User talk:Lopifalko/Archive 2

Your review of Insolvncy and Companies Judges

Thank you for your review of Insolvncy and Companies Judges. I have tried to address your points, though as many of the references are taken from the offical UK Government judiciary website its difficult to find 'more reliable' sources. Boggling2019 (talk) 19:14, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't see your comment here but I did see that you had put the article up for review again and did a review. I will get back to you here when I next have an opportunity. Suffice to say though that it will need independent reliable sources. -Lopifalko (talk) 19:58, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I have included some.Boggling2019 (talk) 20:50, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Your warning on photographer Bill Dane's page

Hi there! I feel it's a bit unfair that you left that warning there considering on many of the photographer-related pages you've made, there are less sources for comparable lists (solo exhibitions, publications, etc.) and there are no source/citation warnings. Is there a reason that Bill's artist bio page, which lists those collections, on Jack Fischer Gallery's site (which is incidentally right down the hall from Fraenkel) doesn't fill in the source gaps while I get more sources together? I thought you'd be pleased that within an hour or two of your initial warning I had over half the Collections sourced directly! :) Let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:644:300:8A90:F535:A18E:898:B681 (talk) 23:44, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi. I was pleased! I even went to the edit summary so as to send thanks using the button there, but found you were an anonymous IP so was unable to. I left the warning in so as to leave encouragement for you to continue, not expecting that doing so would be an issue for you. In time I would have toned it down if no-one, including myself, had headed it.

The subject of the article or their representative are not a WP:RELIABLE source for lists of collections. A reliable source would be the institution themselves, or preferably a disinterested source such as a broadsheet newspaper.

I often completely remove unsourced group exhibitions where I find them in existing articles, but leave in unsourced solo exhibitions to give people the chance to source them. As far as I recall, only very occasionally in articles I have started do I leave an unsourced solo exhibition, but hopefully always include a citation needed warning. Publications do not need sources; I only ever add one if I have a particularly good source and nowhere else to use it in the article.

Thanks for your extensive referencing. -Lopifalko (talk) 08:48, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your help on the page! I was sad at first because of the warning and I'd worked so hard on that page initially (I'm NOT Bill Dane by the way, just a person with an interest in Bill's art and interesting career). But now the page is clearly stronger because of your encouragement/edits. I really appreciate it! It's lovely to have folks like you making so many wikipedia pages for photographers and photography-related folks, and I'm glad you're looking out for Bill Dane's page as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:644:300:8A90:F535:A18E:898:B681 (talk) 21:06, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, that's kind of you to say, and it pleases me that I inspired you to greater things. -Lopifalko (talk) 09:33, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion

This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident in which you may be involved. You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention, when questioned, something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence. Now, remain motionless as my assistant here administers the truth serum, mwahaha. -- Hoary (talk) 00:18, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

UK Social Centre Network

Thanks for the fixes on UK Social Centre Network, I'm just about to add refs if you give me 30 minutes. : -) Jonpatterns (talk) 17:26, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Apologies for jumping the gun. -Lopifalko (talk)

Sebastião Salgado

Dear Lopifalko, if there is no need for pictures of two exhibitions (different locations) of Sebastião Salgado, why did you prefer the one with a clearly worse picture quality (please compare the letters of the title of the exhibition in 100% views in terms of image noise and sharpness)? The readability of the author's name and the name of the exhibition is complete in my shot. Membeth (talk) 12:01, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi. I prefer the photograph that alredy accompanied the article because I believe the important thing to show about a photograph from an exhibition is the context of the exhibition - lots of photographs - which this photo does well, where as your photo only shows one exhibit. I think this is more important than the author's name and the name of the exhibition. I see your point that your photo is of higher quality at 100% but I expect most people who are reading the photograph will do so from within the article, it is not one that warrants looking at any larger in my opinion. I think photos of exhibitions add only slight value to an article, compared with photos of the subject of the article or their work, thus not worth having more than one photo unless they are of very different exhibitions. -Lopifalko (talk)

My Draft Articles

Hello Dear Lopifalko, thank you very much for your latest edits. Could you please not to edit my Draft articles, which are not yet published? Arthistorian1977 (talk) 14:44, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Sure, I can do that. I made the edit in the hope that it would be seen as a friendly gesture to show you how lists on Wikipedia should be in chronological order, as I see you have made this same mistake across various articles. -Lopifalko (talk)

Thank you very much for the help. I've asked because I sometimes have draft articles opened in edit mode for some hours and I don't want to mess with overlapping edits. I will really appreciate your guidance and assistance in the future. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 10:54, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Why is Nowa removing wikilinks?

Just doing an experiment. No offense intended. I can explain in more detail if you want.--Nowa (talk) 22:55, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Interesting. Please do explain, or link me to an explanation, but only if you can spare the time. Lopifalko (talk)

Lopifalko, Thanks. It's no big mystery. I wanted to see how other editors would react if an artist's bio was tagged with “orphan”. My main interest was with the David Horvitz article.--Nowa (talk) 13:07, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Did you know?

Did you know that Henri Cartier-Bresson was considered to be the father of photojournalism?

No, I didn't either.

But did you know that Wikipedia said this for over one decade?

Jeez. -- Hoary (talk) 12:47, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

You finally proved it once and for all – Wikipedia's full of shit. Fuck Linus's Law. -Lopifalko (talk)

I'd not heard of that, and so took a look.

The law states that "given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow"; or more formally: "Given a large enough beta-tester and co-developer base, almost every problem will be characterized quickly and the fix will be obvious to someone."

The amazing/depressing thing is that this conspicuously situated and idiotic claim of having fathered photojournalism survived multiple edits to the article by, and thus eyeballing by, such not-total-photography-ignoramuses as, er, Pinkville, TheMindsEye, you and me (two of whom have since their shots at it pretty much disappeared). But the "law" assumes that the eyeballs aren't glazed. And of course they are, and no wonder they are (or that we just give up), what with all the junk that we see (today's rediscovery: Filip Naudts). -- Hoary (talk) 23:20, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Hoary, nearly 3 years later I am pulling crap out of the Naudts article and chasing down inappropriate links back to it, and find this page shows up as one of those links. It was as much junk as you hinted at. -Lopifalko (talk) 19:53, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Edits done by Lopifalko to Glen E. Friedman

Thank you for trying to help on this page, but it's disappointing that sources such as the Washington Post and others credited as not being valid in your estimation are not worthy of a wiki entry.

Hi. I consider thumped.com to likely not be a reliable source in Wikipedia's consideration, because it looks to be the work of a single person, and does not have a Wikipedia article about it. The Washington Post ref did not give a URL. I don't consider sixspace.com, a gallery hosting his work, to give an objective opinion on him being one of the greatest photographers of his generation. I have instead been replacing these weak references with new reliable references, so far The Guardian and Dazed.

Thumped is a publication with many writers from around the world i was able to find in a quick google search. Also searched "https://www.google.com/search?num=100&newwindow=1&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&q=glen+e.+friedman+%22the+most+significant+photographer+of+his+generation%22&oq=glen+e.+friedman+%22the+most+significant+photographer+of+his+generation%22&gs_l=serp.12...1390430.1394713.0.1396154.4.4.0.0.0.0.113.413.2j2.4.0....0...1c.1j2.64.serp..3.1.112.OdQVyzRSuME … and https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=glen+e.+friedman+%22the+most+important+photographer+of+his+generation%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 and came up with many sources that concur with the statement that show wiki readers who may not know, the artists' significance, BBC, Washington Post, Dazed and Confused, among galleries, book guides, sellers, as well as print and on line publications agree by publishing the same information, and respectful recognition of his place among the generation.

There was also a lot of other important and well sourced information you removed from the post including but not limited to Friedman's association and credits in the film Dogtown and Z-Boys the award winning movie of which he was very influential in.

The article said "Friedman's film credit, co-producer and creative consultant, barely touch on the major influence he had on the feature-length documentary" which is not an encyclopaedic description. I intend to list films under their own section.

Look forward to seeing this section, thank you. perhaps look at the film credits on the actual movie posters themselves since iMdb is not always complete

Also removing the educational institutions and museum collections that have his work for people to examine in person for educational purposes, why would you delete this information from a source that is supposed to inform?

I retained those public collections for which there is a reference, and removed those for which there was not, as is Wikipedia policy. If references can be found for those collections then they can return.

i think that is a disservice to the education of those looking to wiki for information, they were listed on the artists website I believe, and one would believe institutions have them in there collections for students and others to examine, again i will look for on-line sources to list or perhaps send them to you, and although you say the artists website ideally is not where you'd like to get information from it really is a great source there to be used, wikipedia contributors should. Would you not source information from the artists books in regard to his art or career?

Is there a reason you don't think the artists website is not a reliable source of information?

Ideally the article should be sourced to reliable and independent sources.

Ideally, understood, but it'd be silly not to rely on it for good information unless it has been proven unreliable. For example you listed or someone recently listed only one exhibition, if you go to the artists website you can see the flyers for many many other shows and then perhaps source articles for reviews etc.

Another thing to consider is that there was and is information that is in PRINT that was not available on-line when written so using the artists website of old printed press articles may come in handy for research (which may not be found on line other places).

This artist is well established and exhibited throughout the world and sold tens of thousands of books independently and through major publishing houses. This article as it stood before you hacked away at it was very legitimate your lack of research to validate your edits were uninformed and seemed like you have some personal beef with this artists work or political beliefs perhaps. Please go back and look more closely and reverse your extreme hatchet job to this article that prior was very informative and easy to read. That said I can agree with you on removing some of the more ambiguous terms and happy you've done that. I can try contacting the various institutions about there collections to see if they have them also listed on line some where to link to, but most older institutions do not in my experience. Thanks for your help if you mean well, but please put back the interesting, descriptive and informative information, don't delete work that was submitted on Wikipedia because of your personal lack of basic knowledge of the artist.

I do not need to know anything about the artist, I am applying Wikipedia policy. I am in the process of bringing the article in line with Wikipedia policy, encyclopaedic tone, stripping away the awful mess it was in and building it back up into a decent article that is well supported by reliable references, objective, and more thorough than when I began.

I beg to differ, if you are editing a piece on any subject you should know something about the subject to do it accurately. Sure you can work on information that is ambiguous and clean up grammar, but to remove descriptions of the atist or the work that help explain to the reader what the artist does or is known for doing, or sourced opinions of the artist makes little sense.

Reminds me of how I first became familiar with the artists work, in an article from an Irish group of designers that had Friedman lecture in new york city, they did a splendid article on him and his work that I refund for you here: http://burningflags.com/oldpress/press-archive/candy.php so perhaps you may like to repost their lovely quote about Friedman.

Apologies in advance if this is not the correct place to put this note, i am new to wiki editing. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Search&dastroy (talk • contribs) 14:23, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Quite. First rule of Wikipedia is assume good faith. I'm not new to this, I've written 48 Wikipedia articles. -Lopifalko (talk)

I am not new to reading wikipedia, i love it and contribute money to it every year, and we both know there are mostly great entries and some very poor entries, so i have to beg to differ with your opinion on this one, as a person who appreciates the artist and work I believe it was a very good entry, and I do believe your edits for the most part were a disservice to the community.

I will say the "list of Publications with significant contributions by Friedman" seems a bit outdated and can use a re-fresh if not an entire overhaul or removal even, what do you think? I love the movie section idea and perhaps You can create a gallery of his work some how? I believe on his website he has an entire section dedicated to free use images. here: http://burningflags.com/photographs/sharing/

Search&dastroy (talk) 21:43, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Lopifalko, In efforts to not edit your your edits yet again, can you please consider the following:

If you read the opening lines of the edit you have made it shows little evidence of the artist place in the culture at large, where the quotes if you read the articles supplied (and even 100's more written in the past, some too old to be on-line, which is a travesty for you not to respect just because they were written before the internet publishing of articles was common place) is clearly given.

You should add back in either "One of the most important photographers of his generation", "The most important photographer of his generation" or something to this effect that has been cited and republished in many places including major publication and broadcast networks internationally.

It clarifies what separates him from any other photographer that perhaps also photographed the same bands or skateboarders. As well, clarifying the amount of time he has done these things in the introductory paragraphs again accentuates the importance of this very entry. Merely saying he's been published and has photographs on record covers does not quantify the greatness of the career that is there and clearly on record. Generally speaking these entries are not for mediocre artists, these are to be for artist of great note, so I believe after you've done further research as I have you may reconsider your edits to put these points back in. Other than his induction into the "Skateboarding Hall of Fame" the article that you have trimmed down does not adequately describe the importance of the artists career and work. You have removed too much of this information and I or someone else will eventually add it back, cited as it was if you don't care to do it yourself.

Shooting record covers for groups such as Minot Threat, Black Flag, as well as Public Enemy, Beastie Boys and RunDMC is an incredibly unique achievement, shooting these very popular groundbreaking revolutionary groups in the different genres, and the beginnings of modern day skateboarding culture so uniquely, clearly spoken about in all the many many articles written about Friedman again is a disservice to the people seeking information from Wikipedia about him. The fact that Friedman generally known as a photographer also produced the largest selling hardcore punk album of the 80's seems like something you would not want to leave out of the entry. It may sound promotional but it's a fact that is respected and discussed in the press often that revalidates the importance of the entry.

Above is provided many recent items of press for you to adequately describe the artist, his work, and clear significance that you obviously did not understand before you went in and did what you did. Lets show the importance of the work, not merely that it was done, many reputable RECENT and ON-LINE sources above explain it quite clearly and coincide with what was removed or doubted by you.

I am clearly just trying to improve this page as a great source of information on an artist i respect. I own an actual encyclopedia since i was a kid, it has great information, and it's not just dry facts, its factual information that also shows the importance of the subject and reason for the subjects inclusion in such a collection, I expect nothing less from this great source.

Thank you for your reconsideration. Search&dastroy (talk) 14:10, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello. Talk page stalker here. I read:::You should add back in either "One of the most important photographers of his generation", "The most important photographer of his generation" or something to this effect that has been cited and republished in many places including major publication and broadcast networks internationally.

If this claim is made by a respected writer or in a respected periodical, it can be recycled here; otherwise I'd skip it. After all, this is the kind of assertion that frothy periodicals (perhaps recycling promotional press releases) freely make about various people. I note that Friedman was born in 1962. That's the same year as, say, Gregory Crewdson and Guy Tillim. In order to be taken seriously, a claim that somebody is "The most important photographer of his generation" should indicate how his work is superior to that of Crewdson, Tillim and others. -- Hoary (talk) 13:31, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Looking at Search&dastroy's Google search links above for 'glen e. friedman "the most significant photographer of his generation"' returns just 8 sites:

• 941geary.com - an exhibition space - not a noteworthy voice on the matter to begin with, but they quote what reads like Friedman's own artist statement / bio that is likely written by himself
• heyevent.com - quotes the same artist bio as above
• thumped.com - quotes the same artist bio as above
• dailydujour.com - quotes the same artist bio as above
• arthash.com - quotes the same artist bio as above
• dnote.website - quotes the same artist bio as above
• dailywenzel.blogspot.com - quotes the quote that dailydujour.com quotes, seeming to claim that it means something because dailydujour.com has copy and pasted it
• archive-ie.com - quotes the same artist bio as above -Lopifalko (talk)

Well why would so many sources print it if they did not believe it to be true as well? And who is to make the judgement or respected or not, that's pretty subjective. Clearly just because it's in The New York Times doesn't always mean the writer is respected, and a writer of culture who actually knows something of the culture would be much more respected within the cultures circles than an outside writer from a more circulated publication, so your use of the word "respected" is highly questionable, particularly since you yourself believe that you need "no knowledge" of the subject to write a quality article on a given subject for the commons.

Originally the article did say not "the most important" but "Considered one of the most important" so why not add that back in? if you do the print research and watch the videos and see the collections Friedman is in, it's pretty clear that he in fact is at least "One of the most important photographers of his generation." He has clearly inspired many people and has been at the forefront of three very influential cultures like no other photographer. To say "Coming to prominence in the 1980s with his photography of skateboarders and musicians, Friedman is considered one of the most important photographers of his generation." is no exaggeration or over promotion.It also helps to explain why in fact there is a Wiki article on him. Look at all the press that exists. I've never seen or heard of a photographer who has been asked and done as many extensive interviews as he has done, why would publications show the respect they do if it was not important? You added citations from recent Guardian pieces that don't go a fraction of the way into the artists work like previously cited materials do, your prejudice against more cultured and certainly relevant but independent press makes no sense.

By the way, in an obvious ploy to attempt to belittle Friedman's books I noticed you added "self published", if you did the research, why not be more correct and say under his own imprint? you seem to not understand that self publishing was not a negative in his circles, but the preferred mode of independence from the corporate publishing world until this last publication. So why not add that bit of information that is interesting if you have an understanding of the DIY ethic and culture Friedman came up in. If you read, you know Burning Flags Press was his imprint, but from the first partnership with Henry Rollins 2.13.61 publications sometimes the publications have been joint efforts.

You also changed DogTown to Santa Monica, this now reads improperly, because DogTown was not only Santa Monica, but the entire area of West Los Angeles in skateboard culture. This is a clear example of when some one attempts to improve an article, that they have no knowledge of the subject, they can ruin its credibility with those who have some knowledge, or are more well read on the subject.

After doing research on the institutions where the work sits and finding "links" for several of the ones you questioned, others that Friedman lists on his bio, do in fact have the work but don't have those collections digitized for internet retrieval or research, that hardly makes them unworthy of note.

Lopifalko you have denigrated the original article from much of it's interesting and explanatory text, (albeit sometimes celebratory, which is not negative out of hand) to a pile of unexplained factoids that don't read well without further adjectives and explanations, and worse case are not true the way you have used them (same goes for Hoary). I will take all you've said into consideration, but will source the artists website or books when needed (even though you say it is not preferred, but as noted it's clearly allowed.)

I wish I could believe that you mean well, but it hardly appears that way with the destruction you've done to this piece. You could have asked for further or different citations, but not removed the beef of the article. Please consider your edits of subjects of which you have little or no knowledge more seriously before you edit next time. Thank you. Search&dastroy — Preceding undated comment added 14:06, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Three points from a talk page stalker:

• One of the most important: It's normal for books and articles that are largely about a particular person or his/her work to say that this person is one of the most important whatevers, or even the most important whatever. And it's very likely that the writers sincerely believe this. But this kind of sourced claim could easily be added to thousands (if not tens of thousands) of Wikipedia articles, and this wouldn't be informative. The question to ask is: Do general surveys say the same thing? In this case, does some well-informed book (or even solid periodical article) about photography of the 1980s and 1990s in general say this kind of thing about Friedman? If so, that would certainly be worth adding to the article.
• Self-publication: There are indeed plenty of self-published photobooks that are excellent or notable or both. Look into the three volumes of Parr/Badger's The Photobook and you'll see plenty. I'm happy to possess copies of a number of excellent self-published photobooks myself. Some photographers' notability rests almost entirely on their self-published photobooks: Kiyoshi Suzuki (an interesting photographer despite the boring non-article) is one. What's the difference between talking of "[somebody]'s self-published photobook" and talking of "photobook published under [somebody's] own imprint"? (I suspect it's analogous to the difference between talking of a "used car" and talking of a "pre-owned car".)
• DogTown: Plenty of people (eg myself) have a hazy, partial understanding of LA. Encountering the unfamiliar term "DogTown", we go to DogTown, see that this is irrelevant, go to Dogtown, then to Dogtown, California, and then (since California's counties are unfamiliar), we give up. Something could be improved here and very likely you're excellently qualified to do it.

