User talk:Gerda Arendt/2014

Did you know ... that Richard Strauss reportedly composed "Traum durch die Dämmerung" ("Dream in the Twilight"), on a love poem by Otto Julius Bierbaum, in 20 minutes?
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Welcome!

Hello, Gerda Arendt, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, like Graham Waterhouse, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines for page creation, and may soon be deleted. ... --> Again, welcome! Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:39, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Go Gerda Girl

You do great work and I love it! Don't let Tony get to you. Ihre Arbeit ist grossartig. Weiter schreiben, eien lange Zeit. PS, I really liked the article about the church the communists blew up. BarkingMoon (talk) 11:50, 19 June 2011 (UTC) Sehr geehrte Gerda, I have a watch on your page since a few weeks ago. I approved and moved 167 to holding for June 24.BarkingMoon (talk) 12:11, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Keine Problem. Koennen Sie ueberpruefen DYK Noel F. Parrish? Danke. BarkingMoon (talk) 12:14, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Later, yes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:24, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

See my talk page. Thanks so much! BarkingMoon (talk) 11:13, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

On 30 December 2011 the article became a GA, thanks to Ched, PumpkinSky and MathewTownsend, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Flowers and sapphires

Flowers!

	Wonderful comment
	For your wonderful comment, cutting right to the heart of the matter! cmadler (talk) 13:18, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

For a true gem of a person ...

	words of reason and trust
	To quote you: Thank you for speaking up with decency and fairness, treating editors as living people, — Ched :  ?  15:58, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

almost forgot one thing

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		For being one of the nicest people I know, on-Wiki or off. 184.59.31.77 (talk) 18:57, 6 February 2012 (UTC) (Khazar)

Cherry Impact event barnstar

		The Cherry Impact Event Award
		I hereby award Gerda Arendt this Cherry Impact Event Award for the global impact your incredibly delightful sweetness and extraordinary talent brings to all of us! . – Dreadstar † 07:01:00, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Standing Strong

	When the Ill Winds Blow No Good
	I saw this image and thought of you and all you've done to help PS and Khazar. You are a bastion of refuge when the storm clouds come in, and I for one would like to thank you. Don't worry about people talking behind your back - as they say, "sticks and stones". Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:13, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

uh, a tree for you

	Tree award? These have to be "awards"?
	Hi, Gerda. I was editing Desivojca, and it has this nice tree photo from the "Komani neighborhood", so I figured it should be seen more. Enjoy. Alarbus (talk) 15:55, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I do, I love trees! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	Thank you so much for your help fixing up "Move Like This"! Your kindness and expertise is greatly appreciated! 28bytes (talk) 18:06, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! My pleasure, for a change: „Keep on Knocking“, „Sad Song“, „Free“, „Drag on Forever“, „Just What I Needed“ - just what I needed, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:26, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

The Mandarax Barnstar of Excellence

		The Mandarax Barnstar of Excellence
		I am pleased to award this MBE to you in recognition of your outstanding work on Wikipedia. Your numerous DYKs have achieved the noble goal of highlighting culture on the Main Page. Your work with other users is exemplary, and you're one of the nicest Wikipedians, always supporting and encouraging other users. Thanks for all of your superb contributions! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:14, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! - I was tempted to say "Blushing", but every time I say so the user is gone a week later, I don't want to miss you also ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:19, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

ps: I would like to share this award with my br'er Rabbit, the incarnation of selfless service to this project ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:15, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Your not saying it seems to have worked – it's been a week and I'm still here! I just finished my latest article (my first in a long time). It's about an artist who was born and raised in Germany and was very interested in music. For some reason, that made me think of you.... MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 22:01, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

I didn't say it, as much as I was tempted! - Thanks for staying with me, and for the article! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:25, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Knock on wood, as I blushed as well recently ;) Muggeseggele is still facing extinction while the Mans parking was guided so well to DYK by our fairy maiden - Glückauf Serten (talk) 10:23, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

You found #1, I blushed three more times, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:25, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

First ever Wiki Angel Award

		The Wiki Angel Award
		Gerda, es macht mich glücklich, dir den ersten Wiki Angel Award geben. Du bist ein true Wiki Angel und feine Dame.PumpkinSky talk 18:13, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

• This is awesome ... wish I would have thought of it. :) — Ched :  ?  18:26, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!!! (blushing again, see above) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:32, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

... I'd make a Wikilove thingy ...

... with a pretty picture, but I'm lazy so instead you'll have to settle for text" Barnstar

Hi Gerda,

I saw your note on my talk page. Thanks for the kind words, and for being so refreshingly pleasant and un-bitter all the time. An inspiration to us all. I'm sure I'll see you around eventually, but probably won't be for a while yet. Enjoying my time away. Cheers. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:56, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

I enjoy refreshing apparitions, also I am in a good mood, after singing Bach for more than two hours, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:08, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

nice edit notice ;)

• http://wikipediocracy.com/
• http://wikipediocracy.com/2012/10/31/tis-the-season-to-be-banning-at-wikipedia/

• Mads Lange

A Halloween present from Wikipediocracy on my eighth anniversary. Best wishes. Mads Lange (talk) 09:28, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

'tis the season

nice comment, peace maker - I pass free treats today, Reformation, even the Bach cantata got a pumpkin + I like sharing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:32, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

peace GA ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:44, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

I'm not by there very often, but today I saw the recent kerfluffle at AN/I and thought you could use some sweets. Lest you think this is all selfless, though, I brought a second fork. Care to split it? -- Khazar2 (talk) 02:33, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, sweet of you, - I would share with Andy first if his doctors allow. Day by day I hope the thread autoarchives (havn't looked today), - I am sure his doctors allow no stress ;) . Did you see the list of 18 discussions "drowning" a project? - Everybody who takes an unbiased look is welcome to share the baklava! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:58, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Infobox request

Work your magic, if you have a few minutes: A Song for Simeon.--ColonelHenry (talk) 23:55, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Done. Did you know that Simeon is among my images? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:41, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Infoboxes clarification request archived

Hi Gerda, the infoboxes clarification request in which you were named as a party has been closed and archived. The Committee clarified that acting on behalf of a restricted user to breach a restriction is WP:PROXYING and so is not permitted. For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:39, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

WP:PROXYING, which is a policy says "Wikipedians in turn are not permitted to post or edit material at the direction of a banned editor (sometimes called proxy editing or proxying) unless they are able to show that the changes are either verifiable or productive and they have independent reasons for making such edits" (my emphasis). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:38, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Jahrhundertring

The DYK project (nominate) 17:17, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Really glad to see this cultural milestone make it into the encyclopedia and onto the front page too. Well done! Whiteghost.ink (talk) 03:19, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, see my memories :) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

nothing secret here

Hello Gerda, nice to meet you. Are you really the Notorious Infoboxen WikiCriminal that has been terrorizing the music articles?  :-)   As you can see from my first posting on AGK's talkpage, up above the duromac thing, I am *also* a notorious wikiCriminal. Or at least, notoriously silly (AGK blocked me -- then later unblocked me -- when they mistook one of my not-all-that-funny jokes over on the Bishzilla talkpage).

But my actual question for you is this -- I did not really understand your reply to me.

(watching) Simply thank you! (I would use the button, but it doesn't work for IP. Also there's nothing secret here.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:06, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, okay, I understood the watchlist part, and the thank-you part. You are surely welcome. <bows>

But what button and what secret thing are you referring to? I do login as an IP, of course (you can call me 74 if you like), but User_talk:Clover1991 has registered a pseudonym; they are the one submitting the article, not me. Maybe the link to the 'secret' thing in my message was was confusing -- it is just a pokemon character, one of many not-very-notable-toys which has a long article in mainspace, badly in need of cleanup, and short on reliable sources. The pokeman-article is not related to the Duromac thing, directly, I was just using it as a metaphorical example of how wimpy our deletionist-standards are when something is 'popular' to some degree in the english-speaking-world. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 14:05, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

74, nice to meet you! (Feels like Lohengrin, no real name ;) - But then I'm a friend of 28bytes, also no real name but heart and reason.) - First: yes, I am the terrorizing witch, only nobody told me so far what that terror is, I see no evidence, hear only echoes of former wars. You enter a battleground: you are a warrior, - easy. Sparrow Mass: after gracing seven Schubert masses with an infobox I continued with Mozart, interesting story followed ;) - Now to your question: between registered users, there's a function where you simply click a button for an edit and have thanked the editor who made it, and it's more or less secret between the two. Sometimes I use it where I would not do it in public ;) - I wanted to thank you for your diligent research and the way to present it, I watch AGK since this, more recently this, - the former was more fun ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:22, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Appreciate your thank-you, kind and gracious humanoid. 74 does count as a name of sorts; think of it as a jersey number.  :-)   Since I am an outsider, and have only heard rumors of the Dread Infoboxen Wars, you should take my nutshell explanation with a grain of salt...

infoboxen oh nohz!

The story seems to be, that some editors who are very particular about *appearances* (the visual layout of the article and the style of how wikipedia appears to the readership) ended up annoyed at infoboxen *generally* as too data-oriented or too formal or too something, long before your arrival. So, when you came along with your wikithusiasm for spreading tightly-summarized knowledge, these visually-oriented editors mistook your love of the readership, with a crime of passion! <gasp> Personally, I never read the infoboxen, except in articles about chemicals, in which case I often *only* read the infobox-data. There is a new project, called WikiData, that has the potential to satisfy both yourself (e.g. there can be wikidata that the composer was born in YYYY that is easily accessible to readers *without* necessarily changing the page-layout) and the visually-oriented style-conscious editors; it is still in beta phase, and seeing the shape of what it will become is difficult at this point, but I have high hopes.   Anyways, what it boils down to, is an *artistic* argument about aesthetics: does the page LOOK COOLER without the infoboxen, or with the infoboxen? As with any argument about looking fashionable, there is always going to be more heat than light, more noise than signal, and so on. The arbcom decision to make infoboxen illegal, and you a notorious wikiCriminal, was a deeply flawed pragmatically-motivated attempt to keep talkpage decorum, to end the endless aesthetically-motivated edit-wars, and in general decide the fashion-question by fiat. The problem is that they ended up compromising our deepest principle, the encyclopedia anyone can edit, which boils down to Liberty. (The second, unstated, half of the principle was also run over with a tank: Liberty and wikiJustice for all.)

You can see the same kind of respect-my-authoritah problems elsewhere, with the ever-growing list of Arbitrarily Enforced Discretionary Sanction topics (which will soon cover half of mainspace), the ever-growing list of semi-protected pages (the encyclopedia only Real Contributors can edit), and in so many other ways. The rising authoritarianism is deadly[2] to wikipedia... growth in active editor-count ceased years ago,[3] and has been steadily declining since. WMF has proven they are unable to help us,[4] so we have to solve this one ourselves.[5] Part of the *motivation* for draconian pragmatic arbcom decisions that violate the-encyclopedia-anyone-can-edit, is purely and simply that no arbcom member, no admin, and few semi-admins-using-twinkle-huggle-stiki-reviewer-rollbacker-etc can spare the time to follow the five pillars. They are busy-busy, rushing from fire to fire, and there are no reinforcements coming, whilst the readership grows and grows and grows.

retention oh yehz!

This busy-busy crap leads to brusqueness, template-spam on user talkpages, ban-hammer first then let somebody else sort out the bodies, and most damagingly to aristocratic cliques and an us-versus-them caste-system wikiCulture. Worst of all, it is a vicious cycle where we shoot ourselves in the foot, every single day: nobody spares the time to be nice to beginners, so they leave, wikipedia is no damn fun. That means we'll *never* get reinforcements, we'll *never* be less busy-busy, we'll *always* suffer from steadily declining WP:RETENTION.   Okay, enough whining: I am quite sure the problems can be fixed. We need to have a vast influx of new blood, and the only way to do that is by making wikipedia fun again. I am forming a not-a-cabal, which will rule the wikiverse with the iron fist of friendlyism, and force wikipedians to enjoy themselves here whether they like it or not. You are cordially invited to join.  :-)   The not-a-cabal runs on a shoestring at the moment, holding brief meetings in the back alleys of the wikiverse on various user-talkpages, plus some of our agents have infiltrated the staid and prestigious halls of the WT:WER... but with any luck soon the not-a-cabal agents (colloquially known as WP:NICE nazis) will be everywhere.   Our goal is simple: steady inexorable growth of editors that contribute at least 5+edits/month, from the current 31k-and-falling figure today, to one million for enWiki. The trick is to make sure they are 99% Good Eggs, which means we have to assume that at least 1% of humanity is basically good -- enWiki has a couple-few hundred million uniques per month in terms of readership, at the moment. My core assertion, and key assumption, is simply that way more than 31k of those people are Real Contributors; if we want them to stay, all we have to do, is simply to keep from driving them away.

We get literally 1000 new editors every month! Problem is, we lose 1050 editors, every month; that *must* stop. Thanks for listening, and thanks for improving wikipedia. p.s. Upgrades,[6] unofficial tutorial,[7] and the 'official' helpdocs,[8] too. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 13:21, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing elucidation! The infobox story goes back to 2005, did you know? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:39, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Infobox

Thank you for your cogent arguments on infoboxes for all biographies, so the "look and feel" of Wikipedia extends to all people. The arguments against them for certain classes of people is just silly. I love the way you have collected their specious arguments. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 23:55, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, it's nice to feel understood ;) - did you vote? - here's another collection of arguments, the candidates speaking for themselves, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:02, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

tale of the ironing lady

Gerda, apropos of Mark Williams-Thomas, why don't you simply add the parameter needs-infobox = yes to the {{WikiProject Biography}} template on the talk page? It will put it directly into a category, where many more editors will see it, and it is more, shall we say, "straightforward" than this sort of tactic. Voceditenore (talk) 19:03, 8 December 2013 (UTC) I tried straightforward, here and here, - and your way might get someone in trouble without a warning, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:27, 8 December 2013 (UTC) ps: the most straightforward story of where helping can get you is here, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 8 December 2013 (UTC) Placing an article in Category:Biography articles without infoboxes is not, in my view, requesting proxy editing on your behalf (or more specifically Andy Mabbett's behalf in this case). It is simply stating a fact, "this article has no infobox". Any editor can act on it (or not) without "getting into trouble" after evaluating the article and without reference to the specific editor who added the article to the category. That is much more in keeping with both the spirit and the letter of your ArbCom restriction and subsequent clarification than going to an individual editor's page, giving them a "Precious Award", and then following it up by informing them that you are looking for someone to make a proxy edit for you if they are "unafraid of arbcom sanctions". Voceditenore (talk) 11:41, 9 December 2013 (UTC) Thank you for pointing out the possibility of the talk page request which I didn't know. I would like to use it a lot, but who am I to say "needs an infobox", ever? I was told again and again that it's a content decision by the "principal author". I didn't mark the straightforward approach you mention above as humour, sorry, I thought it was obvious, - my only weapon in the battle against absurdity ;) - Who created Victor Bruns? The one who formatted a machine translation? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:50, 9 December 2013 (UTC) "I would like to use it a lot, but who am I to say 'needs an infobox', ever?" I'm not following your reasoning at all, Gerda. Or perhaps you meant that humourously? Every time you suggest an infobox on an article talk page complete with a fully filled-in model for someone else to add (as you did at Talk:Mark Williams-Thomas, Talk:Grange Court, Talk:Ach wie flüchtig, ach wie nichtig, BWV 26, Talk:Wilfred Byng Kenrick, etc. etc.) you are saying the article needs an infobox. There's no difference between that and simply adding the "needs-infobox" parameter to a project banner instead. As for who created Victor Bruns, it was the person who made the red link turn blue by adding, formatting, and referencing a machine translation of the equivalent German Wikipedia article, i.e. Dr. Blofeld. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 13:39, 9 December 2013 (UTC) No. Possibly I have a language difficulty. "Needs" means - at least for me - a different thing than "I suggest". I believe that every article would we be better with an infobox, but to my (admittedly failing) memory I never said that an article needs one. - Failing memory: I remembered working on the Bruns article so well that I failed to check the history. - I stopped pointing out my restrictions on article talk pages: what would our readers think? - I suggested infoboxes for Andy more than for myself because I believe that his restriction - not to add infoboxes to his own articles as if he was in conflict with himself - is absurd. - On a hike, I thought that humour also helps a bit to cope with loss, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:33, 9 December 2013 (UTC) The clear implication to the reader of someone "suggesting" the addition of an infobox to an article and pasting a complete mock-up of it on the talk page is that in their view the article should have it. Otherwise, why on earth would they suggest one? On the other hand, the needs-infobox = yes parameter actually displays on the talk page as: '"An appropriate infobox may need to be added to this article." [my bolding] There is no essential difference between the two in terms of their implicature or in terms of the speech act they encode, i.e. an indirect request for action. Trust me, I wrote a textbook for beginners on pragmatics . Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:33, 9 December 2013 (UTC) Voceditenore, thank you for clarifying and teaching! I would not have imagined that a parameter "needs an infobox" would translate to "may need to be added", which is more careful. But it's still not what I would say. No article "needs" an infobox. I show by an infobox on the talk page that in my view an article would be better with one, and I spare another user the time to design it. - I will try your approach on Gabriele Schnaut, but first need to add substance to the article, - and I need to learn this language better ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 11 December 2013 (UTC) Listeners/readers don't simply translate words into their literal meaning when interpreting language and acting on it. They make inferences as to what the speaker/writer intended by their utterance. Scenario: You walk into the kitchen where Signora Voceditenore is doing the weekly ironing. You have a wrinkled shirt in your hand and you'd like her to iron it for you because your landlord has forbidden you to use an iron yourself. You could say any of the following (in descending degrees of politeness/indirectness), but they would all be interpreted by the Signora as you basically requesting her to iron the shirt: I think this shirt would look better if it were ironed. I'm looking for someone to iron this shirt. I suggest ironing this shirt. This shirt needs to be ironed. Iron this shirt! The Signora will do one of two things. She will either iron the shirt or refuse to iron it, but she won't have misinterpreted your intention. There will be several factors which will influence her decision to comply. How you phrased the request is probably the least of them. Signora Voceditenore (talk) 13:15, 11 December 2013 (UTC) Nice scene! I play the role of the Signora now: I would iron the shirt if the request addressed me personally: "Can you please iron this shirt? I would do it myself but I am not allowed to ... You could help me.", and I might be quite deaf to the above ;) - Unfortunately, the parallel doesn't work, because on an article talk, I don't like to talk about my shameful "not allowed" (now it says even "ban"), and I can't address someone personally. When I say "I am looking for someone", I don't mean a specific person. - Please check the singer, there's more now. I will look for better sourcing for the recordings, copied from the Spanish Wikipedia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:51, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again!

Thanks much, Gerda, for the reprise of your award. It's refreshing and encouraging to encounter some kindness amidst the bellicosity, irrationality, and bigotry that I frequently encounter. TimidGuy (talk) 12:02, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Patrice Chéreau

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Patrice Chéreau you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jburlinson -- Jburlinson (talk) 23:41, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey.

Appreciative gesture; gratitude. DS (talk) 14:05, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Many Thanks

I want to thank you for the kind Precious award dealie you left in August. (Alas, I've not been on the site much at all lately. This has been a rough week for me as a writer, and I can't tell you how lovely it was to find your considerate words waiting for me here. Kudos for being so thoughtful and positive. Scartol • Tok 19:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Lovely, considerate, thoughtful, positive: that's you, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Nun lob, mein Seel, den Herren

The DYK project (nominate) 12:04, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Blwyddyn Newydd Dda

Jolly New Year!! Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:34, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, needed ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:40, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

From me too, but ... "all praise, and then this happened, - even more we need good wishes," — just elected (highest vote) — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 09:38, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Did you know that he helped me in a seemingly hopeless case in 2011, and again in 2012. (Look for my name in his well organized archive if not.) Who's going to help me now, in this seemingly hopeless case? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:21, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

ps: I went to the Swedish Wikipedia to find out who wrote the excellent article 'tis the season' shown above, - he did, some don't like that, for me it was a revelation ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:24, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

But why now? — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 19:18, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

You look at his last two archives, mostly of one day, matters of COI and outing, - he - integrity in person - didn't want to serve on arbcom with the slightest bit of doubt. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:42, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

I have just finished wading through the two archives and as far as I can tell it all boils down to something referred to as "WO", whatever that is: is it Wikipedia:WikiOverload? I cannot find out, and some chinless wonder. The mind boggles.
I feel angry now. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 21:21, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

WO is Wikipediocracy. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:32, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year Gerda!! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:38, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year to you (but I confess that "Nazi" bothered me, - nothing compared to the above but enough to stay silent) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:02, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Oh! Thank you Nikki Maria, although I fail to see why it relates to WO — and why it should present such a hoo-haa. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 22:11, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Last year my present was an enlightening article titled "'tis the season" (shown above under the popcorn, and discussed here), - I looked for the author, no result, and found out now (to my delight) that it was 28bytes, - only others were less delighted, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:02, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Emailed.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:24, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

clarified, thank you, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:03, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Help

Hi Gerda, sorry to bother you and i hope you don't mind but Wehwalt sent me in your direction. Im looking for someone to write or help in writing the critical reception section for Rocky the Musical. The main issue is whilst i have a couple of sources in the article i struggle to translate from German (Google translate is terrible and i don't speak German) on top of that i have difficulty in finding other German sources for the opening night reviews as there are so many German sources on sites and some seem to talk about openings and others just in general but i struggle working out which are which.Blethering Scot 19:11, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

If you have time. See my user, closed for the season, - traveling and sad, see above, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:39, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

ok, well thanks. If you ever do have the time or the feeling takes you it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time.Blethering Scot 00:05, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year

	Happy New Year, 2014
	From Amandajm (talk) 09:30, 2 January 2014 (UTC) The Epiphany Window, St Andrew's Cathedral, Sydney, by John Hardman & Co. of Birmingham

Thank you for the epiphany, much needed ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:01, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you very much for the "Precious" acknowledgement that you made on my talk page back in December. I can honestly say that it made my day when I discovered it. I sadly no longer have time to contribute to the project, but it is very gratifying to know that my contributions back then are still appreciated.

I am very curious to know how you managed to stumble upon my contributions, though? It's been so long now since I was a regular editor here and I assumed that my work had been forgotten! Cheers, Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 22:47, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

I look every day, at today's featured article first, where I found you ;) - I remember the feeling when it happened to me in 2010, see my user page, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:56, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

It's a very nice gesture. Keep up the good work! Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 23:04, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Trying ;) - Have a look at Duck Attack!, game expert, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:45, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Dear Gerda, I have just noticed you have been engaging in The Great Game with WP over the past couple of months! Rather you than me... I am a vulture for quiet anonymity these days if it can be found anywhere. (Instead I am vainly trying to find useful fingerings for the Musical Offering fugues and to make my left-hand trills on fingers 3 & 4 sound like something other than a dying weasel. I also had a wisdom tooth out, which has wonderfully improved my vocal resonance - on one side only.) But, I hope you won't let such matters affect your seemingly infinite productivity or cause you to forget that you have many friends here. On the whole the value of the good far outweighs the annoyance of the bad, and when one considers how far the English Wikipedia has come and the work that it is doing there are bound to be frustrations along the way. May I take this opportunity of wishing you a very happy New Year. yours, Eebahgum (talk) 05:32, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, encouraging! If you look at my archive, the game did not stop me ;) - If you look at my present user page, you see that the treatment of the one who won the last round stopped me, - I think of Kundry's dienen. dienen, for a change. I love your apparition and wish you a happy new year, - we will sing Schütz, Psalms of David, for sorrow and joy, - what's sorrow in German? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:24, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Fortunately I was never tempted to aim for adminship. Even in my schooldays I was recognized as unfit to be a school prefect, for which I have since become very grateful. It taught me that my own personality, with all faults, was unsuitable even for basic training in officialdom. It was perhaps incongruous that a Quaker school should have had prefects. If prefects, why not Bishops? Liktors? It took us long enough to get rid of Ministers! One must listen within. Sorrow? Leiden (as in Werther) gets near but it doesn't mean the same thing, and Sorg is not the same either. Sorgen-schwerheit? To find an unbastardized sentiment one must consult an antique dictionary. Is there a German word for 'Sorry'? Eebahgum (talk) 13:12, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the words! It's a drawing by van Gogh, as you may have seen, a pregnant woman in distress. "Sorge" comes close and sounds similar. "Sorry" is "es tut mir leid", stronger "ich bereue" (I regret). Je ne regret rien ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Hope is precious and great joy is found in living

Thank you for the sapphire—cornflower blue is a color of some significance to me. In the maelstrom that Wikipedia can sometimes be, remember these words from Ode to Joy:

   Wem der große Wurf gelungen,
   Eines Freundes Freund zu sein,
   Wer ein holdes Weib errungen,
   Mische seinen Jubel ein!
   Ja, wer auch nur eine Seele
   Sein nennt auf dem Erdenrund!
   Und wer's nie gekonnt, der stehle
   Weinend sich aus diesem Bund! 

Walk lightly and remain yourself, above the fray. →StaniStani  09:20, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, it helps to open my shop again. - I sang the words last year, here, helping. The blue colour is also of significance to me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

shop open --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:43, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Yay  :-)     — 74.192.84.101 (talk) 03:16, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

CVA

Dear Gerda, thanks so much for this - always interesting to see recognition of CVA. All best for 2014. I am slowly beginning to root around on WP, presently trying to shape up Chopin. Warm regards, --Smerus (talk) 17:48, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

2014 started with a freezing shock (see above), recovery slow (and only because a man whom I knew died and had no article yet), now expanding BWV 172, Bach helps, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:03, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that Gerda, you're more than welcome to lounge by my magma pool and thaw out!♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:57, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

I am afraid that would be a bit too sudden, no? - A GA review for the cantata might be the gentler approach ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:05, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Might be a bit hot too! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:28, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Erschallet, ihr Lieder

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172 you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Dr. Blofeld -- Dr. Blofeld (talk) 19:31, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the plunge ;) - You will notice that edit warring is going on, about whether to show Bach's original markings in Italian (Coro, Recitativo) at least once, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:08, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

I hadn't noticed! Only a few minor points/queries to answer. Ping me when you're done, it's clearly passable.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:17, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Ping. I can stop now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:30, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Can you state done on the GA review page when finished?♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:40, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Erschallet, ihr Lieder

The article Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172 you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172 for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Dr. Blofeld -- Dr. Blofeld (talk) 21:52, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks and greetings

A nice birthday present, dear Gerda. I am 62 today, well fed and wined, and delighted to hear from you. Tim riley (talk) 00:22, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Happy birthday, Tim, erschallet, ihr Lieder! Is your birthday the 10th? Did you see yesterday's 100th? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:41, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Oops! I'm up too late. I was 62 yesterday the 9th, but I stagger on. Respectful hugs, Tim riley (talk) 01:05, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Even better in a way ;) - we celebrated what would have been the 100th birthday of a beloved the 9th, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:02, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

ps: If you think Wikipedia would not be damaged if Andy added infoboxes to articles that he newly creates you could say so here. Short, please ;) My point of view, but you don't have to adopt it: as Nikkimaria pointed out, his articles get infoboxes anyway (one by - then - an arb), but it would mean less work and feeling of "guilt" of those who add in what could be construed as proxy editing if he could simply do it himself. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:22, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Regina (Lortzing)

Guten Morgen, Gerda. I've just come across this fairly new page and thought you might be interested in copyediting or expanding it. Cheers, De728631 (talk) 08:24, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Have patience, please, more sorrow and a blessing first, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:59, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

The mixed blessing done (see below), I looked, tweaked a bit and recommend that Michael Bednarek enters the scene, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:31, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Bier, Bratwürste und Sauerkraut!

Your thanks was worth so much more than just a beer! Plus, I really like Nurembergers. Although I prefer them on a roll mit mittelscharf. GregJackP Boomer! 21:19, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, I could need some "deftige Kost". I left two projects recently, for different reasons (see my user page). Working on an article on music written for a memorial service, the day of the funeral of someone I knew (not too well, but enough to write his article), and in memory of the friend who just left us (see top): ... and give you peace, will sing that tomorrow, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Tschüß. Ich verlasse das Projekt. Ich werde nicht mit den Arschlöchern nicht mehr setzen. Ich will auch nicht warten, während Administratoren nichts zu tun. Es tut mir leid für die maschinelle Übersetzung, ich hoffe, es war nicht zu schwer zu lesen. GregJackP Boomer! 03:17, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

I was easy to read. Losing the best - I say that since 2010. Every good one gone makes it harder to stay - the Lord bless you and keep you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:54, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Patrice Chéreau

The article Patrice Chéreau you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass, otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Patrice Chéreau for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jburlinson -- Jburlinson (talk) 19:20, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Move Like This

The rider

File:Rubber Duck (8374802487).jpg

Giant rubber duck [1] - tried to rescue

sv:Move Like This Stubb in. Two problems. 1. Can't add the interwiki. 2. this picture doesn't work overthere. Hafspajen (talk) 22:59, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you!!! I like this move ;) - Those are no problems, I will fix wikidata entry, and sv and de have to do without the pic (which can't even appear here, sorry), same as for Duck Attack!, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:29, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

• No worries. How did you fixed that? Hafspajen (talk) 11:04, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

• What? Wikidata? Someone else did before me. Let's assume you wrote a stub on the game, you click on "edit links" under "Languages" on the left, that gets you to here, you click on "add" under links to the other languages, enter "sv" and the name in the next field, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:30, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I never discovered the add stuff, but was clicking everyhere else but there. Hafspajen (talk) 13:52, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

I forgot to mention that you also have to press "save" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:58, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes, you did. Hafspajen (talk) 14:50, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Duck or attack, that is the question, - have a look, also pictured on top ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:45, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

• Would you like to attack this one? de:talk:Frederick August Wenderoth. I think that Frederick August Wenderoth would deserve an article, and I can help with the pictures. Hafspajen (talk) 21:00, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

• Do you mean Frederick August Wenderoth? Stub yes. Open GA review, see above, - I know a rider, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:17, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

• What about a stub? And why don't you ask Eric to help you? Hafspajen (talk) 22:07, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

• Stub yes, but not now ;) - Look at Düsseldorfer Malerschule. - Eric? Archived. I miss Khazar, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Lovely sidesaddle paintings, by the way! Montanabw^(talk) 00:11, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes, aren't they. Well, we wait then. Hafspajen (talk) 16:31, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

So, do you have a catch me if you can DYK for August? Hafspajen (talk) 17:50, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for gallery. Article needs refs, at least one for every para, - will do that tomorrow. Swedish duck stub? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:48, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Thought the German article had those... Hafspajen (talk) 20:29, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

German articles almost never have them, not inline, ask PumpkinSky (o wait), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:03, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Hamburger Konservatorium

Gerda, I just knocked off this little article but it could use some improvements. I was unable to find any english sources on the school, but I'd imagine there would be several in German. I can read and speak some German, but I am by no means fluent. Perhaps you could help with improvements. Also, all of the red linked alumni and faculty have articles on the German wiki. Best.4meter4 (talk) 20:49, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

So nice to meet you again! I moved you on the sad list a while ago. For the red links, use {{ill|de|article name}}, those knowing German can get more on single people. No more sources right now, sorry, and see above, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:27, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Rocky

No, i fully intend still to do it. Not been that well last few weeks so avoiding the things that take me out my comfort zone i.e. need a bit more concentration. Will try and complete next week.Blethering Scot 13:40, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Take all the time you need to feel better. My recovery is in progress, and I am dealing with tricky reception, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:47, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK for The Lord bless you and keep you

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Wolfgang Rösch

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Frederick August Wenderoth

Hi Gerda, this is an article that interests me a lot and I'm afraid I got a little carried away with it! He's somewhat important in California history, was one the first photographers in the area where in the 20th century Ansel Adams took some of his most important photographs, and the paintings of the Gold Rush are important to the history of the state. Anyway, I'll post to the talk there about the edits I made (some have to do with the sourcing issues that came from the original .de page) and we can hash out anything you disagree with. Victoria (tk) 02:42, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Delighted about your help, see above how I got to know him ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:56, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK

Hi there. Some time ago you nominated something I wrote for a Did You Know fact. I have drafted this one Template:Did you know nominations/Thaddeus Ma Daqin but am unfamiliar with how to progress it. Are you able to advise or help? Many thanks. Ozhistory (talk) 01:20, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

It looks llike a nice start. First you have to link the article in the hook and bold that link. So far he is not mentioned, consider doing it, otherwise create a pipe link. Also the article is classified as a stub, remove that, it's no longer true. It's long enough and new enough, you have three more days to nominate. - When you are ready you copy the complete title of the nomination and insert it on the nominations page (the link is in the nomination, on top), under the day when the article was created (16 January), - follow the example of others. I could all do all this myself but think you learn more if you do it ;) - DYK that I am working on a bishop myself? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:48, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Hermann Müller (Idstein)

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Frederick August Wenderoth

Everything looks good, however shouldn't a QPQ be done. I would like to give a Good to Go on this.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:58, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

MOS of Music related articles

Hi, long time no see. Hmm, I couldn't find an MOS for musicians so I edited this guy and now I am confused; is it O.K. to add links to say 2000 in music in a list of albums? Many thanks in advance.--Mishae (talk) 15:52, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

I would do that (only) if the linked page lists that album, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

So, in your opinion did I do it right, or not? Because if it is allowed, I will then do it to the rest of the musicians.--Mishae (talk) 23:33, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

I checked 1978 and 2000 and did not find the album in the year article, so I would not link those. But who am I - always saying that MoS is not holy scriptures, - better ask others ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:39, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Like whom?--Mishae (talk) 23:44, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Project Jazz perhaps (see his talk), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:49, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you very much for your message. It's good to know, at least someone appreciates my edits. HerkusMonte (talk) 15:37, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Writer's Barnstar
	Your efforts in creating and translating articles, here and elsewhere, is greatly appreciated. Thank you Gerda. Drmies (talk) 20:47, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Both a flower and a sapphire....

