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Aaww, shucks! Thanks for the star. I hope those pages didn't cause you any inconvenience. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 05:07, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

No, the two protected ones were indef blocked users, so I just removed them from the list. The other one I just delivered myself. Thanks- L'Aquatique[happy fourth!] 05:08, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:Judaism newsletter

Very, very nice. Thanks for taking the initiative on this. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 04:56, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey. If this was your idea, thanks. The project has needed a newsletter for some time! Happy Independence Day! Tomer^talk 04:45, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Request for help

Hi L'Aquatique. You wrote on Talk:Shituf "perhaps you would like to open an informal case with the Mediation Cabal?" Can you please give me some information about this? -LisaLiel (talk) 02:44, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Shalom, Lisa! In the dispute resolution process, a medcab case would be the next step past RFC in the dispute resolution chain of events. Basically, medcab is an informal version of arbcom- we try to help the parties find a common ground so we can work more effectively. Generally, we deal with content issues but, and this is at least my take on it, underlaying content issues are usually conflicts between editors and that is what needs to be addressed during an medcab preceding. I think the conflict over at Shituf is ideal for a medcab case because there are basically two parties involved- you and Tim, and you both have clear-cut ideas about what the article is supposed to be like. What we would do is try to foster a civil discussion between you two, and any other interested parties, and forge a compromise. Technically speaking, how it would go down is the mediator- who can be me if you desire or you can post the case and someone else can come along and mediate, would give both you and Tim an opportunity to explain your position, and then we would try to find a way to meet both of your needs. If I mediate, I believe what I would do is create two copies of the article in userspace and ask you each make it exactly how you think it should be. Then, we will work to merge the two versions.

A medcab decision is not binding- I cannot block or ban you and I cannot enforce what we decide upon. Like the rest of the 'pedia, it's based on consensus and the idea that we can find a solution that both parties are happy with. That being said, there are a few ground rules- both you and Tim must explicitly agree that you want to take part in the case, and you have to agree to be civil and make no personal attacks.

More information can be found here: Mediation Cabal. Let me know if you would be interested in opening a case. L'Aquatique[review] 08:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Night-time discussion

Aww, thanks for the thought :) Unfortunately there's absolutely no chance of my being able to sleep tonight. A major personal issue just came up ten minutes ago... and I was already suffering a panic attack prior to that. I think I'll smarten up the Airsoft article or do something else wholly unrelated to humans. -Rushyo (talk) 23:11, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

[big pointless hug] -Rushyo (talk) 00:09, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

This really is one of those nights: [1]. -Rushyo (talk) 00:16, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Just had a look. Seems better than my content... I'm just too worked up. -Rushyo (talk) 00:29, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Seconded. You know, your IQ is one higher than mine -.- -Rushyo (talk) 00:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

D I won't, but my talk page might. -Rushyo (talk) 00:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

There's certainly no Cabal case... anymore. I'm discussing the value of IQ tests with a friend now. -Rushyo (talk) 00:52, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

You went quiet o.o. Was my joke in bad taste? -Rushyo (talk) 01:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

See, I actually think IQ scores can be a worthwhile indicator of certain traits. Some a direct correlation and some as a by-product of those correlations. Almost all my friends have similar IQs to me and that's despite it certainly being the last thing I'd use as a factor in choosing potential friends. -Rushyo (talk) 01:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Think I'm finally calming down... I've mostly stopped shaking anyway! -Rushyo (talk) 01:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

'twas a sockpuppet of a guy whose article I recently put up for deletion. His actions have already caused one editor to leave Wikipedia. I chastised him here: User_talk:Mattihorn. Very sad stuff :( -Rushyo (talk) 01:41, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I like boring. Boring means no panic attacks. As I just said on MSN: "most things that don't involve human beings are more predictable and less aggressive" -Rushyo (talk) 01:47, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

My Computer Science and Maths lecturer at university was like that. Shame the subject matter tended to be boring too. I almost almost fell asleep in his lectures then grabbed the online lecture notes. Anyway I really ought to get to sleep now that I can... I really hope we can talk again soon though :) Byeee! -Rushyo (talk) 01:54, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

A "new" article for Malik Obama----

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For What It's Worth

Although I'm proud of that first paragraph (the two of us actually agreed on something), I prefer most of your page to what I was left with after the compromises.Tim (talk) 17:45, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I'll put back the first paragraph, then. L'Aquatique[review] 17:48, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

-)Tim (talk) 17:50, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, I took a look at the page, I'm not exactly sure which paragraph you are talking about. Can you elaborate so I can go fix it? L'Aquatique[review] 17:52, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry -- it's the very first paragraph at the top of the page.

Ours reads:

Shituf is the term used in Jewish law for worship of the God of Israel with an association of external powers, deities, or internal aspects. Any worship deemed by Judaism to fall short of pure monotheism is considered avodah zarah ("strange worship" or "idolatry"), and is forbidden both to Jews and to non-Jews, but shituf is a lesser form of avodah zarah which some rabbinic authorities consider to be permissible for non-Jews, since it does include worship of the One God of Israel.

Yours reads:

Shituf or shittuf is a Hebrew term which describes the worship or belief of other gods in addition to the God of Israel. It should not be confused with avodah zarah, idolatry. Although the concept of Shituf predates Christianity, in modern times it is most often used to describe the Christian worship of the Trinity.

Tim (talk) 18:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

As I said, over all I think yours is better. Your version contains the consensus of all previous editors. My version basically contains Lisa's single handed re-edit with my hard fought rewording of the first paragraph so that it at least defined Shituf in a way that COULD hypothetically be applied to Christianity. But that's the best I could do. If you want support for your version (or my Lisa compromise version) I'll go either way. I just want some peace so we can walk away from this. And I'm seriously thinking of changing my screen name. This edit war FOLLOWS me into different pages.Tim (talk) 18:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, apparently Lisa disagrees. I can say this honestly, without being blasphemous: I really couldn't care less about shituf. I make it a point to respect other people's spiritual beliefs, and I believe the whole idolatry thing, whether it is shituf or avodah zarah, is outdated. I believe it has historical value, but that's about it. L'Aquatique[review] 18:16, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

LOL! No disrespect taken! I have no patience for polemics, and only really care that articles on the subject not contradict THEMSELVES. If there is an "ultimate truth" we're certainly not able to concoct it.Tim (talk) 18:25, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Boy, howdy that's the truth. Being overly zealous about anything, even the truth is never a good idea. L'Aquatique[review] 18:35, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Quick question -- do I just ignore this cabal thing? I'm still learning what things are around here and don't know if this is something to deal with or ignore. [2]Tim (talk) 18:59, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, actually she opened the medcab case under my advice. I think that it would be really beneficial for you guys to have some outside mediation because there seems to be a bit of animosity and a mediator can help you guys with that. Of course, you can choose not to join the mediation, but I strongly suggest you at least give it a try. L'Aquatique[review] 19:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't dislike any mediators enough to want to subject them to this! I had to stay off for months just to recover mentally from the last edit war that destroyed months worth of work on a collaborative effort in which Jews, Christians, Muslims, and Messianics were all working peacefully together on a glossary. The only way to mediate this is to let her do what she wants and hope she doesn't follow you to the next page. And I'm not exaggerating. Bikinibomb can give you his angle from a Muslim perspective. Just imagine those four groups cooperating... It was beautiful.Tim (talk) 19:17, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

See, this is why I think the Wikimedia foundation deserves a nobel prize. Well, in any case, I would still encourage you to give it a try, the mediators are very experienced with this type of thing and you may like it more than you expect. Of course, I can't force you to do it, but...

Oh, have you considered joining WikiProject Judaism? We're a pretty good sized WikiProject, could always use as many knowledgeable editors as we can find! L'Aquatique[review] 19:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite! I'm on it, but I haven't had a chance to do much yet. :-)Tim (talk) 19:28, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah yes, I see you have the newsletter on your page. I just didn't remember seeing your name when I was compiling the delivery list. L'Aquatique[review] 19:31, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

If you can make a comment here [3] I think we can put this to bed.Tim (talk) 15:32, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

ArbCom

Yeah, I'm just putting together a document now to be honest. Not hugely worried by the idea but it seems a complete waste of everybody's time. -Rushyo (talk) 19:56, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's just my neck on the line :) Can't do any better than being honest if you get involved though. Showing them you had good intentions is probably the most important aspect.

Thanks :) I was hoping you could review User:Rushyo/Regarding Alastair Haines for me and point out anything that might be undiplomatic or inaccurate. -Rushyo (talk) 20:45, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

To be honest, it's tempting to bring Alastair before ArbCom if he doesn't start a case himself... if only as a response to the emotional distress of threatening to do it. He shouldn't be allowed to get away with that kind of behaviour. I suffer from various forms of depression and this is really pushing me over the edge. I certainly won't be sleeping any tonight! (and I'm supposed to be going to a lecture on AI in video games tomorrow) -Rushyo (talk) 21:26, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

If either of you get grilled, I will speak in your defence. You both did a LOT of things well.

I still need an apology, but as far as I'm concerned, you just got sucked in by all the bad-mouthing of me that was floating around.

I will be starting a case against Ilkali at ArbCom. He has wasted a bit of your time, and a LOT of mine.

"It will be a cold day in hell before I apologize for being honest" — L'Aquatique.

I am more gentle than you are, L'Aquatique. But were you to apply that principle to me, you could not condemn me.

On the other hand, I am not only honest, I have been patient, delivering the truth only when it becomes necessary, and withholding my opinions altogether.

I thank you both for something you did not see. Ilkali was forced, by your presence, to take content issues I'd raised seriously at last. I also thank you both for volunteering your time, and I do not doubt you both were 100% genuine in seeking to help everyone and to help Wiki and good luck to you both in future cases.

This matter is not about content (neither Ilkali nor Alynna have provided any), nor is it about me (I didn't ask for mediation regarding my behaviour). It is about unresolved slander against a user who works from his real life name. Someone, other than me simply must address this. It is time consuming to ensure this is done on the basis of real evidence.

I have tried every means to spare others time in this, but the bottom line is that I have given a lot of time to Wiki, and intend to give more. Also, in the end, someone simply needs to say "I am not Alastair, but I have checked what he says and it is consistent. He really has been discredited, and without any basis but heresay, not itself based on fact."

Consider this, at the very first point I challenged your opinions, you both accused me of being uncivil. Over a period of months I've ignored slights and attacks and attempted to get issues addressed, resorting to "honesty" only when it became absolutely necessary, delivering it as warnings, usually specifying ways in which things could be changed positively.

It is regarding your countering challenges to your opinions by accusations of incivility at the very first instance that means I would love to hear an apology from you. It ought to be the easiest thing in the world. For as long as I am at Wiki, I will welcome such an apology from either of you, and esteem you all the more for it.

Regards Alastair Haines (talk) 21:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Verb -to weasel (third-person singular simple present weasels, present participle weaseling or weaselling, simple past and past participle weaseled or weaselled)

1. To benefit by clever or devious means, esp. to escape a commitment (from the supposed cunningness of the weasel).

I may not have a thesis to my name and may have never practised weaselling my way out of having to justify my behaviour like you do but damn it I am not going to let you get away with your atrocious behaviour without some kind of reprimand. You have way too much to answer for to attempt to brush it off my suddenly changing your demeanour and pretended none of your actions ever happened. When you treat people like you have treated them you cannot dust off the effect it has with fine words.

Unlike your ArbCom threat, mine is not empty. You do not threaten something like that, renege on it and then have the cheek to espouse your amazing honesty to the very party you threatened. I cannot honestly imagine for a second you have actually learnt a thing from this. You are already seeking to do it to someone else. It wouldn't be so bad if you'd just identify what you did wrong. If there's any justice to be had then I feel I'm going to see it through that course of action. -Rushyo (talk) 22:08, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Having had a bit of time to think about this I'm going to put in an RfC. I'm not going to follow your example. Such a twitch reaction would only serve to undermine my argument against your behaviour. -Rushyo (talk) 22:44, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

L'Aquatique, could you please visit Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Alastair Haines and give your input? -Rushyo (talk) 22:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

That I intend to go to ArbCom is not a threat, it has nothing to do with you, except that mediation failed to hold Ilkali accountable for his personal attacks.

I have done nothing "outrageous" unless it was to ask you to stick to the aim of the mediation request. And to point out that calling me "uncivil" the first time I challenged some of your opinions needs a case, not an assertion.

I cannot see how my education is relevant to anything.

Quoting a definition of weasle and applying it to me is most definitely an attack of a rather personal nature.

You still haven't actually specified anything that I've done wrong, except to refuse to admit that I'm wrong. How can I admit to wrongs that are clearly untrue?

It comes across to me, and I could be wrong, that perhaps you think I'm some kind of ponce who thinks he's an infallible genius and wants everyone to bow before him. Were that true, there'd be abundant evidence of it in two years at Wiki. There is none. Not even in the current situation. If it's false. Then you do me a very great injustice.

I do hope this is not your view, because not only is it impossible to prove, there are many who would testify that it is not so.

It is good that you've made an outburst like this. It is clearly over the top and easy to apologise for it.

If I was in your shoes, I would hate me too. At least for a while. In absolute sincerity, I will esteem you highly if you apologise. And I mean esteem. Respect. I don't blame you for getting upset, or even saying things too strongly. The main reason I raise the apology point is to show how easy it is to resolve things. I do not feel superior if offered an apology, I feel relieved. My inappropriate instinct is normally to want to be inappropriately friendly at that point.

As I've mentioned, I'd actually prefer someone try to take me to ArbCom, I think the request is less likely to be declined. The same issues will be discussed whichever way it is done. Alastair Haines (talk) 22:56, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Alastair, for the love of all that is holy, stop. At this point, I think this case is beyond my abilities, and I am going to ask the Mediation Committee- who are more experienced than me, to take over for the mediation portion. Rushyo has opened a Request For Comment on you, which means the community will be discussing your attitude and depending on their decision it may go to Arbcom. I have nothing more to say to you. L'Aquatique[review] 23:07, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Meep

How are ye? -Rushyo (talk) 22:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Good to hear you're well :)

Seems Alastair got himself unbanned by, not entirely surprisingly, saying the 'right thing' after the incident occured. How you could possibly construe what he put as not being a legal threat I don't know. The whole issue of the RfC was about threats not carried out after the damage is done. Seems I may have to wrangle a bit to get the RfC reopened.

My project is going okay. I think 'project' might be overstating it a bit. -Rushyo (talk) 12:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Mew? -Rushyo (talk) 22:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

^_^ Hehe. Getting more flak from randomers... -Rushyo (talk) 22:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Guess I'm just a magnet for it! Would you prefer to talk on an IM client? Using the wiki to chat is rather clunky... -Rushyo (talk) 23:21, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Yep :) and that would've been my suggestion -Rushyo (talk) 23:26, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Not getting the confirmation emails I need to enable email sending... -Rushyo (talk) 23:33, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Yaaay! Working, finally. -Rushyo (talk) 23:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

New sig >.> -Rushyo ^Talk 18:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

User:Rushyo/Drafts/Don't_stop_taking_your_medication -Rushyo ^Talk 02:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Elective prod

I think your proposed deletion of elective was the second one made for that article. At any rate, I contested it because I think the concept is highly important in education, and while the article is underdeveloped, I feel it is better than having no article. Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:17, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

As it stands currently, the article is a dictionary definition, pure and simple. Please see Wikipedia is not a Dictionary for more information. This article either needs to be improved to be more than a dictionary definition, or transwikied to Wiktionary. L'Aquatique[review] 18:44, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not entirely happy with the article either, I have made a stab at expanding it beyond bare bones stub, but I'm not really satisfied with it. I just feel that deletion requires the article to be really useless. Sjakkalle (Check!) 06:23, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, as is, I think it would probably fail an AFD. But since I agree with you that it is a valid idea, I'll try to be an eventualist for once in my life and let it be. : ) L'Aquatique[review] 06:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Righteous Babes Records

Hi, sorry about that. I should have been clearer; there is a huge goatse image plastered on the page, and another little module that says something about "my motherfucking site." I let a friend know, he's trying to take care of it now. Zchangu (talk) 18:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Saskatchewan Highway 11

Thank you for the awesome image map you made for this highway. Would you like me to work on an article of your choice likewise for an equal amount of time, or would you like an award/barnstar? Kind Regards SriMesh | talk 18:55, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Either is fine with me. If you'd like to work on an article, anything in Category:Alaska, Category:Judaism, or Category:Jews and Judaism would be great. But an award would be awesome too, so I'll just let you make that decision. Thanks-- L'Aquatique[review] 19:19, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Saskatchewan		WikiProject Saskatchewan Barnstar
		WikiProject Saskatchewan barnstars are the official award for outstanding, extensive, high-quality, or generally valued contributions to WikiProject Saskatchewan Or they can be awarded by anyone, to anyone who has showed significant efforts to improve WikiProject Saskatchewan.

Thanks for your note about making maps for the other highways! That is amazing! Kind Regards SriMesh | talk 20:24, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Have a Super Shabbat

Thanks again for the barnstar! And, thank G-d it's almost shabbat! I need a break, and I hope you have a fabulous day :-)Tim (talk) 20:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Habby Birthday!!! Night now. :-)Tim (talk) 20:20, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Wondering . . .

Wondering if you have an opinion on the indefinite block placed on User:Boy2boy. I have reviewed the user's two article-space edits (out of a grand total of six edits) and agree they weren't constructive, but an indefinite block seems extraordinarily harsh for someone with a new account who violated no policies and wasn't continuing to disrupt in any way. By way of background, someone objected (in a homophobic way) to the user's username and the benign (albeit openly queer) content of his or her userpage as well as his or her edits. I am a totally disinterested party in this matter, but I cannot help being concerned when good faith and standard blocking policy appear to be tossed out in a case that began with a complaint from an established editor lecturing an apparent newby on "choice of lifestyle" (see User_talk:Boy2boy). Would value your insight into this but will understand if you're not inclined to get involved. Rivertorch (talk) 06:49, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, here's what I see:

1. 2 mainspace article edits, both vandalism

   both using misleading edit summaries which tends to set off bad faith alarm bells in my head

2. username that as far as I can tell is probably wouldn't offend the pope
3. first block against user was indefinite, no official warning given to explain that his behavior was inappropriate

This user does seem to be a vandal, that itself would be hard to deny. However, I think an indefinite block after two minor vandalism edits and no warning was unwarranted and against blocking policy. Users should only be blocked without warning when they're making massive amounts of vandalism, death/legal threats, etc. I don't see that here. Users should only be indef blocked when there is "significant disruption or threats of disruption, or major breaches of policy" (WP:BLOCK) which I also don't see here. Thus, I would support contesting the block but making sure the user knows he's not entirely off the hook. L'Aquatique[review] 07:08, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your input. I agree with you. Rivertorch (talk) 16:10, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

MedCab

Welcome to MedCab. Hope you have uh, fun or whatever. :)

What's the status on Gender of God? It looks like you've funneled it off to MedCom, so would it be safe to close the MedCab case page? --The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake 19:30, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the case was rejected by medcom because one of the participants was... shall we say, unruly? One block for legal threats and a user conduct RFC later and the issue seems to have died down. There is ongoing conversation on the talk page which is what I like to see. I think the case can be closed. L'Aquatique[review] 19:34, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Alright. Glad to hear. I've closed the case for you, it should be archived automatically by the medcab bot. If you need any help with anything just let me know on my talkpage. Or, if you like a faster medium, we could chat it up at the IRC channel irc://irc.freenode.net/wikipedia-medcab.

(Also, no need to use talkback, I've got your page watchlisted) ;) - The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake 19:42, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Got a chuckle...

...on this one. Thanks!  Frank  |  talk  22:19, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Heh, thanks. I'm finding the whole situation to be a little bit disturbing. There is an awful lot of heckling the opposition by certain editors, and way too much paranoia about canvassing. It's pretty messed up. L'Aquatique[review] 00:51, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

User:L'Aquatique/RFA FAQ

Hey,

I looked over your answers as you requested and here are a few things

• Don't indefinitely semi-protect articles.
• If an IP is already an egregious vandal block account creation too. If an individual has shown himself to have no interest in improving the encylopedia what good will letting him create accounts do?
• As well as a decision by Jimbo or the ArbCom , a consensus by editors (I have usually seen this happen an WP:AN) can place a ban. See Wikipedia:BAN#Community_ban.
• If an administrator account is committing vandalism immediately contact the stewards, blocking them will be ineffective because they can just undo the block.

Sorry this response was kind of slow. I was on a field trip with ANWR. -IcĕwedgЁ (ťalķ) 06:01, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, dude! Hope your trip was awesome. I'm working on a second batch of questions as we speak. I want to be über prepared. L'Aquatique[review] 09:32, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

R:

{{talkback}} §hep • ¡Talk to me! 12:50, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Lo-Ji sales

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. It's hard to say from contribs whether the creator's a sockpuppet, but there's enough evidence that I think a checkuser will look at it. I've filed the request. Again, thanks. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 01:19, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Moses:On hold

I start reviewing the article. You can find it here. Due to lack of secondary sources in some parts of the article I put tags on it. If you agree, I'll check other criteria after adding reliable secondary sources.--Seyyed(t-c) 02:16, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I'm a little confused. Don't you usually review the entire article before putting it on hold? L'Aquatique[review] 03:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I usually check the article and whenever find any minor problem put it on hold. I guess it's easier to solve the problems one by one. I can complete my review, if you want. --Seyyed(t-c) 11:08, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Is there something like this which clarify the standard style of articles which relate to Judaism?--Seyyed(t-c) 11:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Do you agree to withdraw the article now and renominate it later?--Seyyed(t-c) 02:39, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Pink Floyd star

Make a Pink Floyd star! It would be good for many Floydians. I reckon you should crop this pic:

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AVOID the original album cover or fair use rationale will be over to your house to block the pic.--Editor510 ^{drop us a line, mate} 19:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Try the top point of the star too. The triangle and that is the top point.--Editor510 ^{drop us a line, mate} 15:47, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

You see that top point? Use a black/clear barnstar and replace it with the prism, rainbow and light.--Editor510 ^{drop us a line, mate} 18:08, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Vice president

Hello i dint do any edit on Vice president. i am note evn aware that there is such an article 61.95.201.56 (talk) 08:19, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Fixed an apparent formatting error in your RfA question page. Otherwise, the answers look good, although I might myself phrase some of the answers regarding semi-protection for a bit more clarity. Also, a question regarding the Judaism newsletter. The Christianity WikiProject is going to try to start some cooperative work with the Simple English Wikipedia on some of their content. There is the beginning of a worklist for such work at simple:User:Eptalon/Religion-related worklist, and I'm starting a main list of the content there at User:John Carter/Simple English wikipedia. In the Christianity project we're going to be starting a monthly "challenge" to create a missing Simple English article on one of the more important missing subjects there. Maybe you might be able to add a note about possibly working with them in next month's newsletter. John Carter (talk) 18:39, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I'll take a look at those questions and make sure to clarify.

I will definitely add that information to the next newsletter. I myself had already added some articles to the worklist: diff.

Thanks! L'Aquatique[review] 18:49, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Templating the regulars

Some parts moved from various other talk pages <br?> Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, we remind you not to template the regulars, as you did on User talk:Merzpow. Making a personal, specific comment will probably make for a friendlier and more productive atmosphere than using a template that treats the editor as a clueless newbie. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. The Evil Spartan (talk) 03:00, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

You do realize that you just warned a regular from templating the regulars... using a template? That's actually kind of funny.

Anyway, I wasn't paying attention I was just warning all the various people involved in the edit war. I'll go back and change it to a more friendly sounding warning. L'Aquatique[review] 03:03, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I do. In fact, I had to retrieve the template from ciiwiki, because that one was deleted. I just couldn't help myself. The Evil Spartan (talk) 03:04, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Lol... I wonder why? Here's my apology to the templated user: [4]. Thanks for the notice! L'Aquatique[review] 03:13, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Aw, that was nice. God for you. We all have WP:MASTADON moments we regret within about 15 seconds (me especially). Good move. The Evil Spartan (talk) 03:16, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

G-d for me? Sweet. :P L'Aquatique[review] 03:17, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

As above. If you wish to be constructive, perhaps you could look into the article in question and give a 3rd party opinion, or even put a friendly note on my talk page. I have been here long enough to be well aware of 3RR, please don't template me again. Sennen goroshi (talk) 04:09, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I assumed you didn't know about it because you have already violated it. I provided a third party opinion on this case long ago that the website could be considered Islamophobia (or a hate site). However, whether I agree with you or not, continuing to violate 3RR will likely get you blocked, which would be a bummer. So, here's what I'd like to see: stop reverting Merzpow's changes, and start a discussion on the talk page. If you feel that it cannot be resolved immediately, I'd gladly mediate the situation for you with medcab. I'd first, however, prefer to see some attempt at primary dr.

I apologize if my template was rude, that was not my intention. I did not assume good faith and that was a mistake on my part. However, I'd ask that you also assume good faith and not respond angrily to me. It does not help the situation.

Thanks! L'Aquatique[review] 04:15, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough, I should have had a little more faith in you and your edits, before complaining. Sennen goroshi (talk) 04:17, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Excellent! Let me know if/when you would like me to mediate. L'Aquatique[review] 04:21, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello

Hey, this is Condalence stoping by. Its been a while since i've been to wikipedia. Anyways I need some work to do. Thanks. --Condalence] 20:07, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I figured you'd show up eventually! I guess what work needs to be done depends heavily on what your goals are. Gray magic was never deleted, but part of that was I promised we would work on it. Would you like to continue improving it? I have some ideas, and it seems that another user has began working on it as well, so this might be an opportunity to do some co-operative editing.

