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Good movie websites

Elaborating on my last question, which is now archived, which movie websites would be good? IF you can, provide a list of good and bad websites. 3.14 (talk) 21:00, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I think the answers you got last time are adequate, particularly in view of the fact that you are vague about what constitutes a "movie website". I suggested Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic. Newspaper reviews from notable reviewers are also good. It isn't clear exactly what you are asking for if you have to ask it again in the same vague manner as before. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:04, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but can you provide the answers from last time? In all honesty, I might have forgot all of them. 3.14 (talk) 20:26, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1232#Slavitza Jovan translated. The answer from ColinFine below is much better, however. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:01, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. 3.14 (talk) 18:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 3.14. Have a look at WP:WikiProject Film/Resources. ColinFine (talk) 21:07, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Ah, excellent, I wasn't aware of that comprehensive list. I never looked at that Wikiproject page before. @3.14159265459AAAs: at the bottom there is also a short section about sites to avoid. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:13, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I've never seen it before either, @Anachronist: I just had a hunch it might exist. ColinFine (talk) 22:09, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

چ 2.147.219.6 (talk) 12:03, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Request for Review Article

Hello is there any admin who can review this article Muhammad Ali Swati ? He is an famous award winning Pakistani rescuer. the articles included the strong rereferences from BBC, Telegraph, Independent, Arab News. Janabanigu (talk) 09:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Janabanigu, the article isn't under review. It's up for a deletion discussion. Unfortunately I don't think you'll be able to save it - we don't tend to keep articles on people who are notable for only one event. See WP:BLP1E. -- asilvering (talk) 09:13, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Asilvering thanks but he is a notable not only from one event but also more different things which are already mentioned in the article history, Janabanigu (talk) 09:20, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

It has been marked as reviewed, but it is now nominated for deletion. 331dot (talk) 09:13, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@331dot yes i see . but, we can expand to add more references regarding the entity. The entity meets the GNG. Janabanigu (talk) 09:21, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Who is "we"? 331dot (talk) 09:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

talk about the wiki editors Janabanigu (talk) 09:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

References have been added after the start of the AfD, but the article is still about a person who was featured in the news for one event - rescuing people in a stuck cable car. His role in the rescue could be better described at an existing article about the event 2023 Battagram cable car incident. David notMD (talk) 10:01, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

He is already mentioned in that article's last paragraph; this could be expanded, Janabanigu, provided that it does not become disproportionate in relation to the mentions of others involved in the rescue, which could also be enlarged on. We must not unduly promote one rescuer (with a related commercial interest) over and above the others. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.209.45 (talk) 15:04, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Evaluation for the Account

Hi, Can someone please evaluate this wiki article Muhammad Ali Swati , might be this meets GNG. The person is a award winning social worker. He rescued more than 600 people during Naran Flood in August 2024 and also crucial role in the dramatic rescue operation of a group of children trapped in a cable car in the Battagram district of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan, in August 2023. IN 2023 Prime Minister give him a award and also in 2024 he receives the High Achiever of Pakistan Award from the Current PM Shehbaz Sharif. he already setup South Asia Longest and World Highest Zipline in Naran. Janabanigu (talk) 18:42, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Your question has been answered above. Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:03, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

@Shantavira the question is different, Janabanigu (talk) 19:09, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

@Janabanigu This will be determined at the current AfD discussion. You should contribute at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Muhammad Ali Swati if you wish to influence this, making the points you have made here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:01, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

OP blocked: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Thekhyberboypk --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:15, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Question About IRC

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I am currently a user who is blocked indefinitely on the Japanese Wikipedia. And now, editing the conversation page is also prohibited. Currently, I'm trying to ask someone to unblock the talk page with the free browser version of IRC, but it doesn't work. Every time I log in to IRC, the comments I wrote before that disappear. I looked at the guide on how to use it, but it hasn't been solved. In addition, it is currently not possible to see the past log. I can only rely on this English page anymore, so I decided to ask a question here. I understand very well that I am a sinful person, and I will try not to make comments excessively even after the conversation page is released. If you are familiar with it, please give me some advice. Thank you. チューボー (talk) 14:31, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

We are unlikely to be able to help you troubleshoot your IRC client. Fortunately, the guide to appealing blocks says that you can also use the Japanese mailing list. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 14:57, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

The mailing list is too depopulated, and the hope of cancellation is low... チューボー (talk) 14:59, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I would be very happy to ask users who have used IRC. Also, maybe it's affecting the fact that I'm using the free browser version now? チューボー (talk) 15:11, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

There are users who normally use IRC to achieve cancellation in the same way, so I understand that something is wrong. Anyway, it's a situation where I can't find any hope for the mailing list anymore. チューボー (talk) 15:03, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Upon reviewing the archives, I can see that the mailing list is indeed dormant. My only other suggestion would be to try using a different client and internet connection. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 15:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I'll talk about the IRC malfunction, so I'd be happy if you could give me some advice.

I'm sorry for being so persistent, but in order to do something about my place, I have no choice but to get some advice here. Originally, it was because I repeated inappropriate behavior in the Japanese version, and I think it's a really brazen behavior. To be specific about what kind of trouble is occurring, first of all, I succeeded in logging in to IRC, but I don't know how to look at the past log, and every time I log in again after browser back, the message I posted in the past suddenly disappeared, and only "〇〇 participated in this" is displayed on the top screen. There is no one using the Japanese mailing list anymore, so I have no other means but IRC. I will reflect on my past behavior and definitely change the problems of the reason for the block, such as the lack of courtesy in the future. I feel that the fact that I'm asking a series of questions here is exhausting the community, but it's a really desperate situation... Could you please tell me the solution to the problem of IRC? チューボー (talk) 15:39, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Chupo. I know nothing about IRC. Perhaps there is something on WP:IRC that will help? ColinFine (talk) 19:51, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I'll take a look at it.Thank you very much. チューボー (talk) 21:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I want to know the probability that a user who has been indefinitely blocked due to a scandal will be reinstated.

 Courtesy link: WP:Teahouse § Question About IRC

I haven't used the English version much, so I don't know, but I'd like to know how many users have been indefinitely blocked on English Wikipedia in the past, and then successfully persuaded other users to return after requesting the ban be lifted. Sorry for the silly question, but I've been indefinitely blocked on the Japanese Wikipedia under the name "Second Generation Chance Two," and as you can see, I'm in an extremely hopeless situation, as I can't even use the talk page. That's why I decided to ask this question. I'd like to hear from people who have dealt with many users who have been indefinitely blocked. チューボー (talk) 23:05, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure anyone will be able to give you an actual figure. In any case, it would probably underestimate the possibility of having an indefinite block lifted, since most people who are indeffed aren't trying to get their blocks removed. If you leave for a while, then come back later and apologize, you're quite likely to get a second chance. However, you really should not be using multiple accounts at the same time, especially when blocked. See WP:SOCK. -- asilvering (talk) 23:11, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry. My current account was the first one I made for the English version, long before "Chance Two II."

So, just because I'm using different accounts for the Japanese and English versions, will I be subject to being arrested for using multiple accounts?

Can I avoid this by adding the words "This is the same as Chance Two II. I will no longer be using this account" to my "Chubo" account and then logging in on the English version under a new name "Chance Two II"? > チューボー (talk) 23:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

A block on the Japanese Wikipedia isn't a block on the English Wikipedia. If your Japanese Wikipedia username is a global account, you are not globally blocked and you can still edit other Wikipedias. See if your blocked username on the Japanese Wikipedia works here. It is never a good idea to create new accounts after being blocked. However, it isn't uncommon to use different accounts on different Wikipedias, as long as you don't have more than one account on the English Wikipedia. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:39, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't create a new account, personally, but you can if you want to. If you do that, you'll want to abandon all of your old accounts. The important thing is that you're editing under only one account, not which account you use to do that. Making a note about your abandoned accounts on your user page to be up-front is a good idea. Don't use any account to evade a block or ban - so, for example, don't log on to Japanese wikipedia and start editing with this account, or you'll probably be blocked on ja-wiki on this account too. Don't repeat whatever behaviour caused you to get blocked on ja-wiki on any other language wikipedia, and no one else will have any reason to block you here or anywhere else. -- asilvering (talk) 23:39, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you both. I'm going to throw away this account and log in to the English version as "Second Generation Chance Two." チューボー (talk) 23:44, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) User:チューボー, the usernames you quoted do not exist. When asking questions here, please use a wikilink to link them, or if you don't know how to do that, please spell the pagename exactly as it appears, whether here, or on Japanese Wikipedia. For example, there is no such user on Japanese Wikipedia as ja:Second Generation Chance Two (talk · contribs), and there is no Chubo (talk · contribs) account here at English Wikipedia. So, please be specific about what you are referring to. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 23:48, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Chubo is the account they're using right now, チューボー. I haven't gone looking for the others. -- asilvering (talk) 00:02, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but there was a problem because I used Google Translate. "二代目チャンストゥー" exists in the Japanese version. チューボー (talk) 00:02, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Thanks for that; yes, user ja:二代目チャンストゥー (talk · contribs) exists there, and from your Japanese user Talk page^{[in English]} I can see that you are blocked there, and lack talk page access. However, you are still allowed to appeal your block there, and the instructions are given how to do that. Mathglot (talk) 00:15, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I have two options, "IRC" and "mailing list", but the latter hasn't been used at all for the last few years, so by process of elimination I have no choice but to use IRC.

But there aren't that many people on IRC either, and I'm not sure if anyone will bother me since I've caused a lot of problems in the past... チューボー (talk) 00:43, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

@チューボー, Well, whether if the IRC is that active or not, the Japanese Wikipedia and the English version of Wikipedia are different so you will have appeal your block with either of those choices given, as the English Wikipedia can't do anything about it.

In courtesy in Japanese: ここでは何もできませんので、日本版の方で控訴しないといけないです。 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 01:03, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Since even conversation pages are prohibited in the Japanese version, I had no choice but to seek advice through the foreign language version. チューボー (talk) 01:13, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Also, "Chubo" is translated into Japanese as "チューボー". チューボー (talk) 00:13, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much to everyone for your valuable opinions. チューボー (talk) 01:12, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

I was unreasonably blocked on IRC, and I felt like I was being tricked.

I am a Japanese person who was blocked indefinitely on the Japanese Wikipedia, and I previously asked a question about IRC.

Since then, I have been successful in IRC and was able to talk to a user who I believe has the authority to block others, but as a result, that user has also blocked me from IRC #Wikipedia-ja.

At first, I briefly explained why I was blocked and what I would do after unblocking the conversation page, and added, "Please do."

In response, the user did not give any specific reason why he could not allow me, and simply refused, saying that there was nothing I could do on this IRC at the moment, given my history.

After that, when I made excuses again, the user further told me to "come back in a few years" and "leave."

So I asked, "What specifically is the reason why you cannot release me?" The user must have gotten fed up with me, because he blocked me without any warning. The individual user messaging function was not blocked, so I asked the user "Why did you block me?" and "Did I do something that deserves blocking?", but the user ignored me. I thought that was strange, but then I found out that the user had disappeared from Libera.chat.

So does this mean I was tricked? I'm sorry for being a bit persistent, but even if I was tricked, I'm very curious as to why such a user had the authority to block. Or is it just a stupid assumption that I was tricked? I'd really appreciate your thoughts on this, whether you're familiar with IRC or not. チューボー (talk) 11:11, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

@チューボー This is the English Wikipedia. We cannot help you with any issues regarding the Japanese Wikipedia. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:37, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

As I said before, I am currently blocked from Japanese Wikipedia and cannot even edit talk pages. This is an extremely urgent situation, so please understand that...??? チューボー (talk) 12:59, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

We understand it. But there's nothing we here at English Wikipedia can do about it. If I could read Japanese (I can't) and really wanted to help, I might go to Japanese Wikipedia and try to find out why you were blocked there. But I still wouldn't have access to what happened on IRC. Maproom (talk) 13:27, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

If even IRC has been blocked, there's no way to legally return... Should I just give up? チューボー (talk) 23:06, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

If you were an editor of the English Wikipedia and had gotten a response like that here, I would advise you to "give up" temporarily. We sometimes advise editors to wait six months between unblock requests. That said, I am not familiar at all with the policies of the Japanese Wikipedia. As others already told you, there is nothing we can do here to assist you. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 13:36, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Maproom, no need to read Japanese; see the superscript translate link in my 00:15, 23 August post above. Mathglot (talk) 02:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

It seems the only way to get back on Wikipedia is to violate the rules.

I am completely stuck. My talk page, email, IRC, everything is blocked. If this continues, I will probably never be able to return to the Japanese Wikipedia in the next 60 or 70 years of my life.

I'm sure you're not familiar with the Japanese Wikipedia, but please tell me if I should give up completely. チューボー (talk) 23:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Why were those things blocked? TooManyFingers (talk) 23:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

My talk page and email were blocked because my lack of literacy was revealed, including my inability to tolerate provocation.

