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Ichthus January 2020

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January 2020

The Top 3 Articles

By Stalinsunnykvj

The Top 3 most-popular articles about People in WikiProject Christianity were:

Pope Benedict XVI – retired prelate of the Catholic Church who served as head of the Church and sovereign of the Vatican City State from 2005 until his resignation.
Pope Francis – the head of the Catholic Church and sovereign of the Vatican City State. Francis is the first Jesuit pope, the first from the Americas, the first from the Southern Hemisphere, and the first pope from outside Europe since the Syrian Gregory III, who reigned in the 8th century.
Dolly Parton – an American singer, songwriter, multi-instrumentalist, record producer, actress, author, businesswoman, and humanitarian, known primarily for her work in country music. Quotations related to Dolly Parton at Wikiquote: "I just depend on a lot of prayer and meditation. I believe that without God I am nobody, but that with God, I can do anything."

Did You Know?

Nominated by Stalinsunnykvj

...that the All Saints Church, Henley Brook, the oldest church in Western Australia, held its first service almost eight years before it was consecrated?
...that the Golden Madonna of Essen is the oldest preserved sculpture of the Virgin Mary?
...that the parish church of James Parkinson, after whom Parkinson's disease is named, was St Leonard's, Shoreditch, a church just outside the City of London and most famous for being one of the churches mentioned in the nursery rhyme "Oranges and Lemons"?
...that the Grand Chartophylax was considered the right arm of the Patriarch of Constantinople?

Featured article

Nominated by Stalinsunnykvj

Сретение Господне ("The Meeting of the Lord"), a depiction of Simeon recognising Jesus at the Temple, from a fifteenth-century Novgorodskye School Russian icon.

A Song for Simeon, is a 37-line poem written in 1928 by American-English poet T. S. Eliot (1888–1965). It is one of five poems that Eliot contributed to the Ariel poems series of 38 pamphlets by several authors published by Faber and Gwyer. "A Song for Simeon" was the sixteenth in the series and included an illustration by avant garde artist Edward McKnight Kauffer. The poem's narrative echoes the text of the Nunc dimittis, a liturgical prayer for Compline from the Gospel passage. Eliot introduces literary allusions to earlier writers Lancelot Andrewes, Dante Alighieri and St. John of the Cross. Critics have debated whether Eliot's depiction of Simeon is a negative portrayal of a Jewish figure and evidence of anti-Semitism on Eliot's part. (more...)

Bible Verse

“

May He grant you according to your heart’s desire, And fulfill all your purpose.

”

Psalm 20:4 New King James Version (NKJV)

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Quotes

"Faith lived in the incognito is one which is located outside the criticism coming from society, from politics, from history, for the very reason that it has itself the vocation to be a source of criticism. It is faith (lived in the incognito) which triggers the issues for the others, which causes everything seemingly established to be placed in doubt, which drives a wedge into the world of false assurances."
~ Jacques Ellul

French philosopher, sociologist, and professor who was a noted Christian anarchist.

Quotations related to Jacques Ellul at Wikiquote

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Syriac language

Can we talk about Syriac language here? Swedish.historian (talk) 20:35, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

First of all, why did you revert my edit on Aramean people? Now it seems like the Arameans died out in the 8th century, which is false. Swedish.historian (talk) 20:40, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Palayoor edits

Hello Elizium23. Thank you for the info on Wikipedia verifiability. The page on Palayoor contains information that reads as "...threw a handful of water up into the sky. After reaching a particular height the water stood still in the air, the particles glittering like diamonds". This information has been stated without any citation. Does it qualify as a verified statement? If such statements are allowed to remain on Wikipedia unverified, won't anyone be able to write anything they wanted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navinwiki (talk • contribs) 15:31, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

No, that stuff sounds fake, and I removed it because it is unsourced. Anything else? Elizium23 (talk) 15:38, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

It's also mentioned under the Thaliyakulam heading on the same page. Nothing else; thank you. This story of throwing water in the air was taught to me too during childhood, but nobody seems to be able to verify it. Perhaps there could be records in Kerala, of the apostle's work when he was there. Navinwiki (talk) 16:13, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

bale/bail

wrt [1]: Baling wire is called that because you use it to make bales of hay. But a metal handle is a "bail": see wikt:bail#Etymology_3. —Steve Summit (talk) 20:33, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Greta Thunberg

Freedom of speech is our first right under the Constitution. You have NO right to suppress it. 81.146.44.15 (talk) 23:57, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Bro, you do realize that the thread was saved in an archive? Nobody deleted anything, it was just an old discussion. Elizium23 (talk) 00:03, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Haider

The source, Quillette, was deleted. I have asked the editor who deleted it about it. Doug Weller talk 06:28, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

