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May songs

May songs
my story today

I had a good story on coronation day: a Te Deum we sang that day. And the following day we sang it for the composer ;) - And today we remember a composer who created music especially for us! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:54, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

more pleasant music - just heard! - if you click on songs - did you know a string quartet with two cellos? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:08, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

and now May scenery pictured, - scroll up if you missed the chamber music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:10, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: thank you, I have checked all this out. Looks like you have had a fantastic few weeks, and I do like to listen to some chamber music as well. Not something I've played much myself, but always nice to listen. We're currently practising Symphony No. 4 (Brahms) in our orchestra, quite a nice one IMHO! It's been a varied few weeks in terms of activities, we saw some friends over the coronation weekend and earlier this week I found myself at Addington Hills, where I did a short walk south through Bramley Bank. It's quite an urban setting, pretty much surrounded by the built-up area of London, but some nice open fields and footpaths on the way too. Also some stunning views over the city, here are a few of the things you can see:
     
Croydon, London town centre Wembley Stadium
(where my team Coventry City F.C. will be playing next Saturday for the play-off final!) 		London skyline including The Shard and other buildings, plus Crystal Palace transmitting station mast
Canary Wharf Horses in field from Bramley Bank Lake at Heathfield House
Regards, and wishing you a good weekend.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:42, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for the images, nice impressions! Quiet day today, going to a birthday in a garden - I sang Le Laudi with her and her husband but they didn't return after the pandemic - with the new conductor. Rheingau planned for tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for insisting on singing vs. just looks for the Main page! - new pics, new memory and music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:53, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
Thank you today for TFA 2018 EFL League Two play-off Final, introduced (in 2020): "It's another play-off final for your perusal, this time the match to decide the last team promoted from League Two (the fourth tier) up to League One (the third tier). This one featured Coventry City, who had been relegated in 2016–17 (despite their win in the 2017 EFL Trophy Final - see my other FAC nomination, further down this page!). And they were playing against Exeter City, who were in the final for the second season in a row. I was at the game as a Coventry supporter, and it was a happy day for us, as the team raced into a 3–0 lead after half time, eventually winning the game 3–1. Unfortunately for Exeter they are still trying to get out of the division and they lost yet again in the same final this season."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for your oppose on ANI, which I joined but to no success, sadly. - Pentecost was full of music, and my story today is that it was 300 years ago today that Bach became Thomaskantor, with BWV 75, which changed music history. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:38, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

This is wrong right?

I was performing a non-admin closure of an RM at newa architecture which I performed using rmCloser script. I have been engaging in RM closing since a long time now but I failed to notice that some of these closures are redirects and would require a technical request. I clicked the "move directly" option here which performed the move. Please refer to my contribs for those changes. Could you help me determine if those are mistakes and need to be reverted or if those are fine. >>> Extorc.talk 10:18, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

@Extorc: really sorry, I completely missed this request. Are you still having issues with this? Happy to look into it if so. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 07:53, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Yes, I am not aware if this move was done properly by me. it would be great if you could examine and tell if it is fine to move redirected pages like this in future? >>> Extorc.talk 09:00, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
@Extorc: OK sure, at work right now but I'll have a look later today and get back to you. Cheers!  — Amakuru (talk) 09:11, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
@Extorc: I have had a look at the pages moved, and everything looks fine. It would have warned you about the redirect, but all of those pages were simply redirects from the Newar form to the Newa form - for example before your move, Newar architecture redirected to Newa architecture. Now it's the reverse. That's fine. In some cases, the target page might be a redirect to some other article, in which case you'll get a slightly different warning saying "The destination page "Horror video game" already exists as a redirect. Do you want to delete it to make way for the move?". As far as I'm aware you would need the "page mover" user right to be able to override that request, where the existing redirect is to a different target. Obviously then it would be worth checking what that target is, and making sure everything is above board. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 18:27, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
Alright. Thanks. I will read up on this more and perhaps look to get the page mover privilege later down the road. >>> Extorc.talk 05:05, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Close a move

Hi, wondering if you could close the move request for Locumba uprising. I'm the nominator but now think it shouldnt be as well as 2 others. This move req is holding up a DYK nom so that's why I would like to close it. You obviously don't have to if you don't want. Thanks PalauanLibertarian🗣️ 23:34, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

@PalauanLibertarian: thanks for the note. I was actually one of the two who voted in that RM, so I can't do a regular close. However, it sounds like you want to withdraw it now, so if you confirm that's definitely the case, you're happy to withdraw the request, then I can close it for you procedurally. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 07:43, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
@PalauanLibertarian: actually, since you also said you no longer support the move in the RM itself, that seems clear. I've gone ahead and closed it as withdrawn for you. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 07:51, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, Appreciate it PalauanLibertarian🗣️ 15:05, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

POTD

I guess that you know that the thyroxin POTD is very similar to a published image. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/anie.201601116. --Smokefoot (talk) 18:20, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

@Smokefoot: no, I had no idea about that. But as far as I can tell, the Commons picture was uploaded in 2011, while the journal article you mention came out in 2016. So it's more likely they're the ones doing the illegal copying (without the necessary attribution), right? And this has never been brought up and Commons, or at the Featured Picture candidacy... Pinging @Mikael Häggström, Bammesk, Crisco 1492, David Eppstein, and MER-C: for a third opinion, who were involved with the FPC and are likely to know more than me about this sort of thing! Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 19:03, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
The image in the journal article appears to have been redrawn. The most obvious explanation would be that the journal article artist used the Wikipedia image as a reference. An alternative explanation was that both images had a common precursor image, perhaps the textbook one referred to as a source by the Wikipedia image, but I do not have access to that image to check. In any case, a publication appearing five years after our image was uploaded is not evidence of a copyright problem on our side, and because the journal image is redrawn it may not be actionable that it does not properly credit ours. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:17, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
  • As per David, an image (or something similar to an image) appearing in print five years after it was published on Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons isn't indicative of a copyright issue on our part. Reuse, with and without attribution, is common for images uploaded to Commons. (That being said, is the image being deemed "very similar" in the full body of the article? The one in the graphical summary doesn't appear to share any concerning similarities).  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 02:00, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
    It's in the body. Same layout, same basic features, different details. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:39, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
    Thanks. I wasn't able to find anything to see the full article for free. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:24, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
    @Crisco 1492: I actually managed to view it for free through WP:The Wikipedia Library, on the Wiley subscription. Not sure if that needs an application to access, but it did work for me. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 19:47, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
    I do remember that programme. Thanks for confirming.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 03:15, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Sorry for joining the conversation late. Indeed, I did not use any similarly appearing image when making this image, apart from what is stated in its image description. So if there is any other image that looks very similar, then it is very likely that they took after this one. However, as I've released the image under a Public Domain, there is nothing illegal about doing so. It might still be regarded as dishonorable to copy or imitate another person's work and make it look like own work, but I personally don't have the motivation to complain to those doing so with my works. Mikael Häggström (talk) 02:59, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Involved editor reverting closure for being NAC

