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1. Re the "better source needed": I realise now that I had it in the wrong place – I meant it in reference to the ending of the Breeze project rather than to the fate of 321448 specifically. I wasn't able to find a source for whether the project had actually been cancelled and I didn't want to rely on an article to which I didn't have access. Are you able to advise on how well it supports the claim?
2. Re Lackenby's status as a village: it's what our article says it is, and that's cited to an OS map that I presume has different ways of showing the scale of settlements. I defer entirely to a better-supported description, should one turn up.

Cheers. XAM2175 ^(T) 22:00, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

XAM2175 Ta. Point noted - the Today's Railways does explicitly state the project has ended, and on the Lackenby front - big industrial area, but I would have said hamlet as there does not seem to be a church. However, that's an issue for my other main interest, Wikipedia:WikiProject Yorkshire. Thanks for the info and regards. The joy of all things (talk) 22:12, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

That's grand, thanks very much for you help. XAM2175 ^(T) 23:11, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

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Hi, here's a new category that I created that you can add to your userpage. Category:Wikipedians who have earned the 100.000 edits award. Davidgoodheart (talk) 20:54, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Davidgoodheart Thank you! Regards, The joy of all things (talk) 22:00, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Davidgoodheart Er, slight issue, should it not be 100,000 rather than 100.000? The joy of all things (talk) 22:01, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Fixed it: Category:Wikipedians who have earned the 100,000 edits award: You can add it now if you would like to. Davidgoodheart (talk) 22:26, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

		The Content Creativity Barnstar
		Thank you for creating Beckett Street Cemetery. Articles like this are extremely useful resources for those of us who create local historical biographies, and your hard work on this one is much appreciated. Power to you! Storye book (talk) 18:07, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Storye book Thank you, much appreciated. Happy editing. The joy of all things (talk) 19:29, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Advice welcome

Hi there. I'm trying very hard to get my first page approval, but not having much luck. I chose a TV political commentator as my subject after seeing them give a live interview and then did some research into their career - he seemed look a good subject for my first page creation! Draft:Leon Emirali

You contributed to my first draft, which I was very grateful for. However, the draft then got rejected. Do you have any advice on how I can improve it? Or do you think I should abandon this subject altogether and move onto someone/something new? Would welcome your advice. I'm keen to move from page editing to page creating at some point! Thank you JoinFluffy250 (talk) 16:52, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

JoinFluffy250, Hello, welcome, and thanks for reaching out. I only added to the article as it was showing up on a maintenance page, meaning it required attention due to a wiki mark up error, in this case it was missing a {{Reflist}} tag, which is essential to the reference section.

The editor who has reviewed your page is unfortunately quite right, the sources given do not pass the threshold needed to guarantee notability. I have looked for reliable news sources on the BBC, The Daily Telegraph, and The Times, and nothing seems to be there in regard of Leon Emirali; I fear you are on a hiding to nothing. But, please do not despair. Try writing an article about something, rather than someone. Where you live will probably have a wikiproject covering your county or region, that project page will most likely have an required articles section, though I recognise this might not be as exciting for you. Unfortunately, Leon Emirali does not pass WP:GNG.

Don't take this to heart, we have all been there; eight years ago my first few articles were rejected through articles for creation process. But then you get it right, and soon, you have automatic creation rights! However, all the usual rules of style, editing, a neutral point of view, reliable sources, and notability will apply.

I wish you happy editing. Regards, and good luck. The joy of all things (talk) 20:24, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

That’s incredibly helpful feedback - thank you. I did see he has written articles for The Times on at least two occasions, but obviously isn’t the subject of those articles so might not be appropriate? I’ll look at other potential subjects for a new page and take on board your suggestion about looking locally. Thanks for taking the time. JoinFluffy250 (talk) 04:17, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

JoinFluffy250, Yes, I had seen those in The Times, and yes, as he has written them himself, they can't be used, especially for what is a biographical subject, and is deemed as WP:PRIMARY. We like to use secondary, or even tertiary sources. So in his Times piece, if he said something like the NHS should be privatised, then the BBC ran that as an article, the BBC source would be okay. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 07:48, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for that. That happened in one of the articles he wrote for Conservative Home and the contents of it was picked up by “The I” newspaper. I’ve put it in the draft but will probably park my work on this one for now and maybe pick up later. Onto the next subject! Thanks again for your help. JoinFluffy250 (talk) 09:28, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Ingleton in Pennine Journey

I've disambiguated your link to Ingleton.