I felt that the change to second-person plural in Wikivoice was an odd choice... Elizium23 (talk) 06:33, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 21 January 2020 and Template This article has multiple issues

Hi Elizium23! My responses at: Talk:Royal and Venerable Confraternity of the Most Blessed Sacrament of Mafra. Creo que su conocimiento del idioma español puede ayudarnos. Thanks.--Yup12 (talk) 13:00, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

PC Video fault

Thank you for your response [2] to my problem at the Computing Ref. desk. I tested the VGA connector, cable and monitor on a different PC. I have since replaced the video card but the fault remains! DroneB (talk) 22:44, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Removing image

I do not see why the image was so bad that it deserved to be removed (refering to Tempe page)?--BestOnLifeform (talk) 07:14, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

- Never mind, I just re-reviewed the image and it does not look good at all. Sorry for troubling you.--BestOnLifeform (talk) 07:18, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions alert for the area of abortion

This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.

You have shown interest in abortion. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.

Doug Weller talk 08:25, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Net negative? re Hunger Games Characters

Hey, I saw you reverted the latest edit on List of The Hunger Games characters, would you mind explaining why you thought it was a net negative? I saw it while recent changes patrolling and it didn't seem like vandalism to me, it does look like the editor KingOreo123 did actually fix some typos. Sorry to question you, I'm just curious why you decided to revert. Thanks –NorthwestPassage^talk 03:49, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

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Fr. Luis Miguel Romero Fernández request for deletion

Hello Elizium23,

You may want to get in on this discussion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Luis Miguel Romero Fernández

Roberto221 (talk) 11:01, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Edit on Catching Fire

I'm sorry, I thought it was okay to freely add categories without citation, please correct me if I'm wrong. The category was "Sacrifice in human fiction" because the novel depicts children being sacrificed in an annual game show. If I must cite my addition, this is my source, I suppose. Ma nam is geoffrey (talk) 22:50, 4 March 2020 (UTC) Oh, yes, and perhaps I might need to tell you I added the category likewise on The Hunger Games (novel) without citing. This is my citation for that edit. If you don't mind, please tell me how to cite additions to categories, I'm new to Wikipedia! Ma nam is geoffrey (talk) 22:57, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Perpetua

Hi, can you give me a pointer where the merge of Perpetua to Perpetua and Felicity was discussed? It wasn't on either talk page. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:36, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

WT:CATHOLIC#Perpetua Elizium23 (talk) 22:35, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Ages you listed for US fasting/abstinence rules are in conflict with current USCCB page and common US practice

As you know I tried to edit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasting_and_abstinence_in_the_Catholic_Church, to make clear that the current USCCB page that is dedicated to fasting and abstinence rules and explanation clearly states, as it's first and main content, that the norms in the US, as I have known them to be for ~20 or more years (?), are that in the US fasting is required (or at least expected) of 18 and older and Abstinence for 14 and older. (see http://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/liturgical-year/lent/catholic-information-on-lenten-fast-and-abstinence.cfm). You reverted those changes back to age 21/22 and older as it previously was. You may not have liked my choice of wording, but this needs changed and the more authoritative ages from the USCCB, which are also the commonly accepted ages all over the US, need indicated near the 21/22 ages if not completely replacing the 21/22 age rules. Whether or not some technicality in Canon Law makes 21/22 the ages OK (which is probably at least partially dubious since the USCCB specifically addresses why the norm on the fast is given as 18), you are misrepresenting the standard recommendations of the USCCB and misrepresenting the factual US Catholic practices--literally the page the section currently cites for the USCCB says 18/14, but you make it appear that it says 21/22. What's worse, when one googles "fasting and abstinence" rules for some reason google picks the 21/22 age rule lines on this page as its default answer, rather than the more authoritative USCCB page (and more commonly followed in the US) ages. Further I am curious why it obviously seems you did not agree with the above, and what "factual errors" you found in my version of the edit. NotInItaly (talk) 22:11, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi the information was totally factual, don’t know why you would say otherwise but I will add references in future :) Wikitor007 (talk) 23:09, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Nope, the show that other dude referenced may have been a joke but it was a genuine discussion about Karl really proposing the idea to directors Wikitor007 (talk) 23:25, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Kelly Clarkson - thanks

Thanks for catching my mistake! S0091 (talk) 20:48, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome! Elizium23 (talk) 20:48, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Kiril Domuschiev coronavirus patient

Can you work your magic on this page? At this time, I can only find the Facebook announcement. Maybe you can do better.... cheers (maybe https://www.novinite.com/articles/203677/Kiril+Domuschiev+Infected+with+COVID-19) -CoronaEditor (talk) 08:06, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

I am not really going to claim this kind of thing as my business. I am kind of sorry I got sucked into the COVID-19 list thing at all. Elizium23 (talk) 08:09, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Be healthy! -CoronaEditor (talk) 08:12, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

/* The Anka Wolbert case */

Hi! I did not know that editing the talk page comments are not allowed. Sorry for the inconvenience.Thank You for letting me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graphemaniac (talk • contribs) 16:29, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Seriously?

