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If this is about the *Yseut229* entry getting mangled, I'm taking a look at it. The leading "*" is being mis-parsed as a list bullet.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  14:32, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

SMcCandlish, thanks! Regarding the participants box I pinged you at a relevant thread. MarioGom (talk) 14:37, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
SMcCandlish, also keep in mind that while WPX templates are in a very precarious maintenance situation, they are used in some high-visibility pages. A few of them have a few quirks and interactions with bots, other templates and a MediaWiki gadget. I'm quite familiar with this mess, so I can help with input about these caveats. --MarioGom (talk) 14:46, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Okeydokey. The general goal I had in mind is replacing all usage of "[M|m]embers" with "[P|p]articipants", and "[J|j]oin" with "[P|p]articipate in", and also get rid of "[O|o]ur" in these and related constructions. We've sometimes had years of awful drama coming out of people trying to treat wikiprojects as private membership organization with their own rules, etc. E.g., WP:Esperanza was shut down, WP:CONLEVEL policy was created, and we had some of WP's longest and worst disputes and RfCs coming out of things relating to this WP:OWN and WP:FACTION stuff, including a bunch of ArbCom cases. While there are still various projects that need to have "Members" pages renamed and so forth, the fact that this template and module and form system is auto-creating more of them needs to be fixed first, or it will be a never-ending issue. If you know how to tweak these things without cracking anything, it would be a better use of time for you to do it than me to try to do it and fail. :-) In the interim, I'm still looking into how to patch that username bug.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  15:01, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
SMcCandlish, I see. Renaming in content is not problematic. Not for me, at least. But for page names, when it comes to WPX-based projects, it's going to require us to point somewhere with some consensus to try to get the bot maintainer to fix it (or make it configurable). MarioGom (talk) 15:09, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

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SMcCandlish, thank you! I'll provide some more context about the /Participants page issue: /Participants seems quite standard for other projects, so I think it makes sense. However, these /Members pages are updated by a bot (which is running but not maintained or semi-maintained), so getting projects using WPX templates and Reports bot to switch to /Participants is tricky. Your change worked where only /Participants OR /Members existed, but some projects have them both for different reasons. In WP:SOCIALISM I have now redirected /Participants to /Members, because the former is just outdated and archived. But in Women in Red they serve different purposes. In any case, if the goal is to have fully consistent naming, it's going to require some consensus and preparation to change it in dozens of WikiProject pages and templates with minimal disruption. MarioGom (talk) 15:04, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Noted! It would be good to get this stop using "members" and "join" by default, though, as this just makes the problem larger and larger over time. For any cases where there's a members and a participants page and the one's not a redirect to the other, the other can be moved to a better name that makes more sense for what it is, like "/List of all prior participants" or whatever that page's goal is. Probably not great for the bot to presume a fixed page name for such lists, but get them from the project. That is, the humans in the projects should be getting the bot to work for them, rather than the humans have to do what the bot demands. >;-) Oh, and I fixed the *Username problem.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  15:14, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
SMcCandlish: In the case of WikiProject Women in Red, which I believe is the most active in regard to these features, we have always made a very clear distinction between members and participants. Members are those who have joined the project and registered with a "card". Participants are generally those who register for a specific event such as an editathon or meetup. In most cases they are also members but some add their names to meetup lists without becoming members. Then there are those who simply participate on our talk pages without registering anywhere else. To the best of my knowledge, other Project X-related wikiprojects behave in much the same way. May I suggest that any future work on these lists which is liable to affect the membership listing of Women in Red should be brought to the project's attention beforehand. In this case, thanks to your rapid responses, not much damage has been done but in the past we have encountered disruptive changes to WPX code which has taken several days to fix. Fortunately MarioGom picked up the ping very promptly today but it's not always the case that key people are around to jump in at a moment's notice.--Ipigott (talk) 16:40, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
@Ipigott: Yes, of course I don't want to break anything, and am not going to make further direct changes to this code, not without more understanding of dependencies I wasn't aware of, and more discussion with people.

However, this is the first time I've ever encountered a wikiproject making a distinction between "participants" and "members". It's not a norm at all, and it actually does raise the "wikiprojects are not private membership organizations" concerns (though I can see that's not quite the intent here, but rather an onsite/offsite distinction). It would be long-term better to use different terminology, like "[wikiproject] participants" and "event participants" or something like that. Or if there's some compelling rationale for WOMRED to continue doing as it is because of the unusual focus on meatspace events, that's going to remain uncommon and shouldn't become the terminological norm, or it will inspire people to try to treat "their" wikiproject like some kind of fiefdom not responsive to site-wide editorial norms (which is where all that old drama came from in the first place). The terminology and what it implies actually matters, as we've learned the hard way. It's been a long time since I or anyone else has gone on members→participants cleanup sprees, but one seems overdue.

WikiProject X is a dead development project, too. It's likely these over-complicated templates and scripts will just go away eventually. Only a small fraction of projects use them, and they have a high maintenance cost (increasing, really, since there are fewer and fewer editors with understanding of or interest in them and their code). Plus they generate a lot of unnecessary userspace pages, which never go away even after the user loses interest in the wikiproject or WP itself). The member-cards' output is a poor use of page space, and the nature of them is apt to raise WP:NOT#SOCIAL concerns, too.
 — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  17:00, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

  • SMcCandlish: Thanks for these explanations. I have repeatedly questioned the usefulness of Women in Red sticking to the Project X approach but I have the feeling that Rosiestep and others who embarked on the project with the enthusiastic assistance of Harej have been reluctant to abandon some of its features. In regard to members vs participants, it was in fact WPX which introduced the approach. Earlier projects supporting women such as wp:Women writers had always used participants. Maybe this whole matter should be brought up elsewhere for discussion but for the time being, I think it is important to ensure continuity.--Ipigott (talk) 21:43, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
    Sure, the last thing I want to do is break stuff, especially for a large, active project. Given that WikiProject X is a dead stick, we (the community, not necessarily anyone right here) at some point need to figure out how to pull out useful features so any wikiproject can use them without being tied into a big system of code that's not going to evolve. E.g., the feature of sorting participants (or "members") into separate lists based on whether they've been active any time in the last few months – that's handy, but it doesn't really have anything to do with most of the other WikiProject X stuff, and would be useful for all wikiprojects.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:57, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
    @SMcCandlish and Ipigott: I favor doing whatever makes sense in 2021. As WikiProject X can no longer support us, let's go in a new direction. Who can help us with that? --Rosiestep (talk) 23:55, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
    If someone just knows all this code like the back of their hand, that'd be great. In the absence of that, it might actually be worth a proposal or something at WP:VPTECH for a wikiproject overhaul designed to take the best features of WPX and previous approaches, and "objectize" them as features people can add at-will to various project with less of a setup overhead and with a minimum of interdependency.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  01:00, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
    One very useful feature of any new development would be the use of code which can easily be understood and updated by experienced editors rather than only by experts as is the case at the moment. The items which are still dependent on the WPX approach are the main Women in Red page and pages which are directly related to it, including the membership list(s) and their "cards", and the "transcluded" pages which list events, metrics, press and research. Thanks to the assistance given by MarioGom since the remaining members of Project X finally moved on, the pages on press and research can generally be edited without major difficulty although on occasion the "edit" link simply disappears. As you say, SMcCandlish, in regard to membership it's really useful to have separate lists of active and of inactive members, i.e. those who have not edited for three months or more. If I am not mistaken, all the other WiR pages and templates are similar to those in wikiprojects which developed without the involvement of WPX. Maybe the first step would be to prepare a work programme specifying the new features to be developed with an estimate of the time and effort which would be required for seamless integration. Perhaps you, MarioGom, would be able to put something together along these lines, suggesting who else might be able to contribute.--Ipigott (talk) 07:37, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
    Ipigott,  SMcCandlish: sounds good! I'll try to put together a list of components that are worth documenting, maintaining and/or refactoring. Despite the appearance of cohesion, WPX is actually a collection of components, and the adoption of some of them would be easier if we remove the appearance of it being an all-or-nothing thing. MarioGom (talk) 10:34, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
    One thing I was trying to figure out what how to get WPX to stop forcing the participants/members stuff to be displayed (always) and as a sidebar, rather than making it a module like everything else it does. I see kind of a kernel of code there, where there are various modules that can be enabled or disabled, and that seems like a good start. But then but some are "main body" only and others are sidebar only, some some are not really modules but just fixed features, and this seems rather arbitrary. The more it was just modules, and they could be placed arbitrarily (e.g. in a very linear traditional page or in one with a custom div-based layout), the better it would be reusable across any project. Especially if the modules could be used on their own in an existing project with addition of minimal code; or used to build wikiproject using a bunch of them, but not tied into an overall WPX system, in case one had a particular tabbed structure one like better. I think WPX is trying to be too many things at once, both something like a WordPress theme providing an entire project structure, and also being a supplier of [semi-]modular services. Better if they were just entirely modular templated things that were more agnostic as to which project content they were transcluded into.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:54, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