Hi, recently I performed the closure of Yesterday (Beatles song) as Moved because it appeared that most participants argued that this is by-far the primary topic and the rest of the entries don't collectively attract such traffic. That closure was reverted by a participating user stating that this move deals with "high visibility" and hence needs an admin to close instead claiming that the move is "contrary to en.wikipedia guidelines" ~ see the post revert comment in the rm discussion. I am not willing to engage in the RM anymore and have responded to the editor on my talk page regarding the WP:RMNAC issues with his actions.
You and I have just recently engaged in a similar situation where you disagreed with my closing rationale and we were able to sort it in a much more mature way over at Horror game. So can you please look into this issue? >>> Extorc.talk 13:28, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

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Irregular and unmotivated deletion of Marcello Minenna's article

Dear @Amakuru, I kindly request you to please restore the article on Marcello Minenna. I created this article in 2011 and it has been on Wikipedia continuously for more than a decade. Clearly, there was space for improvement: that’s why so many users have made an effort to provide footnotes and useful sources after having realized that the deletion procedure was running. The article met both WP: Author and WP: Professor requirements. Minenna is a highly renowned economist, both in Italy and abroad. His lectures have been attended by thousands of students, and his articles have been read by thousands of readers. These two criteria oriented the latest edits on this article. In fact, there were plenty of footnotes quoting Minenna’s scientific contributions, published in papers or quoted by leading scholars in their respective fields. If you would have evaluated the footnotes in an unbiased way you would certainly agree with me. The decision to delete this page was taken unilaterally, against the opinion of many users that voted to keep the page and were committed to improving it despite the unbased allegations of some users. Olivc75 (talk) 15:13, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

@Olivc75 The decision was far from unilateral. It was a correct reading of consensus. For all the words expended trying to save the article, nobody provided any sources that discuss the subject's life or career in any depth, as opposed to just things written by him. @Amakuru, I actually came here to suggest that it might be a good idea to salt the title given the extensive involvement of single-purpose accounts and the BLP concerns. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:26, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
Dear @Amakuru, @HJ Mitchell, I'm sorry but I really don’t understand: actually I was working on these aspects and, to be honest, before the deletion, there were at least 15 sources discussing Minenna's career and life.
Just to recap a few of them:
1) He was Agenda Contributor at World Economic Forum
- https://www.weforum.org/agenda/authors/marcello-minenna
2) He was interviewed and cited worldwide
- https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/betweenthelines/greece-in-crisis/6584452
-https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/08/business/dealbook/worries-grow-over-euros-fate-as-debts-smolder-in-italy-and-greece.html
- https://www.ft.com/content/837b7864-c40a-4e98-a04f-081faaed4eb8
-https://vimeo.com/328175345
- https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-eurozone-italy-breakupindicators-idUKKBN1JF1MR
3) He is an editorialist for many important newspapers
- https://www.ft.com/content/76b03b18-3e93-11e9-9bee-efab61506f44
- https://argomenti.ilsole24ore.com/marcello-minenna
4) His books are part of the Library Catalog of several universities, such as the University of Chicago
- https://catalog.lib.uchicago.edu/vufind/Record/6377080
I was working to improve the page, actually by finding the support of other users in the same direction.
I really hope that you will restore the page in order to clean it up and improve it. Olivc75 (talk) 16:32, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
@HJ Mitchell, Hi, I am a Ph.D. student and I read all the editorials written by Prof. Minenna. I'm a longtime follower of his. Minenna is a regular host in all the most important Italian broadcasts. His column on the Sole 24 Ore's first page is one of the most popular among its readers (The Sole 24 Ore is the most important Italian newspaper about economy and finance). I was having fun trying to fix the page and the work done so far didn't look bad at all. All this work, just to be unjustly labelled as a Single-Purpose account... Is it possible to restore this article? No warning was given. If I would have known the outcome, I would have helped out more. BlackjackAK (talk) 17:15, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
I have studied QFinance on the book of Prof. Minenna. His books are quite consulted on several specialised blog such as https://quant.stackexchange.com/questions/17655/where-to-find-pricing-formulas-for-affine-stochastic-volatility-jump-diffusion-m. Actually I tried to contribute to the article before the deletion and I have been also accused of being a SPA; but just by having a look at my edits is it possible to know that this is not the case. I believe that it is a wise option to restore the article and allow us users to fix whatever issue might have affected it, in a 3 or 4 weeks timeframe. Geco23 (talk) 13:28, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
@Amakuru I completely disagree with the deletion of Prof. Marcello Minenna's page. He is one of the most important Italian economists. Moreover, the page showed important research activities carried out by Minenna, such as his career as a university professor, as a columnist for international and Italian newspapers, and as Director of customs, Assessor of Rome Capitale, and of the Calabria Region. I’m sure that the Wiki criteria surely have been met. This is a humble request from a user that has been working on the page for a while. Otherwise I'll assume you are on the side of those users that lately vandalized a page that has been on WP since 2011. Please restore the article! Real Eagle444 (talk) 14:15, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
I'm curious why so many different users, several with not many edits under their belt, are coming here to talk to me about this deletion. As Harry says above, the consensus was fairly clear at the AFD, and the lack of sufficient sourcing to establish WP:GNG means this shouldn't have been a controversial one really. Also, "I'll assume you are on the side of those users that lately vandalized a page that has been on WP since 2011" is hardly the sort of collegiate tone that I would expect in on-Wiki discussions... Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 18:00, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
I understand I might have sounded harsh. I want to make myself clear. Minenna’s article has been subject to vandalic acts, and this has been verified by Wiki administrators. This article is on Wiki since 2011 and it would still be there if it wasn’t for malicious and vandalic acts directed to worsen the quality of references and information. @Amakuru, which one of the dozens of references and sources which I and other users have provided recently does not support the FACT that Marcello Minenna’s profile fully meets WP:AUTHOR, WP:PROFESSOR, and WP:GNG guidelines? Every rational person would agree that Minenna’s contributions (over 100 scientific papers and books) on Econometrics, Mathematical Finance, and his other fields of expertise meet WP: AUTHOR and WP:PROFESSOR criteria and therefore Minenna is eligible to have his own article on WP for his academic profile. But that’s not all: for his activity as a Civil Servant, having been appointed head of vital public offices during his career, Minenna unwillingly gained notoriety and became a public figure: therefore General Notability Guideline has been met as well! To support this, even his deletion from Italian Wikipedia has been the subject of an Italian article published on April 24th, titled “Minenna kicked out from Wikipedia”! The article was part of a smear campaign conducted by the same users who vandalized the page. So, not only Minenna should be on WP for his contributions as an Economist, as a Civil Servant, an Editorialist, a Professor, etc. but also for possessing a general notability. I also agree with you when you write that we all are young users. This is because the Minenna/Wikipedia theme in Italy has become a media event that has prompted many of his ex-students to take action on Wikipedia. And this shouldn’t surprise you.
As an administrator of Wikipedia, you are called to safeguard this space of information and knowledge. Instead, you proceeded to delete the page without a second thought, preventing users from improving the article and therefore, in practice, facilitating the vandals’ campaign. What kind of deletion procedure has been respected? You say ‘Consensus was fairly clear at the AFD’. When exactly the voting procedures started? And when they ended? How many voters were necessary to take such an important decision? It looked like the votes in favor of the deletion were LESS than those in favor of keeping the article on Wikipedia. Real Eagle444 (talk) 10:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