Let me know what you would like to do. L'Aquatique[review] 23:49, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

One of my goals is to setup the meta for the article so search engine such as ask.com will be able to display it. At one time it was setup but recently when I typed in gray magic at ask.com nothing showed up on ask.com that linked to wikipedia.com. I made a user box that is against cyberbullying. Its {{User Condalence_Be Against Cyberbullying}}. I'm trying to promote anti-cyberbullying on wikipedia.com. One last thing, my new e-mail is wintermanly@yahoo.com. Peace. --Condalence] 18:27, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/L'Aquatique

Now just answer the questions, transclude, and your off! - Icewedge (talk) 07:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow, that looks awesome! Thanks so much! L'Aquatique[review] 08:10, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I actually thought of a few changes I wanted to make to my nom last night, but meh. You seem to be off to a good start. Best of luck :) - Icewedge (talk) 18:50, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Your RFA

Best of luck for your RFA -- Tinu Cherian - 12:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

How do you feel about the RfA so far? GlassCobra 14:46, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I think it's going much, much better than I expected. I honestly did not necessarily expect to pass the first time, I was thinking this would be a great learning experience for me. But it actually looks like I probably will pass, which is totally cool too. I've gotten some great advice, the oppose comments are all well thought out, and, this is the miraculous part, I got a neutral from Kurt! Heavens be praised! L'Aquatique[talk] 23:45, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Impressive - I think that's the first time he's ever voted neutral. –xeno (talk) 23:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

No, there was one other time- it was a self nom (I forget the name) who said something about how he knew that Kurt would oppose but that he was, by the way, a Colts fan. He got a neutral too.

In any case, this isn't about supports and opposes, this is about a community discussion and I think its going very well. I have to say I'm a little disappointed and maybe confused that people are opposing because I'm "metapedian", "meta-wiki" etc- I think admins should be metapedian since admin tools don't help you in the slightest to write articles. But, it's their opinion and they are entitled to it every bit as much as I am. : ) L'Aquatique[talk] 23:59, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Good point, I forgot that one. –xeno (talk) 00:03, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Right, glad to hear it. By the by, just as a matter of personal preference, I actually hate the talkback template, especially at the top of a page like that. I've got your page watchlisted, so you don't need to leave it for me anymore. I'll check up on your RfA every so often, okay? GlassCobra 04:40, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Sounds fair enough. Thanks for checking up, be sure to let me know if I can do anything to help you. L'Aquatique[talk] 08:10, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Alastair Haines

I have closed this RfC. As you were one of the first two who certified the basis for this dispute, I urge you to read the conclusion listed and proceed accordingly. Wizardman 23:07, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

My work pages were deleted

My work pages were deleted due to G6. I need the information on my work page aerokinesis back. What do I do? --Condalence] 21:48, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Whoops, that was actually a mistake on my part, don't freak out. I moved those pages into your userspace a while back, that admin was just cleaning up after me by deleting the redirects I accidentally made. Your pages are here: User:Condalence/Sandbox/Aerokinesis, User:Condalence/Sandbox/Fire Magick, User:Condalence/Sandbox/Green magic, User:Condalence/Sandbox/Gray Witch, User:Condalence/Sandbox/Gray Magic. : ) L'Aquatique[talk] 21:56, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Thats a relief. I need something to do. I hate wasting my time when I could be doing something useful on wikipedia. I was just viewing the red links. I recently discovered the meta on gray magic is setup. I seen it on google. --Condalence] 22:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, well, you've had some time now to think about sourcing for Gray Magic. Why don't you tell me what you've come up with? Sorry if my responses are slow, I have my hands full between my RFA and moving in real life. I'm a busy bee! L'Aquatique[talk] 22:14, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean by sourcing? If you mean the meta I found out it has already been setup. What are you working on? Can I help? Don't worry, i'm sure my responces are slower. --Condalence] 00:25, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have been clearer. One of the issues raised at the AFD for Gray Magic was that there weren't enough verifiable secondary sources to back up the information provided in the text. We had talked earlier about finding some sources for the article, I was merely wondering if you had had any luck.

Right now I don't have any projects going, really. I'm dealing with my request for adminship, mostly, which unfortunately you can't really help me with. If you're asking me for something to do, you should check out some of the backlogs, they always need a helping hand. You might try your hand at Wikifying pages, there's some 14,000 articles needing attention. The list of articles is here: Category:All pages needing to be wikified and instructions are here: WP:WIKIFY. How's that? L'Aquatique[talk] 01:42, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

A heads up

I just got my username changed to User:Otokorashii Fuyu. Condalence didn't mean anything so I changed it. peace. --Otokorashii男らしい冬 07:13, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

question

I left a couple questions for your RFA. Please, if you have time, respond. Brasil Miami Connexion (talk) 03:36, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Portal:Alaska

I am puttering at making random content on Portal Alaska. Now the articles rotate, so every time a WWW visitor plops into the portal, it will look fresh and updated. I will later today also rotate the pictures, and see if there are any Alaskan DYK to add to the portal. SriMesh | talk 20:24, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Great! The Juneau Empire usually posts "this day in Alaska history" information here: [5]. For whatever reason, there is none posted for today but as you can see scrolling down they usually do it.

So, since you gave me a barnstar I will consider this work separate from the work you "owed" me for the map. I have a reward out that if you make an Alaska article good or featured, I will either decorate your userpage or make you a custom ad (see Template:Wikipedia ads) for a wikiproject of your choice. Since the portal is so important I would be willing to do this for you in exchange for your work on the portal, so let me know which one you would like. And I'll get started on it once I'm back from Wikibreak. L'Aquatique[review] 20:44, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, your folks ad was the first wikipedia ad I had seen, and it surely did catch my eye. So, if you want to fiddle with one for WikiProject Saskatchewan Communities & Neighbourhoods that would be fantabulous! And very much thanks to you! Kind Regards SriMesh | talk 00:28, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Research

Do some before editing other peoples posts, and attempting to become part of the staff so that you can abuse your power. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rusty Shackleford lll (talk • contribs) 07:03, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

If I have made a mistake, I would appreciate if you would tell me. L'Aquatique[review] 07:06, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Moshe Dovid Tendler

I responded to your concerns on my talk page. Please see my response to BelovedFreak as well. Thank you for your interest.pikipiki (talk) 08:45, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations on your successsful RFA!

L'Aquatique (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) My admin log

Congratulations!
It is my great pleasure to inform you that your Request for Adminship has closed successfully and you are now an administrator! Useful Links: • Administrators' reading list • Administrators' how-to guide • • Administrator's Noticeboard • Administrator's Noticeboard for Incidents • Administrator's Noticeboard for 3RR • Your admin logs: • blocks • deletions • moves • protects • uploads •

If you have questions, feel free to leave a talk page message for me or any other admin. Again, congratulations! — Rlevse • Talk • 17:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

The admins' T-shirt.

Congrats...here's your shirt! :-)  Frank  |  talk  17:09, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations on your successful RfA! Do everything you're supposed to and nothing you're not! Make sure to check out the new admin school. I wish you the very best of luck and place myself at your immediate disposal for any and all admin-related questions. Please feel free to call on me if you need help! GlassCobra 17:11, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

As above, well done. Good luck on any admin ventures. Rudget 18:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, everyone! I'm going to new admin school now... hope the other kids will be nice to me! L'Aquatique[talk] 18:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Congrats L'Aquatique! I'm a little late, but better late than never. :-) We needed more Alaskan admins; thanks for offering to serve us—we all know you'll do well. —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 23:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Delayed congrats here as well :) The Alaska cabal has grown in power! Now, go delete the mainpage. - Icewedge (talk) 06:12, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Haha, I'll get to that as soon as I finish blocking Jimbo! L'Aquatique[talk] 06:15, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

You wouldn't be the first. Based on his block log[6] Jimbo is quite the vandal. - Icewedge (talk) 06:31, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations on getting the mop

Now get to work. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 21:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

{{admin dashboard}} may help with that =) If you transclude it somewhere in your userspace, it will automatically get SQL bot to keep track of your admin stats, too. –xeno (talk) 13:12, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Me too. Congratulations! :) Take care and happy mopping, --PeaceNT (talk) 13:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Belated congratulations. You rock! Rivertorch (talk) 06:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter (July 2008)

• Newsletter delivery by xenobot 13:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Frazier Quarry Page

Hi,

I certainly intend a rationale perspective, so I apologize in advance if my tone ever borders on irritated.

I created a page about The Frazier Quarry, it was deleted as spam. One of your stated criteria for spam is that it is blatant advertising that no one cares about. I take issue that you would assume the mantle of speaking for everyone at large as to whether something is worthwhile as a Wikipedia topic. I believe that its page should be maintained (I'm open to alterations) on a number of bases.

a) The Frazier Quarry is the ONLY producer of dimension bluestone, that is if you are from the Shenandoah Valley and want to build something with the historical ties to the regional architecture, you have to go to this place. The fact that it has a default monopoly over an important cultural item is important.

b) TFQ has taken pulling rocks out of the ground and transformed it into an extremely technologically advanced practice that develops new products and strives to minimize its environmental impact on its own accord. Their business model is very admirable. (Not to mention that they support a huge range of non-profit initiatives as a family business).

I even consulted with an Admin (Lifebaka) prior to posting the page because I recognized that creating a page concerning a company could be tagged as spam if not carefully monitored and he said that it shouldn't be deleted as such because it isn't.

I'd love to hear more of your reasoning for deletion.

Andy.W.Ellis (talk) 16:31, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

With all due respect to Lifebaka, I disagree. The tone the page was written in was overly advertish, sentences like this: "Beginning in 1915, The Frazier Quarry (TFQ) has been a prominent business serving the Shenandoah Valley, both commercially and philanthropically", "Not only has this entrepreneurial approach forging into new territory benefited the consumers, but also, it reflects a business model that exemplifies a traditional industry expanding its tactics to reach new consumer bases", "TFQ has orchestrated a kind of assimilation of eras that envelopes the Valley’s architectural past, its current technological growth, and its potential for future growth. It is in many ways a paradoxical vision that marries the conservative aesthetic values of the past with a progressive and innovative approach to the future", and on and on. I stand by my deletion and I think Lifebaka would as well were he to see the text.

Now, that being said, I understand completely how frustrating it is to work really hard on something and then some idiot admin comes along and deletes it without saying word one. So, I'm willing to cut a deal with you- I'll restore the article and move it to a subpage of your userpage where you can work on it without having to worry about it getting deleted. I'll even help you out if you'd like. Once you are sure the page meets our neutral point of view policy, you can repost it, and I will not delete it. Sound fair? L'Aquatique[talk] 18:31, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

First of all, thank you for your response and your willingness to be reasonable. I suppose I could use less flowery language and still say almost the same thing, such as "The Frazier Quarry was founded in 1915, it has been one of the largest revenue generating and gift giving companies in the Shenandoah Valley. Also, this new fangled technology has let them do things that are brand new and unique that helps customers by offering them a wider range of products than they had before. They demonstrate that a small, staple industry can use creativity to reach more people. TFQ has combined the Vally's building history with computerized technology to make new products that continue an old tradition. It is an interesting combination that would seem impossible to bring an old, expensive material like stone and make it cost effective for new construction and shows that they were willing to take a risk by placing themselves on the front edge of technology.

I do hope that I'm not over the top, I have the unobjective position of being the writer and I can recognize that. However, it was attempted with a neutral point of view in mind and I guess what I am saying is that I will have issues making it neutral apparently using my own verbiage and would appreciate any help I could receive. I think it is worth being in the public's eye and I don't intend to come off as having an agenda (I think Lifebaka still wouldn't delete the page for what its worth, though that's why there is a multidude of administrators).

Andy.W.Ellis (talk) 18:59, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

You're absolutely welcome, and I would be willing to help you out as much as I can. I see that you already have the article in userspace, so that's taken care of. Before anything else, I suggest you read a few of our policies and guidelines: neutral point of view, reliable sources, and how not to be a spammer. This reading material will hopefully give you a clearer picture of what we expect from an article. And know that if you make a few mistakes and some adverty tone slips through, the chance is very high that someone else will just correct it, not delete it on sight. We usually only delete when there is more spam material than encyclopedic material, and of course we know that all wikipedia articles are works in progress.

Be sure to let me know if/when you need assistance. You might also consider entering the wikipedia adoption program, wherein experienced users are matched with new users so they can learn the ropes. You would effectively have one on one attention from a trusted user or admin, which might be just the thing you need at this point. L'Aquatique[talk] 19:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: User talk:207.69.139.135

Sorry for the delay. The IP was blocked as an open proxy. Feel free to unblock it if appropriate – it really makes no difference to me. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 17:05, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and on a completely unrelated note, I just set up your -en-admins access. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 17:14, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Biogenics

First off thank you for being an admin and cleaning wikipedia from advertisements etc. Thank you for letting me know it was written like an advertisement. I can work on it, and make it much better and with a more neutral voice. Could you please move it to a subpage so I could add references and make it a legit page? Thank you and sorry about that, I am new to wikipedia :). Thanks. Mayflower3 (talk) 18:09, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

The page can now be found here: User:Mayflower3/Navigenics. I would strongly suggest you read our policy about neutral point of view and our policy about reliable sources before you proceed so you know basically what we are looking for in an article. Be sure to contact me if you have any questions. L'Aquatique[talk] 18:37, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Late congrats

Congratulations. Here are what pass for words of wisdom from the puppy:

Remember you will always protect the wrong version. Remember you must always follow the rules, except for when you ignore them. You will always pick the wrong one to do. (See #5) Remember to assume good faith and not bite. Remember that when you are applying these principles most diligently, you are probably dealing with a troll. Use the block ability sparingly. Enjoy the insults you receive when you do block. Remember when you make these errors, someone will be more than happy to point them out to you in dazzling clarity and descriptive terminology. and finally, Remember to contact me if you ever need assistance, and I will do what I am able. KillerChihuahua?!?

DISCLAIMER: This humor does not reflect the official humor of Wikipedia, the Wikimedia Foundation, or Jimbo Wales. All rights released under GFDL.

Your RfA

Congratulations on your successful RfA! I'm privileged to have been a part of it, and I have confidence that you'll use the tools well. Cosmic Latte (talk) 04:06, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Moses:Failed

Hi, I decided to close review of Moses and declare it's failure to reach GA status. I think you couldn't participate in improvement of the article due to your RfA. However you can try later after working on it.--Seyyed(t-c) 12:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:ANI#User:Sennen goroshi's stalking and disruption

I would really appreciate if you leave an input on this user's habitual incivility and stalking. Thanks.--Caspian blue (talk) 17:19, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Judaism Newsletter

• Newsletter delivery by xenobot 02:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

• Sorry, it's not quite going out on Aug 2 (unless you live in Eastern time or earlier =). I had a terrible splitting heading all day today and didn't remember til after it was already UTC Aug 3 =\ –xeno (talk) 03:00, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Dude, no worries at all! It's only 7:30 pm on August 2 for me, so the timing was good. Everyone else... will survive. Hope you feel better real soon. L'Aquatique[talk] 03:29, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Feeling better now, except that I forgot to close the </small> tag on my bot's sig (oops!)... It's fixing it now, though =) cheers, –xeno (talk) 03:33, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Just wanted to drop by and say thanks for your work on the newsletter. Kol tuv, HG | Talk 04:06, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

New Quote!

Considering the quotes you had before, I figured you'd appreciate a quote from the American Transcendentalists! Ralph Waldo Emerson's quote is quite apropos for Wikipedia, if I do say so myself.

Cheers,
Neuro√Logic 06:16, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Tom Sayle

How can I make my account an admin like you did 5 days ago? Tom Sayle —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.74.34.151 (talk) 07:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I shall cause more dreaded edit conflicts with L'Aquatique, and say...You can't! You're an IP! And you're blocked! *Le Gasp!*

Good try though,
Neuro√Logic 07:45, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...!! Haha. But in all seriousness, what answer exactly did you expect, Sir Sayle? If you really want to be an admin, stop editing abusively, start contributing, and after a goodly amount of time has passed, someone may come along and nominate you. L'Aquatique[talk] 07:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Image question

Hi.

I had a question about copyright rules that you answered on my talk page. You said the Creative Commons license is probably the best as far retaining rights goes. Can you verify that I've tagged the image here with the most restrictive license?

The basic situation is that I found an image on Flickr that I want to use on WP so I wrote to the author asking for permission. He said sure but I'm uncomfortable uploading the image myself. I want to make sure he doesn't give anything away unintentionally. Mrshaba (talk) 20:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Taking a look now... L'Aquatique[talk] 21:32, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, I see a rather major problem: the image is empty or corrupted. I'm not sure what it shows for you, but when I try to load it it only shows a white screen.

If you found it on flickr, it needed to have a certain license attached to it, on flikr allowable license are: : Some rights reserved or : Some rights reserved. Otherwise, we'll need a letter from the copyright owner which says they agree to release it either under a certain creative commons license, under the gdfl, or into public domain. If you have that, I'll show you where to send it to. L'Aquatique[talk] 21:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

That's a place holder file. I sent the author of this image uploading instructions based upon the place holder file.

1. Go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&wpDestFile=Hemau_Solar_Power_Plant.PNG

2. Click the "Browse" button and link to the picture file on your computer

3. Under license type. Select, "Own work, creative commons attribution 3.0" Note:He won't need to do this if you've already added an image tag

4. Click the upload file button

I've gone through getting pictures from folks in India before and the letter writing business is much too cumbersome so I'm trying a different approach. I'm just asking about the license I tagged it with because I want the original author to have as much ownership as possible. Does this make sense? Mrshaba (talk) 22:49, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, CC sounds like that will work just fine. If this helps alleviate your anxiety a little, let me explain exactly how free image licensing works. When he uploads the image, he won't be giving up ownership of the image- it still belongs to him, he can sell it in a gallery, post it on his blog, etc etc. By releasing it under a free license, he's simply giving others permission to do the same. The nice thing about creative commons attribution, though, is people, by law, have to credit him for usage of the picture. So if one of them tries to pass it off as their own work, that's a copyright violation. Make sense? L'Aquatique[talk] 01:18, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

If I may, I'd like to add a couple of things. First, in your instructions you said nothing about having to create a username, and the problems with using your own name and the difficulty of picking a name, and second, if the image is not intended to be used as fair use it should not be uploaded as suggested to :en:wikipedia, but instead to the commons:, so that is where they need to register a user name and log in. Thirdly I would suggest asking that the current "placeholder" just be deleted by adding {{db-author}} at the top (and deleting your notes to not delete the file), and asking Klaus instead to click on http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload and use the filename Hemau_Solar_Power_Plant.png (note the lower case .png) after they log in, which will allow them to fill in the details and the license (they probably know when the photo was taken for example). You might also explicitly note that the permission line is not applicable. I see no need or advantage in creating a "placeholder". In general I have to say, good luck, as it is pretty hard to explain all the hoops that need to be jumped through successfully, as you have clearly already experienced. As noted above if you do create a placeholder, no details need be entered by Klaus as the only thing that can be changed on upload is the file itself. All changes need to be made by clicking on the edit tab. The disadvantage I see in creating a placeholder is that it looks like you, Mrshaba are the actual copyright owner, at first glance. Apteva (talk) 02:56, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Do Me A Favor?

Hey L'Aquatique! =)

I need sleep, before your back from your hours long Alaskan Feasting Rituals I wanted to ask if you still wouldn't mind copyediting the article about WP:TOV at my Construction Userpage, so that User:bstone and I could move it over soon, and suggest it for policy again? Thanks a bunch!

Cheers,
Neuro√Logic 05:40, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! You rock L'Aqua! Thanks so much for your help! I hope we've got your support for the policy suggestion!

Cheers,

Neuro√Logic 08:56, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi,

I am trying to upload an image file and I am getting this.

=====================================================

Unauthorized From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search

The action you have requested is limited to Autoconfirmed users, Administrators.

Return to Main Page.

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Thanks...

Regargs, --SPandya (talk) 01:31, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey

Hey I don't mean to bug you. I don't know if you're busy, if you forgot or if you missed my talk page on your watch list, but I've replied to your last post about you helping me with my template. Can you still help? No rush, just wondering.►Chris Nelson^Holla! 06:41, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Reply

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Alastair

In all seriousness, is there nothing that can be done about him? -LisaLiel (talk) 22:09, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

In all seriousness, yes, we are working on it. Personally, I would much prefer to see him reform than to have to ban him because such sanctions are supposed to be preventative, not punitive... but there is a fairly good chance that if he doesn't change his path that is where this would end. Now, that being said, you need to realize, Lisa, that all of this can't be piled on him. You hold some responsibility here, and all of this would be a lot simpler if you would please not edit war with or just plain bait him. It just complicates the matter. My best advice for you would be to take a break from Gender of God and let us sort all this out. If you would like, I have a list of Judaism-related articles that seriously need attention. L'Aquatique[talk] 22:14, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I second this very good advice from L'Aquatique. Please take it on board LisaLiel & disengage from the article for a while--Cailil ^talk 22:20, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll try. I won't talk with him or about him on the talk page, and short of a really massive blow to the Judaism section of the article, I won't edit the page either.

Thank you for your advice. I think you're probably right. -LisaLiel (talk) 00:55, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

...it's so colourful

		The Excellent Userpage Award
		to L'Aquatique...what a soothing userpage...sorta like Prozac forthe eyes...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:50, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

PS: Given your mention of Billy Joel above, I devised my own replacement for core/vital articles.... Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:50, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

That's awesome! The award itself looks really good too, nice photoshop work.

Thanks for the barnstar! L'Aquatique[talk] 23:59, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

The flaming wiki was also used by other editors to award an experienced editor who'd "been through hell" as well as it was such a cool design (the maker was debivort not me)..Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Sl and Lisa

Thanks for the semi-defense (that's no criticism of you; I'm quite impressed with your lack of bias and you're coming into this blind). There is a long history here, and this is normal.Tim (talk) 03:38, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

For what it's worth I'm going through the old edits to show diffs for this LONG history of problems User:Teclontz/Documentation_Page. I don't know if it will do any good. I'm on the verge of closing down this screen name and just starting an anonymous one that stays FAR FAR away from Judaism online. It'll be a shame though. I DO have an interest in the subject. But this is just plain unnerving. I'm sorry you've been troubled by it.Tim (talk) 17:47, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I liked your star better. Don't get discouraged.Tim (talk) 17:52, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Can you help me with something...?

I'd much prefer that the matter be formally examined via an arbitration case. (I wouldn't be too concerned about time constraints, incidentally; the Committee is moving through cases at a fairly glacial pace at the moment.) Kirill ^(prof) 00:38, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

RfAr

L'Aquatique if I'd known you were going to RfAr with Alastair (which BTW I think is a good call in light of what I've seen from all 4 editors, this may be the only way forward) I would have closed the ANI thread earlier. It's closed now and I will post to the case when it opens with what evidence I have found. Although I agree that there is an issue with Alastair I am glad the Committee will be considering the whole situation--Cailil ^talk 16:40, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#User:Alastair Haines Involved parties

Hi there,

I think the involved parties section should also include User:Ilkali, User:LisaLiel and User:Teclontz to be fair to the case.

Thanks, Miguel.mateo (talk) 03:41, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Judaism Newsletter

Hi L'Aquatique: Welcome to Wikipedia. I am an old timer having been here over five and a half years and I enjoy seeing new enthusiastic users. Congratulations on producing the WikiProject Judaism Newsletter. I really enjoyed and read the two editions so far and I wish to be on the mailing list and be kept informed. I did notice something that I would like to bring your attention to. Not everyone writes the same and at times your tone and style is somewhat too informal for such a serious newsletter. A few of your comments were somewhat tricky. In the first newsletter you state: "Shalom aleichem sports fans..." but pardon me, isn't this a newsletter to Judaic editors and not to sports editors? Then you make a comment that "Spread the word! No, not the Word... (well, you can do that too)..." which is troubling. What are you intimating here? That the job of editors is to be "missionaries" because the phrase "the Word" is used by Christians and Christian missionaries and is not used in Judaism. In additin, the link you give from "the Word" redirects to "Revelation" an article that goes well beyond Judaism's view and elaborates upon Christianity's and Islam's and other religions' views on this topic, and while that may be valid as an independent subject it is most definitely not suitable, and in fact somewhat rude, to include that as a link in a newsletter meant to go to editors who have indicated that they wish to be part of a Judaism Wikiproject and not relating to other faiths. The next newsletter you sent out contained an uncalled for bit of advice when you stated:

"A Special Dispatch

Just a note, not aimed at anyone in particular. By order of the administrative cabal, it is officially not cool (and possibly dickish) to call someone an anti-semite when they aren't being anti-semitic. Anti-semitic is a very charged word, and it's important only to use it when you're absolutely sure it applies, lest it become the subject of a Godwin-esque law. Remember Hanlon's Razor: never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

Don't you see some obvious problems with the tone and content of the above communication? Is it not presumptious of you to preach to HUNDREDS of experienced editors in violation of Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars (WP:DTTR)? Your use of Wikipedia:Don't be a dick in this context and to this audience is both degrading and offensive. And finally, do you really think that there is never any antisemitism, antisemitic writing and antisemitic editors on Wikipedia? Do not be naive and while I agree that caution should be used and WP:CIVIL kept in mind, there are times when it is necassrly to recognize evil and call it as such, especially on Wikipedia, the world's greatest encyclopedia does not wish to promote hate and discrimination against Jews or anyone. Hopefully you will remember this in your functions as an admin as well. So I would respectfully request that in the future you must not insert any possibly contentious comments or links to potentially controversial subjects in the WikiProject Judaism Newsletter that other more experienced and sensitive Judaic editors may find offensise and daangereous. The WikiProject Judaism Newsletter belongs to all Judaic editors and not just you, see WP:OWN, even though you have the honor of founding it. Could you please indicate where the page is that you go about compiling the newsletter before you send it out so that I and other editors can review it before you mail it out. You can place a note at WP:TALKJUDAISM a week before you send it out to give people notice and ask for input as well as fulfilling Wikipedia:Peer review. Thank you very much and feel free to be in touch with me at any time. Sincerely, IZAK (talk) 17:58, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

• P.S. How is anyone supposed to easily read comments on this talk page with the horrid dark blue color you have on top of everything? Can't you tone down the colors please? Thanks. IZAK (talk) 18:25, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
• Oh, and please sign all your comments with the four tildes ~~~~ as I have had to add the {{unsigned}} template to a few of your unsigned comments already [7] [8]. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 18:25, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Look, IZAK, I don't know what your problem with me is, but chill out. Out of all the people who have responded to the newsletter, yours has been the only comment that is even the slightest bit negative. I realize that there is absolutely anti-semitism at Wikipedia, but there have also been quite a few cases recently of editors claiming that someone was being anti-semitic when in fact they were just disagreeing with a Jewish editor. It's really not the same thing, surely you can see that.