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COI templates

Hi! I'm not sure I get the point of additions like this. I would expect a COI tag to be there only if an editor who has contributed text to the article has had a conflict of interest on the topic of the article. Has that editor been paid to contribute to this specific article, or has he only been paid for some other contributions? Also, I would expect the tag to be there only if there's any meaningful COI text remaining in the article, I wouldn't expect that the template should be added to all and every page ever touched by a paid editor. – Uanfala (talk) 16:01, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Uanfala! {{Connected contributor (paid)}} is meant to be used as permanent documentation in the talk page. Pretty much like other notices such as copyright, merges, etc. It's added regardless of presence of any content problem. In the case of a content problem, it remains after the problem is solved too. This is essentially different from {{COI}}, which is a maintenance template meant to be removed after a review. Also all these accounts are blockable per username policy, because we don't allow role accounts. However, I'm not pursuing that since it's pointless after 10 years. The documentation in the talk pages is due though. MarioGom (talk) 16:06, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
If this is indeed the intended use, it strikes me as supremely unhelpful. Are there any guidelines about this usage? – Uanfala (talk) 16:11, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
I'm not sure there's much more specific documentation than {{Connected contributor}}, {{Connected contributor (paid)}} and possibly guidelines linking to them. I have never seen these templates removed as part of cleanup, but if I'm missing something, I'm willing to revise my edits. MarioGom (talk) 16:19, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
Well, the template documentation doesn't quite answer my questions, but policy sections like Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure#How to disclose suggest the template should be placed on talk pages of articles affected by paid editing, and unless my interpretation is incorrect, this means that they should be placed if the editor has made paid edits to this specific article, and not just maid paid edits somewhere else. Has the user Stability Information East 2 really been paid for their contributions to articles like Peripatetic groups of Afghanistan and Shirani (Baloch tribe)? – Uanfala (talk) 16:35, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
I think it's safe to assume that role accounts (accounts not named after a person, but after an organization) represent edits by such organization, which are inherently paid. Regarding the articles you mention, yes, the SOIC task force provided information on a wide range of topics that, at the time of writing, were related to the interests of the US Army. In many cases, these were dumps of US Federal documents (which does not contavene any policy, since they are public domain). Some of these edits might be encyclopedic and helpful and some others might not, which is irrelevant in terms of disclosure. MarioGom (talk) 16:41, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

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I would be interested in seeing a CCI-style case page setup for a UPE farm, please point me to it if it's ever convened.

I just wanted to float a question away from the TfD: Do you think Category:Wikipedia articles with undisclosed paid content should be renamed Category:Wikipedia articles suspected of containing undisclosed paid content (or something)? Also, Category:Wikipedia articles with paid content only contains tagged paid content - should this category be renamed to Category:Wikipedia articles containing paid content with possible issues (or something)? –xenotalk 01:19, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

xeno: Systematic clean-ups are rarely organized at the moment. Small-scale ones are often done ad hoc at WP:COIN. The largest so far is probably WP:COIN#Wolfram refspam cleanup that led to User:Blablubbs/Wolfram. The later approach is what I'm taking as inspiration to setup more effective cleanups. That's in terms of cleanup. Investigation of the sockfarms themselves happens at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations with some summary entries occasionally added to WP:PAIDLIST (non-exhaustive).
Regarding the categories, I have no strong opinions on these names. I'm ok with the current ones but your proposals make sense to me. It would probably make sense to move articles tagged with {{Paid contributions}} to a new category Category:Wikipedia articles containing paid content with possible issues and then make Category:Wikipedia articles with paid content the parent of both Category:Wikipedia articles with undisclosed paid content and Category: Category:Wikipedia articles containing paid content with possible issues. MarioGom (talk) 08:46, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
@Xeno: Here's a new large-scale review User:MarioGom/LoboReview. I hope it serves to refine the process and gather some feedback. MarioGom (talk) 00:06, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

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Is this in preparation for a particular article that has had problems of WP:COI or are you preparing for a particular article. It is not 100% clear to me. Thanks in advance sir, and thanks for your hard work! Infinitepeace (talk) 13:54, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Infinitepeace, I'm not sure to which of my comments you are referring too. I'm working both on the clean up for specific articles as well as in proposals to improve the process. I see you are now blocked, but I'll be happy to continue this conversation once you are back. Best, MarioGom (talk) 14:15, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

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Question about sock networks and UPE tags

Hi Mario, hope you're well. Since you had reached out to me a couple weeks back about the sock networks you've been uncovering, I wanted to return the favor and share a bit about what I'm seeing from the consulting side of things, and to ask a question.

  • First thing: the decision to add the UPE templates fairly liberally across pages is bringing a fair number of tag removal requests into the new business inbox at Beutler Ink, although we are not considering any of them seriously at this time. (I assume it has not been standard in the past to add UPE tags so widely? We don't usually hear about this specific request very often—and now all of a sudden, we are.)
  • Meanwhile, I have heard from two different companies with UPE-tagged pages that they have been approached by Wikipedia-focused consultancies offering to remove the tags. The confidence with which these firms offered it leads me to believe they would be editing anonymously themselves. I have some idea who they might be, including at least one on the blocked list, and I also suspect at least one consultancy may be using more than one "front", but I'm mindful of WP:OUTING and will be very careful about saying more for now.
  • Finally, my question is this: have you or any of the editors applying these templates considered a process at some point to review and remove tags, either where it is decided the edits did not make substantial changes, or to remove the tags after the edits by the sock accounts have been reverted? While we aren't helping anyone do this now, it would be nice to have an accepted process for this in the future.

Let me know what you think, and whether there is a better place to bring this information / inquiry. Thanks, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 19:09, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi WWB Too, thank you for reaching out:
  • Thank you for letting me know. I have noticed this pattern before from the onwiki side, when a large sockfarm is blocked, some clients seem to switch providers. I have noticed one company who switched to an in-house disclosed paid editor, but often they switch to other blackhat agencies. Anyway, it's interesting to have an insider confirmation of this. I'm not sure UDP tags are being applied now more liberally, at least, not by me. For example, in a recent review of a blocked sockfarm, I tagged about 4 articles out of +800. However, since 2020 until now, some pretty big and long-term sockfarms have been discovered and blocked. I think that accounts for a UDP tag increase (at least, partially).
  • When there are WP:OUTING concerns, you can email ArbCom. There are also some admins that are probably willing to help with private evidence too.
  • Yes! I want to propose a formal (like CCI or SPI) or informal (within WikiProject Integrity) process for review of large-scale cases. The review work would look like this and this. This would have a few benefits: 1) clean up would happen faster, disincentivizing UPE, 2) we could avoid adding UDP tags for minor edits and 3) we could mark articles with a "last review date", which could be used to avoid re-tagging when no new UPE edits happened after the review.
If you have any suggestion, let me know. My current thinking is that it may be good to start with an informal (but well-structured) process, and move to a formal process only if it proves successful and there are enough editors interested. MarioGom (talk) 19:41, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the speedy reply! Glad to offer some confirmation, at least. I don't know whether I'll get the specific information to take to ArbCom since most of this was relayed to me verbally, but I'll see what I can do. Thanks for sharing those reviews. All I can say is: wow, that is a staggering amount of work. This is WP:BOGO in action; I'm grateful that you're taking it on, but what a lot of effort that could have been put somewhere else more productively. Anyway, thanks for the advice and thanks for the work you're doing here. More from me if I think I have something useful to add. Best, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 21:17, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Hi again, just closing the loop: I asked if my latest contact was willing to share the emails. They wanted to stay out of it, but gave me the names of the companies (which I won't mention publicly). Anyway, that's all for now. Let me know if you have any other questions I might be able to help with. Best, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 22:09, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