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	Your efforts in creating and translating articles, here and elsewhere, are greatly appreciated. Hafspajen (talk) 20:52, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, both, you excellent writing team, - guess what, I even started attacked a Magnificat today, or should I say four? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

• Magnificat, Magnificat, Magnificat, anima mea Dominum, Magnificat Magnificat Magnificat anima mea! Hafspajen (talk) 00:53, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

• magnificent, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:56, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Well, this one is the classical that is used in the mass, found it in a Taizé Community song bok. Hafspajen (talk) 18:42, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Gerda is just reading a book, and doesn't care any more.. sigh Hafspajen (talk) 16:48, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

I know that one, now we can hum together, - on our program is Schütz SWV 494, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:15, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the Yogo sapphire, that's another article for Swedish etc. I did German, including that image ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:10, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

MMmm, an Idea. You see, those songs are very ancient, if you listen to that link. In the hymnals you can sometimes read, atributed to tis and than.. or just ancient praise. Hafspajen (talk) 13:44, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

The wording attributed to Mary dates from before she gave birth, and she took ideas from Psalms of David (Schütz composed many of those), thousand years earlier, who took ideas ... ideas about a different fairness, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:46, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Like Montanabw^(talk) 00:51, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Like that painter, Charles Marion Russell? Here, Paradiesgärtlein. Hafspajen (talk) 06:16, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Lovely! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:20, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Those flowers, most are Marian symbols. Please, see that the link is RED! If you go ower to the German text... the Paradiesgärtlein, see... Even better. Now there is one thing for sure, the whole art history is full of those symbols. Am I failing to find this article, or really there is no such thing? Because, if not... Hafspajen (talk) 13:26, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Das Hofkonzert. Rudolf Alfred Höger (1877-1930)

Could you look please on those German texts? ->Journeyman years. Maybe you can add a translation...? Hafspajen (talk) 02:49, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Gerda was on a hike ;) - (you can look at my contributions if you want to know what I'm doing. I don't mind stalking, I'm used to it.) - actually I should read more, thanks for the beautiful suggestion! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:03, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the translation... !!!Hafspajen (talk) 21:30, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Beautiful concert at court, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:43, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

• THEY ...They lay plutonium eggs.....?? Now what was that - (a citation Gerda)? Hafspajen (talk) 00:49, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

(it's in the description) - attack! (red link here) - I duck perhaps more than I can reasonably forgive myself, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:11, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

painter stub probably tomorrow, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:18, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

There is an intersting discussion att Kohl talk page, butt in. Raise a lot of questions. Rudolf-Alfred-Hoeger Hoeger Motifs de:Rudolf Alfred Höger - and take a look at past-auction-results Rudolf Alfred Höger [9]. And here, Rudolf Alfred Höger sold at Christies for £2,585 - how about that? Hafspajen (talk) 16:45, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Guess why I promised the stub? (It's not more than a stub in German also.) Because I saw that discussion ;) - today is the day of another Magnificat and celebration, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:20, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

• sv:Yogo safirer. Hafspajen (talk) 19:58, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

• ....That Gaudeamus Igitur and Obstmarkt in Venedig - have you seen them? Can you show me? Wonder if I put them on right description - contemporary. (Who knows - might be war scenes...)

• You made my day! with the safirer! the only better day would have been tomorrow, because 30 Jan was the day I gave Precious to the author and photographer. The Magnificat will go to the ain page, pictured ; - now to work: now, I haven't seen the two, but they were mentioned in German. No war, Gaudeamus is Latin, and linked, a students' drinking song, fruit market is also no war scene. Contemporary we can't tell, not seeing them. - Can you find sources? No DYK without them. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:31, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Hafspajen (talk) 19:07, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Uh, sources? The German Wiki - Doesn't they have them? Hafspajen (talk) 20:40, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

German has books, in this case one, I don't have it, I don't know which fact what page. That's #1. But I mean for the rest. Someone will say OR (original research). Jerome Kohl is kind of an institution, even a composer, but not a reliable source in DYK sense ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:27, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

I did realised his intelligence, Jerome Kohl striked me that a smart guy. The problem is - well - that Höger might be in a local German artist's book, but he did not reached international fame. Nothing in my artbooks so far. But that doesn't mean that it is impossible to find a source. Many (even very good) artists sometime are not known outside their own countries, like for example Tivadar Kosztka Csontváry - a deeply original but unkown artist. Hafspajen (talk) 22:45, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

No doubt that he is good for a article. But if we don't find sources he can't go to DYK - which is no problem, of course ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:50, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

I used Jerome Kohl 's words, because it was convenient but - but I can see for myself that the clothes, the furniture and the hairstyle is Rokoko, (I guess it is OR from my side), there is an other picture that says clearly that the painting is representing Rokoko era.(commons) The others are in clothigh like 1870-th. Compare James Tissot. But maybe there will be no DYK then. Hafspajen (talk) 22:56, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

'This is our reference, at google books, but it doesn't work on by computer. http://books.google.at/books/about/Die_%C3%B6sterreichischen_Maler_des_19.html?hl=de&id=_dUMAQAAIAAJ Hafspajen (talk) 23:07, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

I find a Josef Höger, but not Rudolf Alfred, sorry, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:13, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Ah, damn Hafspajen (talk) 23:15, 29 January 2014 (UTC).

How about something like this? [10] I am no good at finding refs on him. He is just not know enough. But his paintings are sold and bought, one can see that on the art auctions. Yngvadottir is the expert on this kind of things, not me. The German libraries might have books, - or Austrian books - might have somehing I can't find... How about Jerome Kohl? He said he was inteserted. Hafspajen (talk) 16:39, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

I am not there yet, do you mean Lovis Corinth? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:31, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Male Mandarin Duck

Mmm, Lovis Corinth in New York Times is also a good source. I mean maybe it is possible to fing something like this for this Höger. Hafspajen (talk) 18:43, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Let go, no blast please. I suggest the following: I nominate, and if it's not taken we go to the next. "Waste of time", not good ;) - Click on 28bytes on top and look for the phrase ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:52, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Good idea. Hafspajen (talk) 19:02, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the duck, the day 28bytes is swimming again ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:41, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

You like Ducks, no? Hafspajen (talk) 20:48, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Oh, good. de:Gefahrengebiete in Hamburg im Januar 2014 -> Hamburg demonstrations, maybe you can chrck+ Hafspajen (talk) 20:53, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

not now - perhaps ask project Germany? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:14, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

• I think the same but please put this somewhere else, I archived but didn't want to miss the Preziosen. Look in his archives for the sad story, my version. (Shortcut: my user, "my facts") --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:19, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Ich will nicht tibetisches verlieren. Somebody has to do it. Hafspajen (talk) 16:24, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Tibetisches kommt immer wieder, Kürbis nicht, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:34, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

• Woher wissen Sie das? Hafspajen (talk) 16:42, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

• Ich kenne beide schon länger, #2 and #4 Precious.- Auf Wikipedia, alle immer "du", bitte, und nette Leute ganz besonders ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:49, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Prayer

• Ich hoffe, dass Sie Recht haben. [11]. Hafspajen (talk) 16:58, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

• Sag bitte Du ;) - pic opened, and look, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:29, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

and look and expand, to be featured here, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:57, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Back to the Magnificat: we rehearsed "Of a Rose, a lovely Rose", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:02, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Ernst Roth

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Well done, Gerda. I did some minor copy editing. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:44, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

You may like to expand Adolph Fürstner.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:40, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps later. I linked a few times, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:19, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Frederick August Wenderoth

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Arbitration motion notification

A motion regarding you has been proposed: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment#Motion 2 (Gerda Arendt).

For the Arbitration Committee, --Bbb23 (talk) 20:45, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

I saw that and asked the arb who worded it to explain and provide reasoning, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:18, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Magnificat (Schütz)

Hello! Your submission of Magnificat (Schütz) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Ealdgyth - Talk 00:37, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Shouldn't be a big issue to fix, just needs to be formally cited. Ealdgyth - Talk 00:37, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Gerda. This was promoted with the image, but without a "(pictured)". I didn't see a natural way to add just a "(pictured)" that would make sense. Is what I did okay? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 02:45, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Lovely! If someone minds that "Song of Mary" is not German, we can place "German" out of the pipe link, otherwise this is better because people might think it's what they know already. We rehearse it and will sing it in July! - Would you know an image that would match this 1990 Magnificat (that we sang in 2006), along with "The Lord bless you and keep you"? With a rose, if possible. - Did you click on "blushing" above? (where I "keep you"?) - Did you know that I keep a blue duck? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:45, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Wow, you work on everything from cantatas to video games! Yes, I saw the "blushing", and nobody was ever more deserving of my MBE than you. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 09:44, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

If the missed and banned ones wrote on video games, a mathematician and a supposed witch I translate, - it's my little opposition against witch hunt. I can't translate for the scuttled one with whom I shared your prize, - he never owned an article, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:53, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Magnificat (Schütz)

Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:02, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Kandinksy

Hi Gerda,

The way I understand Wikipedia's guidelines is that I do not have to discuss edits beforehand, you know, being bold. But since you did revert my edits, I am obliged to explain, so here goes.

There are four bits there, which to me, could either be reworked to prose and using the quotations as a source, or just leave them out. For argument's sake, I'll copy-pasty them here to show what I mean.

• "The 'Pioneer' [Kandinsky] did not just produce a body of work whose sensuous magnificence and rich inventiveness eclipse even the most remarkable of his contemporaries. He also provided an explicit theory of abstract painting, exposing its principles with the utmost precision and clarity. So, the painted work is accompanied with a group of texts that at the same time clarify his work and make Kandinsky one of the main theorists of art. Facing the hieroglyphs of the last canvases of the Parisian period (which are said to be the most difficult), they provide the Rosetta stone on which the meaning of these mysterious figures is inscribed"
  • With this quotation we cross neutrality, because we don't offer any criticism on Kandinksy. It is filled with unnecessary praise: "The 'Pioneer' [Kandinsky]", "sensuous magnificence", "rich inventiveness eclipse even the most remarkable of his contemporaries", "utmost precision and clarity".
• "Kandinsky was fascinated by the expressive power of linear forms. Lyricism is the pathos of a force whose triumphant effort enters into action and encounters no obstacle. Because the straight line results from the initiative of a single, unopposed force, its domain is that of the lyric. When two forces are present and thus enter in conflict, as this is the case with the curve or the zigzag line, we are in domain of drama".
• "Kandinsky calls abstract the content that painting must express, that’s to say this invisible life that we are. In such a way that the Kandinskian equation, to which we have alluded to, can be written in reality as follows : Interior = interiority = invisible = life = pathos = abstract".
  • Numbers two and three are supposed to be informative, but are more mysterious in tone: "Lyricism is the pathos of a force whose triumphant effort enters into action and encounters no obstacle" or "Kandinsky calls abstract the content that painting must express, that’s to say this invisible life that we are". So what does this add to the article? The only thing the reader will gather is that Kandinksy was greatly admired by someone (note that Michel Henry isn't mentioned after three paragraphs of his own words).
• "Like the final climax of a giant orchestra, Moscow resounds victoriously".
  • Again, not informative at all. It was Kandinksy who said this about Moscow, so the quotation isn't about him or his work. It could be used in the article to show how he felt about Moscow, but not as a standalone quotation.

I hope this explain my edit. Feel free to come with counterarguments. --Soetermans. T / C 12:23, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

I suggest you revert to your version and copy the arguments above to the article talk as an explanation, and as a base for a discussion what to perhaps keep with source and context. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:30, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

If...

Hallo Gerda. As you can imagine, since the last ArbCom election I've been following the infobox arbitration case more closely. You might be interested in how I would have voted (had I been elected) at the 2 motions that have been proposed by WTT. Motion Number 1, I would have supported: Folantin's duck test is quite convincing. It seems that Andy, or somebody close to him under his instructions, adds infoboxes as an IP to his article. I would amend the original ArbCom remedy to allow Andy to add infoboxes to articles created by him for 3 reasons. #1 It's silly to enact an unenforceable remedy. #2 Under the original decision, you, Gerda, can add infoboxes to articles you create, so Andy should be allowed too, under the equal rights clause. #3 The continuance of the remedy as it stands is punitive rather than to avoid disruption, which is against stated policy. Motion Number 2, I would have opposed, on the grounds that ArbCom should maintain an open door for any legitimate request. To ask for an amendment/revision after a shuffle in ArbCom's membership, is legitimate and can not be held against anybody. Cheers. Kraxler (talk) 14:11, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to join WikiProject Freedom of speech

• WP:WikiProject Freedom of speech

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1. List yourself as a participant in the WikiProject, by adding your username here: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Freedom_of_speech#Participants.
2. Add userbox {{User Freedom of speech}} to your userpage, which lists you as a member of the WikiProject.
3. Tag relevant talk pages of articles and other relevant pages using {{WikiProject Freedom of speech}}.
4. Join in discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Freedom of speech.
5. Notify others you think might be interested in Freedom of speech to join the WikiProject.

Thank you for your interest in Freedom of speech, — Cirt (talk) 16:44, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Red links

If you could go back to linking missing articles on your user page this would be easier for me :-]♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:24, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Infoboxes amendment request

Hi Gerda, just a message to let you know that I've closed and archived the Infoboxes amendment request because both motions had failed to pass. For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 01:13, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Franz Kamphaus

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK

DYK Swedish main page, see [12] Hafspajen (talk) 16:33, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Precious! What's that in Swedish? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Älskling? Hafspajen (talk) 20:04, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Magnificat (Rutter)

Thanks from the DYK project and I Victuallers (talk) 00:02, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

FWIW

Santayana may be right. [13] Cheers. Collect (talk) 13:34, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Who is John Galt Santayana? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Famous quote: "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." Not really all that true, but popular. Collect (talk) 21:15, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

...with the variation, "those who do study history are condemned to watch in horror as others repeat the same mistakes! " Montanabw^(talk) 23:35, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Rudolf Alfred Höger

Materialscientist (talk) 03:18, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

So Heinrich Fuchs did it! Hafspajen (talk) 12:58, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes! And you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:05, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Well Done — both of you! — Excellent! — Gareth— | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 13:14, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

New Category

Added Category:Wikipedians who edit Wikipedia to your User Page, for your approval. A little humor! If you don't like, you can of course remove.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:53, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

I was serious when I declared my distance from Teh Community. I got more mellow but not so much ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:12, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Mathilde, Abbess of Essen

Orlady (talk) 18:57, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK Stats

Hi, sorry I reverted your addition of The Crescent (Birmingham) to the DYK stats as it was added under January. I've been trying to move it into February but I'm not managing it - can I leave you to add it yourself, please? I did try doing a self revert but it will just make a mess as you've been adding others. Apologies again! SagaciousPhil - Chat 10:24, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Y - no problem, thanks for pointing out we missed the month change ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:31, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Reginald Mount

Gerda, I noticed that the other day you offered to supply (did supply?) a QPQ for one of Andy's nominations. Another one is on the verge of being closed due to a lack of response (which has been going on for a while); I didn't know whether you wanted to be so incredibly generous again. I'll certainly wait until Andy is back on line and has a chance to respond before closing it myself, but I can't guarantee that someone else won't close it in the interim. Thanks in any case. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:37, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Y --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:32, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Nikolaus Paryla

You may wish to further the translation! Gustav Manker too!♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:20, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Y - you might use ill|de| templates for the many films by Paryla, and make a Paryla page, there's Karl also, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:41, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Franz Grundheber, translated text hidden ready for you!♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:18, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

edit conflict ;) - tell me when you are done, I am busy cleaning a composer, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

I noticed that it was plagiarized from bach cantatas almost word for word into German. I scrapped it and am working off the bach source..♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:27, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Done for now.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:32, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

(ec) About the same thing for the composer, but own website, - most commented out now. - Possibly Bach cantatas took it from Wiki? (Also happened before.) - Will look after the other, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:34, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Agnus Dei (Barber) & Messiah Part II

You're welcome! Hyacinth (talk) 00:39, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Nice to meet you, and two of my mourning pieces, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:13, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Der Kontrabaß

Orlady (talk) 13:33, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Patrice Chéreau

The article Patrice Chéreau you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Patrice Chéreau for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jburlinson -- Jburlinson (talk) 18:52, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

thank you, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:19, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Essen cross with large enamels

Orlady (talk) 06:02, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Cross of Mathilde

The DYK project (nominate) 14:17, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Cross of Otto and Mathilde

Hello! Your submission of Cross of Otto and Mathilde at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!
I don't see an earlier notification about this nom. I don't want it to be overlooked... --Orlady (talk) 19:36, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you but I watch them. This one I only nominated but will talk to the author, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:05, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

:

File:Valentine's Ducks.jpg	Happy Valentine's Day
	............................................................................................................................................................................ Hafspajen (talk) 04:18, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

thank you, also for you, - with a flower on top of my pages, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:54, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

• My dear rose, do you think I am An English expert- Well because I am not - sigh. Yngvadottir is runing after me correcting my spelling and grammar all the time. But I seee if i can do something. Hafspajen (talk) 10:30, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

• You are English expert enough for such a nice compliment! - I want you as the Swedish expert. You read what's there in Swedish, compare to what you may find commented out, and reword. Stress on reword, all in the comments is not good. I will be with you ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:37, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
• Oh, well ok.Hafspajen (talk) 10:46, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

• Well I did what I could. Some people would't even let me edit great and important articles like Michelangelo because of my "poor" English, (see talk page) so I hope this will do. Hafspajen (talk) 14:15, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

• returning from a hike: I will see, and if I believe one thing here it's: combined efforts make the music, not solos, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:57, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

• Nice thinking, where do you hike? Hafspajen (talk) 19:01, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

• Today, around Dörscheid - Kaub, more articles needing cleanup, should mention Rheinsteig, more pics in German, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:07, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Do you get visions like this hiking?

Was Der Kontrabaß translated to Swedish? (It's misspelled on the author's article there, no link.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:01, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

No, can't find any. What does that mean? Kontrabaß? The instrument? Micht be translated. So you DYKed Karin, saw that Hafspajen (talk) 09:56, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes the instrument. The play was translated to 28 languages, I thought Swedish might be one of them. I can't DYK Karin, because we can't expand her 5 times, but what about the red link singer? Is she good for 1,500 characters of prose? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:04, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

• [14] she is there. Might work, she is supposed to be one of the best folk singers. Hafspajen (talk) 10:16, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	To you, Gerda Arendt, for your unswerving dedication to improving this wonderful free encyclopedia, and for encouraging clear thinking among your fellow editors. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:39, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

"encouraging clear thinking", - I am actually crying now, thank you. - It will go in the selection "blushing", above. I remember winning an argument by "facts and myth", that was two years ago. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:46, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Well, you definitely make me think, and your comments restrain my tendencies to rush to judgment. And restraint is something worthy to be cultivated, don't you think? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:12, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

I keep trying to encourage clear thinking (without having been able to word it that well), - Eric is someone who didn't need that ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:33, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	For your untiring work on Portal:Germany, especially your comprehensive updates to the Did you know section ♦ Ipigott (talk) 06:33, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Cristian Raducanu

Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 16:03, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Female dancers

Given your interest in music, Gerda, I thought you might like to assist in improving our coverage of female dancers which I am trying to promote in connection with International Women's Day/Month. You seem to be well placed to sift through the German-language biographies which have not yet appeared in English. I have started a List of female dancers but there are certainly lots of other important figures to be added to the sections on Germany and Austria. If you don't have the time or inclination to write up the bios, then it would be a help if you could simply add names to the list with a few words explaining each dancer's involvement together with a reference. Alternatively, you could simply add names to Wikipedia:WikiWomen's_History_Month/To-do_list#Dance. Any help you can provide to encourage general participation would also be greatly appreciated. Let me know too if you have any suggestions for improvements.--Ipigott (talk) 11:59, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Great idea, and I have nothing urgent. I nominated a philosopher, and we work on a folk singer (see above). I am not very familiar with names in dance, but will have a look. Perhaps point me to specific German bios. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:26, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

I added some from de, one who's a red link there as well. If needed there would be more, I will now look to the US. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:50, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Well it's great to have the names but it would be even better if you could transform some of the red links into articles. Strictly speaking, the list should not have any red links. (See previous lists such as List of women photographers and List of female architects.) As for the United States, there are so many names I think we'll probably have to create a separate list. That's why I haven't really started on it yet. But at the moment, I'm more interested in the countries where coverage is not so good. Anyway, thanks for your support.--Ipigott (talk) 16:27, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

I had to include Tallchief whom I reviewed for DYK ;) - I could create stubs, and a bit more on selected women, Keil and Vernon preferred. (Guess what, I have red links of my own, not here (you know why) but on de where I just enjoy the second day of the above pictured DYK, they keep them for two days), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:37, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

ps: compare List of composers by name, it was discussed if "significant fame, notability or importance who also have current Wikipedia articles" meant English Wikipedia or elsewhere also, and decided that it meant elsewhere also, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Noted. Started Theater Kiel, very rough... Text is hidden..♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:01, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you Gerda for your continued kindness and support. You are a super-duper Wikipedian and I'm proud to be working beside you!

— Keithbob • Talk • 22:04, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

My pleasure! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:34, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Berkeley moved

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Composers#Michael Berkeley. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 22:29, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

seen and smiled, thank you ;) - I would reword the lead but will stay away (smiling more), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:33, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks for the sapphire. I plan to be working on the FFXIV articles again soon. Axem Titanium (talk) 15:56, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for L'ultimo giorno di Pompei

Thanks for your contribution Victuallers (talk) 16:02, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Jan Matuszyński

Thanks for your contribution Victuallers (talk) 16:03, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Susanne Rosenberg

Hafspajen (talk) 07:41, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

later, thank you, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:53, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

May all be happy.

May all be free from disabilities.

May all see the good in others.

May none suffer from sorrow.

Hafspajen (talk) 11:25, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Did you follow the link to "just" on top (to the latest sorrow)? - The above: Is it your translation of that newspaper article. Could you start her article, and we take it from there? I have about an hour now. Please be careful to use a different sequence and reword whatever possible. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:55, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

No, not the newspaper; this is from the Wikipedia, the Swedish. That article had very little usefull info. Hafspajen (talk) 12:06, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Article is out in main space. Hafspajen (talk) 12:14, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! (I had it already on my user page, as a red link, did you see that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:17, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Just a bit more, and she's good for DYK. Perhaps a review? Recordings? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:59, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

OK: can you try also? I hit mostly Swedis stuff. (Because I am in Sweden.) Hafspajen (talk) 13:26, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

The 2 are her own website, that's there as an external link. Look for Swedish and use, I can do the other. Only that I have to take care of another tagged article. We have four more days ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:36, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Do you see what Birgit Keil has and Rosenberg is missing? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:44, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

If you mean an userbox... don't know how to do that. Never been interested in useboxes. I don't like them much. I would prefer a picture. Hafspajen (talk) 18:47, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

I have never been interested in user boxes (show only one on the bottom of my user page). No, I mean a useful box. I compare it to the title page of a book, while I compare the lead to its abstract. Please look at Keil: you see at a glance that she is a living person from Germany who is a ballet dancer. Everybody can see that, even someone not good enough in English to follow the prose of a lead. If I look at sv:Franz Kafka I understand much more from the box, because it's structured, than from the lead. What do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:18, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Gerda, do you want me to do that? I dont use to them either much. Was that Kafka about the man who throw away his key, and dicovered he was not happy with it? Or was it Thomas Mann? Hafspajen (talk) 10:23, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

I like to understand what "I don't like them much" means. (Sometimes I ask people if the love or hate them, because it's surprising how much emotion is invested in the topic. The answer to my last question was this.) If your dislike is not strong, you could copy from Keil ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:32, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

ps: key question: sorry, I don't know, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:34, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Sigh. So you insist that I should do that? The answer is... an old guy? Hafspajen (talk) 10:57, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

You should see me grinning, - I heard many arguments already, but "too old" is new ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:19, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Damn all infoboxes. OK, I will make one for YOu, but don't make me do them to often. Hafspajen (talk) 11:41, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

Thank you very much for the saphire, please keep up the good work! Best, Matty.007 16:57, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Precious

Hi Gerda, Danke schoen for the precious. As you may have seen in my comment on Philip's talk page, I have retired my user id and am doing my best not to be involved at all. I hope that you enjoy two great pianists an Rheingau although, unless I'm confusing him with someone else, I think one has a reputation for cancelling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.203.96 (talk) 00:29, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, enjoy music! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:56, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Diogenes Verlag

Thanks and have a good weekend Victuallers (talk) 16:02, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Franz Grundheber

Thanks and have a good weekend Victuallers (talk) 16:03, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Revenge

The big smoked Revenge by fish

Fermented shark, hákarl, is an example of a culinary tradition that has continued from the settlement of Iceland in the 9th century to this day.

Svið: boiled sheep's head, served here with mashed potatoes and mashed turnips.

Guten Appetit . Hafspajen (talk) 17:48, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

I like it, thank you ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

An image would be great, of the singer, I mean, and perhaps also the composer: could you approach them, asking if they are open to making a free pic available? Thinking about a DYK mentioning both, alternatively Rosenberg and her group. - About disgusting food: did you know that an editor claims having eaten his hat, cat and bat? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:46, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

UGHHUHUHUHH. Hafspajen (talk) 11:07, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

See? Always be careful making conditioned promises ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:00, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Lovely. You Gerda are a bad girl. I did not promised, did I? Now you probably will go on like this until I will fix it. There is a minor problem. I don't load images. Gosh, I am from 2009, basically still. Hafspajen (talk) 12:46, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

You misunderstood completely ;) - I meant the author guy promised too much (was sure the condition would not be met. Wish he had been right). You did the opposite, grumble but act, thank you! (We are discussed, did you know?) I will not do it again ;) - You don't have to load an image yourself if you get a link to an image from a lady or two, with a letter saying that it's ok to upload. My account was also born in 2009, did you see? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:03, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

What, we are discussed? Ok, try to convince the lady. Hafspajen (talk) 15:05, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Gerda I like your style. You make me do nice iteresting things. How very giving is to edit articles with you. I always learn something new whenever I do a new article together with you. How many did we already? Something about five? Like joking around with you too !!! And you are always teasing me... Hafspajen (talk) 21:58, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Do you like Kaiserschmarrn? Hafspajen (talk) 22:10, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

I like you, your help (4 articles so far, see my user page), Kaiserschmarrn and smoked revenge, in that order ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:13, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Ichthys is adopted as a Christian symbol.

Really? it feels like five. We sould do some nice Cristian article next. Hafspajen (talk) 22:18, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Go ahead. I have one in mind, but will not say which, you know why ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

• cook Helloooo? Yeees? No?? REally?. PöpcørnPöpcørnPöpcørnPöpcørnPöpcørnPöpcørnPöpcørn PöpcørnPöpcørnPöpcørn pöpöpöpöpöpöpöPöpcørn! Hafspajen (talk) 22:45, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

• PS. Yust comee me for by you to as by to say: Pöpcørn!

Ps. By the way, I have areal important thing to say: I likee lake a lookee too – on Wickedpedia - on the little Pöpcørn... eh? Pöpcørn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS I like Pöpcørn with the "little fishy fishy fish- little little crabby, shrympy"!Hafspajen (talk) 22:58, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

• Look above: pictöred, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:00, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

.Vad har blivit avbildad. Vår fader dyú som är i himlen, låt ditt namn bli helgad, låt ditt rike komma... Pater noster, qui es in caelis: sanctificetur nomem tuum; adveniat regnum tuum; fiat voluntas tua, sicut in caelo, et in terra. Panem nostrum cotidianum da nobis hodie; et dimitte nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris; et ne nos inducas in tentationem; sed libera nos a malo. Quia tuum est regnum, et potestas, et gloria i saecula. Hafspajen (talk) 23:17, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Amen on Sunday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:10, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Hey, I just remembered I have something really important to say!!!!!!!!! Pöpcørn! Sushy bowly shrimpy. Poppelicorn the srimpyy, i mickelyoweny iii little fishy dhrimpy shrimpy imm poppy oh poopelypopocorny hu, HELLOOO, YES+++ NOUÛU¨UUUUÛÛÛ^- shrippy shrippy popoycprny shrympy Hafspajen (talk) 11:26, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

• Hafspajen (talk) 10:03, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

What's for lunch? - Sunday hike was here, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:14, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

You know I love hiking? But you are very brave, I usually don't hike in wintertime. Eh, lunch..fish? or poppycpocorny? Hafspajen (talk) 11:01, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Did you read the article below the popcorn image high up? (written by 28bytes, as we know now, well written) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

shortcut, but the longer hike is worthwhile, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:23, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Ah, pooypycorny!!! Pöpcørny! magnificat Hafspajen (talk) 14:00, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

.Oh, Joy. Hafspajen (talk) 18:31, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

matching the link from Hope in the box on top nicely, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:33, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Exactly!!. Hafspajen (talk) 18:55, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Re: Precious

Thank you so much. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 17:58, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Precious

Hello, Gerda, and apologies for the delay in replying to your beautiful message on my talk page. To be honest, I was a bit overwhelmed! I love what you do, and how you help the community of Wikipedia editors to feel we are working in harmony on this amazing project. Delighted to meet you. — Hebrides (talk) 11:58, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Let me add my thanks and apologies for my delay in replying to your beautiful message on my talk page (Hope Hebrides doesn't mind me stealing his beautiful words....too good to improve upon...so I plagiarize....ach! tell no one!! :) Thanks Gerda! Dreadstar ☥ 00:01, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

What some call stealing, I call sharing. Nice to meet you again! Find your name when you open "blushing" above ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:06, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Bayerische Verfassungsmedaille

Blue linked! Can you copyedit? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:26, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Shall I db-author it? Don't want a crappy translation lingering around.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:07, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

I will look now, was at the theatre, - wondering if it should be merged with the opera house? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:09, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Yeah I noticed it seemed to be in the same building. I think it's probably OK separate if that's the case on de wiki?♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:17, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Theater is the organization, opera house is one of three stages (looks like another is in the same building, Werftstr. somewhere else), but for history of Theater we need facts from the house, - the house will be almost good for nothing then ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:23, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Back to the medal: I populated it with all blue links from de, mostly stubs, some decent articles. If you like you could add a bit of life data and short description, and of course expand the stubs, - I'm too tired, and have stuff tomorrow, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:52, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

If I could thank a "thank" then I would do so, but seeing as I can't, here's the longwinded effort ;) Cassianto (talk) 16:39, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I thank for the thank for the thank, not as longwinded as this title (mind the date, not quite true right now) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:45, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

As lovely as my destination was, It was there that I heard of another great editor leaving thanks to the people who laughingly call themselves Arbitrators. Cassianto (talk) 17:08, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Guess why I have sorrow on top? If you look for "drinking" on his talk, you see my problem grow, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:29, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

ps: in the box on top: the link goes from "just", not arbitrarily so, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:31, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Cross of Otto and Mathilde

The DYK project (nominate) 17:47, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Forglen House DYK

Thank you, Gerda, for very kindly fixing the hook and the article for Forglen House, also for reviewing it! I just wish our best article fixer was here to help. I (like many, many others) have always received nothing but kindness, help, encouragement and support from him - I wish he would come back, although I don't think it's going to happen. SagaciousPhil - Chat 09:54, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Look for two words in the box on top: "just" and "hope" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:56, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

ps: and look for "drinking" on his talk, or "revenge" above, - we do what we can, "quantum potes, tantum aude" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Wise words ... and yes, we can just hope; then perhaps we can all get back to building articles. SagaciousPhil - Chat 10:53, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

I decided more than a year ago that I would do that (I have a red category on my user page), regardless of other people, - I hope that Eric will come to the same independence. I almost broke it when 28bytes left, - but only for three days, then I translated his article to German ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:01, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Cippi of Melqart

Hey, thanks a lot for your help on the Cippi of Melqart hook, as well as for your suggestion re: references in the opening paragraph. The article is listed for a peer-review, I'll bring it up with the (eventual!) reviewer.