As for IRC, I really don't understand what's going on, and I don't understand why I was blocked. チューボー (talk) 23:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, チューボー. We cannot help you with the Japanese Wikipedia, but if you think that "violating the rules" is the way to get reinstated, then you misunderstand the situation. When I read your English Wikipedia talk page, I see repeated warnings about problematic behavior. Administrators are much more willing to unblock an editor who is editing productively on another language version than to unblock an editor who is causing problems on another language version. So, your first step is to stop breaking rules and stop creating problems. Read WP:Standard offer and conduct yourself accordingly. Read WP:Unblock Ticket Request System. Japanese Wikipedia probably has a similar process. Cullen328 (talk) 23:53, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm saying that I can't carry out that process because the talk page is blocked. チューボー (talk) 23:58, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@チューボー, the process on ja-wiki can be done by email. But I would really advise you not to try. Leave the place behind for a while. No one is going to think you've reformed if the disruption you caused is so recent. -- asilvering (talk) 00:13, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I am also prohibited from sending wikimail, and one of the reasons for my block level increase was for sending wikimail to an unspecified number of people. チューボー (talk) 00:54, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I reiterate that the best action for you to take here is inaction. -- asilvering (talk) 00:56, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

So contribute to articles (and not merely talk pages such as this) within English-language Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 23:56, 26 August 2024 (UTC) Now that, prompted by Nick Moyes, I look at your past contributions, I realize that we don't want any more of them, or anyway none that are similar to those you have already made. -- Hoary (talk) 00:10, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

@チューボー You appear to be editing under a different account name than that which you claim is blocked on ja-wikipedia. So it's impossible to suggest what you need to do. Looking at your past contributions under this account name, you do appear to think it's OK to add your own personal view of a topic. (Example) This is a huge "No-No" here. DO NOT DO IT!!!

You've ben warned about this many times. You must never, ever insert your own views on a topic. Everything needs to be sourced to a Reliable Source. I have no experience of IRC, so can't advise on that area. If you are not willing to add content based only upon good quality sources, then, yes, it is time to give up editing Wikipedia. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:00, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

They're ja:User:二代目チャンストゥー. Previously at the teahouse here: [1]. -- asilvering (talk) 00:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I have no intention of making foolish edits like that again, and I am currently in the process of seriously reading the Japanese version of the guidelines.

It seems that the problem I'm facing now is not so much the poor quality of my edits, but rather a lack of courtesy towards other users. チューボー (talk) 00:39, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Moving Roar (vocalization) to Roar

I wanted to move the page Roar (vocalization) to Roar (which would mean Roar is moved to Roar (disambiguation)), without doing a requested move. Using my best judgment, I don't think there would be opposition to this move. When I tried to move the page I got an error message saying The page could not be moved, for the following reason: The page could not be moved: a page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. I also can't find anything in the archives about requests to move these pages. I could try to free up Roar by moving it, but every time I a move page it creates a new page as a redirect. What should I do, and would a requested move be more suitable? Svampesky (talk) 15:23, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Svampesky. You need an admin to do that sort of move. Please request it at WP:RM/T (as long as you're confident it won't be controversial) ColinFine (talk) 16:13, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm fairly confident, but I'll prepare an RM nomination if it gets challenged or reverted. Thanks :) Svampesky (talk) 16:19, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

I could technically do this move as a page mover, but I wouldn't consider it uncontroversial because I don't think there's an obvious primary topic here. For example, Roar (film) has had 18 000 page views in the last month, while Roar (vocalization) has only had 2 000. You'd have to start a requested move discussion to gather more input. C F A 💬 16:22, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

I saw this after I made the technical request, but I'll prepare a requested move nomination if it's declined. Svampesky (talk) 16:28, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

On the move subpage it lists the disambiguation as the move request and the move I was nominating at the bottom of it. This doesn't align with the rationale. I tried switching them around on the talk page, but it didn't change on the move subpage. How can I switch them around? Svampesky (talk) 17:22, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't like using page views to determine titles. The vocalization has been the understood meaning for centuries, and will still be that way after the movie is long forgotten by future generations. I recall seeing a policy or guideline somewhere (I can't remember which one) that says we need to account for history and longevity, not just popularity. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:49, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

I struggled to find this. I remember writing about it in one of my Signpost pieces, I thought it would be under WP:LONGTERMSIGNIFICANCE, but that is a red-link. Svampesky (talk) 01:31, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Fount it! Wikipedia:Disambiguation#LTS. I couldn't remember the phrase "long term significance" and searching the Wikipedia namespace for that phrase turned it up.

My point is that we don't get to pick and choose what parts of the rules to follow, we need to look at the whole. On the whole, I would say that long term significance trumps whatever common name might be the current fad based on popularity. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:36, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

I made that redirect. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:31, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. That's as it should be. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:49, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

The redirect WP:LTS is only used twelve times, would it be better for it to be targeted to a guideline page, rather than an essay, so editors don't have to type out in full WP:LONGTERMSIGNIFICANCE? Svampesky (talk) 14:33, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Australian or Papuan language Wikimedias

Are there any Wikimedia projects written in indigenous languages of Australia or Papua? (I know about the Tok Pisin Wikipedia but that doesn't count.) If not, are there are any that are in the incubator, proposed, or have been shut down? 73.170.137.168 (talk) 17:23, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP, I'm not sure about the answer to this question myself, but you'll be able to figure it out by looking at List of Wikipedias. -- asilvering (talk) 19:10, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

That page does not appear to include incubator projects. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:26, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

See meta:Noongarpedia. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:25, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for showing me this link. Though the website seems to be mostly in English. Even though it talks about Noongar culture, I don't really understand the purpose of this. I will try to research the language more. 73.170.137.168 (talk) 17:48, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

The page I linked to is in English, but links to several pages and projects written in the Noongar language. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:29, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I guess each of these languages is too small for an effective Wikipedia. They're probably all smaller than the Cree Wikipedia, which is already in danger of being shut down. But somehow the Atikamekw Wikipedia seems fairly successful even though the language is tiny? 73.170.137.168 (talk) 17:50, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

I suspect that for a language's Wikipedia to be a success, the level of dedication of each individual editor and reader can make a real difference. If my language has a billion speakers but absolutely none of them are interested in Wikipedia, you can see what would happen. TooManyFingers (talk) 23:00, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Disambiguation

There are now three articles on the topic of aliasing: Aliasing, Aliasing (computing), and now Aliasing (factorial experiments). They reference each other in their hatnotes. I have two questions:

1. Shouldn't the first of these be re-titled Aliasing (signal processing)? There is no reason that it should simply be called Aliasing, without a modifier, as though that application is the main meaning of the term. In point of fact, it is historically the second, and was probably influenced by the term in statistics (see Aliasing#Historical_usage).

2. Should there be a disambiguation page for the term Aliasing?

To whom should these questions be directed, and who makes the call? Johsebb (talk) 18:09, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

@Johsebb, the place these questions get decided at is usually WP:RM. You propose a move to the title you think is appropriate, other editors weigh in, and after a period of discussion the page is moved (or not moved) to whatever consensus is reached. I wouldn't open a move discussion for this, though - we prefer to avoid parenthetical disambiguation when possible, so if the topic currently at Aliasing is the main meaning of the term, it's correct that it doesn't have any disambiguator there. When there are only two or three possible meanings for a term, and one is the clear main topic, we usually don't create a disambiguation page, but rather sort it out with hatnotes like these articles do. The details on all this are discussed at WP:DAB.

If you read WP:DAB and think there's a good case to rename the articles, my advice would be to start a topic on the talk page at Talk:Aliasing, rather than immediately starting a move discussion. That way, you'll (hopefully) get some input from other editors who are familiar with the topic. -- asilvering (talk) 19:08, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I understand the desire to avoid disambiguation. I guess my only thought is that Aliasing is not the "main meaning" or the "clear main topic" of the term "aliasing" (nor is Aliasing (factorial experiments)).

I would be happy to start a topic at Talk:Aliasing, although my experience with talk pages is that they sit there indefinitely without attracting any attention. I would prefer to actually propose the move at WP:RM in order to subject it to editorial discussion. But if you feel that this step is to be avoided and posting a topic at Talk:Aliasing is more appropriate, I'll try that. Johsebb (talk) 03:45, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

If you get no attention, then you can go ahead and propose the move. I suggest asking on the talk page first mostly so that you're more effectively targetting "people who know about the topic" rather than also pulling "people who know a lot about article titling conventions, but not much about this topic". -- asilvering (talk) 04:09, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

I was actually going to go slow, but it appears that another user has already created Aliasing_(disambiguation). I'm not sure where this goes from here, and I think this is above my pay grade. Johsebb (talk) 13:03, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that was not helpful. I suppose now the best course of action is to start the RM discussion to sort this all out. -- asilvering (talk) 18:49, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Johsebb:

1. Yes.

2. Yes.

I've created Aliasing (disambiguation), but I suspect there is WP:NOPRIMARY, so that the article currently at Aliasing should be renamed Aliasing (signal processing), and the new disambig page repointed at it. Most of the hatnotes at the articles should be simplified, and probably just point to the Disambig page for other uses. Feel free to propose the move for #1; I'support such a move. Mathglot (talk) 09:38, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Aliasing (disambiguation)

Wikipedia Commons copyright forum. Try your questions there. If you repeat your question there, you might want to clarify what you mean by "errors and fake SVG" files. Good luck, Mathglot (talk) 08:29, 25 August 2024 (UTC)P ,that's a lot of questions, and questions about the laws and copyright issues about images of various types would be better handled at the c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright. Mathglot (talk) 10:00, 25 August 2024 (UTC)   struck cruft meant for another section. Mathglot (talk) 17:53, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

I did not say anything about "errors and fake SVG" files, or laws and copyright issues. Was this meant for someone else? Johsebb (talk) 13:04, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Johsebb, I beg your pardon, I've struck that part of the message, which as you surmised, was a part of my response to another user, that somehow got pasted on to my response to you. Very sorry for the confusion.

Back to your Aliasing issue: I believe the new Aliasing (disambiguation) page will catch a lot of searches, and also the hatnote at the top of the current Aliasing page (which I agree should be renamed, to add parenthetical disambiguation to the title) can be simplified to refer to the disambig page. Mathglot (talk) 17:53, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I hadn't thought of replacing the hatnote, but presumably it should be done also on Aliasing (factorial experiments) and Aliasing (computing). If I'm to do this, I need to see an example of wording, although I'd prefer to leave this to someone with more experience. I'd also ask that someone else rename Aliasing (I'm not even sure how to go about that). Johsebb (talk) 20:57, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@Johsebb:, I'm happy to take care of those items for you, but just so you know, there are disambiguation hatnote templates that provide disambiguation links and provide the wording for you, like {{Other uses}}, {{For}}, and {{About}}. The Aliasing article currently uses {{About}}, and it's possible we could stick with that one, pared down a bit, and linking to Aliasing (disambiguation) in the last term, or use one of the other ones. It's a bit of a judgment call, based on what would be the most useful to the reader, which, in turn, depends somewhat on the popularity of each of the different articles with that term. I would take a swag at it, and say that the current page (i.e., the signal processing one) is the most likely, but without quite being a clear winner with respect to WP:PRIMARYTOPIC—would you agree?—and in that case, the hatnote for Aliasing should be either {{For}} or {{Other uses}}, with only the link to Aliasing (disambiguation).

You are still a relatively new user, but not a brand new one, and part of the on-boarding as an editor is to begin to get familiar with some of the templates, and how to use them. If you feel up to it, why not have a look at the doc pages for {{For}} and {{Other uses}}, pick one that makes the most sense to you (or is easiest) for this situation, and try replacing the {{About}} template at the top of Aliasing with one of those templates, linking to the disambig page. Use the Preview button before hitting Publish, to see if the result looks the way you expect it to. WP:BE BOLD is part of policy, so don't worry about breaking anything; if you make a mistake (we all do!) someone else will undo your edit, or fix it. I encourage you to ahead and give it a try. If you get stuck, reply here, and I or someone will be here to help out.

As far as the rename, let's wait just a bit, to see if the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation#Aliasing attracts any other feedback that might indicate another path. (And btw, you are welcome to take part there, if you wish.) If there is no further feedback there, can you {{ping}} me there (or here) in a couple of days as a reminder? Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 22:09, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I gather that as a policy matter it's preferable to simply direct users to a disambiguation page rather than to specific articles (using About), as is now done. I'll play with this.

I don't really know that Aliasing (signal processing) is the primary topic. It does have a very active talk page, but Aliasing (factorial experiments) is very new and so it's hard to judge the relative likelihood of its being sought. Whether it has greater enduring notability or educational value is also hard to judge. I'll think about this. Johsebb (talk) 03:39, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

How can i view all image uploads from a specific user on Wikimedia?

Hey all, as the title suggests, I would like to view all Wikimedia Commons image uploads from a specific user. I cannot find any filters for this.

Regards. HoldenFan1104 (talk) 01:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles. Just add user name Moxy🍁 01:42, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks very much HoldenFan1104 (talk) 09:52, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

@HoldenFan1104 Alternatively, just navigate to the user's page or talk page on Commons and use the menu on the left which has both "User uploads" and "User contributions". You can get there very quickly from looking at any image and clicking through to the user page listed as part of the File history. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:45, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Appreciate the information, thanks. HoldenFan1104 (talk) 02:57, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Is there a manual of style section for masculine/feminine nouns?