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Yoodaba sockfarm

Are you pretty sure that the Yoodaba sockfarm is Lexicon Branding? I'd like to have it reflected properly at WP:PAIDLIST. - Bri.public (talk) 20:30, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Wait. Lexicon Branding? I don't think so. I'm pretty sure Yoodaba is 3Q Digital. But it is plausible that part of the sockfarm is an outsourcing company doing some work for other agencies. I can share more info in private. MarioGom (talk) 20:47, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
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UK Web Archive article

Hello, Thank you for posting the guide. I added a connected user note on my page. I did mention my connection during the process of suggesting the update from the UK Web Consortium article which was there before, but didn't know about the connected contributor note which is clearer and should have been on my contributions. This was one of my first edits and I thought keeping to my subject would help, but reading the guide has rather put me right there! I hope this can be resolved, even if it means rolling back my edits to the old version. Best wishes, Timeousbeastie (talk) 11:04, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Timeousbeastie, thank you for getting back to me. No rollback is required as long as nobody really thinks the old version was better. Is this part of some sort of paid position? If that's the case, it is also required to note it, ideally with the {{Connected contributor (paid)}} template on Talk:UK Web Archive. Let me know if I can help with it. MarioGom (talk) 11:11, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks - I do have a question, having read the templates. As I was editing on my own initiative, I can declare my employer, but don't think I can honestly name them as a client for this work. Do you know what might be the best way to record this? Timeousbeastie (talk) 12:34, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Timeousbeastie: If this is done as part of your job, you can name the employer (the client field would be empty). If your employer has nothing to do with this work, you don't need any disclosure about payments, your current COI disclosure would be enough. MarioGom (talk) 12:39, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

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Hi, I don't feel familiar enough with that issue to follow up on a report provided by email, especially as some of the examples given date to 2018 which aren't really actionable. This isn't a subject matter area or Wikipedia area I'm particularly familiar with, so I'm not confident I can accurately analyse those examples - especially regarding whether there's an agenda, etc. I'd suggest starting a SPI. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 10:26, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Nick-D! MarioGom (talk) 10:28, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

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Apologies for bothering you - I'm in need of a Wikidata list and made many attempts in vain to make one; since you know how to make them can you make one? I would like one that's akin to your standard Wikidata list like the example seen here, but one with different parameters - specifically, one that would list all recipients of the award Hero of the Soviet Union with 5 or more interwiki links but no article on English Wikipedia. How feasible is this, and can you do it (and send me a link to it so I can make it my to-do list)? Thank you!--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 15:54, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

PlanespotterA320: Here you go: User:MarioGom/sandbox/Heroes of the Soviet Union. Feel free to move the page to your user space, or maybe we can move it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Soviet Union? MarioGom (talk) 17:24, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

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Hello! I'm an editor who is mostly active on Turkish Wikipedia, and just saw your work on UPE as I was looking into what could be a case of undisclosed COI editing around Türk Ekonomi Bankası, both on Turkish- and English-language Wikipedias (articles in question are CEPTETEB, TEB Family Academy and tr:TEB Çocuk). I noticed that CEPTETEB is listed in your autogenerated TOPCOI list, and I've read the explanation on what the list is, but not being the most technically inclined person, I'm still at a loss about what this actually means. An explanation would be massively helpful. Best wishes. --GGT (talk) 16:50, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi GGT: that list won't be too helpful here. CEPTETEB was included because Escritor83 (an account blocked in a sockpuppet investigation related to undisclosed paid editing) edited it, but it seems these edits were not significative. If I can help with anything else, let me know. If you need to discuss anything that could be sensitive, feel free to send me an email. MarioGom (talk) 17:21, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

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I learned something new today! Thanks for setting it up. I feel so stupid doing this manually when it could be done automatically.VR talk 02:10, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

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Wikidata help

Hi MarioGom

Thanks for your very helpful input in my talkpage discussion on the over-representation of sportspeople.

Since you have at least some expertise in wikidata, I was wondering if you could help me to use wikidata in WP:PETSCAN searches.

What I would like to do is to use the wikidata property for women to reliably identify women in a Petscan search, and/or to select only people.

For example, https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=19648552 is a search for all articles in Category:Irish writers+subcats (which in many cases includes their works). The 4th tab "Other sources" allows use of Wikidata properties, but i dunno how to do it.

From looking at the Wikidata page for the writer Maeve Binchy, I can see that Q5 is human, and Q6581072 is human female ... but I'd love to know how to use them with Petscan.

Any help would be great! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:28, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

BrownHairedGirl: In Wikidata queries this is done by checking the property sex or gender (P21) with value female (Q6581072). But it seems this is simplified in PetScan 5th tab ("Wikidata") in the "Uses items/props" field, by entering female (Q6581072). Here's a PetScan query based on yours: https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=19648651
If results are not accurate enough, let me know and I'll try to troubleshoot it. MarioGom (talk) 13:02, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Bless you, Mario. That's really helpful; much easier than I expected (and I am an eejit to have missed the 5th tab).
Now, suppose I wanted to do a slightly more complicated search: Irish non-sports women categorised by county. I'd start with Category:People by county in Ireland‎ to a depth of 12, but how do I filter that by: musthave Q6581072 (women) but mustnothave Q50995749 (sportsperson) or its subclasses? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:15, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
BrownHairedGirl: I'm looking into it. Do you need a PetScan list, or would other solution like Wikidata or ListeriaBot work too? MarioGom (talk) 13:37, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Thanks again, Mario.
I don't mind where I get it from. My target is a list of article titles, which I can then process in various ways. I don't mind too much what format it comes in, so long as I can download or screen-grab a list which I can with regexes into a plain text list of one-title-per-line.
If I can learn some way of using Wikidata properties, it will be much more accurate than my current methods of list-making. So far I have relied on subcategories (which are often polluted) and WikiProject banners (which are not always present). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:52, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
BrownHairedGirl: Here's a Wikidata-based redlist: User:MarioGom/sandbox/Non-sports Irish women by county. Unfortunately, the logic to retrieve county from Wikidata is not trivial, as there's a few edge cases. Also, I don't know which county should Dublin (Q1761) be categorized in, as County Dublin (Q173500) is historical. In the linked list, Dublin has empty county. MarioGom (talk) 14:43, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

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Edits made on Wikipedia in Health Professions Education page

Hi MarioGom,

Thank you for fixing/reverting the changes I made to the template on the Wikipedia in Health Professions Education project page. I thought that section was local to the page and not shared. I am sorry about that and glad you fixed it.

I was trying to remove the "Meet the Participants" box and also do some styling throughout that project page especially the main page title and the section titles.

Would you be able to point me to a resource that could help me with that? Is there a way to create a local template specific to that page?

Thank you again for all of your help! Dougdraws (talk) 22:46, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Dougdraws: Unfortunately, {{Load WikiProject Modules}} does not allow such fine tuning. If you need more customization, you'll need to rework the page without it. You can see some examples at Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red or Wikipedia:WikiProject Conservatism. If you try to do so, you will be better off trying in a sandbox first: Wikipedia:Wikipedia in Health Professions Education/sandbox. MarioGom (talk) 16:28, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
MarioGom: Thank you again for all of your help. I really appreciate the resources.