Thanks again! reuv ^T 10:29, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Theater Kiel DYK

Hi Gerda,

I reviewed the Theater Kiel DYK. It's good to go as is, but I suggested an alternate hook. Let me know what you think. Musically yours, 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 17:55, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Paco

Nooo!!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:00, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

More sorrow. Yesterday I added Anna Reynolds to my user, died 24 February. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Care to leave a tribute on my talk page about your experience of him on that summer's night?♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:29, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

It was beyond words ... (you can link to what I wrote then, archived.) - Are you in the mood for a cemetery? Where Tatjana Gsovsky rests, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:49, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Cemetery coming later! Irish parishes right now! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:07, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Waldfriedhof Zehlendorf, needs a fair bit of work..♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:31, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Theater Kiel

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:11, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Susanne Rosenberg

Hello! Your submission of Susanne Rosenberg at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 00:10, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Konstanze Vernon

Orlady (talk) 06:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

A good start on the eve of Women's History Month with many more in the pipeline.--Ipigott (talk) 06:33, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello Gerda. Thanks for your message and your comment. The wording "causing a sensation" in the article Andreas Scholl was already used, before I made any changes. But I do agree that this is not a encyclopedic wording and should be changed. --Blumenschloss (talk) 06:42, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, thank you, now I remember, there was much more in that article written by someone who adored every note ;) - Looking forward to more, we had the pleasure to have him sing for us in Messiah in 2011, - absolute silence in the audience in He was despised. See also interesting discussion last year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:39, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for...

... your wonderful message to me, awesome. Mick gold (talk) 13:26, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks from me too! Moisejp (talk) 07:41, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks so much for your award! I only ever received one, and by the time it came through I had slipped off into inactivity! Feeling preciously amused and awesome! :)

P.S. I need some slight help, if possible! I have corrected the French version of the article Cippi of Melqart, but I can't do the same with the German article (Ich kann kein Deutsch sprechen) - you see, there's the 'tradition' that these artefacts were found in Tas-Silg, Marsaxlokk, but this is not the case. I sourced and explained the controversy in the English article, and amended the French one, but can't do the same with the mistake on the German page.

reuv ^talk 16:33, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

"preciously amused" also ;) - I will look later, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:25, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

:) Thanks again! reuv ^talk 20:49, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

ps: remember Rigoletto in the Manoel Theatre, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

As my French is limited and I don't see your name in fr, can you tell me what should go to German with which source? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:09, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Edited it without an account, so you'll just see an IP removing the text on Tas-Silg and a summary in English to explain what was going on!

The text should be something along these lines: When the Greek inscription was published in the third volume of the Corpus Inscriptionum Graecarum in 1853, the cippi were described as discovered in the coastal village of Marsaxlokk. Before, their Marsaxlokk provenance had not been proposed by anyone, and it was more than a century later that the claim was discredited. The attribution to Tas-Silġ was apparently reached by inference, because the candelabra were thought, with some plausibility, to have been dedicated and set up inside the temple of Heracles.

Or you can just say that their origin is undocumented and put in this reference:

References

PS. Il Duca di Mantuaaa dice...la donna e' mobile, qual piuma al v-ento, mu-ta d'accento e d-ii pensier-o....

I tried. template refn is not supported there, so I left it with the first three sources. - Il Duca is wrong, of course, as the opera tragically shows, and of the people remembered in the box on top, there's only one female, - it's the man who leave, for strange reasons, "la donna e' stabile", I would say, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:09, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Stabile...like the improved Manoel Theatre article, you mean? (Thanks for removing the reference to Tas-Silg in the German Cippi of Melqart article!) reuv ^talk 09:46, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

BWV 172

No more red links!♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:50, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Excellent! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:58, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

The 100 DYK Nomination Medal

		The One Hundred DYK Nomination Medal
		Gerda, to mark this new milestone. "Light as a flight of tumbling birds was the dipping and soaring of her syllables." Moonraker (talk) 00:06, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations, Gerda! Chris Troutman (talk) 01:36, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

HOORAY! Way to go! Montanabw^(talk) 03:47, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

thank you, in light flight, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Well done!♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:04, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations. Oh, my gosh. You were really working. I think I am at my 5th... Hafspajen (talk) 12:25, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

I think you read that wrong, it's for nominations for others, something I am really proud of ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:31, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

No, I meant what i said Hafspajen (talk) 12:49, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

You meant you are at your 5th nomination for someone else? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:51, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

FAC

Its a tough ride no? Dont worry, its the same for all of us, it might feel like people are getting at you, but they are not, and have the best of intentions. Stress is part of the package at FAC but hang on in there. For my part I am delighted to see the nom, and will see it through. Ceoil (talk) 02:37, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Erschallet, ihr Lieder, - it's not a tough ride (unless something happened overnight that I don't know yet, I look at messages first, then Main page, thinking about Precious, then Watchlist, then Sunday, so may not be until much later today that I have time). So far I found ALL comments helpful and directed at a better article. I think of adding images of the relevant instruments, easy access to score examples right where something is described, and would love help in adding sound examples, something I never did, unsure of copyright. Thanks for singing along, I enjoy it! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:08, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Good for you. Its morning so BMV 147! Yesterday I went through the John and Matthew masses, but got stuck on Mache dich mein Herze rein as usual. Let me get some caffine and we can talk about samples. Ceoil (talk) 10:07, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Good motto, BWV 147 ;) - A cantata for today is shown on my user page, in the DYK section. I plan St John for Lent (no cantatas then, silent time). What do you think of actually writing Church cantata? "Disinfo" - applied to certain features - seems the correct description for Cantata, - may its authors forgive me.

BWV 172 FAC

Hi Gerda. I'm almost ready to support now, but there are three bullets from my review needing attention: Two of them are changes I made and asked for your approval -- could you look at them please? The other is the "however" question in the translation; I think Moonraker may have overlooked your reply about the Capell Musici. --Stfg (talk) 15:37, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Translation

Winner of this year's Grammy (originally called Gramophone Award) – or Grammy – is an accolade by the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences of the United States to recognize outstanding achievement in the music industry) in the category of classical album of the year became the composer Karin Rehnqvist, professor of composition at the Department of composition, conducting and music theory. She received the prize from Rector Cecilia Rydinger Alin, from the Royal College of Music, Stockholm who in the televised gala directed the male-voice choir Orphei Drängar, a new the classic price. "We are quite shy, composers, we don't take so much space," said Karin Rehnqvist in his acceptance speech.Then she went on jokingly: – But I would like to take this opportunity to thank the other nominated composers tonight: Mozart, Wagner and Stenhammar. They could not come. Karin Rehnqvist (born 1957) grew up in Nybro, Småland. In 1980, she got into or what, in Royal College of Music, Stockholm, trained as a music teacher and later of composition. Her breakthrough as a composer came with the composition Davids nimm in 1983 and since then she has made herself known in Sweden as well as internationally for both instrumental and vocal music. Among her most famous works, including the Cantata Sun song and several pieces of girls ' voices, Light of light for children's choir and orchestra and Concerto On a distant shore. 2009 Karin Rehnqvist was chosen as Sweden's first female professor of composition. The same year, she took the initiative to start the Organization KVAST (Female Accumulation of Swedish Composers). She was nominated for a Grammy Award already in 1996 for the composition David's nimm. See all the awards here:xxxxxxxxxx, some site. Hafspajen (talk) 16:54, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, will see what I can include. - Did you ask her and the other ladies for pictures? It would go where the pie is now, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:00, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

..Ah, I have to figure out how, she is living in Stokholm and I am in Lund. Hafspajen (talk) 17:02, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Did you know there's email? - I sang in Lund once, German Church. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:05, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

.What do you mean German Church, you travelled with them or a competition? Hafspajen (talk) 17:34, 3 March 2014 (UTC).

We travelled from a German church and sang a concert in the German Church in Lund, after one in the German Church in Copenhagen, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:00, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

• Is there a German Church in Lund? Where? I know there is one in Malmö. We used to sing with them sometimes. Hafspajen (talk) 18:01, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

• Long ago, don't remember, perhaps doesn't exist anymore. - Can you improve Grammis, so that she is shown? It's in her list of awards in Swedish. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:09, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

• sv:Grammisgalan 2007–2016? Gennerally Grammis is about pop and so. Like Timbuktu and Håkan Hellström and Jonny Jakobsen and his Rice & Curry. There are different categories, mostly pop and so. There is one category for classical music as they call it. Just one, the rest is pop. Hafspajen (talk) 18:54, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

• I think they changed, see http://grammis.se/nominerade/2014/, - I think all languages should be updated, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:46, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Gerda I am not going to open this link once again, I had to close down the computer to be able to get rid of it, just went on and multiplied all over the place, could be some shit connected with it or what. Hafspajen (talk) 21:17, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Don't know, it worked ok for me - as far as I know, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:20, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

ps: the above says she was Sweden's first professor of composition, that's even stronger than first of the KMH. I nominated her for the German Mainpage --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:23, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

.Try to fix som pictures. Hafspajen (talk) 22:14, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Pre-DYK nomination

Hi Gerda! (I miss your prescence on the WikiProjects - is the ban forever or just a year?). Yesterday I created a new article on little-known silent film composer Irénée Berge. Now I'm thinking of a good DYK hook. What do you think of this: Did you know that Irénée Berge wrote silent film music? Or this: Did you know that Irénée Berge, who came from France to teach at the National Conservatory of Music of America, wrote silent film music? -- Any comments most appreciated! and vielen Danke! -- kosboot (talk) 14:47, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Will look. I didn't leave the projects because of a restriction, but even before, to avoid conflict ;) - If you look at my articles, my interests didn't change, I took care of a singer who's article I created and who died recently, for example. Did you see that I even dared a FAC in the field, BWV 172? Today, related: a Bach publisher, you will meet him on DYK, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:52, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Looked, nice! I would mention Opera Corsica and Texas state song, - many readers will be US. Did you see my so far most successful German DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:57, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

(That stargazy pie is strange but funny! Congratulations!) For a DYK, how about (or is this too long): "Did you know that Irénée Berge, who came from France to teach at the National Conservatory of Music of America, wrote the opera Corsica, the song "Blue Bonnet" (the former state song of Texas), and silent film music?" -- kosboot (talk) 15:05, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

I translated the pie, as before Duck Attack! ;) - Shorten: how about "Did you know that Irénée Berge composed the opera Corsica and the song "Blue Bonnet" which became the Texas state song? Leave "silent film music" for readers to find out, unless you think it's particularly attractive, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, I think the silent film music is attractive. How about I leave out the opera and just have a combo of Texas state song and silent film music - odd/interesting combination. -- kosboot (talk) 15:21, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Sentimental me wants the opera, - look for "I love opera" on my user page ;) - "Did you know that Irénée Berge composed the opera Corsica, a song which became the Texas state song, and silent film music? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:25, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

I like that! Although I don't want to submit that since you created it. But you can submit it, if you have time. :) -- kosboot (talk) 15:41, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Done, and added here, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:42, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks (I didn't wish to make you do the DYK nomination, but since you figured out the good statement..). Hopefully I'll be able to get better at doing these things. And thanks for showing me that list of composers! -- kosboot (talk) 20:00, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Not quite sure what I've done to deserve your very kind comment on my talkpage, nor do I believe I can even do something as nice, but I thought I'd let you know I appreciate it! Thanks so much; very kind of you. Λuα (Operibus anteire) 16:05, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, sweet! I thought I told you precisely what you did ;) - missing a friend whom I miss for the third time, Precious #3, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:21, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Many thanks! kosboot (talk) 20:01, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

thanks, goes well with the cookie, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:04, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

help with Bach

no, not *that* Bach, a relative. I translated Johann Lorenz Bach from the German article. Or a least I think I did, my German is atrocious. Would you be so kind as to check my accuracy, for the sake of the Bach family reputation, if not for me? (grin). Many thanks as always. 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 04:16, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much. You also added in the sentence which was beyond my comprehension, going above and beyond. Truly appreciated. 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 15:31, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Cannot find your musician

Siegfried blows his horn (1911) by Arthur Rackham, from Siegfried and the Twilight of the Gods by Richard Wagner

Dear Gerda. Good morning! Thank you for correcting removing my indent.
Re- "- Again a musician who's article I wrote died, see my user page. - " you will have to lead me to the name, please. Much searching to no avail. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 11:00, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I see, I cleaned my user page for Lent, no cantata music then ;) - and Anna Reynolds came with a Bach cantata, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:13, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. English and 83. I had been anticipating a younger person. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 11:20, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Some of the others were English and old also, (in the order of creation:) Richard Adeney, Hugh Maguire, Franz Kelch, Franz Lehrndorfer, Alfred Planyavsky, and this is not counting those whom I created because they died, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:15, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello Gerda/Gareth. Am unable to find any date for Anna's marriage to Jean Cox. But apparently they met at Bayreuth where they then lived until the end of their lives. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:31, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Good evening Martin Odd that,isn't it? [15] — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 22:59, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

...well, no, that sounds pretty normal for old "Dick the Ring". Martinevans123 (talk) 23:03, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Hmm. Seems we cannot keep one of Hpj's predecessors, the Volsung, out of this thread. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 23:19, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Wait a minute. My predecessors made hatts not opera. Happyjee (talk) 00:13, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Waking up to a horn call: thank you, blowers! "Weiche, Wotan, weiche", as Anna Russell explains, means: "'Be careful, Wotan, be careful.' She then bears him eight daughters." - Please look at the discussion on Dick's talk and tell me what you think of it (and the image). (In real life, I have a friend called Dick who plays horn.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:00, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Am I being dense?—Who is "Dick"?
(aside) Blowers is my nickname for our friend — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 10:18, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

What is dense? (in this sense) - There's a link with Dick above (the one "very brave, very strong, very handsome, very stupid", even pictured), and a discussion on the talk. I had a lot of fun discussing, but it's possibly what got me the reputation of "battleground". What do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:46, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I mean slow-witted. I thought you were referring to Martin's "Dick the Ring" above! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 12:41, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

You must be really slow-witted, because yes I was, not to him, to his Dick (to make things worse, trying to stay serious), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:46, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

... and to make matters worse, it was I who posted the [even] picture[d] yesterday ... — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 12:52, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Back to the my question: How do you like the discussion? - I am looking for someone brave (or stupid) to add an infobox to Waldfriedhof Zehlendorf (example pictured), because it's creator whom I would normally ask is absent (you saw his memory on top of the page - link from "just", the cemetery article was written with Paco in mind), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:07, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

I understand fully.
I enjoyed the reading the discussion.
I have noticed that more often than not, the two adjectives combine to read ... for someone brave AND stupid to ...
Do you have anyone in mind, I wonder(?) — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 13:22, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

You mean in mind for category "brave and stupid"? No. None of my esteemed page watchers. Brave? No, not in mind, but we will see. Did you know Der Handschuh? ... dropping glove among the wild beasts, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Done. - Next glove, same history (absent friend started, I continued and completely forgot): Victor Bruns, infobox and warning on the talk, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:55, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Waldfriedhof Zehlendorf

Hello! Your submission of Waldfriedhof Zehlendorf at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! CeeGee 20:02, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Re:Precious

Thanks for the message. I'm not that active anymore, but it's always great to know that people find my edits useful. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 21:21, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thank you for being so kind. :)

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:16, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Meow

Thanks for appreciating my sense of humor. Mostly, it'll be misunderstood, I'm sure. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:45, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

I think I am an expert in being misunderstood - and humour is the only weapon against it, - see my infobox ;) - what do you think of my first FAC? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:26, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

I think it's a really good #1 FAC and I hope it becomes an FA. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:02, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Re: Mom & me

Hook has been pulled and is back at Template talk:Did you know. --Allen3 ^talk 11:59, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, appreciated, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:01, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Waldfriedhof Zehlendorf

Orlady (talk) 08:02, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Birgit Keil

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Ewa Ziarek

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

The Piano

	The Musical Barnstar
	Music.............................................................................................................................................. Hafspajen (talk) 17:11, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, piano to philosophy ;) - what do you think of the hook that I nominated (above)? - Lena Willemark has an image now, did you see, waiting for expansion ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:54, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Alfred Dörffel

Allen3 ^talk 10:34, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Possible DYK

Hi Gerda, you might remember me from such Teutonic articles as Erich Kettelhut. I have just put some work into the Weimar Republic masterpiece The Mistress of the World, but I really don't have the time to push it for DYK. You or a Project member may have more of an interest in pushing this article, or just improving or linking it further. ...or maybe you may just enjoy the article. Yours FruitMonkey (talk) 21:42, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Ida Boy-Ed

Ida Boy-Ed may interest you. If you're busy with other things, no worries. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:58, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

It did, and ran into edit conflict, - will wait a bit until trying again to get locations out the first bracket, highlight works, format years and translate German to "ed.", "No." and "p." again ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:16, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I came across Ida as a redlink at Paulina Lebl-Albala, another woman's bio which until now, had been missing from wikipedia. On another note, I hope you take time today to bask in the wonderfulness of your solo FA; congratulations, Gerda. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:24, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, it doesn't take time ;) - I am writing a Bach cantata - in German, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:28, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Susanne Rosenberg

Allen3 ^talk 18:13, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Noch mehr

Milkunderwood (talk) 23:24, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

FA congratulations

Just a quick note to congratulate you on the promotion of Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172 to FA status recently. I know you know all about WP:TFAR and the "pending" list, so this is just a reminder to use them as and when suits you. Many thanks. Bencherlite^Talk 10:27, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, your comment makes me even prouder! Date for this one: the centenary of the first performance is 20 May, but it was written for Pentecost, performed on various dates whenever that was. It would make more sense to me to have it on Pentecost, 8 June, nothing pending yet. What do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:38, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Sounds good. We might have a religious weekend with Wells Cathedral the previous day to mark the new bishop's enthronement. Bencherlite^Talk 10:55, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

May I add my warm congratulations, dear Gerda? Excellent news, and thoroughly merited. Tim riley (talk) 10:29, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Tim, for support in general and diligent spotchecks, unafraid of German, in particular, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:38, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Can I add my congrats to the above? A thoroughly deserved and welcome addition to our FAs! - SchroCat (talk) 09:57, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Sure, thank you for good ideas in the peer review, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:21, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

An award for you!

	The J.S. Bach Award of Excellence
	A hearty congratulations on promoting Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172, your first solo effort and success at FA. It's lovely to see and I'm glad to see your hard work has paid off!! Hope to see many more at FAC. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:34, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Thank you for the award (but could we have the young Bach image from the article, even if disputed?)! Thank you also for a GA review that thawed a frozen condition. I plan more, but slowly so, always telling another section of his life, certainly BWV 76, his second in Leipzig, for June 2015. Or should I try BWV 22, test piece for Leipzig, in between? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:48, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Like Montanabw^(talk) 02:35, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Granted! A long term goal could be to get all of the articles up to GA at least. I'm planning a similar thing with Academy Award winning films. Haha although there's rather a LOT of cantatas to do... Maybe 5-10 GAs and 3 FAs would be a better short term goal.. Happy to review any of them, although I might have to ask you to review a few of mine!♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:17, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, refreshing. I didn't count the GAs, several, including the two mentioned above. More long term: one of the chorale cantatas (second cycle, perhaps BWV 125), then BWV 39 from the third cycle, Mass in B minor, St Matthew Passion. Short term: improve St John Passion and Baroque instruments. Another small goal: have consistent infoboxes for the articles for which I was the major contributor, missing in BWV 138 (discussed here), I need help. (I don't know if I will live to see a long-term goal achived: a consistent appearance for the readers.) As for reviewing in return: I happily read and comment in PR and FAC (see Enid Blyton), but leave GA to others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:30, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

And my long term related goal could be to blue link all the red links in the cantata articles :-]♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:11, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

That would be a never-ending task, because once they grow there will be more. Did you see that I "blued" three myself for this one, two publishers and a hymn? A list of all the hymns that Bach used, as cantata movements or chorale preludes, might be another goal, - with many red links first. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:22, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I hadn't noticed, nope. Well, I don't think we'll ever run out of topics to write about on here...♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:50, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Not ever, agreed. I added the fact that Bach composed cantatas in Weimar to his article, - it wasn't mentioned so far. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:58, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Berlin State Opera

Please review my edit and my edit summary. Art LaPella (talk) 15:10, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Good. There was confusion what Berliner Staatsballett and Berlin State Ballet mean, but DYK is probably not the way to clarify that (that the term was used before 2004 I mean), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:17, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Irénée Berge DYK

Hola! And a template, too. I'm just notifying you since you nominated it, but perhaps you'll let the creator know if appropriate?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 14:59, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Irénée Berge

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A question

Hi Gerda, I had a small question. On Gandydancer's talk page, you mentioned this: "1) expand 5 times (seems tough), 2) nominate and claim flu". What did the second point mean? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 16:13, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Steffi Scherzer

The DYK project (nominate) 17:37, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Theodore Katsanevas

Gerda, it is always inappropriate to add an icon to someone else's review. If you want to make your own review and add an icon, that's fine. If you want to query someone as to whether they meant to add an icon and ask them to add it, that's also fine.

ColonelHenry had expressed doubts in other areas earlier. It may be that he thinks that ALT7 is fine even though those issues remain, or that he's satisfied that the issues have been settled or don't really matter. We don't know, and unless and until he places an icon himself, we can't be sure. In the meantime, please refrain from putting DYK icons for anyone other than yourself. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:56, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought I understood him, but you know better, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:45, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Beautiful Demoiselle

Would you be willing to clean up the translation here? I want to run this in POTD, but the quality of the language is subpar. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:34, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

• The original language was German. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:34, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, probably not today, then vacation, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:36, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

ps: I looked, and how right you are. What I would do is comment out all questionable sentences (hoping that some will stay). Gross typos, German untranslated words, a lot of work. Best advice: ask the related project(s), I wouldn't know the proper terms in biology, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks, I'll try to ping them. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:25, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

WP:FOUR for Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172

		Four Award
		Congratulations! You have been awarded the Four Award for your work from beginning to end on Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:55, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:55, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:58, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Jauchzet, frohlocket! Loud cheers. Tim riley (talk) 21:28, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

I wanted to thank everyone in the great team to achieve this individually, but do it here, going on vacation, with sporadic access, - take care! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:21, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Congrats on getting this article through FA and a well-deserved FOUR award...just to let you know, you can put a little top icon for FA, GA, and Four on your user page by posting somewhere on your user page:

• For the FA star: {{FA user topicon|article_name=Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172|date=13 March 2014|icon_nr=1}}
• For the FOUR award: {{Top icon|imagename=Four Award.svg|wikilink=Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172|description=This user earned a Four Award for work on Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172.|icon_nr=1}}

Just don't forget to change the "icon_nr=" parameter as needed. Good Job, Gerda. I very much enjoy your continued work on the Bach Werke and other musical gems.--ColonelHenry (talk) 22:04, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! I will have one top icon, like a friend in the group "who have just given up", - all FAs are mentioned below, some in the infobox ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 04:54, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Irénée Berge

Hello! Your submission of Irénée Berge at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! — Maile (talk) 12:17, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for The Mistress of the World

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:02, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

spelling corrections

Regarding [16] [17], you may be assuming that, because the material was in quotation marks, the misspelling existed in the original source. From my reading of [18], this is not the case; misogyny is spelled correctly. Since this is a clear error of fact, I will be restoring the spelling corrections. DavidLeighEllis (talk) 05:34, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Lucy Crowe

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Tatjana Gsovsky

The DYK project (nominate) 08:01, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

re Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties promoted to Featured Article

Thank you for your kind words about Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties.

I'm not really participating much these days at DYK stuff, so I'll respectfully defer to the community about that.

Yes, I nominated Thaddeus Stevens to TFAR, I think it's most educational for our readers in light of recent films 12 Years a Slave (film) and of course Lincoln (2012 film).

Thanks again for your kind encouragement of my quality improvement projects,

— Cirt (talk) 22:37, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. DYK activity or not, some people think if someone said something negative about another living person, that is a fact that can be told, especially if it fills the news, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:17, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

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Lucia Lacarra

Hi Gerda! I'm still concentrating on my female dancers. You might be interested in one of the stars of the Bavarian Ballet, Lucia Lacarra, I've just discovered. Although she comes from Spain, she has been dancing in Munich for the past 12 years. Maybe you would like to expand the article on the basis of German coverage.--Ipigott (talk) 17:23, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm on vacation and want to expand Pina Bausch ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:30, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Enjoy yourself and don't work too hard.--Ipigott (talk) 21:16, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Structure of compositions

Hello, Gerda! I've read both The Creation structure and St Matthew Passion structure and was about to do the same with Canto Ostinato. Do you think I should create a new article or should I embed a wikitable in Canto Ostinato? I'm already doing some tests at my sandbox. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 22:05, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

You can embed it without the article getting too long, and you are in no conflict with yourself ;) - For The Creation, I created jumping back and forth from one article to the other. There are more, Messiah structure and Mass in B minor structure. The last has the most advanced table, thanks to Curly Turkey, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:16, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

The table is Mass in B minor structure is indeed very good. I don't think my table is going to get that complex at all. Thank you. :) Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 22:59, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

It's because the piece is indeed very good and complex ;) - Working on St John Passion, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:18, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

That looks awesomely complex. Congratulations. :) Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 00:12, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

That's the beginning (based on German, so far I didn't do much), my Lenten project, no cantatas during Lent, did you know? - Different question: what do you think of this? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:10, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

I honestly thought that decision was unwarranted when I first read it. Did he give you any kind of explanation? I don't know how the Arbitration Committee functions. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 09:01, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

The arbitration committee functions like this: people disagree on a topic, let's say infoboxes. Arbitration tries to diminish the conflict, in this case they found the easy solution to restrict two very active contributors in the field, Andy and me. Andy can't add any infobox, I can add one only to articles which I created. Let's better not discuss if these restrictions make any sense, or help our readers. They sure help protecting articles from infoboxes, up to a certain point. I had honestly forgotten that I had not "created" - in the strict sense the arbitrators understand - Polish Requiem. (I was the main contributor, back in 2010.) You are not restricted ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:20, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

I can reinstate it later in the day, don't worry about that. :) However, I don't know what to do if it gets taken down again. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 10:03, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Then it'd be a matter to coming to a consensus on the talk page—if it's a classical page, though, the consensus could possible show up from "nowhere" to ensure the consensus stays on one side, though that doesn't always for them (see Talk:Harry Partch). Curly Turkey (gobble) 10:47, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

(ec) No, don't do that, you would be "subject to wiki-torture and sanctions by The Committee" ;) - no, just add a short infobox to every article YOU create, simply "composer (pictured if possible) / genre / time of composition", giving readers an idea at a glance that some strange Hungarian or Polish title is a composition (could be a book, play, you name it) of a certain time, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:56, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

ps: Some think that classical music is against infoboxes, that is wrong. There are editors who believe that biographies should be without them (typical argument: we won't box Bach, - as if his spirit was damaged if we mentioned his data of birth and death). Compositions, however, have had infoboxes at least since 2007, not much contention there. Look at my latest FA (just above) and all the structure articles (guess why I had to write them as separate articles), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:23, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

I can add them, but it usually takes me more time IRL than it should. Is there a tool (a form-like tool, maybe?) to add them more easily? Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 13:23, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Once you have one for a composer, with his image, copy from one work to the next. More formally: {{infobox musical composition}}, with some basic parameters on top, complete below. Keep it simple ;) (I am not restricted to add parameters to an existing infobox.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:41, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Perfect, I will try to add infoboxes not only in new articles, but also in some others that I've created but in which I haven't placed an infobox yet. Please, be patient with me and chastise me if you ever need to. Thank you very very much, Gerda! Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 00:18, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

The one thing I learned on Wikipedia was patience ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:24, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Irénée Berge

Orlady (talk) 08:57, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

Happy Name Day 23 mars !!! It is Gerd and Gerda in Sweden... (Swedish name day list of 2001) Hafspajen (talk) 23:17, 23 March 2014 (UTC) Thank you, so sweet! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:35, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

WP Germany in the Signpost

The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Germany for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. –Mabeenot (talk) 02:35, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Done, thanks for the opportunity ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:46, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

"Akademische Orchestervereinigung"?

Hi Gerda. This article was created back in 2004, but was speedily deleted today as a non-notable amateur organization. Do you know of it? Do you think it could be worth an article? Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 11:47, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't know, would be helpful to have a link to what was deleted, Jena? Göttingen? The term in general? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Göttingen:

The Akademische Orchestervereinigung (AOV) is the local orchestra of Göttingen, Germany. The AOV was organized by a collective of local students and other amateur musicians to bring high-quality music to the community. AOV usually gives four concerts per year.

An egalitarian organization, the AOV elects its own conductor, which as of July 2003 is Thomas-Michael Gribow. The orchestra specializes in the performance of classical art music as well as lighter, accessible contemporary music. Since 1991, the orchestra has performed the works of Beethoven, Bizet, Prokofiev, Lutosławski, Weber, Mendelssohn, Schubert, Bernstein, Wagner, Brahms, Henze and more. It gave the world premiere of the "Overture to 'The Bad Room'" by American composer Justin Rizzo-Weaver.

Categories: German musical group stubs, Orchestra stubs, German orchestras, Göttingen

Found now at http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:sMmEUnYr60MJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akademische_Orchestervereinigung -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:06, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

… and at http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Akademische_Orchestervereinigung . -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:12, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, worth saving, more than 75 years of tradition, appeared in 1935 under Fritz Lehmann at the Handel Festival, so says Partenope. Göttingen should be added to an article name. I have other projects right now, but could help, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:21, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Now at Akademische Orchestervereinigung Göttingen. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:41, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Excellent! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:55, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Flappy down

Hi Gerda, I moved Flappy Bird down DYK Stats due to the fact it was receiving significant views apart from DYK. Thanks, Matty.007 18:37, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for extra fairness, - we didn't move Kafka down ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:45, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't quite understand what you're saying. Matty.007 18:51, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

In my infobox, follow the link on Kafka. Most of the amazing hits for the most successful TFA so far were not because it was TFA but because of the google doodle that day, - we simply enjoyed the coincidence, also could not tell what share google brought exactly, while you see the views the day before and after. Kafka's birthday was a great day, - I miss PumpkinSky, see on top of this page, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:20, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Oh wow, yes. How many hits does an average TFA get? Thanks, Matty.007 20:19, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Average 30k, I think, - there are statistics but I am normally not so interested ;) - yesterday 12.5k, before 24.5k, before 10k, - so I may have thought too high, wait, Fuck had 27k, Jimi Hendrix 63,5k, - all have high hits the three days after appearing, because the links are still on the Main page, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

ps: here's the official statistic, with links to former years, Wikipedia:Today's featured article/Statistics, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:37, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

OK, thank you. Matty.007 17:09, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Nadine Secunde

Thanks for this article Victuallers (talk) 19:18, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Appreciated!

Hi Gerda! Your sapphire has been much appreciated all year. It's one of only three wiki awards I've ever received! DYK, I still shudder at the name Josiah Gregg? HUGS!! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:57, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Gwendolyn Killebrew

Hi, Gerda. When you added Gwendolyn Killebrew to Killebrew (surname), you described her as American. However, on her page you catted her as German. I just thought that you'd like to remain consistent.Hoops gza (talk) 22:47, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

She lives in Germany, and worked there most of her life, should probably have both in description and cat. (Sorry, it was a bit of a rush job.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:51, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Re: Symphony number 8

That's an interesting question - I added it because it is listed that way in the template. Perhaps it shouldn't be there either. Cheers! bd2412 T 22:49, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

If you look at the history of the article and the template, you see what was going on. Thank you for pointing out the template problem. Czechoslovakia didn't even exist when it was composed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:54, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Conductors?

Hi Gerda, I saw your thanks for the list of conductors that I put together in my sandbox. I don't see much value in it, apart from getting a bot to add a 'conductor (musical)' cat to all of the entries. I'm likely to delete it -- unless you want to take it/ copy it? Best, Scarabocchio (talk) 11:24, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

I misclicked, I wanted to thank you for updating the winners of the Siemens prize ;) Thank you! Nice to meet you here, - I am busy with a few opera singers related to Jahrhundertring, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:59, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Bach alert

St Matthew Passion at Peterborough Cathedral Saturday 29 March. I will be there. Brianboulton (talk) 15:20, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Read St Matthew Passion structure ;) - St John beginning. Gardiner will conduct the Mass in B minor in our area on 25 March 2015. I hope to be there. - Enjoy! - Will get to Imogen eventually, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:37, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Königsbrück-Ruhland Heaths

Liebe Gerda, ich verstehe deinen Kommentar nicht. Wie weiß wikidata, ein interwiki zu machen wenn wir das nicht zuerst selbst eingeben? (Nebenbei, gut dass du noch aktiv bist!) Gruß. --Bermicourt (talk) 21:58, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

For this one, I just did it: You go to the German article, click on "Links bearbeiten" (left, below "Andere Sprachen"), then add, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:02, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! A gift from fellow Wikipedians.