-- Hoary (talk) 22:59, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Edits done by Lopifalko to Hal Prewitt

Efforts to improve the page are very much appreciated; some were helpful, however many edits have done a disservice to the living person, his bio and users of wikipedia. You and a few editors recently made a great number of changes including removing facts, relevant and contextual based content posted by many others of which has been on this page a long while. I had not worked on this article since 2012 until recently when I noticed the changes.

For over 5 years, more than 30 editors have contributed to the page. Stats show the article is currently viewed hundreds (sometime many thousands) of times each month and is pushing somewhere in the hundreds of thousands since it was created.

I am a member of WikiProject Sports Car Racing and WikiProject Biography. I have extensive knowledge and experience in these subjects and a general understanding about most of the people's skills, WikiProjects and content I have worked on or am currently developing. I focus on living people. As part of the research I try to meet them, interview anyone I can reach and conduct systematic investigation into and study of materials and sources in order to establish facts and reach correct conclusions. I spend hundreds of hours of effort collecting and verifying content I have published on these subjects. I have received images, historical records and obtain permissions where necessary or advisable.

I have followed these processes reviewing and working on Prewitt's bio. My recent effort was to undo some of the removals (you and a few made) and update the page with new details. You promptly reversed most if not all my changes. This is a big problem and needs to be resolved. Please undo. My objection is the removal of facts, relevant and contextual based content. I am not objecting to "toning down" content sourced from marketing, promotional materials or websites.

Show respect for this living person's bio, work done by other editors and provide users of wikipedia with the content you removed. The words do not harm the bio.

Great Wikipededia articles come from editors who do the hard research and include work done by other's who they disagree with. Having direct knowledge about subjects related to a bio along with obtaining access to the difficult to find historic details on the person produces a factual and complete biography. It is proper to flag issues, ask questions and add content. Do not remove other editors content unless factually incorrect. Not liking the style, words, disagreeing with other people opinions or finding something "promotional and badly sourced", "whole pile of less worthwhile additions", "citations of Prewitt's corporate website" or "unsupported and non-noteworthy info" does not justify removal. The correct methods is to identify, comment or ask for more citations.

- One example: your justification of using "notability by association" to remove "in the years just prior to the introduction of their first personal computer" in the sentence "He provided consulting services to IBM in the years just prior to the introduction of their first personal computer and is credited..." impacts the context and relevance. IBM is a very large company. When and what someone did is a key fact. Defining context is key to understanding relevance to Prewitt's services. This is not "notability by association".

- Here's another: In his Youth section, using "Removed superfluous / biased language that fluffs up the subject, or is not noteworthy" you removed "At 15, before he had a driver's license, he rebuilt the engine of a neighbor's Fiat after it was pronounced unsalvageable". This is a fact and clearly noteworthy ​and not superfluous nor "fluffs up the subject". How many teens rebuild engines let alone those that are unsalvageable? Prewitt grew up and became a successful and famous race car driver among many other technological based achievements. Don't you see the relevance?

Reading your talk page, appears your interest and skills relate to photography.Would be best to help on this article's photography points and leave other work to editors with direct knowledge of Prewitt and/or members of WikiProject Sports Car Racing.

Please restore the ​facts, relevant and contextual based content.

-- Deansmith750 (talk) 23:39, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Links to photokina

Hi Lopifalko. I just reverted four of your reverts to "photokina <year>" links as I changed these links on purpose (except for the typo in one of them, of course). The intended purpose of going through the redirect is that it automatically groups events by photokina years for easier research of photokina events by year and to help expand the photokina article itself in the future. See Talk:photokina#Links to "photokina <year>" available for the rationale behind this. Thanks and greetings. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 10:42, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know your rationale behind this, I understand now. -Lopifalko (talk)

A barnstar

		The Editor's Barnstar
		in recognition of the heavy lifting you're doing at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phil America (2nd nomination)

E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:05, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Comments are requested at "Photographs of Alan Kurdi"

Hi, Please consider giving a comment in the deletion discussion for Photographs of Alan Kurdi. There does not seem to be a guideline that says that one can not have one article about the Photographs of Alan Kurdi - a set of photographs that has gathered notable reactions - and another article about the boy who is pictured lifeless in the photos, or the events leading to his death. Burst of unj (talk) 17:14, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

from the award body themselves

On this: good addition, but I think there's no need to subtract. After all, I've seen some "contributors" moan that when you only have references to the institution directly involved, this suggests that third parties aren't interested, in turn suggesting a lack of notability (groan).

Then again, the more references there are, the more link rot there's sure to be. (My work here of 8 to 10 September was no fun -- and a number of the dead links had only been created a year or so previously.) -- Hoary (talk) 10:13, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Groan indeed. I've put them back. Must stop now for a bit. Thanks. -Lopifalko (talk) 10:30, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Ta, fanx! -- Hoary (talk) 13:46, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

NY school of photography

Now freshly if modestly created. The list of what links to "New York School (art)" goes on at eye-glazing length; if you'd like to try scanning it for articles that are more likely to link to New York school of photography, much appreciated. -- Hoary (talk) 23:46, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

I will. I had noticed what you wrote on the New York School of Art article, and I have been reading Badger on the topic with a view to adding his thoughts. -Lopifalko (talk) 06:18, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Ah, good. The latter is much more interesting than link checking. (I wonder which badgerbook this might be.) Today I looked through six big fat books that might well have written about a NY school of photography; and although there were things written in a couple of these that were compatible with the notion (and that I might well have used if I were instead writing a term paper), there was nothing usable for the article. Incidentally, an interesting point Livingston makes is that (despite the background of several of these people in Art-with-a-capital-A) they prided themselves on being photographers, not artists. As art is where more money can be found, I have considerable sympathy for the efforts of today's photographers to call themselves "artists working in lens-based media" blah blah; but it sure is refreshing to read no-horseshit accounts of people pointing their cameras at what they saw that interested them. (Um, rant over, sorry.) -- Hoary (talk) 10:15, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

I was too bleary-eyed to understand what you had asked of me earlier, and completely missed that you had written New York school of photography – fantastic. I will transcribe Badger's comments from The Genius of Photography: How Photography has Changed our Lives. (BBC; Quadrille, 2007) -Lopifalko (talk) 10:59, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, I've quite forgotten The Genius, though I have a vague feeling that I've read it, or at least looked at it. -- Hoary (talk) 11:39, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

There's more to come from this page, but for this is the meat of it, from page 137: "'Towards a Social Landscape The problem with photographing rocks is how to make work that expresses and evokes something more than woolly romanticism. It can be done - rocks as well as city streets have meanings, and important meanings for us - but any photographer looking to make "modern" photographs, pictures that comment upon the here and now, finds both an easier and a richer vein of material in the metropolis. Since that first image by Daguerre of the Boulevard du Temple, the street has been a natural hunting ground for photographers, especailly American photographers of the 1960s and '70s.

The key photographers at the end of the war to influence this trend were Walker Evans, Weegee and the members of the Photo League, and for them New York rather than Paris became the key city. Out of New York City came a photographic vision that was a deal rawer than the humanist street photography practised in Paris. And so, although it was never defined as such, street photography in the 1950s was very much a case of the 'New York School' and the 'School of Paris'. It would be too rude to say that they were in opposition, but cultural attitudes made for two very different approaches.'"

And from page 147: "Joel Meyerowitz's New York street pictures of the late 1960s and early '70s were in the familiar genre of the so-called New York School. There was, however, one major and crucial difference. His vibrant, complex views of the crowded New York sidewwalks were shot in colour.'"

Page 16 of Gilles Mora's The Last Photographic Heroes seems to talk around the topic without naming it as a New York School. I'll look at this when I have more time later. -Lopifalko (talk) 12:28, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

"If there was a "Los Angeles School," it consisted of such photographers as ... and could be viewed as being in direct opposition to the straight, documentary-oriented New York School." - The Pleasures of Good Photographs by Gerry Badger, page 158.

"Szarkowski ... documentary, usually street-based photography that he espoused was usually a male preserve. It was also a New York Thing. The photographers he proposed as the most important of their day — Arbus, Friedlander, and Winogrand ... American women's photography of the 1970s may be seen therefore, as a challenge to the largely male culture of straight photographic modernism, and the hegemony of New York and the Museum of Modern Art, in particular. ... what some saw as the hard-headed, macho cynicism of the New York "School" of street photographers." - The Pleasures of Good Photographs by Gerry Badger, pages 203–205.

plant a few bugs

Hi my friend. thanks of you would put some times to answer to me. could you plz tell me what the idiom "plant a few bugs" means? here examples [1] may help you. thanks a million Alborzagros (talk) 08:22, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

• Covert listening device. -Lopifalko (talk) 08:28, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! your reply helped me much. HAVE A NICE DAY. Alborzagros (talk) 08:37, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

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Manu Brabo

Given your interest in photography/photographers, you may be interested in the new page about Manu Brabo. I hope you check it out. Thank you, Crtew (talk) 21:31, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

That's a good article, thanks for the contribution and for letting me know about it. I've given it a quick look over and made some amendments, obviously just revert or discuss any of my changes you don't agree with. -Lopifalko (talk) 09:41, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

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.NET Framework version history

Although external links in the prose is unwanted, I think you should sometimes convert some of them into sources instead of just deleting them. For example, in this edit, "Support for Code Contracts" needs a source and the external link was a source. Fleet Command (talk) 09:41, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi. Invariably that is exactly what I do, but in this case, for example the "Support for Code Contracts" that you point out, is a link for Code Contracts for .NET itself, not for Code Contracts' inclusion in .NET Framework 4.0. So in my opinion that link isn't appropriate to use as a ref, as you have later done. The same is true for the subsequent link to the BigInteger Structure page. The link for "final version of .NET Framework 4.0" linked only to the download page for .Net 4.0, rather than to a page describing the release. The other links I removed already had an additional corresponding ref. -Lopifalko (talk) 10:46, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Actually, for BigInteger I changed the link to have "(VS=100)" in it, which says it is added in .NET Framework 4. As for support for Code Contracts, I added the web archive link because the current link goes to Visual Studio gallery. Fleet Command (talk) 11:18, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Fair enough. We both seem to have done the right thing. -Lopifalko (talk) 14:45, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

articulating screen

Thanks for your help with the articulating screen site. But please undo your two revisions from 24 March 2016; there you removed the slash between seemingly different camera models in quite a few places. The slash was there for a reason. These are THE SAME cameras just with different names for different parts of the world. This is common with certain camera models and brands, the best known is maybe Canon with the Rebel and the EOS names for the same cameras. There are other such examples as you could see on this site before you changed it. So, they are NOT separate camera models. You can look it up on the internet if you are not sure. Thanks again and keep up the good work. Stillbusy (talk) 23:49, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I hoped someone would pull me up on this if that was the case (I said "I am assuming these can be unmerged?"). I'll revert. -Lopifalko (talk) 10:08, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

No big deal, really. It was a good idea that you put in the columns. The site looks nicer and is easier to read that way. Taking into consideration the space that some camera models need, especially the ones with a slash between the different names, maybe it looks even better organized if there are only two columns instead of three so that each camera model has it's own line. That's of course only a question of taste. You decide. Best wishes. Stillbusy (talk) 00:04, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Institut National des Arts de Bamako - FYI

Hi Lopifalko, regarding the name of that institution I did a lot of googling and the name of it isn't exactly straightforward. I'd discussed here already. Happy to hear your take on it. Cheers. SeanMack (talk) 11:24, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for raising this, it's perhaps an improper translation. I've reverted. My preferences is usually for the format "School of Sudanese Craftsmen (now the Institut National des Arts)". I like this advice too: "Keep it simple on the alumni pages and let the debate and history be in the institute page". -Lopifalko (talk) 11:35, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

José Manuel Rodrigues

Hi Lopifalko,

Improvements are always welcome but you have drastically reduced the readability of the page, ánd the findability of desired specific data. It is also not a usual way of making lists on Wikipedia, divisions that improve the readability are common. I do not really understand why?? You have also repeatedly deleted facts to be found in the books provided in the footnotes, even though I have the books here in my hand saying the things you deleted. What are we going to do now?

Regards, Anne. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anneketanneketoverheks (talk • contribs) 18:22, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

PS. The thing I did really appreciated were the combined links with the ref name tag but now it seems to have stopped functioning: only the first cites all and the latter only the first citation. How is that possible and do you know how to fix it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anneketanneketoverheks (talk • contribs) 22:34, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi. I will have to deal with one thing at a time, but I will eventually deal with all that you have raised.

• The combined references appear to be working correctly, I have made normalised them more, take a look to see if they are still broken. -Lopifalko (talk) 09:31, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
• "It is also not a usual way of making lists on Wikipedia, divisions that improve the readability are common." – Look at any of the hundreds of articles on photographers that I and others have formatted and you will see the lists of exhibitions and publications are listed in the manner I have reformulated the Rodrigues article into. I believe a straight list works well, takes up less space than when delineated with years; and I do not see how the lists benefit from being broken up into separate years, it seems pointless, for instance why is it important for people to read them grouped by year? A few of us wrote a definitive syntax for listing photography exhibitions, on a talk page somewhere I will try to find it -Lopifalko (talk) 08:30, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
• "You have also repeatedly deleted facts to be found in the books provided in the footnotes, even though I have the books here in my hand saying the things you deleted." – If claims are made then ideally they should be backed up by inline citations, rather than a list of sources at the bottom of the article. I removed some unsourced claims of his work being held in private collections because generally photographer listings include only public collections, but I have no issue with restoring this info if you disagree. I removed the bibliography section because it appeared to be a comprehensive listing of all press articles written about him, and Wikipedia does not make such comprehensive lists, preferring instead to have just a list of selected books. I removed the list of conferences he spoke at (?) because such events are not noteworthy enough for inclusion. I remove the unsourced claims about Perspektief that were written in the style that made me feel they were copied and pasted from Perspektief's own literature. I removed the claim that "the signature under his work has changed occasionally over the years..." because that seemed pointless. -Lopifalko (talk) 11:42, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks

thanks for this article Victuallers (talk) 09:29, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

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Known vandalism?

You recently reverted my update to Contact print, claiming "Vandalism from known culprit". I find this both offensive and ill-informed. Clearly you have never done any darkroom work with black-and-white paper, or you couldn't have failed to use yellow safelights. In my entire career I have never seen a red safelight.

This is also borne out by the article Safelight. I shall update the entry to refer to this page. Please do not revert it. Please explain, and hopefully apologize for, your claim "Vandalism from known culprit". Groogle (talk) 22:56, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello. I'm very sorry about that. I reverted an edit by 190.213.10.91 that appeared to be making a sublte change to an article that did not on the surface appear to be vandalism, but from the brief research I did, did in fact appear to be vandalism. That IP had made other acts of vandalism elsewhere too. I had a few open browers tabs as I went through changes in my watch list. I then came to your edit, and because I have never used a yellow safelight, only red, I quickly thought this was another subtle but wrongful change by that IP I mentioned. I acted too quickly without thinking. I was mistaken in thinking your edit was by that same user. Sorry about that. I have used darkrooms, and never seen a yellow safelight. -Lopifalko (talk) 12:46, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Apology accepted. Groogle (talk) 02:06, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

The safelight article does not bear out what you wrote, that "normally it is yellow". -Lopifalko (talk) 12:51, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

It uses the term "amber", which is close enough to "yellow" for me. Looking here and on online shopping sites, it seems that red is more prevalent in the USA than elsewhere. But the principle remains: yellow is sufficient for black and white paper, and since it's brighter, it's more common in my experience. Groogle (talk) 02:06, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Interesting, all the safelights I saw were red. I am of course a dinosaur. Is this a hint there could usuefully be an article on safelights through the ages and territories? Perhaps there is one already. Midgley (talk) 11:57, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Further reading

Hi Lopifalko. The essay Wikipedia:Further reading says, "Some editors list sources that they hope to use in the future to build the article in Further reading. This is neither encouraged nor prohibited." That was the spirit in which I added those sources to "Further reading" on Museum of Photographic Arts. Because their placement disturbs you, I've moved them to Talk:Museum of Photographic Arts. The list is intended to be used to improve the article during the Wikipedia:GLAM/Balboa Park/Wiki Culture Crawl edit-a-thon on Friday, an event I hope you'll join in person or virtually. --Worldbruce (talk) 18:03, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing out "Some editors list sources that they hope to use in the future to build the article in Further reading," I was not aware of that, though in my opinion the talk page is a more appropriate place for storing sources for future use. It does seem appropriate for you to use Further Reading if Wiki Culture Crawl will be using them in the days ahead. I was not aware of Wiki Culture Crawl nor Wikipedia:GLAM, so thank you also for those. -Lopifalko (talk) 18:17, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Paolo Monti

Would you please be so king to explain what you mean by this?--Ymblanter (talk) 07:37, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi. You removed "by one website" from "Paolo Monti (11 August 1908 - 29 November 1982) was an Italian photographer, considered by one website to be one of the most intellectual modern Italian photographic artists." You used the edit summary "haven't you noticed that you removed reliably sourced information?". Your edit summary doesn't reflect your edit. That edit didn't remove information, it added it; it showed that the claim was being made by a single web site. Such a lofty claim requires more and better references. Your edit summary looked disingenuous, as though it was trying to deflect attention from what it was actually doing, which to me seemed to be revising / reverting the previous edit. -Lopifalko (talk) 07:51, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

First, as an experienced user, you should know that adding "considered by one website" is not an encyclopedic style. If you have doubts whether Monti is really considered an important photographer you should add a template, not re-add a personal opinion on af idiot. Second, you edit removed (reliably sourced) info that he died in Milan - which I was referring to in my edit summary which you called "deceptive".--Ymblanter (talk) 07:56, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

First, I did not know that about "considered by one website," so thank you for pointing that out. It seemed a reasonable thing to say considering the biographical inflation I see around. I was trigger happy. I am sorry. Second, I am also sorry to have wrongly attributed your edit summary – I am aware of MOS:BIRTHPLACE ("Birth & death places can be in lead if relevant to person's notability, but should not be mentioned in opening brackets of lead sentence alongside birth & death dates."). Your edit had a hallmark of deception to me, but it was not, I should have assumed better intentions and not acted in such haste. -Lopifalko (talk) 08:03, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Sure, no problem. Let me now revert your edit, and I promise to look later today for more sources confirming his notability (I am leaving right now, but will be back in the afternoon). I am also aware about the MOS issue, but taking the place of death down to the article requires altering the prose, for which I likely need more sources, may be in Italian.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:07, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

