing from the Alfred Jewel, unfortunately. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:12, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

And I'm not liscencing this for free ... sorry! Nor this. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:14, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

We have a picture of one end of a Viking ship (more in the commons category that's in) or a rather nice gallery (though it is 13th century). Nev1 (talk) 16:21, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Krak is one of my favourite buildings in the world, but I'd like to propose one of our many pictures of Dome of the Rock. It's stunningly beautiful, challenges our usual systemic bias and arguably helps illustrate one of the main themes of the period - the rise of Islam and, sort of, the Crusades. Talking of themes, it might be worth making sure each of the main themes of the article is reflected by at least one image. --Dweller (talk) 17:38, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

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