You have been selected to receive a merchandise giveaway. We last contacted you on 3/19/14. Please send us a message if you would like to claim your shirt. --JMatthews (WMF) (talk) 07:00, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you I was too busy with content, and will politely decline on your talk, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:11, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for moving the cemetery

Thank you for moving Alter Friedhof, Bonn to the correct place. I feel a little foolish because I didn't realize there was a German Wikipedia entry for it until after I had written the article. I guess my article can serve as a sort of place-holder until someone translates the other one. Brianyoumans (talk) 02:30, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Several points:

1. Move: no problem. German is difficult, changing the look of the adjective when the article is missing.
2. Article that exists elsewhere: It happened to me the same, when I created Anna Reynolds (singer) (RIP). Who would have thought that an English singer had an article in the German Wikipedia first. Recently I found (and created) two German singers who have no article in German - but in Spanish. Google first ;)
3. Your article may even be better ;)
4. Take from the other article what you think would improve "yours".
5. I recently created an article in German (in progress) knowing that there is one in English, but independently, waiting for display on their Main page for Easter, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:48, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Norma Sharp

The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for the message on my talk page, regarding Wormshill and others, much appreciated Dick G (talk) 18:31, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you for the kind words. Cla68 (talk) 06:31, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Hannelore Bode

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

A suggestion

Thank you for your kind words a while back about Gerhard Fischer (diplomat). It occurred to me that Elizabeth Vomstein, mentioned in that article, might have been equally deserving of the Gandhi Peace Prize with Fischer (maybe some gender discrimination going on?). Anyway, I thought you might like to have a go at a DYK for her? Just a thought. --NSH001 (talk) 08:32, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but not soon, some other projects are in the making (and late) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:53, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your efforts!

		The Original Barnstar
		Your name came up on a Wikipediocracy thread about solid content writers who don't get the credit they deserve and I just wanted to drop by and do a little of that. Thanks for your work on behalf of The Project! Carrite (talk) 15:28, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Interesting, - I thought I got all the credit that I deserve, from infoboxes criminal and battlefield warrior to angel and excellence (just open "blushing" above). But thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:33, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Gwendolyn Killebrew

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Neue Deutsche Härte

Hi Gerda, there's a question over at WP:RD/L on which you may be able to advise, although I realise it's not really your kind of music! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:43, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Hardness - both sound and personal - is fine as a translation, they found that ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:27, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes I think they did. Surprised we have no article yet for German Hard Trance! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:06, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

... St Matthew Parkplatz?? In our papers today: [19]! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:40, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

better park here, working on St John. They blew up the Paulinerkirche, see above, what do we expect? Respect? - How would you describe the difference between hard and tough? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Hahaha, musique concrète? I was thinking of dropping a note at about that petition at Talk:Johann Sebastian Bach, as it involves Günter Blobel and J. M. Coetzee. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:51, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Blobel came up in Paulinerkirche already, - the Bach talk was highly active a year ago, a friend left, concretely, sad, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Really? wow! By the way.... "Happy JH Day"! [20] Martinevans123 (talk) 22:02, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Really. Reading it again: a lot of truth. And only one of many. - But there's the Creation, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:06, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Now that does look like a gem of an article! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:12, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

That's the mass we'll sing for Easter,- how did you know. We - the group pictured in my infobox. (Did you know who cropped the image for me?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Haha. Wow, just the alignment of The Planets, I guess! But do tell ... Martinevans123 (talk) 22:30, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

not an April Fool's request

Hi. I understand you are very knowledgeable about various aspects of classical music. Can you recommend a piece of classical music (or movement or whatever the terms are) that would be appropriate to listen to now when one's heart is broken and their spirit crushed by the failure of romantic love? This is not for me directly, of course - I am asking on behalf of...a "friend" :( The music should be especially sad and/or melancholy but not angry or bombastic (overall, I mean). Thank you for any suggestions you might make. Thanks. JDanek007^Talk 07:41, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Jdanek007: The best tune I can think of for that is the Moonlight Sonata, although the saddest song I can think of is by Johannes Brahms, his Opus 18 Sextet No. 1 in B-flat major - 2. Andante ma moderato. Chris Troutman (talk) 07:59, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Hard to say without knowing for whom, and the one's musical taste. Winterreise is a monologue by someone experiencing the same, but it might be the opposite of helpful. Mahler songs come to mind also. The so-called Moonlight sonata is rather serene in comparison, - but that may actually be more helpful. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:25, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for your suggestions. I do not have a sophisticated understanding or appreciation for "classical" music, as I have not actively cultivated my listening preferences for the "genre", but I usually find "classical" music in general to be reasonably appealing - save for the most bombastic moments. As a student I attended several performances of our local symphony and quartets, and I remember feeling an affinity for some of the works of Dvořák, though I do not recall the specific details. Thank you again for your time. JDanek007^Talk 17:08, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

The second movement of his 9th symphony could have the right feeling for your friend, - he was kind of homesick. Look for his name on my user page, - I heard his 8th symphony in a desolate mood, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:14, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for this suggestion. I will pursue it. Warmest regards, JDanek007^Talk 18:50, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Frosh

Yuck, is Frosh Frog legs? Hafspajen (talk) 12:58, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Jump to it, BracketBot! lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:11, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Marty, just because Bracket bot wants to kiss you all the time, no need to be so...xxxspiteful....Hafspajen (talk) 13:16, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Looking forward to kissing his legs (with garlic, on skewers... think there is a special name.... Haha. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:22, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Bracket bot wants to kiss me sexy bean, but gets only a rose. Any help for the failed romance above? - Look for passion on top and follow to my sandbox, - if Creation is a gem, what's my Passion? (... and it's only the beginning) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

(...gulp) all sounds a bit risky to me, madam. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:29, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

The passion with its talk about prison and freedom is certainly somewhat "risky" and sounds great, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:45, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

You all will need brooms. In the broadest possible sense, broomfighting is the art and science of armed combat against April frogs, leaving indecent messages, and is involving cleaning, dusting or antiseptic weapons directly manipulated by hand, shot or thrown (in other words, brooms, dusters, sponges, mops, dual brooms, and so on). Very similar to its sister sport fencing, it involves the use of non-lethal cleaning objects to strike opponnents and consequently claim victory. In contemporary common usage, broomfighting tends to refer specifically to the American School of Broomsmanship.Hafspajen (talk) 14:09, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

No, I don't, I didn't receive a single indecent message in my wiki-life, instead kisses by the bracket bot, offer of a t-shirt (declined) and acknowledgement as content editor, a rare thing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:20, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Arh. One has to kiss a lot of princes, at Wikipedia, before one finds a real frog. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:20, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

You could also look for user names, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:22, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

AW, he's free. Givme thatdusters, sponges, mops...Dust My Broom. Hafspajen (talk) 15:28, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

I freely wrote another paragraph, what do think, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:42, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Carambafrogs singing in the night... ..see Caramba. Hafspajen (talk) 15:44, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Your words of support could not have come at a better time. 842U (talk) 15:01, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Glad to hear that :) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:18, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Your note on the Signpost interview

Hello again, I'm a bit confused. We started using ";" at the beginning of interview questions about a year ago when an interview respondent told me that ";" would format better for screen readers than the normal method of bolding text. What is the preferred method? –Mabeenot (talk) 03:40, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Best talk to RexxS and Graham87, I heard it from them, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:37, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) See H:DL. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:11, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the useful link! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:07, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

The final article uses semicolons for questions followed by colons for each response, so our current method should follow the example in the linked help page. –Mabeenot (talk) 01:36, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

That is fine. I suggest you present a colon for the first response of a single question, and/or write a short guide for people like me who fill an interview for the first time. When I wrote my answers I was not even aware that this was not an individual questionnaire. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:05, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

hmm

"the last one" would be the last on the list. "the latest one" would be the most recent. Just a thought while you are still tweaking the interview. Agathoclea (talk) 09:47, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Is this To romantic?

Gerda, Weihnachtsschmuck Engel

Hafspajen (talk) 17:30, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

no, the other Christmas comes to mind, and the other angel, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Sigh... Hafspajen (talk) 00:14, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, also for the exquisite cake. (moved beautiful image, - no image under a header for me please, even if TFA does it every day, and no more sighs, you saw "he who speaks a word of consolation" on my user page) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:28, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

• Why no images under a header, little angel? Hafspajen (talk) 13:14, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Formally: it was in the MoS, perhaps still is, makes sense to me: after a heading, the reader's eye is used to find text from left to right, doesn't "want" to travel to the right for the start. To see the difference: compare any of the nominations to the last one, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:32, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

• Indeed. Have you tried to look at one of the pages at some arabic site? Feels weird. They read it from right to left.Hafspajen (talk) 13:41, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Look, I am so proud (and confess that a friend from Israel helped). Above, it's the last two noms to admire, in free style. Both appeared, not like that, of course, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:23, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Saw your name, but the rest is - well, I haven't studied stis language, but the ancient Greek. Hafspajen (talk) 20:30, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

It's Hebrew, and I inserted an image (the second), needed help especially for the caption ;) - Just had dinner with helper and wife (German) and their friend (from Tennessee), sitting outside above Johannisberg, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Cherry madeira cake

	Cherry madeira cake
	Cherry madeira cake from the Cosey Corner for you Hafspajen (talk) 05:13, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Kafka

Hi Gerda, and I hope I'm finding you well today. Could you check the last five edits on FK. A user seems to be trying to bloat the further reading list, which I don't see as a good idea. Also, there has been an addition to the bibliography but I can't see where this source provides a cite. I didn't revert as I wasn't sure so thought I'd check first. Do these edits appear to you to be constructive? Cassianto^talk 17:05, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for watching the half-orphan, I will look, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Looks acceptable to me (I personally don't mind added reading, even if not used as a ref), - I asked the other also, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

No problem. Cassianto^talk 09:16, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Eike Wilm Schulte

Your help is appreciated by the DYK project and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 08:02, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Vielen Dank!

Gerda, thank you so much for the Precious prize. Ich finde Gefallen an, mit Ihnen bei DYK usw. zu arbeiten. Auch ist Ihre Arbeit sehr Wilkommen! 97198 (talk) 08:12, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Danke! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:15, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Re:

Sorry, I think that slipped my mind to do something when I first saw it. I have now clarified the Bach line to refer to the tune as the source says was what he used. Also there appears to be a few reasonable compromise hooks at Template:Did you know nominations/All Glory, Laud and Honour. I personally prefer ALT1 but could I ask if you could restore the green tick there please? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 14:56, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Also regarding Template:Did you know nominations/Jesus Christ is Risen Today, I am fine with the alt hook, can you re-add the tick? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:09, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Say it in the nom, and let's see what the critic says. I believe that nobody who doesn't believe will be converted by a DYK hook, or someone who does be irritated by the question mark. - Did you notice my problem with the other hook, regarding English vs. Latin. I want to avoid a formal question symbol. Do you have an answer? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:30, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

The LAtin is already in the article and I don't think there is enough sources for the latin for it to have it's own page. Also, it uses Triumphal entry into Jerusalem for that is what the wiki page calls it. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:49, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

We are not talking about the same thing. The hook suggests that the hymn is sung in English during the emperor's time, I find that misleading, but may be the only one ;) - I actually doubt that we need the English article at all, when most of it covers legend and history of the Latin for which we have an article to which that info could be merged, but again I may be the only one. - I questioned the "triumphal" on that article's talk in 2011, but don't have the time to ask again. It seems not biblical. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:59, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Thx

Thank you very much for that beautiful image of the rock from Yogo Gulch. I respond a bit more at my talk page.Anythingyouwant (talk) 20:52, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

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What language do you understand? I said I can't, it's too hard ;) - need sleep, ... read the article, see if you understand that, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:57, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

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O world, see hear your life. BB (beloved bot), learn your next lessons: no left images under a header, if you love me, a frame please, and avoid redundancy, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:39, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

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Without a hard heart, you can't survive here. Do you know why the men leave and the women, left behind, have to do the work, in the name of a better women/men ratio? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

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HM? Her majesty? Humble minister? Honest musician? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:19, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

• User:BracketBot informs you: I like you best. I'll' be back for your Jägermeister soon. .BracketBot (talk) 20:28, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

thank you for that important message (trying to stay serious) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:03, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Lovely image. I tried also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:22, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Schottengymnasium

Started, can't link with German wiki though♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:38, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

found it linked, - thank you, met some people ... - no interest in the politicians, don't know the terms, best look at articles and copy from there, - anybody can do that ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:39, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

It was red linked in that article you said about.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:36, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

you asked for red links - that everlasting DYK article has plenty, and I could add to Planyavsky ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:39, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Carmen Reppel

The DYK project (nominate) 10:06, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks....

...for your kind words and acknowledging the one-year anniversary of your award! Time flies when you're editing Wikipedia! Viva-Verdi (talk) 14:40, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

yes, indeed, and it's kind of strange that I "created" a new Wagner opera ;) - see above, over night, expansion welcome, while I am back to Bach for the Holy Week --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:56, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Re Precious again

Thank you very much. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 19:57, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Michael Weiße

slakr^\ talk / 10:44, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Christian Heinrich Postel

slakr^\ talk / 18:27, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Email

Hello Gerda. I sent you an email today. I am curious to know if it arrived, or perhaps needs to be re-sent. Ultimately I am anxious to see your reply. Best regards.—John Cline (talk) 20:58, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Lovely, replied, will do, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:24, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Steal Like An Artist

Gerda, I'm not sure what waiting for a little while will do at this nomination: the nominator has basically said that there won't be any Wikipedia contributions due to pressing schoolwork for at least a couple of months, and expressed the hope that someone else might take on the issues you've identified, since that's the only way they'll get done. That's simply too long to wait.

Were you planning to try to find someone to deal with the article's issues, or do it yourself? If not, the nomination should probably be closed, since the nominator has said there won't be any more work from that quarter. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:19, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

I had hoped that someone seeing it might step in, - it's an interesting book. I have no time to do it myself. Feel free to close, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:29, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	A barnstar in appreciation of all the work you do to keep Did you know matters on track in Wikipedia. Keep up the good work! NorthAmerica1000 10:32, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. - Dear watchers: the two articles mentioned on top - songs for the dying, in memory - still need a review, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for O Welt, sieh hier dein Leben

Thanks for your article Victuallers (talk) 16:57, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank You!

It was incredibly cool to wake up and discover your message this morning. I'm honored. It can feel pretty lonely around here - thank you for making Wikipedia friendly today. You rule. All the best to you! Julie JSFarman (talk) 18:55, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

You are welcome to come over anytime you feel lonely! I miss many people, dead and alive, but never felt lonely, - this is saying thank you to all the watchers who make it so! Returning from rehearsal, Wer hat dich so geschlagen and Ave verum corpus, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:18, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Vater unser im Himmelreich

slakr^\ talk / 00:44, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Schuppanzigh Quartet

Many thanks for your comments about my recent article - I would like to see it mentioned in the DYK section of the main page, as shown in the template. AtticTapestry (talk) 07:00, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK tick re-add

Hi Gerda, can you please re-add the tick at Template:Did you know nominations/Jesus Christ is Risen Today as the other guy has said that he has no active objections to the new hook. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 07:39, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Valet will ich dir geben

Thanks from the wiki Victuallers (talk) 16:02, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Schuppanzigh Quartet

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:22, 16 April 2014 (UTC) 00:02, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi again!

Hi Gerda!! Greetings again. I was thinking about DYK the other day and realized I had another article in the works at the time of the Josiah Gregg dustup. I pulled out the files and spent some time upgrading Nancy Kelsey's page. Do you think that is enough added material for DYK? I ran the DYK check on it and I think I confused it somehow (or myself). It is not telling me if it is long enough or not. I was really careful about paraphrasing but again I'm up against the same problem for an editor working in old history - few sources and most of them are written pretty much the shortest possible way to tell the story. So I was careful not to paraphrase the source I was using - but I have no way to know if some other source changed it all around the same way I did! Your comments and suggestions would be most gratefully received along with your opinion if this is good enough for DYK. Thank you so much! Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:05, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK check: it's fine, 5* expansion of today. Remove the stub classification and nominate, nothing to lose ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:35, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the pre-check. I will nominate in the morning when I'm awake enough for a QPQ. Ellin Beltz (talk) 09:11, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Done ! Template:Did you know nominations/Nancy Kelsey Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:23, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Herzlich lieb hab ich dich, o Herr

Thanks for improving the Wiki on Good Friday Victuallers (talk) 09:47, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

I do it with Passion ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:52, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the note - and great picture! DBaK (talk) 11:02, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for St John Passion structure

The DYK project (nominate) 17:31, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Excellent work, future FA, mark my words!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:00, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, you can help improve the paragraph on the Shroud of Turin of this article, thank you: Real Santuario del Cristo de La Laguna.--83.40.238.80 (talk) 14:48, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for St. Patrokli, Soest

Happy Easter and have a good Sunday Victuallers (talk) 16:02, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK Portal Germany

Thanks for removing my new entry from the list, Gerda. I wasn't aware that it's only a mirror of the mainpage DYK, then. I thought we had our own DYK for new articles from the portal (I wasn't really active here since the summer of 2012…). – Happy Easter to you, still!--Aschmidt (talk) 22:08, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

If you think we should add more DYK about Germany, that should be discussed first. It's not a mirror of the Main page, but selects only those related to Germany (however distant). At present, we sometimes have two "real" ones a day, see? ;) - Frohe Ostern! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:17, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks.—I don't want to change anything about this. I think it's okay not to have our own meaning of the term Did you know… and to keep to the use a reader might know from the main page. So, let's keep it like this.--Aschmidt (talk) 23:01, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Fine. Project opera told me that a prerequisite for "featured portal" was that their DYK were only those presented on the Main page (they have a rotation). Do we need other means to show new articles? I simply look at the new ones. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:05, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

We'll probably never have a complete list of new articles. E.g., the bot does not find my new German photographer created yesterday...--Aschmidt (talk) 11:11, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

I would expect him tomorrow, DYK? Complete would be too much for me, I feel like I am dealing with too many already ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:28, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

I also tend to find articles on Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Germany articles by quality log but that bot currently seems to have some issues. A search for related changes on one of the lists of wanted pages bring up some. Agathoclea (talk) 12:09, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your hints to the bot pages. I think, too, we will probably never keep track of all new articles, they are too many. But I have one more question: I've tried to put those bot-generated pages on one subpage in my personal namespace, as I have done on dewiki as a quick overview. This only works for article alerts, but it does not work properly for all new article pages. Clearing the browser cache does not make it any better. Can you see a reason for why the inclusion of those pages in another page fails here? If it just does not work, I'll add those pages to my watchlist and I'm done. – Thx.--Aschmidt (talk) 13:43, 21 April 2014 (UTC) BTW, we still have an external watchlist on Toolserver — as long as it works and as long as it's there…--Aschmidt (talk) 13:50, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

It could simply be too big. The page is included in Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded Agathoclea (talk) 15:46, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

That's true. Thanks, Agathoclea, so I'll use my watchlist instead...--Aschmidt (talk) 23:05, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Have you tried beta features yet?

Hello. We are looking for feedback on Hovercards - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Beta_Features/Hovercards Would be super useful if you could try the feature and give us your feedback since you participated in typography refresh. You can turn all the beta features on using the 'Beta' tab on the top right. Also if you have used the navigation popups gadget, we are trying to understand which actions from that gadget are useful. Please comment here - https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Beta_Features/Hovercards&workflow=rt4khfuq1svh8sx3 Thank You, Vibhabamba — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vibhabamba (talk • contribs) 09:54, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

I use popups - a lot, extremely helpful - but have no time for trying more features now, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:03, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Reviewing ColonelHenry's articles

I see you are participating. Please, please ensure that you verify that the reference sources actually say what is attributed to them; this is one of the key problems already identified, that the content of the article does not match the reference sources. Risker (talk) 14:07, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

I am done for now, I checked the articles I know well, translated one of them today and have other things to do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:10, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Geology Hall and New Brunswick Theological Seminary I passed for GA. I looked into most of the sources and thought they were fine. It comes as a great shock that CH would do anything disruptive. I'd be very surprised if after all of his articles were checked that they were all hoaxes. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 05:53, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Remember not, Lord, our offences is a great article, on a red link by me ;) - also a great title, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:03, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

ps: the first time "disruptive" was applied to me, I felt honoured. (I don't remember what it was, perhaps scheduling TFA, - I did that once.) - Did you know there's Disruptive Technologies? I think it was also Liz pointing out that disruption is good for creating something new. Generally; I am rather with the "disruptive" than those who protect a status quo as if it was something sacred, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:15, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

my memory worked: it was not the TFA scheduling (which was uneventful, thanks to Bencherlite's help, in the memorable time of anarchy after Raul had left), but an early Opera discussion, when I had added (in the process of developing {{infobox opera}}) an infobox to an actual opera to try it out, see? (I love the last example of the template, with the "self portrait" of a famous editor) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:07, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Citation templates

Yes, it is an improvement. Could you direct me to the WP page with the instructions for doing it? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 21:59, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

That's what I don't know, I just go by example. Did you see what happened next? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:03, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes. I've seen it before on other pages, too. Yoninah (talk) 00:07, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

What can we do? I think it should be on a level above single articles. For this one, would you be willing to argue or revert? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:00, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Annabel Breuer

I was hoping you might be able to help me (or know someone else who can). I have written articles on the German women's wheelchair basketball team that defeated our Gliders at the 2012 Summer Paralympic Games in London. All twelve of them. But the youngest player Annabel Breuer has no article on the Deutsch Wikipedia. I am looking for someone to translate my article. It isn't very big. Hawkeye7 (talk) 11:59, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

I will do that, eventually. I noticed the others, some went through the DYK of Portal:Germany, Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany/DYK 2014, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:54, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much! All the players except Breuer have articles in German. I raised a BugZilla on WikiData because I cannot link Mareike Adermann to de:Mareike Adermann, but it does exist! Their coach Holger Glinicki has no German article though. Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:43, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

I started Annabel Breuer (User page, they go though an Import procedure). Adermann probably has two entries on Wikidata, will you ask for a merge on Wikidata help? I don't have much time today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:23, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikilllllove

French..? tree

OK; I can translate it but you go ower and start it and fix it, because I asked Peter Isolato to put a sign on my page :this editor left the Swedish Wiki, and he did it. Hafspajen (talk) 13:50, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

[22] I see. You can do it in my sandbox, or start a user page and tell me. That's how Easter egg tree came to being. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:01, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

• Where is that article. Hafspajen (talk) 19:04, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

• Which article, Easter egg tree? DYK, top of this page, pictured. Or the one to be translated? Top of my user page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:53, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Can you tell me how I start a new sandbox or something (draft?)? This one is full. Hafspajen (talk) 21:05, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Like any other article: write article name as red link (or in the search function) and click, User:Hafspajen/Remember. What I do is delete old stuff in my sandbox, - I can always dig it up in the article history. - You can also set up your own archives, just replace "Remember" by "Archive 1" or whatever you like. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

• Ahem, this stuff gets me into international complications. There is a definite Scandinavian tradition, the bringing in branches into the house and decorate them with featers- also sometimes with candy easter eggs, called Påskris[23]. We very rarelly do whole trees and bushes in the garden, sometimes some excentric municipality, or parish or garden owner will do it, but most people don't do this at all. But everybody has branches and feathers on Easter in the house. (Well with the exception of the real mean counryside bachelor living in the woods, who is a miser and never succeded to earn a woman's hart and the Pakistani chef from the Mumbai restaurant). The Swedish article say it is called Easter tree in Great Britain, and something that is usual in Great Britain, [24], - now now I couldn’t tell about that. Sagaciousphil‎ maybe can... Hafspajen (talk) 10:45, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

To be honest, it's not something I'm particularly familiar with as a British 'tradition' so I did a quick search on HighBeam. There's a piece that was in the Glasgow Herald back in 2010 that luckily is not behind a paywall here and that seems to bear out that it's something that is only recent to the UK - does that help or will I look for more? SagaciousPhil - Chat 11:25, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

And going back to 2008 The Scotsman newspaper wasn't very impressed about it either - see this. Both The Herald and The Scotsman are good papers, not tabloids or anything like that, so are generally pretty reliable/sensible. SagaciousPhil - Chat 11:33, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Or is it called easter bouquet?

Well, only a general info needed. But easter trees in this case it is not a widespread thing, and not endemic for British Islands. Probably USA. I was looking for the branches. I think though we should write an article on those Easter branches, maybe DYK for Easter to come? Hafspajen (talk) 11:30, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you, beautiful!! The dancing tune of the Easter hymn was with me on a lovely hike. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:40, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Working on this translation. Want to ask you a thing, so I get it right. This Osterfeuer (Easter bonfires - ) are they comparable with the Walpurgis Night bonfires in size and how do they work? Also, this guy with the many Easter-eggs on his tree, does he leaving the on all year ? Or he tooks it of and puts it back? Hafspajen (talk) 18:04, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Some (rather few) villages collect wood on a pile and burn it in the Night before Easter Sunday. I haven't been to any ;) - Tree: it's a family and they have them only for Easter. As the article says: they begin "roughly four weeks before Easter. In 2009 it took them nine days to decorate the tree; the task involved family members, especially Volker Kraft, his wife Christa, and daughter Gabriela Rumrich. They use ladders to reach the heights of the tree, and hang the eggs working from the inside near the trunk to outside of the tree branches, and from top to bottom. They remove the eggs before the leaves grow to prevent damage to the tree.[6]" (This year they may have had a problem because the leaves were out before Easter.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:46, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

• Absolutely crazy. Hafspajen (talk) 14:55, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Gerda

Hi, I'm back. I hope you're alright. What do you think of this? Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 10:45, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Let me stay polite ;) - Talk to the editor, about cryptic edit summaries, an explanation (I don't know the mentioned IPC - in popular culture - essay, policy or what), about removal of sourced content. We will meet there, I have my own topic, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

A friend helped. I still suggest you seek advice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:11, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Please don't post messages to banned users' redirected talk pages

Please don't do something like this again. The fact that a user's entire talk page has been redirected to a user page bearing a ban notice should be a very strong hint that chatting with them is not a cool thing to do. — Scott • talk 15:12, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't "chat with them", I repeat the anniversary of Precious, every day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you for the Precious/awesome Wikipedian/PumpkinSky Prize. I was rather busy today and didn't get a chance to log in until now. It was a pleasant surprise to find your message. It's good to know that once in a while somebody notices my contributions . I looked through the previous recipents and I feel honored to be listed among so many editors whom I respect. What a great way to start my weekend! Mojoworker (talk) 23:38, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

I noticed you doing the cleanup and remembered how we did that for PumpkinSky two years ago, - when "cleaned", he wrote Easter egg tree, pictured above. I miss him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:09, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

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Bitte schön! (zu deine freundlich dank; betreffend [25]) --Kevjonesin (talk) 15:28, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Compare. To the memory of the scuttled, the banned, and those who have just given up. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:33, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

TFA

Thank you. I'm working on Yellowhammer at the moment, but the rail is next in line (plenty of time before next April!) Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:52, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Touching. Matches the DYK author so well, who some think didn't even exist. I wrote He was despised when he left, sadly one of my most useful articles, - see just above, to the memory ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:58, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Gelobt sei Gott im höchsten Thron

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Colourful music

Thank you for the welcome comments and the PumpkinSky Prize - all much appreciated. AtticTapestry (talk) 08:56, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Cantiones sacrae

The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

FYI

You might like to apply for free access to Grove Music Online.--Aschmidt (talk) 18:56, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:22, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK

It looks like they are trying to distract from HiLo's incivility by attacking you and baiting you into more responses. It may be best to let go and move on to something else for now. Let them have the last word. After all, they thrive on drama; let them have the stage. They see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear. Viriditas (talk) 08:18, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

I said what I had to say: death is fact, other issues should be in perspective. I wrote several hymns, all on DYK, much more provoking content, - but in German. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:47, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Here

User:Sagaciousphil/The Rose of Hildesheim ... Hafspajen (talk) 19:39, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! What do you think of the following: we reduce the rose part in the cathedral, make the rose a different article (the red-linked name looks good to me, "Thousand"!), I suggest a hook for the cathedral not mentioning the rose, and you take your time and nominate the rose separately when it feels right??? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:48, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

YES; yes, yes, no. Why not...nominate together? Hafspajen (talk) 20:22, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

My experience: people will not click two articles in a hook, bold or not,- extra links are only good for explanation of unknown terms. But as you prefer, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

I mean two hooks, separate hooks. They don't need to be on same day, just connected. Can't we add... this will be continued next day.. or something? It would be fun to do a hook like that.

This is the Hildesheim cathedral, and we will reveal its secrets tomorrow.... well - maybe it will not work. This is not a newspaper. http://www.liborius.de/glauben/glauben-archiv/kirchenjahr/pfingsten/rosenwunder.html und http://www.herbhedgerow.co.uk/rosehips-in-herbal-beauty/ für Fr. Gerda Hafspajen (talk) 01:20, 30 April 2014 (UTC) File:Orvieto067.jpg

So we mean exactly the same: one for the cathedral (without rose, there are many other things, one on the rose, mentioning the cathedral, independent dates. Didn't I say that above ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:43, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Ahem, ahem

I think this rose-thing is getting in shape. Aren't they some kind of dubble nominations? Like two articles getting nominated as a pair. Gerda, have you ever seen this rose in bloom? And if you did, can you chose two flower pictures that are approximatively about ther same like the ones on this rose? Hafspajen (talk) 14:57, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

You CAN double nominate (or even more), but - to my experience - it's not good for the single article, people click only one, - if you have the cathedral and the rose in one hook, you will have the cathedral pictured and clicked, - not the rose. But as you like ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:22, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

forgot to answer your question: no, sorry, I haven't seen it, blooming or not. I have little time today, just peeking in from time to time, managed one rescue, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:25, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

OK, tell me what to do then. Hafspajen (talk) 15:26, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Order: you do rose and move it to Main space when it's ready, I take care of cathedral (needs refs) and word a different hook. Look at red link in Cathedral article for rose, looks good to me ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:31, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeswohl. [source Dom] Hafspajen (talk) 16:27, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I hadn't seen this discussion earlier - my internet connection problems meant I hadn't really been checking around! Hafs, I agree with Gerda - DYK reviewers seem to avoid double nominations, especially if the articles are longer than the basic 1500-2000 characters, probably because they all seem to be in too much of a hurry. If you want to do a single nomination for the Rose, you would also be able to include an image with it to see if it might get the lead spot when promoted? Let me know exactly what article title you want the draft moved to, please. "Thousand-year Rose" "Rose of Hildesheim" "Hildesheim Rose" "Thousand-year Rose, Hildesheim" I just wonder if it is only "Thousand-year Rose" if someone will then come along and re-direct it to something else? Personally, I hate re-directs! Gerda - if you have any suggestions or comments on things for the Rose article, I'd be very grateful for any advice. SagaciousPhil - Chat 12:11, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

The possibility of a rose image is a good point. "Thousand-year Rose" - shouldn't that be "Thousand-years Rose"? (don't see any source for that name, singular or plural.) Also used: "1000-year-old rosebush" What do the sources offer? "1000 years of age rosetree" seems a too literal translation. "1000-year-old rose" is not a readable title. Anything else? You know the sources better. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

OK, no double DYK. I don't know about the rose name. The Thousand year rose can give us problem in 500 years, and some guy now will surely start jumping up and down - you don't KNOW for sure that is a Thousand-year Rose, because it is not QUITE sure. And so on. Hafspajen (talk) 12:15, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I mean. So - providing Gerda agrees - it would leave "Rose of Hildesheim" or "Hildesheim Rose" ... unless ther are any other suggestions? SagaciousPhil - Chat 12:25, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

It's called "Tausendjährig" in German, - you can choose from a translation and whatever name seems best in English sources. don't invent a name that will not be "common", - cathedral getting closer. Should Rose nom cover destruction or, cathedral? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:48, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Cathedral doesn't mention destruction, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:02, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

A pie for you!

You deserve a pie! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:47, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, I like nectarines. I am not screaming any more, that was 2011 ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:52, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Started Karl Ludwig Gerok!♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:54, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, added Authority control, looks moar decent ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:01, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

"During this time he was also significant employee at the Württembergisches Choralbuch." can you check, significant employee is vague and I'm not sure it is correct.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:41, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

I think contributor could be meant, it's a book, collection of hymn settings, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:59, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Precious

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I still write some articles, but I have also worked on many other things, including some Wikivoyage material. Bill Pollard (talk) 12:17, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Praxis Pietatis Melica

Hello! Your submission of Praxis Pietatis Melica at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 18:34, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

BWV 172

Thank you for the lovely note and I am sorry for my slow response: I'm a bit snowed under. I will try to have a look at Baroque instruments but I am not sure I am equal to the job!

You realize I'm going to have to go off and listen to 172 now, don't you? Thank you! :)

In other news, (a) have you seen The Grand Budapest Hotel? It claims to have been inspired by Zweig. We enjoyed it! and (b) just to boast, my brass band was playing outside St Paul's Cathedral yesterday for the women priests 20Y thing - it was fantastic!