I don't feel that I've written anything offensive or dangerous here. Newsletters do not have to be in serious tones, for example the LGBT newsletter is even more causal than this one. I'm not going to take the time to explain each of my so-called wrongs against you, but suffice to say- the "word" was a joke, I meant to have directed to to Tanakh but I forgot. Sports fans is an idiom, I just means people. I was not implying that anyone here is an actual sports fan.

I would really appreciate it if you would stop being so rabidly negative about everything I do. You remind me that I don't own the newsletter, yet all this started when I improved the barnstar you made. Should I remind you that you don't own the barnstar? Seriously. L'Aquatique[talk] 18:57, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Let us all try to keep calm. The purpose is not to insult each other, but rather get things done.Nerguy (talk) 19:26, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

For What It's Worth

		The Graphic Designer's Barnstar
		Great work on the Jewish Barnstar! It's a lot more elegant than the last one. :-) Tim (talk) 19:24, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Aww, rav todot, Tim. I think I got frustrated too easily... I'm not, uh, used to people not liking my work! :( L'Aquatique[talk] 19:49, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

There's no reason this has to be an either/or debate. See {{The New Jewish Barnstar}}. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 19:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Alastair Haines

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Alastair Haines/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Alastair Haines/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, — Coren ^(talk) 02:03, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi and thank you for your message about our eSilicon page. I'm very new to Wikipedia and want to make sure we do not get deleted again. can I please ask for your help and guidance? I can be reached at 408.616.4655 or dlipkin@esilicon.com.

Thank you, Dmitry —Preceding unsigned comment added by Djlipkin23 (talk • contribs) 20:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Deeply honored

Dear L'Aquatique, I am deeply honored and touched that you have awarded me with this barnstar. It is a constant pleasure to work with you and I look forward to our future coordination. Good Shabbos! Bstone (talk) 20:30, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

dleted my page

Hi -- I'm new to Wikipedia and want to make sure my page doesnt get deleted again (by you). Can you please help me? I can be reached at dlipkin@esilicon.com or 408.616.4655

Thanks so much, Dmitry (Djlipkin23 (talk) 20:35, 8 August 2008 (UTC))

Thank you

Thank you! Mooncrest (talk) 12:57, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Lutherwood Camp and Retreat Center

An article that you have been involved in editing, Lutherwood Camp and Retreat Center, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lutherwood Camp and Retreat Center. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Accounting4Taste:talk 17:14, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Reminds me of someone...

Linky -Rushyo ^Talk 16:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC) (and where have you disappeared to again? >.<)

Mew? -Rushyo ^Talk 19:00, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

k... -Rushyo ^Talk 13:21, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

This isn't a constructive process

L'Aquatique, I appreciate your diligence and the spirit it was made in. You want Wikipedia to be a better place, but there is an editor who has driven off other editors. I haven't seen much or anything from Bikinibomb, JerryofAiken, or Egfrank since these ongoing fiascos have happened. And now Alastair has this going on, and quite frankly, I'm thinking of disappearing altogether. I can't keep fighting a POV cannon with limitless edit war and escalation energy. I have real work to do. Each time I've had to take time off. But this time I'm thinking of canceling my account. The only reason I'm still here is to defend Alastair. Jerry has come back from the grave. I wish I knew where Bikini and Eg were. Or I wish you would just, please, look at the histories of those pages. You were THERE for Shituf and Gender of God. You saw what happened when you tried to mediate (your OWN sandbox page was hijacked!). There IS no mediation. I know you want to teach him a civility lesson. But this isn't about civility. This is about gaming the system. I doubt Bikini or Eg will ever come back. I doubt Jerry will post any more. I'm leaving. I'm serious. I'm leaving too. How many wikipedia editors have to go? I've tried in the past to encourage people to edit here. Alastair encouraged me to stay after the first fiasco you witnessed. He was the only reason I stayed this long. But I can't keep on doing this. I don't have the energy, or the time. You pulled the trigger. We really need for you to research what has happened here. You don't have to retract anything on Alastair, but please, can't you at least include some research on the three pages that have fallen prey to a single editor? The very people I've talked into editing here are now talking me into leaving. But you have a chance for proving Alastair right: that there really is responsibility here. You're an administrator. Please, give this a shot. Again, you don't have to take anything back on Alastair, but at least do some digging. Fair?Tim (talk) 18:03, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Tim, you know me, I'm a responsible person. Of course I did digging and I see that Lisa has caused a lot of trouble. I didn't even technically have to do digging, I saw first hand what happened to my sandbox. That being said, unlike Alastair she has not had a lot of dispute resolution history- as a general rule Arbcom likes to see at least an RFC/U about a user before they take on a case about them. Lisa, just like you and Ilkali, has not had that.

I know this is hard for you, that you have a lot of respect for Alastair and you don't like to see him get hit with the hammer while Lisa nimbly dodges it, but I think if you really look at it, there is some significant evidence building against her as well. Quite unfortunately, some of it is wrapped in incivility that may disqualify it (calling her actions an academic holocaust, for example: very poor taste). However, I have faith that arbcom will be able to sort this out in a manner that is fair and balanced (omg, did I just say that? yiikes).

Please, don't leave just yet. See this through. I would hate to lose a valuable contributer, not to mention a friend. L'Aquatique[talk] 18:16, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the holocaust thing was in bad taste. I've tried to contact Jerry about it, but sometimes he takes weeks to even answer an email, and I haven't seen him on Wikipedia in ages. I agree that he should rephrase that. I was also annoyed that he put his Philo stuff back up there without citation (it's my guess that it's the reason he was ticked off). That wasn't helpful either. This whole thing is costing me sleep. I was like a zombie in shul yesterday because I had been up all night. In any event, I know Jerry is terse, and he's told me separately that he doesn't believe in the system here. The man's a cynic. I'm a skeptic. And Alastair's been the optimist. You'd be amazed at how optimistic he is both on and offline. The one email I got from Jerry basically was telling me that he told me so six months ago when he said that Wikipedia wasn't a place for any real scholarship -- sourced or not; but that it's essentially an email group with the most biased person as the last man standing after everyone else gives up. I don't know. I do know that you're responsible, and I do enjoy your presence and spirit here. I also appreciate that all you really wanted was for someone Alastair respected to ask him to be more humble around the admins. But I am worn out. I really am. Even if I don't go away for good I'll probably need a few more months to recover from this... and I may change my screen name and find subject Lisaliel isn't interested in. Maybe gardening...Tim (talk) 18:32, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I have chosen not to comment on, or even investigate, Lisa or Ilkali's actions because that ArbCom case is not the correct forum for it. As L'Aquatique says, there's RFC/Us for that.

Alastair's decision not to defend himself in the ArbCom case but instead aim for what I believe he sees as 'bringing to heel' other users, as he has stated he wished to do all along, is not something I want to encourage and I'm surprised that other parties have entertained it. I would expect and hope that ArbCom would not do so, except insofar as it was justified.

If we treated the ArbCom case as it was originally intended, a continuation of an investigation of Alastair's personal attacks towards other parties, and used the dispute resolution process properly I feel there would be little questioning of the constructive nature of this case.

In addition people could then just devote their energies to commenting on what they actually know about each individual case rather than having to research things well beyond the scope of their involvement with any of the parties. It is ridiculous to deal that the stories of a dozen or so people, most of whom have never even had any involvement with each other, in the same forum and the fact this has occured is just a symptom of the fact that Alastair has firmly stated his intent to use ArbCom as a vehicle for exacting revenge on a stupidly large number of editors.

I feel without Alastair's involvement each of these incidents would likely have remained just a content dispute, instead of an ArbCom case regarding personal attacks, threats and more than a small number of accusations of libel. It seems very unfair, to myself, to hold L'Aquatique accountable for your lack of sleep (and mine) when without Alastair's actions this action would have never been considered* necessary. Rushyo ^Talk 19:05, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Addendum*.

I'd like to add that if you (L'Aquatique) and Tim think I'm such an ogre, you should probably open dispute resolution about me. An RfC, perhaps. I'm tempted to open one myself, just to clear the air. L'Aquatique, I wish you wouldn't add oil to the fire of Tim's obsession about me. Yes, I've replied sharply to Tim. Yes, I've gotten angry at Tim. But this is frakking ridiculous. -LisaLiel (talk) 19:10, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Haven't you noticed that Bikinibomb, Egfrank, and JerryofAiken just seemed to disappear after your actions? If this keeps up, you won't need an RfC, because I'll be number 4. And Rushyo, I don't hold you responsible for my lack of sleep. I hold myself responsible for engaging in an edit war with Lisa that is creating problems for one of the most consistently sane editors I've seen here.Tim (talk) 19:18, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

By lack of sleep I had actually intended to mean myself getting a lack of sleep due to this ArbCom. Regarding your comments about an RfC I imagine if you want to have an RfC it shouldn't be that hard to find a neutral party to advocate for you. You don't have to get personally involved. There's plenty of parties on Wikipedia who will help with that sort of thing, for various reasons. -Rushyo ^Talk 19:44, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

It just shouldn't be necessary. Honestly, I can't understand how this has been allowed to go on for so long. I found over a hundred diff for just five weeks of history, and there are eight months left to do. I just don't have the time or the energy for this.Tim (talk) 19:49, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

[Unindented]I believe it is precisely because people decide it's easier to ignore this stuff rather than take action. To combat aggressive personalities you have to be assertive rather than submissive. Basic animal psychology. -Rushyo ^Talk 20:06, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Lisa, Lisa, Lisa... No one here said you're an ogre. I don't think you're an ogre, why would I? You're a good faith editor, albeit strong willed. I feel like I was supporting you here by refusing to make you a party to this case. The problem is, a lot of Tim's assertions are well-founded. You do edit war, you admit this. You do have a point of view, and you do hijack other people's sandboxes. These are problems, but once again I feel like I was trying to back you up by suggesting that there might be non-arbcom related solutions to these problems. Now, I will not let the two of you make my talk page your newest flame war, so you either need to start talking about your problems, not making personal attacks, or take it somewhere else, please. L'Aquatique[talk] 20:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Again!

I hope we can all go away from this as lightly as you originally asked for -- just a few verbal reminders to play nice. You know this process better than I do.Tim (talk) 21:02, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Ugh -- time to go back to reality. I'll bet you didn't know what you had stepped in! But before I signed off for a while, I'd like to say that I really like your spirit! And I still like those newer barnstar designs you worked on better than the last. Hopefully we'll all walk away from this a bit better. I wish that everyone would apologize for giving offense (Alastair, me, Ilkali, Lisa) and move on. And Wikipedia is such a big place, why do we need to stay on the same freaking pages when we don't get along?Tim (talk) 14:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Just to let you know -- I've followed your advice to Alastair and changed my user name. Honestly, the persistent cracks against my religion, my past, my present, cracks like "fruitcakery" and other pseudo-psychoanalyzing cracks have become intolerable. This is only a temporary measure, though. Even this user name will go inactive after the present Arbcom is complete, and it is doubtful that I will contribute under any identity in a subject bordering on Judaism. Lisa has chosen to own that subject. If administrators support her edit warring because they share her POV, fine. For the record, however, I also share that POV -- which is precisely why I find it intolerable that she refuses to use Jewish sources that have terminology other Wikipedia readers can understand, and why I find it intolerable that these tactics have been allowed to persist for this long. Instead of defending Judaism, it makes us look ignorant. But it's not my job. I've had enough. And regardless of the end in this case, I'm going. I'll miss the barnstar, though. It was a nice way to end my time here.Tim (talk) 15:57, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll miss you, yadid. If you do stick around at all under any name, don't be a stranger, okay? L'Aquatique[talk] 18:59, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate that. But since I'll be hiding, I would have to let you know offline. I have to get away from these personal cracks and stay away from this person.Tim (talk) 18:45, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I thought i might keep you in the loop...

You never responded to this:

You see that top point? Use a black/clear barnstar and replace the top point with the prism, rainbow and light, maybe?--Editor510 ^{drop us a line, mate} 18:08, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

16 July...I guess you missed it. Please get back to me.--Editor510 ^{drop us a line, mate} 18:04, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Thought I'd drop you a line

I have just found I've got some extra time, and started on doing thorough research on Ilkali. He's been around a lot longer than I thought, arguing the same way about the same things. I'm changing my line on Ilkali. He's worse than I thought. As more evidence comes to light, I think it might be good for us to swap apologies since neither of us researched Ilkali properly, we're too busy with better and brighter things. Just a thought. Alastair Haines (talk) 10:38, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Aquarium peer review

Hello, I don't know if you know or not, but I left some comments on Wikipedia:Peer review/Aquarium/archive1. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:36, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 17 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Passer Angelfish, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Gatoclass (talk) 11:53, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Voluntary Solutions

L'Aquatique -- I think I've come up with two voluntary actions that will solve all angles to this. Lisa and I have a lot to offer as long as we stop negating each other. The astonishing thing is that we've accomplished as much as we did even through the squabbling.

The problem with Ilkali and Alastiar is that Alastair volunteered to mentor Ilkali and he didn't see it as a favor. Truth is, we all need mentors. But Ilkali was insulted (an honest mistake, perhaps). In any case, he'll accept you as a mentor, and that solves several things.

1. As his mentor you can smack Alastair again if he tries to mentor Ilkali. In other words, you solve the problem if Alastair is the problem.
2. As his mentor you can help him start offering constructive content -- something he hasn't learned how to do yet. In other words, you solve the problem if Ilkali is the problem.

It's win win no matter which side is right!

And Lisa and I will both be win win because we are both good editors who just don't work well together. It's like a bad marriage -- sometimes two perfectly good people can't be in the same place. That's fair.

If you and I both agree to this, we can successfully solve every aspect of this. And I'll let you know my new whereabouts if you email me at teclontz (at yahoo).

Game?Tim (talk) 16:33, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

I dunno, Tim. I really don't think I have the energy to deal with this anymore. It's just too stressful. Isn't there someone else that Ilkali will accept? I know some really good people hereabouts that I can recommend. L'Aquatique[talk] 22:38, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

I understand -- but it will have to be someone with admin powers, or they'll end up in the same place as Alastair.Tim (talk) 01:23, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm not sure that having admin powers really helps as much as you might think! It's not protecting me, is it? O.o I'm going to go talk to Ilkali directly about this, get his input too. Also, I'm sending you an e-mail... L'Aquatique[talk] 03:27, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Howdy -- hope your day went well. Any idea how long this arbcom will last? I'm looking forward to rebooting into that new screen name!Tim (talk) 03:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

= Moshe Tendler

If you check these two articles I think you will agree they should be merged.

1. Moshe Tendler
2. Moshe David Tendler--Nerguy (talk) 13:16, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, as they are nearly identical. L'Aquatique[talk] 23:18, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Roll-back

Can you give me the ability of roll-backs please Itfc+canes=me (talk) 21:13, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Tabs

hey, I borrowed your tabs code. just wanted to say, nice work - thanks. –xeno (talk) 03:17, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Newsletter

Sure can. Is it ready to go out? –xeno (talk) 18:33, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm back

I've got a lot of work to do but little time. With school starting back I had no time to do anything. I was wandering, would it be possible for me to contribute to the japanese part of wikipedia? I figured out how to write in japanese so I would like to contribute. sayonara! Tomodachi! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Otokorashii Fuyu (talk • contribs) 03:00, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Otokorashii! Yes, you are free to create an account at the Japanese Wikipedia. Be aware, however, that I do not speak Japanese and cannot help you with articles there, and remember that some of the rules may be different. L'Aquatique[talk] 03:07, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Well I wasn't wanting to create any articles but translate some. I just need a list and I will get started right away!!! --Otokorashii Fuyu男らしい冬 01:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, there's a list of articles to be translated somewhere, let me see if I can find it... L'Aquatique[talk] 01:11, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Found it! Here you go: Wikipedia:Translation/*/Lang/ja, and Category:Translation Request/ja. Let me know if you need anything. L'Aquatique[talk] 01:13, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey!

I totally missed your RFA - would have been happy to lend my support if I had seen it. Best wishes and good luck! I'm sure I'll be in touch - and let me know if I can do anything for you. Cheers!Tvoz/talk 03:04, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Tvoz, long time no talk, buddy! Yeah, my RFA sort of flew under the radar for a lot of people, I think, but it passed with flying colors so it's all good. Been working on anything interesting recently? L'Aquatique[talk] 03:07, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Good for you - I'm not surprised. You'll be a great admin. Compassion is not a quality I always see around here, and you bring that in spades - looking forward to working with you some more. I'm still embroiled in the political articles - I always know I'm doing something right when I'm accused of being a "loyal supporter of the Republican Party" and someone who has a "strong anti-Republican Party POV", in the same thread.... So I continue to escape that craziness by editing pop culture pieces - until the great wars begin again over whether it should be The Beatles or the Beatles.... ya can't win. Tvoz/talk 03:29, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

LOL! How about just Beatles? L'Aquatique[talk] 03:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Bite your tongue - you have no idea how seriously this argument is taken! Tvoz/talk 04:06, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I don't doubt that. It's easy to get upset about weird stuff around here... L'Aquatique[talk] 05:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

why?

Why did you speedily delete the gaffe pages?

How would an article be structured if one wanted to provide more detail than is provided on the individual article pages? Remember that I did not create original research but merely used reliable sources that were able multiple gaffes of each man.

I am writing to get your ideas for a better wikipedia article, not to argue with you. Oprahwasontv (talk) 04:02, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I'm glad you asked. I speedily deleted them because there were serious concerns they the way they were worded comprised a personal attack. Believe me when I say I am absolutely sure that wasn't your intention, but that is how they come off and a casual uninvolved reader does not know your intentions- they only know that this is an article focusing purely on negative aspects of one person, and that is pretty much the dicdef of an attack page.

Barack Obama and John McCain are probably the two most controversial articles we have right now, and since they are living people it's important that we do our very best to keep them, and related articles, neutral. An article focusing on all the negatives- or for that matter the positives- of a subject cannot be neutral. It's not news that politicians make mistakes- everybody makes them, you, me, Ralph Nader, etc etc. It places undue weight on the negative to create an entire article about mistakes people have made. I know I wouldn't want an article on Wikipedia about mistakes I have made.

That is why I speedily deleted it. There were other problems, such as by their very nature they were unencyclopedic, but the attack page was the main reason. It doesn't mean that the material isn't worthy of inclusion- it was sourced and that's very good. I would suggest you add the main points to their individual pages, or a "Political Career of X" if that exists (I don't edit political articles, so I'm not hip on what's exactly going on there). If you don't have a copy of the texts of the articles, I'd be happy to provide it for you.

Thanks for remaining calm and rational through all this. It was definitely a judgement call, and I am willing to admit I might have made the wrong decision. I'm glad that we are able to work through it and find a solution that everyone is happy with. L'Aquatique[talk] 05:18, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Better way...I have thought of a major gap in both articles. I am picking to edit in both the McCain and Obama articles at the same time to be completely NPOV. Both are a slightly negative political image of the men and placed in the political image section. Both edits are impeccably sourced using only the highest quality sources (like Associated Press, Time, CNN). Both edits have been widely reported but somehow is missing from Wikipedia. Part of the problem MAY be that supporters of the men probably want only positive information. I want accurate information because that's the best for Wikipedia. Neither edits are extremely negative. Oprahwasontv (talk) 19:12, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

It has already been removed by an Obama supporter. They tried to look fair and took it off McCain's article. What I added was impeccably sourced and very well known. Why hide it in order to have a piece of campaign literature on Wikipedia? Oprahwasontv (talk) 19:27, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... well, I don't know the specific person who removed your information, but I think you should probably try to assume good faith. This may be hard to believe, but just because something is well sourced does not mean it is encyclopedic. Why don't you try talking it out with the person who removed your materials? L'Aquatique[talk] 19:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

[outdent] L'Aquatique - you should know that this editor has been blocked as a sockpuppet of the community-banned Dereks1x (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) and for tendentious editing - see here. There's a lot more if you want to get into it - the archives are chock-full. Sorry that the good faith you showed toward him wasn't warranted after all. All best, Tvoz/talk 09:29, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Torhero

This user says that he still can't edit after you unblocked his IP. Might want to check it out. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 19:09, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Please remove link to closed MedCom case

Hey, how are you doing?

To the point; I was recently reading over Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Alastair Haines/Evidence and noticed that you link to a deleted revision of Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Gender of God. May I request that you remove link as mediation cases are intended to be privileged and as thus should not be used as evidence in a dispute "including (but not limited to) arbitration and user conduct requests for comment". See Wikipedia:Mediation#The privileged nature of mediation. - Icewedge (talk) 03:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

 Done I'm doing great, thanks! How's life at the north end of the iceburg? L'Aquatique[talk] 17:35, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Life up here is..... lacking in goat, but I will survive. See you around. - Icewedge (talk) 03:58, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

"Protecting the integrity of mediation does not extend to protecting users who deliberately disrupt and subvert official dispute resolution, and the Mediation Committee will not allow its policies to be abused to protect bad-faith actions." FYI, since I feel it applies. -90.202.184.9 (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2008 (UTC) (Rushyo)

Corey Franks

Hey Im still very new to this, I believe I have added all the nessecary things to prove my notability...am I missing something?

Corey Franks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lc franks (talk • contribs) 16:18, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Testing

checking if all the tags are closed. –xeno (talk) 20:35, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I guess they aren't... L'Aquatique[approves|this|message] 20:37, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Too many tables were closed, fixed in sandbox. –xeno (talk) 20:37, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Y Delivering... –xeno (talk) 20:40, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

 Done any more in-flight changes make sure you change my sandbox (it's protected to prevent any tomfoolery). –xeno (talk) 20:55, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

New Account

L'Aquatique,

I wanted to thank you personally for creating my new Wikepedia account. I really appreciate it.

Thanks from, D.J.

P.S. ¿Habla Ud. el español?

D.J. DeSaxofón (talk) 21:30, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

You're very welcome, it was my pleasure. I don't speak much Spanish, although I read it quite well. You seem to speak fluent English, but if you ever run into a situation where you need to speak to someone here in Spanish, there is a list of other native Spanish speakers here: Category:User_es-N. To add yourself to that list, add

esEste usuario tiene el español como lengua materna.

to your userpage. ¡Buena suerte! L'Aquatique[approves|this|message] 21:50, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:D.J._DeSaxof%C3%B3n"

Thanks for answering me. Yes, I'm bilingual, but I prefer to write in Spanish. Which would you prefer? Thanks again, D.J. DeSaxofón (talk) 22:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Format (talk page)

Just curious: how may I change the colour/format of my talk page? Your own page has sparked my interest. Thanks, D.J. DeSaxofón (talk) 22:13, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Movie Smackdown

Ablebaker2 (talk) 19:07, 2 September 2008 (UTC)First, I want to thank you for the reprieve while the page was being updated. A very substantial amount of work has been put into this, and the page seems to be meeting the "notability" and other criteria, yet someone has posted today that it is still being considered for deletion. Unaccustomed to the Ways of Wiki, I'm wondering if you would take a new look at it and advise about how to deal with this. Obviously, I shouldn't be putting time into building a page for a site that I think is newsworthy and emblematic of an entire trend in film reviews if it's just going to disappear into the ether. But, again, I'd ask that it be compared to, say, "Rotten Tomatoes" and "Metacritic" because this page seems to be better in a number of key ways and (I think) rather thoughtful and neutral about the concept of the democratization of film reviews in the Internet age. Of course, it can be improved (and will be) as other voices join in. Anyway, thanks again for listening, and if you have comments or criticisms, I'll return the favor!

thanks for starting the wikiproject newsletter. yosef, the ger toshav thanks you. you should be blessed.

Yosef.garibaldi.gmail (talk) 20:13, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Wasilla, Kalnins, Kroon

Thank you for your commments on my first Wikipedia article. I am a retired mathematician formerly at Stanford and am unfamiliar with Wikipedia's publication standards and would appreciate your assistance in helping me improve the article.

The article is now sourced by the Chicago Tribune and the New Jersey Times of Trenton, so I hope this resolves the source problem.

There is more discussion of the Palin pages on the Wikipedia:Notability policy page.

Notability is not transferable from entity to entity by mere existence of a relationship. However, being an acknowledged school, church, or teacher from which came controversial ideas for which a notable person has become notable does transfer notability.

The best example is a school of thought or teacher of a major historical thinker is notable. For example, paintings of Rembrandt' teacher are exhibited at the Getty next to Rembrandt, whereas otherwise they might not be exhibited at all. The paining is not of note, however upon reading why it is on the wall, it is of clear value in understanding the evolution of Rembrandt's innovative methods.

Palin’s quotes on the religeous basis of the Iraq War being identical in theological reasoning to reasoning coming from her church makes her church notable as the matrix from which such unusual reaoning comes.

I would be surprised if any historian or political scientist would not appreciate an encyclopedia article on the principal pastor or the church from which come a historical figure's controversial views, especially when these views are the basis of the person's being notable.

According to The Atlantic Monthly, Palin was present when the speaker at her new church claimed that Palestinian terror attacks on civilians was God's punishment on Jews... for not vonverting to Christianity. Palin did not object or leave, she came back. Given her stated belief that God is backing her psotions on the middle east, the matrix in which she has learned her views should be of great interest. Censoring information about politicians being neutral towards antisemitism has historically proved disastrous.