June songs

June songs
my story today

I like today's Main page, and here's why ;) - (DYK that we got filmed when performing the piece mentioned?) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:53, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Gerda Arendt:. Lovely view and songs. And just to respond to a few of your recent posts -
  • It was very nice to have the 2018 EFL League Two play-off final on TFA on Sunday, although I almost missed it - I'd forgotten it was scheduled until the evening! Had a bit of time to enjoy it though. It was almost another success for the team in the 2023 EFL Championship play-off final this year, but wasn't quite to be. I suppose I'll have to write the article up to FA standard at some point, although it's still a bit too disappointing!
  • Definitely not the result we wanted re TRM... the recent ITN thing seems a really minor issue for people get in a twist about, but it seems people really wanted to enact something to satisfy past grievances. TRM was banned from DYK for many years before coming out at the other end and making some good contributions, so perhaps the same thing here although honestly ITN is so dysfunctional I'm not sure it's a great loss for him.
  • Nice main page coverage for you, and lovely singing on YouTube too
  • I discovered another new spot recently - Petts Wood and the neighbouring Hawkwood Estate, it's not too far, still within the London urban area, but you can really think it's open countryside:
     
Thanks, and enjoy your weekend.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:35, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
I did, class reunion a funny number of years after completing school, and the lovely park where I spent many Sundays as a child. Today's story is quite dramatic, there's a yt trailer to the hook. - Your pics are lovely, and thanks for the reflections! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:47, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
11 June or: Music not only by Bach --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:04, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
Jörg Widmann is 50 today, and I began Stockholm pics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:51, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
Today's story is about a singer whom I saw twice, not Wagner and Strauss, but Bach and Weill - more vacation pics! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:01, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Today, the story is ten years old, the Main page had three great people who recently died, and I invite you to look at two videos around concerts I heard, in the short one actually seen in the background at the end. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: Thanks for the update! And the previous ones concerning your class reunion and Jörg Widmann. That sounds really fantastic. And The Company of Heaven ten years ago, were you singing then? I have been camping in the North Downs for two weekends in a row, for differing reasons... I think I've mentioned it before, but it's really not far from where I live and also very beautiful!  — Amakuru (talk) 09:49, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
   
Thunderstorms in the distance on the
North Downs Way near Hawley's Corner 		A public footpath in the same area
Lovely, thank you! 10 years ago, the Company of Heaven was on DYK, - we sang it in 2001. Today: a woman caught by the iron curtain (improved with SusunW and GRuban), yesterday: the Mass in B minor, heard in concert then, now three musical videos are out, and the rest of the vacation pics is there. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:36, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

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Well spotted. I used the remove all requests button and that's what it produced. Dr. Vogel (talk) 10:38, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

All sorted. I've changed the behaviour of the button. Dr. Vogel (talk) 10:47, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
@Dr. Vogel: thanks!  — Amakuru (talk) 11:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2023).

Guideline and policy news

  • Following an RfC, editors indefinitely site-banned by community consensus will now have all rights, including sysop, removed.
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Arbitration

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Childish

I misread that edit as changing EU-UK to UK-EU. Which would have been childish if that had been what happened. A cock-up, not a conspiracy. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

And even more to the point, I described the edit as "childish", not the editor. There was no personal attack. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:23, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
@John Maynard Friedman: ha, thanks for the explanation well that explains it then and understandable mistake on the content front. But even so I'd still call it a personal attack - an edit being labelled "childish" is clearly an indirect reflection on the editor who made it IMHO. I personally wouldn't like my good-faith edits to be labelled that way, and I doubt you would either. Let's just stick to assuming good faith and using edit summaries for factual comments rather than using labels, eh...?  — Amakuru (talk) 16:35, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

June 2023

Hello Amakuru. I noticed you restored an earlier version on the Alberto Giacometti page, but you didn't specify which earlier version. Please consider detailing either the date or the revision ID when you revert to an earlier version, to facilitate understanding of how much of an article's history was undone. Thank you, CapnZapp (talk) 09:18, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Request for POTD nomination

Hi! I would like to nominate File:Incense_in_Vietnam.jpg for Featured Picture but am unable to do so myself as I am not an administrator. I would be very happy if you or any other administrator reading this could do so for me. The reason to be written in the nomination would be "FPC on Commons where it was featured unanimously". Articles in which the image appears would be "Incense", creator would be 'Vietsui' (Note: He/she does not have a user page on Wikipedia or Commons) and category for the image would be 'Other'. Thanks!! Aviafanboi (talk) 13:23, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

@Aviafanboi: done - I agree with you it's a good image and has encyclopedic value, but let's see what the others say. I haven't nominated too many featured pics myself, so don't have huge experience in that side of things! Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 20:08, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Coventry ring road scheduled for TFA

This is to let you know that the Coventry ring road article has been scheduled as today's featured article for July 23, 2023. Please check the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page blurb, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/July 23, 2023, but note that a coordinator will trim the lead to around 1000 characters anyway, so you aren't obliged to do so. If you wish to make comments on other matters concerning the scheduling of this article, you can do so at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/July 2023.

