User talk:OscarLake

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Adoption

Hi OscarLake,

I have added some new stuff for you at my adoption page. Sorry, it has been a few days!

Matty.007 18:06, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

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DYK

Hi Oscar,

Some of your articles look interesting. When you make a new article which is long enough, 1500 bytes, you can submit it for DYK on the main page. If you are interested, please respond on my talk page, or give me a talkback and reply here.

Best wishes, Matty.007 18:52, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

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I am not sure if you watch my talk page... So here is notification for you Matty.007 21:14, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

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New assignment, not been done for a few days. Any Qs, I am in holiday until 19 August. Matty.007 16:45, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Question

Hi OscarLake, I was just wondering if given that it has been a while since you last edited the adoption page if you still wanted adoption? Thanks, Matty.007 17:12, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I wanna continue with the adoption. It's just that I get lazy towards the end of the summer and stuff like that. I'll be right on it as soon as I become smart again, lol. Speaking of adoption, how are things going along with Dansong? Will you look for another adoptee if he quits? See ya OscarLake (talk) 18:34, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

That's fine, I was just checking you didn't want to go off on your own. Dansong hasn't responded to a notification of his username, and hasn't edited in about a month, so I have asked on his talk page if he still wants adoption, the same as I did here. I may look for another adoptee soon, if Dansong has quit, but I am quite busy at present, so will likely just take it as it comes. Thanks for the quick response, Matty.007 18:48, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

I do now have a new adoptee, Fort esc (if you're interested}. Thanks, Matty.007 18:05, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Are you still editing (perhaps less regularly)? Thanks, Matty.007 19:12, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Matt. I've started editing more frequently now. Today, I created two new articles. When's the next assignment coming? OscarLake (talk) 23:25, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

There has been one up for a few weeks if you want to have a go. Thanks, Matty.007 16:08, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, must've overlooked it. I'll get it done either today or tomorrow. OscarLake (talk) 16:10, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

No problem; there's no rush. Thanks, Matty.007 16:11, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

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Don Lusk

Hi OscarLake. Looks like my hunch was correct in that the sources for Don Lusk do not qualify as reliable sources, especially for a BLP (see the RSN thread). Can you find anything else to possibly save the article? Canadian Paul 19:48, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy Birthday?

I saw that you changed your age on your userpage... Happy Birthday? Best, Matty.007 10:19, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Actually, my birthday was already on October 13, but I forgot to update it then. But thanks. :)OscarLake (talk) 10:22, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Have you got a working computer now? Matty.007 10:48, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

If you don't want to be adopted anymore, you only need to say. Best, Matty.007 12:28, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Matt, as I stated before, my computer is not working. As you can see, I haven't created a single article since November. Instead, I've been able to make "easy" edits via my phone. Edits that mainly requires adding/deleting some text. Other stuff, like adding references proved more tedious without a laptop, I tried...I guess putting improvement tags, which the adoption assignment requires, would also be kinda hard via a phone. Sure, I could just buy a new computer, but I have many important documents in my old one, so it's sent for reparation. But I'll see if I can borrow my sister's or someone else's just to finish the task to get it over with. OscarLake (talk) 13:46, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't realise that you still didn't have a computer. I saw that you were editing, but the 'Mobile edit' tag wasn't showing, and you were editing. No need to hurry, there's no rush. Hope you have a great 2014, best, Matty.007 14:47, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

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Zsa Zsa Gabor

Your edit has been reverted. Gabor's year of birth is widely held to be 1917. If, however, you have solid evidence to the contrary, please provide same as a valid reflink. Thanks. Quis separabit? 14:13, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

You know, I think it's kind of disrespectful of the user TFBCT1 to disregard the source I provided, without explaining why he considers it inadequate yet he didn't remove the reference link. It's obvious that he didn't check out the link, because it supports 1918 as year of birth.

Think about it...An official American shipping document that's dated June 2, 1941 gives her age as 23 years old (her birthday is in February).