I will admit that I have an ideological concern abuot a vice president who thinks global warming is not caused by humans, that abstinence only sex education is empirically efficative, that intelligent design discussion has any place in a biology class discussion of evolution or molecular biology, or that God is backing one side in a war. Since I have an admitted bias against ideas like this, it is difficult for me to see from an objective perspecitve. The source of ideas like these antiscientific ideas is of importance and interest to me as a patriot, but I would think the source of such ideas would also be of interest to a scholar looking for an encyclopedia entry on the origin of Palin's ideas.

1. Please let me know what you think so I can correct the article.

2. Also, is it normal for so many people to have written so much about a deletion of an article? It appears that WasillaAG has become many people and is editing its own article on Wasilla Assembly of God, after failing to delete the information in the article.~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by EricDiesel (talk • contribs) 01:31, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Eric, thanks for contacting me. First off, let me say that no it is not at all uncommon for deletion discussions to have this much attention, especially such a controversial topic.

But now to the meat of your question... Here's my problem with the article: it's a coatrack, and it can never be anything more than that. Kalnins, Kroon, Wasilla Bible Church, all of these things are notable only when in the context of Palin herself. Being anti-semitic is not anything new, and it's not a claim to notability. Trust me on this, if an anti-Semitic worldview conferred notablility, Wikipedia would turn into the white pages. The same goes for anti-evolutionists, anti-global warming-ists, "I'm on a mission from G-d"ists, the list goes on and on. The fact of the matter is, Palin's brand of politics is nothing particularly revolutionary. It's just a fresh face to an old concept that for some reason that is frankly beyond me suddenly has everyone up in arms. This may be news now, but it will it be tomorrow?

Let me be very clear with you- I do not support Palin's poltics, I haven't from the beginning. As an Alaskan I feel singularly betrayed that her sudden rocket to celebrity-status has left all of us in a metaphorical state of having our pants down while the entire world goes through our pithy state politics with a fine-tooth comb, extracting some demons from our closets that never should have seen the light of day. As a Jew, I feel threatened by the idea of having someone a heartbeat away from the presidency who honestly believes that G-d would like nothing more than to see me dead because I won't accept a false messiah as my savior. And as a woman, a feminist, I feel offended by her claim that she is a strong working mother, when she clearly doesn't know the meaning of any of those three words. But you see, here I am neither an Alaskan, a Jew, or a Feminist, I am a Wikipedian- and it is my sole job to keep this encyclopedia that I do dearly treasure neutral. If that means deleting some material that I agree with, so beit. I've read through the policies and I feel confident that none of these three articles should exist. If I have not been clear why, please ask me to rephrase the parts where I could clarify.

Last week, it was Obama's preacher, next week, who knows? In the long run, nobody is going to care about Kalnin, nobody is going to care about Kroons, and if there's any justice in the world nobody will care about Palin either. L'Aquatique[approves|this|message] 06:13, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your time, I deleted a long message that you had not yet responded to, since anything in it can be better responded to where I posted Five Requests for Clarification on Wikipedia Policies and Standards summarized from numerous Palin related Wikipedia deletion discussion pages on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wasilla Assembly of God. If you havbe time, it may be more appropriate to respond on that page, since the five questions were culled from numerous other editors and others on the four deleted articles, Wasilla Assembly of God, Ed Kalnins, Wasilla Bible Church and Larry Kroon.

These were my first four articles, two for creating, two for editing. After review of Wikipedia people and policies, I think I made inappropriate, and certainly unproductive comments all over the place. I did not even know about my own discussion page until late in the deletion debate.

• If you think I should apologize anywhere or delete communications that are inappropriate, please let me know if you have the time.

That said, I still think the edits (deletions of information) of WasillaAG were politically motivated, and that homophobic or anti Semetic sermons, voluntarily attended by Palins, are notable because of their etiological relationship to her bizarre public policy views and reasoning (bizarre at least from the perspective of science).

Thanks EricDiesel (talk) 16:53, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

E-mail address

As an administrator, it would be wise if you enabled an e-mail address. miranda 02:44, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Miranda! My e-mail address is both registered with the system (I checked it only several days ago) and listed at the top of this page. Thanks for your concern. L'Aquatique[approves|this|message] 05:49, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

But your email link on the left ("Email this user") doesn't work. Tvoz/talk 04:17, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I concur: Make sure you select the "Enable e-mail from other users" checkbox. =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:50, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

You're awesome...

...I just thought you should know. Ice Cold Beer (talk) 06:59, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

American Dissident Voices

Since you speedied the page could you please close the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Dissident Voices? --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 05:40, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah yes, thank you for pointing that out to me. L'Aquatique[approves|this|message] 05:44, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

RecoMadeEasy

Hi. I am not sure why you tagged RecoMadeEasy which I had created as blatant advertising. If you notice the listing under Speaker Recognition, you will see that they have a section for technology vendors. The other technology vendors are listed there and entries are made for them without the same prejudice! I just added this as an information since a growing number of companies are using this engine for doing biometrics and they are very likely to look for information about the name. Again, if this is not supposed to be listed, then none of the other competitors some of which are newer to the field should also be listed!

Please advise!

Hbeigi (talk) 20:53, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Hbeigi! I'd be glad to tell you why I deleted it. Although it seems it was not your intention, the article does read like an advertisement and generally this is not allowed. I'd be happy, however, to restore it for you then move it to a subpage of your userpage, where you can work on it, asking help from me or anyone else as you go. When you are satisfied that it completely fulfills our policy on spam, you can recreate the page. Please let me know if you'd like to do this, and if there's any specific place you'd like it to go, or if you would like me to e-mail it to you. Also, please look over our policy on spam including the section about how not to be a spammer so you have a good idea of what we're looking for. Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and have a wonderful weekend. L'Aquatique[approves|this|message] 23:35, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Page?

hello. my lord sexy's page was not an attack page - quite the contrary . why was it deleted? I would most certainly like to know. I can't see how a page worshipping someone could be considered vandalism. Besides, Lord Byron was notable. Regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theironnipplesx (talk • contribs) 00:54, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Theironnipplesx: I don't believe I deleted it as an attack page, so I'm not sure where you got that from. I did delete it as vandalism because it was very unencyclopedic, served no real purpose, wasn't sourced and was not very neutral. Now, it was hilarious, but unfortunately, hilarious is not an inclusion rationale here. Also, we already have a page about Lord Byron, we don't really need another one. You might take a look at Uncyclopedia, they are probably more what you are looking for here. Of course, if you disagree with my deletion you can always start a deletion review and others will examine the page to determine whether or not I made the right call. Thanks! L'Aquatique[parlez] 17:52, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I will summarise all on other page == "church to hold meeting to pray for converting gays to straights" Coathanger? ==

Everything I put on is instantly deleted. No meaningful answers are given when I request. I am writing to you because you are one of the only persons to respond to me meaningfully. I put a section on the Wasilla Bible Church redirect.) for anyone to respond and all I get is "coathanger" for this and other stuff. Kelly just deleted "In September 2008 the church promoted a conference to pray for the conversion of gays to become heterosexual." from Wasilla Bible Church redirect as coathanger. Why is it a coathanger and what is it a coathanger for? Also check my recently deleted contrib on the other church site and lack of response to my requests why. Thnx EricDiesel (talk) 06:20, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Kashmir

Sure, I'll write up a draft by this evening. =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:48, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Please see User:Nichalp/Kashmir. Its' a draft, and needs to be discussed to weed out POVs. PS speaking of India-Pakistan issues and your username, take a look at this: Atlantique Incident :) =Nichalp «Talk»= 19:17, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

anti-semitic or homophobic slurs

Sorry, I know this is not a social networking site, but I couldn’t resist after just reading your page with “But please, no anti-semitic or homophobic slurs. I get enough of that in real life, I don't particularly want to deal with it here.”

• Well sourced Paraphrases -

1. “David Brickner (and his Jews for Jesus) is responsible for our having a Wasilla Bible Church” – Larry Kroon introducing David Brickner in August 2008 (I found an article from 2004 related to their close association)

2. “Jews who don’t convert are at fault for deaths in Palestinisn terrror attacks , as it is God’s punishment for failing to convert to Christ” – David Brickner at Wasilla Bible Church (Don’t you wish you could look up the exact quotes in the articles)

3. “Jews for Jesus is not as bad as the Inquisition was for Jews” – Jewish Defense League responding to Brickner sermon at Wasilla Bible Church

4. “Convention to pray for God to convert homosexuals to heterosexuals” – Wasilla Assembly of God announcement for upcoming convention

It would be nice to have an article where you can see all this church stuff. You can look these up, to see what is coming after the election, in the deleted stuff section on the articles for Wasilla Bible Church and Wasilla Assembly of God You might be able to make the Wasilla Assembly of God prayer convention to convert gays to straights, as you said you were in Alaska, and it is coming up soon. If you make it there, please say a prayer for me, too. EricDiesel (talk) 19:42, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Look, I am going to try to make this as clear as I can: just because I personally find that stuff offensive does not mean I am interested in helping you turn articles that shouldn't even exist into coatracks. If someone else thinks that G-d is punishing the Israelis for refusing to convert to Christianity, fine, more power to them. The vast majority of people don't feel that way and the vast majority of people find that viewpoint disturbing. But it exists, and those are real people who live in America and have freedom of speech, and we have to protect them, too. I'm sorry, but I have to ask you to stop posting the same thing over and over on my talk page. If you have something new to tell me, please do, but canvassing me and others is just plain annoying. Thank you. L'Aquatique[parlez] 21:14, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, it was supposed to be a ironic joke. I got in a good mood from your smiling angel on the user page. EricDiesel (talk) 03:09, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Community College Futures Assembly Page

I am wondering why this page was deleted. Your comment said it was "blatant advertising" but that is not the purpose of the assembly nor of the wiki. The purpose of the wiki is to provide a vehicle to disseminate some of the "best ideas" in community college administration. No one receives flyers, emails, or any sort of marketing materials to attend this conference. This conference has no "sponsors" or booths promoting anything. This is, in computer speak, an "open source" forum for dissemination of ideas. May I also call reference to other conferences which have sponsors with wiki pages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_conference or to professional organizations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Educational_Research_Association, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AEJMC, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Relations_Student_Society_of_America

I believe this web page to be in the same vein as these other pages. As you may be able to tell we have built the shell to provide the material about the categories and the most recent winners. The next step will be to create the sub pages with that information. I was, however, waiting until I could see the page in wikipedia and then having graduate students from around the country fill in the subpages. This will help involve graduate students and help increase their knowledge of wiki's...something the academic community has been slow to adopt.

Please let me know what more I will need to provide or if I just need to give up on wiki's and go back to journals, blogs and podcasting as mechanisms to deliver these items to other professors and practitioners.

UTAPROF ZXQ (talk) 01:36, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Apologies for my late response. I think the best thing you could provide at this point would be some proof of notability- that is, reason that the subject of the article is innovative, important, well-known etc enough to warrant an article about it in Wikipedia. Generally we like to see coverage in reliable third party sources- like scientific journals, quality newspapers, etc etc. You can get a fairly good idea of what we consider reliable here: WP:RS.

I don't quite understand some of your post, it's not very clear but you should know the purpose of this wiki is not to disseminate the "best ideas" in community college administration, or anything else for that matter. We're not publishers of original thought, we merely report what others have already studied, applied, on and on.

I hope this answers your questions. If you find proper reliable sources, feel free to repost the article, preferably without the spammy wording. Thanks for your interest in Wikipedia! L'Aquatique[parlez] 05:09, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Alastair Haines

This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. Editors Alastair Haines, L'Aquatique and Ilkali are subject to editing restrictions for one year: a limitation to one revert per page per week and a general parole against disruptive editing. Alastair Haines is further placed on civility parole for that period.

— Coren ^(talk), for the Arbitration Committee, 21:08, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Coren appears to have listed yourself in place of LisaLiel in the above notification; please ignore this. You are not subject to editing restrictions; this is simply an administrative error. My apologies, Anthøny ✉ 21:22, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Wow, I didn't even notice that until you mentioned it! Thanks for the clarification, though. L'Aquatique[parlez] 22:01, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Please accept my apologies; for some inane reason I had substituted usernames around and then distributed that error all over the place. — Coren ^(talk) 01:19, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:SP Cripple Fight.jpg)

Thanks for uploading Image:SP Cripple Fight.jpg. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 06:02, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Robert Denno

You deleted Robert Denno, and wrote:

Blatant advertising: also, username of page creator was bdenno, so possible autobiography)

A "possible autobiography" written in September 2008 of a person who died in March, 2008.

I never encounter people who speedily delete articles or who mark them for speedy deletion except when they behave as if they're trying to prove their lack of common sense. This is definitely such a case. I am told they also delete articles about non-notable garage bands, etc.

I never heard of Robert Denno until a few minutes ago. You could have learned as easily as I did what I learned since then. I didn't even have to use Google or leave Wikipedia to learn his date of death.

I've restored the article because it's deletion defies reason and is a crystal-clear case of biting a newbie for lack of familiarity with Wikipedia's conventions. Michael Hardy (talk) 07:02, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me? An autobiography does not necessarily have to be written by the subject to be an autobiography- in this case my suspicion is that it was a family member that wrote the piece. In any case, my deletion was sound and I'm confident that it will be re-deleted momentarily. I'm sorry if you feel that I lack common sense, however I assure you that I actually do have quite a bit of it- admittedly I don't have much else. This is very much a communication error and I will attempt to be clearer in my deletion summaries from now on. L'Aquatique[parlez] 07:10, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

It does indeed have to be written by the subjeect to be an autobiography. In this case the obvious suspect is his wife Barbara; one would notice that instanatly (I did).

You really need to look up the word "autobiography" in a dictionary. You're horribly confused about that word.

Someone deleted it on copyright infringement grounds without specifying what work's copyright was infringed. Michael Hardy (talk) 15:55, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

foodboyz

You deleted an entry for foodboyz.com. This company is a resource for independent businesses who face an eroding opportuntity to succeed in light of larger corporations.

The template placed on the site is in line with those from similar companies (ie Zagats, Open Table).

Please explain your reason for deletion and what steps need to be made to render it acceptable under the subjective standards of wikipedia. You can contact me directly at james@foodboyz.com .

Regards, James

Hi, James. I'd be glad to explain why I deleted it.

The main reason was that there was no claim to notability listed- in laymans terms what that means is you didn't include any information about what makes foodboyz innovative, unique, etc- to warrant an article about it. There are literally millions of web pages on the internet, and we can't have an article for every single one, or Wikipedia would essentially be impossible to use. So we have standards about how notable a subject is before it merits an article. Note that speedy deletion for this reason does not necessarily mean that a subject isn't notable, it merely means that you didn't try to show how it is notable. This can be a difficult thing to do, so check out our notability information page (linked above) for a fairly good idea of how to do this.

I should also note that given your e-mail address, it would appear you are affiliated with the website in some way. Although writing an article about your business, employer, self, etc is not specifically disallowed by policy (it would be incredibly hard to regulate) it's important to realize that when you're in this position, it is often very difficult to write neutrally, and even if you try hard sometimes things can come off as sounding like an advertisement. As a general rule, the recommendation in cases like these is to request the creation of the article and see if someone uninvolved comes along and wants to write the article. Then, you can give them all your information and they might be able to write more neutrally than you could.

I hope this helps. L'Aquatique[parlez] 17:48, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

New message

Dear L'Aquatique, I saw your userpage few minutes ago. You are here for over a year. I'm new. Can you help me? :-) AdjustShift (talk) 17:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'd love to help. What is your question? L'Aquatique[parlez] 17:49, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Two days ago, I was facing some problems. I don't have any specific problem right now, but when you are new, sometime you get lost. In future, if I face any problem, can I ask you? AdjustShift (talk) 17:58, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Certainly. My email address is fromjuneauwithlove AT gmail DOT com, or you can leave a message here and I'll reply as soon as I can. L'Aquatique[parlez] 18:03, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 18:07, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Alaska geostubs

Thanks for weighing in on the Alaska geography stubs question; I'm not trying to criticise you, but I've raised some objections based on bits that I believe would make Alaska geostubs unnecessarily different from other states' geostubs. I see that you're listed as sleeping on WP:HAU; when you wake up, would you please respond? Nyttend (talk) 04:26, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Just wanted to let you know: please don't start creating stubs or stub categories yet, for reasons that you can find at the top of WP:WSS/P. Please do, however, do as much work as you want to do with listing articles on that user subpage that you've created. Nyttend (talk) 00:12, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Hee hee, don't know worry, I know process. Thanks, though! : ) L'Aquatique[parlez] 00:15, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, wasn't sure because of your words on the proposals page. By the way, the way we've done it in the past with a place that isn't exclusively in the state is to leave the state stub, rather than a local one: for example, Western Basin of Lake Erie or East River (New River). For that reason, it would be more consistent if Mount Vancouver stayed with the state level stub. I've never seen this stated as a policy; this is simply the way I've observed it being done. Nyttend (talk) 01:40, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to see if we can decide on a name for the northernmost region for Alaska stubs; would you please return to the discussion to give more input? Nyttend (talk) 17:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for all your input on the geostub discussions; once the final decision is made, will you be able quickly to create the stubs and the four categories? Nyttend (talk) 04:03, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

It should only take me a few minutes to actually create the templates and categories. I may not be online when the final decision is made, though. Tomorrow's a pretty busy day for me, but I should have a couple of breaks at least. I'll make sure to check in every now and then. L'Aquatique[parlez] 04:36, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

[unindent] The proposal period has now ended for the Alaska geostubs; as noted by the header on WP:WSS/P, "Unless discussion to determine consensus is actively on-going", you can create the stubs. In my opinion, the northern region category shouldn't yet be created, since to me it doesn't seem as if we've finished discussing its name; but all the individual stubs can be created, along with the Southeast, Southcentral, and Southwest categories. Thanks much for your help! Nyttend (talk) 13:52, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Not trying to bug you (thanks for beginning creation!), but could your remaining stubs and categories be based off the way I've modified the ones you've already made? This way, they'll be much more in line with normal formatting for stubs and stub categories. Nyttend (talk) 19:47, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I've created all the stubs, along with two categories (SW and SC). Sorry if I seemed to be pushing you too hard. Nyttend (talk) 20:57, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Would you mind if I removed articles from your stubs page when they've had the proper stubs applied? For example, most or all Nome Census Area places have had {{NomeAK-geo-stub}} applied, so I'd remove most or all of them, only leaving any if there are some with {{Alaska-geo-stub}} still applied. Nyttend (talk) 12:32, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Bitch

I can't believe you made my life hell. You did something to me that hurt me big time back in early August. You may think that I deserved what happened, but you hurt me. There was no need to do what you did. If you don't remember, then that's because you don't have a very good conscience. You can defend yourself and get your friends to defend you, but I know you're guilty for what you did. DFrogs (talk) 23:22, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I think I would remember making someone's life a living hell, and I certainly wouldn't do such a thing intentionally. I've never had dealings with you under this username, but of course, you could be using a new one- I have no way of knowing who you are, or rather were. Perhaps you can explain to me what I have done so I can fix it. L'Aquatique[parlez] 00:18, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Contrary to popular belief, I don't think Jewish guilt applies here. I suggest trying Wikipedia:JEW. Neuro√Logic 00:09, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello... Foodboyz.com REEDIT

Hello,

I wanted to thank you for your response to the submission. I have spoken with several people regarding the entry and have made numerous edits that I believe comply with Wikipedia's standards.

Changes made include; Elimination of any information that appears promotional or as an advertisement Elimination of references or links that are not directly a support of the uniqueness of the entry Explanation / inclusion of why this entry is unique (implementation of new technology (Flash Technology) in use of it's programing to create a unique information center. This use of this Flash Technology specific to the webiste is now used as template and learning tool by the software developers and companies worldwide. Referenced.

Please let me know if you have any further suggestions. Your help is greatly appreciated.

Jfreund602 (talk) 23:38, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Golden Era Records

Hello,

a few months back you deleted a page about Golden Era Records, which coincidentally happens to be a major Australian record label, please revert this if possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.49.138.98 (talk) 16:13, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

If you can provide verifiable sources that say it is a major australian record label, and prove notability, I will restore it so you can add them. L'Aquatique[parlez] 02:42, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Jewish barnstar

It seems a bit plain -- how about something more innovative!! DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 08:16, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

And -- from where did you get that online/offline button? DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 08:22, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

If you have a design for the Jewish barnstar, by all means upload it. I'm not sure what exactly I could do to make it more snazzy, but perhaps you can give me some ideas?

The online-offline marker is my own derivative of a popular template, I'd be fully willing to share it with you. First, you need to follow the instructions at WP:QUI, which adds a button up by your log-on information that allows you to specify whether you are on or offline. Let me know if you need help! L'Aquatique[parlez] 19:45, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Wow -- this seems way too difficult...I don't know what a cache or a monobook is. Thanks anyway. DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 01:25, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Lauditory quotations in bibliographic articles

As a new contributor to Wikipedia, I have a lot to learn, but I'm trying to do the right thing. I recently edited the Morris Thompson article; you deleted General Hamilton's quote, remarking that it was lovely, but inappropriate. OK. Maybe so. I didn't know better.

Then I read today's Featured Article on Francis Harvey, a British war hero. It seems the judgment of more experienced Wikipedians than I came to the conclusion that Winston Churchill's kind words fit in that article.

It will help me a lot if you could comment or take appropriate action after you reflect on this matter. //Don K. (talk) 08:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Don! Looking at the page history of Morris Thompson, it would appear that it was User:WhisperToMe who removed your quote, in this diff: [9]. You'll want to take this up with him/her. L'Aquatique[parlez] 19:57, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Ernesto Guillo

Dear L'Aquatique, please delete [10]. It was my mistake. AdjustShift (talk) 13:08, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

My problem was solved by User:AGK. Please don't do anything. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 14:05, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

You got it! For future reference, you can link to internal pages (articles, userpages, etc) by writing them as such: [[ARTICLETITLE]]. So for example if I wanted to create a link to the article about Earth, I would write it like this: [[Earth]], which would result in Earth. You can also pipe links, which means you can create a link to a page but have a different word come up as the linked word, for example: Terra Firma, notice how it still links to Earth. To do this, the syntax is [[ACTUALTITLE|DESIREDTITLE]], for the example above it looked like this: [[Earth|Terra Firma]]. Make sense? L'Aquatique[parlez] 20:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I know what you just explained. Let me explain about my wiki-journey: I've edited many Wikipedia articles and I've also started few pages. Baseball Before We Knew It appeared on the "Did you know". I've studied about policies of Wikipedia and I understand them pretty well. I also realize that there are other projects like "Commons", "Wiktionary", etc. Let's say I want to link something to Wiktionary. How can I do that? And I feel you are a very helpful person. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 02:58, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Linking to another project is very similar to internal linking. Basically, it looks like this: [[PROJECT:TITLE]]<nowiki> or <nowiki>[[PROJECT:NAMESPACE:TITLE]] if the target is a user page, talk page, etc. So if I wanted to link to my userpage on commons, it would look like this: [[commons:User:L'Aquatique]]. For the project name you can either spell the entire name out or use shortcuts, the main ones are "w:" for Wikipedia, "wikt:" for Wiktionary, "m:" for meta, and "c:" for commons.

You can also link between languages for projects that have more than one language version. If you are linking to another Wikipedia, it would look like so: [[:LANG:NAMESPACE:TITLE]], using the two letter ISO language code (en=english, de=german, fr=french, es=spanish, etc). Also, note the colon right after the "[["- this is important for a reason that is somewhat complicated and you don't need to worry about right this second- also remember that namespaces may be differently named depending on the language. Anyway, so if I wanted to link to my userpage on the French Wikipedia, I would use this: [[:fr:Utilisateur:L'Aquatique]].

If you're linking to a different language AND a different project, you would need to have both the language and project syntax, so it would look like this: [[PROJECT:LANG:NAMESPACE:TITLE]], note that you no longer need that colon. As a final example, I don't have a page on the Italian Wikiquote but if I did, I would link to it like m'yah: [[wikiquote:it:Utente:L'Aquatique]].

All of this is explained in greater depth with a complete list of project shortcuts here, and you can find a mostly complete list of ISO codes here: Wikipedia:Babel/List. Also remember that you can still use the | key to pipe interwiki or interlanguage links. Good luck! L'Aquatique[parlez] 07:43, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 13:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

List of Black Lagoon Characters Article Maintenance

Hi again, I would like to say that the modifications of that IP address may not be vandalism but the information he is posting is faulty. I would also like to add that the article was absolutely overflowing with fan-made content which I removed, I cannot ask him to stop because he obviously doesn't look at the discussion page, playing "edit wars" is not my idea of a community effort.Drakes97 (talk) 13:42, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I'n not going to block an unwarned IP because of a content dispute. Once again, I urge you to try talking with him about it: leave a message on his talk page. If he doesn't stop, start using user warning templates- starting with a low-level one and working up. L'Aquatique[parlez] 15:13, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Image:AlanShearerBanner.jpg

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Image:AlanShearerBanner.jpg. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. MickMacNee (talk) 18:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks :-)

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Thanks for your help. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 19:23, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Wow, thanks! If you have more questions be sure to drop by, the door to the igloo's always unlocked. L'Aquatique[parlez] 00:02, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

What, no air conditioning?

L'Aqua!

Love the new userpage, it's awesome. Kinda sad you did away with the quotes, I liked that. How's? We haven't spoken in forever, I've been too busy with life.

Email me or poke me on my usertalk sometime, I'm officially back in wikibusiness!

Peace, Neuro√Logic 23:40, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Help with a picture?

revised?

revised?