I suggest that you watchlist Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors from the day before this appears on Main Page. Thanks and congratulations Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:21, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

@Jimfbleak: thanks, although per our discussion in December, I had been thinking of holding this one back until 19 September 2024. Not sure if there are preliminary steps I need to take to start that process? Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 17:23, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
No problem, @Wehwalt and Gog the Mild: so they are aware of this. And it has a blurb now Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:40, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Incense in Vietnam
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
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Shropshire and its councils

Hello! Thanks for letting me know about the issue with merging the two Shropshire council articles. I only reverted your edit to make it easier for me to redo the merge properly, so please don't take it as a sign of disagreement — I appreciate the help. A.D.Hope (talk) 17:05, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@A.D.Hope: OK thank you for letting me know. And sorry if I offended you with the revert earlier, it just seemed odd to merge from the article with most of the history. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 17:37, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Oh, you didn't offend me at all! I had made a mistake with the merge, and I appreciated you pointing it out :) A.D.Hope (talk) 17:44, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

The Core Contest winners announced

The winners of the 2023 The Core Contest are announced 🎉. We had an amazing set of improvements this year, and the judges (Femke, Aza24 and Casliber) would like to thank everybody who joined and congratulate the winners.

  • First place goes to Buidhe for improving The Holocaust; very core, highly relevant; their work on bringing geographical balance to the article puts the topic in a whole different light. We also commend improvements to sourcing and prose
  • A close second place goes to Phlsph7 for improving Education from an unstructured jumble into a well-sourced piece of instruction
  • Third prize goes to Johnbod for improving Donatello, a near five-fold expansion with great sourcing and fantastic imagery
  • A tie for fourth place goes to Thebiguglyalien for improving Crime, for a strong improvement in sourcing
  • A tie for fifth place goes to Sammielh for International law, improved by converting contextless listicles into a proper sourced prose

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Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Press release on English Wikipedia hitting milestone 1 million articles

Hello, Amakuru,

I think there is one too many "Wikipedia"s in this page title but I'm reluctant to move an article that you fully protected. "Wikipedia:Press release on English Wikipedia hitting milestone 1 million articles" seems like a more logical page title. Thanks for considering the change. Liz Read! Talk! 01:52, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@Liz: thanks for the note... actually the decision to fully protect it wasn't mine, it dates back to when the page was published and I simply kept the same protection in place when I moved it. Presumably, being a Wikimedia press release, set in stone at that time, there's no reason why anyone should be changing it; although equally, it's not really a high-risk page at this point in time!  — Amakuru (talk) 09:28, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Featured picture nomination

Hi! I found another picture on Commons that I would like to nominate to Featured Picture. If any administrator sees this, please nominate on behalf of me.

Image: File:Гора Стримба взимку.jpg

Catgory on FP page: Wikipedia:Featured_pictures/Places/Landscapes

Reason for nomination: Whatever you think is appropriate.

Creator: Ryzhkov Sergey

Thanks!! Aviafanboi (talk) 14:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@Aviafanboi: - from what was said in the last discussion, I think you can just nominate this yourself now, as you have more than 100 edits to your name. There's no need to wait for an administrator to do so! Happy to help with the technical stuff if you're not sure how it works. Don't forget you'll also need to give a reason why the "encyclopedic value" criterion is satisfied, with a link to an article where the image is used and why it illustrates that article. I see that the image is used in the gallery at Synevyr National Nature Park so I suppose it would be that article... Might be worth adding some more context there, so that voters at the FPC know why you've selected it. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 09:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
As I have no idea how to do it myself, could you give a detailed explanation on the process. It would really help as I just visited the various pages myself and did not understand much. Aviafanboi (talk) 13:31, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

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July music

July songs
my story today

My story today pictures a friend whose birthday is today ;) - we listened to music she helped publishing - at a fancy place (which looked different when Bach played there). -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:16, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Finally: June pictures updated, with three great concerts! - My story today is very personal: the DYK appeared on Wikipedia's 15th birthday, and describes a concert I sang. I was requested to translate the bio into German for a memorial concert ... - see background, and we talked about life and death. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:24, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Fireworks on the Rhine pictured on 1 July, but the real stars were sun and moon. I love today's story especially. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:46, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

On today's Main page, you can find a cantata that Bach first performed 300 years ago, and an iconic saxophonist from East Germany. Also: a bit about the history of QAI on my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:25, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

While today's DYK highlights Santiago on his day, I did my modest share with my story today, describing what I just experienced, pictured. I began the article of the woman in green. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:03, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Today I remember Jahrhundertring, and I'm listening to Götterdämmerung from the Bayreuth Festival, close to the scene pictured, - the image (of a woman who can't believe what she has to see) features also on the article talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:49, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Seroma (company) for deletion

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FC moves

You recently moved F.C. Südtirol to FC Südtirol, citing standard practice. I just came across a speedy deletion request at Category:F.C. Südtirol which I declined, but I think was actually meant to be a request to rename the category. Should the related categories also be renamed? (Courtesy ping Wikipediæ philosophia) Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:41, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

@Ivanvector, they all should. Wikipediæ philosophia (talk) 18:55, 7 July 2023
@Ivanvector and Wikipediæ philosophia: yes, it would be good to move the categories too. We had consensus at RM to move AC Milan a few weeks ago, and other Italian clubs followed from that, without any objections so far. I think Hey man im josh has been working on getting speedy moves for quite a few of the related categories this week as well. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 20:34, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
I've got the rest of the categories affected by the moves bookmarked to take care of and I'll keep chipping away it. It won't be long until they're all taken care of. Hey man im josh (talk) 23:08, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

WikiCup 2023 July newsletter

The third round of the 2023 WikiCup has come to an end. The 16 users who made it to the fourth round had at least 175 points. Our top scorers in round 3 were:

Contestants achieved 11 featured articles, 2 featured lists, 47 good articles, 72 featured or good article reviews, over 100 DYKs and 40 ITN appearances. As always, any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Please also remember that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them. When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met. Please also remember that all submissions must meet core Wikipedia policies, regardless of the review process.