Does this document triumph the majority of sources that give 1917 as birth year? Yes! The closer a document is to birth, the more accurate it is regarded as. Even gerontologists who study supercentenarians apply this type of "age measurement" methods called "the 20-year window". Naturally, a birth record would be ideal, but those are only found in Hungary, so...

Btw, while most sources say 1917, many of them are quick to emphasize that this isn't set in stone.

But whatever, I'm not gonna revert again. If no one's convinced, then I'll just let it be...But remove the reference at least. Thanks. OscarLake (talk) 15:47, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

I apologize if I acted too rashly. I see your point about the shipping document. Yes I agree that a 24 year old wouldn't likely feel the need to make herself a year younger, although many actors have been found (after death before the Internet) to have been a year or two older than they claimed. I am not sure however if we should change the year based on the shipping document alone, but I may add a note that some sources indicate she may have been born in 1918. Thanks for your vigilance. Quis separabit? 23:39, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

No worries :) I agree with the compromise of at least mentioning the shipping document. I have another document from 1960 that (I think) says 1918, but it could just as easily say "1928" instead so I'm not sure. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-22440-69064-76?cc=1932363&wc=M947-1FC:n987176291 OscarLake (talk) 23:54, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Done yesterday. Quis separabit? 01:31, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Viola Stimpson

I have no idea what criteria you use for your "Oldest Hollywood actors" list, but it seems to be missing Viola Stimpson. I have no idea if she's notable or not, but I thought that I would point it out. Canadian Paul 00:52, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Hey, Paul. Thanks for the suggestion. I'll look into her later. So far, I've only put actors that have their own Wikipedia page. But I'm prepared to make exceptions if I'm convinced that they really reached their claimed age. As for notability, I'm fairly lenient in that aspect. OscarLake (talk) 16:45, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Carlos Romero (footballer)

Hi Oscar, can you please provide a reliable source for this edit? Otherwise it has to be reverted. The same applies to Héctor Vilches. Thanks and regards --RonaldH (talk) 15:16, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Hey! Sorry, I forgot to add references when I made all those edits. I found the information on this page: http://baudoscampeoes.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/copa-do-mundo-de-1950-no-brasil.html

While it is a blog, the information looks accurate to me. 15:26, 5 March 2014 (UTC)OscarL

Enjoy your list of longest living actors/actress

And some of the other ones-something I was also wondering if you can ever do it is something like "list of longest since there film debut" I don't mean just living but those who died too (IE there first film was in 1912 and they died in 2010). (As well as other people who were in films if possible, and longest living after they won a Oscar)

Well one Munchkin remains meanwhile. Wgolf (talk) 04:44, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Glad you enjoy them, Wgolf! Your idea sounds interesting but I'm not sure Wikipedia allows too many userpages that aren't in mainspace. I have 4 already. However, if you start up such a page on your userspace, then we can work on the list together. What do you think? OscarL 15:24, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Welcome-you know one problem with the longest career thing is that quite a few are non consistent, like Anita Page, she had a long break making it look a lot longer. As opposed to Mickey Rooney (and Ernest Borgnine who I thought for sure be listed, but nope was not). Wgolf (talk) 15:46, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

It would be impossible for me to draw the line. What if one actor was consistent except for a 22 year long absence in the 80s for example? It's easier to count the years between first and last role. Borgnine only had a 60 year long career; he had been in the navy for 10 years prior to that. OscarL 00:44, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Ellen Albertini Dow

Whatever you feel of the relative merits of WP:BLPPRIMARY, it is a policy and is crystal clear about the use of census information for living people. I know that you are aware that BLP violations are taken very seriously at Wikipedia, so please respect the community's policy on this issue. If you have a reliable that discusses her birth year as being 1913 or her centenary, then by all means add it, but primary sources (and IMDB, for that matter) are unacceptable for biographies of living people. Canadian Paul 00:22, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

I understand what the policy states; what I don't get is why it exists. Is it a matter of privacy? The 1920 census is a public record, we're not releasing anything confidential or anything. Do you want me to change back Mary Carlisle's age to 1912 again as well? If 1918 stays, then I will personally never come to Ellen's page again because it contains wrong information about her. She is not listed 2 years old in the 1920 census is she? Sigh... OscarL 00:29, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