I too will also look. I see that the source we have spoken of is at La Gondola and that "He helped found the club La Gondola in 1947". -Lopifalko (talk) 08:17, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

humor

Yes, of course, but the dominant verb in the sentence was "plans": The French governement plans to evacuate the camp in one week's time. Don't worry about it, we all make mistakes. ^^ SashiRolls (talk) 22:21, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi. The part that I commented "Wikipedia is not in the business of predicting the future" about was this separate sentence: "The migrants will be resettled in different regions of France." -Lopifalko (talk) 22:29, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

::Sorry, I don't understand. That is the plan: France plans to resettle the migrants in different regions of France since the British don't seem to want to help. Right now, the plan is to evacuate the camp within one week's time starting at 7am GMT. I hope that it will go well and that it won't turn into chaos. In any case, I'll be changing the lead tomorrow, not to worry. SashiRolls (talk) 23:32, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Good edit, thank you. Sorry, I was sleepy last night! SashiRolls (talk) 07:08, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

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Thank you! ツ

Dear fellow editor,
Thank you very much for your help in improving the article I created on Clive Barda; although I had asked a couple of editors with whom I had worked before, they had given me the OK to publish the article as you found it. In particular, you helped me today by invoking WP:LINKFARM when you removed the Selected works section, as I was not aware of that guideline. Just FYI, I had included such a section after looking at the article on Henri Cartier-Bresson, which has a similar section: Notable portrait subjects, where the list of subject names is presented in columns instead of the flatlist format I had adopted. Would you therefore say that section is also a link farm and needs to be removed? Thank you for your considered advice.
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(guestbook)} 15:49, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi. I appreciate that you have a vested interest in this, having worked on it for months. It looks like a well built article - I haven't read the text yet, having only skimmed over it looking for obvious policy violations. It might be justified in removing those from the Cartier-Bresson article, I would need to think on that more than I have time for right now, in order to give my opinion. However, By my count, the Cartier-Bresson article has a total of 43 links representing the whole of Cartier-Bresson's career, where as the Barda article had 97 links just for those included in one publication, and 44 for one other publication. That seems excessive to me. I am following here in the example I have seen others make in working on biographies. To me, it seems clear that a wall of names and wikilinks is of limited value to a reader. I can appreciate that you might think otherwise. When I have more time later I will read up on the policy for this. -Lopifalko (talk) 17:35, 27 November 2016 (UTC)'

Dear colleague,

Thank you for your thoughtful and sensitive approach, but please don't worry: I want to get it right and I am grateful to you for enabling me to learn guidelines that are new to me. I agree with you that the earlier lists (of 97 & 44 links) could be seen as excessive and I am always happy to hear another viewpoint, as this is how we'll improve our encyclopedia. At some stage, I'd like to mention a few of these names in the article (maybe the real megastars like Menuhin, Bernstein, etc.) as it's now a bit strange that none of these names appear in the article. I don't necessarily wish to recreate a separate section for these, but I think we ought to have some in the Career section, rather than just the current three. What do you think?

In any case, very many thanks for your prompt and helpful reply.

With kind regards for now;

Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(guestbook)} 18:30, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

I have copied this section to the talk page of the article: Clive Barda, where the discussion has continued.
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(guestbook)} 10:29, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

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		Dear Lopifalko, I am grateful to you for all the constructive improvements you have applied to the article on Clive Barda. Thank you for all your contributions to our encyclopedia, and for all you do in support of your fellow editors. With kind regards; Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 23:25, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Pdebee! You're very generous with your words. I'm glad to have been of help. -Lopifalko (talk) 15:35, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Zoe Strauss

Hey, I really have no idea how to send a message to you thanking you for your work on my wikipedia page... which is why I'm typing this in the most random spot. Thank you for your work, not just for my page but for the enormous amount you do on wikipedia to put up accurate and informative content and to monitor it. I'm genuinely appreciative. With Love, Zoe Strauss

Also, this can be deleted asap, I just wanted you to know! Zoestrauss (talk) 16:18, 5 August 2016 (UTC) Zoestrauss (talk) 16:18, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi Zoestrauss. Thank you most humbly. I really appreciate that you made the effort to notice all that, and came here to say so. -Lopifalko (talk) 19:03, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Philippe_Echaroux

Hello Lopifalko, I started the page today of Philippe_Echaroux, you asked me for references here :

"He is credited[by whom?] as the "inventor of concept Street Art 2.0".[citation needed]"

Philippe Echaroux is the inventor of street art 2.0, credited by the profession and the press as well, known in 44 countries following his demonstration. I have put the press articles in reference below. Is it better to put them there ? The mention on its price also comes from these articles. Thank you for your help to optimize the presentation of this personality.

links citations :

• https://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/beta/u/0/exhibit/street-art-2-0-by-philippe-echaroux/ugJifN_Hhu-tIg
• http://www.lifegallerynyc.com/artists-index/philippe-echaroux-/artist-biography.html
• https://youarts.quora.com/This-is-Street-Art-2-0
• http://www.whudat.de/paintings-with-lights-new-street-art-2-0-creations-by-philippe-echaroux-15-pictures-clip/

Google : inventor of concept Street Art 2.0 = https://www.google.fr/search?q=inventor+of+concept+Street+Art+2.0&oq=inventor+of+concept+Street+Art+2.0&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Thank you for your help

--Photomaltese (talk) 19:52, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Photomaltese. Quora is not a reliable source (see WP:RELIABLE), as it is "a question-and-answer site where questions are asked, answered, edited and organized by its community of users." Life Gallery is not necessarily a reliable source, it depends which facts it is being used to support. A Google search is not a reliable source. Whudat does not at first glimpse appear to be a reliable source. The Google Arts and Culture source was written by Subagora, which "is a cooperative agency based in Paris and Barcelona created in 2004. The organization gathers Street-Artists, Photographers, Dj's, Musicians, Producers, investors and cultural entrepreneurs", so it presumably has an interest in promoting Echaroux, it is not an objective / disinterested voice. This idea that "He invented the concept of Street Art 2.0" might be something that the artist has supplied to these publications and they recounted without critique, I don't know, this artist is new to me. All of this is problematic, but I do see the article cites Le Figaro and the BBC, so at least it has that going for it. Where I indicate that citations are needed, I would hope that you or I or someone else can add citations from reliable sources in their place. I doubt that "Street Art 2.0" is actually a thing, so perhaps a statement that has less hyperbole than "inventor of concept Street Art 2.0" can be used instead? Thanks -Lopifalko (talk) 20:15, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Lopifalko,

Thank you , OK I understand. But must we wonder if the concept of Philippe Echaroux street photographer, street art 2.0 is an invention, a technique? It is his concept, new, never has anyone done so and why he is credited as the "inventor of the concept street art 2.0", by the world of photography and in the press. It made a buzz in 44 countries in 2015, worldwide recognition, in 2016, a demonstration in Amazonia of unknown portraits to support the forest.

The sources are reliable, we can not say according to our own feelings, personally on wikipedia, but to quote the press articles, without deforming them, right?

I first put the google search link without its name to find that there is no anteriority of the invention, (not to put it in reference, yes, google is not one)

Other articles indicate, describe his concept here :

in England : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-3906182/Stunning-street-art-illuminates-Amazon-rainforest-faces-tribe-threatened-deforestation.html

In the US: http://www.bbc.com/news/in-pictures-37895782

in China :http://cn.chinadaily.com.cn/2016-11/03/content_27266409_8.htm

in Germany : http://m.morgenpost.de/vermischtes/article208729781/Gigantische-Portraets-im-Regenwald.html

in France :

http://www.lefigaro.fr/arts-expositions/2015/12/16/03015-20151216ARTFIG00266--la-havane-le-street-art-20-selon-philippe-echaroux.php

http://culturebox.francetvinfo.fr/expositions/photo/le-street-artiste-philippe-echaroux-met-l-homme-au-coeur-de-l-amazonie-249525

The world of art and photography: (Hasselblad makes him his ambassador)

http://www.elinchrom.com/photographer/philippe_echaroux.html

http://www.hasselblad.com/inspiration/hasselblad-ambassadors/our-ambassadors/philippe-echaroux

http://www.street-art-avenue.com/actus/2016/11/09/philippe-echaroux-street-art-2-0-foret-amazonienne/

2013: His photos of the Dior Award went on sale for a charity gala of the Red Cross. http://www.laprovence.com/actu/loisirs-en-direct/2548675/croix-rouge-les-photos-de-echaroux-en-vente.html

2014: http://www.laprovence.com/actu/loisirs-en-direct/2778229/zidane-sur-la-corniche-lartiste-devoile.html

Sorry, I do not understand the banner says that this article has no sources? I add them all? There are many. Thank you for your help. --Photomaltese (talk) 09:01, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Lopifalko I have added articles of the press / TV in the world. (US, Germany, England, France, Brazil, Greece, Switzerland, Belgium, Poland, Norway, China ..) and holds a diploma as a specialized educator. Does it also promote awareness of disability? thank you very much for your help.--Photomaltese (talk) 01:01, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Lopifalko "conference Tedx Marseille." I deleted his video you tube, replaced by the one posted by TedX. How to write it? Thank you for your help for this page. --Photomaltese (talk) 09:10, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi, sorry, I am busy and will reply as soon as I have time. -Lopifalko (talk) 09:35, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello again. The banner said that it was an orphan, not that it has no sources.

Just because he himself names his method "Street Art 2.0", and newspapers repeat his phrasing of it as being the "inventor" without analysis, does not make him the "inventor" of it. It is more correct to say something like "he calls his method Street Art 2.0."

Hasselblad and the BBC are cautious and they do not use the term "Street Art 2.0". That term has no meaning, there was no Street Art / Street Art 1.0 to begin with, only street art. It is for more objective, reliable and critical voices to consider whether Echaroux has indeed evolved the form. Wikipedia should not be a mouthpiece for individuals but instead try to be objective.

You say "The sources are reliable, we can not say according to our own feelings, personally on wikipedia, but to quote the press articles, without deforming them, right?" – you do not understand. Please read WP:RELIABLE. We must defer to Wikipedia's policy on what is a reliable source, and not just assume that all sources are reliable, for example The Daily Mail is not considered reliable, see Wikipedia:Potentially unreliable sources. -Lopifalko (talk) 06:48, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

References

Altaf Qadri

"Talk:Altaf Qadri" Dear Lopifalko,

I was modifying / adding some information to the page Altaf Qadri but it seems that you are cancelling all the changes. What went wrong, may i know? --Altafqadri (talk) 16:00, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Altafqadri, I did not cancel "all" the changes. As I described in my edit comments, I removed:

• "award-winning" – because of WP:PEACOCK: "Words to watch: award-winning ... Words such as these are often used without attribution to promote the subject of an article, while neither imparting nor plainly summarizing verifiable information." Please instead describe the actual notable awards that have been won.
• "With his "sophisticated eye and highly effective technique", as described by The New York Times, he is among the top photojournalists in India." – because it was sourced to a dead link at The New York Times, a was very self serving quote, and added by a user going by the same name as the subject of the article.

-Lopifalko (talk) 17:41, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

thanks and request suggestions for formatting

Hello Lopifalko, thanks for your edits to Hnatyshyn Foundation Visual Arts Awards. May I ask you to take a look at the formatting of a draft I'm working on, User:Mduvekot/drafts/RBC Canadian Painting Competition. I haven't found a way to present the information to my satisfaction. I was hoping you'd have some suggestions. Thanks, Mduvekot (talk) 14:48, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi. To start with, you should have it in chronological order (WP:WORKS); and have no inline external links. It is a very long list, perhaps columns would help (I can demonstrate how if you need). -Lopifalko (talk) 15:14, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for that suggestion. I ended up using the column-float template. That worked much better than what I had. Mduvekot (talk) 19:15, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of column float, that is a big improvement. Another thing, you shouldn't have red links in See Also. -Lopifalko (talk) 23:31, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Axel Hütte

Hi and many thanks for your corrections. Regarding collection lists, I've added Colección Jumex, since it's private, but highly regarded in art world and as many other private collections is opened to public visits. I think it's worth mentioning it. Regards. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 12:24, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Magnum Foundation: Magnum Foundation Fund

Hey!

I'll create a talk on the talk page for the wikipedia entry about wording. But referring to the last edit, I think we can go with a different word that works better than 'ensure'. As far as I know from reading about the organization, they do follow up with the artists how they develop the projects to make sure they're sticking up with their proposals, but let's consider another word for 'ensure' if you feel that helps the text.

ED: Additionally, now I get what you were aiming with that edit. The wording is better like that as it provides clarity.

Praeliamf (talk) 16:14, 10 May 2017 (UTC)Praeliamf

Hi. Wikipedia cannot say definitively say that the process does ensure "a geographically diverse pool of proposals", without a source, which is why I changed it to say that the Foundation does this "so as to try to ensure...". It is the Foundation's intention, but it would need to have a source to say that the Foundation had managed to achieve that intention. Is this what you agree with? -Lopifalko (talk) 16:42, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

It seems to be the main reason why they have nominators from all over the world. They want to have an accurate representation of the different communities and experiences. For example, Alessandro Penso's project that appeared on Time was part of having an accurate representation of the migration experience, and the long form style he aimed for allowed that. But, considering it's hard to prove complete accomplishment from this intention, I like the edit you did more than the other text. On the next program I'm adding up, I'm providing a source about in situ photographic projects, but it's a different circumstance than with the magnum foundation fund grant. Praeliamf (talk) 16:48, 10 May 2017 (UTC)Praeliamf

How about this?: "The Magnum Foundation Fund is by nomination only – typically educators, editors, curators, and critics with expertise in specific areas around the globe – so as to try to ensure a geographically diverse pool of proposals." -Lopifalko (talk) 17:00, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes, let's go for that edit.Praeliamf (talk) 17:04, 10 May 2017 (UTC)Praeliamf

Magnum Foundation: History + Mission

Hey,

So, this is the mission statement from their official site: "Magnum Foundation is a non-profit organization founded in 2007 by the members of Magnum Photos. Through grantmaking, mentoring, and creative collaborations, Magnum Foundation partners with socially engaged imagemakers experimenting with new models for storytelling."

I have been a bit reluctant about including it because of Wikipedia's policy's regarding first sources, especially with organizations, including non-profits. What do you think? Should it go there with a note, or completely dismiss it?

Second, I couldn't find a complete statement where the magnum foundation consortium, which is the beta webpage that holds the archive projects, is discussed. Should it go as a note too, or dismiss it? Or, a third option, leave it as citation needed?

Praeliamf (talk) 20:40, 10 May 2017 (UTC)Praeliamf

Have a look at this as an example that seems acceptable for the mission statement: In-Public#Manifesto. Regarding the magnum foundation consortium, sorry I'm tired, if the web page is a "beta" page, beta means it is a page in development, not ready for public consumption, is that a correct interpretation? -Lopifalko (talk) 21:02, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

I just checked the beta link and it works. The thing though is that the archive and research bit in the program section does a better job developing the idea, so I placed that sentence in the history and mission as a mention of what they do and then really explain it on the program section. It's probably wiser to leave it now as citation needed until I can find a statement, report or article about it. Praeliamf (talk) 01:46, 11 May 2017 (UTC)Praeliamf

Robert Frank exhibitions (review)

Dear Lopifalko, I saw that you reviewed my contribution about Robert Frank's exhibitions, I tried to correct them once more listing also the references that I found... could you maybe take a look? Thank you! Jennyzürich (talk) 11:43, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for your fully referenced contribution. They would be improved by separating between solo and group exhibitions. Also, your referencing syntax could be improved upon, such as including the page title and date accessed (see Wikipedia:Citing sources). Thanks. -Lopifalko (talk) 11:47, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Thanks for the help! Amicoimmaginario (talk) 12:58, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. If you have any questions about my edits please just ask and I'll explain further. -Lopifalko (talk) 15:35, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Into the Jaws of Death Comment

Your recent edit of the article Into the Jaws of Death is in error. Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters the sentence "Taxis to Hell – and Back – Into the Jaws of Death is a photograph taken on June 6, 1944, by Robert F. Sargent, a Chief Photographer's Mate in the United States Coast Guard." should read "Taxis to Hell – and Back – Into the Jaws of Death is a photograph taken on June 6, 1944, by Robert F. Sargent, a chief photographer's mate in the United States Coast Guard."

Had the sentence read "Taxis to Hell – and Back – Into the Jaws of Death is a photograph taken on June 6, 1944, by Chief Photographer's Mate Robert F. Sargent, who served in the United States Coast Guard." the capitalization would be correct.

I will leave it to you to decide if you want to remove the capitalization or use the Coast Guardsman's rating title. A rating in naval terminology is the same as a rank used by officers in all services and enlisted in armies and air forces and it is capitalized when proceeding the persons name. Anywhere else in a sentence it is not. Cuprum17 (talk) 17:31, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

I reverted it. Thank you for pointing this out. -Lopifalko (talk) 18:01, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

No worries...cheers! Cuprum17 (talk) 18:56, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

John Ranard Wiki Bio

Hi Lopifalko. Something strange has happened to the Wikipedia bio on John Ranard. The box with summary material on the top right has (almost) diminished. Look at the second paragraph. It seems a mess of stuff from the top box ended up there. I wouldn't dare try to fix this and have no idea what happened. Can you help? (I have to take my computer to the shop tomorrow or next day. I may not be able to answer for over 10 days.) I am not so adept at using these talk pages. Hope this comes through. (user talk: Hsaya) —Preceding undated comment added 15:52, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi. I was just fixing it for you but it looks as though you have done it yourself. Good. -Lopifalko (talk) 16:55, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Antanas Sutkus

ah, ok. thanks for reverting me. i should have asked at the talk page instead :) TemTem (talk) 07:59, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

That's OK, bold editing is fine. The other quotes were direct from the same article but I retained your removal of them as the quote was short and generic. -Lopifalko (talk) 08:02, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Dayo Israel

Hello Lopifalko, thank for your recent contributions on the subjects Dayo Israel. I am not contesting if your edits are according to Wikipedia standard or not, i am only restructuring the page by removing promotional items for it since it was recently tagged for speedy deletion. Please do understand as am re-editing the page to reflect non-promotional and from a neutral point of view. Thanks Kaizenify (talk) 09:56, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Dayo Israel help

Hello lopifalko, thank you for all the necessary contributions on Dayo Israel and your accommodating acceptance. However, i think removing his first bid to contest for a political office doesn't satisfy the subject as an encyclopedia biography. As much as its suppose to be short and relative but the subject bid into a political office is one notable area that has enjoyed coverage from multiple reliable sources and should be included as it gives complete encyclopedia image of the subjects. Thanks once again for all your contributions, will earnestly await a reply from you. Kaizenify (talk) 12:26, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

He tried to be a candidate and failed, that does not seem noteworthy to me but if you believe it is then please add the info back and I will not remove it again. -Lopifalko (talk) 12:36, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

wow, you are such a great man/woman, very hospitable.. I wouldn't mind adopting you as a mentor. Kaizenify (talk) 13:16, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

I suppose, you said I can reverse the political bid if I want to. I did bit your reverse it back again. Thanks. Waiting to hear from you. Kaizenify (talk) 13:35, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Sorry. I'm not sure what happened there, I did click on something that brought up a screen I hadn't seen before. I didn't do it intentionally. -Lopifalko (talk) 13:43, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Hostel War

Hello, first thanks for helping. Greg Marinovich and "Hostel war" I explain this after the weekend, because RL is priority No. 1.