Do you want to explain that? Catfish Jim and the soapdish 18:05, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Catfish Jim, I did on the talk page. Sorry. Elizium23 (talk) 18:06, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Carlos Acutis

https://www.carloacutis.com/en/association

Carlo Acutis was blessed on feburary 21 2020 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.227.62.132 (talk) 20:57, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

That's not what that says. His beatification will go forward at an unannounced date in Assisi. All the news sources reported the same thing. Elizium23 (talk) 20:59, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Bishop-Priest

Thanks for the correction, I am getting it rectified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ginelle2017 (talk • contribs) 08:00, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Truth

Though billions of people would disagree with me, it simply does not change the truth. Truth is always objective. I think you and Wikipedia believe in consensus rather than truth. It is okay since humans like you make mistakes every moment and also do not rectify it. It is all right. Water625 (talk) 05:44, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Water625, you are correct. Consensus and verifiability override truth on Wikipedia. I disagree with your truth, I think it is false. Does that make it less true to you? Elizium23 (talk) 05:45, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

No, it does not make it less true for me. It is true anyhow. Water625 (talk) 05:47, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Water625, your truth is entirely irrelevant to Wikipedia. (So's mine.) Elizium23 (talk) 05:53, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	For diligence around Wikipedia. Thanks! PPEMES (talk) 18:32, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, @PPEMES:, it's my eighth barnstar. I've moved it to a place of permanence where I can treasure it always. (Tireless? More like "restless"!)Elizium23 (talk) 06:03, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Great! Enjoy! PPEMES (talk) 07:09, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Change in Vatican City page

I did explain in my wikipedia edit, that I can not find a mention in the preamble of the lateran treaty of it being expressively a "new creation". Therefore the passage seems to be wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8108:13C0:9CB4:3128:305E:4120:8782 (talk) 17:31, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello and request for feedback

Hello Elizium23!

I recently saw, and appreciated very much, your edit on the page for Senator Shelley Moore Capito. I wanted to ask if you would consider reading and then providing feedback on the section "Abortion" on that page and on the Talk page. There is a disagreement about whether her "anti-abortion" position/votes should be included with her "pro-abortion rights" positions/votes because an editor does not like the language of the bill in question. I thought your knowledge of the issue and contributions were thoughtful and fair and would appreciate it if you could provide some feedback. Thank you!SeminarianJohn (talk) 08:11, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Ref

Say "Glaukos was most commonly used in ancient Greece to describe healthy light-colored eyes (blue, green, or light gray)"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4601337/

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 04:27, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Doc James, Cool, thanks. I had reservations about my modification. You have set me straight. Elizium23 (talk) 05:32, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

I do not know Greek. Happy to leave it to someone who does... What do you think? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:34, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

My primary concern there was that the Glaucus article gave one definition for the word and Glaucoma gave a more or less completely different definition, for the same word. Is it worth mentioning the alternate definitions in one or both places? Glaucus' defn is uncited, though. Elizium23 (talk) 05:37, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank You

Thanks for the help with Luis Miguel Romero Fernández…

"Fight the Good Fight Every Moment"

Roberto221 (talk) 21:04, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Hiatus

Hi folks, there has been a minor disaster at my home base here. There was a major fire in two apartments and they were gutted. The building is structually sound and my place is OK, no smoke/water damage, but the electricity is an issue now, and they'll be shutting it off shortly. I will be in and out, mostly out, and I'll probably wait until Easter to return. I enjoy good harsh Holy Week penances. Stay healthy, everyone, and Sts. Hananaiah, Azariah, and Mishael, pray for us! Elizium23 (talk) 18:16, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Elizium23, I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope that everyone affected is alright and look forward to your return. I pray that you have a blessed Holy Week and Easter Day. With regards, Anupam^Talk 23:45, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

LGBT clergy

Elizium - you are very aggressive. Stop this ok. Act in good faith. Be clear about why you are making your edits. Expect to engage constructively when asked to. We're not having a culture war with these articles so please don't behave if the future of humanity is at stake. Thanks.Contaldo80 (talk) 02:54, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

I am sorry for coming on so strong, but you have to admit your own history of aggressive edit-warring. We're two of a kind, good sir. Elizium23 (talk) 03:13, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

For now, I'm just going to unwatch anything you decide to touch, because I'm not in a mood to deal with this kind of blood pressure right now. Elizium23 (talk) 03:22, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

losing three notable women through PROD process

[[3]] at this moment lists three (3) women biographies to be deleted. I thought we had an informal consensus to include more women in WP. I think your judgment here would be most helpful. Thanks in advance, even if you decide not to intervene. -CoronaEditor (talk) 14:17, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