Is there a MoS for using nouns such actor/actress etc? It has come up at the article Amy Poehler and I've sometimes seen editors change nouns when the article subject is female.Knitsey (talk) 05:01, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

@Knitsey, Perhaps this? MOS:GNL. Also, I believe that the word "comedian" should be used as seen in, e.g. Lucille Ball. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 05:18, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't think that's applicable here? Thank you though. It's not the gender of the person that's in question, it's whether we use the male or female noun to describe their profession. Correct use would be actress or actor, Comedienne or comedian. I generally use the male version, actor, to describe both male and female artists but that's just me. Knitsey (talk) 05:33, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

@Knitsey, This might be what you were looking for: [2] at WP:WAW. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:09, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Use of "actors", "comedians", "chairmen", "waiters", "executors", etc to refer to groups of both male and female artists is not just you, Knitsey. And classifying "actor", "comedian", "chairman", "waiter", and "executor" as "male nouns" (or "male versions") is rather odd. Wikipedia:Gender-neutral language may be what you're after. -- Hoary (talk) 06:10, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

OK, that's a little clearer, thank you. I'm still not sure though if you would refer to, for example, Emily Atack as a comedian or comedienne. The article describes Atack as an actress and comedian. If someone changed it to comedienne would this be acceptable.

Just to reiterate, I've no interest in changing any of this, it's more about whether it should be reverted or not. I've seen changes like this before and wondered if it was ok. Knitsey (talk) 06:39, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

My guess, Knitsey, is that the relationship of "comedian" to "comedienne" is in practice not the same as that of "actor" to "actress". Putting aside questions of whether or not use of this or that term is, or could be, sexist, "comedienne" is alone among the four in being at least a little unusual. Imaginably a number of writers of articles here don't even know of it. (I speculate that its uncommonness has something to do with its odd morphology: it looks like a straightforward loan from French whereas "comedian" does not.) So I'm not surprised if one writer, or one group of writers, calls a woman an "actress" and a "comedian". The combination does strike me as slightly odd, and I might want to regularize the description. There are of course two ways of doing this: (A) changing "comedian" to "comedienne", XOR (B) changing "actress" to "actor". Wikipedia:Gender-neutral language would prescribe (B), not (A). -- Hoary (talk) 09:06, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Knitsey, this is a very interesting question with a lot of implications. My initial egalitarian instinct is to use gender neutral terms to describe careers. Not "waitress" and "stewardess" but wait staff and flight attendants. "Nurse" instead of male nurse. But how about actors and actresses? We could just call them all actors, but the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences still calls them "actors" and "actresses". Meryl Streep is described as an actress. And when Linda Hunt brilliantly played the male character Billy Kwan in The Year of Living Dangerously, she was nominated for an Oscar for "Best Supporting Actress" not "Best Supporting Actor", and she won that Oscar. So, caution and flexibity is in order, along with a dedication to accurately summarizing what high quality reliable sources say, favoring newer over older sources of similar quality. We are not linguistic innovators and we are not linguistic laggards. We need to do our best to reflect and follow the best contemporary sources. As for "comedienne", I think that is outdated terminology 99% of the time. You see how I hedged my bet? Cullen328 (talk) 09:12, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Hoary I didn't think about looking at the etymology. I don't think I've seen or heard anyone use comedienne for a long time. I listen to a lot of BBC Radio 4 which seems to be the last bastion of RP (fast dwindling thank goodness) and I can't recall hearing comedienne being used.

Cullen328 That's an interesting point about Linda Hunt. I take your point about innovators/laggards. Hedging bets is always advisable.

I would probably revert comedienne but it's not a bright line for me. Thank you all for the advice. Not totally clear but I'm a little clearer on expectations. Knitsey (talk) 09:37, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

@Knitsey I would also suggest tasking in to account how the person describes themselves. For example, if a female actor regularly described themselves as an 'actress', I would tend to go with that description of them here. So, I'd look at their own website, writings or biographical notes on a book to see what term they prefer to use when writing about themselves. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:38, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Nick Moyes now that you've said it, that seems really obvious. I didn't think of that. That is the first thing we do when describing someone who is non binary, but it kind of slipped my mind when it comes to someone who is cisgender. Thank you for the reminder. Knitsey (talk) 17:04, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

@Knitsey That's a common sense comedienne has rarely used even in real life, why we need such a terminology. Comedian is a gender neutral word, that's why I reverted their version and they included an inexistence module. -Lemonaka 11:38, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Lemonaka I would use comedian too, looking at what sources outside of Wikipedia say about gender neutral nouns, particularly job titles, then comedian is the gender neutral term whilst still being the masculin noun. I certainly wasn't complaining about your revert, I was probably have reverted it myself if I had seen it first, per WP:BRD.It's something I told myself I would ask about the next time I had an example to give. Knitsey (talk) 16:54, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Language change is a language universal. When you've lived long enough, you can see it happening. Questions like this one have a definite factor involving language change over time. One illustrative example is to compare airline steward,airline stewardess, and flight attendant until around 1965, and then compare the same terms since then. Comedian has always been far more popular than comedienne since Shakespeare's time (no surprise there), and for a hundred years (1900-2000) was about ten times more popular, but since 2000, 'comedienne has gone into a slow, steady decline. Mathglot (talk) 08:50, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

You did graphs! Thank you Mathglot, that's a really interesting comparison and fits with what other users are saying, particularly in relation to the use of comedienne. Knitsey (talk) 11:30, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Education Minister

Publish the copyright Law in your License format,graphics,photographic, and files wat is he in copyright Law in 9 1. The Laws in company 2.publish and attribution 3.copyright law for in License 4.Errors and Fakesvg 5.JPEG or svg 6.the knows in images in copyright Laws? 7.Raster and vector versions other in 8.Author the gives copy to commons in Wikipedia or Wikimmedia edia commons 9.copyright law in the United States 2A02:CB80:4225:8D68:E817:ADF4:1B11:D6B5 (talk) 08:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

This makes little sense to me as a Wikipedia editor with 15 years of experience. I simply cannot comprehend what question you are trying to ask. Please try to write like a human being instead of a robot. Thank you for your humanity. Cullen328 (talk) 08:35, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

IP ,that's a lot of questions, and questions about the laws and copyright issues about images of various types would be better handled at the Wikipedia Commons copyright forum. Try your questions there. If you repeat your question there, you might want to clarify what you mean by "errors and fake SVG" files. Good luck, Mathglot (talk) 08:29, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

How to make photo

कङञ provided this example (on my talk page). Hoary (talk) 21:38, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I have a question that how to make a photo like of country template photo? कङञ (talk) 09:59, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't understand "country template photo". Perhaps you could link to an example in order to explain what you mean. -- Hoary (talk) 10:46, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

कङञ responded here. -- Hoary (talk) 21:08, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Biographies

I've been looking at the biography of a living person, Gabriele Scheler. All concerns of the editors were addressed. The only exception is still insufficient documentation on early life. Yet the article was declined completely. What to do? PowerUser22 (talk) 14:36, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello. While you've edited the article about Fritz Scheler, you've never edited Draft:Gabriele Scheler. The draft was resubmitted for a review. All information about a living person must be sourced, see the Biographies of Living Persons policy. What is the source of your interest in this topic? 331dot (talk) 14:44, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Either add references or delete content. A question - have you been editing not signed in, as IP 79.199.170.144? David notMD (talk) 02:13, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations.

I keep getting declined becase of “Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations.” I have included 4 footnotes and used them all in the article. What am I doing wrong? This is the link Draft:Yeidy Eish Eahelms1 (talk) 15:41, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Eahelms1, I think the answer to your question is "sometimes, reviewers screw up". I'll take a closer look for you. -- asilvering (talk) 02:46, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Okay, having looked into it some more, what you've done wrong is... you didn't resubmit it after fixing the problems. You're doing fine. Just resubmit it for another review. -- asilvering (talk) 02:55, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Need some help with writing about a Political Organization in middle east

I need help with finishing an article I am writing about a political group in middle east, it was rejected so i want to know how can i improve? any advice would be highly appreciated. it is important to note that i'm making this article as a project for my degree. i major in International Relations and during one of my recent studies i encountered this issue, and i decided to dig deeper, but still my information is not complete. so if you also know about this matter and you are from middle east, please tell me more!

Draft:The Covenant. Lilyish134 (talk) 15:48, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

You asked this question at the AFC Help Desk, please only use one method of seeking assistance at a time, to avoid duplicating effort. Many of us follow all the Help pages. 331dot (talk) 15:57, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

IT was Declined. "Rejected" would have meant the the reviewer saw no potential to succeed. David notMD (talk) 02:27, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

significance with characters

alr hi this comes fresh from the discord >:3 ive been trying to bring Serial Experiments Lain to GA since before my wikibreak, and a user on the discord pointed out NFCC 3a (the article has 4 non free images.). whilst going to look at these images, and check which ones are the least significant, i noticed that 2 of them are directly correlated to the main character. i have no idea when singular characters are considered significant, but it made it seem easier to clean the article.

idk im clueless. astral ▪️ he/him ▪️ >:3 16:39, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello AstralAlley, I'm counting 5?

• This one will cause no issues as it directly depicts the subject: File:Serial Experiments Lain DVD vol 1.jpg
• These three are up to discretion: File:Lain hacker small.jpg, File:Lain Haircut.JPG, and File:Lain Split Personnalities.JPG. All would be allowed under fair use, but Wikipedia's NFCC is stricter. They are all depictions of the same character, and someone could argue that NFCC says we should choose one.
• This is the only one that I think that majority of editors will object to: File:Serial Experiments Lain (TV) Screenshot 01.jpg It would be allowed under fair use, but is illustrating a very minor point in the article.

Have you done a GA before? If you ask questions at Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations, you will likely get some input from regulars. Also, the images are not going to be a deal-breaker for a GA nomination. An article can pass with zero images, and some GAs currently have no media. Finally, and completely unrelated, Arisu was in the wrong and it's been years since I've watched this anime but I still get angry about her attitude at the end of the show.

Good luck! Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 21:50, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

with 2nd bullet point, since all 3 are of lain, and since a bulk of the articles characters talk about her specifically, i feel like i could hypothetically do that. just dont know if this all marks significance. idk ill work on it 2nite. astral ▪️ he/him ▪️ >:3 23:41, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Article Expansion

Hi, can someone please see this Ehsan Zafar Abbasi article. I'll be more happy if someone evaluate this and expand this. Janabanigu (talk) 17:03, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Janabanigu, you may also want to solicit input at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pakistan and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 21:37, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Redirect

Hello! I'm having trouble with this redirect. When I click the link Hogwarts#Slytherin on the redirect page, it takes me to the correct anchor on the Hogwarts page. However, if I type "Slytherin" into the WP search bar, then click the Hogwarts page that pops up, it doesn't take me to the anchor. If I'm editing a page in the VE and want to provide a link to Hogwarts#Slytherin, and I try to do this by typing "Slytherin" in the link finder, it doesn't find Hogwarts#Slytherin. Any thoughts? Wafflewombat (talk) 19:13, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

I am not sure about the VE part, but when I search for Slytherin, the redirect works correctly. Maybe a browser issue? I am using Edge. RudolfRed (talk) 19:17, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat: The link tool in VisualEditor finds page names (including redirects), not section or anchor names. If I click the chain icon in VisualEditor to make a link and write Slytherin then the first option for me is "Hogwarts" which just links the article Hogwarts as it should. The second option is "Slytherin" which links the redirect Slytherin. If I write Slytherin in the normal Wikipedia search box at top of all pages then I see no Hogwarts option in the drop-down below the search box. The search results page [3] has an entry saying "Hogwarts (redirect from Slytherin)". You have to click "Slytherin" to use the redirect and go to the anchor. "Hogwarts" just goes to the article. This works as intended. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:42, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, now the link tool in the VE works exactly as you described. But the search bar at the top of the page still provides the Hogwarts page in the drop-down. If I don't click that link or any other link in the drop down, but rather just enter "Slytherin" and hit "enter", then I am directed to the Slytherin anchor. But there's nothing I can click in the drop down that gets me there. *Sigh* Maybe it's just my browser. I'll try a different one. Wafflewombat (talk) 20:11, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat: I use the Vector legacy skin at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering but can reproduce your result in Vector 2022. It's discussed in phab:T306150. You can follow a redirect by clicking the search button or pressing the enter key, but you cannot see whether there is a redirect or you will get a search results page. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:40, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Citing a Podcast as Source

Hello! Someone recently deleted an entry by suggesting that the source was a podcast and paywalled, and took issue with the reliability of the source. The person was interviewed on a well-known US based podcast. That has validity in my opinion. Can anyone else comment on this so I can challenge his deletion? Satyagraha108 (talk) 19:36, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

@Satyagraha108: We have template {{Cite podcast}} so you can cite it. Behind a paywall is not an issue, see WP:PAYWALL. If the source is not reliable for other reasons, then that is a different problem. I suggest you discuss it with the other editor to get clarity on their concerns of reliability, or you can ask at WP:RSN RudolfRed (talk) 19:55, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

The concerns described at Talk:Eknath_Easwaran#Podcast RudolfRed (talk) 19:57, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Saytyaraha108, and welcome to the Teahouse. "Well-known" is not the same as "reliable". The Daily Mail is well-known but not reliable; many sources are reliable but not well-known.