PS maybe I can use this link from the page by Greg Marionovich to explain the Hostel War. Best.--Maxim Pouska (talk) 09:46, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I hope we can find a better source than this, preferably from a reliable source such as a newspaper. If "Thousands of people, both civilians and combatants died in the so-called Hostel War from 1989-1995" then I am surprised Wikipedia does not have an article on it. -Lopifalko (talk) 15:44, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

I am also surprised. I try to find some better source. This was only a very fast research :-).--Maxim Pouska (talk) 17:52, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

PS hostel war:link 2- maybe only Marinovich - hi is a trained writer in the team of the Bang Bang Club can speak about it.

A second linK: Hostel War link 3--Maxim Pouska (talk) 18:15, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

PS 2 - I never stop to do some more research :-) - Segal, L. (1991). The Human Face of Violence: Hostel dwellers speak. In The Journal of Southern African Studies, Vol. 18, No. 1, March. - In the Journal of Southern African Studies, Vol. 18, No. 1, pp. 190-231, March 1991. - Lauren Segal is a former Researcher at the Centre for the Study of Violence and Reconciliation. OK now? - Hostel War a studie You can use what you like best.--Maxim Pouska (talk) 18:26, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

PS 3 I inserted the link "The Human Face of Violence: Hostel dwellers speak". Sorry I'm not used to do the perfect formatting for the reference at this time. Best.--Maxim Pouska (talk) 00:19, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

I find it of interest to read about this topic from the links you provide, and they answer my initial question as to what this conflict was. However they are not suitable for the Marinovich article as they do not mention him, they do not support the claim that he was there. Thanks. -Lopifalko (talk) 13:33, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

OK. If you looking for a citation like this, then I can use the book by Marinovich and Silva wich inline sources. He co-authored the book The Bang-Bang Club: Snapshots from a Hidden War (2000). The hostel-war is described on many pages. The book is on my desk.--Maxim Pouska (talk) 14:16, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

That sounds good. -Lopifalko (talk) 14:17, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

I do it sunday :-).--Maxim Pouska (talk) 15:31, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Sebastiano Tomada

Thanks for reviewing the article. I see you made a few changes which are very much appreciated. I also see that you are into photography as am I. You may be interested in the draft Draft:Christian Cravo which I am working on. Feel free to make edits if you like as I would love any feedback you may have. If not, that is fine as well. Cheers! --RTotzke (talk) 01:31, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

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External links to manuals from butkus.org

I was hoping you might join the discussion at User talk:Butkusmi#December 2017. He's spammed the links, and at least two ips have spammed them as well, so any that are kept should be clearly appropriate with consensus to keep them. --Ronz (talk) 02:57, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

I hadn't noticed that discussion. Thanks. -Lopifalko (talk) 07:33, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Removal of references, links and categories

Hi Lopifalko,

It's good that you are cleaning up articles (some are in a really bad shape), but unfortunately I have run into a few of your edits with which I take issue, as they are destroying carefully built infrastructure and are counter-productive:

• You were removing references with dead links without replacing them by archived links or substituting them by better references. Please don't do this. A reference remains a reference even with a permanently dead link - after all, someone in the past used it to support contents in the article, and if you remove the reference just because the link went dead, the content effectively becomes unreferenced, and in the end contents, which was once validly sourced, may be removed - even whole articles may be deleted because of this later on. Realistically, some decades in the future almost all links will become dead somewhen (even archive.org may) - and in many cases we (or future editors) won't be able to find alternative sources. Does this mean, future Wikipedians should remove almost all the contents contributed by Wikipedians so far and currently only sourced by web links rather than books? Certainly not - at some point, we will have to trust past Wikipedians that the contents was actually supported by what now is a dead link, and should consider ourselves happy that the information was at least preserved in Wikipedia. Otherwise, the whole project will be doomed to fail in the long run and all our present efforts to build an encyclopedia preserving the past and present would be pointless.

• I also saw that you are removing links to redirects if they happen to refer to the same target article (in particular, if those links are located close to each other in an article). This isn't helpful as well, as the purpose of redirects is to "abstract" such terms from the organization of contents behind the surface. While redirects may point to the same target page at present (sometimes to different sub-sections in an article), this may not hold true in the future once contents get moved around. Unlinking some of such redirects is counter-productive as a reader cannot know in advance that the redirects were pointing to the same place, and might assume that Wikipedia does not contain any information about f.e. a particular camera model if it is not linked any more. Also, removing links will make it impossible to reverse-lookup information through "What links here?" and will create invalid page statistics.

• The third issue I stumbled upon is your removal of categories from redirects, and effectively the removal of sub-categories as in the "Sony image processor" case. Redirects carrying categories are perfectly valid, if not even desired. There is no issue with categories populated only by redirects even if they would happen to point to the same article (see point 2 above). The category system is used to look up terms like in a book's index, and it is desirable that all such terms show up in them (except for spelling variants of course). So, if f.e. BIONZ A and BIONZ B are two valid terms someone may look for, they both should be listed in a category, so that readers will find the information relevant to them when browsing the category system. You cannot expect that a reader looking for BIONZ B will look up that information under BIONZ A.

Also, as a consequence of your removal of categories from redirects some categories may become unpopulated and therefore be removed at a later stage. In the Sony case, this would have the ill effect that BIONZ would no longer be found as an item in a sub-category under the Sony category (as a parent category such as "Image processors" cannot be a valid sub-category of the Sony category - that's one of the reasons why, for orthogonality of the category system, it was further split up into sub-categories like f.e. "Sony image processors", which could be made part of the various vendor categories, even if sparely populated). This would have the bad consequence that readers browsing the Sony category might incorrectly assume that we don't have an article on BIONZ at all. To avoid this, all the parent categories of a too-be-deleted category would have to be added to the redirects (and articles) unlinked from that very category by the person removing the categories from the redirect/article in the first place (as the deleting admin only sees an empty category and cannot know the former entries in order to add the categories to them) - otherwise carefully built infrastructure will be destroyed. However, if a category already has several entries, it shouldn't be deleted at all.

Thanks and greetings, --Matthiaspaul (talk) 18:14, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Richard Arentz

Lopifalko

I am writing this on behalf of Richard Arentz - photographer mentioned in the Platinum Print entry and author of the book "Platinum and palladium printing".

Dick and I are currently trying to "figure out" wikipedia well enough so we can deal with the issues he has with the use of his name there. He also wants to create a wiki page for himself. I felt it makes the most sense to reach out to you first to see if you're willing to help us.

My apologies if I'm somehow breaking a Wikipedia rule by including this information here. As a user interface person who concentrates on usability for all things related to human interaction/usage, I'm a little surprised −it isn't easier to for Dick to *quickly* make his point to the user who has been typing his name here without his consent.

I just now enabled email access here (apparently - that has yet to be tested/proven). If you like feel free to email me here and I can put you in direct contact with Dick Arentz:

jahearn@sbcglobal.net

Thank you!! John AhearnHazyj (talk) 16:43, 28 January 2018 (UTC) 510 295-8024

Hi. I can help look into whether Richard Arentz / Dick Arentz meets the criteria for an article as set out in Wikipedia:Notability (people). Please use this talk page and not email, thanks.

As for "the issues he has with the use of his name there", please note that Wikipedia is not Dick Arentz's site so it is not a requirement that he give "his consent" for his name to be added to it. I have been removing the repeated addition of his name to Platinum print under the "Major photographers using the technique" section because there were no references added to show he was a "major photographer" and nor was there a Wikipedia article to prove that. -Lopifalko (talk) 22:14, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello. I want to clear up a misunderstanding that I created, since it seems that without Dick uttering a word I've led you to believe that he doesn't want his name to be used without his consent. That wasn't my intention and it certainly isn't fair to him. Dick simply hopes that any references to his work are correct and fair.

No need for your help - we're moving ahead now with his Wiki page/article. Again, we're just getting started which is what everyone else needs to do at some point as well.

John — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hazyj (talk • contribs) 17:51, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

I look forward to it. Please be mindful of Wikipedia:Autobiography. You are welcome to ask me for help if you need it, here. -Lopifalko (talk) 18:35, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Lists of people

Hi I removed the non notable members of In-Public as per WP:LISTPEOPLE. Dom from Paris (talk) 13:37, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi I removed the non notable members of In-Public as per WP:LISTPEOPLE. Dom from Paris (talk) 13:37, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

OK, I've read that linked page and understand. Thanks for explaining. I want to add that past members are not included on the list at the In-Public site, though I understand from what you say that WP:LISTPEOPLE still means they should not be included. -Lopifalko (talk) 13:43, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

I also removed the manifesto and added the saliant point into the lead as per WP:MISSION. Dom from Paris (talk) 13:41, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Arkady Babchenko

It is the right of anyone to WP:BOLD-ly add content, it also the right to revert in accordance with WP:BRD. In order to avoid a war in editing, kindly seek consensus on the talk page. To help you along, you can tag the article with a dispute tag to gain consensus.

BTW- You have found some pretty good sources and maintained neutrality in editing. As per summary, I also said th0e guardian's previous publishing on information is fine, my dispute was merely content taken from a clearly false article. Finding another source is not going to be hard. WP:ONUS. Lihaas (talk) 05:21, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

I reverted your whole edit but the part I had issue with was your removal of "then to Israel, before settling in Kiev (Ukraine)", sourced to The Irish Times. Perhaps you removed this mistakenly whilst removing info sourced to elsewhere. -Lopifalko (talk) 05:27, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Where I said "This establishes notability. You cannot remove every ref for every source that was duped by his fave murder.", that was in regard to you removing "His writing has been compared with Joseph Heller's Catch-22 and Leo Tolstoy's early stories about Russia's 19th century Caucasus wars", which was sourced to The Guardian, and does not appear to tally with you saying "my dispute was merely content taken from a clearly false article". -Lopifalko (talk) 05:30, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Should we continue this on the page for discussion to get consensus? Migh tbe easier. I have kept content but just tagged pending better sources. Should be good in the interim? (Also as said kept articles from same source that were different, I find certain said articles pretty dubious considering the writer of that clearly did not verify before publishing)

no content was removed. This tag should also help find better sources. I think the talk apage is better in the interim to avoid an edit war. (per BRD an accomodation)Lihaas (talk) 05:47, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

"Add this again when it has happened"

Not worth having a mention of an upcoming statue in the Stik article, then, and updating it when it's installed? It got press coverage, and without that it reads like he hasn't done anything of note since 2013. --Lord Belbury (talk) 15:13, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi. Perhaps he has not done anything since 2013 then? I do not know. My issue with your contribution is that generally, unless something happens, then there is nothing to report; planning for something happening is not notable in the way that the actual event is notable. That is unless it has significant coverage in reliable sources, which would give an indication that the expectation is notable in itself. According to your source, the piece has only secured planning permission. That source, Eastlondonlines, is not a reliable source, being "an independent local news website". I suggest this information be added when it has happened. Thanks. -Lopifalko (talk) 15:43, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

You're absolutely right that the statue doesn't yet warrant a full article according to Wikipedia:Notability, but I'm not trying to create that. I'm just adding a small verifiable fact about what the artist is up to these days. There's also a press release from Hackney council. --Lord Belbury (talk) 16:00, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm not talking about a new article, but the inclusion of this info in current articles. Hackney council announcing it has granted planning permission for the piece is not an indication of the notability of the piece, first of all because Hackney council has a vested interest, and secondly because planning permission is a long way from realisation. -Lopifalko (talk) 16:07, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Notability means "whether a given topic warrants its own article". Do you mean WP:NOTEWORTHY? A council commissioning a prominent statue from a graffiti artist, rather than eg. painting over his work and calling the police, seems a useful piece of context for his work, even if it doesn't happen. The article could use more content, and I don't see how this harms it. --Lord Belbury (talk) 16:20, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

I didn't mention Wikipedia:Notability. WP:NOTEWORTHY states ""Keep in mind that, in determining proper weight, we consider a viewpoint's prevalence in reliable sources". If for the reasons you give this "seems a useful piece of context for his work" then we should look for reliable sources that mention it, and it is their attention that defines this planning permission as notable, not us. Are you able to find more coverage? Please do as you wish as I have explained what I believe to be Wikipedia's policy and will not stand in your way if you choose to ignore it, and I remain happy to help. -Lopifalko (talk) 16:36, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Into the Jaws of Death

My purpose in linking the term Higgins boat in the article Into the Jaws of Death was to help the reader understand the term Higgins boat. In the Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking sub-section 'Duplicate and repeat links', it says: Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, a link may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, hatnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead. I see no harm in having a link that helps the reader understand the term "Higgins boat". On the other hand, perhaps the term should not be used in that paragraph at all and the term "LCVP" should be substituted. My only concern was for the reader. You do what you think is best. Cheers! Cuprum17 (talk) 12:58, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi. I reverted your addition of the wikilink as per WP:OVERLINK, because it is already linked to in the previous section, "The photograph". Did you not notice this link, or do you think it requires the second link? -Lopifalko (talk) 14:17, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Ha! Missed that...some times I could hide my own Easter eggs! The article is fine the way it is now. You have improved it... Cheers... Cuprum17 (talk) 16:33, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Arkady Babchenko

Vanamonde (talk) 06:01, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Thank you Lopifalko for your encouraging thanks on edits I have made...kind inspiration from someone making far bigger contributions than mine of articles on photographers on WP. So good to know you are out there making a difference in this area of research! Jamesmcardle(talk) 02:28, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

This is remarkably kind of you to say. I appreciate it and it is encouraging, thank you Jamesmcardle! I value your own significant contributions to the topic. It's a pleasure to be of help. -Lopifalko (talk) 11:01, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Naomi Harris

Hi, I merged Early Education and Career into one section (Biography), because I added other sections after your edit. However, I can change it back if it doesn't work. ThanksAbonzz (talk) 15:44, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

It looks good. I am not a fan of small sections, despite having created it, I was being lazy in not incorporating it the way you have. Thanks for getting in touch. -Lopifalko (talk) 16:05, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your edits

		The Editor's Barnstar
		Thank you for you great edits of photography themed articles, I've started Arthistorian1977 (talk) 13:28, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Derren Brown revision

In this edit, you accepted a change which also removed the infobox image, which I think you didn't intend. --GRuban (talk) 19:44, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing that out. I must not fully understand the review process yet because it appears I accepted two revisions and not just the one. Thanks. -Lopifalko (talk) 05:36, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Would you say why you prefer the books repeated in the lede in Bob Carlos Clarke

please? (As left, the article three times gave the count, and twice enumerated them. It is not currently a long article.) Midgley (talk) 11:53, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

MOS:LEAD says: "The lead should stand on its own as a concise overview of the article's topic." From what I see currently his books are described in the lead section and are listed under Publications, which seems the correct way to present them, do you disagree? -Lopifalko (talk) 21:04, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

"6 books" is concise. Midgley (talk) 22:44, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't think it benefits the article to be that concise. -Lopifalko (talk) 05:39, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Angela Cappetta article, again.

Same problem, rearing it's head. See this edit and prev 2 please, the insistence on using the subject's own webpage/blog as a source to include info about her work, continuing to edit war over this matter. Perhaps it's time to remove the article under WP:Notability? Thanks. 172.58.225.29 (talk) 20:14, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi. I'll have a look when I next have an opportunity. -Lopifalko (talk) 20:18, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

I agree there appears not enough in the article to satisfy WP:GNG. -Lopifalko (talk) 13:50, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm not a fluent wikipedian as you are. Can you being the deletion process? Thanks. 172.58.224.104 (talk) 15:34, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

As far as the article's current state, her inclusion in 1 touring group exhibition, recipient of 4 fellowships, inclusion in 1 public collection, and all sources being primary sources, it would not appear to scrape over the bar of notability. However, this page at Cappetta's site claims "Abuelita, NYC from the project Glendalis, in the permanent collection of the Corcoran Gallery of Art Washington D.C." and that "Attached above is the letter written to Angela Cappetta from Corcoran curator Paul Roth, curator* of Photographs at the Corcoran museum of art in Washington, D.C. This letter summarized Angela Cappetta‘s contribution to the Robert Frank show London/Wales." Inclusion in the collection of a major institution and in one of its exhibitions is notable. I find no mention on the web of her inclusion in that exhibition, not even here at the archive.org scrape of the Corcoran's page for the exhibition. Photography Now tells us at least that "Both Sides of the Street also includes a number of works on loan from private collections in order to broaden the scope of the exhibition and focus our attention on exemplary prints by important photographers." Of-course the Corcoran is now closed and its collection has moved to the National Gallery of Art. Again that museum has no record of Cappetta's work held in its collection when using its search tool here, but these institutions are glacially slow at updating their records. I err on the side of expectation that these claims are true and expect that eventually WP:RELIABLE sources will be published to support them. The photo on Cappetta's site supporting the claim of the exhibition may be reliable enough to include that exhibition, I do not know. This makes me unwilling to propose this article for deletion. -Lopifalko (talk) 09:14, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Fair. THanks for your help. 172.56.35.107 (talk) 11:33, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Denglisch

(Undid revision 855312423 by Kunst Additions (talk) Please only add exhibitions when each has a WP:RELIABLE source included, thank you) bkb (talk) 17:49, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

What is the point you are trying to make? -Lopifalko (talk) 19:18, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

If or when? bkb (talk) 10:49, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the grammar correction Bussakendle. -Lopifalko (talk) 15:57, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

As I am myself prone to such errors, I see them (as usually), if others fall into the pitch of False friends. bkb (talk) 16:15, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Maybe I can help - correct is "SONNENSTAND - Sonnenstand", written on the page of the Gallery http://tristanhoaregallery.co.uk/exhibitions/. At the end of the listing. Best --Maxim Pouska (talk) 07:33, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the source Maxim Pouska, I have added it to the article. -Lopifalko (talk) 15:57, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Kojo Funds

Hi, I appreciate you disabling categories on Draft:Kojo Funds. I've been trying to explain to the editor, who created this draft (all IPs are from the same provider, I assume it's one person), as well as Draft:Lotto Boyz, not to enable them (1 2 3 4), but they failed to respond. I truly have no idea what to do in this situation, as me reverting further might come off as edit warring. Should they be reported to administrators' noticeboard? As you are a much more experienced editor than me, I would be grateful if you could share some ideas about what to do now. — bieχχ (talk) 10:48, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi. If it looks hopeless, the options all counter productive, then rather than get embroiled in procedure my angle is to ignore the categories and instead make the article worthy of publication and take it to article space as soon as possible. I have begun doing just that. -Lopifalko (talk) 19:55, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Very good job on the article, thank you. I think its ready for the mainspace. — bieχχ (talk) 21:36, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Wish

Hello. Help copy edit, improvements, add archive link for article Maureen Wroblewitz. Thanks you. 125.214.50.24 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:18, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Done. -Lopifalko (talk) 11:56, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Reply As To Overlinking

Greetings, Lopifalko. Thank you for your note of a few days ago about linking and overlinking. I had been going through articles on Wikipedia that were flagged as either link-absent or link-deficient.