I have no idea what these articles have to do with me. Elizium23 (talk) 15:51, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Churches of Christ

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

Elizium23, you readily admit that you are affiliated with the Roman Catholic Church, therefore, you shouldn’t be editing pages that you are doctrinally unfamiliar with. I have no intention of editing the Catholic pages(like anyone could, they’re locked). The only way you could edit the churches of Christ page is from a Catholic viewpoint, so your edits are not valid. Screw279 (talk) 03:51, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Screw279, Wikipedia has a fundamental principle of assuming good faith. Claiming someone's edit are invalid due to their religious beliefs goes against that principle. One can be religious and still edit articles with a neutral point of view. --Spiffy sperry (talk) 04:18, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

@Spiffy sperry: and @Screw279: I have seen this editor also push a non-neutral POV and has failed to assume good faith with me. I will assume this was simply their error, but I would like for others to take note. Dr. Ryan E. (talk) 15:12, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

"Weird Al" Yankovic

Hello, sorry if I made problem. I didn't meant anything bad, Weird Al is of Yugoslav descent and he has Serbian and Slovenian ancestry. I just don't get it... How those references work? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DZEI3101 (talk • contribs) 11:48, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, the fact that he is of Yugoslav descent is mentioned in the article and cites a reliable source that says he is Yugoslav. If you want to say he is Serbian or Slovenian then you need to find sources (magazines, news articles, books with interview or biography) and then put them in the article where you paraphrase what the source says. Then you can add the categories. Elizium23 (talk) 11:54, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Ok, I'm sorry if I made problem, it really wasn't my intention, I'm new here, so there still some stuff I ned to learn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DZEI3101 (talk • contribs) 12:01, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

It's OK, a lot of people don't know all the rules here (me included) but it would help you very much if you took some time to familiarize yourself with the WP:5P - 5 Pillars of Wikipedia. I also recommend using the WP:Visual Editor which can simplify adding citations. Elizium23 (talk) 12:05, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Georgian Byzantine-Rite Catholics

Thanks for this. I had some copyedits started previously but got distracted the RFD nomination and didn't actually save until after your edit. If I reverted any of your changes during the edit conflict resolution process, it was unintentional. Wikiacc (¶) 19:45, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey, you're welcome. It looks good. I appreciate your help. Elizium23 (talk) 19:46, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Post-Nominals and Honorifics

I have closed the DRN thread about religious honorifics and post-nominals. I don't see discussion of these edits on article talk pages or a user talk page. It appears that you are saying that an editor is introducing extra honorifics and post-nominals (extra if they are used anywhere except once to say what they are). If they are doing it in one article, discuss on that article's talk page. If they are doing it in multiple articles, discuss on their user talk page. If that is inconclusive, you can request dispute resolution. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:10, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, we did discuss it on their user talk page. That's why I provided a link to DRN. Elizium23 (talk) 18:13, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, User_talk:Carlm0404#February_2020 Elizium23 (talk) 18:14, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

RfC for images

Hello. I just saw the comments you left a few days ago at Sursticana's talk page concerning the images that the user had removed from numerous articles. I feel that this is an issue that needs to be resolved through consensus. I was wondering whether you thought that the talk page for WikiProject Catholicism would be an appropriate place to put such an RfC. I know that they usually go on the article talk pages, but that seems infeasable as there are so many. I'd also appreciate any advice you'd have on how to word it. Thanks. Display name 99 (talk) 14:59, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

I was considering slapping an RFC template on User talk:Surtsicna because so much discussion had already happened there. But if I had to consider a central place for it, I think I would put it at WT:SAINTS. Elizium23 (talk) 15:03, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Is a user talk page an appropriate place for an RfC? Wouldn't that risk making it too much about editors and not edits? And I don't think that putting it at the saints article would work because of the biographies that I have seen him edit, few if any are actually of saints. Display name 99 (talk) 15:12, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes. You can put it at WT:CATHOLIC, but I would make sure that WikiProject Saints, Eastern/Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglicanism, and others are notified, because the Catholic Church isn't the only one venerating or commemorating early Popes. Elizium23 (talk) 15:23, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

I'll do that. I was focusing on Medieval popes (who mostly aren't saints) because those were the biographies I first noticed were having images removed, but I see now that the same thing has happened with early popes who are saints. Display name 99 (talk) 16:54, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Jimmy Akin

Hi. The AfD happened nine years ago, and I've added sources since then. If you think the article has a tone problem, that can be addressed. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 16:11, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Russian Greek-Catholics

I’m sorry it’s my great mistake Azmi1995 (talk) 15:29, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Revert of List of saints canonized by Pope Francis

Mea culpa, and thanks for correcting my incorrect edit to List of saints canonized by Pope Francis. Truthanado (talk) 20:41, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

No problem. It is disconcerting at first to see that number! Elizium23 (talk) 20:41, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

A cookie for you too!

