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Hi Sarastro, would you be willing to review Sair Tjerita Siti Akbari at Peer Review? It's well outside of your usual area of interest, but I think that would be perfect to help iron out any flaws there, to see if there's enough context for the general reader. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:55, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
And one from me: Wikipedia:Peer review/Claire Taylor/archive1. She seems to have beaten Palairet to being ready for the next stage, though I'm not that happy with either. But at the moment I can't see the sky for the clouds. Harriastalk 23:19, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
No rush from me; I'm still pretty busy in real-life, hence I'm constrained to editing late at night when Test matches are on! Harriastalk 23:36, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments so far: I've looked over them, but just haven't had the time to respond to them yet. Feel free to continue with the rest of the article if you want: I'm looking pretty stacked until next week, so don't feel you have to wait for me to start replying! (Or, if you prefer a break from the article, feel free to wait!) Harriastalk 11:19, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi Sarastro. I've finished responding to your points on the above FAC. Thanks again for the review, and the support! Lemurbaby (talk) 04:47, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Lbw
Then you better pray Dhoni's boys keep pulling off great results to keep me on a cricket high. :)—indopug (talk) 12:30, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Wisden
With all the work you've done on Yorkshire cricketers, I thought I'd give you a "heads up" that the new Wisden has an article marking the county's 150th anniversary that has much of interest to say about many of their great players. You may well be in the habit of buying it every year anyway, but in case yoou aren't I thought I'd point it out. JH (talk page) 17:14, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Surprisingly, I am not finding as much non-statistical information on him as I would like via the one or two offline sources I have and online sources including newspaper archives researched via HighBeam. So I would take you up on your offer for a more thorough review. Thanks. GoPhightins! 21:05, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Another X-Files favor...
I have a favor to ask of you. You did such a wonderful job combing through "The Sixth Extinction II: Amor Fati", that I was wondering if you could give "X-Cops" a look-see? I'm hoping to get it up to FA as well. If you can, there's no rush. Thanks!--Gen. Quon(Talk) 04:26, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
That's fine; take your time. Thank you for your willingness to help!--Gen. Quon(Talk) 00:14, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Hobbs
"As a batsman, he lacked flamboyance..." Unqualified, that's rather misleading. As the article says later on: "Early in his career, mainly before the First World War, Hobbs was an aggressive, fast-scoring batsman who played many shots." JH (talk page) 09:11, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Yes, that's better, though I'm still not sure it's altogether true for Hobbe pre WW1. There was an innings that he played against Yorkshire in 1914 (can't remember which ground, though it was in Yorkshire) that AA Thomson raved about. But if you've got further work on the article planned, I dare say that section might all change. JH (talk page) 17:18, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
There surely ought to be something about the occasion in - I think - 1919 when Surrey needed to score 96 in 45 minutes to beat Kent, and Hobbs and Donald Knight knocked off the runs in 32 minutes. JH (talk page) 09:07, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Doh! Of course it was Crawford. I tend to forget about the other Hobbs articles. You're probably right that it doesn't merit being in the main article. Good luck with the FA! JH (talk page) 20:54, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Herbert Page
Hi. I photoshopped Herbert Vivian a bit to make him less strangely shaped. Johnlp (talk) 19:27, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
I did a crop of Lyonel Hildyard too; he and Brain have cigarettes on the go while the picture was being taken. Johnlp (talk) 20:05, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Jack Hobbs
I'll take a look at it on Thursday. That's when my schedule will finally start to free up a bit. Looking forward to reading this one. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:23, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Sutcliffe's birthdate
As you've probably seen, someone's altered Sutcliffe's dob, saying on the Talk page that "I have a copy of Herbert's School enrollment at Darley and his birthdate is given as 24 Feb 1895. The GRO confirms that he was registered Ist the first quarter of 1895." I was inclined to revert it on the grounds that (a) this would be a primary rather than a secondary source, (b) a citation hasn't been included in the article and (c) can we even be sure that it's the correct Herbert Sutcliffe, but as this article is your specialty I thought I'd leave it to you. JH (talk page) 08:50, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
FAC
Hi. I've put up Ra.One for an FAC, but it's seen little activity for some time. Could you take a look at it, and put up your thoughts? I'd like to get working on the article once more. Thanks. ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 15:37, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Thomas Ellison FAC
Hey. Thanks for those comments. I have addressed most of them at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Thomas Ellison/archive1. There are a couple more things to do, but would be good if you could looks over my replies. I've been going over some of my sources with a fine-tooth comb, so may take a little longer for some of the more difficult questions! - Shuddetalk 11:59, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure I have addressed those additional comments. Any feedback would be great. - Shuddetalk 07:51, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
The Maidens
Thanks for the cleanup. I have been running into a lot of these in various places in the tree when adding categories. I do try to remember to move the assessments on the talk page and the links. Sometimes that does not happen. The Maidens was interesting since the lights could have been split into two articles. Thanks for your help. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:33, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Well I'm impressed! Sarastro1 (talk) 20:02, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