There is an easy way to avoid linking to disambiguation pages: if you go to "Preferences", "Gadgets", and look under "Appearance" you'll see "Display links to disambiguation pages in orange" towards the bottom of the section. Select that tickbox, and whenever you Preview a page you'll be able to see whether you've accidentally linked to a disambiguation page. Thanks, and Happy Editing. PamD 09:30, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. That one must have slipped by me, loads of the stops on the trail have similarly named places! Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 10:31, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Reflist missing

Please note that this edit didn't change the appearance of the page at all, and so was not necessary. {{Reflist}} is just a fancier version of <references /> , but in this case they do exactly the same thing. - dcljr (talk) 03:31, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Dcljr thanks for stopping by. Agree, and I know that it is an alternative to {{Reflist}}, however it kept on being listed at Wikipedia:Check Wikipedia as missing a reflist. I did a whole batch yesterday, and maybe it was the gap, maybe somebody else appended it between times, but I just carried out a dummy edit fo clear it from the maintenance list [1]. It's not there now, obviously, as I set it as done. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 07:36, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

I had just added the references tag about 10 hours before your edit; and the refs themselves were added about 6 hours before that. So I guess it was just "bad timing". Glad to know you're not systematically replacing all <references /> tags by {{Reflist}} template calls. [grin] - dcljr (talk) 01:47, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

I started extra making sure I deleted the space after the comma...

...because I kept seeing your comments that said "No space after the comma in DEFAULTSORT" but now I understand it means the opposite and that is what " - there should be" means...maybe the comment could be "there should be a space after the comma in DEFAULTSORT"...super minor thing, thanks for the corrections, I'll get it the right way around now... Cielquiparle (talk) 04:42, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Dorset & Wiltshire Fire and Rescue Service

As a respected contributor to fire service related articles (as well as others) I'd appreciate you taking a look at my latest additions to Dorset & Wiltshire Fire and Rescue Service. I want to make sure that what I have added is balanced and not given undue weight or bias. It's a horrendous topic IMHO and widely reported so meets notability criteria, but don't want any personal anger over the incidents to cloud what is written. 10mmsocket (talk) 12:19, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

10mmsocket "A respected contributor" wow, thanks for that, others may not agree! I have no issue with the content, all seems fine to me, the only thing I would change is another cite towards the end of the dead female RTAs section - or move cites 9 and ten to the end of that main sentence. As its quite notable and as you say horrendous, that really needs a cite. Thanks and good luck! Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 12:30, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Noted, thank you. 10mmsocket (talk) 12:39, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

thank you

will my article will be deleted 43.255.221.138 (talk) 04:32, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Alnwick Branch Line

Just for info, I kept my version of the revert which we both simultaneously carried out on this article because I also replaced the cite in that section. The old cite was the same as the bullet directly above, and referenced the incorrect unit. Danners430 (talk) 19:40, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Danners430 Ta, didn't realise we had conflicting edits, but thanks for letting me know. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 19:42, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

"Reflist"

The subsection should be "References", not "Reflist". Pelmeen10 (talk) 23:12, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

• Pelmeen10 could you be a bit more specific - which page was this? Thanks. The joy of all things (talk) 04:12, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Ah! was it Estonian Basketball Cup? Sorry, that should read == References == and then {{Reflist}}. That is completely my error. sorry. The joy of all things (talk) 04:15, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

    Not just that article, all your edits adding reflist template added the wrong header. Too many to point them all out. You should check all your corresponding edits. Pelmeen10 (talk) 10:53, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Pelmeen10 Yep. I've already been back and corrected them all. Thanks for pointing this out, that could have been more embarrassing than it already is. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 12:33, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Battle of Gandghar

who won this battle local pashton or sikh amry? 2404:3100:1000:20E6:1:0:83DE:B095 (talk) 12:57, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Does the article not make it clear? And why are you asking me? The joy of all things (talk) 14:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for my comment if you badly think. I just think why the background shows that this battle was won by Pashton. 2404:3100:1002:D785:1:0:86BA:36D (talk) 03:50, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

do you correct this battle? I want to correct this battle. but he blocks me from this article. 2404:3100:1002:D785:1:0:86BA:36D (talk) 05:38, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