The question is whether that podcast is reliable by Wikipedia's standards: does it have editorial control and a reputation for fact-checking? If in doubt, ask about it at the reliable sources noticeboard. (It would have been helpful if you would actually tell us what source it is. I'm guessing it is one in Eknath Easwaran, but I can't be bothered to work through the edits identifying it). ColinFine (talk) 19:58, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

OK, it's the "Conspirituality" podcast, and it doesn't appear to have been discussed on WP:RSN. But, while it's not impossible that a reliable source (a source with a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking) should publish on Patreon, it seems a bit unlikely, and my presumption would be that this is an audio blog, and so, not reliable. ColinFine (talk) 20:08, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

The person interviewed is sharing her mother's story and grew up at Easwaran's ashram. It seems reliable. Satyagraha108 (talk) 22:09, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Also, thank you for your insights! Satyagraha108 (talk) 22:10, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

The issue isn't whether the subject of the interview is being reliable(and no, people aren't always reliable about themselves, either accidentally or otherwise), but the podcast itself. Does it perform fact checking and have an editor examine the podcast for accuracy before it is posted? Most do not. 331dot (talk) 22:42, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying this. Satyagraha108 (talk) 23:27, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

It raises an interesting issue on the entire page though, because most of the biographical information about the person in question, Easwaran, is all based on his own accounts of himself, such as meeting Gandhi or his teaching positions in India. It's quite circular, he said it, someone else wrote it down, and now they can point to a source where...he said it about himself. Satyagraha108 (talk) 23:30, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

That does indeed sound as if it may have problems establishing notability. Are there any sources which meet WP:42? ColinFine (talk) 08:32, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Can I use the userpage of a user that doesn't exist anymore?

Hello!

As many of you know, an official dark theme has recently been released, and with that release, I'd like ti change my user signature to be more accessible for dark mode users.

I only have 1 character to spare as is, and basically the only solution I can think of is to have some sort of shortened page redirect to my userpage.

I was thinking about User:QQ, but I noticed that it was an actual account that later renamed to User:UU, and was subsequently banned.

I'm not sure whether or not doing so is allowed, or whether it would cause confusion; however, the account has been banned for over a decade now... QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 20:18, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Something like this: [[User:Qtacc|‪Quokka's test account‬]] ([[User talk:Qtacc|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/‪Quokka's test account‬|contribs]]), which would look like this: ‪Quokka's test account‬ (talk | contribs) 20:27, 24 August 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quokka's test account (talk • contribs)

Hmmmm... SineBot thinks it's unsigned. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 20:58, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok you can opt out of SineBot so that's not a concern. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 21:01, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia's default signatures have a refreshingly high signal-to-noise ratio. -- Hoary (talk) 21:12, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: but your custom signature already has dark background? It's honestly easier to read it in dark mode since the whole page has a dark background. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 21:34, 24 August 2024 (UTC) Ping: QuickQuokka, 21:51, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

To avoid confusion and putting you on a bad spot as the username intend to use is banned, it's better you change your username to something else Tesleemah (talk) 05:23, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Reference ideas box

Hello, another question! I found a very useful template which I've implemented on this talk page. Right before the discussion threads is a box with a link to "references to use". I linked it to a separate page, which is good because it doesn't clog up the talk page with a long list of references. Does anyone know how to accomplish the same thing but without making the box film-specific? Is there a more generic template without the film icon and the link to the film WikiProject? Wafflewombat (talk) 00:08, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello Wafflewomabt, I don't think exactly what you're asking for exists. Here are several close things:

First, {{Refideas}} is made for this purpose. It doesn't use a separate page, but is collapsible. Using the list above as an example:

Second, {{tmbox}} is the template used to make talk page message boxes. You can place anything inside it, like this:

And even use other icons like this:

Or this:

Finally, any article can have a "Further reading" section (MOS:FURTHER). A lot of editors will place references there which also makes it available to the non-editing readers, who don't open talk pages.

To see how either banner works, click on "Edit source" for this section. If you have questions, feel free to reach out, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 05:42, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

This is awesome. So many options! Thanks! Wafflewombat (talk) 13:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Can I use this?

I am working to expand "Platte Lake (Minnesota)" and am wondering if this video could work as a source, because it is made by Plattelake.org, so.. ​​Platte Lake Improvement Association - History of Platte Lake Video Deerare2good (talk) 03:33, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Deerare2good, and welcome to the Teahouse. I haven't watched the video, but from your description, it sounds as if it is a self-published source, so it may be cited, but only for limited purposes, and does not contribute to establishing notability. ColinFine (talk) 08:36, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Where is the Infobox picking up this dead web site?

Hi. I am confused (not for the first time, and probably not the last!) Looking at the article Ditmar Award, the Infobox shows a link to a dead website (splints.customer.netspace.net.au/ditmar1024res/calldit1024.html). I found a usable archive at web.archive.org/web/20240404220132/http://splints.customer.netspace.net.au/ditmar1024res/calldit1024.html. So I tried to fix the error, but when I opened the editor I found that the code for the Infobox does not have a website listed at all. So I am at a loss to see where it is picking that up from. I looked for an {{official website}} entry in case it was picking up from there somehow - but it does not have that either. Can somebody please put me out of my misery, and tell me where I need to fix this? Gronk Oz (talk) 06:43, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

@Gronk Oz: It appears it's coming from the Wikidata entry (wikidata:Q906455#P856). Updating it there should change the infobox here. Tollens (talk) 06:48, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

@Tollens: - ah, thanks! Now I have a follow-on question, beacuse I am not familiar with how Wikidata works. The Wikidata entry for "Ditmar Award" says it is "described by" the Science Fiction Awards Database at www.sfadb.com/Ditmar_Awards. And when I check there, it lists the old web site. So my question is - do I somehow need to get it updated on that Database site, or just manually update it in Wikidata (so they will then be out of synch)?--Gronk Oz (talk) 07:05, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

The "described by source" property is essentially the equivalent of a "Further reading" section here on Wikipedia – it is just a link to somewhere else with some information. You can directly change the link in Wikidata, no automated process will notice the discrepancy. Tollens (talk) 07:13, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

@Tollens: - Sorry to be a pain, but I am still having trouble. I tried just over-writing the old Wikidata entry with the archive address but it gave the following error message:

Could not save due to an error. The save has failed. Note: How to update the official website:

• If the item has a new site, add an additional statement with preferred rank. How to set preferred rank? See Help:Ranking#How_to_apply_ranks.
• If a website is no longer valid, you could also:

 - qualify the URL with end time (P582). If you don't know the exact date, use the year or "unknown" as date
 - add the qualifier archive URL (P1065) to link to the former website at web.archive.org

Do not delete or replace the former URL.

So it looks like I need the last option, to "add the qualifier archive URL (P1065)..." but I have no idea what that is asking me to do. Do you have any idea how to do that?--Gronk Oz (talk) 09:22, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

@Gronk Oz I think you're right. You can add the qualifier by clicking "edit" next to the current official website and then clicking "add qualifier". Then enter "P1065" in the new "Property" box and choose "Archive URL" from the single-item list that pops up. Then another input field will appear and you can put the archive URL in there and click "publish". --bjh21 (talk) 10:04, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

@Bjh21:@Tollens: - Thanks, that seems to have worked to update the Wikidata entry. But the Wikipedia page has not changed as a result... Is there some trick, to make it pick up the archive URL from Wikidata instead of the obsolete one?--Gronk Oz (talk) 11:04, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

@Gronk Oz: Why don't you just add the archive URL in the |website= field of the infobox? That will override whatever's coming from Wikidata (of which I'm not a fan). Since the URL is doubtless rather long, you should probably give it a name, such as "[URL Official site (archived)]" to avoid expanding the width of the infobox. Deor (talk) 14:45, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done @Deor:@Bjh21:@Tollens:- Thanks for all your help. As Deor suggested, I hard-coded it. It is still very wide, so expands the Infobox a lot - for some reason, when it came from Wikidata it would wrap in the Infobox, but now the same text doesn't wrap. But I think it will be okay.--Gronk Oz (talk) 16:08, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

And thanks to Deor, who fixed the overly wide infobox by using the {{official website}} template there instead.--Gronk Oz (talk) 13:39, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Finding a photo

I don't think this actor is notable enough for his own page, despite my wishful thinking. I would like to find a photo of him, though. I apologize if this is not appropriate to ask here.

Robert Bruce (born 1953) is a Canadian actor who appeared in Alone in the Dark (2005), Da Vinci's Inquest(1998) and Stargate SG-1 (1997).

2006 Family in Hiding · as Defense Attorney

2005 Alone in the Dark · as Crewman Barnes

2003 Barely Legal · as Coop's Dad

2003 D.C. Sniper: 23 Days of Fear · as Montgomery County Councilman

2001 Animal Miracles (TV Series) · as Danny

2001 Just Cause (TV Series) · as Cop

2001 The Lone Gunmen (TV Series) · as Resident Surgeon

1999 Aftershock: Earthquake in New York (TV Series) · as Jury Foreman

1998 The New Addams Family (TV Series) · as Mr. Bates

1998 Da Vinci's Inquest (TV Series) · as Police Constable #4

1998 Cold Squad (TV Series) · as Larry

1997 Stargate SG-1 (TV Series) · as Local

1995 Mysterious Island (1995) (TV Series) · as Zachary

1992 Grampire · as Truckie

1989 The Freeway Maniac · as Terry "Robert Bruce". Plex TV. Retrieved 25 August 2024.

1989 American Playhouse "Ask Me Again" · as Nelson Rodker

"Robert Bruce (VI)". IMDb. Retrieved 25 August 2024. "Robert Bruce". TCM. Turner Classic Movies. Retrieved 25 August2024. "Robert Bruce". IMDb. Retrieved 25 August 2024.

Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 10:08, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, please remember that IMDb is not a reliable source. See WP:RSPS. Ahri Boy (talk) 10:16, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I know this page will never make it out of my sandbox. I just want to see his picture when he was young because of nostalgia I have for an appearance of his. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 10:27, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Allthemilescombined1 Teahouse is not a place to post lengthy content that you have no question about nor intent to incorporate into an article. David notMD (talk) 11:45, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

BLP on Talk pages?!!

I fully agree with and appreciate with the BLP policy as it applies to mainspace articles. But I'm seeing cases where editors seem to feel that this applies to the Talk pages associated with those articles, as well. Is this a policy change that an old-timer like me just missed, or are newer editors adding in restrictions of their own? Additionally / related, is it acceptable that editors simply remove talk comments? This seems to me to defeat the entire purpose of having a Talk page! How can we achieve consensus if some views are suppressed? --Eliyahu S ^Talk 12:32, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

@Eliyahu S Yes of course it applies to talk pages. Please see WP:BLPTALK. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:40, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps I should clarify. If the discussion doesn't impugn the Living Person, but rather disagrees with a topic,, is that still grounds for deleting? To give a perhaps less contentious example: in a bio page about a Wiccan, should a Talk comment that questions whether the Wiccan faith and classical witchcraft are synonymous, and hence should the word "witch" be used in a particular place, be simply deleted, and not discussed? (That wasn't the case, but is analogous.) --Eliyahu S ^Talk 14:13, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, BLP applies to every type of page on Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 12:42, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

No that can't be right. It's about Biographies. You can say that it applies to "Living Persons" everywhere, but I'm not sure that's correct. Applying such an extreme interpretation would mean that we couldn't even discuss either side of a contentious issue unless all parties involved are dead, lest someone dispute anything said about anyone alive. In particular, there are many public figures who are involved in public disputes and we couldn't even mention the dispute under that reading. --Eliyahu S ^Talk 14:14, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

331dot is right. BLP applies to all pages on Wikipedia. You cannot make a contentious claim about a living person anywhere on this site - not without citing a proper source. Public figures involved in public disputes will nearly always have such sourcing available, so that case is not a problem. MrOllie (talk) 14:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

I have never needed to know this, but now that this discussion has made me wonder ... This also prohibits making a contentious claim about a random non-notable person whose name doesn't appear in any article, right? TooManyFingers (talk) 21:56, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@Eliyahu S: Read the very first line at WP:BLP RudolfRed (talk) 20:40, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Matt Bevan

Was there ever a page of this Australian journalist in Draft namespace? If so, can it be revived? Doug butler (talk) 13:58, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

@Doug butler That page was deleted twice, both times for being an abandoned draft, this occurs when a draft hasn't been edited for 6 months. You can see those deletions here. You can request that the page be sent to your userspace here. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 14:03, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks CD. Doug butler (talk) 14:59, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

How find the information listed by using {{reflist|group=lower-alpha}} in the articlr

"The {{reflist|group=lower-alpha}} template provides incorrect information. The reference cited does not support the information mentioned." Hobbywriterae (talk) 14:01, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Is there a reason this question is asked in "quotes"? Are you quoting a message another editor gave you? If a reference doesn't support WP:V, it can be removed, along with the claims. Please link to the article you are talking about; it is difficult to help people when the questions don't give hard examples. Cremastra (talk) 15:10, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Apparently Vizhinjam International Seaport Thiruvananthapuram, similar question asked at the Help Desk, but I didn't understand it there either. @Hobbywriterae Please use one venue only and expand on your issue so we can help. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:14, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, there's no reason behind quoting it. The problem I face is that I tried to remove the {{reflist|group=lower-alpha}} under the 'Further Reading' section because the information mentioned is incorrect, and the reference does not support it. However, it showed an error. I don't know how to remove or correct the information

here is the link to article :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vizhinjam_International_Seaport_Thiruvananthapuram Hobbywriterae (talk) 15:29, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Hobbywriterae, please don't use that template directly on this page, it messes up the formatting. Instead, put <nowiki> tags around it so that people can see it but it's not an active template. (I've now done this for you, twice). Maproom (talk) 16:29, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Hobbwriterae. The template {{reflist|group=lower-alpha}} simply says "display the references that are tagged as 'lower-alpha' here". If you want to alter or remove one of those references, you need to find where it is actually cited in the text, and edit it there.