Thank you very much, Elizium23, for your patience and friendly reaction to my mistake.

~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:50, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

John Allen Chau

I have moved this discussion to where it belongs at Talk:John Allen Chau. Please remember to sign your posts in the future. Thank you. Elizium23 (talk) 01:07, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Please do not bite the newcomers: Difference between revisions

Hi, I a newbie here on Wikipedia. May I know why some texts were removed from this article discussion page..?? ItWiki97 (talk) 04:39, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

May 2020

On my talk you talked on it under April 2020 but constitutes the time of when you posted your comment it was May by Wikipedia authorized Time (UTC). So, I would appreciate if you could next time add something to a May 2020 section because common it’s May on my April area you don’t know what kind slack they’ll give me for that. Jerry Steinfield (talk) 01:17, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Jerry Steinfield, this is nonsense. Please have a look at your talk page. Thanks. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 01:22, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Deletion review for American Catholic Church in the United States

An editor has asked for a deletion review of American Catholic Church in the United States. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. TimOliv (talk) 01:33, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Invitation to History of Christian thought on persecution and tolerance

I'm sure you get lots of these, but I am inviting you to review a page I have just redone: History of Christian thought on persecution and tolerance. I am hoping to take it to GA, but I want other eyes on it before I do. I am still a relatively new editor. I think it's good--but then, what do I actually know about what qualifies as good in Wikipedia? Not much--so I'm hoping you do and that you're willing to share your wisdom. Please give it a quicklook, if you are willing, and comment, criticize and edit as you will! Thank you so much! Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:21, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Syro Malabar Catholic Church

Why did you Change the Syriac Name of Syro Malabar Catholic Church...It is the Official language of Church..Syro Malabar Catholic Church is Part of 23 Eastern Catholic Church ...So Add the Syriac title Back. please Add it please..Or We will Take the Actions Legally... Syriac language is Part of Our Heritage..You have no Claim to Erase it. If you are not. . Please Change its name to Syriac Also.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:3A80:1E73:FB32:CFD8:746B:CC70:1F9C (talk) 08:15, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Please add its Syriac name and Malayalam name like this The Syro-Malabar Catholic Church (Classical Syriac: ܥܸܕܬܵܐ ܩܵܬܘܿܠܝܼܩܝܼ ܕܡܲܠܲܒܵܪ ܣܘܼܪܝܵܝܵܐ Edta Qatholiqi D'Malabar Suryaya; Malayalam: മലബാറിലെ സുറിയാനി കത്തോലിക്ക സഭ '

Mar Yohanan (talk) 00:00, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Re: MOS:POSTNOM

You cited that as justification for removing the religious orders in the table. However, it does say (granted, at the very end of that section) that "[p]ost-nominals should not be added except … when the post-nominals themselves are under discussion in the material." That's the case with the archbishops of Vancouver list. I do indeed mention how "four were members of the Missionary Oblates of Mary Immaculate (OMI), and one (Dontenwill) became the superior general of the order". I also mention how McNeil was "the first archbishop who did not belong to a religious order". So for the sake of consistency, all archbishops who belonged to religious orders need to have their post-nominals listed – it wouldn't make much sense for me to only mention those belonging to the OMI. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:13, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Bloom6132, that's not what those words mean. Elizium23 (talk) 22:10, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: and I have had this conversation a few times. Elizium23 (talk) 22:11, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Then what do they mean then? The way I interpret it, "material" refers to the rest of the article (and in this specific case, the prose). —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:29, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, User:Elizium23 and User:Bloom6132. The post-nominals are really not relevant. If the fact that the previous archbishops belonged to orders is relevant (is it relevant anyway?), then that fact can be mentioned. I don't see the relevance of the post-nominals. My own opinion is that they should be listed once, either in the infobox or the text in the biography of the archbishop. I'm Catholic, and I don't consider a bishop's membership in a religious order to make any difference. In my opinion, what matters is his status as a bishop or archbishop. (The membership of a provincial in a religious order does make a difference, but that is because that is what a provincial is.) Anyone who wants to know any more about a bishop can read the bishop's biography. If I read the biography of an admiral, I either do or don't want to know whether he was a submariner or a surface ship captain or an aviator, but what is important is his rank as an admiral. And if the admiral was knighted by Elizabeth II for his service, that is only relevant once, and he doesn't need post-nominals anywhere else. what is the question? Robert McClenon (talk) 23:21, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

why

why did you revert my edit @ Catholic Church ? Rantemario (talk) 02:36, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Thanks for fact-checking the controversy section of the Marist Brothers. Allenjambalaya (talk) 04:14, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Hey, you are welcome. I will revisit the article and related topics when I have more time. And they are on my watchlist. Anytime you need a hand, I'm here for you. Elizium23 (talk) 04:17, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Re: succession box for auxiliary bishops