Cheers DBaK (talk) 18:43, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, love all of it, sorry, didn't see Budapest Hotel, but remember staying in one, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:46, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

ps: attended evensong in St. Paul's, thought of it writing Utrecht Te Deum and Jubilate, - BWV 172: three trumpets & timpani, no strings, unusual! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:49, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Unusual but fabulous! :) DBaK (talk) 18:52, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Erm - NO strings?? I am worried that I have missed the point here. I'm just listening and it's v nice but I hear fiddles. (Suzuki vol. 7) Please enlighten me DBaK (talk) 19:01, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Only movement 3. There's a table with scoring in the article, is that comprehensible? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:13, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

AHA! I was too impatient listening. Yes, the table is fine thanks and so is no. 3! :) Lovely. DBaK (talk) 19:19, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

We performed it in 2000, along with BWV 66, bassist was a brother of Andreas Scholl ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Lucky you! What a gorgeous piece, eh? With a mixture of shame and delight I admit I didn't know it - which is terrible, but great! I've listened to it a LOT since last night. Did you hear AS on R3 the other night? He was great and they played some stuff in which he sang low - which was a surprise, and worked pretty well. I'd still rather he stayed Up There but this was interesting to hear too. DBaK (talk) 09:18, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	I honestly don't know what to say. I guess I'll be unoriginal this time and say what people probably always say: Aww shucks. You made my day. I will repay WikiLove with WikiLove. Thank you for being so kind, and may you keep doing what you do! See you around, Mz7 (talk) 21:11, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Like this I will be jealous :) Krenakarore ^TK 21:50, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, even if "random" doesn't quite match a daily thing, - but yes, I try to keep doing what I do, singing the praises of the gnomes and the banned ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Michael Wesely

Are we going to go through this again? As far as Wikipedia is concerned, he was born in West Germany! GiantSnowman 09:07, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia is wrong, but I will be kind (see above) and not fight. - Going through this again: I was born in Germany, even if you would say West Germany and perhaps claim you know better. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:14, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Well I won't go into the history as we all know it, but as far as Wikipedia is concerned there were two countries between 1949 and 1990, East Germany and West Germany, which formed a united nation in 1990. You may not like it, but that's the facts. GiantSnowman 09:19, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Fact is that Wikipedia seems to regard that as a fact. It is a simplified way to deal with complicated political matters. However, a place (!) of birth doesn't need to specify a political state, simply the location. I was born in Germany. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:29, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

We state [city], [province/state - some times] and [country]. You were born in West Germany or East Germany; 'Germany' did not exist until 1990. GiantSnowman 09:55, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

I said above, that you know better where I was born than I do. I have better things to do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:24, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry to intervene... I will have to agree with GiantSnowman. "FR Germany (1949–1990)" (commonly referred to as "West Germany") is a former country (just like South Vietnam or SR Croatia). I have been reverted once by you, Gerda, for including the term "West Germany" in an infobox. The fact is that, according to common Wikipedia practice, infoboxes should reflect the contemporary political status of someone's place of birth or death—this is an almost universally accepted convention. This piece of information is relevant as it may tell (and most of the times it does tell) something about the historical context in which a person lived and acted—not to mention matters of historical accuracy. –Omnipaedista (talk) 11:42, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

I see it differently, but have limited time to explain: where someone is born may be sheer coincidence, see Max van Egmond, it's a geographic place. The terms of historical context would be better covered by |citizenship= if needed, and should say "FR" rather than "West". My 2 cts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

The BRD/DDR was a temporary historic anomaly imposed and sustained largely by outside powers; the nation itself never consented to the split; this distinguishes Germany from many other places that had shifting borders. I think that a person who was born, educated, and lives in a country does know better where they are born than someone who does not fit those parameters. We don't list people born in occupied France in 1942 as born in Vichy France. I also consider it a gesture of respect to allow people to define their own national identity and heal historic wounds. Montanabw^(talk) 22:13, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

What a sad discussion, indeed. I remember well that I used to write "West Germany" on the letters and postcards I sent to Britain. But the fall of the Berlin wall happened in 1989. It is true that we still refer to people as being of East or West German descent in this country, but not in order to indicate nationality. As far as the biographies of living persons are concerned, we no longer stress that someone's place of birth was situated in either East or West Germany. So, in the case of Michael Wesely, we simply say that he is a German artist. Period. It is of little importance that he was born in Munich. He now lives in Berlin which is really important for his work. And he works abroad, as you can see from his series of images taken at the MoMA. — But apart from that, I have reverted User:Montanabw because I think that an artists place of birth and residency should be mentioned in the introduction to an article. I rather like it this way, and I gather that the manual of style is disputed in so far.--Aschmidt (talk) 22:48, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

The manual of style is disputed indeed, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:04, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Oh dear, thanks for the link, Gerda. Welcome to Wikipedia... the same as next door... been there, seen that... =8-| --Aschmidt (talk) 23:14, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

(outdent) "I also consider it a gesture of respect to allow people to define their own national identity and heal historic wounds." No one denied that; no one denied that a French person born in French Algeria is a French national if they define themselves as such. We do not even talk about ethnicities/nationalities here. All I am saying is that there exist certain facts: for example the Czech Republic did not exist before 1969, R Macedonia did not exist before 1943, Ukraine (as a state) did not exist before 1917, Austria was the Federal State of Austria in 1934–1938, etc. A kind of anachronistic and revisionist thinking about history could lead to immense confusion. It would be absurd to list Alfred Jaëll's place of birth as "Trieste, Italy" and his nationality as "Austrian". It is a matter of principle to acknowledge the historical facts. Lastly, I note that the whole discussion about the appropriateness of using the "BRD/DDR" terminology has to take into consideration common English usage and the academic consensus (as per WP:CCPOL). --Omnipaedista (talk) 06:36, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps you can tell me why to add "Germany" to "Munich" at all (or more generally: a country to any other well-known or linked city), and why, IF we have to, you would specify a sloppy term (agreed: common usage, but still hurtful for someone who suffered from the separation, and perhaps Wikipedia could think about that eventually) to an unpolitical artist. I would sort of understand it for sports-people representing one or the other part of Germany, and for politicians, but even then I think "nationality" and "citizenship" would be the more appropriate parameters for political and historic context than the geography place of birth. My choice would be simply Munich: that article has the history.

The answer is obvious. You could not assume that the reader is knowledgeable about such intricacies (to know, for example, that someone could have been born and lived in Trieste in the 19th century and be an Austrian, not an Italian national/citizen). There is a policy (Wikipedia:SUMMARY#References) according to which "each article on Wikipedia must be able to stand alone as a self-contained unit" (true, that policy was not meant to cover the topic we are talking about here, but I believe it does cover it in a way). This means that demanding that a reader should click on a city's wikilink and track down that city's history to figure out its past status, is a bad practice in general. A common and good practice is to include something like "Trieste, Austrian Empire (now Italy)" in the infobox/metadata and give a brief explanation in the body of the article if needed (e.g., as is done in the article about Arthur Schopenhauer: "Arthur Schopenhauer was born on 22 February 1788 in the city of Danzig, on Heiligegeistgasse (known in the present day as Św. Ducha 47) ... At the time Danzig became part of Prussia in 1793"). Yes, I do take into consideration how sensitive are matters that have to do with 20th century European history, since many people are still affected by the aftermath of certain tragic events. What I propose is that we should either find a way to deal with the vital data in biographies consistently and wikiwide and allow no exceptions or to allow some exceptions, but only after we have reached a clear consensus on which cases are to be excluded from the general rule of respecting historical contingencies. --Omnipaedista (talk) 09:07, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict, and I don't remember where exactly) I talked about the infobox, not the lead. There, I don't feel we need to add anything to the linked city. Most readers will know where that is, the others can look it up. - If some article subject represented East Germany in sports or politics, that will show in other parameters, - keep simple. For the photographer in question, it seems not to play a role for his career that his place of birth was in West Germany when he happened to be born, - if it doesn't matter, why and for whom would you add it? (On top of this, it is not referenced in the article, a strong contradiction to the "stand-alone".) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:25, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

After edit conflict: I don't think we speak about the same thing. I am not against explaining historic facts where they matter. I worked on Kafka, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

I see. In the final analysis, the historical status of a city is something "permanent" (e.g., Danzig was Prussian in 1793–1807 and 1814–1871 and that piece of information can hardly be revised); what is "derivative" is the present-day affiliations of a city. So, our disagreement may be in that in my view we have to assume that historical facts always matter by default and should normally be included both in the body of the article and the infobox/persondata parameters (this is still common Wikipedia practice), and that making arbitrary exceptions might lead to unnecessary disputes. But I have already made a compromising proposal for handling this disagreement: making exceptions only when there is a consensus that exceptions are due (possible exceptions may include facts related to the History of Germany (1945–90) or the Baltic states under Soviet rule (1944–91)). I am also planning to make a proposal to modify WP:OPENPARA. --Omnipaedista (talk) 10:02, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, for explaining and the planned proposal. I don't disagree that a historic status of a city is something permanent, only don't see a reason to include that status where it doesn't matter to the article, - it seems distracting. I don't need any "Germany" for Munich. - Kafka, a German-speaking citizen of first the Habsburg monarchy and then a Czech republique, is a different story where it matters. I remember those discussions on citizenship. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:30, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

We both know where Munich is but it is too much of an assumption to make that all our readers know that as well—I am still talking about what the best wikiwide rule would be. Not all German-language place names indicate places that are part of Germany. Neither all places currently part of Germany, France, and Italy were always part of those countries. So, sometimes it is not only a matter of different political regime (Kingdom, Dictatorship, Republic, etc.) but also a matter of different political/ethnic geography. Sure, a distinction that could be made is that the country should be included in the infobox only when "ambiguities" arise or when a city is not well-known; but I still think that this is an arbitrary distinction which does not help an editor make a decision (Should I include "Germany" after Ladenburg or not? How about including "Switzerland" after Wahlern? How about someone who was born in Geneva right after the French invasion of Switzerland or someone born in Saarbrücken while the city was part of the French Saar Protectorate?). Sorry to have digressed from the original topic; I am just pointing out how complex can things get. --Omnipaedista (talk) 11:19, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

I would not be against adding "Germany" to Munich, or "Switzerland" to Wahlern, even if hovering over the linked article (or a click if you can't do that) would tell you if (!) you want to know. We were told not to clutter and to avoid repetition. The political status of a place, a place which may be of little relevance to a biography, seems to be repetitive to nationality and/or citizenship. The addition of "West" to Germany distracts attention further, away from the photographer and his work to the political status at the time of his birth, of a place that seems of no relevance to his bio. - What - if you still think you need it - would you think of a piped link Germany? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:25, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

I would certainly be content with a piped link. The only possible objection one could have would be to note that piped links of this kind are in violation of WP:EGG. But I would disagree with that; if a country such as the German Empire is commonly referred to as 'Germany' then I see no reason why the formula '[[German Empire|Germany]]' constitutes an easter egg. I guess the same more or less applies to '[[West Germany|Germany]]'. --Omnipaedista (talk) 15:53, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

I think it would be about the opposite of an Easter egg, because it has more precision than a link to simply Germany would carry. I debate with myself if in Bach composition articles, I should replace links to Weimar to something like Weimar (Bach), or the paragraph about Weimar in Bach's bio, instead of today's Weimar. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:24, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that a piped link of the kind I mentioned above carries more precision and less ambiguity. However, I have some reservations about a piped link like Weimar (Bach). For all practical purposes, Weimar of Bach's time is the same entity as present-day Weimar. Moreover, it would be a somewhat peculiar practice to link to a bio (even if a bio includes a relevant section) instead of linking to the article about the city. --Omnipaedista (talk) 12:27, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

"Weimar (Bach)" and (more important) "Leipzig (Bach)" would be an article about the place and circumstances (locations, politics) in which he composed, relevant to hundreds of articles, possibly more meaningful than today's towns. However, I have no time for such dreams, I need to ask permission and discuss for every article before I improve my own references, or how would you interpret this? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:40, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

As far as I know, articles such as "Weimar (Bach)" do not currently exist in Wikipedia. Broad consensus would be a prerequisite before they could be created. Regarding the other topic: "If you are the first contributor to add citations to an article, you may choose whichever style you think best for the article" (per WP:CITEVAR). Sure, Nikkimaria made a couple of edits to the article but you still are the first and major contributor. –Omnipaedista (talk) 13:24, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Message

I will clean up Edda Görings article in a few minutes with intention of getting GA status, I would appreciate your review at that time. Kind regards. Jonas Vinther (talk) 15:48, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! As English is not my first language, I avoid GA reviews - where I would be the only reviewer - but participate in FA reviews ;) - I like infoboxes, as you will know ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Sind sie Deutsch? Jonas Vinther (talk) 19:23, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Ja. - I have categories on my user page ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Wunderbar. Ich bin Däne, aber ich spricht Deutsch. :) Jonas Vinther (talk) 21:53, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Eu sou Brasileiro, e por isso eu entendo qualquer um dos lados :) ! Krenakarore ^TK 22:22, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Sapphire!

Gerda: I just have to say, I wish every editor on Wiki were like you! I've run into a rough patch lately with people being very cranky and forgetting all about AGF. It's at times like that I pull out the sapphire you gave me, take a deep breath and remember "the project... the project...." not the personalities! Thank you again for the award and the WikiLove. Cheers!! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:54, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

I do the same. Look at today's, found this, inspiring: "I've not lost perspective, though, Wiki is not flawed beyond hope, it's just a long way from being perfect. That's nothing to be ashamed of, it's an opportunity for good people to take responsibility and improve things." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:09, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Why on earth

Why on earth do we not have a [26] here? Hafspajen (talk) 23:08, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

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  Why has this man that paper on his head?

You mean Georges Clairin? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:14, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Hafspajen (talk) 23:15, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

So we can use it in the article in the gallery, of course. Hafspajen (talk) 09:56, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

(ec, you said the same:) You can find it in the history ;) - Seriously: I have one archive per year, to see discussions in context. Many images on one topic don't help context, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:01, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

You do. Well, are we going to care for this painter who painted fine pictures or not? Georges Clairin deserves more than this. I like this Tribal Dancer.jpg picture. Hafspajen (talk) 18:53, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

You start, I still have several other projects but will look, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:04, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

No, not yet. I have the tree project to translate, and the cheese. Sheep's milk chese .. But some day... Was just asking if you feel for it. Hafspajen (talk) 19:10, 6 May 2014 (UTC). Hafspajen (talk) 19:10, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

No idea why the man has the paper on his head. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:59, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

• ? ^{Do you want me to fix your Saxon church images?} Hafspajen (talk) 09:37, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

That paper on the head is verses from the Torah. Modern practice is little boxes called Tefillin (The first picture is taken from a photograph of me on washing day, the middle picture is me - pre-nose and boob job - caught in a hurricane) Belle (talk) 10:08, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Also Hafspajen, I've totally stolen your idea and quickly (partially) translated the French article on Clairin. Please feel free to steal my translation in revenge (I don't even know if original translation from other Wikipedias is allowed) Belle (talk) 10:38, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

It's allowed, you mark it on the talk page, see Hildesheim Cathedral, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:42, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

I shall mark it "Idea stolen shamelessly from Hafspajen" Belle (talk) 10:50, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Go ahead, but not in the "translated" banner ;) - See my dedication, and there will be more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:58, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

GFHandel means me and choral cantatas: "The degradation of article content mainly due to the poorly-worded additions of the uninformed." (stop nodding, it's meant to be a joke)Belle (talk) 11:17, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

He meant this, not a joke, although it reads like a parody of the uninformed, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:21, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

It's not "my" church. What do you mean by "fix"? Put them in context? yes! Good captions? yes! Did you know this? A lot to fix, I guess ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:33, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Karl Ludwig Gerok

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:47, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Invisible Rail

Thanks, I've just found a major article on breeding too Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:22, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Lovely, - we had fun discussing birds, and language, back then ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:49, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Bachvereniging

I confess to be unhappy about the move from the original name to the English translation. How is that a common name? For decades, the Dutch name was the only one, now it's the name that distinguishes the group from many other Bach societies, most sources have it, also the German Wikipedia, for a reason, - can't we be international and historical here also? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:48, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

The Netherlands Bach Society is the name the ensemble itself uses internationally (see http://allofbach.com/en/). All current English sources also use the English name, as far as I can establish. Your edit to the article makes clear that the ensemble was founded as De Nederlandse Bachvereniging. That the German Wikipedia uses the Dutch name is understandable, as the ensemble itself does not use a German name. Buxtehude (talk) 17:13, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Accepted. (Would you change your name?) - However, that website has the title of BWV 61 wrong ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:27, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

!

Thank God for rose lovers. Lovely rose gallery... Hafspajen (talk) 18:08, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Hildesheim Cathedral

Materialscientist (talk) 10:08, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

• Nice, well done! That will be hall of fame for it. (Look at this, Chinese catedral with ballons, fun. File:Cathedral of the Sacred Heart of Jesus 07.JPG.) Hafspajen (talk) 17:41, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Re: Church cantata

Hi Gerda, I'm not too sure about that ... parentheses are generally used for disambiguation, and there's nothing to disambiguate in this case. Graham87 09:09, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

The question came up in the FAC for BWV 172. People wished an article about church cantata, instead of linking to Bach cantata. That is not written (yet), but the more specific one - to which I would even prefer to link - is there. Bach was not the only one to write church cantatas. If we call it Bach church cantata we will have the same discussion as on Bach cantata, and with more justification, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:17, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the thanks!

Just realised I posted my message to User:Khazar2 using my old account (Lionfishy). When I get a bit of time I'll try to contribute a bit more! - Lionfish0 (talk) 09:30, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the thanks, Ch. 2

Thank you, Gerda Arendt, for your very kind words on my talk page.

Yesterday I was reading with interest about the cathedral in Hildesheim, and was amazed at the story of its legendary 1,000-year-old rose bush. [27] Perhaps that would make a DYK nomination? Sca (talk) 13:29, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Both articles were made for the purpose (see here) and appeared successfully the last two days ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:33, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Oh! Where was I on May 10? Nice work.

My sister in Colorado was worried about her roses due to a late-spring snowstorm, so yesterday I sent her a link to Thousand-year Rose and said, "I think there's hope for your roses." A pic she took of one of them a couple years ago can be seen here. [28] Sca (talk) 14:31, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Tell Furius, who translated, - I only looked for refs ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:35, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done Sca (talk) 15:12, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Your rose, Hafspajen and Sagaciousphil would love it. You will find some from our area there, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:18, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

I see a lot of dogs. Sca (talk) 00:15, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

That one, I say is a Peace rose, and if the snowstorm comes just put a common paperbag ower them, Sca and they will be just fine. Tea-roses are a bit delicate, but it worth growing them since they are so gorgious. Hafspajen (talk) 17:46, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Gerda sells her contribution short! Glad that you enjoyed the article and glad to have been part of bringing it to you! I hope the wilted roses regrew. Furius (talk) 20:36, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

I came across the next cathedral without references but will return to my music, "Ich steh hier und singe" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:42, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Wahrscheinlich kannst du nicht anders. (Joke) Sca (talk) 23:03, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Too kind

Thank you so much Gerda - you are too kind. I am blushing. :) DBaK (talk) 20:03, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Kafka tense

Hello. I'm afraid I don't know the work in question - what exactly is going on with the tense here? Is the book about events following an engagement that occurs before the start of the story? I'd have thought that would still fall under WP:TENSE (or that it should, at the least, be rewritten to avoid mixing present and past tense). --McGeddon (talk) 22:12, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

"It deals with the troubled relationship of a son and his dominant father, facing a new situation after the son became engaged." I may be wrong but understand that even if the story is told in the present tense, the fact that changed before should be in the past tense. That's not mixing but stressing the sequence of events, no? There's an article on the story. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:20, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

I would go for either "after the son gets engaged" or if I really wanted to stress posteriority "after the son has gotten engaged". Furius (talk) 23:16, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, I tried without tense, improvements always welcome, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:43, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for thanks

There really should be a "reply to thanks" button, to spare me the effort of typing as I'm winding down for my holiday now (from my oh-so-difficult daily life). My musical idiocy again came into play with the organ, I'd no idea what a manual was - thankfully there's an online encyclopaedia called Wikipedia that told me it's the keyboard. Amazing. Belle (talk) 16:44, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

What we get from translation ;) - Manual (German), from manus = hand, - we think of the playing hands more than the keys, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:11, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Help

This is almost ready. User:Hafspajen/Remember... Bur remember, when clear, you post it... OK, I need help. Because this reviewing makes me desperate. Template:Did you know nominations/Biertan fortified church, Câlnic Citadel, Dârjiu fortified church, Prejmer fortified church, Saschiz fortified church, Valea Viilor fortified church, Viscri fortified church it is abourt thr German Saxons in Transylvania. But I am pretty nervous to give a green tick. Mainly because of the scandals with the DYKs lately, and I am not too knowledgeable about about DYK or the the content. Could you please step in as a co-reviewer, or single, I need help. Looks interesting, but makes me nervous, the hook, too-please... Do you realise that they are seven articles to check? And people were making a lot of fuss about my refs, noew I am using thee monkey, .<ref>{{cite web|url=|title=|publisher=|accessdate=}}</ref> but this I don't know anything about. <ref>[http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/596 Villages with Fortified Churches in Transylvania] at the UNESCO site</ref>

Isn't this the bare URL people cry about? And Sagaciousphil‎ is not here nowadays.. looks like it. Sca? Any interest in this? Feels like it would need more the one person, maybe two, three, four.. Hafspajen (talk) 15:09, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I told you what to do, no? (and that I have little time for this, - you can request another reviewer by using the red icon, you would still have done your review). Remember: not even two articles in one hook, let alone seven! and not such a boring hook! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:22, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Replied there as well, and see they are determined ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Sigh. Thank you. I did the rev. for only one church, Biertan, and I said that I think it should be split. But if he wants that giant hook with severn churches.. How am I supposed to show that I do not agree with hook with the 7 churches? Hafspajen (talk) 17:00, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

It's all fine. When I wrote the above I had not seen how determined they are. You did what you could, count that as a review - it is one - and mark with the red icon that more is needed, and nobody can expect you to do seven. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:10, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Hm, I didn't realize what a scandal I'd provoked. Sorry about that.

As for Neunkirchen, I came to this via philately. During the League of Nations mandate, Saar issued a number of series of semi-postal stamps that are quite expensive today, including one to raise funds for the disaster victims. Then, of course, there's the fact that such a deadly explosion usually gets included in an encyclopedia. So if you find the time and inclination, I think it would make for a nice (but sobering) article. - Biruitorul ^Talk 19:21, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

No scandal, no need to be sorry ;) (But may be I don't understand "scandal".) - Just our taste for a hook is different, and yours is nothing compared to that on all the provinces of Burkina Faso (some two-digit number, it didn't make it, and would have been extremely boring.) - I don't have extra time right now, too many of my own plans that I don't get to.. What do you think of proposing on project Germany? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:29, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

OH, my God, is that blue thing an approved thing? I thoufght it was the green one...? I really am a new begginer. Hafspajen (talk) 14:02, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

No God needed for simple learning: green is for all online citations your language, the other is an approval for all kinds of AGF, offline or a language you don't know. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:05, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

OOps, then no green for that one. Hafspajen (talk) 14:49, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

• Now, how very green I am. Hafspajen (talk) 14:59, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

"My salad days, when I was green in judgment, cold in blood", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the Sapphire

Hello, Gerda,

Thank you for the sapphire. If someone had awarded it, or something similar, to me along the way, I might have been encouraged to remain.

Georgejdorner (talk) 16:32, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

It's never too late for courage ;) - unless you die. Two women died recently, otherwise it's mostly men who don't have enough courage to stay, see? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:38, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Trevor Corry DYK

Hi Gerda. I'd like you to withdraw this. While the hook can be referenced, there are a lot of sources in the article which have no page numbers, and many of them (most in fact) are referenced to original letters and documents in the UK National Archives and not as precisely referenced as they should be. Technically each letter quoted should be referenced separately rather than lumped together. e.g. "Letters to and from Trevor Corry to the Secretary of State for the Northern Department, Thomas Thynne, 3rd Viscount Weymouth. Secretaries of State: State Papers Foreign, Poland. The National Archives, Kew, Richmond, Surrey". There's no way this can be fixed in the timescale of DYK. Some might even start screaming "original research". Two other refs (one of which is used multiple times) are too imprecise to verify and are marked as such. Given the current atmosphere at DYK, the article is liable to be pulled to shreds. It's the first contribution by a brand new editor, who's still finding his way around Wikipedia. He potentially has a lot to offer, and I'm hoping I can encourage him to become a regular contributor here. See [29]. Frankly, I think this has the potential to be a very confusing and demoralising experience for him. It's up to you, but I hope you'll understand my reasoning. If you do go ahead with it (and I hope you won't), my name should not be credited. I merely did mechanical work on it and a few minor additions. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:12, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

As you say, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:19, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda. I really appreciate that. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:33, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK that I nominated Hildesheim Cathedral without an inline citation, and look now ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:39, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Complaint

Hellow how are you?.. Thank you for stopping the attacking than done by user:Ich Pilot here here, user:Ich Pilot had made many of new Contributions, which are not based on sources or selecting the sources that are compatible with his couches, I asked him (user:Ich Pilot) to discussed before making any changes to find a common solution (especially that there are many different Statistics which gives different data), Maps here about percentages of Christians around the world (and he have put percentages of Christians in Western countries without sources) and I brought a variety of sources in order to debate, and I asked him to debate before doing any modification until we get to the result of inappropriate but he refuses to debate and even attack me as ([i know all christians are supposed to lie according to their religion] and here here. here is example for one of his personal attacks: by user:B88 attack my personal page and putting pictures calling me fascists and another picture as: If Jesus return kill him again!. he still doing Personal attack directed for me: using low level of word, using low level of word in my Arabic page which called Christians a Monkey!!! here you can also see some of assaults on multiple articles as here, and here

I'll be grateful if you can stop that harassment, and Thank you and Have a nice day.--Jobas (talk) 23:28, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Gothic

Have you seen the lavishly illustrated Gotik book, ed'd by Rolf Toman? [30] I think you'd find it interesting. (I have the English trans.) Sca (talk) 14:30, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the hint, no, not yet. This Gotik deserves an article, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination

Hello! Your submission of Template:Did you know nominations/Trevor Corry at the Did You Know nominations page is not complete; see step 3 of the nomination procedure. If you do not want to continue with the nomination, tag the nomination page with {{db-g7}}, or ask a DYK admin. Thank you. DYKHousekeepingBot (talk) 21:28, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Teach the bot to read "withdrawn" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:35, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Invisible rail

Missed your query, it's Trommelralle in German Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:18, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, - not for 1 April, then ;) - I guess I'll translate sooner, in my attempt to get the work of missed editors to German (you read it in the Signpost). At present on their Main page: Remember not, Lord, our offences, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:47, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Jesu, meine Freude

Hello! Your submission of Jesu, meine Freude at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 19:58, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

The 500 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal

		The 500 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
		Gerda, you are one of the very few people who have reached this milestone. Thank you for your tireless contributions to Wikipedia and the DYK project! -Zanhe (talk) 06:39, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Komm, Heiliger Geist, Herre Gott

Hello! Your submission of Komm, Heiliger Geist, Herre Gott at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Constantine ✍ 11:31, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Melchior Hoffmann (composer)

I see you noticed my edit to Gottfried Heinrich Stölzel. I was listening to a recording by Hoffmann, and realized I didn't know anything about him. Come to find out, neither does Wikipedia (ok, Wikipedia knows a *little* about him). He wrote a Magnificat that was misattributed to J.S. Bach for most of the 19th-century (as BWV Anh. 21) if the liner notes of the CD (Pro-Arte CDD 185) are to be believed. Wikipedia doesn't mention this mis-attribution anywhere, either. Does researching this further appeal to you at all? If so, I'd love to collaborate with you on it (the composer and/or the work). Wishing you all the best! 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 13:57, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

It appeals, but I have to deal with a few other things first, see above ;) - "Bist du bei mir" not being by Bach but by Stölzel was one of the things I helped cleaning up, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:15, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Ok, thanks, and I perfectly understand. I'm going to create a stub on Hoffmann. If it pleases you to use your touch and turn it into something beautiful later, that would be wonderful. An article on the composition mistaken for Bach's, at a later point, will await your (or someone else's) imagination. All the best, and thank you again. 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 16:09, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

I have been clearing out the dross in my googlemail account...

...when I found I had messages unanswered from you. You have mail. LessHeard vanU (talk) 14:31, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

sigh

Hochburg.. now what kind of article is this... And.. de:Burg Wolkenstein (Südtirol) Hafspajen (talk) 11:56, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Overlord

Hi, all I was saying was that we have to list the same DYK review criteria for all nominated articles. "New enough" and "sourcing checked by GA reviewer" are not enough. There's also "long enough", "at least 1 inline cite per paragraph", "no close paraphrasing", "hook ref verified and cited inline", and "QPQ done". GA and DYK reviews are not the same; we recently found close paraphrasing in a different GA nom. Best, Yoninah (talk) 21:17, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Please compare my other reviews (40+ this year on my user page), for example this: I say what's missing (almost always, very few pass without such a comment) but not everything that's there. Now I could go and copy the above to the review, - would that really change anything? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:31, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

I've just been noticing lately that BlueMoonset and others are asking for more detailed reviews so we know that everything's checked. I know it's a hassle, but it's a one-line formula that I can rattle off in my sleep: New enough, long enough, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen, hook ref verified and cited inline, QPQ done. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 21:44, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. You deserve a barnstar for patience and good humor. Yoninah (talk) 21:58, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Checked.

Come, Holey Ghost, God and Lord, av Catherine Winkworth. It say about the same thing, but does not take up the German and the English variations. But Swedish are not that interested in such things. Hafspajen (talk) 18:30, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for checking. When was it translated to Swedish, by whom, title, when published, by whom? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:08, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

The "Psalm" (hymn) was translated to Swedish in 1567 (no author given) and was revamped 1816 by Johan Olof Wallin. It was reworked again 1983 by Britt G. Hallqvist for the Den svenska psalmboken 1986. (The Swedish hymnal from 1986) The words from 1695 are (in translation):

Kom Helge Ande Herre Gudh

Upfyll medh tine nåde godh

The Christtrognas hierta hugh och siil;(this is really old Swedish...)

Hafspajen (talk) 23:06, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, very helpful! It's also really old German, compare, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:45, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

So, you like it ? Hafspajen (talk) 12:53, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

I like you checking, and the result, - have time til Pentecost to add ;) - you are an angel, dyk? Sad that PumpkinSky doesn't hand out Angel barnstars any more, you deserve one! "my joy" will hopefully be on the Main page, later today, but I'm off for now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:01, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

I took some of the Swedish info to the article, which now has two red links, in both cases not the only red link here, hint, hint ;) - in other words: create a stub of two or three lines, if you have the time, simply to make the connection from those other articles, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:17, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Jesu, meine Freude

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:13, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Just a note to thank you for your kind and unexpected words. Comments like those make it a lot easier to get through a session on Wikipedia.

Dougweller (talk) 18:10, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for brightening my day further! - The above DYK helped also, making my stance (Ich steh hier und singe = I stand here and sing) known to those who missed it the first time, - angelic ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:37, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Jesu, meine Freude

	The Original Barnstar
	Für Jesu, meine Freude. Deine Arbeit wird geschätzt. John (talk) 22:29, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Freut mich! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:32, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Shines

He is blocked from editing South Asia articles. Bad enough.

I went to his talk page to request him to take a look at South Asia. Imagine my shock. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 14:04, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

I think I can imagine a bit. He is what they call "topic banned", and blocked temporarily, perhaps you could change your comment, others might misunderstand. One comment was "Shooting you would have been kinder". I added him in the sad listing on top of this page, could add two more of today, - such a waste of talent. The first time a lost a friend here I screamed. If I kept doing that it would be very noisy. I bring flowers now. - Can I do anything for you? I am topic banned myself but not for South Asia. You could also ask questions his talk, he can edit there, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:56, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

What an unexpected pleasure

Thank you! (I'm glad I've been able to impact upon you positively.)

Sadly, my internet connection must feel neglected - it is avoiding me at the moment and making editing a painful experience. I'll get back to you when the data packets are flowing more freely. Best wishes, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:46, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

"Flowing more freely", what a wonderful way to describe what others would call a lousy connection! With you, hoping for more free flow, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:55, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Praxis pietatis melica

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:42, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Re: Church cantata (Bach)

Hi Gerda, you've convinced me. Done. Graham87 13:07, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! - It would please some people if Bach cantata was moved to Cantata (Bach), - and I don't care any more, see article talk ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:12, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Fortified

Thank you kindly for the award and for all your support during the review. The numbers are encouraging, and the good thing is that there are plenty more to be mined if we so choose - those seven are but the tip of the iceberg! Only this time, I think I'd do them one by one. - Biruitorul ^Talk 14:03, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, and yes, I think one by one every single one gets more attention, even if it will not break statistic records --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:06, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Danke

Heyy Freund. Wegen eine plötzliche verzögerung werde ich nur verlassen Wikipedia 1. Juni, aber danke für das ansehen meiner seite. Jonas Vinther (talk) 19:03, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Danke

Thanks for your suggestions in No Borders Orchestra. Could you please have a critical look on Silhouette (eyewear). I'm sort of betriebsblind. Thanks a lot. --Meister und Margarita (talk) 09:42, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks.