It is in fact cited just above, at the end of the previous section, "Further reading".

Section 3.2.4 of that source says The depth required for maneuvering and berthing of cruise ships is naturally available at the proposed location and will not involve any capital dredging, which seems to me to support the text that it is cited for. But I may be missing something. ColinFine (talk) 17:16, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Delete account created by a minor with a school email address

I am trying to delete an account my son created with his school email address. I cannot find any way to do this. I would greatly appreciate any help. Maximopinera (talk) 15:05, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

@Maximopinera Wikipedia accounts cannot be deleted. E-mail addresses can be easily disconnected from an account, however. Go to Special:ChangeEmail and leave the input box blank. If your son wants to, account vanishing is an option, but accounts can't be "deleted" just renamed and/or abandoned. Cremastra (talk) 15:08, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

@Maximopinera: Welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, accounts can't be deleted for reasons related to attribution. Unless the account name uses the email address, no one but him will know what it is. You could try asking for a courtesy vanishing. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:08, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

WikiProject skateboarding isn’t inactive?

I don’t really know if the Wikiproject Skateboarding is inactive. I think it is an active WikiProject. Minecraft6532 (talk) 20:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Skateboarding

Last talk page message is from Sept 2023 and the todo list has not been updated since 2021. RudolfRed (talk) 20:21, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Well, the last message was almost a year ago and the last non-automated message was over 4 years ago, but you are free to change the {{WikiProject status}} if you're planning on reviving it. C F A 💬 20:24, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Citation replacement on the 1994 Cook County, Illinois, elections page

Citation 2 on 1994 Cook County, Illinois, elections is a Chicago Tribune article sourced from newspapers.com, however you can just find the article online here I have noticed that for whatever reason the actual author isn't attributed on that page, though it is in the original citation. Here are some questions:

• Do I change the citation to the accessible link?
• Do I change the author to Chicago Tribune Staff if I do since it doesn't specifically mention the author and just says Chicago Tribune.

Ztormtrooper (talk) 22:42, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Ztormtrooper, first question: yes, do please change the link. Second: Newspapers.com is giving me contradictory messages about my access to their version of the article (I can, but I can't, but I can, but I can't), so (i) I can't check to see whether the author's name really appears in the article or whether instead the name is in error, and (ii) I'm sufficiently annoyed with Newspapers.com to want the link to go elsewhere. Anyway, for an article such as this, I think that the name of the author is of little importance. For a Chicago Tribune article to be attributed to "Chicago Tribune staff" says very little; I'd skip that too. -- Hoary (talk) 23:48, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply Hoary. I'll replace it and skip listing the author in the citation. Ztormtrooper (talk) 00:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Little League World Series Asia-pacific and Middle East Region

Could someone fix my mistakes please? I don't know how I accidentally deleted something, and a flag needs to be added and the gray for runners up for 2024 in llws results. Thanks. Knoote96 (talk) 23:55, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

The article is Little League World Series (Asia-Pacific and Middle East Region). What is it that you have accidentally deleted, and what other mistakes have you made? -- Hoary (talk) 00:19, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

How much citations does an aircraft accident need?

My draft was declined mainly because of not enough information, so how much would I need on a crash like this? I've tried adding as much information as I could find in the sources included. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 00:30, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I would check out WP:GNG. Most likely it needed more independent secondary sources. Ktkvtsh (talk) 01:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Or more specifically, WP:NEVENT, which requires coverage beyond routine reports and database listings. C F A 💬 01:59, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

i added more sources, not sure if it helps but yeah Bloxzge 025 (talk) 02:46, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Bloxzge 025, two or three high quality sources is usually enough. It seems that there are no sources that weren't published the day of the accident, indicating it may have no lasting significance. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 01:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

The problem with Draft:2023 Jet Rescue Air Ambulance Learjet 35A crash, Bloxzge 025, is not the number of sources cited but the paucity of material in the sources cited. Is the crash covered in depth in three or more sources that are independent of each other? If not, how else is the subject notable? -- Hoary (talk) 01:51, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Your right, thanks. If any new notable sources are published I'll try again Bloxzge 025 (talk) 01:54, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I've added new sources Bloxzge 025 (talk) 02:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I'll ping the reviewer TheBritinator, but one issue I can see is that flightsafety.org and baaa-acro.com seem to be databases, which don't provide the kind of in-depth coverage that a Wikipedia article needs. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:53, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Bloxzge 025, this crash is already covered in Learjet 35, along with many other crashes of similar planes. That may be a better outcome than a freestanding article. Cullen328 (talk) 02:02, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

your right, I just wanted to create a plane crash article, including my draft with more info. I still want it as an article since I've already put hours into researching/finding sources, but if not that's okay too Bloxzge 025 (talk) 02:20, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

That was my concern too. I did not many sources to establish the event as notable. I figured it could probably be merged elsewhere, but I see you have already figured that all out. Thanks. TheBritinator (talk) 07:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Draft Article Rejected

I am confused by the rejection of my Draft Article on Jeffrey Barrick: Draft:Jeffrey Barrick

I am a subject matter expert. I carefully cited external references to substantiate all points. The subject, Barrick, now leads a major experiment with extensive coverage on Wikipedia and in the news -- as one example, the leading journal science Nature reported when Barrick took over the experiment (as linked in my entry). The subject himself has authored many highly cited papers in Science, Nature, PNAS, etc. I didn't tout the fact, but merely cited those papers that are relevant to Barrick's research and discoveries, which I describe in the entry in neutral, scientific terms with links to relevant references.

The subject has also won awards and honors, including an NSF CAREER Award and others. The only substantive change I can see making would be to reduce the number of papers noted in the "Selected works" section. I could also perhaps remove a few of the subject's lesser known awards. Is this something you would advise?

Thank you for looking over this and, I hope, providing concrete advice. I believe this entry, as well as my first one published yesterday, are substantial, neutral, accurate, and enhance the content of this valuable website.

Factsnfigurestoo (talk) 02:26, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Your draft wasn't "rejected", it was declined. Rejected means stop, don't go on. Declined means it might be accepted with revision.

The draft looks as if it was written to praise the subject. It isn't written in a dispassionate neutral tone, with phrases like "rising through the faculty ranks" (meaningless, omit it), and "key mutations" (omit "key"). Wikipedia isn't a CV, so there is no need to list so many publications, they mean nothing to a general audience and give the appearance of puffery as a CV would have. That entire section can be removed without degrading the article.

Finally, see Wikipedia:Golden Rule and adhere to it. We need multiple sources about the person, not so many citations to his works. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, anachronist. I'll work on all those points. I would like to be clear that refereed articles in major scientific journals -- articles that that have been cited dozens and even hundreds of times -- are, in general, as reliable as any source that I know. They are not remotely like the "Not: tabloids, discussion boards, fansites, social media, or most blogs" cited as unreliable sources at the Golden Rule page.

I do have mixed feelings about removing the "Selected works" section. Many entries have them, and I think they are extremely useful to students looking to learn more about a topic. (And the works I selected are only a small fraction of Barrick's >100 papers, with an H-index of 54. So nothing like an actual CV.) Anyhow, I will cut the number way down and, if you insist, I'll remove them all. But doing so would, I think, make this encyclopedia entry less useful, not better.

Thanks again. Factsnfigurestoo (talk) 03:15, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I didn't mean to imply that sources written by him are unreliable. The problem is that they are primary sources; they are not independent of him. See WP:PRIMARY. We prefer WP:SECONDARY sources if possible. You say he (or his work) has received extensive news coverage. Be sure that coverage is cited.

You can have selected works. The problem is that section is far too long. As I said, this isn't a CV and your draft comes across as one. You're a subject matter expert, so that lengthy list of selected works may be meaningful to you, but you are not writing for an audience of subject matter experts. It isn't meaningful to anyone else. From my perspective (as someone with a scientific background in a different field) it just looks like an unnecessarily long list that could be summarized in a few sentences without mentioning any of those works. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:24, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks again Anachronistic. I think I've hit most or all of your points. I still list a few selected works, but not many. Many news stories cover the LTEE project (which is a clear focus of Barrick's work in the entry), so I'll try to copy some of those over in the days ahead, but I hope the article is close enough now. I've put a lot of effort into it, and I hope to do more entries in the weeks ahead for some other scientists in and near my field whose work is interesting, important, and deserves more attention. And having read many, many Wikipedia articles, and having written biographical and other entries for old-school subject-matter encyclopedias, I think this entry is solid. Factsnfigurestoo (talk) 04:12, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

That looks quite good. The last major task, before you click the 'resubmit' button in the pink banner at the top of the draft, is to convert those bare URLs into actual citations. See WP:CITE for instructions on using the citation templates. The templates {{cite journal}}, {{cite news}}, {{cite magazine}}, or {{cite book}} would likely be needed. Click on any of those template links I listed to see the instructions for those specific citations. Journal citations should have at least one author, title, publication date, journal name, volume, issue, and doi parameters. Newspaper and magazine parameters are similar but with the newspaper or magazine name in place of the journal name, and no volume, issue, or doi. Book citations would typically have a year instead of a date, the publisher name, and ISBN instead of DOI. Including the 'url' parameter isn't necessary with journal articles because the 'doi' parameter typically takes care of that, but is useful with the other citation types. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:39, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

The draft looks promising, to me. I've made some minor tweaks. Some suggestions:

• Avoid phrases like "as well", that mean nothing and seem promotional.
• Don't use multiple citations for uncontroversial statements of fact. It gives the impression that you're trying to get away with something dodgy; or maybe just boost the reference count. But references are assessed on quality, not quantity.
• Cite sources properly, with bibliographical details, as for the first one.
• Avoid the word "recently". Wikipedia articles are permanent. Maproom (talk) 07:02, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

See Help:Referencing for beginners for how to format references, as URLS are not proper. Of greater importance, most of refs 8-31 are just links to journal articles. As noted above, these add nothing to establishing notability. Delete all those refs. Retain text content if there are refs for what people have published ABOUT Barrick. David notMD (talk) 10:27, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Sometimes you need such citations to verify statements of fact. Even though the quantity of primary source references bothered me too, it seemed to me that removing them would invite {{citation needed}} tags. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:19, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@Factsnfigurestoo We have special notability guidelines for academics, listed at WP:NACADEMIC. There are a number of possible criteria and the person only need to meet one of them. However, in the case of your draft, the issue seems to be that it is too much like a resume, so you should try to rework it to focus on the factors that make Barrick notable, which may mean cutting some material. You will find the WP:Citation expander helpful: it can take digital object identifiers and expand them into full citations and also helps with some URL. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:59, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

It no longer reads like a resume. The only real problem left is the bare URLs in the citations. After that's fixed, I think the draft is ready for review. I would approve it with the citations fixed. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:42, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks anachronist and everyone else. The citations are fixed. Someone cleaned up many of them, and I just fixed the last couple. I also addressed a few remaining details. I resubmitted it, and look forward to being approved. Factsnfigurestoo (talk) 19:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I took a look and to me, it does still look like a resume (however I am not a reviewer). With respect, what it lacks, to my eyes, are "external sources" that give commentary on the subject's work sufficient to indicate notability; if you want, take a look at one of my articles, perhaps J. Frederick Grassle for some of the ways that (in my view) I was able to indicate the subject's general notability when constructing that article (it did help that the subject was recently deceased, which can promote more external summaries of his career's work and its significance). All I am saying, really, is that if you can find external sources that talk about the subject and either paraphrase these or use short direct quotes, that will assist considerably in shifting your draft away from the "resume" style and more towards the type of encyclopedic entry that would be suitable for Wikipedia. I trust this is taken in the spirit it is intended: there is a "Wikipedia style", knowledge of which will certainly assist you in constructing more rather than less "acceptable" articles, which can sometimes be learned only by trial and error. Of course I do not claim that my cited article example is perfect and/or the last word on the subject, but no one has taken issue with it yet (plus most others that I have written, fingers crossed). Hope this helps and best regards - Tony Rees, Australia Tony 1212 (talk) 20:16, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps I'll try again when the subject dies in 40 years. /s Oh wait, I'll be dead then, too.

Seriously, the notability of the subject Barrick is justified by the many highly cited and high impact papers he has published that address demonstrably important topics, ones for which there are substantive Wikipedia pages. That's the currency of notability in science. Factsnfigurestoo (talk) 20:36, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Alright, I'm done, at least for now. Here and on the article page (where the same and different people are piling on) I've explained my position and bent over backwards to accomodate suggestions. All for naught. Factsnfigurestoo (talk) 21:23, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Many editors (the ones with responsible attitudes) are very reluctant to say what I'm about to say, but I sincerely think it may help you. You've misunderstood the main point because you've been working so much to prove the quality of the subject, when what's needed is to prove his fame. Not the kind of fame that would get him into the tabloids of course, but you need to show that major established trusted third parties published substantial material about him. For example, Einstein is easy because many major trusted sources have published major articles on him.

You have to show that your subject has become a field of study for big-name publishers, that THEY have picked up on his work – your job as editor is NOT to take on the task of demonstrating the quality of his work yourself. TooManyFingers (talk) 22:16, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

The notability of a scientist is justified by their high impact papers (and books) that illuminate important topics, such as ones for which there are substantive Wikipedia pages. That's the currency of notability in science, and I provided abundant evidence of it in this case.