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1998 FIFA World Cup final scheduled for TFA

This is to let you know that the above article has been scheduled as today's featured article for 25 August 2023. Please check that the article needs no amendments. Feel free to amend the draft blurb, which can be found at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/August 25, 2023, or to make comments on other matters concerning the scheduling of this article at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/August 2023. I suggest that you watchlist Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors from the day before this appears on Main Page. Thanks and congratulations on your work. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:29, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you today for the article "about the 1998 edition of the World's most important football (soccer) match, the FIFA World Cup Final. It featured the host nation, France, in their first final, against the previous champions Brazil. The pre-match headlines were dominated by the initial omission of Brazil's star player Ronaldo, only for him to later end up playing... but as a shadow of his usual self. Several conspiracy theories later emerged, but it remains something of a mystery to this day."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:43, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

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@Theleekycauldron: I'm really sorry, I did see the email, I just haven't had time to reply yet. Will do so tomorrow hopefully! All the best  — Amakuru (talk) 22:39, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
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Renaming templates

Hello, I noticed that you moved Template:US Catanzaro 1929 without updating its contents. It is particularly important to update the name= parameter in navigation templates, to match the current page name, otherwise the "V•T•E" links at the top left are left linking to the old page. – Fayenatic London 08:22, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

@Fayenatic london: ooh, thanks for letting me know. I hadn't considered that aspect of the matter. I've just gone through and fixed up all the other templates that I moved last week for other clubs, around 66 in all, so hopefully that resolves the issue. I'll consider this if I'm ever doing something similar again! Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 19:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

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Higher education in Libya

Hi, I see you accepted a RM/T request to publish Higher education in Libya from draft. Should it go through new pages patrol or have you done equivalent checks? One thing I noticed is that the lead is referenced to a 2011 Gaddafi era study. TSventon (talk) 14:51, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

@TSventon: hi yes, I would put it through a NPP, I mainly accepted it because it was created by an autoconfirmed user who would otherwise have been able to create the page themselves, only that it was blocked by a redirect. I've gone back and marked it as unreviewed, I'll also look to do this with other non-established users in future. Hope this is OK. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 19:34, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
Thank you, that would make sense. I was only watching RM/TR because I had added a couple of requests recently and I am grateful to you and the other admins who help out there. TSventon (talk) 08:33, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Perfected spelling

Hello Amakuru, I see you moved the page to Enhanced Spelling of the Indonesian Language; the literal meaning and most common translation in English seem to be Perfected Spelling. (see Talk:Enhanced_Spelling_of_the_Indonesian_Language#Enhanced,_Perfected,_Improved?) It's the one Sneddon uses in his history of Indonesian, as in a number of other English-language reference works. I don't seem to be able to undo it but it should probably be discussed/evaluated somewhere. I brought it to the attention of WikiProject Indonesia. Dan Carkner (talk) 17:40, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

I got a reply over at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indonesia#Enhanced_Spelling_of_the_Indonesian_Language that gave me more context for what happened. thanks Dan Carkner (talk) 18:50, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

POTD Script

Per your ping, I added a sanity check to the POTD script so that it won't apply |tall=yes to images with an aspect ratio shorter than 2:3 or apply |wide=yes to images with an aspect ratio narrower than 3:2. The previous checks were just based on absolute size, not aspect ratio. There probably needs to be a discussion on Talk:Main Page at some point about how large we want the POTD to be, as many of the images being submitted as significantly larger than the guidelines. --Ahecht (TALK
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@Ahecht: thanks for that. I don't think there is ever a reason to have "tall=yes" set, myself. It seems to cause a lot of issues with the rendering, and it's not as if the main page is particularly restricted in terms of height. And as for the "guidelines", those haven't been followed for years. The decision about whether to make the picture large or not is based on the level of detail in the image and optimal rendering, not on some arbitrary numbers plucked out of the air 16 years ago. I do agree about ambigram, there's no need for that to be as large as it was, and I've adjusted a couple of others down a bit too, but for some cases you can't really see the full detail of the picture at a low resolution. And with a fixed width now being applied for Vector2022, there's little reason not to make use of the space we have to ensure the FP is there in its full detail. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 08:49, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

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Other British monarch requested move discussions currently taking place

Since you recently participated in the Charles III requested move discussion, I thought you might like to know that there are two other discussions currently going on about other British monarch article titles here and here. Cheers. Rreagan007 (talk) 22:20, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Concerned about Article quality

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As a dedicated Wikipedia reader, I am concerned about the quality and objectivity of one article. Unfortunately, I have found that the article , "Dadvan Yousuf" does not meet the standards of balanced reporting and has a potential bias.