I've seen the guidelines on linking, how much to link, where, and so forth. What I was linking and how much is in perfect keeping with what is regular practice here. I have over the last few years adapted my linking to the common dealings in English Wiki. My style and choices of links follow de facto standards on here from other editors. I'm just following the herd. If you noticed my edits and evaluated them in a vacuum, I would invite you to compare them to every other page and how they're linked.

The fact of the matter is that Wikipedia's standards on wikilinks aren't followed all that closely. Source: me, a regular, informed user since 2005. Suggestion: perhaps acquiescing in reality? E.g.: countries often get unnecessarily wikilinked, as with "Baseball is popular in -Canada-, -Venezuela-...". I don't do that. I would link there, if at all, as "Canadian people" or, better, "Canadian sport" as more relevant; most others don't. If I do add a link in that scenario, it's because the last guy did, and if I don't, someone else will. Another example is links in charts. Countries are often repeatedly linked there, too. I don't do that, but... most do. I'm not gonna rock the boat; I've been reverted when I do so.

I'll also list more precise, and sometimes less important, terms when the article itself is short or less than monumental. It works well that way. And remember: every reader has the option to click on a wikilink, or not. Indeed, I submit we should be offering more, not fewer, links anyhow for people to click and educate themselves from. If they don't want to learn about -virginity- or -Vesta- from reading about the Vestal Virgins, fine. But maybe they do.

I further submit my work for you all isn't pollutive or out of line. I volunteer my efforts to Wikipedia with all beneficence. I really see very little that I've done to offend the readership here, or the quality of your corpus of articles. I'd welcome a reply :) Best, Veryproicelandic (talk) 08:32, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi. Veryproicelandic, which article are you talking about please? Presumably I was applying WP:OVERLINK, which I do to many articles. -Lopifalko (talk) 09:38, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

None in particular. Your note to me regarded my editing/linking practices in general... :) Veryproicelandic (talk) 09:42, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

I have found the edits in question and re-read MOS:CONTEXTLINK and looked at the affected articles. Sorry, I was wrong in my consideration of what I at that time considered too-broad wikilinks. In haste they appeared overly broad but in context of their subject they now appear OK to me. Sorry. -Lopifalko (talk) 12:46, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Request for copy edit

Please, take a look to help copy edit since article Ehsan Sehgal was messed as I see the edit summary. Thanks. Saurusleo (talk) 07:23, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the edits to my draft

I saw you made some helpful changes to my draft for Nancy Y. Lee and wanted to thank you for that. Would you be interested in helping further review it for publishing it as a mainspace article?--FacultiesIntact (talk) 19:29, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi and thanks. I saw you ask someone else for input, so thought I'd offer a little help. However, sorry, I'm not interested in helping more because from the text so far she does not appear to be notable enough. Good luck with demonstrating notability though. -Lopifalko (talk) 19:34, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

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Extinction Rebellion

Thanks for your contribution to the article draft about Extinction Rebellion. A better use of the model to cite news would allow to display the author and publication date. Do you need help to achieve that? Also, could turn the draft into a real article today? Thanks in advance. 83.228.172.70 (talk) 14:23, 17 November 2018 (UTC).

I don't know what you mean by "A better use of the model", do you mean add author and publication date to the ref? I am using Citoid to make references automatically and have not time to manually add details it misses. You are welcome to add them. I was going to say the same to you, that we should publish this ASAP. -Lopifalko (talk) 14:31, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes, excellent, please go ahead. Thanks! 83.228.172.70 (talk) 14:36, 17 November 2018 (UTC).

Done. It now needs incorporating elsewhere appropriate in the encyclopedia so that it isn't an orphan. -Lopifalko (talk) 14:54, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Extinction Rebellion too

Hi - we appear to be working on the same article and to avoid unnecessary re-editing I will wait after any discussion to continue.

Whilst facebook is not itself a reliable source, the live video of that day is the best and most detailed record of events on Oct31 details of which I have failed to find in mainstream media reports. The media reports tend to be sparse and concentrate mainly on a few points, the high profile speakers and number of arrests, hence I have used the video as a source but included a time footnote (ftn) to allow others to easily check that the details are fairly represented.

The other ref to include a link to the primary source of the "Declaration of Rebellion" was to allow those interested in more depth to more easily link with the original text.

This is a fast emerging movement that is rapidly changing and media/public interest is growing - pageviews are up yesterday from 731 to 1,187 - I hope our wikipedia article reflects an accurate and balanced summary of events so far.

ThanksBorisAndDoris (talk) 08:25, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for your consideration. Wikipedia should use independent WP:RELIABLE sources, using their coverage to reflect what Wikipedia thus considers notable events. A raw account of the event in the form of a video, published by the subject of the article, does not conform with that principle. If the referencing diverges from independent reliable sources then the quality of the article suffers. The "Declaration of Rebellion" source did not support the claim it purported to that "An assembly took place at Parliament Square on 31 October 2018, and drew more than a thousand people to hear the "Declaration of Rebellion"", it was a link to the declaration itself. The place for that kind of link is in the External Links section, but given this is easily found at the official website then this link is unnecessary, given WP:ELMINOFFICIAL. -Lopifalko (talk) 08:51, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, I appreciate that normally we would be regard the media as the better source but without detailed reports it would seem appropriate to use other sources. For a more fully detailed reply I have continued this on the article talk page Talk:Extinction Rebellion, where I should probably have started this thread.

All the bestBorisAndDoris (talk) 12:07, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

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Thompson and Gekas

FYI, I am not a big fan of the two photographers above... if I had my druthers they would not be in any encyclopedia. I think it's good that you pushed on the source quality, as it enhances the overall quality. But alas, these two have their sources, even if they are really niche operators in the field. It's a downfall of Wikipedia in a sense that we are so general in our requirements. What we might consider to be minor contributors to the field of fine art or photography end up with pages.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 23:13, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for saying this. Also, it's useful for me to learn how the fine art photographers are accomodated here more for their sources than for other tangible achievements. -Lopifalko (talk) 15:29, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Kalliope Amorphous

What's your take on the above page? I just removed a bunch of slideshare(!), blurb and other non-rs sources.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 07:13, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

It rests on a weak foundation of lot of presumably inconsequential blogs. However there are a couple of good sources–HuffPost and Dazed. Plus the Julia Margaret Cameron Award is a notable enough award that the British Journal of Photography will have an article on a winner, though no sign yet of a record of Amorphous winning it. If she hasn't enough WP:RS to support just the claim of a fine-art photographer, then where's the meat of her career? The article lists only one exhibition, however her own site lists many. -Lopifalko (talk) 15:37, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Paul Roe

Done. Two different newspaper articles cited that confirm his relationship to Peter Roe, as well as his previous teams (even added another one). -Creativewill (talk) 16:30, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

This is good Creativewill. -Lopifalko (talk) 16:57, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Lola Alvarez Bravo

I see that you have been monitoring the improvement of Álvarez's article. Before nominating it for GA, I am working to clarify the image use. I do not think we can use the Kahlo photo, nor the one on María Izquierdo, as we have no justification that I am aware of. María Izquierdo's seems to be a copyvio upload and on Kahlo's there is no in-depth discussion of the image itself. I could not find the image itself discussed, nor even its title to include in the article. References to her work on Kahlo abound, certainly, but this particular image seems questionable to my mind without specifics to discuss in the article and justify why it above all others is indicative of her work. See discussion here, where I am trying to build a case for a couple of others that we do have information on. If you have any information that would help build a case for keeping the Kahlo image, please ping me. SusunW (talk) 23:10, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Sorry SusunW I don't know enough about Alvarez Bravo to aid the discussion on justifying any of the images and it appears you are learning well enough about NFCC. Well done for steering the article towards GA. -Lopifalko (talk) 18:02, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Well, at any rate, we have a plan for the photos and a nomination date we're shooting for. SusunW (talk) 19:17, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Paul Trouble Anderson

Hi! As the person who recently created the Colin Faver page (I've also just re-worked Norman Jay too), wanted to say thanks for creating one for Paul Trouble. Used to love his shows on early legal Kiss especially. Cheers Fusedpirates (talk) 16:04, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for coming here to say so. There is so much more that can be said about him I'm sure, it's merely a stub so far. I'm going to make some alterations to your Colin Faver article, if there's anything you don't like then please revert those particular changes or let's discuss. -Lopifalko (talk) 16:33, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

All good :) Fusedpirates (talk) 17:20, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia.

Hey, the link that is added is because it is a photographic studio. Having that link there will help people see what photographic studio looks like. It is a modern studio. It has professional equipment and spaces that will help users see what photographic studio looks like. The anchor text that says Evolution Of Photographic Studios doesn't have link that is related to the text or has any more information that lets users see the evolution of photographic studio. Thanks. It is not about nofollow link. I was providing information to users which will be helpful when they want further information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dipeshsilwal (talk • contribs) 17:28, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

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Arno Rafael Minkkinen - there is more ;)

Good morning Lopifalko,

Thank you for your quick improvements of the extensive section! Trying to pick up your idea with the column list, I tried to implement the same for the "solo exhibitions" section (which is also way too long imo). But I didn't seem to be as successful with the col-list template. Can you maybe help me out / explain a way to (quickly) move content like that into the template?

Many thanks, --RuhriJörg 06:59, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello. Thanks. Good work yourself. I have used columns-list, is that what you were looking for? I am not convinced it is still too long: the "Critical writings, essays and fiction" section may or may not be notable, as essays usually are not; "Teaching activities" is still too long/detailed. "Awards", "Solo exhibitions", "Collections" are only too long because they are unsourced. "Collections" could be removed and restored only when sourced. -Lopifalko (talk) 07:15, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

More of the unsourced private galleries can be removed from the exhibitions section. Please carry on the good work you were doing. -Lopifalko (talk) 07:36, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

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Looking for help

Hi,

I was looking for some small help. I created a new article in my user sandbox now the article stands transferred at Draft:Kithaab. The article has already received copyedit support from two Wikipedia Teahouse volunteer editors and has been recommended as complete and ready to be submitted for approval. Requesting your kind support in process of reviewing and accepting the article Draft:Kithaab. Thanks in advance and warm regards. Bookku (talk) 14:30, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi. I will have a look. -Lopifalko (talk) 16:36, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

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Discographies and sourcing

Regarding this edit to Cadet (rapper) where you removed a source for the discography section with the edit summary "No source needed". I'm not sure where you've acquired that belief from but it is incorrect, like almost everything on Wikipedia discography sections do need to be supported by citations to reliable sources. Thryduulf (talk) 17:39, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

OK then I stand corrected. Let's re-add it without the blatant "Sources:". -Lopifalko (talk) 17:41, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Chronological order edits

Thank you for editing the Chronological order of exhibitions in several of my created pages - that was a ton of work on your part having to reverse them!

I was not aware that Wikipedia requires that exhibitions be listed in the chronological order of oldest to most recent. In the US, the more "standard" format for listing exhibitions that one "sees" in most artists' CVs, resumes, grant applications, etc. is the opposite - that is most recent first... then working its way down to oldest.

In any event, will do it the approved way from now on: oldest first!

AD--Artdoofus (talk) 22:54, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Hello Artdoofus, talk page kibitzer here. ¶ Yes, the order should be "oldest at the top, down to newest at the bottom". (This is prescribed somewhere or other.) ¶ Inverting the order needn't be as painful as it first seems. Here's how I do it. Create a spreadsheet (I use LibreOffice Calc) that's empty aside from a single column at the far left, in which you've numbered each cell: "1", "2", "3" down to as many as you think you might need. Copy the offending (inverted order) list. Paste its content to the second column of your spreadsheet. Get your spreadsheet software to sort on the first column in descending order. Your second column will now be in the desired order. Copy (cut) its content; paste this to the Wikipedia article. Get your spreadsheet software to sort on the first column in ascending order; your spreadsheet is now ready for reuse. ¶ This is of course a lot faster than cutting and pasting individual entries within a list; but very possibly Lopifalko uses some process that's niftier than mine. -- Hoary (talk) 00:51, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Hello Hoary… Ooooooh! That is a great idea and process! Thank you! :-) --Artdoofus (talk) 01:16, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Hoary. And Artdoofus, an alternative method is to ask a search engine about "sort text list". You will find web sites in which you paste the list, press a button, and the order is reversed. It takes a couple of seconds to complete the whole process. Artists themselves list their exhibitions and works in reversrse chronological order becausse they want people to see the best / most recent work first. Wikipedia however has a policy of showing in chronological order (I also do not know a reference fo that for exhibitions, but for books see WP:WORKS. For most changes I have made to your articles, I have left a wikilink in the edit summary which refers to a page describing the reason for the changes I make. If you would like any more help, please just ask. -Lopifalko (talk) 06:21, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Lopifalko - I generally do follow those wikilinks as I learn my way through WP - sometimes they help a lot... in this case it didn't - but no worries... now I know the approved way and a couple of easy ways to reverse it... Thanks! --Artdoofus (talk) 01:53, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Questions on RS for artists exhibitions

Asking these questions since you have a lot of photographers' articles and I notice that you have every single exhibition cited. 1. Does every single exhibition for an artist of photographer require a citation in order to document properly? 2. In many cases I am discovering that often the only only reference is a "listing" of the exhibition in a newspaper or art magazine - are these references acceptable? The reason that I am asking is that recently someone removed several exhibition citations with the explanation "event listings are not RS" - for the record, these exhibitions were listed in the Chicago Sun-Times and the Chicago Tribune. I guess that I'm confused why an art show listing in a major newspaper is not a reliable source, as it documents the show and often other online references from the early days of the Internet are hard to find. Thank you in advance, Eric --64.26.99.248 (talk) 22:21, 6 March 2019 (UTC) Any help with this? Thanks... --64.26.99.248 (talk) 20:58, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Eric, sorry to take so long to reply.

1. Yes, every exhibition needs a citation. Ideally each should be sourced to an independent reliable source. The fact the source is independent and reliable will serve to demonstrate that the exhibition is considered notable. The next best citation is to the institution or venue that held the exhibition. This latter is a primary source though, so not as good as the above. It is not acceptable to use the subject's own declaration as a source (such as their website or an interview) for exhibitions. The same goes for the subject's gallerist. It is not acceptable to source a long list of exhibitions to a single page, listing the same, at the subject's gallerist. Demonstrating the notability of the exhibition / notability of the subject should be the primary goal of listing exhibitions, hence independent reliable sourcing. Similarly, ideally only exhibitions at notable venues / institutions would be included; which excludes most commercial galleries.
2. Your example of newspaper listings does not support the reasoning provided above for independent reliable sources, because despite the publisher themselves being independent and reliable, the listings page merely lists that the exhibition will happen, presumably at the request of the subject, thus editorial / journalistic rigour and noted opinion is not coming to bear upon the subject; a listing is not sustained coverage, it is just a passing mention. There is specific Wikipedia policy against using listings pages but I cannot find that page right now (the best I can find now is Wikipedia:Identifying and using independent sources), which is unfortunate because this is key to what you are asking.

I understand your pain in sourcing exhibitions from before the web, or even before the web was so popular — exhibitions can be hard to source from perhaps 2010, and galleries often don't keep old information on their sites. There is the Wayback Machine and Template:Webarchive for looking for archived copies of web pages; there are print magazines which can be accessed through Google Books; some galleries have archive sections to their web sites that may be there but difficult to locate. There are offline sources such as books about the subject (I am not sure if an exhibition listing in a book written by the subject would not be considered reliable in the same way a web site would be, presumably it would be considered not reliable). Failing all that, you may have to leave the exhibition out of the article.

If you cannot satisfy the above and you really want to include the exhibition then you could temporarily add any sources that are available with a Template:Better source warning. I would only use this very occasionally — an exhibition thus sourced could be removed by another editor at any time. - Lopifalko (talk) 10:21, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Angela Cappetta article, again. Again

With this edit, user 96.246.51.10 has removed all issue templates and included a photo of herself that is decidedly low quality and attributes to another user.

This is going on years now. She is clearly editing her own article using sock/meat puppets, ignoring warnings, and lainly violating the pillars. Please do something. 69.203.220.23 (talk) 13:56, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks69.203.220.23 (talk) 13:17, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

I did have a look. I removed an unsourced claim then assessed that she probably satisfies notability (Wikipedia:Notability (people) / Wikipedia:Notability (artists)), given she has awards, is in collections and there is a Vice source. -Lopifalko (talk) 11:44, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Reverted edits on Deana Lawson article

Hey Lopifalko, I have no issues with the edit revert and removing the sortable table of exhibitions - however in your revert you also deleted a few new cited exhibitions at public museums or art centers. There is a known problem with the article of COI edits, and citations from specific commercial galleries. Right now the exhibition list for Lawson on WP is primarily consisting of private commercial galleries. Can the reverted edit be modified to reflect the removal of the table but to keep the new citations and the organization of "solo" vs "group" exhibitions? Jooojay (talk) 07:34, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding. Apart from a list being more compact, I don't see value in having the list sortable by anything other than date. I will restore your citations and solo/group distinction, sorry I didn't realise I had removed those. -Lopifalko (talk) 09:04, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

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A cup of coffee for you!