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Willard Van Orman Quine is one of the new WP:OH 0.7 articles and the only pic of the guy has a stamp on his face. I know you do some stuff with pictures and was wondering if you fix it up a bit? Any improvement at all would really help. PS I just noticed you made admin while I was gone, congrats! Image:Wvq-passport-1975-400dpi-crop.jpg §hep • ¡Talk to me! 22:02, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I can't decide whether this is better or worse? (you may need to purge your cache to see the changes) If you don't like it, we can always revert.

Hope you're feeling well! L'Aquatique[parlez] 22:25, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I definitely think it it's an improvement. I can't tell if I'm well yet or not; but I feel great...I guess the narcotics will do that for ya. hehe Thanks again. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 00:11, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Good Point

I should have talked to him more, too. Thanks for the reminder. Tim (talk) 18:07, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

AN/I

I have removed your resolved tag. There is an existing MFD which I have attempted to enforce.Traditional unionist (talk) 00:49, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Um...

"Committed identity: d1c444a2b9da24c54fad821d7e089822b4521c4c is the grammatical article for the hash function SHA-1 commitment to this user's real-life identity."

I'm a reasonably skilled security analyst and even I can't decipher the gibberish in that sentence. Is the statement actually supposed to make sense, or just sound technical? (and yes I do know what an identity key is) -A somewhat drunk Rushyo ^Talk 22:01, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it's supposed to make sense. That's the same wording of the templates used for identity keys, or at least it was when I made it... Feel free to change it to make more sense. : ) L'Aquatique[parlez] 18:30, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't get the statement of it being a "grammatical article". A grammatical article is just that. It doesn't have any special cryptographic relevance.

Additionally a commitment relating to an identity is not a committed identity. It is a value representing an identity rather than a permutation of the identity itself.

An analogy might be that a registration relating to a car is not a registered car. However the registration can still be used to represent the car in question.

Also the term 'the' implies that it is the sole commitment relating to that person's identity... when in fact you can have a many to one relationship.

Thus I would propose: "Commitment of identity: d1c444a2b9da24c54fad821d7e089822b4521c4c is a commitment of this user's real-life identity, generated with the hash function SHA-1."

I might be wrong about some/all of the above. Computational trust isn't an area I've studied in depth but as an experienced programmer with a special interest in security I regularly come into contact with it. -Rushyo ^Talk 20:03, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Yesh, that is much better. I will change it now, thanks for your help! Hope you're doing well. L'Aquatique[talk] 00:24, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Not really but thank you for the thought :) You seem to be doing okay though! -Rushyo ^Talk 19:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

MY FIRST MOTTO!!! =

I had my first motto approved!!! Check it out: Wikipedia:Motto of the day/September 23, 2008. --男らしい冬 03:59, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Congrats!! I'm so glad to see you're doing well. L'Aquatique[chitchat] 21:34, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar Thanks

Thanks for the barnstar! It seems to me you should be "barned" as well for your work on the geostub sorting. -- Shunpiker (talk) 19:22, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

No problem! L'Aquatique[chitchat] 21:31, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Adopt-a-User

Dear L'Aquatique, would you like to adopt me? I'm new, so I may make some mistakes. You can watch Special:Contributions/AdjustShift and help me if I encounter any problem. AdjustShift (talk) 03:38, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Sure! I'm supposed to be working on a biology assignment right now so I'll do the necessary template work to adopt you tomorrow, but for now, if you have any questions as always fire away. L'Aquatique[talk] 06:26, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! :-) Biology assignment? Are you a biology student? And I read your userpage. You are from Alaska! This is probably the first time I'm talking with someone from Alaska! I've only seen Alaska in map. I'm not from the US. :-) Anyway, thanks for adopting me. Have a nice day! AdjustShift (talk) 13:28, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Yep yep, I do live in Alaska and I am a marine biology student. I'm curious, is English your native language? You speak it quite well. L'Aquatique[talk] 16:36, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, marine biology! Alaska is a beautiful place. I would love to visit Alaska someday. English is not my native language. Have a nice day! :-) AdjustShift (talk) 17:05, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Time for n RfC?

L'A, the user Alleichem is creating disruption on a number of pages, and has at least four of us repeatedly reverting him. We've tried talking to him, to no avail. He's also putting in edits that an earlier disrupter did, and may be that earlier person in a new name. Do we do an RfC on him? He's obstinate, and I'm stumped (we all are). SkyWriter (talk) 13:33, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, an RfC would logically be the next step, although if he's a sock of a banned editor the correct place to report would be WP:SSP. Wait one more day and let me talk with him, though, maybe he'd listen to an admin. L'Aquatique[talk] 16:33, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

You threat

Could you point me to an example of where I have harassed anyone? I will apologise immediately if I have done so. Perhaps you could warn him for altering the meaning of one of my comments?Traditional unionist (talk) 20:46, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah, don't misinterpret me, this was not a threat and I am not going to block you- I don't do that. It is, however, fair warning. Continuing to press the issue when it is clearly resolved and when the user has stated that he no longer wants to talk about it is, by definition, harassment.

Provide me with a diff showing that he intentionally altered the meaning of something you said and I will gladly warn him. L'Aquatique[talk] 21:03, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

I assumed it was my response to this that you were accusing me for harassment. And FYI, the user did not indicate he wished the matter to lie. On the contrary, he continued the discussion when he had previously simply reverted my comments. Rude, but a clear message to which I took the hint at the time.Traditional unionist (talk) 21:05, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Looking at it again, he seems to have been attempting to rectify my omission of a comma rather than altering the meaning of a comment, which I took it to be. I will indicate so.Traditional unionist (talk) 21:08, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Once again, stop accusing me of harassment. Your definition of harassment has a dubiously low bar.Traditional unionist (talk) 10:38, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

RfC on Alleichem

An RfC has been started for User:Alleichem. Since you have been a party to disputes with this user, it would be helpful if you could post your opinion there. -LisaLiel (talk) 13:54, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

L'A, that user name has now been indefinitely blocked. Not sure what to do when a new sock is created. If there is any potential to rehabilitate a new user name, I'd be willing to help. The only question will be identifying him -- the agenda is so fringe that he won't be hard to spot, but the question of what to do will remain. I'll follow any suggestions you have. SkyWriter (Tim) (talk) 19:49, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, let me think about it... I'll get back to you later. L'Aquatique[talk] 20:02, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Sarah Palin

Dear L'Aquatique, are you interested in the 2008 United States presidential election? Do you support John McCain? Sarah Palin is from your state! Have a nice day! :-) AdjustShift (talk) 16:39, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I know! In fact, that is about all our newspapers are able to talk about... :| L'Aquatique[talk] 19:44, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

{{talkback|Toddst1}}

Dumb question

What does "ec" mean as in this? Toddst1 (talk) 20:57, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

It means I'm too lazy to write out [Edit Conflict]! L'Aquatique[talk] 04:48, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

:-) AdjustShift (talk) 08:06, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Adopt me?

Would you adopt me? I really want to be a respected user someday. Jock Boy 20:10, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Jock Boy! Unfortunately, at this time I don't really have the time to take on another adoptee. If you look here: Wikipedia:Adopt-a-User/Adoptee's Area/Adopters you can find a nice long list of people who are available to adopt. Good luck! L'Aquatique[talk] 00:45, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Shana tovah!

		The Real Life Barnstar
		Wishing you a Shana Tovah u'metukah- a sweet and happy new year! Bstone (talk) 03:53, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Wow, thanks B! I have a million and one things to do between now and tomorrow night, including bake my locally-famous Baklava for our new years potluck. MmM... Here's hoping for a peaceful, healthy and prosperous year for all of us! Shana tova!-- L'Aquatique[talk] 05:05, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Orthodox Jew=

You Jewish too? Yom Tov. Yom Tov! 72.3454.34 (talk) 16:18, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

L'A -- that was another Alleichem sock.

In any case, Shana Tovah -- have a sweet and happy New Year. SkyWriter (Tim) (talk) 16:30, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, at least he's a polite sock. Shana tovah to you and yours, and here's to a happy new year. Shana tova!-- L'Aquatique[talk] 20:11, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Category:Jewish Wikipedians

• Hello, Your last edit of Category:Jewish Wikipedians make the page being itself in the Category, because the inclusion of template you made. I don't know how to fix this, so I have do nothing. 89.2.243.42 (talk) 20:45, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi! It really shouldn't be a problem if a category page is contained within the category. If this is causing unforseen trouble for you, let me know and I'll deal with it. Shana tova!-- L'Aquatique[talk] 20:48, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

• • • "It really shouldn't be a problem" Ok. 89.2.243.42 (talk) 20:55, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

You were away

Dear L'Aquatique, you were away from Wikipedia for few days. It has something to do with "new year". Can you explain.... AdjustShift (talk) 15:34, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Of course! I took a wikibreak to celebrate Rosh Hashanah, which is the "new year" of the Jewish calendar- it's a religious holiday. Think of it this way- you know how the Chinese New Year is not held on the same day the secular new year (1 January) is? It's the same thing. Just a different calendar, thus a different new year. Shana tova!-- L'Aquatique[talk] 20:28, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 10:21, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

You are Jewish! I'm glad to know that. I've not met with many Jews in my life. Have a nice day! :-) AdjustShift (talk) 10:32, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

not vandalism

That entry was freaking hilarious and you know it. Unless you're... a SCIENTOLOGIST!?!?!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.17.241 (talk) 03:18, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Eh, I've read funnier... $\sim$ L'Aquatique[talk] 03:20, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks! I totally forgot what today was, lol. Eh I'm on soft stuff now: Gabbapentin, Methadone, Oxycodone, and good 'ole Motrin. *hugs back* Thanks again! §hep • ¡Talk to me! 00:03, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Yep, one year down. And it all started with a reverted edit hehe. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 00:13, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

lol I missed that. I'll never understand a lot of people, that IP is one of them... Thanks for the chuckle (people still say that word right??) §hep • ¡Talk to me! 18:58, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Template talk:Date

Nice talk page. Thanks for the reply at Prior date outputs request. I revised the template doc. In looking for my own answer to the question I posted at Template talk:Date, there seems to be a lot of date computing templates not in Category:Date-computing templates based on current time. -- Suntag ☼ 13:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

AAU reminder notice

A friendly reminder from the Adopt-a-User project =)

Hey there L'Aquatique! This is a friendly reminder to update your status at Wikipedia:Adopt-a-User/Adoptee's Area/Adopters whenever it is appropriate in order to provide new users with the most up-to-date information on available adopters. Also please note that we will be removing adopters who have not edited in 60 days. If you become active again (and we hope you do!) please feel free to re-add yourself. Cheers!

• Notice delivery by xenobot 14:24, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

“Meta side of Wikipedia” and “namespace”

Dear L'Aquatique, what are “Meta side of Wikipedia” and “namespace”? AdjustShift (talk) 15:49, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I think I've figured it out. Namespace is "Wikipedia" and "Wikipedia talk". Have a nice day! :-) AdjustShift (talk) 13:33, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Graphic Designer's Barnstar

Hi, L'Aquatique. I really like what you did with the Graphic Designer's Barnstar image at Image:GDBarnstar1.png. I was wondering if you might consider resizing it, though, as it kind of looks funny now being so large. The standard size for those images is 111×107, but the new barnstar is 264×227, which also increased the size from 17kB to 105kB. Just curios. Thanks! Ioeth _{(talk contribs friendly)} 14:54, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, absolutely. When I decided to upload it at that size I assumed most people who had received it would be displaying it with the |100px| in the image syntax, but I apparently was wrong. I'll re-upload it now. ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 19:06, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 19:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Nicely done!! I can't believe that the size is down to 5kB now! Cheers! Ioeth _{(talk contribs friendly)} 20:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I compressed it and applied a dither to keep it smooth. Since it's small, the reduction in quality shouldn't be noticeable. ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 20:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Yom Kippur

Dear L'Aquatique, how was Yom Kippur? Did you enjoy it? :-) AdjustShift (talk) 13:38, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, Yom Kippur is not a holiday that one enjoys, per sé, but it was, as always, a very enlightening experience and I feel I am ready to go into the new year a better person than I was before. Also, I ate myself into a stupor as soon as the fast ended... . How've you been? ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 17:16, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

user:82.71.229.37

Heya.. That's just Tom Sales again. He socks all the time, and abuses {{helpme}}.. Prince of Canada ^{t | c} 04:18, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, haha, now I feel lame for giving him the time of day. Oh well. ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 04:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

It's okay, I've been sucked in too. The kid is persistent. Prince of Canada ^{t | c} 04:27, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I've realised. I tried to register as that after he nicked it.--79.73.73.156 (talk) 09:26, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Reply

the show has stopped filming. it stopped in 2007. my sister is not on that show anymore. She is attending vasser in 2009 to be a elementary school teacher. You think that when she is 40 you might finally change her page to say shes not on the show anymore?

I know you just jumpd in here and have no idea what your talking about but next time do some research mmkay? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.234.104.242 (talk) 07:34, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I havent removed any properly cited stuff. the show was filmed. true. filming has ended true. I changed from "stars in " to starred in" and added that she will be attending college in 2009. Do you think she will be 12 forever? That is not removing cited anything. Learn your own rules. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.234.104.242 (talk) 07:40, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Windows Vista

On a personal note, do you think that Vista is better than XP? I have read many condescending reviews about it. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 22:42, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

• Down with Vista! XP ftw! Icewedge (talk) 05:59, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

It all sucks, imho. Vista is glitchy, XP's graphics make me want to hurl, and OSX is overpriced and overrated. My computer just happened to come with vista. ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 06:21, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Re User:Tautologist/Palin's Church (uncensored)

Thanks for considering my speedy tag. The page contains much non-libelous material, (as does the current version of that article, Wasilla Assembly of God) but it does contain a number of BLP statements not attributed to reliable sources. For context, see also Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Tautologist and Wikipedia:BLP/N#Thomas_Muthee (and the places they can lead you if you like). Given that several other editors have looked at Tautologist's additions and reverted them as BLP violations due to lack of reliable sourcing, and that he's been blocked as using a sockpuppet to promote his POV, what action should I take? Is it acceptable for me to blank a page on another user's space if I believe it contains unsourced contentious BLP claims? Sorry to bother you, but I've never had to deal with someone this hellbent on including a BLP violation in Wikipedia before. Jclemens (talk) 01:06, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

No need to apologize for "bothering me"- we're all doing our jobs! If it was my choice I'd probably delete it- it's contentious and having it around is only going to cause trouble- but that said it does not qualify for speedy deletion and to delete it would be abuse of power!

Your best bet would probably be to bring it up at miscellany for deletion, that's generally where userspace deletion is handled. To be bluntly honest, however, I'm not sure that the result will be delete. I've seen them keep some material that I found tremendously problematic. Be sure to mention the puppetry case, the fact that the material has been repeatedly removed as a BLP vio. The name in and of itself is fairly telling.

Be sure to let me know if you have further questions or need assistance. ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 03:33, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your further attention and advice. Jclemens (talk) 03:35, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

0wn3d

I was right, you were wrong. do research loser. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.234.104.242 (talk) 08:48, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

This would be amusing if it weren't for the fact that you are incorrect. I was right in blocking you- you violated 3RR and showed intention to continue edit warring to prove a point. I would strongly suggest you cease and desist in calling other people losers. Wouldn't want to get yourself blocked again, would you? ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 17:22, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Tautologist/Palin's Church (uncensored)

Although Latin does (or did), contrary to common understanding, employ diacritics (the apex at least, and perhaps the sicilicus), "per se" is not, AFAIK, properly accented. It occurred to me that you might want to know (and if it happens that I'm wrong, I should like to know, and I hope that you, accepting my apologies, will correct me)... 69.212.19.178 (talk) 22:10, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah, see you can tell I've been educated in French, but not latin! Oh well, doesn't much matter now. But thanks for bringing it to my attention! ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 22:45, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

shenweiss

Hi, I'm doing my first wiki entry on the mauthner cell for some reason the formatting is horrible, no carriage returns it just scrolls horizontally any idea why? Could you help me. Thanks --Shenweiss (talk) 02:05, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

For a reason which frankly I don't know, the media wiki software automatically renders text like that if you start a paragraph with a space. For example:

I hit the spacebar before I wrote this sentence

I didn't hit the spacebar before I wrote this sentence
Look at the source code (hit the edit button) to see the difference in the way I wrote them. You just have to make sure you aren't starting any paragraphs with spaces and the problem should be resolved. Let me know if you have further trouble! ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 04:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Personal attacks

Hi, this IP needs banned again for personal attacks. RainbowOfLight ^Talk 05:07, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Clue bat applied. Thanks for the heads up, I was waiting for one more complaint before I sent him back on vacation! ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 05:16, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. After I left this message for you, I also found and reverted this.

You had this coming

For the bold addition of the new advertisement banner on the Nintendo Task Force page, here's a Starman. MuZemike (talk) 23:21, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

	The Nintendo Barnstar
	{{{reason}}}

Wow, thanks! I do love the sparklies... ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 03:21, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Main Page redesign

The Main Page Redesign proposal is currently conducting a straw poll to select five new designs, before an RFC in which one will be proposed to replace the Main Page. The poll closes on October 31st. Your input would be hugely appreciated! Many thanks, Pretzels^Talk! 11:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

He's baaaack...

Oh L'Aquatique, the IP claiming to be Julianna Rose Mauriello's brother is back. Can you help keep an eye on this? Not only is there a definite conflict of interest, by continually saying "don't change my sister's page" he's definitely violating WP:OWN. RainbowOfLight ^Talk 06:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Palin, Biden, Obama, McCain

Hi. I agree with continuing the lockdown of these four article thru November 5. However, the huge tag at the top of each of the articles is hideous. The small padlock symbol would work just as well, and anyone would understand what's happening from reading the tag at the top of each of the talk pages. The McCain article has already been locked up for a couple days without using the huge tag at the top of the article. This issue arose previously, and it was decided to keep the Palin article frozen but get rid of the huge tag at the top.Ferrylodge (talk) 08:04, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Why are these pages fully protected? I skimmed Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Disruption_on_Obama_talk_page, and I don't see vandalism or edit warring coming from established users. What's the deal? I also read your Biden post, and I want more details as to why these pages are fully protected. CTJF83Talk 08:25, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

There's a discussion about the whole thing right now at WP:ANI. I can't speak for all four of the lock-ups, but the McCain article was subject to some pretty intense bickering the past few days. I think there's a general recognition that things will inevitably get much worse over the next few days, until the election.Ferrylodge (talk) 08:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'll have to look at the in about 9 hrs when I wake up. L'Aquatique, if you could respond also, on here, that'd be great! CTJF83Talk 08:30, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

[outdent] Well, if you don't mind I'm going to copypaste my recent response from an/i which gives a fairly good explanation of my decision. It's rather early and I just got up, so I don't be surprised if I come back and add more when my brain is functioning!

When I decided to protect my decision was based on a wide variety of things- firstly common sense that these articles would be under incredible dispute considering the current climate in the US and indeed the world. I also had reports from vandal fighters on the page that it was getting overwhelming, they couldn't handle it, and that was in many ways the straw that broke the camels back. Wikipedia is a big deal, I think sometimes people forget that we have a ton load of presence in the greater world and it's important that we show a good face. We're the third hit on google for search string "Barack Obama" and the first that is not run by him. I'm sure the situation is similar for the other three. People are coming here for information about the candidates, information that they may use to make an extremely important decision in a few days and it's up to us to make sure that they get the best quality information they can get. If that means restricting editing on these pages, so be it. There's so much more at stake here than editing priveledges.

Also, as an aside [I did not write this on an/i] I happen to agree with Ferrylodge above about the protection templates. Someone on the an/i thread has devised some specialty templates which are only about a sentence long and should do nicely.

~ L'Aquatique[talk] 17:24, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Ya, but was the vandalism coming just from IPs and new users, or established users also? CTJF83Talk 17:37, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

The vandalism was coming from autoconfirmed users, the pages had been semi-protected ages ago so the problem was not ips and very new editors, unfortunately. ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 18:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

What exactly are "autoconfirmed" users? CTJF83Talk 18:21, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. It's wikispeak. This page This page explains it better than I could. ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 18:23, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, ok CTJF83Talk 18:32, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

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Jeez what a repellent color.

"...reports from vandal fighters on the page that it was getting overwhelming, they couldn't handle it, and that was in many ways the straw that broke the camels back." What "reports"? What "vandal fighters"? More bullshit. At McCain there was an extremely low level of vandalism, lower than on countless WP articles that don't suffer lock-down by overzealous admins who, throwing their weight around without the slightest regard for the facts of the matter, heavy-handedly protect the interests of the article owners. And if your fictional "vandals" were to materialize in a savage assault on the McCain and Palin hagiographies, there are McCain campaign sentries on duty 24/7 ready to nuke them. The whole vandalism issue is bogus.

As for lockdown as an instrument of some unilaterally-decided policy of preemptive strike, that's no less a crock. Neither is the Bickerer-in-Chief's complaint of talk-page "bickering" grounds for lockdown. Any administrator worthy of such, er, lofty bureaucratic office would have (a) checked for vandalism (b) found there was little to none (c) decided on a policy of wait and see and (d) reserved lock-down for if and when "overwhelming" vandalism proved a real threat to the article. — Writegeist (talk) 18:44, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I think I might agree that admins are abusing their power, with this protection, not specifically saying you, L'Aquatique, but there are enough people with all 4 pages on a watchlist, that vandalism won't last more than a few minutes, let alone a few seconds. CTJF83Talk 18:49, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Writegeist, please attempt to be civil, disagreeing with my decision does not give you an excuse to be rude. Also, I would strongly recommend that you read the an/i thread, towards the beginning was the report by the vandal fighters who were growing wearing of doing nothing but protecting these pages. ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 18:59, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• I am not sure if this protection falls within our regular methods, but I think it might not be such a bad idea. The protection policy does discourage protecting pages just because they might become a problem, but I think that in this case where the articles are so important and widely viewed (Sarah Palin was getting 823.5k page views a day a while ago) that a BLP violation --of the kind that are not obvious vandalism and are not reverted speedily-- could theoretically affect thousands of people and, while I am not usually a proponent of a socially proactive Wikipedia, we probably shouldn't be sending hundreds of people to the polls with biased information. Icewedge (talk) 19:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

This colour IS repellent. And it works against legibility. I also stand by my statement that any decent administrator would have (a) checked for vandalism (b) found there was little to none (c) decided on a policy of wait and see and (d) reserved lock-down for if and when "overwhelming" vandalism proved a real threat to the article. — Writegeist (talk) 21:43, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

What color exactly are you talking about? If you're having trouble reading my posts, I'd like to find out why.

As for your opinion about my qualifications as an admin, I believe you have the right to state your opinion. I think you're wrong, obviously, but you're allowed to state your opinion. However, as yet you have not provided, in my mind, a sufficient counter argument to justify my going against consensus to unprotect the page. If you believe I have acted with the willful intent to harm the encyclopedia, you may open an WP:RFC regarding my actions. ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 22:18, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

←The background color here, L'A, makes it a little hard to read on my screen too - not enough contrast between it and the type, especially the blue links. Could you change to a lighter shade for background? As for the overall point - I am generally opposed to full protection, and think this pre-emptive move sets a bad precedent. But I am very aware of the level of partisan editing that has gone on all over the political articles, so maybe a few days of protection is not the end of the world. More discussion might have been wise, however, as there are a lot of editors on these pages who do watch them 24/7, and what feels like a unilateral decree never goes down all that well. I,for one, would have liked to be notified of any RFPP to give my opinion, and am not sure you would have had consensus if more involved editors had been consulted. However..... this is where we are, and I do see some merit to it given the intensity of the election and the very few days remaining, so what I'll say now is I hope the intention is to return to semi-protection promptly after Tuesday's results so that we can fend off IP and new vandals, but all of the rest of us have equal access to the texts. I am not happy with edits having to go through random admins, who are not necessarily more objective than us civilians. But thank you for what I think was your reasoned assessment of a difficult situation, and your even-handed response to it. I also think the election template is the way to go so that everyone understands what's up on these pages - with a revert to the small lock on top when we go back to sprot. Cheers... Tvoz/talk 22:39, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I also have a BIG problem with the improper "cloak of silence" that has desceded from above over these 4 articles. These articles have been, and would have continued to be, instantaneously protected by the legion of good faith editors that have worked dillegently to create quality. This act is an afront to every editor involved and should be reverted ASAP. It is a clear case of aggressive over-reaction and censorship and calls into question the good faith qualities and abilities of those same editors. As the quote at the top of the "editing User talk" page requests, I will not assume malice on your part, L'A. However, that seems to leave only one other choice. What should have happened was a conversation with everyone involved. As soon as you revert...that conversation can begin. The counter argument that you request is that there was never a consensus to protect. The request of a very few fringe editors is NOT consensus. BTW...I also agree that your color choice for this page is problematic for visitors. But, I think you have already been told that.--Buster7 (talk) 23:44, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I have been told that and if you look in the history of this page you will see that I actually adjusted the contrast of the page quite a bit. I will assume by your post that it wasn't enough, so in this edit I am also changing the color scheme of the page.