Thanks for the Awesome Wikipedian comment on my talk page. I really appreciate it. Sorry I didn't say thank you sooner, even when Thomas Ellison was at TFA I was too busy to edit. Thanks again! -- Shudde ^talk 09:51, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Cantiones sacrae

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Cantiones sacrae you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Tim riley -- Tim riley (talk) 18:01, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

BWV 37

You're very welcome. It can be hard to figure out where someone is coming from sometimes, and I don't understand the problem at all since it doesn't affect the display as far as I can see.

I hope you won't take offense at any of my suggestions in the next section - they were all intended to be helpful in further editing, but looking back now I see that my tone comes across as pretty abrupt. Let me know if you're not familiar with the final joke there, or have trouble deciphering it. WP has an article, but it's expressed differently; this is the way I learned it many years ago. Milkunderwood (talk) 03:36, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

No offense, no, content questions are always welcome! I just was too tired to answer when I returned from an unplanned trip, - no internet, a blessing, - I should do that more often. I will get to your questions after the morning routine: finding someone Precious. You can already look at the coding of |chorale= and see that it is actually two entries for two chorales, and I would be grateful for a way to clarify that. I had added the movement number in brackets, - that was not wanted. - Looking forward to the joke, I didn't read all, really too tired. Happy Ascension Day (for which the cantata was written)! We (the choir pictured in my user's infobox) sang the opening movement this year, - it's so general that it can be used any day. Same for the opening of BWV 172, - comments/improvements to that article welcome (including a recent revision), before it will go to Main page for Pentecost. Be bold! Change without asking if it helps, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:54, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

In infobox, Chorale I, then Chorale II - would that work? I never use preformatting, don't know how. Milkunderwood (talk) 08:17, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

It's an idea, we will discuss now ad see what teh authorities think ;) - my "routine", including watchlist, breakfast and actually going to church, took a little longer than I assumed. - I believe in the magic of AGF, strongly so, otherwise see above, look for "to romantic", - I am not too romantic ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:15, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Cantiones sacrae

The ever-helpful bot will probably get in here before I do, but speaking as a human being I send my congratulations, dear Gerda, on the deserved promotion of this article. Forgive me if I don't review your current Bach GAN contributions, but having worked with you on Handel I don't feel comfortable about reviewing something so close to what we've collaborated on. I hope your unexpected trip was satisfactory. Tim riley talk 21:17, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Cantate Domino! - The trip was good. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:27, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Cantiones sacrae

The article Cantiones sacrae (Schütz) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Cantiones sacrae (Schütz) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Tim riley -- Tim riley (talk) 21:21, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Top of your page?

... was down (after a rather nasty put down), but indeed am now up (although not necessarily in a "just given" way... I hope). Martinevans123 (talk) 22:18, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know about "upper", changed with pleasure (unhappy about the next, of course) what animal? bird? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

You are most kind. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 09:38, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Again

Recalled again here among others: "Gerda Arendt is indefinitely restricted from: adding or deleting infoboxes; restoring an infobox that has been deleted; or making more than two comments in discussing the inclusion or exclusion of an infobox on a given article. They may participate in wider policy discussions regarding infoboxes with no restriction, and include infoboxes in new articles which they create." Note that a) "create" means something different than "major contributor", and b) "making more than two comments in discussing the inclusion or exclusion of an infobox on a given article" is broader than simply "making more than two comments in a particular discussion". The first restriction you have clearly violated several times, most recently today; the last you have likely violated on multiple occasions. A final plea: unless/until your restrictions are amended or removed, stick to them strictly. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:43, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Richard Adeney: I forgot, again. Believe me, please, - I am not counting. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:14, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

ps: I consider the restriction to two comments in a discussion a true blessing, - too bad that the arbs didn't bless us all equally, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:17, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

You're allowed two comments? I'm not allowed to take part in any discussion on RfA, or to make any comments that might be perceived to be critical of the admin system. What a fucking joke. Eric Corbett 06:36, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Agree. Ask for the same mercy, you can give me as an example. - Did you read Chopin? Good questions asked, for example about the myth "policy of Wikipedia:WikiProject Composers". which some believe exists. No WikiProject writes policy. Some day I would like to understand how these believers win arbcom to protect their myth, instead of "An infobox may be used to improve the appearance of an article on Wikipedia" (quoted from our own article, which doesn't have an infobox, - what a [stalking reader: insert descriptor to your liking] joke.) Look above and go to battle, on Blues dance, Adeney and elsewhere, if you are are so inclined, - I am not. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:53, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Eric, it's different; you attract both trolls and drama queens~~ by the railcar load. Gerda just has to deal with one tendentious user with a personal vendetta and rules obsession who wants her run off of wiki. Sad, really. Montanabw^(talk) 20:25, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

no, no and no ;) - nobody will succeed in "running me off", - I took the liberty to stay in 2012 and won't give it up easily, - actually, I am quite amused, I will sing with the spirit, and with the understanding also, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:47, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Like Gerda, has anyone told you that you are the most sincerely positive person on wikipedia? Montanabw^(talk) 02:43, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

In different words, yes. See above, collapsed "blushing", and in my four-year-old user's infobox ;) - thank you, I try the understanding also, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:30, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

And again. Nikkimaria (talk) 11:46, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• This is ridiculous. Gerda, do you feel you are being persecuted by Javert, and for similar motives? Montanabw^(talk) 19:48, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

no, I am not impressed, I keep singing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:06, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Hezilo chandelier

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:51, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Church of St John the Divine, Calder Grove

Hi Gerda, cangratulations on the above DYK - well deserved!

And thank you very much for your moral support in my church building article - much appreciated. However, frankly, I think there are times when article-creators have to quickly withdraw a nom to protect the article from major interference. While Bencherlite was right to draw attention to shortcomings in the article, and there would have been time to do a big re-edit as you say, the article was at risk of huge summary deletions and section-blankings from well-intentioned editors in the short term, so long as the nom was in progress.

This is an important article as (in my opinion) the church building is currently at risk of structural neglect and damage from certain people and agendas. So the building is up for listing for its own protection, and the public information needs to be available. To keep it in line with WP, yes it does need urgent re-editing and more research, but I am currently stretched between that job and helping to clear the DYK review backlog, which is equally important - because there are plenty of other articles out there which deserve exposure on the front page for all sorts of valid reasons.

If you would really like to support my work on this article, I'd love it if you could please watch it and help protect it from well-meaning content-deletions. It's already suffered the removal of all mention of one of the curate's wives. Anglican priests and their wives have always been equally important in parish teamwork, the wife almost always doing full-time and valid but unpaid and uncredited parish work. In 19th century news articles about local church matters, it's significant that parishioners always give equal gifts, praise and thanks to both the priest and his wife when they retire or move on to the next church. So to remove the curate's wife from the article is a non-neutral, sexist, outdated and (if you like) anti-feminist action - though I accept that the deleter may be from another culture and may not be aware of the curate's wife's importance.

My apologies for such a long message. Meanwhile, please let me know if there's anything I can do in return, e.g. if you spot a languishing DYK nom which needs extra support. Cheers. --Storye book (talk) 08:37, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the message, I understand better now. You did A LOT for me by rewiewing all those articles, and I thought the nom should have been kept open simplyt to show that. I am easy on DYK since a review of mine caused the "Easter scandal". I will watch your church, you can watch my baby BWV 172, my first "single" FA, as TFA on 8 June, when I will be busy, singing ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:09, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Storye book, if you're going to call me or my editing "non-neutral, sexist, outdated and (if you like) anti-feminist", then at least have the decency to tell me to my face. Fortunately Gerda's talk page is on my watchlist. The subject of the article is the church. It is utterly irrelevant to an encyclopaedic article about the church that the widow of someone who served in the parish for two years died 41 years later at the age of 81 in Scarborough or that she was "semi-blind" 13 years after leaving the parish. Bencherlite^Talk 10:09, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

I understand that also. As said before, my talk is open, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:16, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda. I am watching your article. Nice work! --Storye book (talk) 10:31, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

User:Bellemora/New

Hi, hope you are well. Do you remember a few weeks ago when you suggested I start an article and then I stole Hafspajen's idea and the French article on Georges Clairin? It is still languishing on my subpage because (among other reasons) the French version had text in "citation bloc" templates. Do you know or any of your friends know what I should use as the equivalent here (I will obviously translate the text within it). Belle (talk) 11:26, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Is it for quotations? {{quote}}, but should possibly kept original, with a translation added, in the quote. If the article is fine otherwise, I would move it, and polish while in article space, with the help of others who don't know your private area. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:31, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'm giggling childishly at the thought that hopefully nobody on here knows my private area. So sorry. I'll try that tl|quote. Belle (talk) 11:44, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

giggling also now, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:51, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

"Nearest City" definition

It doesn't seem like the documentation at {{Infobox NRHP}} gives any clue as to how to use it. That template was itself mostly copied from {{infobox protected area}}, which suggests "a city with a major airport or a large gateway town where supplies and lodging are available." But, obviously, that language makes more sense when we're talking about protected areas, not heritage register listings.

For NRHP I have used it to refer to the nearest municipality anywhere that is incorporated as a city, which is usually some place that people outside that region of the country will have heard of. So I chose Stamford, which is a city. However, distance-wise I'm not sure, now that you make me think about it, if White Plains (also a city) isn't just as close.

That said, I think using out-of-state cities in some cases makes sense (see Lace House (Canaan, New York), very near the MA state line and much closer to Pittsfield, Massachusetts, than any city in that part of New York.

Of course, what this whole discussion increasingly makes me think of is whether the NRHP infobox actually needs that parameter or not anymore, especially with the map functionality available. Daniel Case (talk) 21:45, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for thinking. Even if a template has a parameter, we don't have to fill it if it doesn't really help. I think it's meant to help people to get a feeling for where a place is, but they may know Armonk, IBM headquarter for a while, better than Stamford, CT. (And if CT, why not Greenwich?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:46, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Weimar

Regarding your latest edits at Weimar & Schloss Weimar:

Weimar is a city - also, Schloss Weimar is a City Castle, not a palace; see here --IIIraute (talk) 05:26, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

I asked by what standards Weimar is a city, and said that you have to take a very liberal look at "castle" to think that this is one. When I read "castle" I understand "Burg". - You can never say "a City Castle", - if it's a general term, it would be "a city castle". "Stadtschloss" is a general term, not a specific name, describing that it is not in the countryside. The place has no name, we (not even the World Heritage people) should not invent one. I believe to stay with the original term is best, especially as there is an explaining article Schloss. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:33, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)I don't think that that site's use of City Castle adds any credibility to the term, which is not really an expression which works at all well in English. That the person who translated the website into English couldn't think of a proper term for it does not make it OK to use this expression. In other words, in that particular context, that particular bit of that page cannot be a WP:RS. I would back Gerda's judgement on this. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 13:39, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Oh, really - I wonder why the UNESCO calls it "City Castle"? --IIIraute (talk) 17:55, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, really, I don't know, why don't you ask them? My guess is that they also are plagued by stupid literal-minded translation. But then what do I know? Nix. DBaK (talk) 18:27, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Proposal: City Palace, Berlin - City Palace, Potsdam - Wiesbaden City Palace? --IIIraute (talk) 18:41, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

another (talk page stalker): Schloss Weimar is certainly not what the article castle describes. As pointed out already, Schloss should stay untranslated and the interested reader can follow the link. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:49, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

@Gerda: Could you please provide some WP:RS that the castle is called "Schloss Weimar" and not "Weimarer Stadtschloss". --IIIraute (talk) 17:55, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

P.S. I think it is best to continue this discussion at Talk:Schloss Weimar. --IIIraute (talk) 23:32, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Discussion is there. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:55, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Also hat Gott die Welt geliebt, BWV 68

[31]. Victoria de los Angeles, soprano; Evelyn Rothwell, oboe; Thalben-Ball, organ; Bath Festival Orchestra;cConducted by Yehudi Menuhin, violin (1964) ... enjoy! Martinevans123 (talk) 00:02, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for I will sing with the spirit

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:03, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172

Congrats on the TFA! There are some harv errors, though, that you might want to fix. Refs 5, 6, & 24 are to an "Arnold 2009" that doesn't appear in the bibliography, and the "Maor 2009" in the bibliography doesn't appear to have been cited anywhere. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 02:40, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

yes, keep watching, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:28, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Good to see your excellent article on the front page.--Ipigott (talk) 05:43, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, both, I will look looked, then will sing, not Erschallet, ihr Lieder today, that was in 2000, but a mass by Rheinberger today and the above tomorrow, see top, "Komm, Heiliger Geist, Herre Gott" is on the Main page in German, will come here later, - let's hope for spirit ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:17, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

ps: our cabal of mostly women is quite successful these days, look at the stats for Normandy landings (anniversary 6 June) and California Chrome (race 7 June, even if not won), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:37, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

*Pfft*—"cabal of women". As everyone knows, all you so-called "women" are really just a bunch of kiddie-porn collectors editing from your mothers' basements. Me, I'll be performing "Let it Go" in the shower tonight. Tickets are extremely hard to obtain. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 08:36, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

I perform "Letting go" also, it's the experience of fire ;) - My mother died three years ago, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:30, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Komm, Heiliger Geist, Herre Gott

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:03, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Precious

For a sapphire of a wikipedian
Thank you for creating today's current featured article on Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172!!! A hearty congratulations!! May we see many more!♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:14, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! I just filled two new red links in it, moar to come ;) BWV 22 next, for 2015, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:21, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Congrats!

Congrats on your TFA....and the FA as well. Well done! :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 13:45, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, pure pleasure! Looking forward to "your" station! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:48, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Lobet!

Thank you for your kind words and for all of the work you do regarding the Bach articles. Congrats on the FA of Erschallet! I'm very pleased to see a Bach cantata article get acknowledged as an FA!--FeanorStar7 15:56, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

I will sing with the spirit, and - see above - more are planned to appear on the Main page, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:00, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Why did you revert my edit

You reverted my edit on today's main article about Delius? Why?

84.92.148.68 (talk) 18:20, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Because every fact in Wikipedia needs a good reliable source. If you had been a registered user, I would have come to your talk page, but I didn't know if you would find the one with the IP number. I suggest that you discuss the matter on the article's talk page where more people look than here in my corner. Please use the "New section" function, that will automatically place your topic at the bottom, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:28, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Not to mention the fact that what you added was a complete lie. Cassianto^talk 18:43, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, but I'd rather not accept this.

Precious

German history
Thank you, academic historian, for adding to the historic correctness of articles related to Germany, for "following the admin's advice", for educating, precision, and keeping peace in Danzig, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:03, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

--IIIraute (talk) 00:33, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

I really appreciated this; thank you. – SJ + 23:00, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

see also, for more music below, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:48, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Brat

an annoying child who behaves badly. Also this.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:51, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

thank you, good to know ;) - did you see that I just adorned my user page with OTD music? (one of my better hooks, about Intermezzo, quote from a review: "all the shades between parlando and singing, and between a well-judged bitchy tone and finely shaped lines") --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:16, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

God, I love Strauss. What's "OTD music"?--Bbb23 (talk) 20:20, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK (did you know) that OTD means "on this day" (on the Main page every day)? Music related to 11 June, "well-judged bitchy tone" and Jesu, meine Freude, - well, the motet, I would like to improve that, but you saw the red links on top, right? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:28, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Good to know that OTD doesn't mean obsessive tangential disorder. Yup, noticed the red links.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:45, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

One less, the easy one, fixed by redirect, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:20, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

One delinked, one started, last for another day ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:50, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

I have discovered the concept of OTD music for the first time! I wonder how we could set up a radio based on this, similar to the Commons clock. – SJ + 23:01, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Puzzle

So, what is the connection between Strauss and Star Trek (TNG)? It's a good pub quiz question. Ermmmm, if you went to an odd pub, perhaps. :) DBaK (talk) 21:41, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Just guessing that the opening of Also sprach Zarathustra is good for may purposes. - I like his Lieder, such as Heimliche Aufforderung and Traum durch die Dämmerung, will go dream now--Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:50, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Close but no cigar. It's a sort-of personal link, through a piece of music. And, indeed, a Next Generation! :) Sweet dreams DBaK (talk) 21:59, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

New day: the dream gets real, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:44, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

A Special Barnstar For You

		The Special Barnstar
		A special barnstar for a special person who spreads special love here at Wikipedia. Thank you. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:54, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, love it especially (having been admonished of battleground behaviour in the most official way)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:56, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello

I was visiting wiki ... and wanted to drop by and say hi. "Hello" dear woman. I hope you and yours are well. Hugs always.

Ched — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.77.99.132 (talk) 15:54, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the most welcome visit, yes, well, and hugs back, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:49, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Wow! Annabel Breuer on the front page of the German Wikipedia! And at a great time too - the whole team takes to the courts for the World Championships next week. You're really special - you know that right? Hawkeye7 (talk) 10:58, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! - The timing was coincidence, of course, you nominate and then wait for 4 to 6 weeks, - good news: once on the front page, it stays for 48 hours, 24 pictured, 24 without. Every article on de-WP has the statistic right at the bottom, called Abrufstatistik. I plan to start another translation today, for a missed user, as this before. Yes, I know that remembering the missed ones is special ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:09, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Traum...

Re illustrating Traum durch die Dämmerung, would this work? —

Ooops! I guess not if it has to be wide meadows. Oh well. Sca (talk) 13:53, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

(ec) Beautiful image (memories of school homework), but no for two reasons: too foresty, - we need open meadow (translation), and no person, please, it's the perspective of a man on the way to his woman, none of them should be on in, to leave it timeless, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Any better? a bit "moorish" perhaps... Martinevans123 (talk) 20:53, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, better, thanks! I like that both grey and blue appear, as in the text. The ideal one is a painting from around 1900. The opposite of ideal is a nude - which I actually saw. I have the bird project today, but will add over the weekend, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Got your message, Gerda. Green suit's you

yes, my salad days ;) - the grey I'm looking for is on some Monet landscapes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:32, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

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You are just amazing! I just nominated, so far with an image of the composer, saying that we are looking. The moon is not mentioned, the stars are, and the meadows. The woman is not described! (other than saying that she is the most beautiful), she should not be "on". I like the joke ;) - So far I would chose the shepherd. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:44, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

I gave it a try, how does it look? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Sheperd?Hafspajen (talk) 16:06, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Gerda, that's amazing. What an inspired choice. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:07, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

• Oh, that one...shepherd - looks good, I say . Hafspajen (talk) 16:26, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Bernward Column

Hello! Your submission of Bernward Column at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Storye book (talk) 15:28, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Gerda. I just spotted this nom which needed your help 18 days ago, but the reviewer forgot to alert you, and you probably missed it, so I forwarded the alert today. --Storye book (talk) 15:28, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

I was only the nominator, and would not know without research where to find the citations. Ask the translator? Consider that it would be fine with just the surced material? - The typical translation from German, - no inline citations, just books without page numbers ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:01, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Bernward Doors

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Can you, Nightscream, please look around before you ask?

Yes, and I have, and indeed, I refrained from notifying an number of editors, inlcluding one who also had block notices on his/her talk page. But I'm not perfect. Sometimes I miss things. It happens. Peace. Nightscream (talk) 23:55, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Peace, and a good night ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:03, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Invisible rail

Hi Gerda, I'll do what I can, but I've been without the internet for nearly a week now, editing now through a friend's mobile phone plugged into my PC, but that link will only be available over the weekend. I think it may be a few more days until my phone line is sorted Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:37, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

No hurry, it will take a few weeks for it to mature ;) - Look for your name on my German user page! - Today's project (images above) has the line "Ich gehe nicht schnell, ich eile nicht", a good motto: I don't go fast, I don't rush" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:13, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Traum durch die Dämmerung

Put your edit in a text file before pressing save; I didnt realise you were still editing, and might have edit conflicted you. Ceoil (talk) 22:45, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for helping, all fine, no conflict. There will be more on the music, and recordings, but after sleep ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:50, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank god, was worried there. Ceoil (talk) 22:55, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Template gallery

I just ran across this template gallery for welcome messages and thought of you. The first time I wanted an infobox for an article, I had a terrible time finding one. Imagine if there was a gallery like this for infoboxes, how easy it that would make it for the users. Regards, —Neotarf (talk) 03:47, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for thinking of me but I am not the right one to ask for infoboxes ;) - I use "person" (for all people) and the two for compositions that I needed and created, that's about it. Look at Wikipedia:List of infoboxes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:18, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but you can't see what they look like. And how would someone who needed an infobox ever find that list? If you type in Wikipedia:Infobox it takes you to a wikiproject that I'm sorry to say doesn't look very active. Not a good start for someone who wants to learn about infoboxes or even just pick one quickly. It seems you would need hours of research to figure it out, something the average editor isn't really able to do. —Neotarf (talk) 08:22, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps I don't get the question? You click on a template and get to the documentation, showing you what it looks like, with examples, you can see further what links there and get to active inclusions, - what else do you need? Please ask the project if it's not enough, I am really not the one who could help you, perhaps Andy or Frietjes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

You're the one who cares about the infoboxes. And you know who all the infobox people are.

Okay, case number one: You want to put a welcome notice on someone's talk page but you don't know anything about it. And you don't like some of the notices you have seen. Maybe the user doesn't speak English very well, and needs one that is easy to understand. So you want to see what the notices look like and pick out one that is appropriate to the user. So you type in "welcome templates" and you get a page with a list of welcome templates. Another click and you can see what they all look like, just by scrolling down the page. You have just reached a page that shows all the templates together on one page and with only two keyclicks and two pageloads. And you reached that page by typing in a search word that inexperienced users might type. And all you have to do is select the one that looks like what you want, type in the code that's next to it on the user's talk page, and presto! they have a welcome message.

Case number two. You want an infobox, but you don't know anything about it and you want to know how it would look on your article. So you type "infobox" and you get "This WikiProject provides a central location for infobox designers and maintainers..." So you hang around for a year or two and you see an arbcom case about infoboxes with someone named Gerda on it and later on you think to ask on their talk page about the infobox problem you had way back a long time ago. So now they give you a new link to a page with a list of boxes. You click on one of the names on the list, wait for the page to load, and you see a page with a bunch of symbols that says "Template documentation". If you want "template documentation" for a different template, you can back click, wait for the original page to load, then go to a new page and click on that one and wait for it to load. By now you have used up the 20 minutes or so you have alloted to Wikipedia for that day, so you shut down your computer and forget about the infoboxes. At this point I don't remember what I did about looking for the infoboxes, but I do remember that I wasn't able to find any useful information using intuitive search terms. If you want to promote infoboxes, you should reach out to the people who want to use them, and make it easy for them to select what they need. —Neotarf (talk) 04:25, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Isn't that interesting that the world seems to know me as the one for infoboxes, while I don't know a technical thing about them, met the first infobox discussion as late in 2012, Samuel Barber, I was against them then (it's still on the talk page). I simply think they are good for my articles (and actually all articles), and defended that view in teh case. I never went your ways, asking in general, but copied what I found and asked a designer when it was not sufficient, please give me feedback on {{infobox Bach composition}}. I am restricted two 2 comments in a discussion (a blessing!), and I try to avoid the topic as too contentious, - please see the project. Your concerns are valid. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:52, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

The biggest problem is that there are far more types of infoboxes than e.g. welcome templates. At last count, I found over 2,000 of them and the list at Wikipedia:List of infoboxes may not even be complete as it is manually updated.

A gallery could only present a tiny fraction of what is available and even that would entail considerable effort in creating something representative. I do understand the problem you describe, but I can't see an easy solution. For what it's worth, I'd always follow links from a large list by opening each one in a new browser tab, so that I don't have to reload the list each time I want to follow a different link. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 09:33, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

If 2000 infoboxes are too much for an infobox specialist, just think what a challenge this must be to the average user, who just wants to pick something quickly from a list, and not have to redo it. Could you have a page displaying "ten most popular infoboxes for BLPs" "ten recommended infoboxes for schools" etc? Do they have categories on them, so you can see a list by category? Are they linked to any Wikiproject that has made a recommendation about them, like groups that edit a particular sports topic? Can you see where the infoboxes are used, so you can go to an actual article, and see how it is set up? And why oh why is WP:INFOBOX a link to an apparently inactive Wikproject for specialists, instead of to a generalized page for the user. User information is hidden in a help file somewhere. I suspect a lot of the resistance to infoboxes would dissipate if there was more effort to make this information accessible to the editors who are most likely to use them. How can you sell something without a catalog?

Gerda, you are not restricted from general discussion about infoboxes, see here specifically, you "may participate in wider policy discussions regarding infoboxes with no restriction". It's only talk about specific articles that will get you into trouble. Surely this does not include creating or reorganizing general infobox information for users. How does the German Wikipedia do it? —Neotarf (talk) 18:06, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Do you know what Trotz means? (DYK ... that the hymn "Jesu, meine Freude" (Jesus, my joy) by Johann Franck and Johann Crüger mentions singing in defiance of the "old dragon", death, and fear?) - I try to stay out of infobox discussions. (Even if I am kindly permitted to some.) Time is limited, look around on this page, I am here for music and helping with articles. Millions of articles found an infobox without me, including almost 150k for {{infobox person}} alone, not counting other biographies, - just a few classical composers look as if they are not part of this project, - do I care? - I care about the loss of people, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:56, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

ps: The German Wikipedia copied our template infobox Bach composition, without knowing that we created it ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:02, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Need help with translation

Aloha. I am sorry to bother you, but I have a few simple questions about an article in Der Spiegel. Google translate works fine to get the overall meaning, but when it comes to using the material in an article, that's another matter. For example, there's this sentence:

Molly Crabapple hat eine neue Rolle erfunden: die politische Journalistenkünstlerin. Sie zeichnet, schreibt journalistische Texte, und was ihr tagsüber durch den Kopf geht, twittert sie an ihre 41 000 Follower.

Google translate gives the following result:

Molly Crabapple has invented a new role: the political journalists artist. It is characterized writes journalistic texts, and what her daytime goes through her head, she tweets to her 41,000 followers.

I would like to use a more accurate English translation of die politische Journalistenkünstlerin. "The political journalists artist" doesn't sound right. Any ideas? Viriditas (talk) 09:34, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Problem is that "Journalistenkünstlerin" is a combination of words which is not possible in English. I would say "journalist and artist" and give the original in brackets for those who can enjoy it. Is there a verb "twitter", as in German? My version:

Molly Crabapple has invented a new role: the political journalist and artist. She draws and writes journalistic texts, and she "twitters" to her 41,000 followers her thoughts during the day.

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:45, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! I will provide both as you recommend. I may have another question about the article later. I will try not to bother you too much. I think the verb "twitter" is supposed to be "tweet", like a bird, as in "she tweets to her followers". Viriditas (talk) 09:56, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for "tweets" treats ;) - --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

:) Viriditas (talk) 10:15, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

You're so demanding!

Took of your hat, Gerda? - yes

Kiss's Belle (talk) 09:38, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, certainly when it comes to love, - look at the images above ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:46, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

OMG, it's totally about Twilight and love! You should definitely have a picture of Robin Pattinson and Kirsten Dunst in a meadow. What could be more romantic than vampires? Belle (talk) 10:02, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Probably better to illustrate a different song than this one, with pianissimo as the only volume marking ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:05, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

ps: a friend resigned, saying it's no more fun, - could you entertain him? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:08, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

I hope I'm not being cast in the role of class clown, sitting at the back flicking paper and pulling Becky Thompson's hair (I did get in trouble for pulling Becky Thompson's hair which is why I used her, but you can substitute her for any other girl with pullable hair.) Belle (talk) 10:24, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

I hate role casting! (Look above: I seem to be cast in the infobox role.) - I feel entertained well, and feel like I failed in the case of my brave knight ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:45, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Are you interested in the English translation in it? Hafspajen (talk) 10:28, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

I have several, different ones, under copyright. They are linked. I think the article translates enough of what is needed to understand, and I would not want to prefer one. (It's untranslatable anyway, no chance English could say Dämmergrau.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:37, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

You're so demanding! ... But I love you anyway... (not that I found those...) Hafspajen (talk) 10:39, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Let's see how it could be said in the article that the third of the scores is on an English text, and that the Hyperion ref has translations of three songs? not counting the last external link which says "translation"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Blobably needs to be bold type... For the weaker's sake... Hafspajen (talk) 10:52, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Seriously: I wrote hundreds of articles on music to German texts: people found the translations without bolding or didn't care ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:58, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Oh, it is certainly my fault. Hafspajen (talk) 17:24, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

What? That readers don't care. - I suggest to get the move request off our friend's page ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:27, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Of course. We only have to make up our mind where. Task forces or project page, .. . this is the question. Hafspajen (talk) 17:34, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

No, first get it off, wrap in "nowiki" or whatever, and say on the listing that it was a mistake ;) - The horse example and a sonata example tell me that it should be on one of the related article talks, mentioning the others, and announced on the project and task force. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:40, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Right, quite so. Good thinking. Hafspajen (talk) 17:42, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Tadeusz Kościuszko

Why revert a perfectly acceptable edit? [32]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Kosciuszko#Higher_Australian_mountains — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.67.255.122 (talk) 10:04, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

I thought that the reader would be mainly interested in the person, not the specific geography and politics of Australia. There is a link to more information. Which "Australia" claimed what territory when in history? I don't think it matters. - However, I didn't say the edit was unacceptable, - I might have added "unnecessary detail". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:56, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Konstanty Andrzej Kulka

Gerda, please see this discussion for some background. The creator of the article has now "disappeared". Can you help expand the article? Do you know someone who could? Article content isn't my forte, and working on an article about a Pole when I don't even know the language is that much harder. I know it's not choral-related, but it is classical music. In glancing at the Polish wiki, it doesn't look like there are many sources for the material. I'm not keen on adding material that is unsourced, even though I've created a mostly unsourced framework. Plus, I don't know how notable the fellow is outside Poland where there might be English sources. I admit I haven't done much research into it, though.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:24, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

I added 2 links from the university, one in English saying that he is head of the faculty for strings, and a bio in Polish, + a bio from Naxos, - your turn, and perhaps Poeticbent, the poet of the WP poem "Letting go ..." ... of the blocked and banned fairies who would do the work for us ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:43, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll see if I can get around to working some material in supported by the links and then move the links to refs. It'd be nice if we could get more secondary reliable sources to support who he is and why he's notable.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:36, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Once I have an admin watching: Category:Hochschule Furtwangen University doesn't look like it's meant to be a category. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:08, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

 Done. Enjoy. Poeticbent talk 23:21, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! - Now we just need an admin for the move of the university, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:57, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

... or to delete it as a blatant copyvio, unfortunately. Bencherlite^Talk 09:36, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, I probably should have looked, - I only saw something with a very strange name (Hochschule AND University) pop up in a very strange place, + it was late ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:40, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Copyvio also in the history at Hochschule Furtwangen University, which I have cleaned; I have left a message for the user in question, Divakar246448. Bencherlite^Talk 09:47, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello!

Just wanted to say thank you for the award -- it is much appreciated. Looking at your user page, it says you were born in 2009 (age 4?) This can't be true! Is there some sort of mistake or typo here? Just curious. Beautiful church, btw, and so are its choir members. God bless. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 16:33, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

My user was born then ;) - more memories of the real GA available further down in the box, and on top of the user page, below what I stand for, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:36, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

The Saint (radio program)

Because you were interested in my work in old-time radio, I thought you might like to know that I have posted an article on The Saint (radio program). Eddie Blick (talk) 20:58, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Nice! Interesting Saint ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:12, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Emma Kirkby/Hildegard von Bingen

Gerda, I appreciate your thanks for my edits to the Emma Kirkby page. My thanks to you for your edits of the Canticles of Ecstasy page. I will try to create more Hildegard album pages, which I hope you will review. Best regards. Roger Carlofantom (talk) 11:59, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I enjoy it! I watch your page, - if you list new articles there I will notice. Later today, a picture I took will appear on the Main page, did you know. The article is missing something that Emma has now ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:04, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Schloss Weimar

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:07, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Traum durch die Dämmerung

Hi Gerda -- this article is so interesting. Most people would think to make the article centered around the Strauss song. Instead, you made the poem the center. Do you see this useful for other poems that have been set by multiple composers, or is this case an exception? Thanks for all that you do. -- kosboot (talk) 18:21, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

The poem was the start of the inspiration, and (may the poet excuse me) not good/notable enough to stand on its own, but good in the context, - an article to grow, - when I started I didn't know that others set the same text, and it would be good to know if they did it independently or knew the Strauss version, - curiosity never ends ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The structure of the article Der Erlkönig is similar to Traum durch die Dämmerung. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:54, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Good example, thank you. I didn't know it yet. Why is it not "Erlkönig"? - For Der Handschuh, we have a separated article on a setting, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Tavener choral works

Hi Gerda.
One of my favourite is "God is with us: Christmas Proclamation", which hasn't got an article yet.
Here it is on YouTube sung by the Choir of King's College, Cambridge. Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 13:30, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

post script: I've just discovered that the above is from the same Naxos CD I've listening to for years, which also included The Lamb!