Many thanks for your suggestions and approval of my first article. Setogurans (talk) 10:41, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. I suspect it was stuck in review because people were put off by having to wade through the sources looking for the independent reliable sources (IRS). That is something to bear in mind in future, because this article had so many sources that at first glance don't look like IRS — the many Haiku web sites. I found The Himalayan Times, and Radio Nepal (and AP News if you could have linked to the original page for that) had the sustained coverage in IRS I was looking for. --Lopifalko (talk) 06:58, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Parkin

Many thanks for your helpful suggestions on the article [2]. I have updated the wiki with the independent reliable sources, as requested, and would be grateful if you could take a look when you next have time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gozaimas (talk • contribs) 12:42, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I've made some adjustments and it's now ship shape. If you submit it for review again I'll accept it (I'm not sure that if I submit it, whether it will allow me to also accept it, so you should do that). -Lopifalko (talk) 19:03, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

For the future, it would have been enough to only add those independent reliable sources as references, as that was all it lacked. It wasn't strictly necessary to add the paragraphs of reception, though of-course they are a worthwhile addition, albeit they make the article a bit top heavy now in my opinion. -Lopifalko (talk) 06:46, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Move to article space listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Move to article space. Since you had some involvement with the Move to article space redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. B dash (talk) 02:26, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Anson Rabinbach page

Dear Lopifalko: Thank you for your feedback on this page. I have added several secondary sources confirming Anson Rabinbach's notability as one of the leading historians of Germany in the US: The special issue of New German Critique in honor of his work that describes his widespread influence in the field, praise from a leading historian Martin Jay calling his work "a classic of cultural studies" that has been translated into several languages, and several major fellowships and awards he has received including the top prize of the state of Austria. Additionally, Rabinbach already has Wikipedia pages in French and German—my apologies that I am new to Wikipedia and do not know how to link those to this one. I hope this is sufficient; please let me know if the page requires anything else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Collegecat (talk • contribs) 23:26, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for trying. However you have not added any independent reliable sources. The Martin Jay quote is sourced to a page at Rabinbach's publisher about Rabinbach's book. For New German Critique, your article states that Rabinbach "co-founded the journal New German Critique, which he continues to co-edit", so it is also not an independent reliable source. You did not provide a source for the "top prize of the state of Austria". There is no need to link to the Wikipedia articles in other languages, though you can do so using these templates: Category:Expand by language Wikipedia templates. Are you able to look further for sources? Perhaps the articles in other language on him have sources you could use. -Lopifalko (talk) 18:12, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Here are a couple of independent reliable sources Collegecat:

• https://www.nytimes.com/1990/12/16/books/how-we-got-that-run-down-feeling.html
• http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/57/prochnik_rabinbach.php

I moved your Anson Rabinbach into article space. -Lopifalko (talk) 08:02, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Dax (rapper) AFC

Hi Lopifalko. I noticed you moved Dax (rapper) to article space despite heavy reliance on unreliable and poor sources. I'm moving it back to draft space rather than stubbing and proding it. --Ronz (talk) 16:46, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Ronz, yes I did so because it had sources from The Wichita Eagle, Complex and Hype. As I understand it an article only needs sustained coverage from 2 independent reliable sources, is that not good enough in this case? -Lopifalko (talk) 16:50, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

I explained in detail on the creator's talk page, User talk:MrSeanyA. The article is a typical promo piece. --Ronz (talk) 17:07, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Fingertip (company), neutrality

Thank you for your review. Could you please help me understand how to make my Draft:Fingertip (company) article more neutral? I have used articles such as Wolt as a benchmark/example. I have used the following sources:

• social decision making article
• Salesforce.com article and its AppExchange page
• Newspaper articles written in Finnish and Swedish

No company releases nor homepages are used as sources.

Hi. It only contains basic business info. It doesn't describe what is notable about this company. It doesn't even describe what its "social decision making application" does. Your Wolt example is not a good example but at least achieves makes a try at all of this. This is before we even look at the sources. -Lopifalko (talk) 20:14, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Diary of Dreams: Hell in Eden

Hey! I was wondering if you could explain why you declined the page for the Diary of Dreams album "hell in Eden" that I made? You say no independent reliable sources, but I used the iTunes storage page. It is not operated by the band or anything (it's Apple) so I figured it would work. What would you consider an appropriate source for a track listing so the page (and the other two as well) being approved for creation and public access?

The Apple Music sources is inappropriate because it is just a listing, rather than a focus on the album in prose; it is also not independent because it is trying to sell the album in question. Please see WP:RS. Are you able to find a broadsheet newspaper or major music publication that has sustained coverage of the album? -Lopifalko (talk) 22:31, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Explain your actions please

Hi. I created a non-bias company page. It is a large UK based company, thousands of smaller businesses have wikipedia pages. Please explain to me why you believe it needed to be deleted?

A0987, please give me a link to the article so that I can look, thanks. The notability of a subject cannot be judged against the fact articles exist for other subjects. -Lopifalko (talk) 18:23, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

It was this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:AutoProtect#AutoProtect. Very standard company article. No bias or advertising. All facts referenced.

I'm afraid I completely disagree A0987. From what I remember it read very much like an advertisement, like a description of the company that the company would write itself, and not like an encyclopedia entry. I did a Google search and found no indication of notability (in Wikipedia's terms) from sustained coverage in independent reliable sources. If it seemed to have any hope then I would have merely declined the submission, but instead it was such an egregious example I sent it for deletion. That opinion was agreed on by an administrator who oversaw the process. This was on 15 May and I see the draft was also deleted on 14 May by someone else for the same reason ("Unambiguous advertising or promotion"). If you would like to show the sources that you would use here then we can discuss them. -Lopifalko (talk) 07:51, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

FYI

Just a heads up that I put the notability and primary tags back on the Visual Studies Workshop page, and left a note for discussion on its talk page. It's very perplexing as to why the VSW does not have good in-depth sourcing available after being open so long. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 14:02, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Please could you give me a little more feedback on David Stephenson (architect)?

Firstly, a huge thank you for reviewing this page so quickly, and I'm glad it was to an acceptable standard.

However, I did have some issues (not with you, but with the review process) which I submitted in the feedback questionnaire. If you have time to respond to any of them, I'd be very grateful and can hopefully implement any changes you suggest:

'Having my article graded as 'start' level wasn't very helpul; I need more detailed feedback if I'm going to improve it. As I have a PhD and make a living from writing, I assume (perhaps arrogantly) that there isn't much wrong with the grammar, style, lay out etc., but how do I know? And as the page I created lists all the known works of the subject, and all their key biographical details, I'm not sure what more I can add; again some feedback would have been helpful here. I appreciate that reviewers' time is limited, but I'm left with no idea how to get this, or any future articles, up to the next level.'

Hi. Thanks. You can see an explanation of the grades at Template:Grading scheme. I graded it Start class because 2 paragraphs and 4 sources to describe a person's whole life seemed inadequate, at a glance. My judgement had nothing to do with "grammar, style, lay out". I knew nothing more about the subject than what you wrote, so I did not know that it included "all their key biographical details". If you disagree with this grading then you are as welcome to change it as I am. -Lopifalko (talk) 15:55, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

I suspect that each of the "List of works" needs a source. -Lopifalko (talk) 15:56, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Ok, many thanks for this feedback. You were absolutely right with both comments. I have taken your feedback on board and spent the evening improving the page. I was lucky to have some editing assitance from a couple of experienced wikipedia editors. Should I now apply to have the grading improved? Does that happen automatically, and is it even necessary? Your advice would be appreciated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Stephenson_(architect)

Excellent work Chris Warburton Brown. I suggest you get a feel for how the grading scheme works by reading Template:Grading scheme and altering your article's grade appropriately. Usually the grading scheme is altered should someone happen to pass by and see it worth upgrading, it does not happen automatically and is not "necessary" but used as a guide in places to indicate whether the article needs work. -Lopifalko (talk) 07:31, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Feedback on draft article for Gameslanet

Hey Lopifalko and thanks for reviewing the draft I created : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Gamesplanet

I added, edited and sourced a lot more in articles to make it more notable. Would you be kind to take a second look and see if there is anything you would change ?

Thank you! MisterPatience (talk) 20:05, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.18

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hELP WITH REVIEW

Hi, can you help me with the edit of the page you just reviewed?

I have just reviewed many pages, which is it? -Lopifalko (talk)

Blossöm Records. Freeinformationfront, ask me specific questions and I will try to answer. -Lopifalko (talk) 18:55, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I fixed it with more content. Is it ready?

Draft: Luwian Studies

Hi Lopifalko. Thanks for reviewing the article on the Luwian Studies foundation. I have tried to address your concerns and I have amended the article with more references, both concerning the research topic of the foundation and the foundation itself (esp. references 15-18). I'm going to resubmit it. Let's see ... Cheers!--Alessandrom (talk) 15:30, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Alessandrom. Good. I am not sure I have time to review it right now. I would be looking at whether the sources have sustained coverage of the organisation (as is the case with the Popular Archaeology article), or just a passing mention (as is the case with the New Scientist article); and whether the Popular Archaeology site can be considered a reliable source in Wikipedia's terms or not (I see it has a staff of a number of people, so that is a good start). I would also be looking at whether the article is about the organisation and not about the subject of its interest. That is just in relation to the sources you mention, and there are a lot more than just those. -Lopifalko (talk) 17:38, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Lopifalko. Thanks again for the review. Regarding "sustained coverage of the organisation: On the foundation's website there is a long list of articles showing international media coverage back to the year 2015, when it launched (then only with a Turkish website, a year later an English and a German site went online, too). Should I add more of these reports to the references in the wikipedia article? Or wouldn't this be enough to show the public and media interest in the foundation? Cheers! --Alessandrom (talk) 17:03, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

That might be an excellent resource Alessandrom, but again will rest on whether they have sustained coverage of the organisation itself. -Lopifalko (talk) 05:52, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Draft: Tom Ajamie

hey @Lopifalko: - so my submission was kicked back for conflict of interest. You should know I was researching financial fraud which Harvery Weinstein was involved in and I found that this Ajamie person kinda set it all off. When creating the edit on the Weinstein page i realized Ajamie doesn't have an entry. Since I'm new to wiki editing I figured this would be a good place to try my had at creating an article. I don't know or have any personal investment in Weinstein or ajamie. As i dug into ajamie I found that he has been involved with tons of huge fraud cases. This reinforced my idea that he have a wiki entry. My big issue, I think, is other than the yahoo finance article I found I am having trouble finding resources that are acceptable to wikipedia. However, since this is my first article creation - i really want to make it work! At the very least his involvement with the AIDS charity amfAR into the fraud committed by Weinstein seems like it should be accessible through wikipedia before the entire history of it is archived from all the news sources. Seems like a big piece of the puzzle because his investigation into amfAR ultimately led to the feds investigating Harvey which lead to them revealing he had harassed and assaulted women. Is my line of thinking correct? I have made a few edits on pages I know more about personally this morning. Please advise me on how to proceed. I'm in contact with an admin for the Weinstein page as well and will refine that edit submission. Please let me know your thoughts.

Hi @Alphaomegaultima:. I declined Draft:Tom Ajamie because "finance.yahoo.com is the only independent reliable source of the 5 "references" linked to. Needs more independent reliable sources with sustained coverage of the subject." I put "references" in quotes because the other sources are mere profile listings for him in his role as a lawyer. Everything hinges on having sustained coverage in independent reliable sources (more than is in the WSJ article). I suggest you begin there to see if the article is tenable or not, rather than coming at it from the facts of the case that you personally believe notability should derive from. -Lopifalko (talk) 07:30, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

--Niftyrules (talk) 15:16, 22 May 2019 (UTC)== Great Job Fam ==

	Gold star
	I want to get started on the Chidi Ajaere article you proposed for deletion. Aside from that I really want to develop my Wikipedia editing skills. Niftyrules (talk) 15:14, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Review of Draft:Somenath Biswas

Thank you for reviewing the draft on Somenath Biswas. You have me toned that the person is not notable enough or does not pass the notability test of Wikipedia. I can understand why you ha e rejected the article with thos reason since many academic on Wikipedia tend to have some coverage in media. However, I would like to point out that notability in media for academics vary from country to country. In countries like India being featured by the media as an academic is very very rare and even a mention in top publication houses is a big deal.

Additionally according to Wikipedias Notable academic criteria ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(academics) ) it is mentioned that if the academic holds a distinguished position at a top institution then that also counts towards notability. In the draft I have already cited the person being a Distinguished faculty member of Indian institute of technology Goa, which is one of the top engineering institutions in India. And the person of the article also a government issued course sanctioned by NPTEL, which is cited in the draft as well. Although I might be a new editor in Wikiepdia but I am sure about the notability of the person in the article based on Indian standards.

Could you please have a look at the draft again and re-verify the person's notability according to Wikipedia's notability test? Thanks in advance. GeekDude92 (talk)

This is a blocked sockpuppet, ignore. MER-C 17:26, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Request on 09:02:38, 23 May 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Bravenewworld1984

• Bravenewworld1984 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Franco La Cecla (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Lopifalko Thank you very much for your review of my page on Franco La Cecla. I am afraid I'll have to bother you a bit more, though... As you can see, this is the third time I submit this page, so I obviously don't understand what I am doing wrong. For example, one of the references I inserted is to La Cecla's page on "Enciclopedia Treccani", which being an encyclopedia that has no relation whatsoever to him I thought would count as an independent source. Could you please help me out? Specifically, could you explain to me why the references are not OK, and give me an example of a reference that would work? Thank you very much!

Bravenewworld1984 (talk) 09:02, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Abraham Kritzman

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A tag has been placed on Abraham Kritzman requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a real person or group of people that does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

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David Champagne (musician)

Thanks very much for your review. Possibly, if you are so inclined, you may wish to look at Billy Conway (drummer), which I created today. He was Champagne's bandmate and went on to greater fame in Morphine. I also recently did another one on a Boston music figure, Joe Harvard, that has not yet been reviewed, as well as one on the band Sex Execs, which included two star producers-to-be, among others. Rory1262 (talk) 17:55, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Oman Aviation Group Rejection Reason

Dear Lopifalko,

You have mentioned that the page "Draft:Oman Aviation Group" seems to you as an advertisement rather than a wikipedia page. Can you please clarify which part do you exactly see as an advertisement? 10 different sources have been used, by comparing the ratio of content to sources, I would be inclined to say that the variety of references used (much of which are indirect and non affiliated to the company itself) would be sufficient to show neutrality. I have looked for controversies or different framing by news outlets to this particular firm, however, I could not find any as the company has only recently started. Therefore, I would appreciate further elaboration on this matter so we can together help build Wikipedia that serves everyone, not just a few.

Kind regards,

Hi. I didn't look at the sources because it firstly failed for other reasons in my opinion. Because it merely describes bare company facts; it reads like an advertisement for the fact that "it is seeking $6 billion in investments"; and predominantly my issue is with this paragraph: "Oman Aviation Groups aims to play a pivotal role in diversifying Oman's Economy and contribute to the value chain by linking aviation, tourism and logistics across the Sultanate. The Group's vision is to become a catalyst for growth by enhancing efficiencies, boosting revenues and increasing Oman's trade sector. The Group works toward positioning Oman as a strategic hub and a world-class destination among international travelers", which reads as though it is copy and pasted from corporate literature. -Lopifalko (talk) 14:45, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello,

Thank you for your elaboration, this is very helpful. I will remove those particular sentences and sections from the article. Meanwhile, for a company that has only recently been established, it would be difficult to find information other than merely facts that describe the nature of the firm's work but I will take out what seems to be more of an advertisement as this is not my intention.

Great. Fth55431, I recommend your best course of action is to remove that whole section because the language is vacuous / not encyclopedic. Good luck. -Lopifalko (talk) 15:05, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Dear,

Thank you again for your comments. I have made all necessary changes you asked me to do. However, the page has been rejected again on the basis that it only has brief mentioning. I kindly would like to seek your support in understanding what exactly are you expecting to see? I also would like to understand the differences between this particular page and other company pages that have been approved, such as: Aerfer, CFM International, Aeritalia and IMAM (Industrie Meccaniche e Aeronautiche Meridionali). I am finding difficulties understanding how those pages got approved (some of them with 0 references) and much less content while this page does not.

I kindly seek your support in knowing if you have a predetermined decision not to approve my pages regardless of the amount of changes I make, so we can both spare ourselves the effort and time.

Kind regards

Fth55431, did you read WP:CORPDEPTH? It tells you everything you need to know. It explains the reason why the sources you cite are unacceptable to base an article on. I am not going to decline the article no matter what you do, but the review considers the article in light of Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) and only on that basis can it be judged. I suggest you read all of Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) as it will explain exactly where you are going wrong. It does not matter if other articles exist that have somehow managed to get past the notice of other reviewers, that does not mean that this article should escape review. Those articles should and will be considered independently and if they are found to be lacking sources then they can be dealt with. -Lopifalko (talk) 15:04, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Mustafa Alhinai

Dear Lopifalko,

Can you please elaborate a little bit more about your specific issues with this page? You have mentioned that the page has poor references, however, by looking back at the references, I see a variety of them that extend from bios to news outlets that are international and local, such as, Bloomberg News, Arabian News and Shabiba News. Furthermore, could you please explain which sections/sentences do you feel that are advertisements rather than wikipedia content, as I would be happy to eliminate those?

Finally, I kindly would like to ask you how this page in particular differ from the many pages about CEOs and notable business figures that can be found on wikipedia? I mean try opening the following pages: H. Lawrence Culp Jr. (CEO of General Electric) and Amin H. Nasser (CEO of Aramco Company). I can hardly see anything on those pages other than bio information so what is the real difference, if I may ask? If you have made up your mind not to approve this page regardless of the changes that I do, please let me know so I stop putting further effort and close down my account, as it would save me, and probably you, so much effort and time that is wasted for something that we both do not get paid for I assume.

kind regards,

Fth55431, with regard to your sources, .topceo.me, dhow.com and ifstd.om are a bio / like a CV; decypha.com barely has any words at all; arabianbusiness.com is just a passing mention, and from what I recall the BLoomberg video is him talking about himself. None of these are appropriate sources. Please read Wikipedia:Notability (people). Also read Wikipedia:Notability, in particular WP:GNG which states "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

Just because other pages exist that have faults does not mean that new pages can be added with the same faults. Lopifalko (talk) 15:06, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Edit biography review

Hello Lopifalko,

Thanks for all the works you do especially with the review of most of my creations. Thanks huge. I am editor from Nigeria who recently focus on a new project of creating articles for various deserving individuals from Nigeria and starting with the technology space. Will enjoy more of your review in future creations as well.. Thanks again and I appreciate your work. Kaizenify (talk) 14:19, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Philipp Fröhlich

Hello Lopifalko, thanks for your corrections of my article. I have added the missing citations for individual exhibitions and group exhibitions and made a couple of changes to the text. Could you have another look at the article, when you have a moment of time? Thanks again! Best.Quintiliano Cruz (talk) 09:40, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Done -Lopifalko (talk) 10:45, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your help! Best, Quintiliano Cruz (talk) 12:55, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

I would never vandalize Wikipedia!