Is there an MOS rule against including succession boxes for auxiliary bishops? If not, I think it's useful to include one because it shows who last held the title, who concurrently served as auxiliary, and who holds the title next. In some dioceses (like Birmingham in Great Britain this past March and Milan in April), the resignation of an auxiliary bishop is accepted when another auxiliary is appointed. Hence, it could be said that they are "succeeding" to that post. —Bloom6132 (talk) 01:00, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Bloom6132, no opposition was raised when I posted to WT:CATHOLIC. Elizium23 (talk) 01:04, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

I don't think that's the same thing as reaching a consensus … —Bloom6132 (talk) 01:06, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

That is partly how this consensus has been formed. Elizium23 (talk) 01:22, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Last time I checked, consensus is established through the positive act of discussion and then voicing support or opposition. What you have above is a monologue where no one else participated. WP:TALKDONTREVERT states: "Consensus cannot always be assumed simply because editors stop responding to talk page discussions in which they have already participated.". And remember, silence does not imply consent when drafting new policies. —Bloom6132 (talk) 01:39, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

The chief way most consensus is formed is by editing, and reverts or discussion occur when a dispute arises. I enjoy widespread consensus by making edits that are reviewed by others, and allowed to stand. Elizium23 (talk) 04:19, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Aha birth name with a t.

May be an idea to specify that ? If someone is interested to do so. Not an excuse, i would have still made the mistake probably. Hmm, resist urge of seemingly obvious mistake corrections, look twice first, if i do this a next time (and if i remember). Thanks for the setting straight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by G Wijnsma (talk • contribs) 22:37, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Rafael Guízar y Valencia

I'm somewhat reluctant to post directly on your talk page and so will do so very carefully. But you have not responded to my concerns on the talk page of Rafael Guízar y Valencia. It is not evident to me that you followed the correct procedures when you flagged some of the text as violating copyright. If you do not specify at the time where the copyright concern lies then it is very hard for other editors to (a) verify that you are correct, and (b) take action to improve the article while avoiding text that is subject to copyright. I raised a similar concern on another article where this happened. If you have indeed followed the correct procedure then it's good to know and I thank you very much for doing that, but it's critical to ensure transparency. Contaldo80 (talk) 03:25, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Your post there

Honestly, this is the place to be. All the best! ——Serial^# 16:35, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Serial Number 54129, yes, sorry for the confusion, your username and the offender's username looked so similar that I just assumed he had begun deleting stuff on AN/I as well. I am embarrassed now. Oh well, nothing that a little googling won't tell anyone else. Elizium23 (talk) 16:37, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

No problem! Apologies for looking like a troll :) take care! ——Serial^# 16:41, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Before you post about it in another forum, I'm confused what the point of your post was, anyway. Your user page lists the very thing he commented about. No Googling is required. Unless I'm missing something (and if I am, no need to out yourself showing me what I missed). Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 16:45, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Jauerback, I am quite confident that it doesn't. Elizium23 (talk) 16:46, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Understood. I definitely misunderstood, so no need to elaborate. Best of luck and my apologies. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 16:48, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Complaint at WP:AN3

Hello Elizium23. Please see WP:AN3#User:Dbrodbeck reported by User:Permareperwiki1664 (Result: ). Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 17:57, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

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Seriously?

Yes. It is now redundant. Basilicas in the Catholic Church contains all the material that it contained and eliminated a lot of Italo-English bad grammar. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:05, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Laurel Lodged, ah, no, we're going to merge that article back into the main one according to the RFC on Talk:Basilica. That article was created against consensus by GPinkerton, who is disdainful of all things Catholic and sought to sideline the closely interlinked meanings of Basilica. Elizium23 (talk) 17:06, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

I half changed my mind. The main Basilica article shuold continue to have the 3 forms in scope. I don't dispute that. But it is excessive to have 2 articles dealing with very similar material with massive amounts of duplication. The GPinkerton article merges them. And I have attempted to reduce GPinkerton's obvious bias by my many edits in the merging process. I was hoping that you'd find the result to be pleasing. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:21, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

How do I withdraw the Afd without breaking things in the log etc? Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:23, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Laurel Lodged, there is a procedure at WP:WDAFD but it only works if nobody has "supported" your proposal, and I don't know if "merge" or "redirect" !votes count as "support". Elizium23 (talk) 22:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

It looks like The Banner is trying to subvert the agreement. See diff here]/ Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:16, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

In his defense, you should have given attribution to the pages you copied from. He is right to revert copyvios. Elizium23 (talk) 18:36, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

COI

I am quite surprised at how you have handled my potential COI, and that you presume bad faith on my part.