The expert on English language hymns and music (including the "Easter scandal" Jesus Christ Is Risen Today) is The C of E, - I am traveling and busy, - but perhaps wait for Christmas? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

"Easter scandal"? That issue has its own name? Have I accidentally written myself into Wikipedia folklore because of Jesus Christ is Risen Today appearing on the main page on Easter? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 16:34, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Not every DYK hook made it to a highly watched page and had an admin threatened to be desysopped ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:41, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Precious

	The Precious Gerda award
	Now is that fair that you should be the one who gives away all that gorgious gems and receive none? (Oh, well, you did actually, as I can notice, above. At least one more... ) Hafspajen (talk) 20:48, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Red light!!

Thank you, love it. Today's went to an editor who had been proclaimed awesome three times before, and I received one awesome, three sapphires, a moonstone, an emerald, and now an aquamarine, but it's not fattening, just flattering, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Can you translate a bit of sv:Mansoor Hosseini? Heard the premiere of the top piece, interesting! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:34, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Well, I can try, sigh. This is Gerda, you give her or jewelry and she gives you work... Hafspajen (talk) 23:05, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

• Hm, that WAS interesting. French, apparently. I try. Hafspajen (talk) 23:10, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

• You give her jewelry and she gives you an idea ;) - here of a bird in red sky (see my user page, pumpkin sky) by an Iranian composer who lives in Sweden, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:32, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Hussy

A little warning -a music school is NOT the regular music gymnasium, but something with a much lower profile. (and filnm school) A kind of Hochschule, but NOT university and not music High school. No regular education, I may say, but bits and parts here and there.

Mansoor Hosseini, born 1967, is a Swedish composer.

Mansoor Hosseini has studied composition under Phillipe Capdenat and Yoshihisa Taïra in Paris. He studied music theory and computer music with Peter Swinnen at the Royal Conservatory of Brussels and composition for Carl-Axel Hall in the Gothenburgs Music school. He later studied film scoring at the University of Gothenburg and scriptwriting at Gothenburg's film school, now the Akademin Valand. After studying with George Aperghis he started to compose music in Mauricio Kagel's style.

In 2003, Hosseini founded Gothenburg Music & Dance Company (GMDC), which in 2007 transformed into the Ensemble Themus in Gothenburg with a goal to popularize the concept of theatrical music -or theatre music? bit unclear concept His work in theatrical music is inspired by modern dance, theater and martial arts.

As a percussionist Hosseini is fascinated by improvisation. He employs a lot of improvisation and sometimes uses a system of improvisation in his compositions that gives freedom to the musicians to improvised in a controlled and measured way. He lectures in musical notation, composition, communication between musicians and composers and musicians and musical notation. (whatewever that is)

== Selected works ===== Orchestral works ===

• 2014 – Bright Blue Bird, In a Grey Red Sky - violin & orkester
• 2014 – Waves Above - blockflöjt concerto
• 2014 – Non Se Que Que Quen Za Za - violinorkester
• 1999 – Into the Earth - oboe concerto

=== Chamber music ===

• 2013 – Psychological Song - mezzosopran & cello
• 2013 – Three Words - mezzosopran & gitarr
• 2013 – Taïraphone - saxofon & percussion
• 2013 – Cold, Dry Wind - piano
• 2012 – Zapp Music - gitarr
• 2012 – Mountain Top - 3 blowinstument tree? & piano (woodwind!)
• 2012 – Rubaiyat - mezzosopran & piano
• 2011 – 3 tangos - kvartett
• 2011 – Mr & Mrs Saxophone - tenor saxofon
• 2011 – Heavy Metal Bars - violin
• 2011 – Labyrinth of Moods - blockflöjt, mezzosopran & slagverk
• 2010 – Coffee Time - percussiontrio
• 2008 – Four For Four - 4 celli
• 2008 – Working Time - percussiontrio
• 2007 – Le Sonnet - orgel
• 2006 – Sonata for a Prisoner - violin
• 2006 – Swedish Raga - Bb klarinett, cello & drumms
• 2006 – Barock ’n’ Roll - 8 instrument & dirigent
• 2002 – Taïraga - 13 instrument
• 2001 – Esfand I - stråkkvartett, didjeridoo & slagverk
• 2000 – Bones (fourth piece) - viola, piano, mezzosopran & synthesizer
• 1999 – Âvâz - flöjt, Bb klarinett & trumpet
• 1998 – Bones (second piece) - cello & piano

== Referenser ==

• "Mansoor Hosseini". Svensk musik. Retrieved 7 februari 2014. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
• "Mansoor Hosseini". Föreningen svenska tonsättare. Retrieved 7 februari 2014. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)

== Externa länkar ==

• Personlig webbplats

That bit about "komunikation ... mellan musiker/musiknotation" is bit odd, I don't know how you can communicate with the notation. Maybe it is meant to be interpretation of musical notation but that's not what it says. Belle (talk) 15:09, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Shamelessly taken with thanks to Mansoor Hosseini, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:46, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Bernward Column

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:23, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

What

What are those little cloths called, with embroideries, in old villages put on the wall? What are they called and do we have an article on it? Hafspajen (talk) 14:30, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, don't know even in German for sure. One is "Wandbehang", which goes to Tapestry but isn't exactly the same, another starting point might be Needlepoint, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Embroidery, cross-stitch (sometimes, if cross-stitching is used, anyway), needlepoint, name depends on technique. Montanabw^(talk) 21:13, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

That's the technique, but how do you call the things hanging on the wall? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Sampler (needlework). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:36, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

The things you know! I confess I didn't believe it until I got to the line: "The word "sampler" is sometimes inaccurately applied to any piece of needlework meant for display." ;) - I just created a composer. I didn't do a thing, Belle did the translation, but I turned the link to blue, so by the unfathomable wisdom of our arbitrators I created it. I would say that the term "create" is also sometimes inaccurately applied. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

ps: see also de:Stickmustertuch (but I never heard that term before, - learning) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:46, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

I only filled in some tiny bits in Hafspajen's translation, so don't go giving me too much credit. (and I noticed I forgot to translate the instruments, but you seem to have got them anyway). Belle (talk) 22:29, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

I should have looked at contribs, not signature alone ;) - Hafspajen, here are many thanks for you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Ah, the crown of thorns. Thanks Belle, do you know Swedish? Hafspajen (talk) 22:54, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

• 
  Rosengarten Eltville
• 
  for translations
• 
  for dreams
• 
  Rosa Elmshorn (by W. Kordes' Söhne, a truly great rosarian 1951)

Some thorns come with roses, - take some for overcoming disgust, some for translations, some for dreams --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:54, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

My great-grandmother is Swedish and since she passed 90 she's started pretending she can't understand English any more. Belle (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 23:10, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Aha! Thought so, you were very sure handed on a couple Swenglish expressions! Hafspajen (talk) 23:28, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Lovely pictures... You don't happened to look at the little white patch with the rose name? This looks like an Elmshorn, for example. File:Roses Eltville 2014-3.JPG. Hafspajen (talk) 14:52, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

The two close-ups were not in the garden, where they have labels, but one on the bank of the Rhine, the other (pink) close to the boats. That one actually may have a label, I will look on my next visit. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:00, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Normandy landing

Not to blow up the DYK nomination further: I don't know what 11/11 means, and if it's November, I guess the answer is no, at least I asked about August in May and the answer was "no, no more than six weeks in advance". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:11, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

11/11 is the American way of saying Remembrance Day. In the UK it's a time of respect and remembrance of the fallen of all nations; not a time of triumph but a time of humility. The Queen wears black in mourning for the lost and the bereaved of all nations, and there is a cathedral service of remembrance. I agree about the minimum six weeks in advance for DYK special occasions queues. However my experience of WP tells me that it's quicker and more peaceful to keep all requests open to view, and to allow the consensus to do its work. So no worries, I think this one will work out the way you want. --Storye book (talk) 13:34, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation, that really helped, - abbreviations are sometimes tough, but just numbers even more so. Having understood, I think it's not a good idea to single out one battle - even an important one - on that day. All requests are open to view and change, even those for Special occasions, on the same page. I have no personal "want" for that article to appear, several options are good, as long as a hook mentioning 6 June doesn't appear in July or one mentioning 21 July on a different day. - Lovely to see one of "your" churches in the queue! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:04, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, yes it's a relief to see my church nom promoted at last. The publicity helps the public appreciate the quality of their local buildings, so that maybe in the future they will not stick white plastic windows and flat-roofed lavatories all over them. We can only hope. --Storye book (talk) 16:24, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Bruckner's cantatas

Beste Gerda!

As you can see I have created a new template for Bruckner's cantatas. Currently there are wiki-pages for only three of Bruckner's cantatas (Festive Cantata, Germanenzug and Helgoland).

During the Kronstorf and Sankt Florian periods Bruckner composed five Name-day cantatas. Two of these earlier cantatas were re-issued later for other Name-days or other festivities (see WAB 61b, 61c, and WAB 93b, 93c on List of compositions by Anton Bruckner). Unfortunately the are very few literature available on these earlier cantatas and only two (the Festgesang WAB 60 and the Mayer Cantate WAB 15) have been recorded as yet. I am, however, intended to draft wiki-pages on these earlier cantatas (which could be expanded, when new literature data or new recordings would be available).

Do you agree?

Beste Grüße aus Belgien, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:24, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

I agree. I friend of mine is thinking about a name for a cantata, Carpe diem, for a school's anniversary ;) - For my dear connections to Belgium see here, updated after two unhappy years without a concert, look at the plan! - A year ago, I have been called an infobox-warrior, did you know? Here, of all places, see? My answer was this. Dona nobis pacem, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:56, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Your optimism

What can I say that you haven't already said?

I know! WP would be a MUCH friendlier place if there were more editors with your view of the world!!

Best wishes (and thanks), Pdfpdf (talk) 14:46, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. See above, I have been called a warrior, almost exactly a year ago, - thank goodness I can laugh about that and sing ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:55, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank goodness for people with your view of the world!!!! Pdfpdf (talk) 15:00, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

bzzt, they need to be "admonished for treating Wikipedia as if it were a battleground and advised to better conduct themselves." (link from "here" on top of my user page) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:05, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

... (I can only agree. Pdfpdf (talk) 15:15, 24 June 2014 (UTC))

I wish we could clone Gerda! Hey Gerda my new living guitar hero now Paco has passed is this guy.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:47, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Ján Zimmer

Hallo Gerda--maybe this is something you can help the editor with improving? Drmies (talk) 16:35, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

I started. I would like to know where this comes from because I don't see another Wikipedia article. Without access to a source, I find it a bit tricky. I had no idea that we don't have a category for the composers of symphonies, at least I can't find one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:07, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Gustav Mahler picture deletion

This sculpture by Jan Koblasa is a central part of Gustav Mahler park in Jihlava.--NoJin (talk) 18:52, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Did you see my edit summary? I said that it is a good picture, but in a wrong position for two reasons: it has nothing to do with his family (the paragraph where you placed it), and no picture should be on the left opposite of one on the right. I don't know the article (of featured article quality) well enough to know where a good position would be. Your best chances are to go to the talk page of the article and suggest the inclusion of this picture. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:00, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

I have no German, but I rolled two identical refs together. The map doesn't have a legend, and English publications aren't all labelled as such. Otherwise looks OK Jimfbleak - talk to me? 18:05, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Drumming thank you! Isn't it interesting that the bird is called for its sound in German, and for its invisibility in English? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:41, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Georg Poplutz

Hello! Your submission of Georg Poplutz at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 22:37, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

No article?

File:Hatunah Be-Yaar (Wedding in the Forest).jpg

File:Dwarf in Volgograd 001.JPG

Bonus mushroom

de:Else Wenz-Viëtor, what a shame... no article, no pictures. [33] Hafspajen (talk) 09:42, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Change that shame (start in a sandbox) ;) - I have several things on my to-do-list and very little time today, travelling, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:16, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

ps: no images on the left under a header please --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:16, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Ah, forgot your preferences... Hafspajen (talk) 11:18, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

WP:IMAGELOCATION against "sandwiching", and I still follow the former guideline: Avoid placing images on the left at the start of any section or subsection, because it makes it harder for readers to find the beginning of the text. Images on the left are best placed somewhere after the first paragraph. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:29, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Gerdaaaaa... Hafspajen (talk) 11:32, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

I can hear you ;) - The TFA has it wrong every day, - they changed the guideline. Today's TFA is by another one of the missing friends, did you see that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:39, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Oh, ^blast... Hafspajen (talk) 12:32, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

He edited today! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:34, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Nice Hafspajen (talk) 12:42, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Siegfried Palm

As you know, the Palm page photograph was removed as it did not meet copyright specs. A new wiki 'fair use' photo has been created , without Alois Kontarsky, his duo partner. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Siegfried_Palm_1971_dedicated_photo_from_first_of_two_Southern_Africa_musical_tours.jpg My preference is to re-use the photo of both, which I can issue under the same 'fair use' category, but would like your opinion. Aldercraft (talk) 14:30, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Both is fine with me, I like to show him playing with the other, - that was my second article on Wikipedia ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

The Final Cut

Hi, Gerda!

Wow! You look like a really busy Wikipedian! So I'm doubly appreciaive of your support for my efforts on the Talk:The_Final_Cut_(album) page. Thank you so much!

What would really help me is if you go to that article, review the two edits being fought over, and expressed your preferences on the article's Talk page. Anybody can post to a talk page, whether they contributed to the article or not. It would help me A LOT to have some support, because right now it's 3 against 1, and I am the 1.

Either way, I wish you the best! ~j.

I am busy, and at the moment too busy - there's life besides WP - to study the case more, but will watch. Look for my name on talk N and see that I try to avoid confrontation, there's more than enough already ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Infoboxes for other Bruckner's works

Beste Gerda,

When I made some update of the pages on Bruckner's symphonies they had already an infobox. As you suggest I will adapt the content of one of them to create an infobox for Bruckner's other pages.

Beste Grüße, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 07:43, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Above, they wanted to clone me, - it seems to work ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:24, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I have just created an infobox for Mass No. 1. If you are OK with it, I will do the same for the other Masses and vocal works. Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 08:37, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Beautiful! I made a few minor changes. Infoboxes are criticised for being "too long", therefore I dropped "composed" for now, as performance and publishing help to the same dates. The parameter would be useful if he had worked on it for a long time before, for example, or if it was never performed or we don't know when. Keep simple ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:32, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

OK so! For this Mass there is only one version according to the Kritische Gesamtausgabe. For Mass No. 2 it is a little more complex, because it was composed in 1866 (first version), first performed in 1869, and a second version was composed in 1882.--Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:52, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Here's an example of two pieces (might be versions) with different data, - an alternative is to have two infoboxes in the same article, recommended if more parameters are different than equal,

I have in the meantime created the infobox for Mass No. 2, adapting that used for Symphony No. 1. Is it OK for you?

Question: How should I proceed with Bruckner's early Masses on which there are 3 different (short) works? Should I then put 3 different infoboxes?

--Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:47, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I would actually think about splitting them in three articles, however short, much easier to link to and to serve readers who want to know only about one (not mentioning that the masters of spelling might insist on a lowercase "masses"), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:03, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I have in the meantime created the infobox for Mass No. 3. Is it OK for you? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:25, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Great! Took me a while to fix Augustinerkirche, at least a bit. - should be moved ;) - How about a image of the three places in the three Mass articles? In the box or in the text, for a feeling of history. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:45, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I have also created the infoboxes for the Missa solemnis and the Requiem. OK for you too?

As suggested I will split the Bruckner's early Masses in a summary article and three articles ("Windhaager Messe", "Kronstorfer Messe" and "Messe für den Gründonnerstag"). --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:55, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

In the meantime I have created the infobox for Helgoland, Germanenzug and Festive Cantata. Please check whether it is OK for you. I will now do the same for the psalm settings. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:35, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Psalm 22, Psalm 114 and Psalm 112 are already done. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 20:38, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Did you know that you are an angel, flying gracefully and efficiently over a minefield? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:04, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your accurate review of the Infoboxes. I have in the meantime created those for the settings of Psalm 146 and Psalm 150. I will follow with those for the Magnificat and the Te Deum, and later with those for the few other instrumental works. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:39, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Infoboxes for the Magnificat and the Te Deum created. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:17, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

New day: did you notice that your miraculous additions made me change the top of this page from defiance to dreams? - Fine tuning: we talked bout the images, the vocal compositions would profit from parameters on the text (I will do Psalm 150, as an example), the biblical text could be linked to Wikisource (same), everything in the infobox should also be in the text (I didn't always check that), and some more performers could possibly be linked, at least to corresponding German articles (use {{ill}} then). Magnificat: there are examples, such as Magnificat (Rutter) and Magnificat (Schütz). The Lord bless you and keep you, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:29, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

I looked at Psalm 50, added text parameters, also {{lang}} for passages in languages other than English (which helps people using screen readers) and linked a bit more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:13, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Beste Gerda, as proposed during our discussion of yesterday I have split the page Bruckner's early Masses and made separate pages for each of the three Masses. I can so create Infoboxes for each of these masses. Is it so OK for you? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:45, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:59, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

The infoboxes for the 3 early masses are created. Thank you again for your nice collaboration. I will create the infoboxes for the remaining instrumental works (Overture in G minor, etc.) on another day. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:24, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

When reviewing the Infoboxes, I have added a few wikilinks and corrected some copy-and-paste errors. I will check later whether every info in the infobox is consistent with that in the remaining of the page. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 18:35, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Errrr ...

Are you the only sane person editing WP? (I used to think that, on the whole, "most" people were sane ... ) Pdfpdf (talk) 14:35, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I am not sure that I am sane. Are you? Does it matter? ;) (any particular reason for your musing?) (I like to work with many people, most of them called Precious, like yourself, hundreds of them.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:40, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Oh dear.

Young lady, you are a gem.

In my (undoubtedly biased opinion), you add ENORMOUS positive value to WP. Pdfpdf (talk) 16:25, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Traum durch die Dämmerung

Gatoclass (talk) 08:17, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Congrats for the above! Hafspajen (talk) 12:10, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Ditto, it looks really good. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 22:26, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

At last

So I have a gift for you, dear Gerda (as you saw) – Joel Brand, spruced up a little and ready to go. There's one book I used as a source that I still need to check (there's always one!), but I should get round to it within the next day or two. The article can always be improved, but I think the basics are in place. I'm still not hugely keen on TFA, but I won't kick and scream this time if it happens, at least not too much. Thank you once again for your patience and understanding! SlimVirgin ^(talk) 21:27, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, good news, articles and no kicking ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:35, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Checked dates: as much as I prefer birthdays, the 50th anniversary of his death is tempting, - you don't have to look ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

I did look at that, and kind of had it in mind because Bencherlite mentioned it, but most of July seems to be taken already. Oh, what a shame ... :) SlimVirgin ^(talk) 21:55, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

I can juggle... Bencherlite^Talk 22:03, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

I was afraid you would say that! I think I'll have to leave it up to you and Gerda. I've gifted it to her. (Gerda, is this the first time you've had an article as a present?) SlimVirgin ^(talk) 22:24, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Probably the first, I would hopefully remember ... - a precious gift! Nominated, for 13 July or possibly 28 July (or any day, why not). Please improve the blurb, pruning is difficult for someone who doesn't know the article as well as you do. - I often think of people when I write articles, some are mentioned on my user page, including my grandfather ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:32, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Psalmen Davids

Gatoclass (talk) 16:03, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Farmer Brown

The title is more than just my alt name and alter ego. Not sure if you've seen this, but I figured you would enjoy this little essay I wrote some time back. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 16:24, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I enjoyed it - again ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:29, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

ps: look above for grandfather, who would have fit nicely (also mentioned in this thread) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:35, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Sounds like an interesting man :) I'm curious if there are other, similar versions of this in other cultures. It seems a pity to only have the one very American version of the parable. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 16:40, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I know one remotely similar, but it could also be US first, about a business consultant and his bet with a shepherd. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:47, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

In one of my favourite operas, Gianni Schicchi, the hero is the peasant, who is the witty one to fake a will in favour of a noble family, not forgetting to give himself more than all others, - and his daughter is then "fit" to marry one of them. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Gianni Schicchi
by Giacomo Puccini
Will scene in the premiere at the Met
Description	One-act opera, part of Il Trittico
Librettist	Giovacchino Forzano
Language	Italian
Based on	Dante's Divine Comedy
Premiere	14 December 1918 (1918-12-14) Metropolitan Opera

Dennis, Here's my alternative info, thanks for appreciating redundance, - nice because typically the first argument against this is redundance ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:28, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

You're such a smart lady, you humble me regularly with your vast knowledge. I need regular humbling, so you are doing me a favor. ;) Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 20:06, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Do you want to make me blush? (Examples pictured further up.) - This is not knowledge, it's interest. - Did you look at our FA? What do you think of the image in the upper right corner? Do you recognize that it is supposed to be a navbox? Do you like to navigate away from an article which you just entered? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:15, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

You ask a lot of questions, young lady. I noticed the info box with the drop down menu, I've seen Eric do that before, I like those for many articles, although I prefer traditional infoboxes for science stuff. I did enjoy theatre in my youth (participating and watching), but opera has always escaped me. It's like they're singing a foreign language... Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 20:35, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Be careful, very careful, see above for minefield. - This thing is not a collapsed infobox, as Eric sometimes uses, but see also. This is a navbox, tells you nothing about the article, but navigates away from it. The normal position for a navbox is on the bottom, and guess what? There it is. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I noticed it looked different, the headers and such. That is different and pretty useful stuff. But will it be confusing to readers expecting a traditional "see also" section but its missing? Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 21:33, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

For me, the navbox at the bottom is pretty useful. I am not sure what's useful for you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

No, it is useful, but if users are used to seeing a "see also" and they don't, it might not immediately obvious. Consistency. I'm sure I would get voted down, but I'm one that like redundancy in stuff like that, and would probably like both. I'm funny that way. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 21:44, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Start over: Did you see the singer (where Eric helped)? What would you think if you came to a singer article, and instead of telling you when he was born and where he studied, you would get a navigation to other singers who studied with the same teacher, and not a picture of the singer, but of the teacher. ?? (And forgive me: I have no idea how "see also" comes into play.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

• I think the idea is interesting, again, kind of like a "see also" feature simply because they are tangentially related. I'm not sure about the example you use here (most singers that have articles here didn't study with someone, so consistency is a problem), but I'm intrigued by the idea in general. It isn't very "wikipedia", but it seems to be very "encyclopedia". I do like the idea of a nav box on an opera that links all the other operas from the same composer. That could be true with any musician, for example. Not prepared to have a final opinion, but the idea is very interesting. I can see that in some kinds of articles, it would be a huge improvement, I'm just not smart enough to know what all types of articles off the top of my head. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 12:50, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I think we agree more than it looks. I am all for a navbox of all (or at least the notable) operas/works of a composer, but please where a navbox belongs: at the bottom. Look at Gianni Schicchi: it's at the bottom, {{Giacomo Puccini}} - Many composers have one. - The other navbox on top - which was there before - can't be as well formatted, - horizontal is better for a presentation of groups. I chose the (hypothetical) example to show how little sense it makes to me, to showcase not the topic of the article (opera/singer), but instead something secondary (composer/teacher). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:06, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Ugh

Before you check who painted this, who do you think it did? (unless you know already)

What am I doing wrong?? I forgot how to nominate a DYK. It is Hans Baluschek expanded by Sca Template:Did you know nominations/Hans Baluschek. Hafspajen (talk) 17:35, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

OK, Yngvadottir fixed that. Hafspajen (talk) 18:04, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I knew that one ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

No fooling around here... Hafspajen (talk) 20:59, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

By the way, those churches - do they count like one, or they count separate? Hafspajen (talk) 21:01, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

qpq, you mean? I did a major review in that giant nom, which I counted as one, but the two others were so similar that I used them together. In this case, when you nominated for someone else, NO qpq is required, but they love you for doing an optional one, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Then I save it for other times. Hafspajen (talk) 00:18, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Oh, 2012 June 30.... Two years old... Gerda, can you help me find a reference for this Hans Baluschek beeing considered as an Entartete Kunst artist? Just realized that we don't have any refs and I am not getting any response because Sca just translated the article - and they don't seems to have any refs on it either (not on that sentence, as far I can see) Hafspajen (talk) 13:15, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

No time right now, fixed the Wikisource, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:38, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Well, I added SOMETHING, that I hope it supports it - as far as I could judge. Hafspajen (talk) 16:46, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Infoboxes for other Bruckner's works (instrumentals)

Beste Gerda,

I have just created Infoboxes for the String Quintet (WAB 112) and its Intermezzo (WAB 113), and the String Quartet (WAB 111) and its Alternative Rondo (WAB deest). Are these Infoboxes OK for you?

Beste Grüße, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 21:14, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Fine! In both cases, I would mention the alternative movement in the lead and have a redirect. In the second infobox, I would have "alternative" both cases, or none, - none I guess because otherwise it looks like part of the name ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:24, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I have just created Infoboxes for the Four Orchestral Pieces. OK for you? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 07:37, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

The boxes are fine, - looks like the article title isn't, should be Four orchestral pieces, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:47, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

The 4 orchestral pieces are described so in the Gesamtausgabe. Before they were published separately. In the wiki-article they are described separately.

I have also created the box for the Overture.

String Quintet (Bruckner): in the meantime someone has removed the infobox for the Intermezzo without providing with a reason for doing so. What do you think? Should we revert it or create a separate wiki-page for the Intermezzo? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 08:26, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Look above: mention the Intermezzo in the lead, with a redirect Intermezzo (Bruckner) to the article, and think about moving it, - there's no piece called Four Orchestral Pieces. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:39, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Hopefully I have understood what you meant about the Intermezzo. I have restored the Infobox about the Intermezzo (as "Alternative Intermezzo"), drafted a separate section "Alternative Intermezzo" in String Quintet (Bruckner) and created a Page Intermezzo (Bruckner), which redirects to String Quintet (Bruckner). Is it OK so?

The "Drei Sätze für Orchester" WAB 97 and the "Marsch in d-Moll" WAB 96 were originally published separately. Currently there are grouped in the Gesamtausgabe as "Vier Orchesterstücke" [34] and also generally recorded together. How can I solve this issue? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:18, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

There's not "the solution", I'm afraid. First: mention the above high up in the article, including the German names, best with redirects for all names and translations (such as Three movements for orchestra). Look if translations are titles, published in English, then capitalize. As the three and the march have different catalogue entries, even separate articles were an option. However, Psalmen Davids is one article, with 26 catalogue numbers. Another example of published together leads to one article: Celtic Voices and Hale Bopp. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:06, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Done, with refs to the catalogue of the Gesamtausgabe German and English version.

Problem: Nikkimaria has again has removed the 2nd infobox String Quintet (Bruckner) for the Intermezzo without providing with "not 2" as reason for doing so. Please advise. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:11, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

First: you explain Intermezzo in the lead and have a redirect. Then you ask for explanation on the article talk (after perhaps reading the many requests on her talk page to be less cryptic in edit summaries. She did something similar here). You have so nice polite ways, perhaps you are able to reach understanding ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:31, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I always try to avoid conflicts. In the meantime I have put a message on Nikkimaria's talkpage. Let's see whether she will reply... --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:03, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. It's not "forbidden", look at the example, there are still two (were three before) ;) - In the meantime I tried to sort out the names of the 4 orch pieces and their parts, please check if you agree, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:05, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your changes. I am waiting for Nikkimaria's reply. Hopefully she will in the meantime not remove the second infobox of the "Four orchestral pieces " and the "String Quartet"! --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:16, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Peace music

Look, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:21, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I have in the meantime combined the content of the two original Infoboxes "String Quintet" and "Intermezzo". I am not very happy with result.--Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:47, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I agree, it looks confusing, with so many data different, - I would restore the former version and argue on the article talk page if needed, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:15, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I have put on the comment page of String Quintet and Nikkimaria's talk page that we were not very happy with the combined infobox and that I was intended to restore the original infoboxes. Some time later I have restored them. There is in the meantime no reaction from Nikkimaria and the restored the infobox for "Intermezzo" is still present (hopefully definitively!). Have a fine evening! --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 18:06, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

FYI: In the meantime I have been thanked for it by Moxy. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 18:55, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Look for Moxy (or "shout the loudest") here ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:08, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Saw my name - got to love the ping thing. I still feel the same way as then....that is let the main editors decide the content and layout preferred. Don't let Wikiproject members bully you around - this POV is policy as per WP:Advice pages. All that is needed is a talk about the merit and disadvantages. In this case the second box is nice but does look a bit out of place. But that said I would respect the choice of the main contributors to have it there if they wish since there is no policy broken... as in not misleading, no OR etc.. No need to cause conflict for no reason - best the content editor move on to a new article - not wasting time trying to defend there valid contributions. To be honest I generally stay away for this problem now - as in dont edit classical music article much. I do read lots of them and fix refs from time to time. On a side note I just finished Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia and would love Nikki or Gerda Arendt to look it over perhaps a nice copy edit as you both know my grammar skills are lacking. Fuhghettaboutit has done a great job copyeditng behind me but would love a third set of eyes. -- Moxy (talk) 01:45, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for coming over, Moxy, same sound thinking as ever! - Main editor, what do you think of splitting the four in three and one, and have extra articles on the extra movements in the string pieces? (as Nikkimaria forked BWV 120a off BWV 120, and several others, and therefore several Bach cantata articles don't have an infobox) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:46, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Bruckner

Beste Gerda, Writing pages on Bruckner's works is not an easy job, because there are often several versions and editions of his works, and a lot works, e.g. the String Quartet and Psalm 146, were not issued, even never performed during his life. The older books over Bruckner are mostly not giving very accurate info on this matter. I had so to update, even correct in depth several wiki-pages on Bruckner's works. For this purpose C. van Zwol's recent book is an excellent reference - unfortunately only available in Dutch. I would have preferred to have two boxes than one. If others think that one box is the best choice, I will not quarrel. I will review the concerned articles (String Quartet, String Quintet and Four Orchestral Pieces) and check whether the removed info is present in the body of the article. Beste Grüße aus Belgien, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:20, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I think - see above - that your best bet might be to split Intermezzo from the String quintet, not to confuse readers by too much in one, and to have it appear in a list of Intermezzos, for example, - we don't have to follow the organization of the German Wikipedia which doesn't have any article. Similar: the march and the quartet. The four pieces, I would create two new articles, one for 3, one for one. - I reorganized this page a bit, hope that's ok with you. What you do about Bruckner's works is unique! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:33, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

As you suggest, it would indeed better to do so, as I did for Bruckner's early Masses, i.e., having a lead article for the Four Orchestral Pieces and linked articles for the Drei Sätze für Orchester and the Marsch in d-Moll, and split the "Intermezzo" and the "Alternative Rondo" from their lead article.

Thank you again for your appreciated advice. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:53, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

PS: I is for me not obvious why Nikkimaria removed the second infobox of the String Quintet and the Four Orchestral Pieces, but not that of the String Quartet. Is it because its "Alternative Rondo" is put in another band of the Gesamtausgabe? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:45, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I confess that I can't read Nikkimaria's mind ;) - She follows me everywhere, but it's perhaps good for my writing to feel under permanent observation, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:02, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Nikkimaria has removed the second infobox of the String Quintet in the meantime, as well as some "trivia" in other infoboxes and pages. I will not react to it. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:26, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

Dear Gerda, thank you so much for your appreciation and thanks for my short introduction to Anne Sofie von Otter. I'm admiring your outstanding efforts for Wiki very much. One thought: You are writing outstanding articles about the Bach cantatas. Obviously you know nearly all interpretations, especially those by Rilling. In this coherence and your personal involvement to Francfort: You surely know Hans Joachim Erhard, an outstanding organist and especially (!) continuo player in the recording cycles of the cantatas with Rilling until his death in 1990. I personally think, he should be included in Wiki, because he really is/has been notable. How do you think about? Best wishes and thanks, --BachChopinFavorite (talk) 13:23, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Good idea, start it in user space and tell me where to watch, I am quite busy, look around. Sorry I don't know Erhard personally, there's a big scene around Frankfurt, - I take the recording information from bach-cantatas, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of David Erler

Hi, Gerda! Your submission of David Erler at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! And best wishes. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:19, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

Beste Gerda,

Thank you for your revert of Psalm 146 (Bruckner). See the discussion I had with Nikkimaria. I found her argumentation for removing the text dull.

Furthermore, we and she are apparently not on the same wave length! I restored dates of publication with ref of the Gesamtausgabe and she continues to say that it is still not substantiated... I also saw your discussion about the Infobox of Symphony No. 8... I will stop any discussion with her.