If you don't like the policy, then take it up on the policy page, don't revert because you don't agree. You've been here long enough to know that Wikipedia operates on community consensus, as well as verifiability over truth, not what you personally feel is "correct". If you're going to contribute to Wikipedia, you have to accept maturely the fact that things won't always go your way and work towards convincing others that your view is correct through proper channels. As for your "threat", put it in this context: Wikipedia has turned down potentially millions of dollars to ensure that its policies remain consistent and community-based. They won't be abandoned for the benefit of any one user. Canadian Paul 21:12, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

You're right, Paul. Sorry for the little "outburst" earlier. If the community has reached consensus on a policy, then I should respect that even if I don't agree with it. Since we both edit on similar articles, we should cooperate rather than argue. Speaking of that, I've found a few sources that proves John Rodney's death in 1996. You can check his talkpage and see if you want to remove him from your nonagenarians list or not. Cheers! OscarL 21:36, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Rodney's case is pretty borderline. My personal interpretation is that the source (his daughter) is good enough and there's enough leeway with WP:IAR that it can probably stay as is. But if someone else comes by with a different perspective and removes it, don't be surprised; it's likely to be a legitimate concern. In any case, he will be removed off my personal list. Canadian Paul 19:32, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Another name you should remove from your list is Totti Truman Taylor. Check her page for death reference. OscarL 08:45, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

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List of centenarians (actors, filmmakers and entertainers)

I'm sure you've seen the mess being created at List of centenarians (actors, filmmakers and entertainers). I suspect that some of these (Germaine Auger, Tatzumbia Dupea, and Gustave Field) are hoaxes of the ilk of Loni Nest and Louise Henry (actress) that are being given legitimacy by mixing them in with genuine centenarians such as Mabel Richardson and Horacio Coppola. I know you were working with this issue off-Wikipedia, so I thought I'd bring this to your attention in case you wanted to pass it on. Canadian Paul 02:34, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed that. And as you say, I'm familiar with a few of those names off-Wikipedia; I started a thread about Germaine Auger when I was new at 110 Club. We couldn't verify her her as supercentenarian or even centenarian. Besides, she would probably fail an AfD nomination. Dupea's SSDI suggests a final age of 96 but I suspect an even lower age than that. You know, the hoaxes of Nest, Henry and Illery has made me more skeptic of sources in general. Some others discussed the matter on the forum Nitrateville, so I'll stop by every now and then to see if anything else becomes revealed. OscarL 06:38, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

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Death dates

Hi OscarLake, you added the death dates to the articles of Carlos Romero and Héctor Vilches Can you specify the sources for both dates? Kind regards, --NiTen (talk) 12:59, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Is there a list of longest living people in films not including actors/actress?

Like people who are editors, even set decorators, ect. I do know that these people are alive: Elmo Williams-editor, age 101,John B. Mansbridge-art director, age 97, Peter Berkos-Sound editor, age 92. But yeah it be a interesting list. (Which today a interesting case happened with this guy Hal Gausman, he was long featured as dead but I found some evidence that he was alive and born in 34 but then the German wiki says he died and was born in 1917, I have it on the talk page)

Oh and here is a guy I'm pretty sure is at least 90-John Poyner.

I have been moving quite a few in and out of the possibly living the past few days also.

Wgolf (talk) 00:48, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for these suggestions, Wgolf. I'll look into them when I have time. For now, I only include actors/actresses, but I guess an additional list of miscellanous people in the film industry could be a good idea. OscarL 01:44, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I found quite a few that are 90 or that are close or might be. (One guy who was nominated for the first Star Trek movie in art direction has no age listed-but his picture on another site makes me think he is at least 80. While there is one guy who worked on Patton that is in his 90s!)