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August music

August songs
my story today

Today's music is played by my brother's orchestra, conducted by two very young men on their way up, - the picture was taken shortly after the invasion of Ukraine began, - more detail on my talk. Images reached the day of the Tenebrae concert mentioned in July. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:20, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

My story today - a first - isn't about an article by me, but one I reviewed for DYK, see here. I like all: topic, "hook", connected article (a GA on its way towards FA), image and the music "in the background". I just returned from a weekend of weddings, so also like the spirit ;) - besides having listened to The Firebird with one of the bridegrooms in the orchestra. Pics to come, I promise one cake, the other was too large! Good music, and better even in the concert ending the second day, - Goldberg Variations theme for an encore, after Dohnányi Serenade. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:02, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Again not by me: today's story - with the triumph of music over military - is uplifting! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:16, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Now: picture of heart-shaped cake(s) uploaded! - Today's story is about a tenor, - why his roles are not linked on the Main page remains a mystery to me. Today is also the birthday of the Bayreuth Festival. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

One more day uploaded, with another wedding cake - I couldn't resist. Today's story is about the Inkpot Madonna who returned to "her place" 9 years ago, and also has aspects of early learning, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:20, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Today is the anniversary of the premiere of Götterdämmerung. Berit Lindholm sang its final scene in concert at the Royal Festival Hall in London, only four years after her stage debut in a Mozart opera in Stockholm. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:19, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Today is Debussy's birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:26, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Today is Gwendolyn Killebrew's birthday, - pictured: a spider and sweet food --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:12, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

This too shall pass. - Ten years ago on 28 August, I heard a symphony, with a heavy heart because of the pending decision in WP:ARBINFOBOX, and not worried about my future here but Andy's. - It passed, and I could write the DYK about calling to dance, not battle, and Andy could write the DYK mentioning about peace and reconciliation, - look. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:59, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Closing August: I am proud of expanding Berit Lindholm, but not of the hook for her, and I like Alma Mahler on the Main page today after I just heard some of her songs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: thanks! I've been in Croatia recently - pics to follow. Happy new month to you!  — Amakuru (talk) 22:09, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

"SoundCloud rap" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect SoundCloud rap has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 3 § SoundCloud rap until a consensus is reached. मल्ल (talk) 20:59, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Stop please

Please do not do merges of the fat articles until you consult experts, e.g. at the chemistry project. Fatty acids and fats are distinct materials. --Smokefoot (talk) 21:00, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

@Smokefoot: I did not do that merge. Someone else did the merge, earlier this year. Please see the page histories. If you want to back it out and go back to having polyunsaturated fat and polyunsaturated fatty acid as distinct separate pages, then we can do that, this would be reverting to the prior status quo. However, my move was simply to restore the bulk of the page to its long-term stable title per WP:COMMONNAME.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:03, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
Hey, undo those actions. These topics might look the same to people but to technical folk, these are distinct concepts. --Smokefoot (talk) 21:12, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

August 2023

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@Liz: what have I done wrong? I reverted on request from another user, but the discussion is now ongoing at Talk:Polyunsaturated fat, the discussion is ongoing. I thought that's the correct course of action in a dispute. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 07:43, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Al-Fateh Revolution

It feels like you're being a little heavy-handed here in countermanding the approved technical request without any prior discussion, even with @UtherSRG. Evidently you have a perspective on the evidence that contrasts with what I and UtherSRG found, but you've reverted it (the technical move request) as if it were no more than an impetuous bold revert move performed without a glance at the evidence. On the contrary, the evidence was carefully considered and weighed. As I said: "The page should move to the WP:COMMONNAME title in scholarly literature, and away from the descriptive title that has been bestowed upon it editorially and which may be clear but holds little water in the sources - see Google Scholar results for Al-Fateh Revolution and 1969 Libyan coup d'état, respectively." It is the existing title that by far experiences the greater paucity of sources, especially when excluding the litany of Wikipedia references and mirrors. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:49, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

@Iskandar323: can you stop throwing off-topic insults around please? It's really quite insulting and not the collegiate spirit that is expected on Wikipedia. FYI I am neither "heavy-handed" nor "impetuous". Reverting an undiscussed bold move is both permitted and commonly done - please see WP:RMUM - "If you disagree with such a move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move.". Since this is a controversial move, the onus is on you to make the case in a WP:RM discussion, rather than throwing insults at me and casting WP:ASPERSIONS in this fashion. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 14:56, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
"Heavy-handed" was a reference to your actions in this instance, not a personal slight, and impetuous referred to the move (in the hypothetical sense), but I made a typo - now fixed. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:13, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
@Iskandar323: I actually agree with Amakuru here. While I did do my own independent searches to confirm the proposed title to be more common, that doesn't rule out whether it is or isn't controversial - it only removes one avenue of controversy. Please open a formal discussion if you still wish to have the article moved. Arguing in the manner you have done above does not help your cause at all. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:23, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
Ok, noted. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:25, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
@Amakuru: Apologies for this the other day, and what was in fact a heavy-handed approach on my part, not anyone else's. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:13, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
@Iskandar323: thanks, and no worries! I'm glad we're having a robust discussion on the issue itself now at the RM. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 09:48, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Looked at your user page to see if you have a pronunciation guide for your username. Saw the history of your account there and the meaning of the word, but not a pronunciation. AHmuhKOOroo? AhMAHkooroo? My curiosity is engaged! - UtherSRG (talk) 15:31, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

@UtherSRG: ah, good question! As a foreigner, I probably don't have the expert's view on how to pronounce the word - generally I'd say it as "ama" (with two short a sounds similar to how a British person would say man or bat) and then "kuru" roughly like cuckoo, except with an r instead of a k sound... The only thing is, the r sound in Kinyarwanda isn't the same as any r sound we make in English as far as I know. There's more tongue involved. Anyway, if you go to this website here: [2] you can hear how the word is supposed to be pronounced by a native, which is probably better than any suggestion I might have! Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 16:41, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
Cheers and thanks! - UtherSRG (talk) 16:51, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

District

Moved discussion to Talk:Middleton, Milton Keynes which is a better venue for a general-purpose discussion.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:42, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The word "district" is not really confusing or ambiguous. In most of the world it is a neighborhood or similar. It just happens that some UK local government areas are called "District". There are none such in Bucks any more.

Conversely, the word "area" is rather meaningless. It has a precise geometric definition or a very vague handwaving gesture for something undefined: Middleton has very definite boundaries.