I am sorry, but this is nothing to do with me. If you are some sort of edit war with another user, then please follow the advice at WP:BRD. I am totally unfamiliar with this topic, I merely added a missing template that is a requirement for most articles. Sorry. The joy of all things (talk) 15:18, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Kitra Cahana moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Kitra Cahana. Unfortunately, it is not ready for publishing because it needs more sources to establish notability, it is promotional and reads like an advertisement, you may have a possible Conflict of Interest and the subject does not pass WP:GNG - suggest a close reading of WP:FILMMAKER.. Your article is now a draft where you can improve it undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 13:49, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Alexandermcnabb Thanks, but it's not my article. It was on a list needing attention at WP:WCW, which is why I was involved for one edit. Fingers crossed, though. Cheers. The joy of all things (talk) 14:13, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Gotcha - my bad, it was created as a redirect by Bearcat and then filled out by an IP. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:18, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

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Batley railway station

There has been an ongoing discussion amongst members of a local history society with regards to the Wikipedia article on this railway station which was opened by the London and North Western Railway as there is no mention made of the Great Northern Railway services that later used this station. That being the case, should a history service box be added at the foot of this article showing the Great Northern Railway services.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 05:46, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Xenophon Philosopher Why not? Be WPBOLD:bold and do it! the only question is should the navbox be Historical or disused services? I would suggest looking at the next station down the line Batley Carr, and see what the format is there. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 10:47, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, at the age of 78, my computer skills diminish by each passing day. With regards to the navbox, I would say that Historical services would ne the correct heading for those former Great Northern Railway service patterns. In one direction from Batley there was the short line leading to the LNWR Birstall branch line, that had a single intermediate station of Carlinghow and then also the connection line to the GNR Batley to Adwalton Junction line via Chickenley Heath and then Ossett.

Noting the other direction from Batley, as you say was the GNR Batley Carr station which then led to Dewsbury Central station.

I hope that this information that I have supplied will be good enough for someone to add the navbox to the article.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 13:06, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

As a follow-up, would you be able to add the navbox to the article page on my behalf with the information on the LNWR Birstall branch line supplied above, please.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 10:51, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Xenophon Philosopher - Redrose64 has already done it..... The joy of all things (talk) 12:18, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Church lists

Hallo, thanks for creating Church of All Saints, Ledsham. It's shown up as a link on a couple of articles on my watchlist, so I've added it to All Saints Church - there are disambiguation pages like this for most dedications of churches, and it might help a reader looking for the article. PamD 22:53, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Those infoboxes...

...have lots of fields that confuse a novice. Thanks for tidying things up. Girth Summit _(blether) 18:33, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Girth Summit Ta - which one was it? Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 18:35, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Ah! Just seen the thanks for Findhorn. Lovely part of the world that is. The joy of all things (talk) 18:37, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes - those articles came from an early stage of my Wikipedia journey, when I was working my way through the List of Category A listed buildings in Moray, with the aim of writing all the articles that were missing. I wasn't particularly clued up on how infoboxes work (and I'm still not an expert, if I'm being honest). I never did tick them all off - some of them are more appealing to write about than others - I'd like to think I'll revisit it one day and finish it off. Girth Summit _(blether) 18:47, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

I did manage to get Cullen House to FA though, having started it from scratch. That one gives me a little warm (smug?) glow. Girth Summit _(blether) 18:49, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

"In the United Kingdom, any landform over 610 metres is defined as a mountain"

No it isn't. Unless you have a source. (I don't disagree that Ingleborough is a mountain, but there is no firm definition of "mountain".) Dave.Dunford (talk) 20:24, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Dave.Dunford A mountain is a generally accepted term for something over 610 metres (or 2,000 ft) by the BBC (first reference), and the Ordnance Survey, who mark anything over that threshold as a mountain on their maps (second reference). If the OS are happy with that distinction, then so I am, even though that is probably IMHO. Change it back if you think it's too ambiguous. Perhaps I worded it badly? Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 22:43, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