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Percy Fender (1892–1985) was an English cricketer who played 13 Tests and captained Surrey between 1921 and 1931. An all-rounder, he was a belligerent middle-order batsman who bowled mainly leg spin and completed the cricketer's double seven times. In 1914, he was named one of Wisden's Cricketers of the Year, and in 1920 hit the fastest recorded first-class century, reaching three figures in 35 minutes (which remains a record in 2013). In county cricket, he was an effective performer with bat and ball, and a forceful though occasionally controversial leader; contemporaries judged him the best captain in England. From 1921, he played occasionally in Tests for England but was never particularly successful. Despite press promptings, he was never appointed Test captain, and his England career was effectively ended by a clash with the influential Lord Harris in 1924. Further disagreements with the Surrey committee over his approach and tactics led to his replacement as county captain in 1932 and the end of his career in 1935. Cartoonists enjoyed caricaturing his distinctive appearance, but he was also well known outside cricket for his presence in society. (Full article...)
Would you be willing to do a talk-page review of Gagak Item in preparation for FAC? Tiny article (very few records available), so it shouldn't take too much of your time. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:52, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! I've responded with a couple questions (and quite a few copyedits) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:45, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Music hall v Cricket
Hi Sarastro, I would be happy to. I have also listed my FAC yesterday which is Marie Lloyd. I can't think of a better day than a bit of Cricket and then a night at the music hall! I would be greatful too for any comments. All the best CassiantoTalk 00:39, 15 May 2013
Oh, you have, thanks! -- CassiantoTalk 02:45, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
If you can find time, would you have a look at Jane Joseph, at peer review? Tim will cover the musical detail, I'm sure, but any comments of a general kind will be most welcome. Brianboulton (talk) 18:45, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
P.S. I see Percy Fender is TFA the day before my Rite of Spring; they will make a fine pair Brianboulton (talk) 18:52, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
Can I now upgrade this request to the FAC page, where Jane now is? If you are able to comment there, may I ask a favour, namely that you include sources in your review. It's mainly me that's doing FAC source reviews at the moment, and I can't really do my own. I am very glad to see that Hobbs was promoted today - who's next on the list? Brianboulton (talk) 21:22, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
PR request
Hi Sarastro, glad to see Hobbs got to FA nice and quick. I've got another PR open, this time for a more meaty article. If you have time, could you look into Wikipedia:Peer review/Lie Kim Hok/archive1? It's surprisingly not related to a movie ;) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:38, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for looking! I've responded to all your comments, but there are some questions. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:05, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
Cricket poser
As the resident cricket guru, you may have noticed, as I have, that of the current England XI no fewer than 8 have monosyllabic names (Cook, Trott, Bell, Root, Prior, Broad, Swann, Finn). Bearing in mind that only about 20% of English surnames are of a single syllable, this proportion seems extraordinary. Do you think it is a world record? (And two of the three polysyllabics are by no means sure of their places in the side). Comments, please (if you can be bothered). Brianboulton (talk) 14:01, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
On a more constructive note, re Fender. The article states: "He attended celebrations in Australia to mark 100 years of Test cricket and was the oldest man there." I think this should be dated, or that at least the year (1977) should be given, as not everyone will know when Tests began. Incidentally, he also attended the English centenary celebrations at The Oval in 1980, when an Old England XI played an Old Australia XI. I was there, and I saw him. Brianboulton (talk) 14:13, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
Bajana
Thanks for your GA review. I think I've responded to all your comments, though some more work might be needed. Nice work on Hobbs; I did read it during the FA review, but by the time I had, it had already passed before I could comment! Still, never mind! Harriastalk 10:12, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Review Request
I assume you are very busy, so if you don't have time for this, I understand. Is there anyway you could look over "X-Cops" and review the prose? I'm hoping to prep it for FA, and a good look-over is really the thing I need at this point. Thank you!--Gen. Quon(Talk) 16:40, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
No biggie! I didn't want to push and/or rush you!--Gen. Quon(Talk) 21:29, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
G O Allen
Nothing of any consequence in my Douglas-Home sources, though I see he wrote the preface to Granny Swanton's biog of Allen. (I wish to point out that despite being Sir Alec's WP memorialist I am a lifelong liberal.) I have emailed you apropos a few possibly useful press cuttings about GOA. Tim riley (talk) 21:45, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
I have replied to your point about Dolly on my talkpage. Not much help, I'm afraid. Brianboulton (talk) 11:48, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
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Leg before wicket (lbw) is one of the ways in which a batsman can be dismissed in the sport of cricket. The umpire may rule a batsman out lbw if the ball would have struck the wicket but was intercepted by any part of the batsman except his bat. The umpire's decision, however, will depend on a number of criteria, including where the ball pitched, whether the ball hit in line with the wickets and whether the batsman was offering a shot. Lbw first appeared in the laws in 1774, as batsmen began to use their pads to prevent the ball hitting their wicket. Since the 1990s, the availability of television replays and, later, ball-tracking technology to assist umpires has increased the percentage of lbws in major matches. However, the accuracy of the technology and the consequences of its use remain controversial. Owing to its complexity, the law is widely misunderstood among the general public and wrong lbw decisions have sometimes caused crowd trouble. Since the law's introduction, the proportion of lbw dismissals has risen steadily. Statistics reveal that the probability of a batsman being dismissed lbw in a Test match varies depending on where the match is played and which teams are playing. (Full article...)