Journal articles (most of them, and all that are relevant here) have been reviewed by other experts -- third parties, and far more expert and reliable than the majority of other sources in news stories, etc. It's that demonstrated excellence of contributions that makes a scientist worthy of being discussed in an encyclopedia.

Wikipedia, alas, is extraordinarily inconsistent within the scientist category as well as between categories of important and unimportant people. Is a MLB baseball player that played 4 games 69 years ago famous? Worthy of being in an encyclopedia?

By the way, I came here to try to improve the site by proving expert content. And in the past, I made a $500 financial contribution to Wikipedia via the Wikimedia foundation. But it sure feels like this place has become too rigid and ossified. Too many rules, and too little thought. Factsnfigurestoo (talk) 22:31, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I replied to this topic earlier, giving suggestions that you appear not to have taken on board. By the way, Wikipedia articles are by no means limited to deceased persons as you imply in your comments, as a simple search will demonstrate. All you (or anyone) as to do is to demonstrate that one, two, or preferably more "external, reputable sources" (not just paper that cite his work, that happens hopefully throughout science) have commented on the notability in his field of the relevant person, for example for producing significant research that has had impact more widely than his own research team or institution, or has been used and perhaps built upon elsewhere in the world, by other significant users. That is all. If such sources do not exist, then maybe the subject is not ready for a Wikipedia article (yet). That is all I have to say on the subject, good luck. Tony 1212 (talk) 22:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I've bent over backwards answering concerns and revising repeatedly per concrete advice. A problem, in my experience here, is Wikipedians give contradictory advice, and they often don't seem to read the various replies and revisions. Good luck to you as well. Factsnfigurestoo (talk) 22:55, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Archiving a Chat at on Talk Page

Since I do not know how to archieve a chat on my talk page can someone who knows do an automated archiving of the chat on my talk page.Thanks. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 02:32, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

See User:lowercase sigmabot III and follow the instructions. See the talk pages of other active users for examples. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Can you check to see if I did it right at my talk page. Thanks. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 04:16, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello Cookiemonster1618!

I fixed the archive for you by following the instructions over at Help:Archiving (plain and simple). Have a nice day! Polygnotus (talk) 05:07, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@Cookiemonster1618: I replaced Polygnotus' fix (edit conflict) with a new template and archive box. Either way has the same effect. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:10, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok thank you so much. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 13:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

will the conversation be removed from my talk page? Or can I remove it now? Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 13:22, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

The bot runs every night. However, that first section may not get archived because it doesn't end with a dated signature, it ends with a closing tag. So you may want to move that to Archive1 yourself. In the archive box on the right of your talk page, click on the "create" link to create it, then paste the first section into it, and remove it from the talk page. The settings currently are to archive things that are 180 days old. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:23, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't see the archive box on the right side of my page? Do i click the edit button and the archive template you guys added at my talk page?. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 19:54, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Are you using a mobile device? If so, I cannot advise because I use only laptop or desktop computers. On a mobile device, you might try enabling the desktop view in the browser, rather than the mobile view.

The archiving templates are already installed on your talk page. If you look at it with the source editor, you will see the template {{User:MiszaBot/config}} and below that the template {{Archive box}}. The first one instructs the archive bot what to do, and the second one is a box that will contain the links to your archives. This box is automatically updated by the bot.

If you are using a laptop or desktop, go to User talk:Cookiemonster1618. On the right at the top is a beige-colored box with the title "Archives". Below that title is a message "no archives yet (create)". Click on "create". ~Anachronist (talk) 21:07, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok thank you so much for your help I was able to archive it on my laptop. Have a great day and thanks for your help once again, I really appreciate it. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 13:39, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Musical notability & sufficient content

Hello! I want to ask for advice about musical notability criteria for this draft. This draft is about 3Racha, an in-house producing team of Stray Kids. The draft recently got declined because of "not meeting the musical notability criteria".

For musician element, 3Racha only officially released multiple non-commercial mixtapes. They only have 4 officially released songs but released as part of side-track on Stray Kids albums (credited as Bang Chan, Changbin, Han)'s song rather than (3Racha). But has collaborated once and the collaborations officially credited as 3Racha. Although because of that, I understand they may have not established enough notability in the musician factor.

I believe that 3Racha may be considered notable in composers and lyricists factor. They were credited as 3Racha on almost all Stray Kids' "considered notable" songs. 3Racha also had been awarded in the Best Producer category in South Korean award ceremony, they had been nominated twice in the similar category from two different award ceremonies.

Can you give me example of how should I improve the draft? Should I make the "Works and musical style" section like what it is in the Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart article for the "insufficient content"? Actually I'm confused of the criteria because it seems like focused on composers like Mozart and Paganini who composed a sonata. It would be great if you can guide me to article of a modern music producer who is notable but only wrote for others so I can understand better of the implementation for the criteria (if there's any because songwriters that I knew got considered notable for because of their musician factor rather than songwriting factor like Bumzu and the songwriter Kenzie article seems not so strict for her article) Thank you in advance!— Shenaall (t ♣ c) 04:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello Shenaall!

I think the main reason the draft was declined was because there are not enough reliable sources from independent sources like newspapers and magazines. While I see some citations there, there are in Korean. I will suggest that before you resubmit it, you add more references.

Also, if they have a major record label and have win a gold medal, this will further establish their Notability, else, I will suggest you wait till they meet some Notability guide before you send it again for review.

Best! Tesleemah (talk) 06:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Also, some things there are not very neccesary. You can remove the part you explained how names are derived in hangul. Remove contents you can't find enough sources for too, at least, the article can stand as a stub. Tesleemah (talk) 06:39, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

[edit conflict] Hi, Shenaall! The key point is that to Wikipedia, WP:Notable doesn't generally mean "the subject is important (or influential, or prominent, etc.) in the field in which the they work", it means roughly "the subject has been extensively written about (not merely listed) in published Reliable sources independently of any direct input from them or their associates." A Wikipedia article should consist mostly of summaries of the material in such sources.

This means that, however many writing or production credits 3Racha has/have, those do not in themselves contribute to 3Racha's notability. (Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for composers and lyricists, point 1 says ". . . may be notable if they . . . [have] credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition.", but 'may be' is not definitely 'are', and obviously the Draft reviewers did not think this criterion was sufficiently met.

In short, you really need to find at least three different and independent published articles, or at least several paragraphs within three such articles, specifically about 3Racha. Hope this helps {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.209.45 (talk) 06:40, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Add a certificate to a Wiki page

I wish to add a certificate (from a Public Prosecutor's Office) on a website that exonerates the gentleman concerned of any crimes. I don't know how to add the PDF certificate to the site. One has to jump through so many loops. Thank you Xander Fir (talk) 07:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Xander Fir.

First question: has this certificate been published? If not, then it may not be cited and no information from it may be used in the article (unless the information is also in a published source, of course, in which case why is the certificate relevant?)

Second point: if it is published, then it may be cited, but it will be a primary source, from which only uncontroversial factual information may be cited. So the article could then say something like "The Public Prosecutor's Office stated that ... ", but must not attempt to draw any conclusions from that statement - that would be original research, which is forbidden in a Wikipedia Article.

I suggest you have a look at WP:RIGHTINGGREATWRONGS - Wikipedia is not the place for advocacy, no matter how worthy the cause may be. ColinFine (talk) 09:16, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Colin Fine, thanks for your reply. If one checks at the Public Prosecutors Office in Palermo, as per the doc I want to upload, which was published (issued) by them, you will find that there is nothing outstanding against Palazzolo. Wikipedia is happy to publish news from the media, which is so famously mistrusted by people, but they don't want to publish a primary source document fromn the court that charged him in the first place. Palazzolo is 77 now and exhausted by this battle to prove his innocence, fighting the likes of Wikipedia, from the start, and - given his exoneration and freedom thereof - wants to drop it. No one can arrest him or impune him any more. 197.87.7.130 (talk) 08:13, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I mean impugn 197.87.7.130 (talk) 08:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Vito Roberto Palazzolo website

I edited Palazzolo's wiki page, and my edit was removed. Added to which I want to upload the document from the Public Prosecutors Office at the Court of Palermo (Sicily) that exonerated him of all crimes. Can anyone help me do this, and why was my edit removed? Xander Fir (talk) 07:43, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

The article's history shows that Frost has asked you to argue persuasively in Talk:Vito Roberto Palazzolo for your proposed changes. Please do so. This "document": Where is it published? -- Hoary (talk) 07:51, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I looked at the Talk site, listing our old arguments. I couldn't find anything referring to my latest edit, where I want to add the fact of Palazzolo's exoneration - of all criminal charges - by the Public Prosecutors office in Palermo. What I want to add is something new, and uncontestable. I don't need to argue "persuasively", but present the document. It's over now. Xander Fir (talk) 08:24, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Where have you found this document? And wherever it is, hasn't it been adequately summarized by reliable Italian news websites? -- Hoary (talk) 08:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I looked at what you added. Here's its second half: {{Expert needed}} I need an expert to help me upload the document from the Public Prosecutor's Office in Palermo, that exonerates Palazzolo of all criminal charges. Almost certainly no such upload would be appropriate, let alone necessary. If it were appropriate, then an article would be about the least appropriate place to ask for help in the enterprise. So Frost was entirely right to make the deletion. -- Hoary (talk) 08:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Why would an authentic document exonerating a man of his crimes (after 40 years) not be "appropriate", or "necessary"? And why if it was appropriate, as you suggest, would "an article...... be about the least appropriate place to ask for help in the enterprise." I don't understand what you mean. Xander Fir (talk) 08:29, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I didn't say the document would be inappropriate (though I suspect that it would be). I said that uploading it would be inappropriate. Xander Fir, if you can point me to one or two other articles here within which "I" describes his or her needs and appeals for help, please do so. But until you do, I'll maintain that an article is a highly inappropriate place for such an appeal. Post it on the article's talk page. -- Hoary (talk) 08:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for replying. Apologies, but I still don't understand what you mean. A document (not an article) was recently released (30/11/23) exonerating a man of his crimes. After 40 years that's BIG news. How can I add a very brief explanation of that on his Wikipedia page, and for autheticity's sake, upload the document? And then we can lay it to rest. Xander Fir (talk) 09:23, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

If it is "BIG news", then you should have no trouble providing news sources which have reported on it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Are there no independent reliable sources that report on this man being exonerated of a crime? It shouldn't be necessary to use a primary source. 331dot (talk) 09:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

The Head of Certification Service at the Public Prosecutor's Office in Palermo is a "reliable source". Could there be anything more authentic, original and reliable than this? Xander Fir (talk) 09:32, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

It may be reliable, but it is not independent. Are there no news reports of this man being exonerated of a crime? 331dot (talk) 09:33, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

'll get back to you ASAP with that. Thank you Xander Fir (talk) 10:07, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

How is the Public Prosecutor's Office not independent of Vito Roberto Palazzolo? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Indepedent or not, it's a primary source, not an indepedent commentary. ColinFine (talk) 15:48, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I wasn't questioning it being a primary source; but the claim that it is not independent. The page to which you link is quote clear: "Primary sources that have been reputably published may be used in Wikipedia [...] with care. A primary source may be used on Wikipedia [...] to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:37, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

A media article is independent, but historically often skewed. Since a primary source from the Court itself isn't acceptable, what is? An opinion from another person? 197.87.7.130 (talk) 07:34, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

No source is without bias. The sources are presented to readers so they can evaluate and judge factors like bias for themselves in determining what to believe for themselves. A source being biased does not preclude its use on Wikipedia unless it is alleged the source is so biased that it makes stuff up out of whole cloth. No matter how biased a source is- being exonerated is a straightforward claim that bias would not affect in and of itself.

A court is not an independent source for its own rulings. 331dot (talk) 08:37, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

That does not mean that a court document could not be used as a source in the article under discussion. The court is independent of the article subject. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:09, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Preventing a previously deleted article being readded

Today, I noticed an obvious troll article, Wikipedia:Dante Antonio Muñoz Carriman, has been deleted multiple times now but the LTA behind it continues to use sockpuppets to readd the article. It is easy to remove but it would be nice if there was a way of blacklisting the article from being created in the first place? Fantastic Mr. Fox (talk) 09:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Foxy. Yes, an article title can be SALTed. I don't know the procedure, but that page will no doubt tell you how. ColinFine (talk) 09:17, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Fantastic Mr. Fox I deleted that the last time- I considered salting it- and it might happen- but often a user who does behavior like that will just evade the salting. 331dot (talk) 09:22, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect Display Title

I've published my first article with the wrong display title. Is there a way to change it? Thank you. SH8989 (talk) 10:37, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

First, "Publish" means 'save'. Your only activity is at User:SH8989/sandbox. This is therefore an unsubmitted draft. If, in time, you submit it to Articles for Creation (AfC) for review and it is moved to mainspace, the reviewer will give it a correct title, i.e., the person's name. David notMD (talk) 10:43, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@SH8989: I have added a box with a Submit button to User:SH8989/sandbox. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:43, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Please do not submit yet. Some of your sections do not have references. For a living person, all content needs to be verified. Secondly, it is unlikely that this person meets the criteria for academics described at Wikipedia:Notability (academics). David notMD (talk) 12:43, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@SH8989 He might be notable based on his awards but you need to wikilink the articles (e.g. Senior Fellow of the Higher Education Academy) to show their signiicance and, most importantly, cite the sources which confirm these details. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:37, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Mike. I'll check first whether he is notable and will then add all the wikilinks and cite sources. SH8989 (talk) 01:03, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi David,

thank you for all the info. I'll check the Wikipedia:Notability(academics) first and if I proceed, I'll add all required references. SH8989 (talk) 01:01, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! SH8989 (talk) 01:02, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

About my draft

I have submitted a draft previously and it got rejected 21st August 2024, I made the asked edits and resubmitted it, I want a professional to check and let me know if it is ok or not.