The BBC are not a geographical authority; they are fallible and I believe they are wrong on this. The claim that the OS "mark anything over that threshold as a mountain on their maps" is straightforwardly wrong – hills and mountains are mapped identically, as contours and spot-heights and trig points, on OS mapping and there is no symbol or other indication to distinguish "hill" from "mountain" at any scale, as far as I'm aware. The second reference you've cited here (also cited by the Mountain article) does not support the claim that the OS explicitly identifies mountains on maps, it just makes the usual claim that they somehow make a distinction (without presenting any evidence for it) and then quotes the (amateur) surveyors as saying that "Ordnance Survey has agreed to update its maps (on the internet) straight away, but it might take a bit longer to correct the paper maps." – I take that to mean that the OS will change the spot height (at the summit of Mynydd Graig Goch) from 1,998ft to 2,000ft, but it says nothing about their alleged definition of "mountain". This "formal definition" by the Ordnance Survey is widely believed and frequently mentioned in reliable sources (I've seen it in the Guardian too), but I've never found confirmation or acknowledgement of it from the OS themselves in any official publication. IIRC, the Mountain article used to have an better discussion of this so-called OS standard (and the lack of evidence for it) than it does now, but it's been lost in the mists of time.

This claim seems frankly to be a myth that, through frequent repetition by usually reputable sources, has achieved the status of fact. See also my comments at Talk:Hayfield, Derbyshire, and elsewhere. High Willhays on Dartmoor is over 2000 feet and nobody calls it a mountain. My position is that there is no formal definition of the word mountain, regardless of the widespread belief to the contrary – it's essentially a subjective term, dependent on local usage (what is considered a mountain in England would not be in the Alps); depending on the context, some landforms (Snowdon, Ben Nevis) are clearly mountains, some are not (Holyhead Mountain, regardless of its name) and then there is a grey area (Kinder Scout, maybe Ingleborough) in between. Your edit to Ingleborough was fine; I'm not going to revert. Dave.Dunford (talk) 14:07, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

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Craster radar station

Oh, well done! This is great! Cheers DBaK (talk) 10:34, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

We were up there for a look this summer and meant to read up on it a bit more. Nice one. DBaK (talk) 10:35, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

DBaK Thank you, very kind. The joy of all things (talk) 12:04, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings!

Hello there, thanks for all of your contributions to Wikipedia! Wishing you a Very Merry Christmas and here's to a happy and productive 2024! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:42, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Dr. Blofeld That's very kind, and the same to you. The joy of all things (talk) 20:14, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

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Erneis de Buron

Hello Joy of all Things. I'm interested in this guy because it seems bizarre that he should be from Mantes, when the Tessons used to hang out south of Caen (where there is a 'Bois de Buron'). I can't find the entry about this in your source (The Norman people), so could you tell me what name the info' is under please? Bonglosaxon (talk) 10:45, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello Bonglosaxon. What page/article are you referring to regarding "my source"? Thanks. The joy of all things (talk) 11:13, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Well it's the 'Craven in the doomsday book' page. Thanks for replying so swiftly! Bonglosaxon (talk) 11:56, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I just looked at the history again, and it seems the entry was by someone else. Sorry Joy of all Things! Bonglosaxon (talk) 12:08, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

That's okay Bonglosaxon, I wish you well with your editing. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 12:31, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Unreferenced articles February 2024 backlog drive

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Thank you for joining the drive! Good luck preparing for it! CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 19:35, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

CactiStaccingCrane Thank you. Looking forward to it. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 19:58, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Yorkshire Lifeboats -Humber

"It was the only lifeboat station in the United Kingdom that was staffed full-time by a professional RNLI crew."

Is this not still the case? (for a coastal station) (excluding Thames). Don't think they've had long enough to recruit locals from Grimsby yet.

Also ..., I've been adding Station Honours to other UK stations, going to do the same with Yorkshire if you are OK with that. MartinOjsyork (talk) 10:56, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello Ojsyork, how are you? As regards the Humber lifeboat situation, I do not know what the staffing is at Grimsby and without a reliable citation..... For the station honours, do mean awards for staff, a vellum, rescues etc? Can you link to examples you have done already? Thanks.

Of note, I have been preparing the Robin Hood's Bay lifeboat station article - just need a couple of more references to complete it. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 21:15, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

For the station honours, do mean awards for staff, a vellum, rescues etc?

Yes, please check out Skegness, Hunstanton, Wells etc.

Just dead simple (I got shot down for copyright early on), so its the bare bones. Which in some cases is still loads.

I'll make enquiries about Humber staffing, but as far as I'm aware, they are still on shift teams, and will be for quite a while. (I expect the ultimate aim is to recruit locally, but will take ages).

Look fwd to Robin Hood's Bay

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Welcome to the drive!