Wgolf (talk) 04:16, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Need help with Tracy Stratford

I need help with the Tracy Stratford article. Is there a WikiProject for the Twilight Zone that could help us? Paul Austin (talk) 10:07, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Hey, sorry for the belated reply. Unfortunately, I don't know who she is and I've never watched the Twilight Zone before. You could ask over at the tearoom (or whatever it's called). Lol. Good luck. OscarL 22:37, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Shep Houghton

Hey Oscar. I added some more information about Shep Houghton at the Simple English. Do you think he is notable enough. I did some research and I found he is indeed notable (my opinion). I added more sources. Can you review it to see if I can create the article here? Thanks. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 02:01, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm not sure. The last time it failed afD, there were literally zero articles about him. But on his 100th birthday, there was a lengthy article about him (second source in English Wikipedia). The problem about notability remains though; he was uncredited in 99% of his movies according to IMDb. See if you can ask an admin such as Canadian Paul for input. OscarL 22:41, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

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Birthdate of Barbara Perry

Hello OscarLake,

I noticed that you created the article Barbara Perry and that you gave his birthdate to be June 22, 1923. But on the U.S.Census 1930 made in April 1930 she is 8 years old. And on an immigration document from Febuary 1941 they write that Barbara Perry from Norfolk, Virginia, is 19 years old and is born June 22, 1921. I believe that, like many others actresses from this era, she skipped some years to when entering Hollywood and that she is really born in 1921. Here is the document from 1941 that says she was born June 22, 1921 (you click on the document photo to view and on the "+" to enlarge to see better) -> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24L8-5YS What did you think, my friend? Thank you if you had read me. --Danielvis08 (talk) 12:20, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Daniel. Thank you for this interesting information. It does indeed seem that 1921 is a more likely birth date than 1923, based on those documents. Also, a 1940 census should also be available on FamilySearch, so we can look at what it says too. Having said that, I'm not sure it is encouraged by Wikipedia policies to use census data/official personal documents as a reliable sources on biographies for living people. At least that's my understanding from a past dispute I had with an administrator once. What I would suggest it that you paste your text onto the Barbara Perry talk page in order to involve other users in the discussion. I had a look at the existing sources and none, except for IMDb, seem to state any birth year at all. So, we might be able to change it through communit consensus. Best regards, Oscar. OscarL 20:32, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Flight Nurse (film)

Did some work on a film you created. Check it out. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 22:08, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

User:Bzuk, thank you for your help. The article looks really good now! Nice work. OscarL 16:58, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

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Hi there OL, from Portugal,

first of all, please accept my sincere apologies for the hysterical summary, 100% uncalled for. Now, for the technicality: you can ask at WP:FOOTY to see if i'm lying, but i can assure you (have been an editor for 11 1/2 years now) that if a player never appears in X/Y/Z league he will not get the league category, only the club one.

Attentively, sorry for any inconvenience --Quite A Character (talk) 15:37, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

No worries, User:Quite A Character. Thanks for your reply! OscarL 07:10, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

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User:Teblick Thanks, Teblick. Hopefully, she is alive but it appears to still be unknown at this point. OscarL 12:01, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

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I had not thought about a subsection to focus on celebrity interviews, but it's a good idea. She certainly had lots of them. Eddie Blick (talk) 00:36, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

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Your research on Charles Edward Graves

Dear OscarLake,

Please make sure to submit your recent research on Charles Edward Graves's (1888-1999) case to the Gerontology Research Group and to LongeviQuest.

Best regards,

68.4.99.100 (talk) 09:13, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

I mean both the 1892 and the 1896 school census entries that you have found for him/his siblings. 68.4.99.100 (talk) 21:10, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

I don't have the time or energy to do a validation report for this case. Would you mind doing it? I know that GS already sent an application years ago, but I think it's best do one from scratch (especially to LQ). And you are more than familiar with the details, so... 1892 & 1896. OscarL 13:08, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Once I'll get access to my e-mail again, sure, I can try doing this. I have a question, though: How did you find the e-mail address for the Mississippi chapter of the Daughters of the American Revolution? What website did you find their e-mail address on? 68.4.99.100 (talk) 20:54, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Here: https://jonescogenealogy.org/ OscarL 07:18, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