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Women poets Wikidata lists (by continent)

Hi and thank you for your offer of assistance on SPARQL/Listeria queries that are hanging me up! Very new to this and am grateful for guidance. I successfully made some country and a couple of region lists (listed under “Poets by country of citizenship or region” at: WP:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Redlist_index#Occupation_and_country), but for Asia and Africa it looks like it needs to be the whole continent (North and West Africa put together would have fewer than 100 names, for instance), and I’m have trouble swapping in a continent name for region—I’m sure you know the problem but it is opaque to me. If it’s convenient for you at some point, might you show me how to make, say, this Latin America list, but for Africa? And if you notice any other ways what I’ve done could be improved, I’m all ears. Thank you so much. Innisfree987 (talk) 23:28, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Innisfree987: countries have the property continent (P30), which you can set to Africa (Q15). For example: https://w.wiki/3zMo MarioGom (talk) 07:41, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Aha! Thank you so much, that sure is the bit I couldn’t figure out! Much obliged. Innisfree987 (talk) 15:28, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

COVID-19 pandemic data

Hi. Do you know if there are other editors who are able to update this template every day? In previous months, more people edited that template regularly. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 06:22, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

LSGH: I don't think there will be ever as many users involved as in early 2020. The interest has naturally decreased, and since most of us are not under full lockdown anymore, there's probably no more people dedicated full time to this task (it used to be the case). We might need some semi-automated tools to be able to keep up with updates with less manual effort. I'm giving a try to updating a script I wrote last year to notify about updates. I'll come back to you if anything useful comes out of it. MarioGom (talk) 06:58, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. Just take your time :) It's already becoming more tedious to do the updates as less people are involved. Hopefully, we could get some more help there. It is not beneficial if only one person is trying to update the template all by himself at the expense of others. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 15:00, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
There is no available script yet, but I do not know how at least one other person can determine what time several countries are publishing their daily figures. Almost every day, he tries to be the first person to update those countries. I do not know why he thinks that updates need to be made "on time". Updates have already become less meaningful. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 03:50, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
There is an ongoing effort to implement automated updates to this template, but I do not know how much progress is being made here and here. It might take a while before the content of the template is replaced. Also, consensus and a BRFA would also be needed when the replacement is ready. Some of the few editors who were still updating the template regularly seem to have already left the topic area. In the meantime, are there any other ways to make manual editing easier? LSGH (talk) (contributions) 02:58, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
LSGH: I've been playing around with this, but I have nothing quite ready yet. I'm a bit skeptical about using ourworldindata as the source for every figure. It's a good source, but we'd probably need a way to introduce manual exceptions based on other reliable sources. MarioGom (talk) 10:17, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Retaining the manual sources is doable, but it would likely take much longer to do. Currently, TolBot updates the data subpage once every day, though I do not know yet how it will use data from sources other than OWID. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 10:33, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Page protection

Hey Mario! Given recent events, I think it might be a good idea to semiprotect your talk page and talk archives for a bit. Would you be ok with that? --Blablubbs (talk) 19:55, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Blablubbs: Sure. Thank you for taking care of it! MarioGom (talk) 19:58, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
Sure thing. Johnuniq already protected archive 1 for a year, I gave 2 and 3 a one month semi, and 1 week for your main talk page. Please give me a ping if this needs extending. --Blablubbs (talk) 20:06, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

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Re: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Frost_joyce

I just came accross this SPI-- I remember sending an email related to this case to paid-en-wp(at)wikipedia.org in late June that I honestly forgot about until earlier today. Interesting how the evidence backed up some of my suspicions, and furthermore it was just the tip of the iceberg to the long list of names there. Outstanding work. SpencerT•C 05:49, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Potentially one other that could be added to the SPI case (hasn't edited in a while however): User:Paultimothyjones714, who stopped editing immediately after a COI allegation was made on their talk page. SpencerT•C 06:04, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
Spencer: Thanks for the info! Paultimothyjones714 was already in the initial report. Unfortunately, most accounts are not actionable because they are stale. But at least current activity is more or less disrupted and it's now easier to find new accounts. MarioGom (talk) 07:34, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

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BitRaser Data Eraser Support

I have tried to give all sources from publsihed, and verified sources. Although I may be misinformed. Please let me know the citations that are not acceptable. So that I can remove and replace them. OR As you suggest would remove the lines that cant be supported with reliable reference. Thanks RelianceOnHimAlone (talk) 19:35, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi RelianceOnHimAlone: First of all, as a paid editor, you should submit your article through the articles for creation process. Also, please, read our general notability guideline, as well as guideline on notability for companies. The topic currently lacks significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject, or the current sources fail to demonstrate it. Feel free to ask me if you have any doubt about this. Best, MarioGom (talk) 20:15, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Your reply has been really comforting and clear. Thanks. I will study the guidelines. It will be really kind and supportive, if you can atleast let me know the sources which are acceptable, so that I can remove the rest. THANKS again.

RelianceOnHimAlone (talk) 20:30, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

RelianceOnHimAlone: You don't necessarily need to remove all of them. For example, a primary source, like bitraser.com, may be used to source some uncontroversial claim (see WP:ABOUTSELF), but it does not count to determine notability. From what I can see on the article, none of the sources is independent, secondary, and reliable source (see WP:RS). But I might have overlooked something. Let me know if you think any of these sources is independent and reliable. MarioGom (talk) 20:34, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

I am associated with the organization and I am not directly paid for this or I am not a paid editor.


PS: I may not also know the jargon on what paid editor means.

RelianceOnHimAlone (talk) 20:31, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

RelianceOnHimAlone: I have a hard time believing that you represent the company, and are not paid for it. Note that unpaid internships are covered by this policy too, even if strictly they are not paid. What kind of association do you have with the organization? MarioGom (talk) 20:36, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Sure, I will study everything in detail. So that I dont unnecessarily bother you with qustions. Its way past midnight here at 5:30 GMT in India. Thanks, I will get back with proper/informed questions. Have a great day and wish you all that is Good. THANKS. I have had very strict and little rude experience here on wiki, so ur replies have really sounded soothing. CANT thank more! :) RelianceOnHimAlone (talk) 20:39, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

My PS was apt. I am paid monthly salary. So, I am a paid editor. GOT IT. thanks

Note: paid editor to me sounded like a vendor/third party hired for wikipedia content publish. RelianceOnHimAlone (talk) 20:42, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

842 Compression Algorithm

Hi, you have added a "too closely associated" tag to the article 842 (compression algorithm), which I created. I think that's unfair, and will start a discussion on that article's talk page. Paul Foxworthy (talk) 23:51, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Replied in the talk page. MarioGom (talk) 07:25, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

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Gender imbalance per country

Hello! Would it be possible to request an update on the gender imbalance per country list? I've been working my way through the lower 20 countries, and have just finished it for the third time. I imagine its a bit of a job, so if there are ways I can help, I would be happy to. Best Lajmmoore (talk) 20:19, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Lajmmoore: Sure, I'll update it now. It's semi-automated, I just forget to update it ;-) MarioGom (talk) 20:31, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
Lajmmoore: I didn't forget about this, but I had some problem running the script to update it. I'll try to get it fixed soon. MarioGom (talk) 20:33, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
Lajmmoore:  Done. MarioGom (talk) 21:33, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
MarioGom Awwww thanks so much - can't wait to get the next 20 done :) Lajmmoore (talk) 07:09, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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For your outstanding work in compiling and filing Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sanketio31, one of the most technically and socially sophisticated sockfarms in recent memory! KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 05:59, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
Thank you KevinL! MarioGom (talk) 07:57, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

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Be it article spamming, url spamming, nabbing undisclosed paid editing and other unethical practices such as sock puppetry, you have shown a natural predisposition to “knowing” unethical edits when you “see it” and also tackling it accordingly. Thank you for all your efforts, we are grateful to have you. Celestina007 (talk) 23:05, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
Celestina007: Thank you! By the way, I just noticed you warned about Northern Escapee at WP:PERM/NPR back when they tried to get the NPR perm. Good catch! Best, MarioGom (talk) 19:06, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