Link- Draft:Abhiishek Mohta Solveitabhinav (talk) 10:51, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

It was Declined, which is less severe than Rejected. There are no 'professional' people here - Reviewers and Teahouse hosts are all unpaid volunteers. You have resubmitted it, and in time a review will take place. David notMD (talk) 12:45, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Adding citations for awards at state competitions for AfC

Have a draft that am trying to get created and I believe it needs additional criteria. I'm trying to add the awards that the band has won but they're stored on a proprietary database by organiser (Band Association of NSW) - https://bandnsw.com/ContestResults.php . What's the best way of adding the list of awards and provide adequate proper citations ? 203.220.221.175 (talk) 10:58, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Never mind about listing awards: what you need to do is to find some sources that meet the triple criteria of being independent, reliable, and containing significant coverage of the band: see WP:42. If you can't find these, then you can't establish that the band meets Wikipedia's crieria for notability, and anything at all that you do towards the draft will be a waste of time.

Once you have established notability (and made sure that the bulk of the article depends on sources which meet those criteria]], then you can add further information. But if an award is only documented on the organiser's database, and hasn't been reported on by a reliable secondary source, why should it go into an encyclopaedia article? ColinFine (talk) 15:53, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Next move?

A bit silly, but: I'm stuck knowing what to do next in a content dispute with a specific editor; mostly, I think, because it's across a number of pages and they are fairly unresponsive. Here are some recent diffs: PCC556's change in March; my July restoration; article talk – Talk:Odo of Metz#Lead change; User talk:PCC556#July 2024. Other pages where we've interacted: Justacorps, Caravel, Frog (fastening). There's a kind of POV around Asian or non-Western cultural influences, or something(?!) See, for example, these edits: 1 violin; 2 vaquero; 3 Art Nouveau furniture; 4 tiara; 5 cast iron; and this, immediatlely reverted, but quite startling one.

My version(s) might be wrong, and of course I could just leave it, for other editors – if and when they see a problem. I don't see how this would be a matter for any of the ANI-type boards, either: There's no "slightly worrisome" noticeboard ...

I guess what I'm asking is what do you do when someone just won't engage? Just leave the poorly sourced or unsourced edits alone until more editors see them? A little advice would be appreciated; second opinions on whether I'm imagining the POV thing would be helpful, too. AukusRuckus (talk) 11:19, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@AukusRuckus: Please follow the process at WP:DR. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:25, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I was under the impression that I was following the process? This was just looking for sounding board, which I hoped would meet with some constructive suggestions. I had a rather upsetting encounter with a sock (not the case here) a while ago, which I let go on and on, and wanted to avoid being a lone voice again here (or alternatively have others point out I was being unreasonable, if that's the case). If it was inappropriate to ask here, I apologise.

The new contentious issue notification as a response was the least expected outcome. (Yes, I'm aware it does not imply that there are any issues with my editing.) AukusRuckus (talk) 00:03, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

That one you called "quite startling" DOES lead to "A Prayer for Our Soldiers", not to any valid information, and PCC556 was absolutely correct in removing religious spam. TooManyFingers (talk) 00:02, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough, I was unaware of that. I have not edited there. Thanks for the information. AukusRuckus (talk) AukusRuckus (talk) 00:04, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I was focused on the removal of the information, which is what I thought the ES was referring to, rather than the cited source. This absolutely should have been removed. Should the information have been removed with it, or an attempt to properly source it have been made? I don't know, not my area. Obviously a bad example of what I meant, although I think an argument could be made that it was slightly trigger happy. I'll get back in box now, since I'm clearly making a hash of things! AukusRuckus (talk) 00:13, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I deleted that source again. If you know a "clean" legitimate reliable place to see the information it was intended to point to, please add it where the other one used to be, that would be great. TooManyFingers (talk) 01:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I just took a quick look at the Art Nouveau example, and his edit summary explains that another editor has misread or misquoted the source material. He says nothing anti-Japan; he seems to be saying Art Nouveau did not adopt authentic Japanese methods, but rather used some Western-style cosmetic treatments to give a "sort of Japanese-ish look" to things. As far as I'm aware, this is true.

It's not impossible that he might be engaged in some kind of destructive scheme, but it doesn't look like it on the surface. TooManyFingers (talk) 01:40, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Close the Duplicated RfCs

Dear Wikipedians,

Could you please officially close the two RfCs below that have the same purpose: to decide on a new Trump profile picture?

1. RfC: Trump infobox photo 2. RfC: Trump photo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2024_United_States_presidential_election#Alternative_options%3F Goodtiming8871 (talk) 11:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Goodtiming8871, welcome to the Teahouse. Closure requests should go to WP:Closure requests. 57.140.16.35 (talk) 13:34, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind advice. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 11:43, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Changing the Source of A file

Hello, I have uploaded a file as my own work because I misunderstood the statement. I do not know how can I change this. I would appreciate some help with it. Istarek (talk) 11:59, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

You'll need to edit the description page on Wikimedia Commons to change the source and author to their correct values. You'll also probably need to change the licensing info, and note that the image can only stay on Commons if it has been released under a suitable free license. J11csd (talk) 12:55, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

To clean or not to clean?

Heya. I was wondering if this page qualifies for cleanup as I believe it may be a violation of WP:NOTDIRECTORY..? I'm not sure, that's why I'm asking here! Opinions are much appreciated. Scuffedsherm (talk) 12:04, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@Scuffedsherm I would say it certainly could do with some TLC. For a start, it has far too many external links in the body text, which is usually frowned upon. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:26, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Sorry for asking, but what's TLC? Scuffedsherm (talk) 06:54, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

@Scuffedsherm just "tender loving care". Sorry, I may be showing my age by using outdated acronyms. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

That's fine, thanks for your reply! Scuffedsherm (talk) 11:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Sources for Political News

Are news sources like FOX, Newsweek, MSNBC and Vox allowed to be cited in articles about politics? I ask because these sites often cherrypick information to promote a political agenda, or downright lie to again push an agenda. Also, are news sources that are slightly partisan like ABC and The Wall Street Journal allowed to be used as sources in political Wikipedia articles? ApteryxRainWing (talk) 13:58, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@ApteryxRainWing You'll find the consensus about these sources at WP:RSPS. In some cases you may need to look at the archives via the search box but the major ones have their own sections like WP:FOXNEWSPOLITICS. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:23, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Notifications?

Can I set up notifications to be alerted if any new entries are added to Category:Books with missing cover? I often work on adding new book cover images, but I don't know when new ones are added other than looking at the number grow. It would be helpful to know exactly which new books are added in need of book cover images and what letter they are under and the exact article title etc. Iljhgtn (talk) 14:30, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

If you go to that page you gave the link for, there's a star-shaped icon to click on. After you click it, the page will be placed onto your watchlist. When you visit your watchlist page, it shows whether any of the pages you're watching have been changed. You can click the star on almost any page, and keep track of as many pages as you like.

I hope that was what you needed. TooManyFingers (talk) 22:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I do not like the watchlist feature. Too many things get automatically added to it, so I never check that page. Is there no other way? Iljhgtn (talk) 22:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

There easily might be. I don't know, but I never tried. TooManyFingers (talk) 23:54, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

• Have you tried Wikipedia:Special:RecentChangesLinked?Moxy🍁 00:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Broken Article

I just tried to create a page for the Saturn INT-05 (Draft:Saturn INT-05), but the infobox is broken. Does someone know how to fix this? Toxopid (talk) 15:00, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@Toxopid This usually happens when the }} get out of step. I've added one pair and the infobox is better, although it still shows some errors. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:10, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for fixing it. I will fix the errors that are still there. Toxopid (talk) 15:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Football Transfers (and other questions)

Hello Teahouse staff!

I am a football/soccer fan and I would like to start making more edits on player transfers begin to heat up as the transfer window begins to close.

What is considered a "reputable source" and can be used to cite that a player made a move from "X" to "Y" club? The clubs themselves? Transfermarkt? Fabrizio Romano? I would like to make sure my sources are proper sources and not just rumour from a website or insider.

Also, I am currently in the process of cleaning up an article I am writing but I am busy with other work at the moment. How long can an article go inactive before it is archived? Thanks- A1139530 (talk) 15:23, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@A1139530: Your first point is probably better discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football; no doubt they have some guidelines or a FAQ; and maybe a newsletter. Draft articles are generally deleted after six months of inactivity, but if you created one you should get a talk-page notification before that happens; and you can request to have it undeleted at any time. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:19, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Restore removed article

Hi,

I was blocked for a while, for which Shyaam Nikhil P. was moved from the main space I guess. Now I have been unblocked, so restore the article if possible. —𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 19:31, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I have un-deleted the article. Normally you would make such requests at WP:REFUND. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Got It. Thanks a lot. —𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 00:16, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Reverting edits

Hello. I was just wondering: what is the correct way to revert edits on Wikipedia. For my two plus years editing Wikipedia, I have just been cut and pasting things, but I think it is about time to learn what the official method actually is! Many thanks in advance and kind regards, Roads4117 (talk) 19:43, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Roads4117. See Help:Reverting. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes that is just what I was looking for. Many thanks! Roads4117 (talk) 20:58, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Websites for road lengths

Hello. I was wondering if somebody could help me find a website for road lengths. On the A508 road, I used the "measure distance" tool, however last week, it was taken to AfD (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A508 road), as it appeared to be original research in some editors' eyes. However, the only reason I used it was because the only other place I could find this kind of information was on SABRE Roads - an unreliable website made by road enthusiasts. Therefore, I was wondering if you lot could help. Is Google Maps OK for something like this if it is the last resort? Or is it OK all the time? Can you find any other free websites that presents this kind of information? Many thanks in advance! Regards, Roads4117 (talk) 19:56, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I suspect perhaps the real message is "stop wanting to put precise lengths". Finding a source is not the point. The point is finding a trustworthy, easily-verifiable, stable source. Google gives slightly different answers each time and is not necessarily stable.

Is there a publicly accessible government document on this? TooManyFingers (talk) 22:30, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

There is probably no such source, because such information is unimportant. Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:50, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

@Shantavira, actually, such information is important, as it shows how important the road is: there is a big difference between the A1 at approximately 410 miles (660 km) and the A38 at 292 miles (470 km), compared with the A79 at 7.7 miles (12.4 km), or the A3215 at 0.2 miles (0.32 km). Furthermore, the road length needs to be found somewhere in the article (especially in the infobox), so actually it is really important to have in road articles! Roads4117 (talk) 08:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

No, not that I can find (apart from on roads like the A1), which is the problem; other than oh major roads, your options are (1) add a unreliable source like SABRE roads, made from road enthusiasts, which is more than likely to be reverted, or (2) add Google Maps 'measure distance' tool, which gets challenged as original research or copyvio when the article goes to AfD. So either way, you cannot win (unless someone else finds another source). Roads4117 (talk) 07:57, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Writing article

Hello! I was wondering if someone could help me edit the A508 road article. I have been worked on it quite a lot since about June 2023, trying to make the page better, but, as I said in my previous comment, now this page is an AfD (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A508 road), I have obviously gone about it in the wrong way; I was trying to write it in a similar style to the A52 road article, but failed!! Therefore, even though I have been editing for over two years, this is my first article that I am (more or less) writing from stratch (in 2022 the article had only three sentences), so I think I need a little bit of help just to get me going. Any help will be much appreciated and many thanks in advance! Regards, Roads4117 (talk) 20:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@Roads4117 Consensus was that the article be  Kept. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:57, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok, great! Even so, I still think if I don't get some help soon, then it may have a second nomination at AfD, and next time, it probably won't be so lucky. Roads4117 (talk) 07:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Oblivion

Who do I talk to about filling for the right to be forgotten 70.129.63.193 (talk) 22:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

titled -- Hoary (talk) 22:55, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

There's no such right. For most editors, the best way to be forgotten is just to stop editing. For special cases, carefully read and digest Wikipedia:Courtesy vanishing. -- Hoary (talk) 23:00, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Or are you asking about deleting an article, perhaps one about you or a person you know? David notMD (talk) 02:40, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hoary, the questioner is probably asking a general, internet-related question, and not one related to Wikipedia. This is most likely, given that this is their first or second career edit. The right to be forgotten is probably a better known issue in Europe than in most English-speaking countries, and there is such a right in some countries. post-ec: David notMD Mathglot (talk) 02:43, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

An editor acting oddly?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Not an issue for Teahouse. Referred elsewhere

 – The help desk does not deal with behavioral issues, WP:ANI does. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 01:09, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

A fairly new editor (now with around 40-50 edits) added some poorly sourced and potentially controversial material to a couple of articles and neglected to give meaningful edit summaries (just reused an unrelated edit summary from one of their earlier edits). I sent a message on their user talk page saying please give more accurate edit summaries so people will know what you did. The response I got back was very slow to arrive, and I couldn't tell from the response if they had even understood what I wrote to them. I observed them off and on for a little while, and this reuse of non-relevant edit summaries just continued, so I wrote to them again. Seemed better after that. BUT then this quite new, barely responsive, (and maybe even of questionable English literacy) editor jumped to resubmitting a recently declined article of a non-notable American physician, apparently without fixing any of the problems that got it declined. I went back to their talk page and (my action probably easily interpreted as rude) asked them if someone is paying them to edit. After several days they responded, but it was incoherent. I asked again, and nothing back so far.