To clarify: You mean through the Contact form here, right?: https://jonescogenealogy.org/contact.php 68.4.99.100 (talk) 20:45, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Also, as a side note, since you had already made contact with them, twice, can you please ask them if they have school census data for any other year within the first 20 years of Mr. Graves's lifetime (1888-1908)? I don't think that they do, because I haven't found any other school census books for Jones County, but maybe there's something that I'm unaware of. 68.4.99.100 (talk) 20:48, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I would like to know the specific page numbers of the school census books for 1892 and 1896 where Charles' family was listed. 2600:8803:C115:EED0:E8F6:8430:4171:14DD (talk) 03:09, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

The 1892 book is on page 66 and the 1896 book on page 108. But I think the biggest challenge is finding out which date (or even just month) these ages were written down. OscarL 13:16, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! 2600:8803:C115:EED0:CC0C:A4B:3DFB:B841 (talk) 21:45, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I'd like to inform you that I am currently working on a validation report for LQ. 2600:8803:C115:EED0:4C04:3FC:4728:3A5D (talk) 02:04, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

And it has been sent. 2600:8803:C115:EED0:4C04:3FC:4728:3A5D (talk) 04:08, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

2007–08 Udinese Calcio season moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, 2007–08 Udinese Calcio season, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Sakiv (talk) 23:53, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi User:Sakiv. I think it is highly inappropriate to move an article to draftspace without it going through the AfD process. Who are you to single-handedly decide to take it off the mainspace? This is not something that is usually done and I will seek for other opinions. Secondly, the article has two sources that support the listed first team squad. It also links to that overall Serie A season, making things like league position verifiable. More importantly, nothing contentious has been included which makes this course of action a sign of power abuse in my opinion. A football season at the highest level in Italy cannot fail an article for deletion, so you had no real basis on which to move it even if temporarily. Also, Wikipedia is filled with articles where there is room for all sorts of improvements. Why would it be such a bad thing to just let it be and allow me to improve it while in mainspace? What possible damage does it do really? I don't get it. Very discouraging, because I don't have a track record of making low-quality edits on Wikipedia in my ten years. As I said, one single editor should not have the power to move it without discussing with others first. I will definitely file a complaint somewhere, unless you have a second opinion after reading this. Have a good day.OscarL 06:07, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Other editors, including the author of the page, but excluding editors with a conflict of interest, have a right to object to draftifying the page. If an editor raises an objection, move the page back to mainspace and, if necessary, list it at AfD. A page may only be moved unilaterally to the draftspace a single time. If anyone objects, it is no longer an uncontroversial move, and the page needs to be handled through other processes, such as deletion, stubbing, tagging, etc.

It says on Wikipedia:Drafts#Objections that you should move it back to mainspace if there are objections. Take it to AfD if you really think it's that bad. OscarL 06:17, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

2005–06 Udinese Calcio season moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, 2005–06 Udinese Calcio season, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more in-depth coverage about the subject itself, with citations from reliable, independent sources in order to show it meets WP:GNG. It should have at least three, to be safe, and you currently have zero. And please remember that interviews, as primary sources, do not count towards GNG.(?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:15, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

2007–08 Udinese Calcio season moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, 2007–08 Udinese Calcio season, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more in-depth coverage about the subject itself, with citations from reliable, independent sources in order to show it meets WP:GNG. It should have at least three, to be safe. And please remember that interviews, as primary sources, do not count towards GNG.(?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:28, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Please read what I wrote to Sakiv. Who are you to move articles without getting community consensus first? And again, an article does not need to be perfect from start. It takes time for it to grow and expand, and such a process CAN take place in mainspace. It's like I'm dealing with bots here, not actual humans. Weird...OscarL 18:15, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

2010–11 TSG 1899 Hoffenheim season moved to draftspace

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Nomination of 2005–06 Udinese Calcio season for deletion

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Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:58, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Categories

Hi there, all well?

Seeing what i saw in (for instance) Jonathan Viera, the following: please do not add the "Footballers from the Canary Islands" category to articles, it is considered (in this case) a sub-category for "Footballers from Las Palmas".