Just wanted to let you know that the latest small batch of comments from the PR is it from me, as I finished reading the article. If you were waiting for that review's completion to start an FAC, feel free to open one. Hopefully, I'll get through the many articles at FAC that I want to review and make a visit to yours. Giants2008 (Talk) 00:29, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for this review; I hope I've resolved the issues. Thanks again and have a great weekend! Cheers —Cliftonian(talk) 13:49, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
PR
Hi there Sarastro, mind if I pick your brain a bit for another PR? I am pretty sure Sorga Ka Toedjoe is almost ready for FAC, but I would like some input from people who aren't already familiar with the subject area (this one has pictures!) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:57, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. No hurries! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:50, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
FA advice
Hi. I noticed you do a lot of work on Featured Articles and I was looking for some advice. I've not been through the FA process in a very long time, and I think Superman lost its star a while back. I'm looking to get Crystal Palace F.C. and History of Crystal Palace F.C. up to FA level in time for the new football season because I'd like to see if I can get one of them on the main page in time for the new season which starts Saturday 17 August 2013. What steps do I need to take, and would you be prepared to comment at Wikipedia:Peer review/Crystal Palace F.C./archive1 or give a Good Article review of History of Crystal Palace F.C.. Appreciate any pointers you can spare the time to give. Thanks, HidingT 14:26, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Crawford
I don't have access to the British Library Newspaper Archive. Assuming that the letters aren't enormously long, then I'd like to see them. Thanks. JH (talk page) 20:30, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Britten PR
Many thanks for your comments. Some nails hit squarely on the head, for which I am truly grateful. (I chuckled at your comment about purple prose, and will examine my conscience.) I send this note of thanks now lest a second day like today's at Trent Bridge should cause you to spontaneously combust. Tim riley (talk) 23:18, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
PR again
Hey Sarastro, way to go with Archie! What's next? I've got another article, Djaoeh Dimata, up for PR here if you'd be willing to stop by. Plot isn't as well developed, but considering the state of many films in Sinematek Indonesia's archives it's doubtful I'll ever be able to watch the film. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:59, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. Just drop me a ping if you've got something. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:52, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Hedley Verity (1905–43) was a professional cricketer who played for Yorkshire and England between 1930 and 1939. He was named as one of the Wisden Cricketers of the Year in 1932 and is regarded by critics as one of the most effective slow left-arm bowlers to have played cricket. In 1932, he took all 10 wickets in an innings against Nottinghamshire while conceding just 10 runs. These bowling figures remain, as of 2013, a record in first-class cricket for the fewest runs conceded while taking all 10 wickets. Verity was never lower than fifth in the national bowling averages and took over 150 wickets in every year except his first, assisting Yorkshire to the County Championship seven times in his ten seasons with the club. He played regularly for England and achieved the best performance of his career when he took 15 wickets against Australia in a Test match at Lord's Cricket Ground in 1934. The outbreak of the Second World War ended his career and he joined the Green Howards in 1939, achieving the rank of captain. During the Allied invasion of Sicily in 1943, Verity was severely wounded and captured by the Germans. Taken to Italy, he died in Caserta from his injuries and was buried there. (Full article...)