The editions and my mistake regarding the Order of St. Augustine and the Hermits of St. Augustine date back from February 2009, more than 11 years ago when I did not know to edit and how to move pages. I think this issue is utterly irrelevant in 2020.
My editions to the page of the Colegio San Agustín are also from 11 years ago, 2009, and I just created the page with minimum information hoping that more people would help with it, which has not happened and left it there.

You press severe charges on me leaving me without any way of defending myself although I have been as transparent as I can. I would invite you to point out specific promotion, non-neutrality, advertising or any other form of misconduct from my part because, as I already said, I am only interested in contributing to the historical facts about the topics I am interested in. --Kaklen (talk) 10:17, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Diocese of Beaumont Texas Page

I added the proper information. I have contacts within that diocese. The vicar general is Msgr. Michael Jamail and the Bishop-Elect is Msgr. David L. Toups. The latter, I suppose, is national news, though. The biggest candy master (talk) 00:57, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

The biggest candy master, that is odd because a sede vacante diocese has no Vicar General. We don't add the bishop to the infobox and such until he is installed, which is when he takes office. Elizium23 (talk) 05:47, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

I am very well aware of that. However, by definition, a sede vacante diocese has no bishop (think the Archdiocese of Anchorage, who's archbishop got transferred to Seattle, leaving his seat vacant), whereas this diocese has a Vicar General, Bishop-Elect and a Bishop Emeritus/Apostolic Admin. The biggest candy master (talk) 14:04, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

That comment was addressed to Elizium23 The biggest candy master (talk) 14:05, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Elizium23, if you are going to persist, then do not delete the following information: the Bishop of Beaumont is Curtis Guillory, until June 9th. After that date the Pope appointed him APOSTOLIC ADMIN. The biggest candy master (talk) 14:07, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

To all those trying to blindside me: §2. When the function of the diocesan bishop is suspended, the power of a vicar general and an episcopal vicar is suspended. Canon 481. This states that their power is suspended, but not their office. Therefore, the Monsignor Michael Jamail remains Vicar General (at least in name) until another is appointed. I am hereby dropping this matter. Just thought I'd share this with the 3+ Wiki editors telling me I'm wrong. The biggest candy master (talk) 00:08, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Editing Fr. John Zuhlsdorf page - trying to change incorrect coat of arms

I see you have done work on the relevant page. For years the coat of arms of Fr. Zuhlsdorf has been inaccurate. I tried to change it today, but I don't know how. His arms are on his blog page. I upload a file. I don't know how to make the change. Perhaps you would be so kind, since you have expertise. Also, you said that citations were needed for Fr. Zuhlsdorf's diaconal ordination. He wrote on his blog that he was ordained by Card. Mayer on the Feast of the Sacred Heart in 1990 in the Basilica of San Nicola in Carcere. https://wdtprs.com/2011/05/paul-augustin-card-mayer-osb-100-years-r-i-p/ Again, you seem to know how to do these things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vigilans1571 (talk • contribs) 22:15, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Vigilans1571, the usual way we do coats of arms is that one of the volunteers who knows heraldry creates it in a graphic program, and releases it under a compatible license. We would be unable to use arms which are copied from his blog due to copyright concerns. I will cite the ordination. Elizium23 (talk) 22:29, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps it would be better simply to remove the inaccurate arms. It is clearly an error. What if we get Fr. Zuhlsdorf's permission to use the arms on the blog? Maybe one of us could write to him? And please be patient with me. I haven't done editing here. I'm learning.Vigilans1571 (talk) 22:56, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Vigilans1571, the relevant instructions are at WP:OTRS for someone releasing copyrighted information to be licensed for use on Wikipedia. He would need to select a license such as CC-BY-SA 3.0. It's a pretty simple email exchange; he'll need to prove his identity and rights to the image.

But as I say, this is unusual for a coat of arms, which is something normally made from the ground up with a free license. The free arms are of better quality, because they are SVG format. The best thing to do would be to contact one of those creators and request it. Elizium23 (talk) 23:13, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

St Nicholas

Hi Elizium23. I don't want to stoke up the fire on the talk page, but to be accurate MrOllie reverted at 19:35 on 17 June 2020, 03:48 on 18 June 2020‎ and 16:51 on 18 June 2020 which is three times in a 24 hour period. Félix An has reverted twice so far. That's why I warned about the period. Let's just hope that they heed the warning at stop it, which is by far the most important thing. Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 16:23, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Martin of Sheffield, and since WP:3RR is a bright line, 3 reverts is not sanctionable unless there are some aggravating circumstances. Elizium23 (talk) 16:33, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Warning

Where is your edit war warning at the other user's page? $ɱ$ (talk) 20:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Ɱ, Strebe's at 2 and added a source, you're at 4. Elizium23 (talk) 20:43, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Meh, regardless of numbers, they're pushing an incredibly bold claim supported by something that is questionably an RS. I hate that y'all usually warn one person and not the other. Takes two people to have a war, editing or not.