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Sock comes back as an IP

Asking you, as you're experienced with SPIs. There is a long-time banned editor who keeps making sockpuppets. Each time they do, they are caught and blocked. But after their last sock was blocked, they seem to have returned as an IP and are trying to edit war. What is the solution here? Try to semi-protect the articles they're on? But they'll just move to other articles. Try to get the IP addresses blocked somehow? How? They keep coming back with slightly different IP addresses and I don't understand rangeblocks as well as I should. Thanks VR talk 19:43, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Vice regent: Unfortunately, there is no one-size-fits-all solution for logged-out socking. Some options:
  • If the disruption is currently limited to one or two pages, you can ask for protection.
  • If the range is stable (i.e. are the 2 or 3 first numbers of the IP always the same?), and there is a previous SPI case, you can report the IPs to that existing SPI case. If you do this, don't request a checkuser check, since checkusers cannot comment on IPs.
  • You may contact the last blocking admin or checkuser on their talk page for advice, or you can send them an email with the list of IPs you believe are used by the same user.
If you want more specific advice, feel free to email me some details. MarioGom (talk) 19:55, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

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Rastakwere/Jnyssen

You mentioned pinging you for "further analysis notes and off-wiki evidence" in this case. I would be interested in seeing them, if it's ethical for you to provide them. Boud (talk) 18:20, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Boud, I rarely send this kind of notes except for SPI clerks, admins, and functionaries. But given that there's nothing sensitive in the notes about on-wiki behavior, I added them now to the case page. Best, MarioGom (talk) 19:13, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
hi again MarioGom. Your note wasn't clear if it was directed to general Wikipedians, or rather only to SPI clerks or other people with specific roles, so that's what I meant by the "if ethical" clause. Anyway, thanks for the analysis. Boud (talk) 23:04, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
Boud, yeah, it's understandeable. Thank you for contributing your comments to the case. Best, MarioGom (talk) 08:35, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

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Hello Mario, thank you for your feedback. However, I think that there has been some misunderstanding regarding the "Bigmoon Entertainment" Wikipedia page. Let me make it clear, Bigmoon Entertainment was a company that was founded in 2008 and stopped laboring in 2019. I never worked there, during that time I was a student and a volunteer games journalist. When I was at University, taking a degree in Journalism, I did a study about the History of Bigmoon Entertainment, because I discovered it was a game development studio from my country. I was never paid to gather and write about this topic: "Bigmoon Entertainment", it was all volunteer and academic work/search that I decided to share on this platform because it is an important subject for the gaming industry of our country (Portugal). My only objective in doing that article was to give the opportunity to people also know the story of this studio, that was written with an objective point of view, with serious and multiple references. The only information in the article that doesn't have references are the canceled games, because they were never released.

Best regards, User:AmendesSaber3d 16:15, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

AmendesSaber3d: Thank you for your response. So obviously I got it wrong. You can remove the warning I posted on your talk page if you want. Let me know if I can help you in any other way. I'm sorry for the inconvenience. MarioGom (talk) 17:11, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

It's alright, I'm glad I could clarify the situation. Thank you for your understanding! There is one thing I would appreciate you or some other Wikipedia editor doing, that would be reverting "Bigmoon Entertainment" to its original title. The current title can be a little misleading, due to the information of the article being completely directed and focused on the "Bigmoon Entertainment" story.

Thank you in advance. User:AmendesSaber3d 17:42, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

AmendesSaber3d: But is the following statement not accurate? Saber Interactive acquired Bigmoon Entertainment and rebranded to Saber Interactive Porto (Saber Porto). MarioGom (talk) 17:45, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

That statement is not wrong, but I think it would be better and clearer if eventually, someone created a separate page for Saber Interactive Porto, instead of mixing the two of them together. User:AmendesSaber3d 17:55, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

You can propose that at Talk:Saber Porto, but it's probably better to have a single article, unless both historic periods get long enough. I cannot help but see Saber in your username. If you work for Saber, you still need to read our WP:COI guide. MarioGom (talk) 18:07, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

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Priti Patel - deletion of Bahrain section.

Hello MarioGom, I see you reverted an addition to Priti Patel:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Priti_Patel&diff=1060107340&oldid=1060039943

May this content be restored please? I see a valid deletion criterion, but it also happened to be important information about a serving UK Cabinet member, and it seems well sourced. Clark42 (talk) 13:11, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Clark42: I removed it while cleaning up edits by a banned user. But if you think the content and sources are good, feel free to add it back. MarioGom (talk) 13:36, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Thank you; I'll do that now :) Clark42 (talk) 13:39, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

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Given that you filed this sockpuppet report, you might be interested in this edit. It shows that Ponyo's and RoySmith's conclusion "More likely coordinated than straight up socking" was accurate. I will compile more evidence and present it at WP:AE per this comment.VR talk 20:44, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Vice regent: Thank you for the heads up. I have some further notes about that case that I'll share in the relevant venue. MarioGom (talk) 20:47, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
Vice regent, Mario: no need for AE. Mario showed me the diff as well and I went ahead and applied a TBAN under DS. GeneralNotability (talk) 21:09, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
Thanks GeneralNotability, but at whose direction was TDB making those edits? Surely, the master deserves sanctions too. VR talk 21:27, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
Vice regent, that is an excellent question, but unfortunately one we're probably not going to be able to conclusively answer with available evidence. GeneralNotability (talk) 21:28, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
@GeneralNotability: I'll post some evidence on my sandbox and ping you two. I have a hunch and I think its worth exploring, otherwise the next time the master will use a more careful puppet. Such puppets are a huge drain on volunteer time. TDB was a tendentious editor who WP:GAMED our rules for disruptive purposes - I have evidence of that too. A few more TDB's and good editors will be pushed away from this topic area.VR talk 21:32, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
Or maybe posting it publicly isn't the best idea as it enables future puppetry. Should I email it to ArbCom or someone in private?VR talk 21:37, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
Vice regent, you're welcome to send things my way via email for review, but I suspect ArbCom is the correct final destination. GeneralNotability (talk) 02:16, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, will do.VR talk 21:59, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Should I also start an ANI thread about TDB? The proxying + this thread is enough evidence that TDB is WP:NOTHERE. And if proxying is what's happening with Rondolinda, then they are NOTHERE either.VR talk 21:43, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

GeneralNotability I see you're a checkuser, so I want to ask you some questions. Can CU link a current account to one that hasn't edited in months? Is it because IP addresses change location after a while? What if an account was CU'd, say, last year as part of a SPI? Do checkusers keep notes on an account's location (eg. account X was in city Y on date Z), so that even if an account hasn't edited in months its location can still be linked to a current account? Thanks, VR talk 21:59, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Vice regent: CheckUser data (e.g. IP) is retained for 90 days. So you can assume that a CheckUser can only confirm accounts within a 90-day window. There's a private CU wiki and mailing list, and CheckUsers might know some additional long-term info about some SPI cases (e.g. sockfarm geolocates to country X). Reporting stale accounts (no edits in 90 days) is usually not useful at SPI. MarioGom (talk) 23:46, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, and that's what I suspected. The question I've been asking is why would someone resort to meatpuppetry as opposed to make the edit themselves? The most obvious reason is to evade CU. But who would need to evade CU? It seems like someone who has another active(-ish) account on wikipedia. An account inactive for years probably won't get caught by CU. Feel free to play the devil's advocate.VR talk 02:24, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
Vice regent, someone who is unable to make the edit - perhaps someone who is thoroughly blocked right now, including their IP(s). Alternatively (and this is very much hypothetical), multiple separate editors who are being coordinated by a third party. GeneralNotability (talk) 02:37, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

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Xerox 1200

Hi. you recently marked the Xerox 1200 article as having unreliable sources, but I am unsure as to which ones you mean. is there a tool you used to determine this? Or did you see a source you know to be unreliable? I apologise for my ignorance in not knowing how to determine this myself. Can you give me a pointer? AVandewerdt (talk) 21:32, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi AVandewerdt: First of all, thank you for creating the article.
I didn't review every source, but I spotted a couple of problems:
I'd suggest reading Wikipedia:Reliable sources, which is the relevant policy and a good overview on how to assess reliability. If you have any doubt, feel free to ask. MarioGom (talk) 22:18, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks. I have removed four cites including the two you identified as well as a corporate blog post. The facts cited are now supported by new cites that are reliable AVandewerdt (talk) 23:46, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

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Isa Silveira Leal page.