Welcome, welcome, welcome The joy of all things! I'm glad that you are joining the drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles.

Fix a random page lacking sources

CactiStaccingCrane (talk)18:56, 1 February 2024 UTC [refresh]via JWB and Geardona (talk to me?)

CactiStaccingCrane Thanks! I have managed to do about eight pages so far, hopefully there will be many more. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 19:20, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Reviewing your sourcing drive edits

Hello! I was reviewing your edits for the backlog drive, and took a look at Halesowen Chronicle an Mousehole Wild Bird Hospital and Sanctuary. I'm afraid I nominated Halesowen Chronicle for deletion, but really I wanted to send a brief message to note a small pattern I saw in the sources you added. The sources themselves were all reliable sources, but here and here the cited source didn't actually state the information it was verifying; both sources were really trivial passing mentions of the subject. For the bird sanctuary article you went on to add much better sources that did directly support the information in the article, which put it overall in a much better state! But, I noticed that you didn't make any changes to the article wording when you added cites. I wanted to encourage you to change the article to match what it actually says in the source when you add cites, keeping WP:V in mind. Thanks for your sourcing efforts, and happy editing! ~ L 🌸 (talk) 06:33, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello LEvalyn and thanks for stopping by. I disagree vis the Halesowen Chronicle, but you are absolutely right about the Mousehole citation - don't know what I was thinking there. As I use a lot of book citations which can't be verified, I feel it is best that I withdraw from the drive as there may be swathes of citations I have inserted which cannot be properly verified by other editors. There are some comments on the talk page regarding other editors who have not been particularly accurate, and I would hate to have my name in lights, and additionally weaken the standing or reliability of the encyclopedia.

I'll stick to what I am best at, writing articles to what is written in the sources rather than trying to adapt cites to information given in articles. Thanks for bringing this up privately, good luck and regards. The joy of all things (talk) 09:59, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

I am sorry you feel the need to withdraw! I really did mean this as a friendly note (and I can see some ambiguity with the Halesowen cite)… but I can understand your feelings. We’re all volunteers so of course you should work on whatever you find most rewarding. Thanks again for your many contributions! ~ L 🌸 (talk) 07:54, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

LEvalyn And I took it as an a very friendly note. I appreciate your delicate handling of the matter. But having a 6.7% rate of questionability on my edits was too much for me to carry on embarrassing the project. Regards. The joy of all things (talk)

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New Article

Good one with the Robin Hood Bay page. I added some extra detail for you, hope that is OK?

I've managed to roll out a couple of my own pages. Civil Service lifeboats, and Port Erin Lifeboat Station Maybe you can take a look, point out if I'm missing any essential links, etc. Many thanks MartinOjsyork (talk) 12:45, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Ojsyork (Martin) - thanks for sending me this. I really like the Port Erin article, although I have made some cosmetic changes. It is important to note that I haven't changed any of the content, just a few changes to adhere to some wiki-rules. I will list the changes I have made below for openness and clarity:

• Amended 40mph and 5 miles with conversions, so they show 40 miles per hour (64 km/h) and 5 miles (8 km). This is a standard conversion template for the readability of the article to international readers.
• Added non-breaking spaces between the numbers and ordinals of dates and times, eg I changed 6am to 6 am. The spacing should be there, but to stop a random code being inserted inbetween the two, a non-breaking space is used. You can also use it when writing out currency in the millions - eg £6 million.
• I changed all weather lifeboat, to all-weather lifeboat. This is for consistency as most other RNLI articles have this phrasing with the hypen/dash, and the RNLI use the title all-weather lifeboats themselves. See here.
• I moved all citations to straight after the punctuation in all cases. Cites should always be straight after the text they refer to.
• I added in the talk page WikiProjects which relate to this article.

I hope this all makes sense? Congratulations on writing some articles - how do you feel? The joy of all things (talk) 13:40, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Its all fine. Thankyou.

I do like my Capitals, I know! Don't really understand the non breaking spaces thing...but its inoffensive.

But pleased to get some pages done. Hope to continue with the rest of the IOM if I can find some histories.

• I have Geof Shepard at present, following me round, re-writing and changing everything I've done, which is getting a bit tiresome.