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(talk) 20:46, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Your own revert should count too, where's your contribution to the talk page discussion?!? You and them are just ganging up with reverts to push your idea, without any supplemental references. $ɱ$ (talk) 20:48, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Like let's not be confused here between 3RR and edit warring. You both are pushing your bold opinions repeatedly without/while taking it to talk, I should really be edit war-warning you both! $ɱ$ (talk) 20:51, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Partly because I can't get a word in edgewise. Elizium23 (talk) 20:57, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

MOS:IS doesn’t apply for Bangladesh

Hi, i reverted your 2 edits. You applied MOS:IS for wrong country. MOS:IS doesn’t apply for Bangladesh related articles. From MOS:IS: This avoidance of Indic scripts only applies to articles that are predominantly India-related and is excluded from, among others, articles about Hinduism, Buddhism, Pakistan or any of India's neighbouring countries. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 14:51, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Nontrinitarism

I got it from [[4]] and check through all I added and each said Nontrinatarian and which groups they split from and etc. Apha9 (talk) 18:54, 7 July 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apha9 (talk • contribs)

Wikipedia is not a reliable source, so you will need citations for each one, describing their nontrinitarianism belief, which you can take from the main articles. Elizium23 (talk) 19:19, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

I don't know how to citate on Wikipedia so if you have the time maybe you could edit up the extra groups for Nontrinitarian Groups some point.Apha9 (talk) 10:07, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

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Apologies

I did not realize that presuming the ethnicity (Irish) of people with Irish surnames like Casey, Carroll, Kenny, Malone, etc. was a violation of Wikipedia rules. I presume that cases where the individual was born in Ireland, or his or her parents are identified as Irish immigrants to the USA qualify. 2604:2000:EFC0:12:7922:1B66:98F2:E6E1 (talk) 22:19, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Von Balthasar

The reference you've provided does not support the asserted claim that he has been declared a Servant of God. If he had been then this should be easy to prove but no such reliable reference exists that I can find. If you can find one that clearly states this is true then please do do. Otherwise the claim is unreliable and must stay out of the article. Yahboo (talk) 06:38, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

eens

Why does it seem inappropriate for encyclopedia? Eensbooks (talk) 18:51, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Verified Jehovah's Witness information removed

Hi can you explain why an article from Jehovahs Witnesses website was removed from the section about Infant Baptism? If you let me know what the problem was Ican correct and re-publish. Thank you Verifyall!0 (talk) 17:15, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Vandal newcomer

Hi, I just reverted the exact same deliberate removal of content from 16 articles, without any explanation whatsoever, by the same newcomer, Itzcoalt (talk · contribs), that you had already warned on his Talk page on March 2020; he just keeps repeating the same thing over and over again despite the warnings. Can we please stop this guy?--GenoV84 (talk) 10:52, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

GenoV84, this user is active on other language Wikis, such as eswiki, frwiki, and also on Wikidata. He may not speak any English. He is definitely uncommunicative. Please warn the user when you revert, as that will establish a track record of disruptive editing. Then we can go to WP:AIV. Elizium23 (talk) 11:27, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

He's doing it again after i warned him, on the same pages he vandalized yesterday.--GenoV84 (talk) 07:49, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Threatening

Why do you feel it's necessary to threaten me? As part of Wikipedia, I can edit- without your permission. Who are you in the grand scheme of things to tell me what I can or cannot edit? Be prepared I will not hesitate to report you. Brainyack813 (talk) 19:54, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

WP:SPEAKENGLISH

Just to let you know that, following up from our discussion at User talk:Նարեկ Համբարձումյան, I've started [5]. I appreciate your intervention with that article, but the phrasing of the link was inappropriate here. THanks. Mike Peel (talk): 14:00, 3 August 2020‎

I stand by what I wrote. Elizium23 (talk) 21:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Brian Kraft edit, please bear with me

Hello Elizium23. I'm trying to find my way around Wikipedia and proper etiquette on the encyclopedia. Alas, I did intentionally remove Brian Kraft's pic at his request. I will look into practices on Wikipedia. If you could point out a good YouTube account which gives solid Wikipedia editing information, that would be fantastic. Alas, I'm sure you're busy. If I have done something in error, please let me know. Much appreciated. Toolroom (talk) 01:20, 7 August 2020 (UTC)