Hi MarioGom, thanks for reviewing the article and take your time to help new reviewers like me. It was based on the Portuguese page, but I tried to use references in English as much as I could. It would be great if you help me to add the Translated page tag in the right place. TL-WP-CA (talk) 04:29, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi TL-WP-CA: Thanks, I have placed the tag myself. See it here: [1]. Best, MarioGom (talk) 08:05, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

COI

Hey @MarioGom, I am not aware that I have any conflicts of interest concerning the articles I am editing on WP. Any specific questions? Is it about involve.me? ☆☆☆ interstellarpoliceman ☆☆☆ 15:01, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

interstellarpoliceman: Yes, I'm concerned about COI with involve.me, TEDxVienna, and anything related to monochrom. MarioGom (talk) 16:03, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
I already debated this with some users roughly 2 years ago. I am a volunteer at MQW and Medienkunstarchiv Vienna, Austria. I am interested in working on articles related to art and (subversive) culture in Austria, because I think there is a lot of interesting stuff out there, but it's hardly covered. And sometimes, if it is covered, let's say the article about Public Netbase, it is rather bad. I'm not part of TEDxVienna, monochrom, etc. As an example, I do indeed know about involve.me because it was started by the TEDxVienna founder, and I like that event here in Vienna. That's why I looked into involve.me and thought it might be worth an entry. To be honest, software is not my area of expertise, and that's why I also think the article turned out a bit subpar. In case you have specific questions, please let me know. All the very best. ☆☆☆ interstellarpoliceman ☆☆☆ 21:20, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Interstellarpoliceman: Q21 seems to have a close connection to monochrom, and your editing history looks like coordinated with 3 or 4 other people with real life connections to monochrom, Johannes Grenzfurthner, etc. Four of these accounts now jumping into the creation of involve.me (now at Draft:involve.me) in a narrow timeframe looks like coordinated editing, see WP:COI, WP:CANVASSING, and WP:MEAT. MarioGom (talk) 22:08, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Q21 consists of more than 60 institutions, all of them have their scenes and connections, but they are not related to each other besides the fact that they are located at Museumsquartier, a big cultural area in Vienna. There is no common employer or financial gain. If you like I can provide you with info. You refer to users who "jumped in" (as you call it). I know one of them and he is part of the Vienna hacker community and a member of the hackspace Metalab. All the best. ☆☆☆ interstellarpoliceman ☆☆☆ 23:41, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
interstellarpoliceman: Yes, indeed. I think we're talking about the same user with an obvious conflict of interest with the Metalab article too. Note that conflict of interest does not necessarily involve financial gain. I recommend reading WP:COI. MarioGom (talk) 23:52, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Will do. I can definitely talk to the guy, I see him every now and then at events. My main job is working at a publishing house. I never added anything related to my day job to WP, just interesting stuff from my art background. I am definitely a fan of projects like Public Netbase, TEDxVienna, monochrom... that's why I am interested in helping with their WP articles, but I do not know any of them personally. Thanks for the conversation. ☆☆☆ interstellarpoliceman ☆☆☆ 10:02, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
interstellarpoliceman: Thank you. Best, MarioGom (talk) 12:20, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

World_Federation_of_Associations_of_Pediatric_Surgeons

Dear Sir, I am trying to cope with all the regulations but the demands are contradicting. I had added lots of references from literature about the history of the Association and its website but previous mods removed them. I can add them back again and submit for review if that would make things clearer. Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pianzaco (talk • contribs) 19:22, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Pianzaco: Ok. Let's go step by step, is "Pianzaco" the name of your employer? MarioGom (talk) 21:05, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
MarioGom: No PIANZA is my name. I am a physician and freelance digital marketer. I do pro bono work for surgeons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pianzaco (talk • contribs) 08:11, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Pianzaco: Ok, thank you for clarifying this. As a digital marketer working for surgeons, even if it is pro bono, our conflict of interest guidelines apply. You can use the Articles for Creation process to submit drafts for review. MarioGom (talk) 10:12, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Can you bring back the kinemaster page so i can remove the text and make oringial ones?

I'm sorry for copying the txt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TzarN64 (talk • contribs) 14:04, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello MarioGom

hi Dear , About removed the Ibrahim Al-Dulaimi

I agree with Wikipedia's policy of G3 standards
I contributed, persevered, and worked very hard in obtaining private information.
Through my searches and searches, I made sure of all sources and activities to get to the real information
I leave for make sure From some sources: http://www.winstarchem.com/news-detail1.php?newsId=6
i hope you try to look for it
Thank you and i greetings to you )

DodeDznIQ (talk) 13:58, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

DodeDznIQ: Please, see WP:RS. Unless there are reliable sources, Wikipedia is no place for that article. Private information is not usable in Wikipedia articles per WP:V. MarioGom (talk) 16:43, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you, i know about WP:RS but if you don't believe me, you can get information from the him members.
More reliable sources will be added.
I wish you a nice and happy day, Greetings. DodeDznIQ (talk) 17:02, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
DodeDznIQ: It doesn't matter if I believe it or not. A Wikipedia article needs reliable sources. MarioGom (talk) 20:04, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
and I know that, Of course. DodeDznIQ (talk) 20:26, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi MarioGom

Thanks for your message and the information about disclosure of Interest. The page was edited without knowing about these regulations for two purposes:

. There were wrong data regarding university affiliation and authorships that could have consequences for the person affected and others. The person who wrote the article did a good job but was not well-informed. I did not know that the way to correct mistakes in a page was by making a complaint through talk. I assume that the complaint goes to the initial author of the page or to the person who made the changes, I do not know. In this case, any of those persons could read it or not and could have time to change it or not and in the meanwhile, the persons affected are unnecessarily exposed to the spread of harmful information.

. Additionally, there was a note saying that the article lacked references and I took the time to add them.

Thanks for the info MarioGom. Sometimes complex to understand how does this work, but happy at the same time to see and learn Lucastron21 (talk) 10:03, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

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Hi, You removed the Rocky Enterprise Software article for copyright reasons. Did you note that everything on the website https://rockylinux.org/ is under BSD license? Ref: https://github.com/rocky-linux/rockylinux.org/blob/main/LICENSE https://rockylinux.org/licensing --Heikkikoskinen (talk) 02:08, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Heikkikoskinen: Thanks for the update. I didn't see the license before, since the footer simply states © 2020-2021 Rocky Enterprise Software Foundation. All rights reserved. I'm asking for a second opinion on how we can comply with BSD-3 New terms, since they require attaching the license text. Note that a regular reference does not count as attribution. Attribution is usually done with the {{Free-content attribution}} template. MarioGom (talk) 14:36, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Nthep: Hi! You performed a revdel I requested at Rocky Enterprise Software Foundation. It turns out the content is BSD licensed, which might be compatible with Wikipedia if the appropriate license boilerplate (license text copy) is placed in the talk page. I'm not sure what should be done in this kind of case...? Thank you. MarioGom (talk) 13:50, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
@MarioGom@Heikkikoskinen As I read it the BSD license applies to the software, not the website. The website carries a clear copyright notice as MarioGom points out. Reading the license it talks about the software code and binary forms thereof, nothing else. Nthep (talk) 14:39, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Nthep: Note that the above repository holds the source code (and content) for the website, not the software. But still it might be ambiguous. I'm also ok with everything staying as is, since the website has no clearly marked content license. MarioGom (talk) 14:43, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
It's analogous to the MediaWiki software which is available under the GNU GPL and text content here on Wikipedia which is not under the GNU GPL but another license. Just because the Rockylinux software is available under BSD doesn't mean that covers the website too. If it did why does the website contain a prominent copyright notice and not "this content is under the BSD license"? Nthep (talk) 14:55, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Nthep: Fair enough. Thank you. MarioGom (talk) 15:00, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Meant to add, I'm always open to reconsidering if there is new information e.g. the license statement on the webpage changes. Nthep (talk) 15:04, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

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Dear Mario:

I sent you a message on the 30 of January (see below). I have not received any answer. My situation is quite uncomfortable. There is a page on me that I modify because it was not well documented and there was information that was creating trouble for me including a wrong affiliation. This is not a matter of opinion. It is a matter of fact. Additionally, I add some references to the parts that were (more or less) correct.