I just want to let you know that an article I just created, How dare you remove the photo!!!!!, is NOT vandalism because it is not disruptive using profanity. 99721829Max (talk) 18:42, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

PHP Mussel

Thank you for your message about PHP Mussel. Some of that is a good reference. e.g: packagist.org, phppackages.org. It's a popular PHP library then has developed more 4 years. Rabin.r (talk) 12:22, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

@Rabin.r: packagist.org phppackages.org do not look like reliable sources. Please read Wikipedia:Notability (software) to learn about what makes a reliable source for software and what makes software notable. -Lopifalko (talk) 12:27, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

@Rabin.r:Please also note that with regard to Draft:Max Base, you cannot have inline external links in an article. -Lopifalko (talk) 12:38, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

@Lopifalko: Can you guide me? By apply a change to 2 items of the table?, Thank you. Rabin.r (talk) 12:41, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

@Rabin.r: Sorry I don't have time. All I can do is offer suggestions. You can ask for help at the Teahouse though. -Lopifalko (talk) 12:44, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

@Lopifalko: OK, Thanks to you. I should search to find more source for phpMussel.

At now, You can check the "Max Base" article? The "User: Rambin" has been helping to add some reliable and official news as a source... Is this ready to publish? Rabin.r (talk) 15:13, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Some falafel for you!

Thank you for friendly behavior. Rabin.r (talk) 15:15, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Your edit of Savvycom

Thanks Lopifalko for making the Savvycom better.

I will add more trust-worthy references for this page as you recommended. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HaiNH1993 (talk • contribs) 09:27, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

PHP JSON Parser

> The Manuel Lemos recommendation is not notable enough.

The Manuel Lemos is the owner of the PHP Classes repository. (First Rank in the country)

Sources :

1. https://packagist.org/packages/basemax/jsonparser
2. https://www.phpclasses.org/package/11110-PHP-Encode-and-decode-data-in-JSON-format.html
3. https://www.phpclasses.org/winners/year/2019/
4. https://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/813-Notable-PHP-package-PHP-JSON-Parser-Class.html
5. Twitter message...

Please again check the article... Rabin.r (talk) 10:41, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

• @Rabin.r: If you want to add it back then go ahead. I removed it because it was sourced to a Twitter message, which is not a good enough source. I still believe that even if the software is recognised by phpclasses.org, it still needs more and better sources, please read Wikipedia:Notability_(software)#Inclusion. -Lopifalko (talk) 13:18, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Move PHP JSON Parser

I suggest moving to "JPOPHP (PHP JSON Parser Object)"

Reason: Put the full name in the parentheses and use short names at the beginning of the title ...

> You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reason. because the title "JPOPHP (PHP JSON Parser Object)" is on the title blacklist. Rabin.r (talk) 10:50, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

• @Rabin.r: I don't have permission to make such a move either. "is on the title blacklist" concerns me. -Lopifalko (talk) 13:19, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

PHP JSON Parser

Pay attention to PHP JSON Parser. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrNewWritter (talk • contribs) 10:46, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

• @MrNewWritter: I was happy to work on the Seyyed Ali Mohammadiye article (which I now see has since been removed) because there was ample independent reliable sources to support inclusion in the encyclopedia, but I do not see these software articles having notability and I am not so interested in their subject matter. -Lopifalko (talk) 13:24, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

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@Kudpung: Thank you. -Lopifalko (talk) 14:07, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Request on 13:30:44, 18 June 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Matzelan

• Matzelan (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:E!DAL (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Could you please provide guidance how to resolv the issue "Has no independent reliable sources, sources are primary.”. The article draft for Draft:E!DALwas contributetd by authors of the described software. With a seed article, provided by the software authors, we could attract independent editors to improve. Could this be an model? Thanks!

Matzelan (talk) 13:30, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

@Matzelan: Hi. No that is not a good model. It is recommended that the subject becomes notable enough that someone independent of the subject writes the article. That is Wikipedia's preferred model. Please read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. The article's sources are 2 papers written by the authors of the subject of the article. To understand what is meant by independent reliable sources, you need to read WP:RS. -Lopifalko (talk) 15:24, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Uploading Photos to Wikimedia Commons

Hey Pete! Saw your tweaks to Lar Duggan which led me to your log where I saw your note about uploading photos to Wikimedia Commons. I have a question about photos to WC and am hoping you might be able to assist because I've had quite a bit of trouble with this.

I tried uploading photos that Lar had sent to me, unsuccessfully, so I instructed him on how to handle himself and provided him with the WC permissions email address. He did so and the photo was allowed...until it was removed at some point a couple months later. I finally just got around to trying to get the photo reinstated, but my appeal was denied with a note that it could take 186 days or something. I also tried uploading a different photo for a different page, but the WC automatic form immediately denied it, with a cryptic note that it was unoriginal or something along those lines. It was not -- wholly my own work.

Anyway, I understand the Creative Commons license, but I've found the WC photo guide to be insanely onerous and don't even begin to have time to read through all the machinations of what I should/could/need to do to upload/revise/fix etc. Lol...ish (and apologies if you've had anything to do with writing it)!

Would you be so kind as to provide some guidance on the process of uploading original photos so they're accepted...and then if there's a way to upload the photos of others that those people have allowed you to use?

Much appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alwayslearnedstuff (talk • contribs) 15:52, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Advert tag?

Hi. I looked at your advert tag, and the underlying article, here [3], and was perplexed. The article is nearly entirely the bland descriptions of education, work, etc. that one would always see in a professor article of normal size. To the extent it goes beyond that, and discusses books written and Reporter work, it is normal, cited to RSs, non-advertising material. I wanted to remove the tag under WP:WTRMT, but wanted to drop by here first to chat. --2604:2000:E010:1100:C5DD:9E96:ED65:6310 (talk) 18:13, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi. Apart from the one sentence "At the 2016 annual meeting of the American Law Institute its members overwhelmingly rejected a proposal..." the whole article describes routine career details that one would have on a CV (hence the advert tag). "books written" is still CV material. It's not to do with the sources. It's the lack of critical analysis, what others have said about him. The sentence I quote above is a good example, but wasn't enough for me. Perhaps I'm wrong but thus far I have taken my cue for what constitutes advertising from WP:G11: ""promotion" does not necessarily mean commercial promotion: anything can be promoted, including a person". If you disagree you're welcome to do as you wish. -Lopifalko (talk) 19:52, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. As you offer, because I disagree I will remove it. But given that you were nice to discuss this nicely, I should tell you why. First, what you pointed to is entitled "Unambiguous advertising or promotion." I would see there is certainly at best ambiguity. Second, what you pointed to applies to pages "that are exclusively promotional." I do not think this meets that. Third, what you pointed to says "Any article that describes its subject from a neutral point of view does not qualify for this criterion." That is the case with this bland factual listing of schools and titles and books etc... which are all NPOV factual information. Finally, while "promotion" does not necessarily mean commercial promotion, and a person can be promoted, as you point out, it still has to meet the meaning of promotion, which is publicization ... so as to increase sales or public awareness. This isn't doing that anymore than it is "promotion" to list the history and per capita income and population of Bangladesh .. those are just standard facts found in any encyclopedic entry. They are not seeking to sell Bangladesh.2604:2000:E010:1100:E588:609C:5AC2:45C4 (talk) 06:01, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

I was only pointing to that one sentence in CSD:G11 that inspired my thinking. I certainly was not of the impression the article satisfied CSD:G11. Actually what I should more correctly have tagged the article with is Template:Like resume. I suggest we switch the warning to that, what do you think? -Lopifalko (talk) 06:06, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Contesting addition of section to Squarespace page

Hi. I work for Squarespace. You previously collaborated on the page with my colleague here. An IP editor recently added a dedicated section citing blogs in order to add descriptions of competing products. As I have a conflict of interest, I was hoping you would consider reverting them, if you agree that the content is inappropriate. Ahrimnam (talk) 20:15, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

@Ahrimnam: Yes, a flagrantly inappropriate contribution. -Lopifalko (talk) 05:57, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

A late thank you for clearing up external links on Redfish (specification).

@Lopifalko: Thank you for removing the in-line external links and the associated flag from the Redfish (specification) page on 2 May 2019. I had misunderstood; I was thinking that the template referred to links in the "External Links" section. Your work is much appreciated. GGSloth (talk) 18:48, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. -Lopifalko (talk) 22:28, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

your wikilink

Dear Lopifalko, the Hunter Color School is a special movement. I cannot - from your article on Joanna Pousette-Dart - see that she belongs to this group. Could you please add a link that proves the fact? Thank you in advance, --Gyanda (talk) 13:57, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

@Gyanda: I added a wikilink only, not the name, to a number of articles just now. Which article do you mean please? I know little about this artist, nothing about which movements she does or does not belong to. -Lopifalko (talk) 14:01, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Then the wikilinks were wrong - as you inserted it, it looks as if she has been part of the Hunter Color School, which she is not. Thanks for answering me!

I'll check on this and will let you know, I'm not so firm with all the members of the Color School, okay? Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 14:06, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Sure. Do as you see fit with the name/link. -Lopifalko (talk) 14:09, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Dar Lopifalko... i found this article on hyperallergic.com which counts her as part of this Hunter Color School, so we have some reference now. Quote: "Someday — hopefully sooner than later — an enterprising young curator will organize an exhibition in New York under the rubric, “Hunter Color School,” which will include Doug Ohson (1936–2010), Robert Swain, Vincent Longo, Joanna Pousette-Dart, and others who have taught there." - source: https://hyperallergic.com/395355/gabrielle-evertz-sanford-wurmfeld-polychromy-minus-space-2017 - Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 20:13, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

@Gyanda: I still don't know which article I have added this wikilink to. -Lopifalko (talk) 02:59, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Lopifalko, you didn't add the link, you just "wikified" the name of Joanna Pousette-Dart in the articles on Gabriele Evertz and Robert Swain. All is fine. Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 10:15, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Bernd Grimm

Hi, Lopifalko, how nice of you to work on it. Thanks :-). Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 20:16, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

@Gyanda: I saw your message about looking for a review at The Teahouse or somewhere. I looked over your other articles too. On second thoughts I've been wondering whether I should have put warnings on each specific section that had unsourced claims, such as exhibitions and collections. However I decided to leave them where they are, as the intention is to draw your attention to the fact each needs a source. Better to temporarily remove specific exhibitions or collections until they can be sourced. Please feel free to remove the warnings when you've dealt with the issues, or even before if their unsightliness bothers you too much. -Lopifalko (talk) 02:57, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

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New Page Review newsletter July-August 2019

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your behaviour

Dear Lopifalko, i asked you one question concerning a wikification of a name - and you go through ALL MY ARTICLES and critize them everywhere and put your signs on it? I find your behaviour really strange and i don't get, why you do this. I really am shocked by this extremely unfriendly answering of ONE QUESTION i asked you. In terms of toxic behaviour, which seems to be a big issue on the english wikipedia as i have read, i'm really shocked that this is your reaction. But nevertheless, i will of course update all info i give in the articles, but your behaviour could really be named revengeful. I'm not used to get such reactions, if i ask a question and, please be sure, i will never ever dare again to ask you something. Wow, you use your power well :-((((((((( --Gyanda (talk) 21:39, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

@Gyanda: I am very sorry you perceived my behaviour this way. It was not my intention to be anything but helpful. From my perspective, you were kind so I thought I would return the kindness: I saw you asked at The Teahouse for a page review ,so I gave your article a review, positively. I then went on to each of your other articles and worked on them, in order to be helpful, making various positive alterations. I also put warnings where I thought they were needed, with the intention of indicating to you where I thought they needed work, so that you could improve them. This was genuinely done out of thinking I was helping. I explained this to you (above) on this talk page on 26 June: "I looked over your other articles too. On second thoughts I've been wondering whether I should have put warnings on each specific section that had unsourced claims, such as exhibitions and collections. However I decided to leave them where they are, as the intention is to draw your attention to the fact each needs a source. Better to temporarily remove specific exhibitions or collections until they can be sourced. Please feel free to remove the warnings when you've dealt with the issues, or even before if their unsightliness bothers you too much." I am happy to remove the warnings if you think I went too far. -Lopifalko (talk) 05:17, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Let's look at all the changes I made, which includes both what I consider unambiguously constructive edits as well as adding warnings:

• In this edit I fixed the section order and removed an artefact
• In this edit I added the "BLP unsourced section" warning about the unsourced collections
• In this edit I merged 2 external links sections, fixed the capitalisation on a heading, and added "citation needed" to each of the unsourced collections. I admit it would have been neater to add a single warning about citations needed for the whole section, but I thought it better to point out the exact items that needed sources. I have now changed that.
• In this edit I fixed the section order and added a "BLP refimprove section" warning to the collections section
• In this edit I fixed capitalisation on the section headings and added 3 individual "citation needed" warnings
• In this edit I fixed the section order, fixed heading capitalisations and added 3 individual "citation needed" warnings
• In this edit I added a "BLP unsourced section" warning to the unsourced section -Lopifalko (talk) 05:42, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Dear Lopifalko, one should perhaps not write something in the middle of the night... i must excuse myself for what i had written... it was just so shocking for me as the warnings threaten me (i'm easily threatened unfortunately) and I felt at high alert to correct all the things you mentioned in a minute... It's terrible to be so easily threatened... as said, i just didn't understand, why to put all these warning-signs on my articles, it felt as if everything i did was wrong and i felt the urge to better this in a minute, i started to put referencelinks on articles, but couldn't get it all done yesterday evening - i'm working on it today as well. I know in the english wikipedia warnings are not perceived as such a problem, lots of articles have them, but for me it felt like real horror of "you did it wrong" - and therefore i was just in shock...I'm sorry that i wrote to you the way i did and i'm thankful for your friendly answer. As said, i'm working on to get the referencelinks, which were missing! Sorry again for my text.

I just noticed that the warnings concern almost all old articles of mine, when i didn't know yet all the details of how wikipedia works. I try my best to find references. LG, --Gyanda (talk) 12:35, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
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Editing My Page (Matthew Kenslow)

Hi, Pete Boyd,

Thank you for taking the time to edit my draft of "Matthew Kenslow". I apologize for all the edits you're making; you can tell I'm a novice. I figured I just had to add as much sources and links as possible for Wikipedia to accept it. I'm not sure how, but I definitely profess that everything in Matthew Kenslow's article is true; I can testify to that. Thank you again, but apologize for all your hard work - but I appreciate it. Can't wait for it to go from 'Draft: Matthew Kenslow' back to the official 'Matthew Kenslow' :)

Hi. I'm happy to help. Links, definitely not; sources, it's all about their quality, that they're independent reliable sources with sustained coverage of the subject. Other editors and the reader are only able to judge if claims are true if they are supported by either disinterested secondary sources for most claims, or in the case of only basic facts then by primary sources. -Lopifalko (talk) 18:20, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Okay. So is there anything else I should do? Is there still editing needed for the article? Is it probable that it'll be made official soon?

Thanks and sorry for the consecutive questions. Have a good weekend, Pete. BiochemistryMajor2016 (talk) 22:15, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Do you have 2 independent reliable sources with sustained coverage of him (not even an interview with him but independent coverage of him)? Without that it cannot be allowed in main space. With them, you can include claims about him that are supported by those sources.

You might find it easier to learn how Wikipedia works by writing an article about a subject that you aren't so closely associated with and for which you can find reliable sources for before you begin writing. That way you know what you can include in the text before you begin writing. -Lopifalko (talk) 06:54, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Okay. So would a newspaper article be one of the reliable sources? I referenced an article from the OC Register. If so, I have one so far. Just out of curiosity, what about referencing Matthew Kenslow's book? I guess that wouldn't be an applicable source though. Here is an online magazine published by St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church that interviewed him, which might be another reliable source: https://issuu.com/standrews/docs/connections_2012summer?e=1070953%2F36948906&fbclid=IwAR2pUc15ZTPt1NfyS_5a3B6DjfrTOy3WZNW0-6ouDSDL1iBLzAIwh0XciDY. And here is another article I found: https://ochairpolice.com/2014/04/21/matthew-kenslow-october-in-it-to-win-it-honoree/ If not, I can keep researching. BiochemistryMajor2016 (talk) 16:45, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

@BiochemistryMajor2016: Yes OC Register is one. Kenslow's book is a primary source, so can be used to source basic facts nut does not count toward notability (Wikipedia is not so much concerned with what the eubject says about themselves, but what others say about them). The St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church publication is written by Kenslow so is a primary source. ochairpolice.com does not appear to be a reliable source, being a Wordpress blog. Your article has a _lot_ of information to source. -Lopifalko (talk) 06:03, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Okay. I kind of understand. A lot of what went in this article were mostly primary sources then - things that I know of Matthew Kenslow, especially based on his book, what he wrote, and what's on his social media. That's why I put a lot of stuff, but find it impossible to source if social media doesn't count. I can, however, vouch and testify under oath that everything is correct though, but that probably isn't enough. _However_ the introduction is nearly word-for-word from what anybody can find when looking up his book on Amazon.com, Barnes & Noble, Walmart, AbeBooks, etc. I originally cited the links. That's what his publisher, Axiom Press, put up while sending it out through Ingram Distribution. _Also_ almost all of the "Having Asperger's Syndrome" section of the draft is word-for-word from those aforementioned websites, in which I originally cited. Again, his publisher put those up there and if readers click on the hyperlinks, it can take them to the website to confirm its validity. As for the other sections, those are just primary sources that one can confirm/validate through reading his book, watching his YouTube videos, going on his social media, or talking and getting to know him personally. If those things are still a hindrance, are you able to delete or 'hide' what you feel is necessary and keep what's okay? (At least to kickstart a basic Wikipedia page?) And one last thing, you written "→‎Personal Life: Add source author" in the draft's edit summary. Which part of 'Personal Life' is that so I'd know and do proper citing? Thank you.