Happy editing! RevampedEditor (talk) 17:33, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Revamp. What if I (or someone else) want to find out which footballers were from the Canary Islands. Then I'd have to go through each individual island. And how can a bigger region be a sub-category of a smaller one? I'm not sure what Wikipedia policy is regarding sub-categories, but I feel like different layers should be used to collect different information. I guess I just don't understand it...OscarL 19:00, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

I see where you are coming from, totally. But it's the guidelines of the site that determine it. You can ask any football-linked admin for confirmation (i.e. :@GiantSnowman:). If i'm not seeing it correctly, then i apologise to anyone concerned.

Regards --RevampedEditor (talk) 17:50, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but the category has 84 articles. With your argument, shouldn't the category have zero instead? I mean, all 84 players are from one or another Canary island, no? Guidelines or not, without a convincing counter-argument, I will re-add the category to the players. I have been editing here for ten years and have never come across what you are bringing up. Sorry. OscarL 15:51, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

PS. Since you were the one to bring this up, I would be glad if you could link me those guidelines you refer to.

• No worries, i'll only relocate them (to be next to "Footballers from X/Y") if that's OK with you. I have come across several of such examples, but now just can't find one even though i browsed several articles. I guess you could have waited for the admin's reply (i pinged him, so he should come here any day), but no worries. I also see where you are coming from with the "84 categories" reasoning, but that does not necessarily mean they are correct(ly) inserted.

Sorry for any inconvenience, continue the good work --RevampedEditor (talk) 17:14, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Ah, got it! See for instance here (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chico_Flores&diff=prev&oldid=1039255136), "Footballers from Andalusia" AND "Sportspeople from Cádiz" both removed, replaced by "Footballers from Cádiz". --RevampedEditor (talk) 17:50, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

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E-mail

Hi Oscar,

There is a user who formerly participated over at the 110 Club who would like to contact you but doesn't know how. Do you have an e-mail address that could be used to contact you and, if so, would it be OK (as in, not a violation of your privacy) for you to post it over here?

Also, as a side note, one of the users whom you talked with on the 110 Club talked about how they fantasized inflicting violence on the woman whom they impregnated and their resulting child if their bilateral epididymectomy plus radical scrotal vasectomy will ever fail after three successful/negative semen analyses and the woman involved will subsequently change her mind about both abortion and adoption as well as about never hunting them down for child support. The reason that they fantasize about inflicting violence on this hypothetical woman is pretty obvious–she's a swindler, after all! But the reason for inflicting violence on their hypothetical child, in their view, is to prevent their child from developing a superiority complex over children who are conceived through artificial insemination. After all, like many children conceived through artificial insemination (such as the twins conceived in the Ferguson v. McKiernan case), their hypothetical child would only ever be wanted by a single parent and yet, unlike children conceived through artificial insemination (such as, again, the twins conceived in the Ferguson v. McKiernan case), this hypothetical child would be entitled to financial support from both of their biological parents as a result of courts helping this child's swindler mother extract a huge cumulative amount of support of child support from this child's father for 18+ years. I fail to see how exactly this is not going to result in this hypothetical child developing a HUGE superiority complex over children who are conceived through artificial insemination, a superiority complex which unfortunately the former 110 Club user whom you have previously talked to believes can only be reduced by having this hypothetical child's father physically beat this child (with a belt, with a cane, with their hands and fists, et cetera) on a regular basis.

Do you have a better solution to this hypothetical situation, Oscar? After all, educating such a hypothetical child would be completely pointless and ineffective because the law and judges would always be on their side and on the side of their hypothetical swindler mother (who this former 110 Club user also believes deserves a good and thorough physical beating on a regular basis, if not even more than that). I'm asking this question is good faith, BTW. Is there actually any better solution to this problem/issue? 172.56.185.176 (talk) 03:09, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

And Yes, I get the solution: Only ever have sex post-extremely extensive sterilization with women who are verified as consistently using extremely reliable birth control and who also promise abortion, adoption, and not to seek child support in the event of an unplanned pregnancy. The thing is, though, that failures and changes of mind can always happen. If in-vitro gametogenesis was already a reality, then chopping off testicles might be feasible, but alas, it isn't and won't be for a while. 172.56.185.176 (talk) 03:47, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