In response to your post, I can only repeat what I have said before: I don't agree, and current consensus at the an/i thread appears to be with me. I thank you for not assuming malice on my part, but I'd like to remind you that sometimes something is neither malice nor stupidity- merely a difference of opinion. I've done stupid things in my life, I've don't mean things in my life, but I'm quite certain that this does not fall under either of those. In protecting this page, and in continuing to stand behind my decision, I am doing what I feel is necessary to protect Wikipedia and all her editors. Did I do the right thing? I really think so, but I'll be the first to admit that there's a distinct possibility that I may have been wrong- a sentiment I believe all people should consider all the time. However, I think the likelihood that I was wrong is low enough that I will not unprotect the pages at this time. I urge you to voice your opinion at the an/i thread, which I am watching. If consensus shows that the community wants the pages unprotected, I will do it, you have my promise, scouts honor. ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 00:07, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Tvoz: yes, I fully intend to return the articles to semi-protection after the election is over, and I believe that is community consensus. I also intend to party like it's 1999 and potentially drink heavily to celebrate it all being over. ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 00:13, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Nope. There is no consensus for your unilateral decision to protect these articles. See the comments in talk pages and in AN/I. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 15:33, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

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Won'tcha be glad when this is over? ;-) SkyWriter (Tim) (talk) 00:26, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

More than you will ever know... My d-day counter on my phone is set to count down the days, so everytime I look at my phone I know how many days until I can sleep soundly again. *sigh* ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 01:19, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

For what it's worth, Writegeist is equally obnoxious to everyone, so don't take that aspect of this personally. I don't agree with your decision, but I respect your competence and motivations in doing so. And Tvoz is right, it's not the end of the world; I was mostly upset by the original warning tags that were on, which were fortunately changed. And your background color's fine with me :-) Wasted Time R (talk) 01:43, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

"Equally obnoxious to everyone"? "Equally"? Dammit Sir or Madam, I resemble that remark. I rather prided myself on having scaled uniquely giddying heights of Mt. Obnoxious in my responses to L'Aquatique. Am I losing my touch? Incidentally L'A's adjustment of the vile mauve to this wishy-washy lavender is an improvement, notwithstanding lavender's concomitant whiff of incontinent old lady, as it puts up less of a fight against the text. A laudable administrative decision! And I hear a rumour of semiprotection being restored, which, if true, would be another one. — Writegeist (talk) 19:52, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Lavendar smells of incontinent old lady? Damn, my bedroom was painted lavendar when I was a kid... No wonder no one ever wanted to have sleepovers at my house. :( ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 20:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I guess we can safely assume now that Writegeist is not an incontinent old lady. There go my illusions. :-( Ferrylodge (talk) 20:11, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

If it's any consolation I promise to continue impersonating one. — Writegeist (talk) 22:54, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough... ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 23:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

New background color is AOK. Thanks for changing it - the different perceptions may be a question of Firefox vs Explorer vs anything Mac, but now it's fine for me. And I'm glad to know we'll be back to sprot in a few days at least when this is over. I'll take a look at AN/I, but I do hope you'll take into consideration the comments by some editors who have spent a lot of time on these four articles, working together to maintain quality and neutrality, but preferring to deal with the admitted difficulties in a more open system than full protection. But in any case we're down to 5 days and I'm hoping to be in a good mood by the time Wednesday morning rolls around. Tvoz/talk 02:15, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Please unprotect these articles and seek consensus for protection rather than the other way around. The default state of articles is to be editable, and if you want to protect in mass certain articles, you ought to ask first if there is such a need. IMO, there is no need for such a draconian measure. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 02:46, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Your template says While normally any wikipedia article is open for editing by anyone, we've been forced to restrict these pages until after the election. Well, no. We have not been forced, rather, you have taken it upon yourself to do it alone. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 02:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

1.) It's not my template, I had no hand in its creation. 2.)I did not take it upon myself, it was decided during a discussion and I was the one who implemented it. In case you haven't noticed, consensus appears to currently favor protection. ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 02:58, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Where? There is no such a thing and you have made an in mass protection of articles. Where is the evidence of vamdalism that could not have been managed by us admins and other editors? Please re-read WP:PROTECTION ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 04:07, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

At the AN/I thread, haven't I said that at least three times? Look, I'm gonna be real honest with you here- I fully support your right to have an opinion and express it (and here I am addressing all the folks who have been writing to me). But don't come here, ignore every word I say, and act like I owe you something. I have spent an incredible amount of time explaining my actions, time that I really should be spending doing stuff in real life, and half the time I'm repeating myself because no one seems to actually pay attention to what I write. Seriously. ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 05:46, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, 'L'Aquatique, but pay attention to the policy, which you probably are not fully aware of. W cannot protect an article on the presumption that there may be vandalism. WP:PROTECTION cannot be used preemptively, so you need to undo the protection. Is not that difficult to see that there is no consensus emerging to bypass policy in this case. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 15:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

There is NO consensus...it was decided in a discussion PRIOR to a request to make a stand for or against...before other editors became envolved. At least 19 editors are clearly AGAINST Protection at the AN/I. At best, a similar number is FOR (if I stretch the rhelm of who gets counted)...hence NO CONSENSUS...The CONSENSUS that you claim does NOT exist!!!--Buster7 (talk) 06:11, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Please Buster7, refer to the first headline on your userpage. BLOCK CAPS DON'T HELP!!!

L'Aquatique, I am sorry this is wasting so much of your time (you, unlike me, probably have things of importance IRL that require your attention) but IMHO unprotection is the correct move at this time. If it was up to me I would keep the article protected but on principle I believe that any alterations of an article from its default state should be supported by consensus, which I can't say exists for this administrative action. I urge you to reconsider, your position is reasonable though. Just my simple thoughts. Icewedge (talk) 06:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

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Neither concensus nor policy favor this protection. Please unprotect. HiDrNick! 14:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Guys -- the election is in a couple of days. Leave the protection on, do your research, and update afterward. Do you really think Wikipedia is going to affect the election? It's not urgent! But it IS important to keep the election from jamming up Wikipedia. There are a bazillion articles to edit. Pick some of them. As for jossi... he's the one admin I wouldn't be listening to on the subject of vandalism. SkyWriter (Tim) (talk) 15:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Uh? ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 15:47, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Think back ten months to a glossary a certain admin vandalized. SkyWriter (Tim) (talk) 15:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

L'Aquatique - Just want to say that I think you made the right decision to protect. Someday I hope the rest of the community will catch up to you, and take 'do no harm' to heart regarding BLPs. Have a great weekend! Thanks, ~ priyanath ^talk 23:52, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Re. McCain and Palin reversion to semiprotection: kudos to you for this bold action. A considerable volte-face requires considerable courage, for which I thank you. Also it's good to have one's expectations confounded now and then! — Writegeist (talk) 05:52, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Jemanon

Boojum1 (talk) Hi L'Aquatique! I would really appreciate it if you restored the Jemanon page to my user thingy so that I may work on it. I actually come from that region and so I feel that wikipedia should have information on even the tiniest of places in the world. I will try my hardest to find some more reference sources so that we might restore the page. Boojum1 (talk) 17:43, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done, the page can now be found at User:Boojum1/Jemanon. If/when you decide to post it, instead of copying and pasting the contents into a new page, just click the move tab at the top of the page and move it back to Jemanon. If you have any questions about writing the article, feel free to ask me or anyone else. ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 20:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

The Politican Page Protection Thingy

I've noticed your contributes to this debacle, and there have been a lot of strong feelings on both sides. Your actions of being bold and making the move you thought was right should be commended due to your decisiveness and obviously good faith. Then when debate started regarding your call, you kept an amazingly clear head, giving equal weight to both sides. That is a truly unique ability that is desperately needed around here. Although I don't represent the community, IMO they, we, owe you thanks. If I my Wiki-fu was stronger, I'd Barn Star you. I suppose I need an active mentor, but that's a different story :) Cheers, Digital^Ninja 20:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey, you don't know how much it means to me for you to say that. The emotional climate both on-wiki and in real life seems to be extremely tense these days, and it's easy for one little well intentioned action to piss a lot of people off! (as I have learned). So, thank you for your encouragement, and while I don't have time to actively take on another adoptee if you ever need assistance with anything, you won't be turned away here. Best, ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 20:17, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		For your bold move in protecting high-traffic pages from vandalism. It was gutsy, controversial, and absolutely correct. Awarded by [ roux ] [x] as well as on behalf of DigitalNinja. 20:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey, thanks my liege! I'll pin it to my userpage as soon as I'm done writing this dumb paper about aquaculture of the seahorse h. guttulatus! ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 20:28, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

For helping us keep the piece. I really feel for the regular editors on that page, they've been dealing with this for months! It is completely exhausting. Good call, and I fully support this block. Cheers. Digital^Ninja 04:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, I intend to make good of my promise to protect the Wiki- whether it's by protection or just good old fashioned blocking. Sometimes ya have to get your hands dirty. ~ L'Aquatique[talk] 04:03, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Some assitance?

I'm going to create an article, but I want to create it in a subpage of my userpage while I work on it before posting it. However, my brain isn't responding favorably when I try and figure out how. Can you help me out? I would like a User:DigitalNinja/CZ 2075 RAMI/ page to be created. I asked someone else but they haven't responded. Sorry, I have so much to learn... Digital^Ninja 21:59, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, here's your problem.If you end the name with a slash, MediaWiki will try to look for a subpage of that page (i.e. It's expecting "User:DigitalNinja/CZ 2075 RAMI/Draft" or the like. Here's what you need to do: click this link: User:DigitalNinja/CZ 2075 RAMI and add your text then press save to create the page! If you just want to create the page for now, just throw in some placeholder text (Lorem ipsum...) or even just a couple of spaces ( ) and save, then you can come back. ~ L'Aquatique! [^talk/_stats] 22:17, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Ahhh, makes total sense! I must have Linux on the brain! Thank you! Digital^Ninja 22:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

One more thing?

Hey, if you're still around can you help me fix the citation in this section [11]? I'm really sorry to bother you, I just can't figure it out. Also, do you think this is good enough to publish yet? I feel dumb for some reason :-D Digital^Ninja 00:54, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I think I got it figured out!! Digital^Ninja 01:25, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Looks great to me, very nice work. Two suggestions: 1.) when you publish, use the move function instead of copying and pasting and 2.) nominate it at WP:DYK. ~ L'Aquatique! [^talk/_stats] 02:00, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I decided to leave a copy in my userspace for a few days just in case, so I didn't do a page move (plus, page moves scare me!). In a few days, I'll ask for my userspace copy to be deleted. Digital^Ninja 02:11, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed that. Whenever you're ready, just add {{db-u1}} to the top of the page and an admin will come along to delete it. ~ L'Aquatique! [^talk/_stats] 02:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Cities in Alaska

Can you visit Template talk:Prince of Wales-Outer Ketchikan Census Area, Alaska, where someone seems to be questioning the idea that Kasaan (a city) is really a municipality. Nyttend (talk) 04:29, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Can you handle this?

This user is on a revert rampage at Barack Obama, Wikistalking, deleting their own 3RR report (twice), and generally being no fun whatsoever. [12]. Regards, Digital^Ninja 20:39, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, someone just block him [13]. Digital^Ninja 20:41, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I'm late! In the future, you will probably get a faster response at WP:AIV. Just make sure to mention that it's happening on a probation page. ~ L'Aquatique! [^talk/_stats] 20:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

FYI

User_talk:Raul654#Protection_of_candidate_bios.--chaser - t 23:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Candidate article's protection status, some confusion probably on my part

Earlier today I changed McCain's article to semi, to match Obama's after this discussion [14] (actually quite a while after I said I would). What I didn't know (and I wasn't the only one) was that both articles were supposed to be protected today - which would have been my preference in fact, but this is the first time I've come across a situation with such major BLP articles. Sorry if that caused any problems, but it didn't seem reasonable to have one semiprotected and the other fully protected. dougweller (talk) 16:25, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Following up speedy deletes with username blocks

I disagree with your message. When I removed harmless usernames such as "Kazanovac" from UAA, it was fully intentional.

Think for a moment about how this works when usernames aren't involved. When someone makes a promotional article, they should get warned and the article speedy deleted. They don't get blocked, typically, unless it's really blatant abuse of Wikipedia or a repeat offense.

If they have an otherwise unidentifiable name, like "Kazanovac", that matches the article that got deleted... what's the big deal? Why do we need to rush to protect Wikipedia from the name "Kazanovac"? Escalating the speedy deletion into a block is unnecessary, it confuses usernames with behavior, and it's actively against the interests of Wikipedia:

• If the user was a typical newbie who just doesn't get what Wikipedia is for yet -- like most newbies -- the block is quite harsh and drives them away.
• If the user is actually a spammer who intends to keep self-promoting, we're just asking them to hide it better next time.

This has been discussed a lot on WT:U, the talk page for the username policy that UAA's purpose is to enforce. I don't think you've been involved there so far. Yes, some people see this issue differently than others. Perhaps you should get the discussion going again -- it could be a better way to communicate than a curt, template-ish warning. rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 09:56, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I here by award you with this Barnstar

For your contributions and solid articles. Danger^Mouse (talk) 06:50, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

re: that story

Isn't that insane!? Yeah, basically I spent a good hour during my lunch break at work trying to find a good article to make my wtf section. That article totally won! Freaked me out... Digital^Ninja 02:13, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Your civility warning

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Thank you for trying to keep things civil on the Obama talk page. It looks bad though when you single out the editor that has been one of the calmest people during the debate. The comment you warned him about was a response to being cursed and yelled at in bold and all caps by an admin. Same admin told him he could not find his nose in front of his face. Two or three other editors right there in the same area were far more uncivil. Why is it you only singled out LEDrush? Landon1980 (talk) 13:56, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I did not single him out. Looking through the conversation I saw a clear consensus, an editor frustrated that there was still argument despite said clear consensus (i did not and still do not see any real incivility on jd's part) and another editor being passive agressive. Who do you think I'm gonna warn? L'Aquatique[talk] 15:29, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

So screaming in all caps and bold while cursing is civil? Telling someone they do not have the mental ability to find their nose in front of their face is civil? Asking someone how many times and in how many ways must they be told something before it will sink in is civil? I can go on and on, is calling someone insane civil? Is saying there commenst are "bullshit" civil? How many more examples do you need? I'll give you diffs if you doubt any of these. Landon1980 (talk) 15:49, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, please give me diffs. I stepped on my glasses a while back and have been going without thinking that my vision wasn't that bad... I guess it is because I am not seeing this screaming and cursing you are talking about. Rest assured that given proof that such a thing is happening, I will absolutely warn/take action against anyone who engages in such inappropriate behavior. Realize here that I can only react to behaviors I am aware of, and I do not see J.Delanoy screaming and cursing at anyone. L'Aquatique[talk] 16:20, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok, give me a minute. Landon1980 (talk) 16:28, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Kee dokie. L'Aquatique[talk] 16:34, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

For starters, [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] This user inparticular has had nothing constructive to say, they only complain about how others are discussing it, and just see the contribs for several uncivil remarks. There are many many more, but I simply don't care to spend the time digging throught the diffs so at best they are told to be civil. Landon1980 (talk) 16:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

[unindent] Well, I don't see cursing and outright insults, but what I do see is somewhat worrying, and I really would expect a fellow admin to be somewhat less short-tempered. I need to run and grab something for breakfast, but I will take this up with him as soon as I return. L'Aquatique[talk] 17:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I will bold the curses in my examples below for you. For the record, I don't mind cursing per se (and am not religious so using those curses don't bother me) but I don't like them thrown at me while I am trying to have a polite conversation.LedRush (talk) 17:25, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, the cursing I couldn't care less about. However, when I'm doing my best to remain civil (and was very civil) and trying my hardest to express my thought sand concerns I don't appreciate being told I am "randomly babbling." He directly told me that I was not capable of seeing my nose in front of my face. Those "people" were Ledrush and I and he made that clear. The comment was directly under mine and he made it no secret he was referring to us. If I were to have behaved in the same manner (on an article that is on probation) might I add I would have been blocked to prevent disruption. What do you think JD would have said, if while he was politely discussing an issue with me, I told him he was randomly babbling and that he did not have the mental ability to see his nose in front of his face? In the past two days I have been called stupid, foolish, prick, and several other derogatory terms. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but I do like to be treated with respect. I just don't like the idea of a double standard regarding this kind of thing. I can clearly see that you do not, but I feel others do. The same editors that warned me for extremely mild incivility completely ignored the fact I was been provoked by comments that were far more uncivil. PS. I'm sorry for harping and complaining about this to you. I don't expect you to chase down all the issues I mentioned; I'm just a little frustrated that's all. Landon1980 (talk) 17:21, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, there often is a double standard and there is usually very little a person directly involved in it can do. As for myself, I see both sides here: it is extremely frustrating when a person does not feel that they are being listened to, and you have to understand here that this is an issue that really has been beaten to death over the last few weeks- you guys are actually the most recent in a long chain of people making essentially the same argument and it can be difficult for the people on the other end to separate out individuals- they're feeling stressed because they're repeating the same thing over and over, and they forget that each time it's a different person- it all sort of blurs together and you end up feeling like you're fighting a single unified force instead of a succession of people who are coming to the same conclusion independently, unaware that it's already been decided weeks ago. However, while I feel their frustration (and in fact I agree with their general premise), I do see in the diffs that the behavior has crossed a line into unacceptable and I will be discussing this with J.Delanoy just as soon as I'm finished writing this to you. I can tell from his edit summaries that he was not in a good place when he wrote some of that stuff, but I should expect an experienced editor would know when to walk away rather than become uncivil.

Realize that I am not actually letting you off the hook here, although I see that some of the comments made by Ledrush that I took out of context to be passive aggressive (i.e. I did not know that JD had previously mentioned his schoolwork) actually aren't as bad as I thought now that I've seen what he was responding to. That being said, you [both of you] are still not the victims here. You need to realize that in a discussion, repeating the same argument over and over again does not make it true, and the very definition of tendentious editing is an editor who continues to question consensus on a technicality after it has been clearly decided, which seems to have happened here. Although sometimes it is difficult to accept, this sort of situation is usually indicative that your viewpoints are in the minority and maybe you should move on.

As for me (like anyone cares about me) I'm just upset that the "plastic cup" I got with my breakfast, made of corn, apparently (I live in the "San Francisco of Alaska"- so of course everyone only has non-petroleum based stuff), seems to be melting onto my desk. Biodegradable products only work if they, well, work I guess. L'Aquatique[talk] 17:50, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

L'Aquatique...I have been a contributor on the Obama page for a long time, usually arguing with consensus against adding things to the article that were not intended to make it better. People should be able to separate the previous discussions from the current.

Also, I do not believe that consensus has been reached or that we have engaged in tendentious editing. There is a proposal on the table now which supports my view of the situation, as does the history of the discussion before the straw poll (which I feel was designed to get the "regulars" to respond quickly and overwhelmingly. I can see how you would mistakenly believe consensus was reached just by looking at the straw poll, but I believe that is also a manifestation of the "wolf pack" mentality that has pervade this article. I admit that I bare some responsibility for this as I often stayed silent as the pack argued against positions I disagreed with using these same unfair tactics (which, in fact, might have been necessary to defend the article from aggressive editors during an election.)

Anyway, I appreciate you taking the time to at least listed to Landon and I, even if we don't agree. If that had happened on the Obama page, I doubt any of this would be happening.LedRush (talk) 18:00, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

your civility warning (2)

I will assume that you are not deliberately ignnoring the horribly uncivil behavior against Landon and I, but I feel your warning to me was completely unwarranted. I made my "passive agressive" comments to people who type in caps, bold, swear, and insult. I have not done these things myself, instead reminding people to keep their heads. I believe that not only is this not civil, it is the duty of Wikipedia editors to ensure conversations don't degenerate. Once Landon shows you the diffs, I would appreciate an apology, or at least an adequate explaination. It is disheartening to come into discussions with an idea and not be given a civil opportunity to present it. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but I do expect people to listen and respond to the points honestly.LedRush (talk) 16:53, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I do not believe an apology is exactly warranted here: your remarks were out of line and my calling you on them was appropriate, as much as I can tell. Bad behavior on others' part, no matter who or where they may be, does not give an excuse to display bad behavior in response. That said, if the claims made by Landon and yourself are true, which I expect they will be (at least to some degree), then I do owe you a thanks for at least attempting to remain civil when others around you do not- an admirable behavior and one which I know from experience can be very taxing. You have my word that given evidence I will confront the others on their behaviors. Insults such as the ones you have described cannot go unnoticed, especially from an admin who should know better. If nothing else, I make a strong attempt to be fair. L'Aquatique[talk] 17:01, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your gracious response. I feel that your warning may have been appropriate if they hadn't engaged in bad behavior because telling people not to engage in bad behavior when they haven't is borderline uncivil. However, as the evidence below clearly shows, my warning to them were not a passive aggressive attack or an unwarranted warning. They were polite responses and calls to remain civil in light of the circumstances.LedRush (talk) 17:19, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Also, I'd like to point out that your accusation towards me being borderline uncivil (because of passive aggressive statement) could be interpreted to be borderline uncivil itself for the same reason. You have since admitted that my comments that prompted your response weren't passive aggressive or uncivil, so it would be natural for me to see it that way as well. If we take that as a starting point, your warning to me could be seen as passive aggressive and uncivil. I now understand your mistake, but thought it worth pointing out that you are also part of the double standard you've conceded exists. I don't mean these statements to be as accusatory as they may seem, but I thought them worth mentioning. (also, sorry for dominating your talk page...hopefully you can quickly archive this)LedRush (talk) 18:52, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

There are too many comments to do diffs well, so here are some cut and pasted examples (with some sections deleted for brevity):

If Landon and Led would actually read what my poll was for, it would greatly aid everything. I wanted to know what people thought that FIRST FEW SENTENCES SHOULD SAY. I did not mention any of the rest of the article, or even the rest of the lead. Jesus, if you would stop assuming what I am saying and actually READ it, none of this last 20 or 30 KB of text would have been necessary. ... I also note that you inexplicably refuse to voice your opinion in the straw poll, instead continuing on and on with your random babbling. J.delanoygabsadds 03:08, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh please Landon, the "I'm the victim" ploy is bullshit. Grsz11 →Review! 04:21, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

You are damn right I have a short temper. Especially when, at midnight, in the middle of trying to do three assignments for college, I am dealing with people who can't see their nose in front of their faces. For crying out loud. How many times, and in how may ways do we have to tell you that your opinion is just that: your opinion, and that it is overwhelmingly obvious that the majority of editors do not agree with you? J.delanoygabsadds 04:37, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

And don't give me the whole "remain civil" crap. According to Merriam-Webster's online dictionary: "civil often suggests little more than the avoidance of overt rudeness <owed the questioner a civil reply>". Please. If I was really uncivil, believe me, you would know it. J.delanoygabsadds 04:41, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Consensus surely can change, that is what the is what the poll is asking. Oh, my god. Why can't you get this through your head? ... I am assuming bad faith here, but I would be willing to lay good money that if the straw poll was going your way, you would be trumpeting the consensus that has been achieved. ... Why won't you just drop it? J.delanoygabsadds 03:14, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Landon, you cried for a discussion and now that it happened it's "not accurate"? What more do you want man? Grsz11 →Review! 03:18, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

[end]LedRush (talk) 17:19, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Whoa, firstly, please don't put statements /before/ previously posted statements, it makes them incredibly difficult to find. Secondly, while I concede that you have the right to your opinion, I hope you realize that I've spent the last hour- time I should have been using to work on classwork and other real life stuff- sitting here trying to work this out with you two and now discussing it with J.Delanoy- who, if you'll notice, has now struck the offending comments. I really honestly do not believe I am part of the problem. But, as I said, you have the right to think what you want. L'Aquatique[talk] 18:57, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Now it is my turn to apologize. I put the comments before the quoted sections for simplicity and ease (keeping the conversation together without the extra junk). I am sorry you didn't find it helpful.

I didn't mean to say that you are a problem. I only meant to voice my opinion that you, too, have demonstrated a double standard with how you've handled JD and I. You made a bad assumption about me and warned me publicly, as it turns out for comments that did not contain the meaning you assigned them (and consequently made the type of statement that you had chided me for). However, to the instigator and the uncivil party you discreetly mentioned the issue on his talk page in incredibly mild language. This is, of course, natural. You have a good relationship with him and know him to be a good editor, while, despite my long history on the Obama article, you have no such relationship or opinion of me.

I really appreciate the time you've spent on this, which I will readily concede has been too long already. While perhaps I am not expressing this well enough in my posts, I feel much better about the situation, and Wikipedia, than I did last night, and you are largely responsible for this.LedRush (talk) 19:09, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

For what it is worth, I believe that I am the primary driver behind this problem. My conduct was unacceptable, and I believe that since I, an administrator, was behaving the way I was, I encouraged other users to assume bad faith and make snarky comments. I apologize for sowing discord, and I will not likely make any more comments in that discussion, since it has become too personal (for me at least) for some reason. J.delanoy^gabs_adds 19:11, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

JD, it is incredibly gracious of you to post that here. On a board like this, on an article that has seen so much temper-flare in the past months, it is entirely expected that some comments will cross the line.

For my part, I need to fight the need I have to ensure that all of my arguments are at least heard and properly characterized. This makes me often post on topics too often (as I have done here and the Obama discussion page). This understandably pissed people off and makes them believe I am just posting again and again until I get my way.

If I could make my positions and intent more clear, and remain more civil, a lot of this could also be avoided.

Again, thank you for your comments.LedRush (talk) 19:18, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate that you took the time to deal with this, and I am happy with the results. JD handled the situation with class and you could tell he was genuine and sincere in his apology. Not that I'm all that valuable of a contributor anyways, but the double standard around here causes me to lose a lot of faith in the project. Compare the comments that lead to this discussion with one another, then compare your tone and how you handeled it. Here is how you handled the far less uncivil comment that was a response to something much more uncivil.

"I strongly suggest you [LedRush] tone it down a notch. Your comments are borderline uncivil, but more than that they are not conducive to discussion. Take a tea break or something. L'Aquatique[talk] 07:59, 11 November 2008 (UTC)"

Now here

"tsk tsk, now JD, don't curse at people and tell them they can't find their nose (even if it's true)." You even made sure to tell him he was right, and that you agreed with him. You even said that you didn't know if you could apologize to us like he did on this talk page.