Now, you include a message on the article regarding potential payments that is quite ambiguous. Someone could even interpret that I was paying myself, while I have no relation at all with the person that wrote the original article. I feel this is very unfair, to be honest.

I think there must be some kind of solution. I wait for your instructions on how to solve this. As a curator, I suggest you revert those changes you think are inappropriate. Just be aware that this will mean going back to providing inaccurate and potentially harmful information on me.

I fully rely on your wise criteria and advice


Thanks for your message and the information about disclosure of Interest. The page was edited without knowing about these regulations for two purposes:

. There were wrong data regarding university affiliation and authorships that could have consequences for the person affected and others. The person who wrote the article did a good job but was not well-informed. I did not know that the way to correct mistakes in a page was by making a complaint through talk. I assume that the complaint goes to the initial author of the page or to the person who made the changes, I do not know. In this case, any of those persons could read it or not and could have time to change it or not and in the meanwhile, the persons affected are unnecessarily exposed to the spread of harmful information.

. Additionally, there was a note saying that the article lacked references and I took the time to add them.

Thanks for the info MarioGom. Sometimes complex to understand how does this work, but happy at the same time to see and learn Lucastron21 (talk) 10:03, 30 January 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucastron21 (talk • contribs)

Lucastron21: I added the message about undisclosed payments because Captainoatmeal was a sockpuppet by Index of Sciences LTD, a spam company paid by Pau Pérez-Sales to create the article. In case of COI, you can edit the article, in particular uncontroversial edits, although you are recommended to request changes in the talk page. Changes can be requested using the {{Request edit}} template, which will add your request to a queue monitored by other users. You can receive further help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Edit requests. Best, MarioGom (talk) 09:11, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Dear Mario: This is fascinating. I have Googled them and found no info on that company. And Index of Science has just a facebook acount with not much info. Where can I consult that info on the disclosure of payment?. Furthermore, if you have that info, as a curator, it wouldn't be better to simply delete the page?. Hope you can advice.Lucastron21 (talk) 10:37, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Lucastron21: Most of their creations were deleted under speedy deletion criteria G5 (Creations by banned or blocked users). However, it does not apply in this case because the page has substantial edits by other users. About Index of Sciences LTD, you can check more info at Wikipedia:List of paid editing companies#Index of Sciences LTD. I'm not posting here the billing records, since they contain some sensitive information. MarioGom (talk) 13:59, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

GlobalPlatform

I noticed that Draft:GlobalPlatform was incubated and I’m trying to understand why to rectify the problem. I was directed to WP:COIEDIT, despite following the rules regarding COI declaration and going through AfC. Hopefully this is a case that my COI declaration was missed and nothing more serious than that.

If there was a problem with the references on the draft, it would be good to understand which I should avoid using. The draft included a number of what I would deem to be credible independent references, such as Computerworld, Electronics Weekly and EE Times. If it is the case that more references need to be added to the existing ones, then please let us know and we can look into this.

I would appreciate if you could take a look at the draft again, hopefully this can be resolved quickly.SaffronSettee (talk) 15:41, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Please, see the Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies): A company, corporation, organization, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Independent reliable sources do not include press releases [2][3], or self-published sources [4]. Your draft was moved to article space by someone who is not an AfC reviewer, which is discouraged (ping Popo le Chien), so I'd suggest to submit the article again. For the shake of transparency, per WP:DRAFTOBJECT, if either of you object this draftification, you can move the article back to article space or I will do it myself. Best, MarioGom (talk) 21:35, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

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Server.com

Hi,

The Server.com article has 5 independent sources that specifically mention "Server.com" in the headline- Network World, Media Life, About.com, Yahoo! Internet Life, and TechCrunch. Do these meet the WP:Notability requirements? Sean Brunnock (talk) 13:19, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Brunnock: Replied on the article talk page. MarioGom (talk) 17:37, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Would you mind?

Hello! Would you mind updating the Gender imbalance per country table? I've finished another 20! I really enjoy this work, so thanks for creating the queries in the first place. Lajmmoore (talk) 21:46, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Lajmmoore:  Done. Thank you for the reminder! MarioGom (talk) 23:34, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

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Please see article Exclusive Movies

First, every year and your presence is good, you and the honorable family are fine, health and happiness, Lord of the worlds , The sources have already been added to the article, so please look at them. Thanks Kitrsjlhf (talk) 23:17, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Kitrsjlhf: Please, do not remove the tags about the deletion discussion. An administration will remove them when the discussion is closed. The discussion can be seen at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Exclusive Movies. You can learn more about the deletion discussion process at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Best, MarioGom (talk) 23:36, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

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Discussion is closed, why do you return template? --2A02:A464:EFC:1:EDAF:E134:DB95:C5AE (talk) 18:11, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

The only discussion I see is Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 10, which was a procedural close. I reverted to the most stable target, the original one. Anyway, I don't care which one stays. Feel free to nominate to RfD. MarioGom (talk) 18:16, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Red-Haired Shanks vote

Thank you for your edits to the Red-Haired Shanks article. Currently a user proposed it is an article for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Red-Haired_Shanks. Feel free to make your opinion known. --Plumber (talk) 20:46, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi Plumber: thanks. I was already aware. I'd suggest you to avoid any notification about AfD in user talk pages. That's the easiest rule of thumb to avoid canvassing issues. Neutral notifications to WikiProjects in the projects' talk pages can sometimes be a good idea, and if you choose to use them, it's a good idea to note it in the AfD with the {{Notified}} template. Best, MarioGom (talk) 18:10, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
Ah, ok thank you very much. I was unaware of that template. --Plumber (talk) 21:07, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

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Atsme: Articles that are at AfD can generally be marked reviewed, since the AfD result will override anything else. Also, this is hardly a new article. Anyway, I won't touch it myself again. Best, MarioGom (talk) 07:23, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
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Atsme: Sure, no problem! Best, MarioGom (talk) 16:19, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

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Hey MarioGom - I've just been going through some undisclosed paid contributor articles and seeing if they can be cleaned-up and de-promotionalized. I just took a crack at ASPCA which you'd tagged back in November and was going to remove the template but wanted to make sure you didn't have any objections first? THX! Chetsford (talk) 23:56, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Chetsford: No objections. Thanks you! MarioGom (talk) 06:18, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Sounds good - thanks for ID'ing the problem on the page! Chetsford (talk) 13:01, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Vegan Friendly article

You put Vegan Friendly as articles for deletion. I think I have really improved the article, but I have got no reply from you :). Thanks for helping :) Adam080 (talk) 16:10, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi Adam080: please, see Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). In particular, the primary criteria section. It includes an explanation of the notability criteria for organizations, including a table of examples. Let me know if you have any doubt. Best, MarioGom (talk) 16:19, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

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Hello! I know you have an interest in the ongoing 2022 monkeypox outbreak, so I wanted to invite you to the new monkeypox outbreak task force, which I started from the WikiProject of current events. The task force’s goal is to improve any and all articles relating the the new outbreak. I hope you consider joining! Elijahandskip (talk) 06:32, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Elijahandskip: Thanks for the heads up. MarioGom (talk) 07:01, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022

New Page Review queue March 2022

Hello MarioGom,

At the time of the last newsletter (No.26, September 2021), the backlog was 'only' just over 6,000 articles. In the past six months, the backlog has reached nearly 16,000, a staggering level not seen in several years. A very small number of users had been doing the vast majority of the reviews. Due to "burn-out", we have recently lost most of this effort. Furthermore, several reviewers have been stripped of the user right for abuse of privilege and the articles they patrolled were put back in the queue.

Several discussions on the state of the process have taken place on the talk page, but there has been no action to make any changes. The project also lacks coordination since the "position" is vacant.

In the last 30 days, only 100 reviewers have made more than 8 patrols and only 50 have averaged one review a day. There are currently 817 New Page Reviewers, but about a third have not had any activity in the past month. All 859 administrators have this permission, but only about a dozen significantly contribute to NPP.