Hi Sarastro! A little over a year ago, you were kind enough to complete a peer review on this article, and asked me to let you know when I put it up at FAC. Well, I took my dear, sweet time with it, but the article is now up for the bronze star here. If you have any further interest or comments in this article, your views would be most appreciated! Thanks, Resolute 02:27, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. One of your concerns was a large time gap in his management career. I spent the last little while acquiring every media guide Calgary has released, and that helped me fill in the gaps. Thanks! Resolute 22:46, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Capel FAC
Hi Sarastro. I've provided Albacore with more comments, but I too feel the content seems a bit short of comprehensive. Any ideas where Albacore might search? ceranthor 23:49, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Just a quick question
Do you know of any user who'd be willing to help me copy-edit/peer-review articles? I'm having the hardest time tracking anyone down, and I don't want to constantly bug the same two or three people (you included) all the time. Thanks for all your help!--Gen. Quon(Talk) 20:32, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
No worries about the belatedness of your reply. I just thought I'd check. I had assumed that there is almost a drought of copy-editors, since I'm having a really hard time tracking any others down. I have a few articles I want to have looked over, and I don't want to throw them at FAN only to get torn to pieces. I might ask you in a month or two for some help again, but thanks for all you've done!--Gen. Quon(Talk) 00:40, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm working on this guy's bio because its mentioned in a DYK for the main page. I notice there is quite a bit of stuff about him in FA articles that you have been involved with. As the "white captain" he seems to have got mixed reviews. Can I interest you in taking an interest? .... but thank you anyway for the FAs you have written which describe his career in some detail. If you can point me at a free pic then that would be handy. Victuallers (talk) 11:28, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply - I was lucky enough to find some stuff from his later life which was not uneventful! What is clear is that any colour prejudice seems to have come from those running the sport. This guy gave his life to working in a small mission school that was closed down by the government because it was too successful at creating black leaders. The article is in the DYK queue so it could be on the front page tomorrow or in a couple of weeks. If you get time to just glance at the article and just check that I haven't misrepresented him then that would be a reassuring as I only have 0.1% of your knowledge in this area. Victuallers (talk) 07:48, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
There are two WP:RFCs at WP:FOUR. The first is to conflate issues so as to keep people from expressing meaningful opinions. The second, by me, is claimed to be less than neutral by proponents of the first. Please look at the second one, which I think is much better.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:31, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Browsing through the current list of articles up for Peer Review I noticed this one and naturally thought of you. (I just mention it. No obligation to purchase, as the old shop signs used to say.) Best wishes, Tim riley (talk) 13:04, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
Hello Sarastro, hope your well. Just a quick note to let you know of the listing of Little Tich at peer review. I would love for you to take part if you're able to. Many thanks! -- CassiantoTalk 08:50, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Now at FAC! I welcome any further comments you may have (and of I can return the favour anytime let me know ;) -- CassiantoTalk 19:04, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
Howdy
Been a while, hasn't it? See you haven't edited in nearly a month, hope things are fine over there. I still owe you a PR, in case you're hunting for one. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:01, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I'm willing to expand this article; GAN is not my goal though. Willing to suggest something? —Vensatry(Ping me) 13:31, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure what you are asking me to do, and I'm not particularly active right now. Sarastro1 (talk) 17:42, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Since I don't have any biographies, can you suggest something on how to expand his article. —Vensatry(Ping me) 18:58, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Your best bet, without having to plough through hundreds of match reports, would be something along the lines of Wisden almanack reports or tour summaries on Cricinfo. The only similarly modern player I've worked on is Curtly Ambrose, for whom there is also no biography. For him, I used Wisden, but also several "feature" pieces from newspapers. It's a bit of a slog, though, and using Wisden can make it a little too Anglo-centric. But that is probably the only way for now. Sarastro1 (talk) 19:14, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Precious again
cricketers
Thank you for quality articles on cricketers, such as the first black West Indian George Headley (suggested as TFA), and for thorough copy-editing, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!
I should be able to start my Leyland review shortly. In the meantime I have nominated Tippett at FAC, here, and will be very pleased to have any comments you care to give. Brianboulton (talk) 19:35, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article George Dewhurst (cricketer) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Harrias -- Harrias(talk) 23:02, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Damned bot beat me to it. But yeah, I've reviewed it, not much to say, pretty good on the whole. Ping me when you respond, as I'm not keeping track of my watchlist as well as usual at the moment. Harriastalk 23:04, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Note: Bots do write articles now, too. Not allowed on the English Wikipedia anymore, far as I know, as all they do is leave stubs. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:09, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Sorry. I've had so little time online lately. This review, and my FA nom of Palairet are being neglected in favour of my month-old daughter at the moment I'm afraid. I'll hopefully find some time this week for both though! Harriastalk 08:06, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
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