May I ask why exactly you are reaching out to me about this? Our conversation took place about two years ago and what you have written here indicates that you are irredeemable when it comes to the subject matter. What has changed? Let me be clear, the only reason you and I are acquainted in any form of way is through our shared interest in longevity. That’s it. These opinions, thoughts, and values of yours are not something that I have any desire of doing a back and forth conversation about. It is futile, because you are clearly not going to do a 180 anytime soon. You are asking me about solutions to a hypothetical problem that you have been mulling over for literally over a decade. No offense, but have you ever been intimate enough with a female that your worry is anywhere near of coming to fruition? If not, then you might as well focus your worry on fearing that a piano falls on your head while you’re out walking in the streets. Anything can be justified in one person’s head, but that doesn’t make it morally acceptable. Beating your child as a preventive measure so that it doesn’t become arrogant is ridiculous. You’d only flip the kid’s developmental process to the other extreme. You don’t actually believe a child who is physically and mentally abused will grow up to be a well-balanced normal individual, do you? The intensity with which your paranoia has blurred certain moral lines over the years, how do I know it won’t bleed into other things that outrage you? Frankly, I would not be comfortable with sharing my email with such a person, even if my identity is pretty guarded. If this is an attempt to seek help and redirect the directions your phobias take you, I would highly recommend talking to a professional or join a psychology forum. I’m definitely not the right person for this. And yes, we had a good rapport in 110 Club for the most part, especially when researching and discussing new cases. You were often the first one to congratulate me for a new discovery. For that, I would like to thank you for all the good memories we had. I wish you the best of luck in the future, but like I said: There are few things as off-putting to me as your violent tendencies (whether in theory or practice). OscarL 15:19, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Honestly, Oscar, after some further deep retrospection, I have concluded that your approach to this issue is correct. Our current child support laws are seriously unfair and sometimes fucked up (I view the rulings in cases such as Straub v. BMT by Todd as being especially repulsive), but this isn't the right approach to push for change. My hypothetical unwanted future child wouldn't deserve this kind of crappy treatment at/by my hands, honestly. 172.56.186.238 (talk) 23:09, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

BTW, I strongly enjoyed cooperating and working with you on verifying SCs. 172.56.186.238 (talk) 02:53, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Park Fountain Heard

Hello again!

I am interested in locating images of the 1894 and 1892 Pontotoc Co. Mississippi school census entries (found here, and here</ref>) for a person named Park Fountain Heard (born around 1882) whose parents were Thomas Heard and Mary Duke.

This information might be of assistance to you:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/120775874/park-fountain-heard

https://www.mississippihistory.org/local-historical-societies

Pontotoc County Historical Society P.O. Box: 141 Pontotoc, MS 38863

Web: http://msgw.org/pontotoc/

I am not requesting that you buy these books, but rather see if you can email the right person (or people) to get access to the requested entries for Park Fountain Heard for free.

Thanks — Fish. 2600:8803:C115:EED0:EC3F:792A:6D3E:F6FD (talk) 06:09, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Sure, I'll see what I can do. By the way, if you are who I think you are, then it's been quite a few years. How have you been? OscarL 00:14, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you!

Sorry, but I don't think I am the person you think I am.

Also, I would like to share that the Will Andrews claim (1890-2001) was most likely born in January 1893. 2600:8803:C115:EED0:9D42:7E11:3A9D:812F (talk) 03:55, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Any updates? 2600:8803:C115:EED0:495A:32B1:E7C5:2B1 (talk) 23:16, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Oh ok, I was thinking of someone more than 7 years ago...Anyways, no updates yet but you can check here again on Friday or over the weekend.OscarL 23:30, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Ah, ok.

Thanks! 2600:8803:C115:EED0:495A:32B1:E7C5:2B1 (talk) 00:20, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Any updates? 2600:8803:C115:EED0:2D28:AAFF:4A0:8641 (talk) 02:33, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, no response so far.OscarL 17:59, 7 February 2024 (UTC)