Enough said I think, and I believe I have made my point. Landon1980 (talk) 19:58, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I believe you have. Next time you quote me, don't put words in my mouth. End of story. L'Aquatique[talk] 02:36, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Which words did I put in your mouth exactly? You said tsk tsk, you told him you agreed with him, and you said "even if it's true" suggesting that even though I couldn't see my nose he shouldn't tell me that. The far less uncivil editor you used a much harsher tone such as "strongly suggest" you started the other with "Hope this finds you well" you described the comment that really wasn't uncivil at all as "borderline uncivil" the other you described as "unecessarily bitey." You even told him that you doubted you could apologize to us. Whether you will admit to it or not, you were not fair and did not treat the two editor's with equal respect. You were a bit uncivil yourself in your initial warning to LedRush. You could have politely told him to try and be as civil as possible, nevermind the fact he was being extremely civil under the circumstances. His comment was directly under those comments of JD's, yet you single out LedRush like that? I have a hard time believing you did not see JD's comments. If LedRush's attitude was hindering discussion then without a doubt JD's comments was exterminating it. Nothing productive will ever come of discussing this, you said you tried to be fair so I pointed out your unfairness. Landon1980 (talk) 04:29, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay. I spend a good part of my day being an advocate for you, and the response is that I'm being unfair. That's fine. You can think what you want, I really couldn't care less. But I'm archiving this discussion, no further good can come of it. L'Aquatique[talk] 06:42, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

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See User_talk:Euqueria, User_talk:Rocco15FN, User_talk:Cfrisemo, User_talk:Saloob. See contributions for spamming articles related to Spreed - I added a speedy delete tag (Blatant advertising) - Also no 3rd party references, bragging, unreferenced facts, a primary reference they provided does not refer to them or their product. Also delete as per WP:V and WP:N. Single focus contribs by all (4) sockpuppets. As an admin that has been involved with a speedy deletes I thought i'd post this to your attention. - Cheers - DustyRain (talk) 21:50, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Yet another user "reopening" the Acorn AN/I sock discussion

Not sure what the rules here are. Noroton a multiply banned POV warrior with the same views as the recently banned group of socks, has returned to the encyclopedia for the first time in a month (he said he was "retiring" after his 7th block, in mid-octomber) and reopened the closed discussion on this matter for a variety of long-winded and tedious reasons. My inclination is just to delete his comments and reclose, but i'm not an admin and have been an involved party. So, if you get this and are inclined to take a look, would be grateful.Bali ultimate (talk) 22:08, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

For no particular reason!

A gezunt in zayn pupik. :) X MarX the Spot (talk) 09:58, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Uh, thanks. L'Aquatique[talk] 09:37, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Picture Request

L'Aquatique, are you geographically located such that you could take a photograph or two to illustrate Wasilla Assembly of God? Thanks, Jclemens (talk) 05:40, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, it would be about a $800 flight out of the bush for me to get there! So... no, sorry. You should try one of these folks: Category:Wikipedians in Anchorage, Alaska, they're quite a bit closer. L'Aquatique[talk] 06:11, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Egch. So, you edit Wikipedia because there's nothing else to do out there, eh? :-) Out of curiosity, which part? I grew up in Juneau. At any rate, thanks for the pointers. Jclemens (talk) 06:15, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Juneau, actually. I didn't know you were Alaskan- I usually only describe Juneau as bush to outsiders because they hear that I live in a city and think it's not remote. As you well know- there's no roads out so we might as well be in the bush. Where in Juneau did you grow up? I live in Lemon Creek right now, trying to find an affordable place downtown. L'Aquatique[talk] 06:18, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Too funny. When I think "bush" I think places like Whale Pass. I grew up in the valley, left in 1993 in search of adventure. Was just there in August for my mom's birthday. Jclemens (talk) 06:22, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

I usually think Bethel, Barrow, Adak, etc. Juneau doesn't make the list, really! But people who've never been to Alaska don't get the idea of being off the road system, like what that means, you know?

I always think it's funny- people from Alaska leave in search of adventure, and other people come here in search of adventure. Me, I'm not in it for the adventure, I'm just like it here. It's quiet, especially in the winter. L'Aquatique[talk] 06:31, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, if I was completely honest, I suppose I could say I left in search of a job that didn't involve working for the state and/or selling trinkets to tourists, or that I was looking for better selection in women... both would be at least as accurate as saying I left in search of adventure, but I rarely do anything for just one reason. I didn't make it too far--I'm in Washington now. And yeah, Alaska is something that many people just don't "get"--I had to explain the Alaska Independence Party to quite a few people during the campaign. Jclemens (talk) 06:37, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

All good reasons! I don't think I could live outside of the Northwest, unless I left the country. I'd like to go to British Columbia, or maybe New Zealand. L'Aquatique[talk] 06:48, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Parts of Maine are nice, too. It's not Alaska, but it's still nice. :-) Jclemens (talk) 17:53, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

NPW

Hey, I was just curious if you could help me with this. I've had the request up for a weeks and nobody seems want to mess with me I suppose :)

Anyways, I was doing some article patrolling and just realizing how much of a pain it is to manually type in the template code, leave a message for the user, welcome the user if they're new, etc. It would be cool to automate the process.

Anyways, if I don't qualify for some reason, that's ok too. I just really would like to know one way or the other. Thanks! Digital^NinjaWTF 07:23, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Taken care of. The thing with NPW permissions is since it's not part of rfperms it's not usually watched. Sometimes you've gotta just hunt down an admin and poke 'em with a stick a few times. Let me know if you have any problems. L'Aquatique[talk] 07:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! You're the best. Now, get to bed! Digital^NinjaWTF 07:39, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

It's only 10:30, mooooom. I still have a paper to write. L'Aquatique[talk] 07:41, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Rollback

Would you consider giving me permission for rollback? HairyPerry 17:52, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

I have a lot of vandal reverts and a lot of warnings given out as well, using the undo feature and putting revert of vandalism on the edit summary, but back to your comments. I have already tried to install twinkle and huggle in monobook and neiter one of them did anything so yeah thats where I stand, I don't think its right not to give me rollback by the way. But hey its the admins decision, not mine, I guess I'll be patient. HairyPerry 13:49, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, you can't install huggle in your monobook, it's an application. However, twinkle should work as long as you are installing it in the right monobook (there's two). You should be placing this text: importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js'); in your monobook.js. I'm going to try to install it for you, I want you to let me know if, after purging your cache, it works for you. If it doesn't, I would like to know what browser and operating system you are using and we'll go from there. L'Aquatique[talk] 20:51, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Mmmkay, it's installed. You had some weird stuff in your monobook, I'm rather surprised you weren't having more problems with your user interface. See if it works now. L'Aquatique[talk] 20:57, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

I didn't know what I was doing and I don't see anything extra so, I don't think it worked, ain't I supossed to have an extra tab or something? How do you even know? I don't know if its working or not because I don't know how to work it. HairyPerry 13:24, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

You should have one or two extra tabs at the top, yes. What browser and operating system are you using? L'Aquatique[talk] 21:35, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

I told you I use IE so I'm probably not going to get anything. HairyPerry 00:46, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, you didn't tell me you were using I.E. Firefox is a free download,it takes literally like five minutes to get it and it works thousands of times better than IE. You really should use it. If for some reason you cannot install it, you should get at least some functionality by clicking the "Preferences" link up in the corner of your window with your login information, then "gadgets", and then scroll all the way down to the bottom of the list and checking the first box in the "Library and compatibility gadgets" subheader. Save the page, purge your cache, and let me know if anything changes. L'Aquatique[talk] 20:09, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Well sorry I use I.E. and I'm on a school computer, so yeah I can't install Firefox and I'll try whatever you just said and see what happens and message you later. HairyPerry 13:24, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok I did it, now what was that supossed to do? HairyPerry 15:22, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

When you're viewing this page, see if there's an extra tab that says "warn". L'Aquatique[talk] 17:15, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

No nothing, I don't know, if I can't get nothing I can't ever be the vandal fighter I want to be. I'll just be patient and wait for things to come along. HairyPerry 17:47, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Article you might like to help me with, or else…

See Felix Pedro. — CharlotteWebb 12:59, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey

Dear L'Aquatique, how is your life going? It has been a long time since we last talked! AdjustShift (talk) 14:59, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

It's going pretty well. Writing essays, reading textbooks, you know- the usual! L'Aquatique[talk] 07:01, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I find this !vote interesting. Finally we have the Alaskan cabal! :-) AdjustShift (talk) 09:25, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, it seems the cabal was brought forth into existence when I was sysopped, hopefully it will gain in power once Mizu also gets the bit... (muahahaha) L'Aquatique[talk] 09:42, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

If you're going to block an IP

at least get it right. I am *not* "Suave.sean" 75.168.214.145 (talk) 23:13, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Uh huh, you only come from the same IP range, post the same exact messages, and edit the same pages. I was not born yesterday, you know. L'Aquatique[talk] 23:34, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

You may not have been born yesterday, but you are incompetent. A net block can have *many* users. Again, so that it will sink in: I am *not* "Suave.sean". 75.168.220.28 (talk) 00:05, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm incompetent? You're a sockpuppet who is repeatedly identifying yourself to someone with the ability to shut you down? I got nothing on you, buddy. L'Aquatique[talk] 00:08, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Don't be so full of yourself, WikiBureacrat. 75.168.209.210 (talk) 03:42, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I really don't think you're in a position to be ordering other people around... but by all means continue. This is gets more amusing every time I block you. L'Aquatique[talk] 07:21, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

The most pathetic aspect of this is that you think I'm some user called Suave.sean, and other WikiBureacrats apparently have joined in and believe this also the case. I am *NOT* "Suave.sean". This is a great example of Wikipedia group think. 75.168.217.240 (talk) 13:36, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

"another Sauve.sean sock"?? You *are* incompetent. 75.168.213.117 (talk) 04:19, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Do you have another name you prefer? L'Aquatique[talk] 05:14, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Nope. Just stop blaming the wrong guy. "Sauve.sean", whoever he is, is *definitely* not me. 75.168.209.32 (talk) 13:24, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: users with Screen readers

Okey dokes. I'll be happy to help. Graham87 23:28, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Cool. The more the merrier, I guess ... if they learn enough, they'll be able to help other new screen reader users and so on. Graham87 01:48, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Gender of God

Somehow the intensity reminds me of Proposition 8 on the news... SkyWriter (Tim) (talk) 13:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't watch the news for exactly that reason. It's fricking depressing... L'Aquatique[talk] 18:09, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Alastair Haines

I have reset his block to 48 hours within a few minutes ago because he continued to abuse his talk page editing priveleges and removing anything left by you or myself to that page. His block prevents him from editing his own talk page for the next 48 hours.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:45, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, apparently he had decided to "ban" us from his talk page. *sigh* Thanks for handling this. L'Aquatique[talk] 21:08, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Where does it say that? I must have missed it in replacing everything we've said.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:11, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

If anything needs to be discussed with me, L'Aquatique simply doesn't have to be the one to do it. In fact, she doesn't discuss, she demands, and things that are contrary to policy. It's not helpful for Wiki or for her to be involved. I've got no problem with her, and I'd like her to change. But there's simply no need to work together if she can't bring herself to do it. So I am imposing a ban on L'Aquatique at my talk page. Surely there are better things for her to do than hang around my page anyway, I'm not taking anything from her or from Wiki to do it. If she'd like things to change, she can e-mail me any time, and I'll welcome her with open arms. Alastair Haines (talk) 10:32, 22 November 2008 (UTC) L'Aquatique[talk] 21:20, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Ah, yes. I see that on his page now.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:27, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I have initiated a request to amend the Alastair, hoping to introduce some new measures which will prevent further flare ups. --John Vandenberg ^(chat) 01:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

My thankspam template

Oh, did I neglect to mention that I want to thank everyone for participating? So, I'd like it to say something like "thanks to everyone who !voted, commented, or otherwise participated regardless of your stance". Thanks! —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 23:14, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Love and DTTR!

Ouch! You've used a template to send a message to an experienced editor. Please review the essay Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars or maybe listen to a little advice. Doesn't this feel cold, impersonal, and canned? It's meant in good humour. Best wishes. User:L'Aquatique (talk) 01:21, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

For the lulz. 67.58.119.227 (talk) 08:12, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

CURSES!!! You caught me! L'Aquatique[talk] 08:14, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous strikes again! Damn you Scientologists! Attracting this vandalism to LAqua's usertalk! Neuro√Logic 08:24, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Good news, the whois on that IP provides enough information to track down the hooligan! I'm off to his house with a pitchfork now! L'Aquatique[talk] 08:27, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Rose star

I LOVE that rose star you made for Mizu. So I've +sysoped the first Alaskan admin and nom'd the second one. Do I have a corner on the Alaskan cabal now? ;-) — Rlevse • Talk • 19:04, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Lol. —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 19:06, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Uh, yeah, you are now an official Alaskan-at-heart! L'Aquatique[talk] 20:59, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

You get your design back!

Thank you to all who participated in my RFA- regardless of whether you supported or opposed, all feedback is important to me. I look forward to proving in the coming months that the trust placed in me by the community is not misplaced. Mizu onna sango15

The Barnstar | My RFA | Design by L'Aquatique

		The Mizu onna sango15 Barnstar
		Thank you to all who participated in my RFA- regardless of whether you supported or opposed, all feedback is important to me. I look forward to proving in the coming months that the trust placed in me by the community is not misplaced. —Mizu onna sango15Hello!

Mizu's thankspam

That is one hell of an RfA spam, I won't even archive it :P What font is that, anyway? — neuro^(talk) 19:16, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Um, lemme see... it's Pea Carrie Script- a freeware font. L'Aquatique[talk] 20:55, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

What do you charge for such designs? (In the off chance I might ever need one, that is) :-) Jclemens (talk) 21:05, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I think the only fault in the template design is the teeny-tiny "design by L'Aquatique" at the bottom. Now everyone comes to my talk page saying, "I love the barnstar you designed! You did a great job on it!" :-) The credit all goes to you. —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 21:07, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

It's fine! You survived RFA (which I know from experience is stressful!), you deserve all the credit right this minute!

Jclemens: well, in real life I'm makin 9 bucks an hour as a production manager for a newspaper (the same salary as the reporters, I might mention!!!) and I do some freelance graphic design work on the side. If you need a Wikipedia related graphic, just ask and I'll get to it as soon as I can. L'Aquatique[talk] 21:10, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't happen to be the Capital City Weekly, would it? :-) Jclemens (talk) 21:15, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Haha!! I intern for them on the weekends, but no, it's the University newspaper. Did you work for Cap City? L'Aquatique[talk] 21:18, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Ah, the Whalesong... No, never worked for CCW but I had friends who did. It was a pretty shoestring operation in those days, and I suspect it still is. :-) Jclemens (talk) 21:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, not so much. It's owned by the Empire now, so there's a bit more cash flow. L'Aquatique[talk] 21:22, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Just in case I ever get around to submitting an RfA (which won't be any time soon, anyway), I am going to start work on a nice spam template that hopefully will rival yours by the end (shame, it won't, though :P)! Great job once again. :) — neuro^(talk) 01:04, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

[unindent]It might... considering that that was only like a half-hour of work, I think if you start on it now you'll be able to come up with something better! L'Aquatique[talk] 01:52, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Graphics barnstar

		The Graphic Designer's Barnstar
		This is for your fantastically designed barnstar, the message on your rfa (I thought it was brilliant, wish i could do that!) and becoming an admin. Congrats! Andy (talk) 20:59, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

— Rlevse • Talk • 23:15, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Lol! It's not really addressed to me, but I'll take what I can get. ;) L'Aquatique[talk] 23:19, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Jclemens

I am pretty sure he's not Alaskan, or at least doesn't live there currently. Maybe he grew up there or something. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:27, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

He grew up in the same town as me, in Alaska. L'Aquatique[talk] 23:29, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

(ec) That is correct, and L'Aquatique knows it. Being an Alaskan is kind of like being in the United States Marine Corps, though. Just because I haven't been eligible for an Alaska Permanent Fund dividend check in years doesn't mean I'm no longer an Alaskan at heart. One doesn't have to be too creative with Google to find out my real life identity; the reason for that is left as an exercise to the Googler. Jclemens (talk) 23:32, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

It's true. You never cease being Alaskan, at least until you run for senate... L'Aquatique[talk] 23:35, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

...or Vice President. ;-) —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 16:16, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Naah. Palin was too Alaskan to win. :-) Jclemens (talk) 17:39, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar/RfA thanks

Awesome design! Perhaps the most spectacularly looking RfA thanks I've ever received! Well done! Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 00:30, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! L'Aquatique[talk] 01:52, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome; and I just noticed that signing this talk page has an additional quotation than usual. Wow! More creative/internet savy or whatever than I am! Best, --A Nobody^{My talk} 02:51, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Ah yes, that's an edit notice. I can set one up for your talk page if you would like. L'Aquatique[talk] 05:18, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

RfA Thanks

This is the most beautiful RfA thanks I've ever received! You are awesome and your design is awesome. Have a nice day. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 08:30, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Graphic Designer's Barnstar
		He, he, thought I would give it to you in person! For your fantastical graphic skills, wish I could do that, would it be possbile for you to teach me, it would be greatly appreciated. Andy (talk) 10:16, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Sigh

Blocky stuff is a hassle..I appreciate you did ask another admin's view before blocking, which was a wise move and I respect that, but I do think in these cases that even the semblance of a COI can be sorta icky..I did think about it and the thing I came up with is that if it was blockable (and it was a clear arb violation), then someone else was/is/would have no problem with blocking. But nevermind, there was never going to be an easy outcome and I can see plenty ,more fun and games ahead (well, hopefully not but YKWIM..) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Why I deleted your page

It's times like this I really wish I had one of those Q&A things! A lot of people are already really unhappy that I speedied their attack page, or deleted their prod, but it would be nice if I had some place to direct them to. If I give you credit, can I borrow your Q&A sheet? —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 16:25, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Sure, go for it. It's licensed under the GFDL! L'Aquatique[talk] 20:43, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.

On a more disappointing note, I received a notification on my talk page about this, and I thought you might be interested. Cheers, —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 03:38, 30 November 2008 (UTC).

Thanks

Thanks for processing the recovery to my account. Message from XENU^{u, t} 19:07, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey, no problem! You're very lucky that you had an identity key- I shared your story with some Wikibuddies (didn't mention your username)and inspired them all to get identity keys too- and to update mine! L'Aquatique[talk] 20:47, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I heard from somewhere it's a good idea to do, and since I use lots of public terminals, I thought I'd be a good idea too. Message from XENU^{u, t} 12:28, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Mamma mia!!!

Here, have an Italian amaretto cookie for your time spent trying to fix a grammatical incorrectness that bugged you on my userpage. ;-)

Buon appetito e tanti saluti!

SoWhy

Ahem.

Hello there, L'Aquatique! Today's your lucky day, because you have new messages at L'Aquatique's talk page. Creepy grinning smilie You can remove this notice at any time by removing this template.

Clear vandalism is clear, block Roux! Muahahahaha! >:) Neuro√Logic 15:16, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

That is too funny... I should add a blink element or something, make the whole thing flash. Yay for giving everyone seizures!! L'Aquatique[talk] 17:24, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

That is amazing, I agree. Make a blinky gif thing oh-graphic-goddess! Neuro√Logic 23:03, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

er...

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of ships - Did you even read this AFD? Why was it closed as delete? I encourage you to take extra time when rapidly closing AFDs via scripts and remember that we shouldn't be counting votes, but reading the discussion and judging the consensus. - Rjd0060 (talk) 19:44, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

As a matter of fact I did read the discussion and I believe the consensus was delete. However, the point is moot as it seems it has been recreated as, essentially, as a disambiguation page. You are free to take it to deletion review if you want it restored to the pre-deleted state. L'Aquatique[talk] 21:08, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I also challenge your interpretation of the alleged consensus. Why not take it yourself to deletion review? Fiddle Faddle (talk) 22:39, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Because I believe I made the right interpretation of the discussion? L'Aquatique[talk] 23:53, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for List of ships

An editor has asked for a deletion review of List of ships. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedy-deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 22:53, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Priorities

Can you send me your recipe for pumpkin cookies? I have a great recipe for dairy-free pumpkin pie, totally delish (want it?) - but I always have extra pumpkin. I have email enabled - would appreciate it! Thanks Tvoz/talk 06:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, gotta dig it out. Gimme a sec, kk? ;) L'Aquatique[talk] 07:16, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar!

		The Special Barnstar
		For helping me fix up my signature! Vandalism Destroyer 09:33, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

More barnstar!

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		For teaching me how to sign "Love suicide dead." :P Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :D 10:30, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Yup, that's what I call a life skill right there... L'Aquatique[talk] 10:44, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Here's something you can go to town with...an award for restoring old Featured Content

I liked the Image:Flaming-wiki.jpg that debivort did so much, I thought another interpretation would be cool. I think it would be great to have an award for resurrecting or reviving old Featured Content, or the Brilliant Prose category that preceded it August 15 2001.

Now, where one could really go to town is how to alter a gold, silver or bronze wiki-jigsaw piece - or heck, even a barnstar of some shape or form, or whatever,

cobwebs, resurrected zombie-style, lichen encrusted, 1950s 'back to the future' kitsch, 19th century look, be creative/surprise me ;). Anything that captures the idea of revival/spring cleaning/resurrection etc. Was impressed by the pretty thankspam above and thought...hey....you may really like to make a stamp on things. There are a few unsung heroes who have slogged away at WP:FAR for quite a while I kinda thought it would be good to have a nifty lookin' award for...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

All right... I'd love to give it a try. Give me, hmm, maybe a week to get it really right? I may upload proofs for you to look at and decide what you like and do not like. L'Aquatique[talk] 11:51, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Heck, yer opinion is just as important as mine XD take your time and have some fun with it as I have lots going on...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:47, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

List of Charvet customers

Hi! Further to your closing the Afd for "no consensus", I shall try to merge a substantial part of the content in the main article. This will result - for a few days - in overlap of the two pages. Hopefully, I will receive feed back from other editors to help decide on the cost/benefit of the merge vs keep. Just thought it was better to inform you before. Thanks Racconish (talk) 16:04, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

No problemo. You might want to place an {{Under construction}} template on each of the pages to notify other users of what's going on so they don't get confused. L'Aquatique[talk] 21:31, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Done. Thanks, Racconish (talk) 21:38, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Merge done. I placed a request for speedy deletion on top of List of Charvet customers. Xould you please take care of it or let me know if there is a problem? Thanks Racconish (talk) 18:11, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, in this case it's better to redirect, because the page has a history there could be a GFDL violation in deleting it. So, I redirected the page to Charvet Place Vendôme. Let me know if you need anything else. L'Aquatique[talk] 18:16, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Since everyone else is doing it...

		The Excellent Userpage Award
		For your AMAAAAAZING userpage, and willingness to help me out with mine, not to mention building mine as well. You rock, oh mistress of graphical goodness! Neuro√Logic 02:08, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Plus, everyone else is doing it. It's like drinking, or pot smoking, peer pressure ftw! Neuro√Logic 02:08, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Lol, are you comparing giving me awards to consuming addictive substances? Thank you, though! Also thank you for convincing me to try Ubuntu- like it so far! L'Aquatique[talk] 06:32, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Just passing by...

...and thought I'd see how you were doing. It would seem well and I'm glad. Take good care of yourself! -Rushyo ^Talk 22:51, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Jclemens RfA

Jclemens' RfA Thankspam

		JClemens' RfA Thanks
		Thank you for participating in my Request for Adminship, which passed with 77 supporting and 2 opposing. Regardless of your position, I thank you for the time you took to examine my record and formulate your response. Jclemens (talk) 02:26, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

RfA Barnstar

Thanks for your comments over at Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship. You really nailed it, and made the issue clear—at least to me. Cheers! Unschool 07:56, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Eh, I hope I didn't come on too strong. Probably should have taken a breath and waited to cool down before typing... L'Aquatique[talk] 08:06, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Less "strong" and it may not have hit me right. Besides, I think I was the one being dogmatic—even more so than Balloonman, who made the original post. No worries here. Unschool 08:43, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Vote at ACE2008 - The Fat Man [20]

Hi - I noticed that your !vote appears to be just a comment? Just bringing it to your attention in case it's a mistake. Ta Shot info (talk) 03:02, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

O, it appears to be fixed now :-) Shot info (talk) 03:03, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Me and email stupidity

Got a great chuckle out of that one :) No worries though, I spammed every single Wikipedia list known to man - I'm an equal opportunity idiot. Shell ^babelfish 03:16, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for defending a Wikipedia tradition

Hey, water lady, thanks for the comments at WP:RFA. I don't know if everyone agreed with us, and a titanic deal was made out of a simple image placed on someone's user talk, but I really appreciate the defense and regardless everyone loved your design. So, I'd just like to give you a smile in appreciation.

—Mizu onna sango15^Hello! has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Cheers, —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 04:13, 1 December 2008 (UTC).

Oh Thank You!