So I am reverting your edit to Middleton. If you disagree, please open a WP:BRD. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:02, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

@JMF:. Thanks for your message. What I would ask you then, is whether the term "district" is one used either in an official context, or indeed in a significant number of sources, do describe this location. If there are, then fine - we can declare that there's a common usage to that term that makes it appropriate for the Milton Keynes setting. However, if this is just intended to be a general word to describe areas or suburbs of the city, then the term district should be avoided for that. This has been discussed over the years in a List of areas of London context, noting that that page stopped using the term "district" in 2012, for precisely the same reason. In England, a district means a local-government district, so even if it can refer to suburbs, it's best to avoid doing so to ensure readers aren't confused. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 16:12, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
This boils down to "District" v. "district". The former, at least in England is an area (sic!) controlled by its own local authority; the latter is a WP:common name for a well-defined large neighborhood (suburb perhaps but the districts of MK are definitely not suburbs). If the article where the word is used is a local authority, that will be immediately obvious – infobox, politics, etc. If not, then the common sense interpretation is valid. Compare Central Business District, Garment District (disambiguation), even Lake District.
We could use the local term "grid square" but few outsiders would understand! 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:30, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
@JMF: thanks, but what I'm sensing from your answer is that these aren't commonly called districts. If they aren't, then I just don't think there's any case for Wikipedia to use that term to denote them. It may sometimes refer to arbitrary delineations as you suggest, but given the potential for confusion, and the fact that sources simply don't use this term, it is not fair on our readers for us to do so. You say the term isn't applied to Milton Keynes, but if we look at List of English districts by population we can see that Milton Keynes is actually given as one of them. While Middleton isn't. So yes, we can think about other terms - suburb or area is all fine, but if it's a formal delineated unit then it must have an actual name we can use. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 17:35, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
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POTD/Unused

I just wanted to thank you and Adam for your efforts to update the POTD/Unused page. It does a much better job of presenting the various levels of "unusable" than the version we had previously.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:32, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Sorry I've been so unhelpful of late: Still reeling from my father's death. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.5% of all FPs. 19:11, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry to hear that, Adam. My condolences.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:35, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
    @Adam Cuerden: I'm very sorry to hear about your loss. Condolences to you and yours, it puts Wikipedia matters into perspective certainly.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:42, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Netball

Hi there, I was just about to reply to your comment when you self-reverted. Let me thus comment here:

  • First up, I absolutely do not mind others querying my decisions. Don't ever feel you are causing a fuss when you want to put something to me.
  • As long as the discussion was at the ITN nom page, there was indeed no consensus. However, most of the opposes dealt with the article not being ready because of referencing. Those issues did get addressed after the item got archived, hence my reading was that there was consensus eventually.
  • There is a single sentence that deals with the final and had I noticed that, I would not have posted the item. Sorry for that. I'd be happy to pull it if you think that's the right thing to do.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia:Press release on English Wikipedia hitting milestone 1 million articles

A tag has been placed on Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia:Press release on English Wikipedia hitting milestone 1 million articles requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

G6. No incoming links, obviously created at the wrong title. WP-space page is fullprot, so I'm requesting at talk.

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Change in article title

Hello! I saw you undid the recent title change for INBAR. I would like to kindly request that you please revert the name back to "International Bamboo and Rattan Organization" with a "z" rather than with an "s". This is INBAR's official name as of 2022 which is reflected across the website, letterhead, and updated logos, though there may still be some outdated ones in circulation in some corners of the internet. As a historical note, INBAR's original name was "International Network for Bamboo and Rattan" which changed to "International Bamboo and Rattan Organisation" with an "s" in 2017 per the wishes of then then-Director General Hans Friederich. In 2022, new leadership decided to adopt American spelling standards over British, leading to the "s" changing to a "z". Thanks in advance! AgsmithINBAR (talk) 02:01, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

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POTD Christmas Eve

Suggesting File:Adoration of the Shepherds, Murillo (Prado Museum).jpg for Christmas eve. I made the nomination keeping that in mind. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 16:58, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Murder in X

What you you make of the likes of Murder in Texas and Murder in Mississippi now that we have articles on the generic meaning? With the Mississippi one the argument the film is primary is moot due to the painting so there would probably need to be a DAB there even ignoring the generic meaning. In terms of the 2020 arguments I guess the argument can be made that the film is likely primary partly due to the absence of other "Murder in X" articles or redirects but that argument is probably weak per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS especially given the search box takes the reader to search results rather than a somewhat surprising article about a film. The essay I created at Wikipedia:Redirect, DAB entry or hatnote needed#Redirects v search discusses this. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:58, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

@Crouch, Swale hello SIR/MAAM 2603:8000:1D00:ED00:3132:6BB9:DF43:9532 (talk) 05:02, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

WikiCup 2023 September newsletter

The fourth round of the competition has finished, with anyone scoring less than 673 points being eliminated. It was a high scoring round with all but one of the contestants who progressed to the final having achieved an FA during the round. The highest scorers were

  • New York (state) Epicgenius, with 2173 points topping the scores, gained mainly from a featured article, 38 good articles and 9 DYKs. He was followed by
  • Sammi Brie, with 1575 points, gained mainly from a featured article, 28 good articles and 50 good article reviews. Close behind was
  • Thebiguglyalien, with 1535 points mainly gained from a featured article, 15 good articles, 26 good article reviews and lots of bonus points.

Between them during round 4, contestants achieved 12 featured articles, 3 featured lists, 3 featured pictures, 126 good articles, 46 DYK entries, 14 ITN entries, 67 featured article candidate reviews and 147 good article reviews. Congratulations to our eight finalists and all who participated! It was a generally high-scoring and productive round and I think we can expect a highly competitive finish to the competition.

Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 4 but before the start of round 5 can be claimed in round 5. Remember too that you must claim your points within 10 days of "earning" them and within 24 hours of the end of the final. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. It would be helpful if this list could be cleared of any items no longer relevant. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send.

I will be standing down as a judge after the end of the contest. I think the Cup encourages productive editors to improve their contributions to Wikipedia and I hope that someone else will step up to take over the running of the Cup. Sturmvogel 66 (talk), and Cwmhiraeth (talk)

Why did you revert this move?