I don't know what to do, if anything. I hope someone with relevant experience sees this and understands. TooManyFingers (talk) 23:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

separate every VPN and ip address worldwide

Uncompress every VPN and ip address worldwide how to fix it and clear my name from the internet erase everything that I have done from the internet Re1Lucky365 (talk) 00:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

What question are you asking about Wikipedia? -- Hoary (talk) 00:07, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

When something has been put on the internet, there is no way to undo it. Tiny pieces may sometimes be removed, but most of it is going to be kept forever. TooManyFingers (talk) 00:45, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

JOËL (singer) Article

Hello! I had a question regarding an article i recently finished writing. I just submitted one of my first ever full articles as a draft, but it got declined. I was wondering if any of you could tell me how i should modify my article so it does get accepted? I understand that claims made on Discord typically don't get accepted, but Joël has shared many of the details i mentioned in the article elsewhere as well, and they align consistently and perfectly with his public persona (and the details he shared). He has openly talked about his experiences, like growing up in the forests like Aurora Aksnes, his admiration for certain artists, his childhood, and his goals in various digital interviews and social media platforms. He seems to be very transparent about his past and present, making it highly unlikely that he's not being truthful. In my perspective. I would appreciate any advice on how to properly cite these sources and structure the article to meet Wikipedia's standards!

Draft:Joël Galliard

(Plus, release information about his debutsong, i couldn't find anywhere else but social media like SoundCloud and Spotify.) (All of the other information was taken from his own shared photos, posts, and messages on various platforms, the most recurring one being Discord, specifically a Discord Server named 'Mothership' [a popular fan server for artist AURORA]). Plopperdeplop12345 (talk) 00:34, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

@Plopperdeplop12345, you've provided information that is verifiable, which is good. But what you're missing is any evidence of his notability. We want references from secondary sources for this, not just statements the subject has made. See WP:BIO. -- asilvering (talk) 00:50, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

What's missing is for you to quote big media outlets who write featured articles about him, where they say he is already famous and already popular. TooManyFingers (talk) 00:51, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

TooManyFingers, reliable, disinterested sources do not have to be "big media outlets". Neither fame nor popularity is necessary. -- Hoary (talk) 00:54, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Strictly you are absolutely right. Yet the misunderstanding persists and persists that simply providing true information is somehow the key, and while my words are not strictly correct, they do give at least a reasonably correct (and corrective) impression – something that years and years of strictly correct explanations have consistently failed to convey. TooManyFingers (talk) 01:04, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

That's the issue, he's a very new artist; he hasn't had any reviews, interviews, or any other articles yet. All of the references come from his own pages, and his chats in a Discord server named Mothership (which i mentioned earlier). There aren't any other sources or articles about him yet, and Wikipedia is the only website i know of where i could permanently put in claims with prove to back those claims up (again, his own messages and pages). Plopperdeplop12345 (talk) 01:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry @Plopperdeplop12345, in that case, he doesn't meet our notability guidelines, so we won't publish an article on him. -- asilvering (talk) 01:27, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I understand. Plopperdeplop12345 (talk) 01:47, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

@Plopperdeplop12345, it sounds like you have a case of WP:TOOSOON - it's entirely possible he'll become notable, and if you make a small edit to your draft every six months it will be ready to go if/when he does meet the guidelines. Even adding/removing a space or full stop counts as a small edit, but of course you could take the opportunity to search for any new information on him and reassess whether it's time to submit. You'll get a warning at the five-month mark for your draft, so take that as the time to make an edit and keep the draft active. Fingers crossed he gets noticed and notable soon! StartGrammarTime (talk) 02:45, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey, thank you! I never knew the five-month mark by the way haha. Plopperdeplop12345 (talk) 03:13, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

From a note on the draft, this appears to be an attempt at an article about yourself. See WP:AUTO for why the rarely works. David notMD (talk) 02:48, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Huh? No, this is not an article about myself. Plopperdeplop12345 (talk) 03:13, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

What note on the draft? Again, i am not writing an article about myself. Plopperdeplop12345 (talk) 03:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Quoted from an edit summary in October of last year by user JoelDeKabouter on an article which was then called Kabouter Plop but which is now called Studio 100:

I dedicated a significant amount of time to thoroughly revise the wiki page, incorporating reliable references and embedding relevant links. The majority of the content present in this English rendition of the article has been meticulously crafted and translated by me, Joël Galliard. This undertaking was a labor-intensive effort. There is still alot of missing info, so any help would be highly appreciated.

These "Plop"s and "Joël Galliard"s and "Kabouter"s seem to be proliferating on Wikipedia somehow.

(The "dedicated, thorough, and meticulous" edit by Joël Galliard/JoelDeKabouter was reverted because it contained no reliable references.) TooManyFingers (talk) 05:03, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

The draft starts with "Notes to admins: writing references in here was a pain, as they somehow cloned themselves haha. Nothing to worry tho, i can fix it when this article gets accepted. JOËL (singer)" How is that not you? David notMD (talk) 07:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I think the OP meant "JOËL (singer)" to be the title of their new article and so placed it at the top, as I've seen some other new folks do; they weren't using it as a signature to their prior message. 57.140.16.35 (talk) 13:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

How to suggest a creation of an article

Some of you may have heard about the EEE outbreak in Massachusetts, and I’m thinking that an article should be created about it given its intensity, severity, and longevity. However, I don’t know how to create or suggest an article (and even if I knew how to do the former, that might be a bit too much work for me alone at least), so if anyone could help me with how to suggest an idea for a new Wikipedia article, that would be greatly appreciated. LordOfWalruses (talk) 00:51, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Have you already got a list of articles about it that have appeared in reliable publications? That would be a great start. TooManyFingers (talk) 00:56, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

LordOfWalruses, there is already an article Eastern equine encephalitis which has existed since 2005. If you want to create an article about the recent outbreak, the right way to do that, is to edit the article Eastern equine encephalitis, and add a sentence or two to section Eastern equine encephalitis § United States, along with some citations to reliable sources. In time, should this story generate a flood of additional independent reports, then consider expanding the two sentences into a new subsection of a couple of paragraphs, perhaps to be called, "2024 Massachusetts outbreak", or similar. If the story snowballs so that there are almost too many sources to keep up with, and expanding the section any more than it already is would seem to be too much for the size of the article (currently, 28kb), only then would it make sense to break out that section into a new article. If and when that happens, please see WP:Summary style for how to do that, and since it looks like you haven't created an article before, see also Help:Your first article. I left you some additional tips at Talk:Eastern equine encephalitis#2024 Massachusetts outbreak. Hope this helps, Mathglot (talk) 02:10, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Citing a copyvio?

Hi Teahouse, I've been working on improving an article and ran into a fun problem: one of the citations is to what we would consider a copyvio. The cited website has reproduced in full an article written in a local newspaper in the 90s. As far as I can tell, the local newspaper is not archived online, and the website's justification was "We're not certain whether the Citizen archives it's stories for later reference, so we're going to archive it here for further reference." Obviously the justification doesn't actually make it better, but it does suggest that finding the original could be difficult. Certainly my search has come up with nothing besides the site in question.

My question is - what to do here? I'm leaning towards trying to cite the original article; the paper's name, article title, and author are available (but not the day/month/year). It seems that the only way to read the original article is the copied text, though. Do I link it, even though they've reproduced the entire article? Does any policy cover this? StartGrammarTime (talk) 02:41, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I think this is covered by WP:LINKVIO TooManyFingers (talk) 02:56, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @TooManyFingers, my policy hunt failed to find that. Exactly what I needed. StartGrammarTime (talk) 06:13, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

A source to be checked

A user has recently cited "billboardmusicworld.com". It's on another Wikipedia, but I was hoping someone here could evaluate it, because I get a weird feeling about it. For example this link here: https://www.billboardmusicworld.com/speaker-boy-signs-agreement-with-sony-music-subsidiary-awal-and-announces-possible-ep/

It seems to me that it's claiming to be associated with Billboard (magazine) and possibly using their trademark. But I don't think it's associated with them. The website also shows their number of followers as 14M on Facebook, 14M on Twitter, and 3M on YouTube, but those link to the actual Billboard accounts. So is this a separate company , or a division of Billboard (magazine)? I also found "billboardworldmusic.com" 2607:F140:6000:8178:A87A:9DD0:F261:82A2 (talk) 03:59, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

IP editor. There's only one use of that website on the whole of en:Wikipedia, so I'd be very wary of it. You might get a more reasoned answer at WP:RSN. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:21, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

The domain name is registered through namecheap.com [4] - that's a red flag. billboard.com on the other hand is registered through networksolutions.com [5] Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Where to request higher-level feedback on (user draft) article before move to mainspace

Hi Teahouse patrons! I have a draft article in my userspace on the death of Milton King that I'd love to get feedback and recommendations on before I move it to mainspace. I've written B- and C-class articles before, and this is more robust than that (though I'm sure the writing fails in some areas); ideally I'd like to push for GA at some point even. Is this still an AfC-type situation, or is there somewhere else I can go to request higher-level feedback aimed specifically at getting this future article to B- or GA-class? Many thanks. SunTunnels (talk) 04:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Don't send it through AfC! It's backlogged and you clearly already know how to write an article. Honestly, you're probably set to take this to GA already. I'm not seeing any red flags. -- asilvering (talk) 04:27, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

@asilvering Thanks very much for the advice! Will do. No addition to AfC backlog here, heh. SunTunnels (talk) 04:54, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

By the way, WP:RATER thinks this is "B or higher" with a confidence of 93.3%. -- asilvering (talk) 06:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Employ AI-driven animation software to ensure smooth and professional character movements.

Employ AI-driven animation software to ensure smooth and professional character movements. 45.124.15.205 (talk) 04:41, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to do it yourself. -- Hoary (talk) 05:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Animation software already does this. No AI is necessary for such trivia. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:51, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Where to propose this category reform?

Thanks to perusing WP:PetScan several minutes ago while researching GAs/FAs with "Anthologies" as a parent category, I'd like to make a proposal that puts printed, literary collections into a new subcategory. (Given that the current lineup also lumps in music-related and audiovisual material as well...) --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 10:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

@Slgrandson: Very random thanks, however welcome! Now that WP:Teahouse is not to propose, it is for new editors to ask questions. You may like to see Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) or talk page of WP:PetScan if tis solely related to that. Cheers, ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 11:23, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Published Page not showing up

Hi there,

I published a page about two months ago entitled Opera Orlando and the page is still not showing up on Wikipedia. Any idea why that is? OR do you know whom I can contact to find out why it is not showing up?

Many thanks for any help!!

Burchtri (talk) 10:58, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

@Burchtri: Your page is at User:Burchtri/sandbox. You would need to follow the process at WP:AFC to submit it for review and publication. But before it will pass, it needs more citations, per WP:42. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:01, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello. If you are referring to the content of your sandbox- it is "published" in that it is on Wikipedia's computers, but it is not part of the encyclopedia. New accounts cannot directly create articles, you need to use the Article Wizard to create and submit a draft for review. I would note thst your draft is unlikely to be accepted, as it is almost completely unsourced.

Be aware that "Publish changes" does not mean "publish this to the encyclopedia", it means "make this visible on Wikipedia's computers". It should be understood to just mean "save". 331dot (talk) 11:02, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

IRC

Are wikipedia policies are applicable to its IRC channels? ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 11:27, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes and no. Common sense applies. But: IRC has no article namespace, or an equivalent (so policies related to it don't apply) for example. Could you be more specific? Luhanopi (talk) 13:30, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

@Luhanopi: I forgot to mention. Like WP:CIVILITY. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 14:39, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Mostly should be followed (except for the sections related to edit summaries, obviously). In my opinion, that policy is common sense. How and whether it will be enforced is another thing, Luhanopi (talk) 15:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor, the only policies which apply to the IRC channels are those which the folks running the channels decide to institute. They're not run by the WMF and aren't required to follow any rules set up on WMF projects. 57.140.16.35 (talk) 13:43, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

But, common sense of course applies. Luhanopi (talk) 14:24, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Common sense applies if the owners decide to apply it; in the end, it's their server. Though Libera Chat, as the provider of the software, may also have some say in the matter - not sure how much, I'm a Discord regular rather than IRC. 57.140.16.35 (talk) 14:34, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Editing "protected to prevent vandalism" page

Hi there,

How can information be edited on a "protected to prevent vandalism" page? The nationality doesn't match either the information about the person's life or work. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandra_Ekster

Will appreciate any help.

Whataheck (talk) 15:14, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Pages that are protected because of vandalism can usually be edited by semi-confirmed users (users with 10 edits and 4 days of registration time), but sometimes the bar to edit is raised to extended-confirmed (users with 500 edits and 30 days of registration time) if semi-protection isn't enough. You can also make an edit request if you see something that needs to be changed, but keep in mind that those requests need reliable sources unless it's a minor edit. — BerryForPerpetuity (talk) 15:21, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Adding to that, consider earlier discussions like Talk:Aleksandra_Ekster#Nationality_attribution. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:24, 27 August 2024 (UTC)