@BiochemistryMajor2016: The reason every significant claim has to be sourced to an independent reliable source is so that it is fact checked, and as a means of judging what it is about the subject that is important. The article cannot live in mainspace unless it has 2 such sources. So far it only has 1 from what I recall. Even things Kenslow says about himself in an otherwise reliable source cannot necessarily be used, as that area becomes primary source. You need to remove everything from the article that is not covered in the reliable source, apart from for example the school he attended, his date of birth, etc, in order for it to fly. It is far too detailed for Wikipedia anyway. As for me doing that for you, sorry no, this is your article. Regarding my edit that you mention, you can use "View history" and "Compare selected revisions" to look at the change I made in the edit you mention; you will see that I added to the ref that he was the author of the article about him. -Lopifalko (talk) 06:57, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Okay, I completely understand. Quoting from a favorite movie of mine, I have some serious editing to do, lol. I'll take and heed your advice. I'll retract the things that are missing proper citing and wait till a reliable source appears on the internet sometime in the future to append them - perhaps in a future article of some sort. I will probably do such retractions soon when I have time and see what you say after that; just look out for my next edit/changes. I hope you don't mind any questions that might come during this, if any, but I'll try not to keep bombarding you with them. Thank you so much for taking the time you have spent helping me :)

No worries, happy to help, ask whatever you like. -Lopifalko (talk) 07:15, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

@Lopifalko: - Since my last edit here, a user CommonsDelinker deleted that profile picture of Matthew Kenslow, but that is my own picture and I own all rights to it. Can you please have it undeleted; I know you didn't delete it, but can you undelete it. I think this user completely deleted it, but I own it and that's not fair of CommonsDelinker. Anyway, besides that, I thought I'd let you know I recently retracted about a third of the article - the things that aren't cited. And I found another online OC Register newspaper article about him to be a second credible source. I kept what I believe what you said were okay (i.e. birthdate and schools attended); other than that, I took out tons of stuff that I cannot cite. Hope this works and is ready to be an official article. The other small paragraphs I kept were the ones I cited from the book with the page numbers. BiochemistryMajor2016 (talk) 16:58, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

@BiochemistryMajor2016: Hi. Just to respond to one of your points for now, I cannot restore images but see Wikipedia:Guide to image deletion#Undeletion requests. -Lopifalko (talk) 17:59, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

@Lopifalko: - Okay. Thanks. I just reuploaded it all over again and it's back. BiochemistryMajor2016 (talk) 21:55, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

@Lopifalko: Whenever you have time, I'm curious if that second article about Matthew Kenslow works to be the second required source. Thank you, Pete. And anything more I should still take out, or is everything okay to stay in a main Wikipedia article? BiochemistryMajor2016 (talk) 09:19, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@BiochemistryMajor2016: I have hacked away at it in what is hopefully a meaningful way. It does not describe Notability would appear to rest on 2 of the 4 Orange County Register articles (here) as that is the only independent reliable source with sustained coverage of the subject. If you put this forward for mainspace I predict it will be removed as it needs to satisfy WP:GNG or WP:BIO. This appears to be WP:TOOSOON. -Lopifalko (talk) 10:36, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@Lopifalko: Well, thank you so much for all the work you put in. I reviewed your edits and the current draft. I'm very quite appreciative for what you did and for helping with the placements of footnotes. It looks more like a proper mini article now than what I originally had. I also noticed the "citations needed" and the deletion of references of the future; I understand what you said above in your last reply regarding that. Here is my question, if it's put forward for mainspace, and your prediction is correct, will it be completely deleted, or revert back to the "draft" phase as it is now? And, whether it does get removed or doesn't, I do intend to add and cite in future months and future years, as I'm sure more reliable sources/articles would be written by then. For now, what you've done does indeed look proper and I thank you once again. BiochemistryMajor2016 (talk) 20:53, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@BiochemistryMajor2016: Thanks, you're welcome. Whether it gets deleted via WP:CSD, or reverted back to a draft, would depend on who reviews it. Both are appropriate responses, with draftifying obviously being the more sympathetic. -Lopifalko (talk) 06:59, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

@Lopifalko: Okay, thank you. I'll just wait a while for more sources to come in and save them on Document Word. Once there's a few whom I feel credible, I'll go and add them to the draft and let you know about it to ask you if it's ready for main space. Thank you again for all you did and continue to do. Until next time. BiochemistryMajor2016 (talk) 07:51, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Request on 18:30:52, 29 July 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Tradelady2

• Tradelady2 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Judith Dwan Hallet (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

In the draft article for Judith Dwan Hallet, I have added sources for several of her Awards and updated the source cite for her Archives. Thank you for your comments. I am making an effort to add articles on women I think are underrecognized.

Tradelady2 (talk) 18:30, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

@Tradelady2: Hi. I have looked through some of your refs for an independent reliable source with sustained coverage of her and haven't found one yet. I will look more tomorrow. -Lopifalko (talk) 20:49, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Mike White page

Thanks for your help! Tahatai (talk) 05:58, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

@Tahatai: Thanks for stopping by to say so. Apart from A moral truth : 150 years of investigative journalism in New Zealand which I do not have access to, and coverage of him winning awards, there is no other independent reliable source with significant coverage of the subject, which I recommend looking for. Interviews do not count toward a person's notability. I found this and this but figured they're probably not reliable sources. Also, I don't think this is enough sourcing with which to say "one of New Zealand's top journalists". -Lopifalko (talk) 06:12, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi I will look for further references; I know they exist. Many thanks for the heads up Tahatai (talk) 06:19, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Dax (rapper)

Hi. I just wanted to let you know why I had changed the listas parameter in the talk page for Dax. If (rapper), Dax is used as though rapper is a surname, it will sort the page under ( [a parenthesis] in the various categories where the talk page would appear. Since his commonly used name is Dax and that name is what is used for the article and talk page, it would sort under D [Dax (rapper)]. Another example of this would be 3rd Avenue (band); I don't think (band), 3rd Avenue would make any sense and that talk page would sort under the parenthesis as opposed to 3rd Avenue (the title of the article and talk page); I hope this is a clear explanation. Thanks, --FeanorStar7 10:48, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Narail Express

Hey, I hope you are fine. You redirected narail express Foundation to Mashrafe. I added 4 links. There have many news on internet. I just created this article, it will be improve future because other user edit this. please help me, I am not an experienced user in Written article and revert to narail express Foundation Rasi56 (talk) 17:45, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

@Rasi56: I have reinstated it, please go ahead and addindependent reliable sources? Thanks. -Lopifalko (talk) 18:13, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, every sources have his name because it his Foundation and it is well known Foundation in Bangladesh.there have many sources specially Bengali and english.His foundation is independent well known foundation.

See this link [4][5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11], see this links!

This Foundation activities

But I am not well in written.If any admin help to improve this article it will be better.Or any Bengali admin translate news in english it is also better for this article Rasi56 (talk) 18:40, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

@Rasi56: You need to add these sources to the article, not to here. Thanks. -Lopifalko (talk) 19:45, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

@Lopifalko: this is all Bengali source can I translate in english then add?

I will just add many link related to possible, if someone help to write this article it will be better. Again thanks! Rasi56 (talk) 19:52, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Just add them as they are, however English-language sources are better as then we can understand whether they are reliable sources are not. -Lopifalko (talk) 19:56, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes bro thanks for help ,but what is copyvio violation? All are verified and leading news paper of Bangladesh, if they use same news then what can I do. In this news there have some goals about this foundation which is declared in the news just like : "Narail Express” foundation will work for fulfilling various spcio-cultural agenda. These include enhancing civil facilities, emphasising on specialized education system, introducing humane education at schools, eradicating unemployment, increasing cultural activities"....... you removed this, I just eager to know what's the issue. Rasi56 (talk) 06:21, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Read the article I linked to: WP:COPYVIO (copyright violation). You copy and pasted a whole paragraph of text directly from here—apart from changing a single letter in the word "socio" to "spcio". -Lopifalko (talk) 06:41, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

ok,but I want to give this foundation goals which I copy-past and you removed for copyvio in this article. My added 3 links in english have this foundation goals,now I wanted to give this goals of this foundation. Can I create a new section =goals= and can I write this my own language by given # in every point. There have video his foundation website where also mention this foundation goals. There have many Bengali news where mention Foundation goals. And at the top of the article two links also have this Foundation goals. Or will you add this? This is my first article and I give lots of efforts on this. Rasi56 (talk) 07:38, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

"Can I create a new section =goals= and can I write this my own language" — yes, this is how it is done; but write it in prose, not a bullet pointed list. -Lopifalko (talk) 07:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Ok I saw many foundation where use partner in bullet point list.If I need to write prose then I add prose about this partners. will you start default sorting and other stuffs of this article? Rasi56 (talk) 08:49, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@Lopifalko: Hlw,for understandig bengali news you need to translate or if you have any doubt about news feel free to ask me or any Bengali admin if you have any doubt just say because when you translate Bengali to english there have some grammar error or sentence. And I added 2 news from 1 Bengali site. Which is briefly describe this foundation whatever done. And there have one more partner news in article can I add this from same link?? And I am not native english. Please will you fix,his foundation slogan sentence more literature/accurate : “Narail will be the best accommodation of the generation” in bengali this sentence is well literature. I wasted my whole day for this article, so worry about that, this is my first article. That’s why I just poking in your talk page. Rasi56 (talk) 16:10, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you think the time taken to create a better article is time "wasted". There is no way to rewrite "Narail will be the best accommodation of the generation" that will make it worthwhile information to add to the encyclopedia. It is just the organisation's strap line, I recommend that you forget it.

"And there have one more partner news in article can I add this from same link?" -- yes. -Lopifalko (talk) 16:16, 6 August 2019 (word,

@Lopifalko: brother I didn’t mean that! Sometimes when admin didn’t tell how to improve or just remove content which is wrong/right it feels hurt. I added this in motto “ Narail will be the best accommodation of the generation”, because it is slogan of Foundation. I thought there have more better suitable word to make this literature type because it is translated from bengali to english,I am not native englishman that's why just asked.Rasi56 (talk) 16:29, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

OK that's fine, I understand. And, under "motto" is an acceptable place for their motto, rather than in the body of the article. -Lopifalko (talk) 16:32, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@Lopifalko: Hey, I want to create a section =Goal and achievements= I wrote this according to sources but there have many grammatical mistakes Can you make this in prose??

“Narail Express sets some goals at the beginning, they are:

1) To make Narail one of the best accommodation of the generation.

2) To ensure that the people of Narail, who are in Narail, get all the benefits of internationally agreed citizenship/enhancing civil facilities

3) Narail's overall health service quality improvement. A CCU is opened to ensure emergency treatment at the primary level. Ensure quality of all hospitals and clinics in Narail and launch 111 services.

4) To introduce special education system in Narail along with general education and international standard. To make moral and humanistic education compulsory.

5) Narail's youth society should find its way from Narail to his career, so that no one should leave Narail in the persecution of life.

6) To establish Narail as a cultural and sports capital.

7) To establish the Chitra river as an attractive tourist city.

8) Establish Narail as the 'Silicon City' of Bangladesh.

9) transforming the district town into a ICT one and making an entertainment-friendly city. ”

And there have many event like run for narail,clean narail! I want to create a section but don't know already a charity section exist so give a different name.

 Rasi56 (talk) 22:57, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@Lopifalko: Hlw, will you fix this to add on the article?? Rasi56 (talk) 17:10, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

@Rasi56: Hi. This is best summarised in a much more compact way, but I do not have time to do that, sorry. -Lopifalko (talk) 09:07, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

@Lopifalko: ok!!! I thought you would do this.But no worries, you will format it later. I will add this same to same in # list.it will better I think more than prose. can I add this foundation official youtube channel video where also mention this goals?? Rasi56 (talk) 09:32, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

YouTube is not suitable to use as a source. -Lopifalko (talk) 09:35, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

@Lopifalko: Okay, I think I have made every effort to improve this article, but there is something wrong with the grammar. So it would be nice if someone checked the whole article grammar. -Rasi56 (talk) 15:56, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

@Lopifalko: can I clear my message from your talk page?? -Rasi56 (talk) 06:46, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

@Lopifalko: then clear my message from your talk page then,I think this article issue was solve -Rasi56 (talk) 10:21, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

A Very Merry Christmas to You (Village People single)

Greetings, I've filled in references on this page and i'm creating a page for the album (which I won't publish until sourced). Can you un-draft this article please? Thank you Hotcop2 (talk) 18:33, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi. It doesn't yet have enough independent reliable sources with sustained coverage of the subject (the single) by which to demonstrate its notability enough to live in article space. Are you able to find more? -Lopifalko (talk) 18:43, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

I've added additional sources. It will also be linked to the album page as well, where I'll have chart action info. Hotcop2 (talk) 21:36, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

@Hotcop2: But how many of those sources mention this single? Just two I think, and newmusicweekly.com is a trade mag; and thehypemagazine.com merely an announcement in a potentially non-reliable source. This is not yet enough to base an article on. Did it achieve chart success? If so then that should be included. -Lopifalko (talk) 03:37, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm not understanding this. Whether the single was a megahit or not shouldn't matter. If nothing else, it's listed on both the official Village People website and Facebook. I am going to try and find the Billboard stuff from last year.  It's not like I'm trying to get a high school band free promotion on wiki. Most of the sources discuss the album on which it appears. But it was a single, it exists, it should go in the long run of sequential releases (previous/next in the little info box). As far as what is or isn't a reliable source, I can cite many published book "references" that are either incorrect or out-and-out fabrication. But they're published and deemed reliable. Hotcop2 (talk) 16:06, 9 August 2019 (UTC) 

New Music Weekly is a respected trade magazine, as is Billboard. I read that here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Music_Weekly

@Hotcop2: See Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Singles and WP:NSINGLE. -Lopifalko (talk) 17:18, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Keep this draft, I haven't forgotten. I'll be supplying links, etc soon... this month is getting busy. Hotcop2 (talk) 16:24, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

@Hotcop2: Don't worry it will remain for 6 months without you doing anything to id (see Wikipedia:Drafts#Deletion_of_old_drafts). -Lopifalko (talk) 16:31, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Request on 14:13:30, 12 August 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by 102.182.208.224

• 102.182.208.224 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Armando Mariño (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Lopifalko

I am new here and would like to request your help and guidance on my draft Draft:Armando Mariño I have understood your message on my references that refer to exhibitions, collections or awards. I do have 2 references that refer to published books - no [1] and [2]

[1] Something and Something Else", From the Art Collection of Oce, Museum Van Bommel Van Dam 19.09.2008, AD Venlo Netherland, Page 335. [2] To and From Utopia in the New Cuban Art, Rachel Weiss, Publisher University of Minnesota Press/Minneapolis London, 2010, Page 123 .

Would it aid if I removed the erroneous references and only used the books?

Many Thanks

--102.182.208.224 (talk) 14:13, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

@102.182.208.224: Hi. Where I said "Does not have independent reliable sources. The sources are galleries.", I could have been more verbose. I might have said that private gallery sources are not independent, so they do not contribute to the subject's notability. However it is not a case of what you could remove in the way of sources to improve this article, but what additional sources you can find. Do these books have significant coverage of the subject? As it stands your article still lists many unsourced "Solo Exhibitions", "Public Collections" and "Prizes and Awards", which your 2 books on their own are not going to provide sources for. I would remove anything that cannot be independently sourced. Are there any online sources which can be read by those of us without the books? It is OK for sources to be offline, but it doesn't overly help editors in judging notability if there are no online sources — I cannot yet see any independent reliable sources with sustained coverage of the subject by which the subject could be judged as notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. See how you get on and let me know. -Lopifalko (talk) 15:41, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Moving David Mohney to draft and adding the like resume tag

Thank you for your extensive contributions time to Wikipedia! As you may notice this is one of my first edits to wikipedia, so please forgive my ignorance, and let me know how we can work together to bring David Mohney's article out of draft. I created the David Mohney page based on the Keller Easterling page which has seen 50 editors to it. If his page needs the resume tag, so does her's, but I think you would be disagreeing with those 50 previous editors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steenblikrs (talk • contribs) 16:15, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

@Steenblikrs: Hello. Inclusion in Wikipedia is judged by notability, what claim of importance or significance is made for the subject, and on having multiple independent reliable sources with sustained coverage of the subject. As it stood, your article had only one reference and that was a primary source (his employer). You have since given it another, of the same type. This is why I reverted it to a draft so that you could work on it in the calmness of draft space, without the pressure to get it right so quickly, until it was suitable for mainspace. Also, your article gives a bio that is like a resume, just bare facts of jobs, directorships and governorships, plus a couple of books, nothing more. This is why I added the resume tag.

The Keller Easterling article gives prose descriptions of her books, thus making it more than just a resume. -Lopifalko (talk) 16:44, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

The Keller Easterling article is not a good example as it had 4 sources, 3 of them primary plus the NYT article which says merely "said Keller Easterling, 49, an architecture professor at Yale and a practitioner based in Manhattan" so counts for only a little. This is not enough sourcing. However the article says she is "Professor of Architecture at Yale University", so she qualifies as notable based on that because there are some subjects with subject-specific notability criteria, in this case as per WP:ACADEMIC, given suitable independent reliable sources exist however. Also, the article claims that "her work has been exhibited at venues such as the Queens Museum of Art, Storefront for Art and Architecture, and the 2014 and 2018 Venice Biennales", which is notable, as long as sources are found for it. -Lopifalko (talk) 16:59, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. I have added a short segment about why he is important. I don't have a ton of time, but I feel this is enough to bring it out as it now has more external references than Keller's article does.Steenblikrs (talk) 17:10, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

I started this effort because Keller and David co-authored a book together where David was the primary author.Steenblikrs (talk) 17:26, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

@Steenblikrs: You're making a good start. Saying that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS in the way of Easterling's article doesn't help us as I have already demonstrated that that article is quite lacking. If that article were fresh and new like yours then it would have the same rigour applied to it as I am now applying to yours. I have placed various warnings on the Easterling article. As for your article, the ultimate judgement of notability for this person is instead WP:GNG or WP:ACADEMIC. The Architectural League of New York source is a bio given by people he is giving a talk for, so does not count in this case as as independent and reliable. And YouTube is frowned upon as a source. The other sources are routine bios / resumes by organisations he is involved with. That doesn't leave us with any of the required multiple independent reliable sources with sustained coverage of the subject but you're heading in the right direction. However your article says he is a "fellow of the American Institute of Architects". WP:ACADEMIC's criteria for notability is that "The person is or has been ... a fellow of a major scholarly society which reserves fellow status as a highly selective honor", which would appear to be the case given what I read at Fellow of the American Institute of Architects. Do you have a reliable source for this, as there is none indicated in the article? -Lopifalko (talk) 17:27, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

@Steenblikrs: The New Jersey Business magazine that you've added merely says "David Mohney, Acting Dean of the Michael Graves School of Architecture", which is hardly significant coverage of him, but is enough to allow it to just scrape through. The article will need a warning that it lacks sources though, as there is not one independent reliable source with significant coverage. -Lopifalko (talk) 17:46, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Elica

Hello Lopifalko. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Elica, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Article claims importance/significance of the subject. Thank you. SoWhy 06:45, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

@SoWhy: Yes of-course. Sorry for wasting your time. I sleep walked through doing this one, focused only on how the sources showed it was a company of no importance/significance, completely ignoring the prose. I guess that leaves AfD as the only logical other avenue, as it doesn't quite seem to fit into CSD G11. -Lopifalko (talk) 06:59, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Anne Borg (physicist)

Hello, Lopifalko. Please wait until I have removed the template "under construction" before you do any more edits in this article. I just lost quite a lot because of an "edit collision"! Kjersti Lie (talk) 09:15, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

@Kjersti Lie: Hi. Sorry. The template said it was OK to make changes. I have no intention of making any further edits, I was just doing the basics and marking it as reviewed. Note that there's no need to lose changes when you can go back in the browser and access all of your text. The new edit conflict tool that I am seeing is also good at merging in an edit conflict. -Lopifalko (talk) 09:19, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

OK, i guess I didn't read the template text properly! :( About the lost changes: Thank you for your information. I hadn't saved them yet, and got confused by your edit, so I erased it all ... Silly me. I will try again! Kjersti Lie (talk) 09:21, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

you need to archive your talk page

longer than an australian comedians excuses for jokes... JarrahTree 10:55, 22 August 2019 (UTC)