@Amakuru: Popular (The Weeknd, Playboi Carti and Madonna song), you reverted the move as you said all three artists receive equal credit. I have got a source that proves otherwise and can provide more if needed. Playboi Carti is a featured artist as per streaming services and chart credits, so his name does not go in the disambiguator. Source: https://music.apple.com/us/album/popular-feat-playboi-carti-music-from-the-hbo/1691920669 2607:FB91:991:E51A:3D14:B100:191F:CE30 (talk) 13:12, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

"this stands no chance of being posted"

please explain why soibangla (talk) 21:41, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

@Soibangla: as you'll see from WP:ITN, candidate stories are assessed for "significance" before they're posted. Unfortunately, as you'll see on that page, there aren't really any hard-and-fast rules as to what constitutes such significance, it mostly comes down to how impactful individual editors think it is. It looks like you're new to the ITN project, and welcome, but I can tell you as someone who's been contributing to that project for many years now, the story in question is definitely below the sort of bar we would consider. It's hard to even define why, but the rationales for the opposes should give you some idea as to why this isn't really considered an impactful enough story. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 21:50, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
with due respect to your ITN experience, I don't find your reasoning persuasive and I'd like to have the nomination remain for 24 hours such that others have a chance to examine it. I consider the nomination topic to be a very significant matter. I do not believe it warrants a SNOW close. Cheers. soibangla (talk) 21:55, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
@Soibangla: well, for better or worse, that's not how ITN works. If an experienced editor determines that there's no value in continuing the nomination, then they close it. That's well-established procedure. And keeping this nom open for 24 hours will not make any difference, you'll just find 20 opposes instead of the current 5. If you are unsure about any of this, or you don't believe me, feel free to post a query at the talk page WT:ITN, but I don't think there's anything out of the ordinary here. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 22:00, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
an experienced editor should present a specific and compelling rationale for a SNOW close rather than merely dismissing it as that's just the way it works here. seems a bit WP:IDONTLIKEIT to me. that's all I got here. soibangla (talk) 22:04, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

September 2023

Information icon Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Talk:Cristiano Ronaldo Jr.. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Jclemens (talk) 01:12, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Whoops... I'm a little sorry about the WP:DTTR slight, but I do not remember you being an admin. Allow me to modify the message a bit: if you don't understand why your edit was not only wrong, but unreasonably incorrect, please resign your administrator bit. An apology would be much preferable. Jclemens (talk) 01:16, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
@Jclemens: what a ridiculous overreaction and breach of WP:AGF. I reverted your edit to a longstanding message on a talk page, which simply reflected the way the AFD was closed. It literally says "Redirected" on the AFD, and the article was redirected, at least at first. That was the outcome. I'm not saying it's permitted by process for people to close their own AFDs, but that's what happened and nobody challenged it until now. And your fiddling with the outcome at the article's talk page is simply going to muddy the waters further. And now you've reverted me to reinstate your disputed edit and come here throwing accusations around at me? I'm baffled what's going on, frankly. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 07:18, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

September music

September songs
my story today

Our festival's last concert was most moving and inspiring, - also the story of Walter Arlen, - today I'm proud that I survived the decision in WP:ARBINFOBOX for 10 years, standing and singing -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Today's story is about a great pianist with an unusual career, taking off when he was 50. It's the wedding anniversary of Clara and Robert Schumann, but I was too late with our gift. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:29, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Did you meet Raymond Arritt, another of my "heroes" here? - He still helps me, five years after he died, per what he said in my darkest time on Wikipedia (placed in my edit-notice as a reminder), and by teh rulez. - Latest pics from a weekend in Berlin (one more day to come). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:13, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

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Article title

Hello Amakuru. Thanks for helping with the new article. As it was created just today, there isn't really an established title by the community so shouldn't it reflect to what WP:RS state? The title of "2023 Nagorno-Karabakh Attack" or "2023 Nagorno-Karabakh Offensive" is more than NPOV, please see my comment on talk highlighting the several WP:RS that admit Azeris are aggressors [3]. As you said yourself, if there are disagreements, this can be changed via a requested RM and community consensus, but currently, there is no consensus, so shouldn't it be closer to a title reflecting what WP:RS state? Thank you, and I'd appreciate it if you could move the article back to "attack" or "offensive" per WP:RS. - Kevo327 (talk) 15:31, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Kevo327: and thanks for your note. Regarding what to do if there hasn't been a long-term stable version, the policy on WP:TITLECHANGES says that "If it has never been stable, or it has been unstable for a long time, and no consensus can be reached on what the title should be, default to the title the article had when the first major contribution after the article ceased to be a stub was made." As you'll see from the history, the article has had the following titles since inception:

So given the instability and failure to agree a title so far, it should remain at 2023 Nagorno-Karabakh clashes. I can see the sources you mention, but there are also others describing it as clashes, and it's necessary to establish what the balance of sources call it in order to reach a decision via WP:RM discussion. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 15:58, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I'd say that majority of WP:RS state it's an attack and state Azerbaijan as the aggressor, I'm not sure what other sources you're talking about as the only comment bringing up multiple sources and showing it on talk was mine [6]. Clashes is clearly a minority term in causal Google search, not used by the actual majority sources, which is against the article naming policy. Most sources use attack or military operation. And it’s not some no name, lost in time clashes, this massive attack has started in September unlike some exchange of shooting earlier in 2023. I'd appreciate it if you could change the title back to "2023 Nagorno-Karabakh attack" at least, per most WP:RS, since there isn't even consensus for current title and it isn't the common one by a large margin. - Kevo327 (talk) 17:23, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Carpenters

There is widespread consensus that the Band is called "Carpenters" (just not on Wikipedia, which has had two RM discusison with very few participants and no actual evidence other than, that's what I remember them being called, like "The Beatles". However, there is reliable source evidence for the contrary. For example, Karen's obituary in the New York Times from the 80s the band was properly referred to as "Carpenters" and when referencing the Carpenters, "the" was in lowercase as it was not part of the band's name. There is justification for the move here: Talk:The Carpenters#Resurecting THE move and it is inappropriate for you to undo the moves I did just in the name of stating that it is the common name with no evidence that is true. I request that you confirm so that I can move them back without opposition. I understand that the band's actual wikipedia page needs to go through RM again, but these album pages do not. --Trödel 17:47, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move discussion

There is currently a Request Move discussion about William IV. Since you participated in the previous move discussion involving William IV, I thought you might want to know about this one. Cheers. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:19, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Move review for List of spaghetti Westerns

I have asked for a Move review of List of spaghetti Westerns. Because you were involved in the discussion, you might want to participate in the move review. --В²C ☎ 04:32, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

"Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Press release on English Wikipedia hitting milestone 1 million articles" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Press release on English Wikipedia hitting milestone 1 million articles has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 29 § Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Press release on English Wikipedia hitting milestone 1 million articles until a consensus is reached. NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 12:16, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

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