He's not done any edits on some pages for 5 years, but now changing what I've done within 5 or 6 hours. I try my best to 'add value, updates, missing details, etc, and added loads of 'new history' for lots of the fleet pages, and he rewrote those too. Check out Eastbourne, Plymouth,

..and now is changing the table format on fleet pages to include Rowspans, which makes it a nightmare to edit. (Check the code for Watson Lifeboats, Brede Class, James Stevens etc..)

Best wishes and thanks again.

MartinOjsyork (talk) 14:01, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Ojsyork The non-breaking space is there so that when we write 6 am, it doesn't get split onto two lines if it is near the edge of the visible space; so 6 does not appear at the end of one line, and the am then does not appear on the next line down at the start. It's a formatting thing.

If you intend to do other IoM articles (and I heartily encourage to continue doing so), then it might be worth re-doing the categories as they only relate to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the United Kingdom, and the IoM does not fall into any of these. If you are unsure about this, I can perform this for you? Regards.The joy of all things (talk) 14:06, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Ah - the first person to explain the nbsp thing thankyou!

Will do what I can with IOM.

MartinOjsyork (talk) 14:10, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, the might be a few more 'All-Weather' and 'Inshore Lifeboats' things to change.

I'll make a point of sorting as I go, so don't go mad! Ojsyork (talk) 16:48, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Ramsey is done. Ojsyork (talk) 08:58, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

References

Yorkshire Dales Railway

Hello, on Yorkshire Dales Railway there is a red-link to Skirethornes. Should this be Skirethorns to match article? Keith D (talk) 16:43, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Keith D it should be. I have corrected it. Cheers. The joy of all things (talk) 18:25, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for fix. Keith D (talk) 23:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

New lifeboat pages

You might have seen some. Port St Mary Ramsey Peel Have uploaded a new station pic (naming ceremony) to Geograph, but I'm stuffed if I can work out how to upload it to Wiki? If you can help, please do...? MartinOjsyork (talk) 18:20, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Ojsyork Hi Martin; this is something that is easy to do yourself. I will list this in stages -

1. Check the image does not already appear on WikiCommons
2. Navigate to the image you wish to upload on Geograph
3. Underneath the text of the image will be the phrase "Copyright ............ and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence.
4. The word reuse is a blue link, click on this link
5. Scroll down the page and you will see a title "Wikipedia Template for image page."
6. Below this title is another blue link (You can directly upload this image to Wikimedia Commons)
7. You will need to insert some Categories for the image, suggest "Ramsey Lifeboat Station"
8. You can check on the geograph page if the image has already been loaded to WikiCommons

Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 19:40, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Done, sorted, Thankyou Ojsyork (talk) 21:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

"If you intend to do other IoM articles (and I heartily encourage to continue doing so), then it might be worth re-doing the categories as they only relate to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the United Kingdom, and the IoM does not fall into any of these. If you are unsure about this, I can perform this for you? Regards."

Yes please!

MartinOjsyork (talk) 17:33, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Ojsyork, Hi Martin - done! Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 20:08, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for all the help, and the odd tweek here and there.

Thinking about Douglas - but so much history, all a bit daunting!

FYI - I had a chap changing Lifeboat numbers 12-22 to 12–22, but not the 13-35 numbers. I think its because Wiki is flagging these up as a date!

MartinOjsyork (talk) 21:31, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Ojsyork The numbers could be changing because it is preferable to have an endash linking numbers than a hyphen. So the word re-enactment, would use an hyphen, but an endash is preferred when using numbers, so say if I was quoting the financial year 2022–2023. This endash is slightly longer, see Wikipedia:Hyphens and dashes. It is probable that the other editor is doing it sequentially, so will be doing the 13-35 numbers last. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 21:41, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Ojsyork - Thinking about Douglas lifeboat station? How are you constructing the articles? Are you using your sandbox? If not, using the sandbox allows you to develop the article over a long period of time, coming back to it when you have time. When it is good to go, you move it into the mainspace of the encyclopedia. Again, if you are unsure about this, I am more than happy to help. Regards, The joy of all things (talk) 21:44, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Regarding the hyphens, it was definitely targeted, twice, so I think its just Wiki seeing the number 12-28 and 12-22 as a date.

All the RNLI boats have a small hyphen, and there's pages and pages of them, so I 'm not going to change them all!

Haven't got enough info for Douglas yet, but I do tend to just cut and paste and go for it!

MartinOjsyork (talk) 21:49, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Oh - something else to ask.