This means we have an active pool of about 450 to address the backlog. We cannot rely on a few to do most of the work as that inevitably leads to burnout. A fairly experienced reviewer can usually do a review in a few minutes. If every active reviewer would patrol just one article per day, the backlog would very quickly disappear.

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non-constructive unsplit

About you unsplitting Tai Xuan Jing Symbols [5] etc. Your es does not make sense: if indeed it had not enough reliable secondary sources to justify, that very issue is not solved by putting the whole article into a section. IOW, that section would still have "not enough reliable secondary sources"per your own claim. (To be clear, I do reject that claim, but that obviously does not matter at this point).

So please revert (=restore the split), and be specific, at the talkpage as disputing, in the actual wrong you see (and that would merit an unssplit). -DePiep (talk) 19:32, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

DePiep: Yes, the non-split article has problems, but you're just making them worse with the split. If there are no reliable secondary sources, the standalone article should not be created. Please, see WP:GNG. MarioGom (talk) 19:42, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
For starters, you yourself added the {{Primary sources}} tag, i.e., admitting there was a maintenance issue, not article removal. Of course you and everyone is supposed to leave the tag & let maintenance be done. (But instead you removed the tag without solving: a sin). In the GNG claim you make here, in all possible issues mentioned in there you'd have to hang into the most extreme interpretation to get a point; you did so but without igniting a discussion as may be expected for controversial editing. -DePiep (talk) 20:24, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
btw, I note that you're just making them worse is personal attack not on content. -DePiep (talk) 20:29, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
DePiep: Feel free to revert my merge. A different new page reviewer will review it at some point, not me. But I would suggest adding at least one reliable secondary source. Best, MarioGom (talk) 22:40, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
DePiep: For further clarification of my actions here:
  • I saw this article for the first time when patrolling new pages on 7 May. I had a quick look and noticed it relied on primary sources alone, so I added the {{Primary sources}} tag. Note that adding a maintenance tag does not protect an article from deletion, draftification, merge, or blank-and-redirect, even by the same editor who placed the tag. I don't understand your point here, or why it's a sin.
  • On 12 May, since no other new page reviewer reviewed the page yet, I decided to look at it closer. The split did not seem to be any improvement over the merged version, and it didn't look like passing WP:GNG (not an extreme reading, just a basic one). So reverting the split was a fair option, and non-destructive, since it preserves history, and also the previous content on the redirect target.
If you're sure this passes WP:GNG, you'll make a great favor to the next reviewer if you come up with 1 or 2 reliable secondary sources. Of course, you're not required to. Best, MarioGom (talk) 00:33, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
OK, that's to do then. FYI, the tag was removed when all content moved back into the broader article: while the cause i.e., lack of sources was not remedied (no sources added) for the very same body of text. Hence, I said: a sin. -DePiep (talk) 17:20, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

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COI Edits to Omidyar Network

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2019 Montenegrin municipal elections

@MarioGom: I updated the article with some additional data and references, would you mind checking it if it needs further verification.--AT44 (talk) 15:02, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

AT44: Ok. I removed the tag and marked the article as reviewed. Thank you! MarioGom (talk) 15:05, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Where to contact wp-es patrollers?

Hello MarioGom,

I hope you are doing fine. We are working on fr-wp on a new patrolling software (fr:Wikipédia:Patrouille RC/Projet LiveRC 2.0/en). I would like to reach es-wp patrollers to ask for their feedbacks, but both es:Wikipedia_discusión:Patrulla_CR and es:Wikiproyecto discusión:Antivandalismo seem not very active. Do you know where, on es-wp, I could contact patrollers/wikipedians fighting vandalism?

Best, — Jules* talk 15:42, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Hey Jules*: You can post it to the Village pump (Café): es:Wikipedia:Café/Archivo/Miscelánea/Actual (Misc section). Let me know if I can help translating or canvassing some people. Best, MarioGom (talk) 16:10, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
Thanks! I will ping you when I publish my message there in english, so you can translate it in spanish then if you want. — Jules* talk 16:17, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Why you nominated Anđele for deletion?

Hi, cam you just tell me why are you nominated page of album Anđele for deletion?Whats wrong with it? Slovena4ther (talk) 19:32, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Slovena4ther: Most new pages in the English Wikipedia go through new pages review. That means a reviewer (me, in this case), assesses whether an article meets our notability policy or not. For an article about an album, it should meet the general notability guideline, that means the topic should have received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Alternatively, the article may meet some of the notability criteria for recordings). As far as I can tell, there is not enough coverage in reliable sources for Anđele, so I nominated it for deletion. Now it's up for others to discuss if the topic is notable or not.
If you think the topic is notable, you can help by adding new reliable sources to the article, or bringing them up to the deletion discussion.
Best, MarioGom (talk) 21:06, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Oh, but do you know how many other albums by Balkan artist are there without enough coverage Like Dobrodošao u klub, 1 Razlog, Devojka od čokolade and Many more, and they didnt get nomination for deletion. Slovena4ther (talk) 21:09, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

That is an argument that will not get you very far. Please, see WP:OTHERSTUFF. I haven't reviewed the articles you mention. I have reviewed Anđele, and that's the one I assessed and nominated. Best, MarioGom (talk) 22:32, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter June 2022

New Page Review queue June 2022

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Backlog status

At the time of the last newsletter (No.27, May 2022), the backlog was approaching 16,000, having shot up rapidly from 6,000 over the prior two months. The attention the newsletter brought to the backlog sparked a flurry of activity. There was new discussion on process improvements, efforts to invite new editors to participate in NPP increased and more editors requested the NPP user right so they could help, and most importantly, the number of reviews picked up and the backlog decreased, dipping below 14,000[a] at the end of May.

Since then, the news has not been so good. The backlog is basically flat, hovering around 14,200. I wish I could report the number of reviews done and the number of new articles added to the queue. But the available statistics we have are woefully inadequate. The only real number we have is the net queue size.[b]

In the last 30 days, the top 100 reviewers have all made more than 16 patrols (up from 8 last month), and about 70 have averaged one review a day (up from 50 last month).

While there are more people doing more reviews, many of the ~730 with the NPP right are doing little. Most of the reviews are being done by the top 50 or 100 reviewers. They need your help. We appreciate every review done, but please aim to do one a day (on average, or 30 a month).

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Tags

Hi Mario, I have improved the articles about Ramón Álvarez de Mon and Tomás Roncero, could you please remove the tags? They are very famous sports journalists in Spain, if you need to make any other change, let me know and I will be glad to do it. Dandilero (talk) 20:58, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Dandilero: To assess notability, think about which sources are about them, not by them. MarioGom (talk) 21:08, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Sorry to bother again, but I have improved both articles. Dandilero (talk) 07:46, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

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Update Puerto Rico and Saint Lucia for monkeypox.

Hi, so currently I read a source saying Puerto Rico has seven confirmed cases and four suspected could you please add. Source1:(Dominican Today)

And by the way Saint Lucia confirmed a case of monkeypox as well. Source2:(Magnetic Media TV) 73.126.133.15 (talk) 18:11, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Please, request this at Talk:2022 monkeypox outbreak. More people might be able to make these changes if requested there. MarioGom (talk) 18:44, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

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Backlog status

After the last newsletter (No.28, June 2022), the backlog declined another 1,000 to 13,000 in the last week of June. Then the July backlog drive began, during which 9,900 articles were reviewed and the backlog fell by 4,500 to just under 8,500 (these numbers illustrate how many new articles regularly flow into the queue). Thanks go to the coordinators Buidhe and Zippybonzo, as well as all the nearly 100 participants. Congratulations to Dr vulpes who led with 880 points. See this page for further details.

Unfortunately, most of the decline happened in the first half of the month, and the backlog has already risen to 9,600. Understandably, it seems many backlog drive participants are taking a break from reviewing and unfortunately, we are not even keeping up with the inflow let alone driving it lower. We need the other 600 reviewers to do more! Please try to do at least one a day.

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