Seriously, I was sitting at my edit screen for, not kidding, 30 minutes...Trying to figure out what I missed which was killing it. I totally over looked the bracket. You rock! Neuro√Logic

Image:Hookem_hand.svg

FYI, this is the University of Texas's symbol for "Hook 'em Horns", not the left hand symbol. The symbol for left-handed is Image:Stop_hand_nuvola_alternate.svg reversed (with the palm down). "Hook 'em horns" can be done on any hand, not just the left hand. miranda 22:47, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey, thanks! I really just grabbed the first symbol of a hand that had transparent background. The "hookem hand" one does even show a left hand... lol. l'aquatique || talk 23:08, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I can flip the SVG whenever I get time and edit out the stop sign. Cheers. miranda 00:52, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! .SVG images give me such trouble, I really should learn how to use them. They're probably the future of graphics... l'aquatique || talk 01:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Request for removal of attack

user: Rlogan2 made similar edit reversions to every edit I made on a series of different wikipedia articles that I thought were constructive. As the user didn't provide any reasons for this in any of his edit summaries, I went to his talk page and explained why I thought the edits were beneficial and requested the user to have a discussion with me on one of talk pages if he disagreed. In response to this request on his talk page, he made this attack [21] Despite the fact that other users generally can't remove comments off other people's talk pages, I'm pretty sure blatant unsigned attacks is an exception. I would remove it myself, but I'm almost sure the user would engage in edit warring. I'd thank you very much if you could step in and remove the edit. Cheers! 65.31.103.28 (talk) 01:36, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd also like to point out that user: Plastikspork whom I strongly suspect of sockpuppeting [22] has turned up on the same page and made similar attacks. If you could remove both of the attacks. Apparently requesting to discuss an edit is a basis for becoming uncivil 65.31.103.28 (talk) 01:45, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi- I'm actuallly about to go to class, I don't have time to handle this right now although I do believe his behavior has been inappropriate. I'm gonna hand this off to another admin if you don't mind. l'aquatique || talk 02:01, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Enjoy your class! :) 65.31.103.28 (talk) 02:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Is this request soley to remove this edit, or is there more to it? If you are just looking for his comment to be removed from his talk page, I'm afraid I will have to decline to do so. I don't believe it is enough of a direct personal attack to warrant me removing it. If this is consistent behavior, perhaps WP:WQA is the way to go. I'm sorry if I'm missing something, I'm not familiar with the situation. Useight (talk) 02:33, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

No more than what I said above in which the user had reverted a similar edit on multiple different pages and I wrote on his talk page (to avoid an edit war) that I thought the edits were beneficial and if he disagreed, we should take it to a talk page. In reply to this, the user's writing nonsensical responses go nowhere...its funny when an anon user requests for me to waste my time on a talk page when they dont even sign up for an actual account. pass (unsigned might I add) is something I regarded as highly uncivil and as L'Aquatique said inappropriate. In my own personal opinion, the attack was directed at me as the user removes my comment and refers to 'anon' in making the edit and it was also the following edit after I wrote my comment in the same section 65.31.103.28 (talk) 02:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree that his comment wasn't civil or the appropriate way to handle the situation, but I also don't think it was bad enough to warrant third-party removal. If he had thrown around some "F-words" or something, then I'd consider it. Also, he is permitted to remove comments left on his talk page. Archiving is preferred, but straight-up removal is also allowed.; it is taken to indicate that he did see and read it. I agree that his comment is in the wrong, but I'm not going to remove it and I don't know if you'll find anyone willing to do so. Useight (talk) 02:59, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Since the removal of nothing but uncivil and inappropriate remarks from his talk page is too much to ask, could one of you at least talk to the editors about their incivility. According to the Rlogan2, discussing matters civilly on a talk page so as to avoid it from becoming an edit war is "wasting time". This will be a problem as the user has a history of editing the same pages as I do and we could run into a similar situation.The user also implied that he wouldn't dicuss matters with any IP users which is all the more reason to discuss civility with him.

Another editor who is strongly suspected of sockpuppeting came and made uncivil remarks directly below his. Currently I am still waiting for someone to do a checkuser report on the user, which is user: Platikspork. Since we're all agreed that the behavior was uncivil, I'm hoping that the least thing that could happen is a warning or some kind of talk with these users as there's a chance we could run into each other again. Obviously the situation would escalate if I attempted to do this as they've already been uncivil for suggesting to discuss on a talk page, which is why I tried came here in the first place. Cheers! 65.31.103.28 (talk) 09:29, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

 Done l'aquatique || talk 10:11, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

For the record, if people suggest that I have been mean or uncivil, that's simply not true. What was said is that there really is no way that I am going to debate a anonymous user who doesn't sign up for an account. And it's true. I don't. But I dont see that as being uncivil. However, as you may have noticed, I haven't gone back to the page to revert what I changed solely because when people are THAT adamant about keeping things like that, even if it's wrong, I'm not going to debate 4-6 words on a page, I will just leave it how it is. And as far as User:Plastikspork is concerned, I can personally attest to the fact that this editor is not sockpuppeting. This editor has been told by many other editors what a good job they are doing and how much their contributions to the pages are very helpful. Baseless claims like that shouldn't be allowed. Simply put, I'm not changing anything about a sequel because clearly it's a huge issue that I could care less about in the first place, it was merely suggested that it be removed on other pages seeing as though I had already did the same to a page before. Donahue!!--EmperorofBlackPeopleEverywhere (talk) 16:38, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

A silly idea...

Just occurred to me:

l'aquatique || l'aquatalk

(also you have an extra </font> in there)

//roux   editor review 01:40, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm confused

Hey L'Aquatique...I was told by Oakshade on my talk page that this book is notable because it's author is. Now I have a question: How can the book's stub, a one sentence article, pass This? Was I right to nominate it? Take a look Scarpetta. I'm not trying to sound...like I'm accusing anyone of anything, but it seems I'm being told policy, with like...25% of opinion thrown in for spice, and it's confusing the heck out of me. Thoughts? Neuro√Logic 14:46, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry that I follow you over here now, I noticed the "bringing it to L'Aqua's talk page" in your edit summary. Books (except if solely published on the web) can simply never be speedied as an WP:CSD#A7. Read the criterion, the topics it covers are defined quite narrowly, and books are even explicitly exluded. If you find a WP:CRYSTAL violation, or have notability concerns, then either merge it, PROD it, or bring it to AfD.
The Scarpetta example has, at this point, barely enough to be an article. It seems to be a book in a notable series and should at the worst be merged somewhere, in my opinion. --Amalthea 15:32, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Amalthea! NL: I think some of your confusion is stemming from a very common misunderstanding about notability. I'd be happy to explain it but I am running late for class so I need to run. I will be back in about twenty minutes. Talk to you then- l'aquatique || talk 18:47, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the CSD being wrong. I was wondering about AfD nom or something possibly. Thanks Amalthea! Neuro√Logic 03:46, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Anytime! --Amalthea 05:24, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh whoa...a really cool idea this one

Skomorokh made a note here which got me thinking, recognition for a core/vital article...a pulsating heart? wiki-jigsaw peice with blood vessels? an apple core, earths core? how else do we represent vital....just some stream-of-consciousness writing...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:09, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, what I have so far involves a burnished jigsaw piece, made to look aged with a bit of moss, etc with flowers growing on it. It's on the vista side of my computer and I'm using linux right now but I can show you a mockup later if you'd like? l'aquatique || talk 08:11, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

ooh yes please... :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:47, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Wow, what happened to your userpage? I see the dotted lines and keep thinking I should be getting out a pair of scissors and cutting out bits of the screen... XD Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I think that might void your warranty... :P l'aquatique || talk 02:02, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

ROFL. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:18, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

How are the artistic endeavours going? :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:41, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay... Sorry, I'm uber slow. Hopefully the end result will be worth it. Congrats on arbcom, btw... l'aquatique |✡| talk 20:07, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Kewl, been a bit busy since...(arbcom email list...very...weighty....in inbox...struggling) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:43, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Request

Hello again L'Aquantina, =) I'm unsure of what to do in regards to adding information on protected articles. I brough up an edit that I think should be altered on the talk page of an protected article and if anyone had any objections to my suggestion, which is: I think it makes more sense for the article opening to address the athlete's specialty matches as opposed to addressing the matches the athlete was the first to compete in.

As it's been over a week and no one has objected to this, is it then ok to include that information into the article? Here is the discussion; Talk:The Undertaker (toward the bottom titled Specialty Matches In The Opening) Just as a note, while editors have debated the issue of whether or not one match in particular (HIC match) is the wrestler's specialty match (which I stated should probably be sourced as there's a dispute as to it) no one has objected to specialty matches being addressed in the opening as a replacement. Cheers! 65.31.103.28 (talk) 09:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... well I don't know a thing about wrestling so I can't properly follow the conversation but if you propose an edit and no one objects to it in a week, that's probably a fairly good basis for consensus and you can add the information. If someone disagrees, they may revert it and in that case [without re-reverting] direct them to the talk page and see if they'll discuss. Does that answer your question? l'aquatique || talk 09:52, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

The smiley icon absolutely made my day! =)

Thanx for all the advice that I will be sure to apply. Actually my main concern was the fact that the article is currently protected so there's no way I could make the edit. I'm assuming only administrators are entitled to edit protected articles; not exactly sure of the rules on page protection, how it is all dealt with, or what is done when an administrator gives the go ahead for an edit to be made. Cheers! 65.31.103.28 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 10:57, 9 December 2008 (UTC).

Haha, yes, I too love that smilie. I've checked at the article is semi-protected, which means established editors (people with accounts that have more than 10 edits and have been here for more than 4 days) can edit it. Since because of my lack of knowledge about wrestling I'm not really clear on what the change you want made is, you should make a post in that conversation that says something like, "Since there seems to be consensus can someone who can edit the page please make the change?"

While we're talking about it, I'm supposed to make the plug to you, having an account here comes with a lot of benefits, like the use of your watchlist (a feature that once you've discovered it you will never be able to live without), the ability to edit without having your IP made public, ability to edit semi-protected pages, and the ability to create and move pages, upload files, and participate in some of the more higher level community processes (i.e. RfA. Now, that said, I strongly support the right for IP's to edit and if you don't want an account, I understand and pass no judgment. l'aquatique || talk 21:19, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		message Cheers dude (talk) 00:00, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I took your advice and got an account. That advice was so random, l'aquiatique, so I just had to go get you this Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar. Thanx! ;D I'll also take your advice in regards to the edit. Hopefully it will catch someone's attention and they will make the edit. To get off point for one moment, manager of a newspaper! Lucky you! I'm actually going to college to get a job in journalism because I love writing. Ok! Cheers! :) Cheers dude (talk) 00:00, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Lol awesome! I think you'll really come to appreciate the benefits of having an account, although you are of course welcome to edit as an IP whenever you like. (Many go back and forth).

Thanks for the barnstar, and if you have any questions don't hesitate to contact me! l'aquatique || talk 01:23, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh wow!

I had no idea Wikipedia had such things...What about the Hanukkah ones?! Ok...I'll make one, in the form of a userbox, since that's the only template I know how to make!

Chag SameachAnd Happy Hanukkah! Spread a little samach! Oy Vey!

How's that? =) Love! and Happy Hanukkah!

Peace and Love,
Paul & Jacop Neuro√Logic 05:41, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

ASCB workshop: thanks!

Hey User:L'Aquatique,

Thanks so much for fixing my little tutorial and offering to help the scientists at the ASCB workshop! It's hard to believe that it'll happen in only a few days; I'm leaving for the flight in a few hours.

I haven't thought it through, but what I was thinking is that friendly Wikipedians like you could greet the scientists with a welcome message and offer to help them. They'll make a new friend, the scientific and wiki-worlds will come a quantum closer, and the scientists will learn something new about Wikipedia in replying to the welcome message and in watching others' changes to their articles. If you have other suggestions about how to educate our fellow scientists and make them feel welcome, I'm all ears! There will also be a handful of live volunteers helping out and answering questions.

Tim and I will begin speaking around 12:30pm, and we aim to get the scientists editing Wikipedia by about 1pm, giving them 1.5 hours to create and edit their articles. I'll have them add the template {{ASCB workshop}} to their user page, which will add them to the Category:ASCB 2008 Wikipedia workshop participants category. Then you'll be able to see who's participating and welcome them. I'm hoping that a few other online Wikipedians will want to help as you do; I think Awadewit volunteered and Tim is asking around as well. Thanks again, Proteins (talk) 11:29, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Thought that you would like to see this.

John Meyer's "Waiting on the World to Change" performed by D-PAN. miranda 17:42, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Wow! That is really cool! I love that song and the videography is very nice. Thanks for showing that to me, gonna have to send that to some of my friends. l'aquatique || talk 19:09, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

History

1. Bstone blanks the page and replaces it with his new MFD.
2. Satori Son deletes the entire page.
3. Satori Son restores ONLY the edits to the new MFD.
4. Satori Son moves those edits to a new page.
5. Satori Son deletes the redirect from the old MFD to the new MFD.
6. Satori Son restores the old edits to the old MFD.

DepartedUser (talk) 21:17, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

You mean this page: Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Don't_template_the_regulars? l'aquatique || talk 21:21, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes.

1. Bstone blanks Old MFD (page) and replaces it with New MFD (text).
2. Satori Son deletes Old MFD (page).
3. Satori Son restores ONLY the edits to the new MFD (New MFD (edits))to Old MFD (page).
4. Satori Son moves Old MFD (page) with New MFD (edits/text) to New MFD (page).
5. Satori Son deletes the automatic redirect from the Old MFD to the New MFD (page).
6. Satori Son restores the Old MFD (edits/text) to the old MFD.

DepartedUser (talk) 21:24, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

I think I figured it out. See User talk:Bstone... l'aquatique || talk 21:33, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

WP India template

There is a problem with latest change. Preview ANY page with this template, will show something is wrong! Please fix it ASAP. I think an extra }} has been introduced in this latest change (see Diff of the template prior to your re-protect). VasuVR (talk, contribs) 08:42, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

My bad faith warning

Hi, LA! I was wondering if you might be able to comment on my talk page about the "bad faith" warning which was given to me by DepartedUser. I asked for help using the adminhelp tag but after 5 hours I've received none. Since you commented before I thought I'd ask. Basically, it seems TW glitched and I was on the end of a level 1 page blanking warning. However I am not sure where or why the "bad faith" warning comes into play. Might you comment? Bstone (talk) 06:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Logic and the mind and Neural Modeling Fields

Hello. It seems that you closed the discussion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Logic_and_the_mind and deleted one of the pages that was proposed for deletion. The discussion however was also about another page, Neural modeling fields. The consensus was NOT to delete it, however it still has the deletion nomination on top, so I was wondering if it is safe to remove the nomination and assume that the page has survived? I plan to make some improvements to it and would like to know if I should spend time on this. Thank you, Romanilin (talk) 22:00, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, seems I missed it. I'll remove the notice. l'aquatique || talk 04:01, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

RfA thankspam

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Kanpur Dehat district

The article was not a copyvio - the nationmaster.com page was a copy of our article (it's in the small print at the bottom of the page). DuncanHill (talk) 22:35, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

It's been restored, my apologies. A combination of me not wearing my glasses while editing and the fact that there's a giant crack in my screen right at the bottom. ;) l'aquatique || talk 22:38, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, it was small print, and well hidden away from the main text :) DuncanHill (talk) 22:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I looked at the fine print, saw something that I swear was "all rights reserved" and went from there... Oh well, live and learn. l'aquatique || talk 00:16, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Doe Run Co

Hello, please will you send me the deleted text I wrote for this article. I see that there was already an article under the title Doe Run Company (my title was Doe Run). I deleted my own personal file but would like to keep a copy of what I wrote. The text can be emailed to me at ikinsman@hotmail.com Ivankinsman (talk) 11:09, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, it's my personal policy to not provide material that was deleted as a copyright violation or attack page. You could try another admin in this category and you may have better luck. l'aquatique || talk 15:18, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Now hold on here. It states in Wikipedia that you can request from the editor who deleted the article to e-mail you the deleted content. I also feel that you deleted this article unnecessarily claiming that it was biased. If you checked thoroughly - rather than taking a quick glance at it and probably not knowing much about the subject - you would have seen that the statements made were correctly sourced. I would like this deletion to be disputed and to get other independent editors' feedback on whether they feel this article is unduly negative or not. If you look at my profile, you will see that I am not some newbie to Wikipedia but an experienced contributor. Please respond in a sensible manner to these comments. Ivankinsman (talk) 18:54, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello, again this is a polite request for my copy. I am assuming that you simply read the article quickly, deleted it and did not even bother to save the copy. Call yourself an editor? I would like to make an official complaint regarding this and have the article re-looked at since, as I have said above, it was correctly sourced. As an official 'editor' who represents Wikipedia, please inform me how to go about this. Ivankinsman (talk) 20:04, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually that's not entirely accurate. You have the right to ask for copies of your deleted articles, but it is my discretion whether to provide them. Most administrators will not provide copies of articles deleted as copyvios or attack pages, myself included. As I said, I would be willing to provide you some names of good administrators whom you might try asking nicely for a copy.

Otherwise, you can request a review of the deletion here. Other admins will look over the material and decide whether it was appropriately deleted. Let me know if you have futher questions regarding this matter. l'aquatique |✡| talk 23:36, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

OK, thank you for this feedback. Have put it up on the review deletion page. As I have stated, I would eventually like to merge this article into the Doe Run Co. page in order to flesh it out. ==Deletion review for Doe Run==

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Doe Run. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedy-deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Ivankinsman (talk) 11:11, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Having been sent the copy by another editor, and having taken an objective look at it once again (with some pointers from him), I feel the article should not be re-instated. Think I got too close to the subject and that a lot of the info. is already at Doe Run Company I may add some pieces of additional information here. Ivankinsman (talk) 10:55, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Signature

Not to be a PITA, but you can't have images in your signature. miranda 05:12, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Is there a technical reason for that? I don't think my little star has been wrecking much trouble whilst I wasn't looking, but maybe I haven't noticed? (not being sarcastic, I do want to know if it's actually causing trouble) l'aquatique || talk 05:15, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:SIG#Images miranda 05:27, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Good enough for me! l'aquatique || talk 05:32, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

If I may suggest, this is not as aesthetically pleasing but it works (see in edit mode) ✡.—Sandahl 20:32, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Forgot to add, simply copy pasting the symbol also works. —Sandahl 20:34, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Yay! Thanks... l'aquatique |✡| talk 23:31, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Budha

Can the edit summary vandalism by Soy de san diego be removed completely from Budha? I have seen it done to one other article (about couple of weeks ago) by another admin. Thanks. VasuVR (talk, contribs) 05:41, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

 Done. Ya want fries with that? l'aquatique || talk 05:49, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Wow. Thank you. I like your TB box as well as the response. Makes me smile and hopefully that can be passed on to others! Keep it going.

BTW. Can you point me to some links in Wikipedia on how to contact admins / sysop? I am doing something wrong in my search in Help - because have not got to correct pages that lead me to them! VasuVR (talk, contribs) 05:55, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Sure, there's a few ways. Firstly, there's a complete list of all administrators here: Wikipedia:List_of_administrators- keep in mind that not all are currently active and relatively few will be online at any given time. This page: Wikipedia:Requests_for_administrator_attention has a list of common admin tasks and noticeboards where you can request help, you can add {{adminhelp}} to your userpage and one will come along relatively quickly, or you can browse Highly Active Users for a user that is both an admin and online. Does that help? l'aquatique || talk 06:02, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick and detail response. Yes, that is swell. I will copy this conv. into my talk page - and so it will be there or in my archive. Hope that is OK. VasuVR (talk, contribs) 06:36, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Yup, fine with me. l'aquatique || talk 06:49, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

User Darrenhusted

Hey L'Aquatique!

I'm having a problem with two editors. Do you mind having a look at this and having a talk with this editor on this edit [23]. I guess he feels that kind of talk is ok and has justified it with this [24] Thank you!

Just for some clarification, myself and user NiciVampire have been debating an edit that we disagree on wholeheartedly on the Cody Rhodes talkpage here [25] as she doesn't agree with an edit that myself and other editors have tried to include. She won't allow it into the article until it has a reliable source. We took it here [26] and someone WAS able to find a reliable source so that the edit can now be added into the article. Anyways, all that aside, I'm not too sure what happened with regards to this particular editor who entered the discussion. For now, as it seems he's engaging in incivility and belligerence, I'm certain my debating rationally won't get us anywhere. Could you have a talk with him. Cheers! Cheers dude (talk) 11:25, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd also like to note that despite user Adster finding a reliable source for the edit as noted here[27] in a discussion we're having on a wrestling talkpage in regards to the issue, the users in question (Darrenhusted & NiciVampire) are have now tried to use page protection to get their way [28] [29] despite the fact that a source has been found. Note, there original objection was not having a reliable source as noted here [30] . Also, note that I was the one who initiated discussion on the talk page and have only two reverts to NiciVampire's three reversions. I could reintroduce the information again if I wanted to without violating the 3RR but I am refraining from edit warring on the article. Cheers dude (talk) 11:39, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, once again the sum of my wrestling or boxing or whatever it is you're talking about it just about nil, so I have trouble following your conversations. However, NiciVampire's desire to find a reliable source for additions to a BLP is in line with policy. That being said, the wwe source seems reliable enough to me and I don't see why the edit can't be made- perhaps both Priceless and Cody Rhodes & Ted DiBiase can be included in the article with an explantion that they seem to go by both? See my response below for more- l'aquatique || talk 17:52, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Request for edit

Sigh! Seems the users have got there way and got page protection. However, per NiciVampire's statements here, [31] and Darrenhusted's statements here [32] where the users claim they weren't requesting page protection to prevent the inclusion of the edit that they were stating couldn't be sourced or proven and only once a reliable source was found, they request page protection, do you mind reinstating this edit [33] with the source user Adster found here [34] . Thank you! Sorry for the cluster of information here. Please help! Thank! Cheers dude (talk) 13:01, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

There is no consensus for that edit, this request is only being made to avoid 3RR. In addition Cheers dude has acted in an uncivil manner across three different pages in trying to force this edit, part of which has resulted in Nici taking a wiki-break to escape. I give Cd credit for realizing he can't make a fourth edit without getting a block but otherwise he does not seem to be learning from his mistakes. Darrenhusted (talk) 13:39, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't feel comfortable making a controversial edit to a protected page- that's really not what edit requests are for. The whole point of page protection is to get both parties to stop edit warring and talk it out. As you may or may not have noticed, all protected edit tags carry a disclaimer that protecting a specific version is not in any way an endorsement of that version- it's merely the version that was current when the uninvolved admin came along to protect.

Now, Darrenhusted (and NiciVampire) I'm somewhat disappointed in both of you. You are both experienced editors who should know better than to resort to edit warring. Cheers dude is a new user and while there is no excuse for edit warring he at least gets some leeway because he has not yet had time to really learn all our policies.

I can't speak to the worthiness or unworthiness of the edit in question- I don't think I'm really qualified. However, I do know that edit warring is a one way ticket to losing an argument and both sides are apparently guilty of that here. I strongly recommend you seek dispute resolution now so that the article can be unprotected as soon as possible. The first step would be for someone to file a request for comment, which brings uninvolved users to the page to make neutral assesments. l'aquatique || talk 17:53, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Question about procedure

Hi, I was wondering if you could help me with a minor problem. There has been a minor "page move war" going on with A Double Shot at Love with the ikki twins. The problem stems from the capitalization and punctuation of the title. The official website for the show, MTV A Double Shot at Love, shows the title to be "A Double Shot at Love with the ikki twins", however the page is being constantly moved to A Double Shot at Love with the Ikki Twins or A Double Shot at Love - with the Ikki Twins or many other variations. This show is a spin-off or sequel to A Shot at Love with Tila Tequila which appears to have no dispute over the title. It would be great if you could help me determine the best way to resolve this issue to stop the "page move war" before it goes any further. I have already tried talking to the primary user involved with the move, User:MerriFunn, but he/she appears to be unwilling to join the discussion on the talk page. Instead just moves the page without first discussing the issue. Thanks for all your help! Plastikspork (talk) 20:29, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

In particular, this edit seems very strange since the user did not join the discussion on the talk page. Thanks again! Plastikspork (talk) 20:47, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmm...Well I'll take a look and see if page-move protection is warranted at this time, although realize that in order to preserve neutrality I have to protect the current version, not the one I agree with, so it may end up being the one you disagree with. In addition, I will see if administrative intervention is necessary, at least to get User:MerriFunn talking. l'aquatique || talk 22:41, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't think protection is warranted at this time and she seems at least somewhat responsive. You're doing a good job, by the way. It can be frustrating dealing with disputes and you're handling it well. I'd try filing a request for comment to get outside opinion. l'aquatique || talk 22:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. There appears to be a total of at least three other editors who agree the original uncapitalized form was correct, as measured by the discussion on the Talk Page, but as of yet, User:MerriFunn appears unwilling to discuss it in that forum. Hopefully this can be resolved without using a WP:RFC. Thanks again! Plastikspork (talk) 02:20, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject Outreach

WP:OUTREACH now exists in larval stage. Please visit the talkpage to help it pupate. //roux   21:42, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Love the metaphors, 'dahling... l'aquatique || talk 21:46, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

AdjustShift (talk) is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Don't eat yellow snow!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:Flaming/MC2008}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Douche and Turd

Interesting new user page design, L'Aquatique! Your old one was so much more homey, though. :-)

Hey, since you're a regular South Park watcher from what I can tell, could you check out my comment at Talk:Douche and Turd and give me your opinion? I didn't even notice until now how inactive the talk page is for that episode, and I could use a good Wikipedian's insight.

Thanks. —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 23:03, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Lol, thanks. I was going for a more modern look. I've been told that it looks like those lines that you cut along, ya know? Hee hee... Replied to your message on the talk page. l'aquatique |✡| talk 04:19, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Nice! I never thought you could do it any other way than with a straight border. You have opened my mind! Haha. Happy Hanukkah! —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 07:07, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Another thing—Looks like you linked to my Doppelganger account, not me! Simple mistake, though. It's 15 not 16! (I thought you knew me!) :-) —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 07:11, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry... I was unable to access Wikipedia and was having someone do it over IRC. I couldn't remember whether it was 15 or 16 so I asked him if it was a bluelink and he said it was so I thought I was right. I'll fix it now. l'aquatique |✡| talk 20:52, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Haha. The only one left would be User:Mizu onna sango14! Yeah, I have a lot of doppelgangers. I'm a bit surprised I didn't create that one. —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 21:47, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Mizu onna Sango 15.5... hee hee... l'aquatique |✡| talk 22:22, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Have a Horrible Merry, IRC, Christmas from RockManQ_Talk 05:05, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Why, thank you! I hope yours is equally miserable enjoyable. l'aquatique |✡| talk 06:41, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

:D :D :D :D :D VX!^~~~ 13:35, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

• sigh*, I just have too much fun with emoticons. :P VX!^~~~ 19:52, 25 December 2008 (UTC)