LIST OF RNLI STATIONS

Do you think the town and county link should just be one link, or split into two? i.e "Preston" and "Lancashire" OR "Preston|Preston, Lancashire"

There's a mix at present.

MartinOjsyork (talk) 21:52, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Ojsyork I personally would make sure that the entry for each lifeboat station had the location, and the county. It would only need to be linked to the county in the first entry. So:

• Blackpool, Lancashire
• Lytham St Annes, Lancashire
• Preston, Lancashire

The natural disambiguation for Preston will be hidden by the piped link. The joy of all things (talk) 21:59, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Not sure I follow.

If I put Preston, Lancashire, it will come up as one link, showing Preston AND Lancashire, but will direct to Preston.

OR

I use Preston and Lancashire which will show as two links, and direct to both?

I suppose I'm wondering about the validity of directing to the County??

MartinOjsyork (talk) 22:25, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Ojsyork This is why we use piped links, ie one that uses the pipe symbol [[Preston, Lancashire|Preston]]. Click on the Preston you have supplied above (on the line below) the word "OR", and it takes you to the disambiguation page for all the uses of the name and the word Preston across Wikipedia. Obviously, to us, the name Preston is the town in Lancashire, but there's a Preston east of Leeds, and another in the East Riding of Yorkshire, which are smaller, but still called Preston. To make it easier for readers to navigate wikipedia, we always link to the town, its locational county or authority, and we also display the country, but do not link to that country, for reasons which escape me at the moment. We should always show the place, then the county, but to stop overlinking, we only need to link to a place, or county once within an article (dependent on its length - longer articles can have the same links duplicated throughout the text.)

So if there is a lifeboat station at Weymouth in Dorset, then it should be:

• [[Weymouth, Dorset|Weymouth]], [[Dorset]] (which renders as Weymouth, Dorset) so that the reader can navigate to either the town of Weymouth in Dorset, and to the county page for Dorset itself.

However, when you have multiple stations in the same county, then you only need to link the county name once, when it is first mentioned.

• Weymouth, Dorset
• Poole, Dorset
• Lyme Regis, Dorset

If there is an actual lifeboat station article about a location, then the links can be via a piped link, or by using the {{lbs}} template shown here - {{lbs|Whitby}} which would look like this:

• Whitby, North Yorkshire
• Scarborough, North Yorkshire
• Staithes and Runswick, North Yorkshire

These link to the actual articles about the RNLI stations, rather than their location. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 22:55, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

I'll sort some of the towns and counties later.

Blackpool Lifeboat Station done! Would appreciate a quick look over, and I'm not sure about sorting 'Lifeboat Stations in Lancashire'.

MartinOjsyork (talk) 12:39, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Done another new page, Steam-class lifeboats

MartinOjsyork (talk) 18:49, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

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List of former RNLI stations

Hi. I thought we maybe needed this page, so I've created one. Esp as you have created Teesmouth and Robin Hood's Bay.

It's far from perfect, needs lots of work. Any contributions would be much appreciated. MartinOjsyork (talk) 07:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

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Hi @The joy of all things, I know you're usually Yorkshire focused, but I wondered if you could give some comments/vote on an article I created for a Chesterfield street containing 13 listed buildings, as well as 2 listed lamp posts, and is also the site of one of the oldest markets in the UK, the Chesterfield Market. The nomination seems bizarre in my opinion, but I would like to get your thoughts. Thief-River-Faller (talk) 18:27, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Thief-River-Faller I know you're usually Yorkshire focused.., but I do love Derbyshire! Erm, unsure exactly what you are asking of me? Re the nomination, do you mean the DYK nomination? You say it seems bizarre, but it looks like you have nominated it....? My thoughts on the article are that it's worthwhile, but at 572 b, it is 928 b short to be a DYK, as they state in the rules that the article must be at least 1500 characters or readable prose. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 18:40, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, should have actually tagged the specific article, it's the Low Pavement, Chesterfield that's being nominated for deletion, to me the fact the entire street is basically compiled of listed buildings makes this notable, not to mention the market also standing on the street. So far there's been no votes other than my own to keep, I just wanted your thoughts. Thief-River-Faller (talk) 20:05, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Thief-River-Faller; I'm sorry, but I agree the street itself is not notable enough for retention. I am sorry after all the trouble and effort you went to. Perhaps redirect to Chesterfield Market? I can express my opinion on the Low Pavement deletion page if you like, or just stay away? Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 09:41, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

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