Guten Abend, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:26, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I restored the text without seeing your discussion. (I saw it later.) Two pieces of advice: 1) You gave the ref Gesamtausgabe in your discussion, but is it in the article, as an inline citation? (formality, formality) 2) Don't discuss "with her", discuss content on the article talk pages with whoever is interested, - please. Did you know that I mentioned Bruckner's symphonies a lot last year? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:48, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

What do you think of a navbox Anton Bruckner, comparable to template:Giuseppe Verdi, all in one, instead of four small ones that don't know of each other? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:27, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Despite the fact I added the ref Gesamtausgabe in the article as an inline citation, she persisted to say that it was still not substantiated. The reason that I definitely will no more discuss with her... Beste Grüße, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 21:16, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Try to forget then, move forward: how about the template question? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

The examples of the Magnificat, Psalms 114 and 146 are quite unique, because they were first recorded in 1971 (according to van Zwol), 1984 and 1987, using scores prepared especially for these performances, long before there were issued in the Gesamtausgabe by Paul Hawkshaw in 1996.

For the Magnificat a score was prepare by Carragan. You find a copy of this score on Jonn Berky's site. After the issue in the Gesamtausgabe two recordings have been issued: in 1997 by Farnberger with the St. Florianer Sängerknaben and in 2011 by Thomas Kerbl (Linzer Brucknerfest).

For Psalm 114 a score based on Bruckner's manuscript has also made (by Robert Simpson?). No "faithful" recording of Psalm 114 (i.e., in accordance with the official score) has been issued after the issue of the Gesamtausgabe.

For Psalm 146, a performance by Riedelbauch (28 November 1971) using a copy of Bruckner's manuscript had been issued in c. 1973. Another performance occurred in Vienna by Heinz Wallberg with the Niederosterreichische Tonkuenstler Orchestra on 10 November 1991, of which a recording is put in the Bruckner Archive. In 1995 a performance by Leon Botstein, which used the score prepared by Hawkshawn for the Gesamtausgabe, has been recorded and also put in the Bruckner Archive. John Berky has provided me with a copy of it. The recording, which has not been commercially issued, is unfortunately not of very high quality.

Make it sense that I put this info somewhere else: comment page of Bruckner or by each work, respectively? Let me please know it.

The template "Verdi" is for sure interesting, but I do not know whether I would apply for Bruckner, because of his high number of smaller religious and secular works. See List of compositions by Anton Bruckner.

At the end of this week we leave for a 2-week holiday in the French Alps. In the meantime I will not have much time to devote to Wikipedia, because there is still much left to do in the house and the garden... --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:56, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

I didn't wait and started {{Anton Bruckner}}. I think it's not too large (we had a proposal for Mozart, you can imagine ...), and let readers see the more unusual composition better. No rush, enjoy your vacation. When you return, you could start something on the recording and publishing history of Bruckner's works, it sounds interesting. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:17, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

"My current and future approach to conflict is and will be moderated by my understanding of the value of reasoned discussion where possible, and formal dispute-resolution processes where necessary" - guess who wrote that? - I found it here, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:20, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Georg Poplutz

Gatoclass (talk) 10:57, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Mansoor Hosseini

I've just seen this in the queue for DYK and had a check for the references (as I remembered it didn't have much in the way of inline referencing on SV), and I noticed that most of the Swedish version is almost a straight lift from [35] (there's a couple of rearrangements of things like "music for percussion" to "percussion music" but most of it is word for word). I'm going to raise it at DYK talk, but thought I should let you know. Troublemakingly yours, Belle (talk) 23:17, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

I bashed it about a bit with my prose hammer and I think it should be passable now (sorry I didn't check the Swedish sources before [Contrite face]). Belle (talk) 00:11, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

I noticed that the Swedish version was, but thought we were far enough away, - thanks for helping! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:20, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

I noticed that too, but a translation - and like this - not too close, it can't be any problem... Hafspajen (talk) 11:36, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Mansoor Hosseini

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:32, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Useful links? Knaak club

No, I didn't notice that earlier Wiki links had been removed. They should be in though. It's common practice to provide links to locations/cities/lands/countries, etc. respectively for sites of interest. West and East Berlin/Germany are common terms. Alandeus (talk) 07:42, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

I agree exactly: they are common terms, no more. - We do not typically link to well known places such as Paris or Italy, per WP:OVERLINK. I am not passionate either way, just found it funny that you inserted something that had just been removed, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:48, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Some German pictures

Gerda, please, could you fix some adecvate captions [36] on German Wiki before they start deleting the Lutefisk I added? If you don't mind... Hafspajen (talk) 13:52, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

I signed it, but would not know what to say. The first one looks like any white fish, the last one like any fish dish, the center one - the one I like - comes with its own label ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:14, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Well, the firs one is cooked fish. The second one is Lutefisk in Bergen fishmaket, and the third is a dish made with boiled potatoes, bacon, mustard sauce, and mashed peas and lutefisk with butter, a traditional way of serving it. Hafspajen (talk) 14:45, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I will watch it. It doesn't matter which fish market, and the traditional way is described in the article. I will add captions if they miss some. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:48, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

In a way it matters, because Bergen is in Norway, and lutfisk is made in Norway... ... It is from its homeland, so to say. And also, something that is not in the article - the Swedes eat lutefis every Christmas. It is a traditional part of the Swedish Christmas dishes, the day after Chrismas day. Hafspajen (talk) 14:50, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Do you have a source for that Christmas dinner? I will add it then, but likely not today, busy, concert on Sunday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:58, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

• weihnachten-in-schweden here, norwegen-weihnachten [37] [38] [39][40] more, - weihnachtsbraeuche-europa

jultomte-schwedische-weihnachten, [41]. hope that it is enough. Hafspajen (talk) 15:59, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

(ec twice) Didn't I say "a source"? - thanks ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:03, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

WEll, maybe more then one... but you have now enough to make real good Lutfisk article. A DYK? Hafspajen (talk) 23:44, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

looks like an unusual SG (Schon gewusst?) for Christmas ;) - preview for music coming soon, a red link, a stub, a mistake to fix (the source is wrong) ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:00, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Precious

Thank you, that was a nice surprise to come back to. Where do I go to exchange the voucher for the sapphire? Belle (talk) 09:20, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

You ask the photographer. You can do that on Commons where he is an admin. Did you kow that he also wrote about the Great Dismal Swamp maroons? "... people have the ability, as individuals and communities, to take control of their lives, even under oppressive conditions" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:34, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Not where I'd choose to set up home (Belle, would you like to live in the Great Dismal Swamp or on the Fantastic Sunny Beach? Give me a minute.) Poor slaves, imagine what life must have been like to run away to that. Anyway, I don't think I shall be venturing to Commons on the chance of a single sapphire of indeterminate size. If there is a lorry full of fist-sized ones going, I'll be over there in a flash. Belle (talk) 11:08, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

What do think about the prospect of meeting a nice man whom you can't meet here any more? My partner on Kafka (so far the most successful TFA, did you know? see my user infobox if you don't believe it) thinks that things got too kafkaesque here. I agree to kafkaesque, of course ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) "Kafkaes"? Is that a coffee-flavoured cheese-cake? Sounds yummy! Can you email me the recipe? ♥♫♪☺♥♫♪ pete au aka --Shirt58 (talk) 13:50, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

invent one, sounds good - I should do hooky typos more often ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:00, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, Shirt58. Recipe on my desk by tomorrow please (and if it has chocolate shavings and cream on top so much the better; I can do a few more lengths in the pool to burn it off, no problem). Belle (talk) 14:43, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Belle, my only academic qualification is a BA (Hons) in Eng. Lit. from the Parkville Soviet. (Well, I started it off as "Eng. Lit." at the University of Tasmania - no, Tasmania isn't a fictional place, and yes, there really is a University there - but it ended up as a degree in "Cultural studies".) So you'll have to let me know whether you want the recipe for the baked or unbaked version of the Kafe-Kaes. --Shirt58 (talk) 12:38, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Shirt58, First unbaked then baked pleash. Belle (talk) 13:06, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Can you, or esteemed watchers, perhaps add 1 or 2 items to Fiacre (carriage) to make it fit for DYK, while the cake bakes? I am the reviewer, or would do it myself ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:27, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Drummer Rail

Thanks for that, Gerda. When I get on to rewrite Gerd Heinrich, which won't be for some months, I might need your help with translations if that's OK Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:36, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

With pleasure, tok - tok - tok --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:41, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

7-1!!!

LOL, what a thrashing, who'd have thought!! Great game!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:55, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

I was surprised, I must say ;) - red links in Park an der Ilm, btw, - did you hear me drumming tok-tok-tok? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:06, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Good article list?♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:07, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

What do you mean? A list of my Good articles? Some have the little green on my user page. Some are mentioned here, others in its archive. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:14, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

There are no Good Article Lists, only featured lists. I've made a proposal to introduce them! Tempelherrenhaus (Weimar) needs proofing :-)♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:20, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Where's the proposal? - Thanks for the house! - It should be moved to Tempelherrenhaus, Weimar, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:29, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Why? Buildings on wikipedia as far as I know it is most common to put them in brackets in towns. It's only geographical articles you use the comma.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:44, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Like my churches? St. Martin, Idstein, and many others? - I will get back later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:48, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

I agree that the comma does look better visually.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:08, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh, yes: if that football game ends up as a draw at the end of extra time, I think it would be the polite thing to do to award the trophy to Brazil for hosting such a lovely tournament instead of going to a Penalty shoot-out. Just sayin'. --Shirt58 (talk) 14:44, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Congrats on winning the world cup! Probably the first time I've ever wanted Germany to win a football match hehe!! They were easily the best team in the tournament.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:48, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, - not one of my merits though. Will get to the Weimar venue soon, two more in the pipeline before, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:09, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, good old Basti! .. even if he is named after a Cornish pie. Am also a big fan of Hummells!! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:11, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

You are not the best of mind readers, it's a choir and a conductor. I have someone else for the other topic now, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:16, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

ps: I will not give you red links, or they may also end up "not created by me", and therefore without infobox ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:18, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

"Herr Gott, Beherrscher aller Dingo." - isn't that an Australian piece? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:23, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Possibly. I don't know it, and it has no infobox ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Geistliche Chormusik

Hello! Your submission of Geistliche Chormusik at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! CeeGee 17:04, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Whisperback

Hello. You have a new message at Prayerfortheworld's talk page. Message added 05:09, 12 July 2014 (UTC).

DYK for Weib, was weinest du

Gatoclass (talk) 11:24, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Geistliche Chormusik

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:51, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Apologies, but some help would be greatly appreciated.

I'm sorry to bother you, but I'm not sure where else to go. A user named John has deleted the evidence he purports to not know the existence of in a current ANI discussion. I reverted his edit that attempted to cover up the evidence, and his response was to threaten to ban me. Since his stance seems to be that anything he doesn't like deserves a banning, I do not wish to engage him directly. He's shown himself to be not trustworthy in my estimation. You may see the thread here. The evidence he has tried to cover up is the user page for NatureGuy1980, which I administered before I gave up editing Wikipedia because of bullying behavior such as this. 98.223.105.116 (talk) 06:14, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't know how I could help you, but also don't see where you would need help. The evidence is in the history for everybody to see, and it is discussed. I would not change a user's own statement, but actually think yours is stronger now (compared to mentioning a single attacker, - the believers in the holy MoS are a movement, not a single person.) I translated the Invisible Rail, not the invisible rail (which becomes almost invisible in prose), but believe that readers actually understand both. I wrote A Boy was Born, and am disgusted every time I look at it. - My advice: go to John and thank him for making your statement stronger. - (Reminds me that I should thank the arbs for their blessing of admonishment and restriction.) - In the thread you mentioned, "plea for peace" is the/my last word. Look above: it's now on the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda. 98.223.105.116, if you have left Wikipedia, I suggest making a clean break. If you have a grudge against another user I suggest bringing evidence rather than making unsubstantiated allegations, which isn't allowed. I'll copy this to your IP user talk in case you don't see it here. --John (talk) 07:49, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

The evidence has been discussed at length. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. In particular, see the second point raised here. A negotiated close, an indefinite block? My faith in the system had been somewhat restored with the action taken against SMcC yesterday. Your heavy-fisted actions are making me reconsider yet again. You are doing a really great job of discouraging knowledgable editors.

Re:Christian music

Hello, Yes, many of the works of J. S. Bach and Heinrich Schütz are within the scope of WP Christian music. However I am not a member of that project (and it has been labelled semiactive) so perhaps adding it to relevant articles may not be important. Members of WP Christian music should identify those articles, so other editors are not obliged to do so. (I only belong to WP Anglicanism and WP Cornwall.)--Johnsoniensis (talk) 13:29, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, helped, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:07, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

German Protestant Church, Greenheys, afterwards the Stephen Joseph Studio

Your message today was a very big surprise; I never expected to be called an «awesome Wikipedian». Under my former name I had a listing for making numerous edits. The assessment and generally gnomish activity is most of my work rather than the creation of new articles as writing a new article which will stand up to scrutiny by others can take a long time. (Though I know very little German I contributed a few times to the German WP as User:FFS.) You are certainly thorough in going back to my early contributions on Cornish topics; the picture shows a building once used by German immigrants to Manchester. Thank you so much for the sapphire.--Johnsoniensis (talk) 09:44, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

I am happy with your pictured response! I am a gnome myself, and I am so proud of it that it's intentionally the only topicon I show, and I like to find fellow gnomes and fairies. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:56, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Spelling

Even in English, I often get "i before e except after c" wrong. Fortunately the spell-checker is there to help me. But German is a lost cause for me. I would never notice the problem, and my spell checker says it is all spelled wrong. :~) Aymatth2 (talk) 13:58, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

ei vs. ie is hopeless for spell-checker, because we have sie and sei, Stiel and steil, Lied and Leid. But we don't have Kreig ;) - The problem I see, more generally, is: what do we do when a "reliable source" is wrong? In this case, the title page of the book shows that the title is misspelled. In a recent article, a source said that the hymn was by Martin Luther. Wrong. Yes, he wrote one that starts similarly, but this was a different one. When I noticed, I changed it, but wait for someone to say that I got the source wrong, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:05, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Google Books metadata is often wrong. E.g. Die deutschen Juden und der Kreig 1729. 1729? I came across a great example the other day with Ogura, Takeshi (1997-11-21). Dynamic Aspects Of Natural Products Chemistry. CRC Press. p. 178. ISBN 978-90-5702-209-8. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help) Somehow a chapter called The Louvre and its public persona, 1848-52 by Gabriel P. Weisberg has found its way into the scanned version of this book on chemistry. I always give a url so someone checking can see what I saw, even if the attribution is wrong.

And yes, apparently reliable sources often have errors of fact. Authors make mistakes, and publishers are often slack on checking facts in works by well qualified authors. If I find two sources that contradict each other, I often pick the one that seems right, but add a footnote saying what the other sources say. See Canadian Historical Dinner Service. A bit of original research maybe, but I think acceptable in a footnote. It may help prevent the error being put back in. Aymatth2 (talk) 16:31, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Good idea, not just change but point out the other version, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:12, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the sapphire. I really appreciate the positive feedback. I had forgotten about Fire pot. That was an early essay and had far too few sources. Still, it was amusing to write it. Thank you again. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:43, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK

I've proposed an ALT (just to shove a fly in the ointment; you know how I am, can't let things be straightforward). Belle (talk) 12:17, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Philippe Capdenat

Gatoclass (talk) 15:43, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you!

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Thank you Gerda Arendt for taking your time to thank editors for what they do to help Wikipedia. You are a very kind Wikipedia editor. Robert4565 (talk) 03:08, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

RM notice

FYI

 – Pointer to discussion that may be relevant to you.

A requested moves discussion in which you participated in Dec. 2013 has been reopened, at Talk:Mustang horse#Alternative proposal.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  03:06, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

... where I commented four days ago, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:02, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Sigfried

[42], looks cute here, [43], in GermanHafspajen (talk) 05:15, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Excellent find. Anything in the text that would expand the article? 91st birthday 30 July, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:00, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Belated explanation

Hi Gerda, I didn't have time yesterday to explain my reasoning to you regarding my AN post but will now. First, I wasn't aware of what was happening until I saw this comment to Belle's page, which I thought wasn't neutrally worded. When I noticed the AN thread, it seemed to me that it was going very fast, and that people were chiming in, who perhaps lack the context of the full story that began on a page I was working in November 2011, so I thought it might be a good idea to try to slow it down - although I really dislike posting in those kinds of discussions.

Before posting I took a look at Boing's page, saw your note and I took a look at the link to Anna Kravtchenko and the talk page, which to me seemed as though you were bringing attention to yet another issue - without coming right out and saying why. My feeling is that once a person is thanked, either on their page or with the notification system (of course because that's hidden there's no way of knowing whether you use it), it tends to add a sense of urgency and factionalism to a situation that instead needs de-escalation, which in turn could, to a degree, make the person somewhat involved.

As I mentioned earlier, I've been more than involved because this long series of events began with a dispute I had and since that time I've seen a lot of excellent editors leave in response. In the end, I have to ask myself whether what we've gained is worth what we've lost? And to be honest, I carry a huge burden of guilt because I believe I could have prevented these now-almost-three-years of fighting.

Anyway, sorry, this got long, but it's an explanation. I've not used the pingie function but if you want to bring the other's attention to it, that's fine with me. Victoria (tk) 15:05, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

You read Belle's page, you can read there that I think that the war is a myth. Let's get beyond. Don't feel guilty for what you could have done or not, if only ... - the future starts now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

I never saw that edit to my page until now :) Thanks for the thanks Gerda and sorry I didn't see it. I honestly didn't see any positives in blocking you for a month, though I'm so neutral I would have done it for anybody (that is anybody whose edits I was stalking; yes, stalking; oooooohhh). Belle (talk) 16:17, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

No problem, I am used to it, I even invited, - I need guidance in language ;) - I cleaned up my Bach cantatas for two weeks ahead in case I get blocked. You can give Precious, if ;) - Other than that, you know ..., --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:28, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

In case you missed it, my declaration of independence (collapsed now, with a typo), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

re: adding back the DYK stat listing for Hans Baluschek

Please point me to the DYK Recent additions archive for the Hans Baluschek article because I have had difficulty finding it. Atsme☯^Consult 22:25, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

I asked and was helped, look again, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:31, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks - found it. Shows (03:49, 14 July 2014 - 11:34, 14 July 2014) 8 hrs with only 2954 views so I deleted listing again because it doesn't meet 5,000 view criteria. Article was featured on main page on the 14 July 2014 only. Also, I added the Normandy Landings to "Lead hooks with at least 25,000 views" Atsme☯^Consult 23:04, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Again, pretty sure that the time in the archive is the time the article came off, if you look at the time Gerda received the credit (minutes after articles are put onto the main page) for this, and then this, the article is in the set above: credits are given when it goes on, time in archive is when it comes off. Thanks, Matty.007 07:03, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

I apologize if I've got this all wrong, but it seems to me that if you use the times shown at the "Recent additions" archive [44] as removal times rather than as start times, then the Hans Baluschek article was featured on the WP main page in excess of 12 hrs., and that can't be correct considering the times are calculated on 6-8-12 hr intervals. The DYK hook would have run from 11:21 on 13 July 2014 thru 03:49 on 14 July 2014 = 16 hrs. Look at the DYK features for 14 July 2014, and you will see 3 different start/end times with the last group being the featured articles that are archived for the main page. How do you access the other main page archives to see the prior DYK hooks that were featured on that same day? Also, the DYK notice states A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2014/July. [45] but there is no listing for the article under the July 13th date. It doesn't appear until July 14th. I also noticed the main page archives are missing from June 13, 2014 - July 13, 2014. [46] which makes it even more confusing. Did you know ... at times we are dealing with 3 different groups of DYK main page features on the same day, and not all are archived with the main page? Atsme☯^Consult 20:02, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, you got it wrong, sometimes update is delayed, done manually, imperfectly, - this was one of the cases. I know exactly because I waited for the set following Baluschek to appear on 13 July (see top of this page), and couldn't believe it didn't come up until a day later. Talk to the DYK people if you don't believe me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:35, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

I believe you, Gerda. I just wanted to make sure we are all following the same procedure for counting the number of views. If all DYKs were featured at the same time each day, and all stayed up for 12 hrs., counting views wouldn't be an issue, but what I'm finding is confusion among editors over the 6-8-12 intervals. I've found some articles listed that included views the day before and the day after. If standard procedure is to count the date the DYK was archived as the pull date, then that's what I'll do. Atsme☯^Consult 21:53, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

I guess you mean "archive" when you say "pull"? ("Pull" means: a hook taken off the Main page prematurely because of a problem, while the set stays.) We need to look at two things, one is the time on the Main page, the other the traffic unrelated to DYK. If a hook is shown on two calendar days (quite normal even for 8-hour sets), the counts of both days are added, then divided by the total number of hours on the Main page. If there's considerable traffic on an article anyway (compare Flappy Bird [47] and Operation Overlord [48]), there's a formula to subtract that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:16, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I did mean "archive" - thx for clarifying. How do you arrive at the total number of hours on the Main page? Is it the difference between the dates/times the former and current hooks are archived? Atsme☯^Consult 02:04, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes. (As long as those are correct. We are all human and make mistakes.) - The next question - if a certain count/hour has to be achieved? - has been discussed before, - answer for simplicity's sake: the threshold is 5,000, no matter how long. - I am not too interest in statistics, there's a talk of that page also ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:52, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Just to note why hooks can be up over 12 hours: just a quick look at the talk page shows "DYK is almost overdue": there is often no prep ready, so the main page set just stays up, no matter how many hours it's been there, until a new prep is made. Thanks, Matty.007 09:01, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you both for helping me to better understand the mechanics behind DYK. Your kindness and patience is much appreciated. Atsme☯^Consult 13:44, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Glad to help, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:50, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

José Carlos Cocarelli

Hi Gerda. I was wondering why such an obviously virtuoso pianist has so little coverage these days, despite being relatively young as pianists go. Perhaps you were too? I found his official YouTube channel. It has no videos on it (although others have uploaded some old ones to their channels). Anyhow, he did have a comments section where someone in France, who had heard him play years ago and greatly admired him, asked when he would be performing again there. Cocarelli replied [49]:

"Je vous remercie pour ce souvenir heureux pour vous et pour moi. Malheureusement les concerts ce n'est plus d'actualité, du moins tant que je traînerai des troubles neurologiques qui me handicapent sévèrement dans ma mobilité et au piano. Je vis en France, en Sarthe, où j'enseigne le piano dans deux petites écoles de musique (dans mon état, impossible d'envisager une place dans un conservatoire). Vous souhaitant Bonne continuation. Merci encore!"

(Thank you for this happy memory, for both you and me. Unfortunately, concerts are no longer possible now that I suffer from neurological disorders that severely handicap my mobility and my ability to play the piano. I live in France, Sarthe, where I teach piano in two small music schools (in my condition, it is impossible to imagine a place in a conservatory). Wishing you good luck. Thank you again!)

How sad! Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:29, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, sad. Thank you for coming over to tell me! Happy, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Anna Kravtchenko

The DYK project (nominate) 10:28, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

The Random Act of Kindness Barnstar

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		You have one of these on this page and probably have many more throughout your archives. That is because you deserve them. You have gone out of your way to make Wikipedia a kinder, more enjoyable place and to recognize other editors' work. You should have a truckload of these. Also, your content and DYK contributions are extraordinary. You deserve much recognition for those as well. Thank you. Donner60 (talk) 21:28, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! - I have two of these on the page, one is collapsed under "Blushing". Barnstars for kindness are most precious for me, on the background of my well-known battleground mentality ;) - I am awfully proud of today's DYK ... that pianist Anna Kravtchenko from Ukraine, winner of the Busoni competition, played Chopin "in a way that thoroughly warmed the heart and thrilled the senses"? - It's not the hook chosen for the Main page, but the one that warmed my heart. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

You are truly an outstanding editor. I appreciate that you have previously taken note of my modest contributions to the project. I plan to continue to make and increase my content contributions, and to spend less time on the more routine edits. Donner60 (talk) 04:46, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Rheingauer Kantorei

Hello! Your submission of Rheingauer Kantorei at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Skr15081997 (talk) 03:50, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Start dates

Thanks for This edit, but I've undone it - we can't use {{Start date}} like that; it gets confused with the subject's date for birth. The reasons are technical, but let me know if you'd like a (very) detailed explanation. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:52, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

no, your word is enough ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:09, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Names

You didn't need to tell me that you are a woman. Gerda is a female German name just as Robert is a male English name. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Whom are you telling that? Andrea is a female German name and a male Italian name. I could be male using a female pen name. You could be female using ... - Who cares? Every editor is a human being. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:33, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) ... in the UK, Gerda can be pretty masculine! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:36, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Don't need more fire ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:45, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

All true. With registered editors, you assume that there is one human being for each account, and that is more important than your gender. With unregistered editors, you don't know the number of human beings because of dynamic IPs. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:26, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) well, some of those are human beings, I guess. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:34, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Away from my desk

Hi Gerda, just a note to say that I am going to be in Italy 31 July–28 August with very limited internet access. So, if there are any queries re your DYK noms for José Carlos Cocarelli and Ada Cherry Kearton, I probably won't be able to respond to them. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:31, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Enjoy your vacation! Did you know that I sing your praises? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:39, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Bureaucracy

Hi Gerda. I've moved your comment to the talk page, which is where discussion of announcements should happen. Hope you don't mind. Worm^TT(talk) 13:13, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Not at all, on the contrary, thank you! I wrote spontaneously - had no time - and just found out out that it wasn't the right place. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:29, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Rheingauer Kantorei

Orlady (talk) 14:39, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Siegfried Köhler (conductor)

Orlady (talk) 02:23, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Bach cantatas

Gerda, I've had occasion to consult a few of the articles. You've done some good work. Thank you. Tony (talk) 13:48, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Chopin

Hi Gerda! Thanks for your very helpful comments on the Chopin FA review. If the situation is now OK with you, are you wiling to give a formal support on the review page? Or if there's anything still outstanding, do let me know. I am trying to get it wrapped up now. Best, --Smerus (talk) 19:52, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing all points I mentioned so far. I didn't read the music section in detail yet, and have little time these days. I may actually get to reading now, because I found out that what I wanted to do next - update the Bach cantatas for next Sunday - I had done already, in preparation to be blocked for a month ;) (arbitration enforcement, did you know?) - Andy was also under pressure, for formatting a malformed infobox, helping a new editor. Do you understand??? One (!) of the arbitrators clearly saw that, - the one resigned. I keep singing ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

ps: Did you know that I celebrated another birthday on the Main page, a Wagner DYK again? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:50, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda! I don't follow these arb things any more, try to keep my nose clean! Best, --Smerus (talk) 09:30, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Your nose is clean ;) - It's easy to ignore "these arb things" as long as they don't threaten to block your friend for helping a new user, and yourself for cleaning up after a little series of unexplained reverts. - I enjoyed "awakening", imagine you too, and Nikkimaria, - the arbs (whom I expected to be able to read a page history, but perhaps I expected too much) probable saw a battle. - What do they see, at all? The one who really looked now left the team, - what does that tell me? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:55, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh crumbs...

It appears that an interdisciplinary school of law and economics at Johann Wolfgang Goethe-Universität Frankfurt am Main is called "House of Finance". Why not just call it "The Interdisciplinary School of Law and Economics" in plain English and the equivalent in plain standard German? Seriously, es tut mir leid. Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 14:57, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Seriously, I would call it House of Finance (Frankfurt University, at least by redirect ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:04, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello Sweet Woman.

Hope you and yours are doing well. Hugs always, — Ched :  ?  15:08, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

With you appearing, I am better, compared to the sadness on top. Believe it or not, there is more peace now in infobox topics ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:36, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Park an der Ilm

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:08, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Version 1 of Mass No. 2 of Anton Bruckner

Beste Gerda,

FYI, see the comment I have put on Talk:Mass No. 2 (Bruckner).

Unfortunately there is no valuable, commercially available recording of this interesting first version. I enjoy Rademann's live performance, a copy of which I have been granted by Hans Roelofs. I find it regrettable that this excellent performance is not commercially available.

Beste Grüße aus Belgien, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:35, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

You are right. Rademann is one of "my" articles, - you could give him an infobox ;) - How was your vacation? - You have a choice now to restore the second infobox in the quintet and quartet or to write the separate articles for the single movements, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:42, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

We had a fine holiday in the French Alps. During the first week of it we ware in the Queyras, where I have taken a lot of photos of plants. I have uploaded the best of them on Commons. Some photos are "first uploads", e.g., for Valeriana saliunca and Brassica repanda.

Next week I will again have a look on Bruckner's quintet and quartet.

Have a fine Sunday! --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:26, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, you too! Thanks for the images, especially the firsts! Going to hear at the RMF: Christian Gerhaher and Gerold Huber, songs by Schubert and Rihm on texts by Goethe, - look for the latter name on my user page, was on the Main page yesterday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:53, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Here you have the info on Rademann's live performance:

• Hans-Christoph Rademann, RIAS-Kammerchor and Bläserensemble der Deutschen Kammerphilharmonie Bremen, 23-06-2013 in the Lorenzkirche, Nürnberg.[50]

--Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:13, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, RIAS Kammerchor also one of "my" articles ;) - but we can't list all their performances, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:17, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Look ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Die Rhöner Säuwäntzt

Music and windy comedy - do you think its worth while to try at DYK? Serten (talk) 22:20, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes! Are there more sources? Get source from lead, repeat in body. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:32, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Found some, war so frei ;) Serten (talk) 23:35, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Gut! The image next to the discography is too large, and the many brackets a bit confusing (year sometimes in brackets, sometimes not, etc.). Translations that are not titles don't get title capitals. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:35, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

With regard to Environmental_impact_of_wind_power#Cultural_impact, I got a strong feedback from an IP. Way beyond good manners. I personally believe that Aesthetics play a much more important role in technology / large project discussions than most mere technical aspects. The hillbilly image of Säuwäntzt is quite helpful for them to get their message accross ;) Serten (talk) 08:27, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Very british ;) Serten (talk) 08:26, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

You are so sweet!

Gerda! Thank-you again! What a nice surprise to be honoured by you one year later! Here is my thank-you the first time: [51], followed by the day a half-year later when I was thinking about what a good person you are and I just had to let you know: [52]. If I ever go to Germany someday, my first stop will be to tell you in person how sweet you are. You are an awesome Wikipedian! Prhartcom (talk) 06:41, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! I found this treasure hidden in my archive but would like to respond here; I am sort of bitter today about this loss (and this), am wide open for sweetness. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:53, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

I wish I could cheer you up. :-( Please don't be sad, Gerda! Prhartcom (talk) 07:29, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

You cheered me up. You can go and tell users who said This place is beyond fixing and I don't want to be part of this community any more. , that they would be the ones we need. Look why they left, change there, perhaps, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:39, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Noye's Fludde

I'm back on the opera trail, with Noye's Fludde. The peer review is open here, if you'd like to comment. Brianboulton (talk) 15:12, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the invitation, will follow. Did you know that we will have a singer on the Main page tomorrow? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:17, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

My mention of your wonderful JSB articles on the Noye's Fludde PR page was, in my typically duplicitous English way, both wholeheartedly sincere and simultaneously a cunning snare to lure you into the peer review. But I see my crafty schemes were unnecessary and you are on the case already. I wish I could feel comfortable about reviewing your GAN Bach articles, but you understand, I'm sure, that as a Gerda fan I feel not quite as detached as a good GA reviewer should be! With respectful greetings, Tim. Tim riley talk 20:14, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the snare ;) - I will read and comment, but have two other articles waiting first. Did you see that I created one off Noye which was a red link off my very first article? (Almost exactly 5 years ago, as my user's infobox told me, - I would have missed it otherwise.) - If you hesitate about Bach, there's my Strauss dream also, and a hymn which Bach used, but that's a different story. Btw, on various pages I claimed that the infobox war is history (a myth, over), what do you think? Look at Chopin above, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:27, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Ada Cherry Kearton

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:53, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Inkpot Madonna

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The text was copied from the German Wikipedia, but commented out, not shown. I have never seen the source found by the bot. The German text is removed now, and the translation noted on the talk page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:51, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

cyclopaedia.de is just one of those content aggregators that make money off of our work. In this case, it just mirrors the German WP article ("Dies ist ein Auszug aus dem Artikel Tintenfassmadonna der freien Enzyklopädie Wikipedia."). And IMO they’re not doing it entirely correct either, since they don’t mention the CC license, instead even claiming © 2013 cyclopaedia.net at the bottom left.

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DYK for Markus Schäfer

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:23, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Sonata quasi una Fantasia

Hi Gerda. Just noticed you referred to it once as Sonata quasi una Fantasia. That's one title we shouldn't be using, as it applies to No. 13, Op. 27/1, as well. Cheers, Simon. --Stfg (talk) 13:54, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

I didn't mean to use ot as a title (see the 2012 discussion). I mentioned it because that was something important to Beethoven, while I don't know what he would think of "Moonlight" ;) - As also in the discussion: we can't form a single correct sentence using "Moonlight" until that phrase was coined. (I am afraid we still don't know when it first appeared in English, only know when some critic wrote that the music it reminded HIM of Mondschein on the lake, - as POV as it can get.) - However, that is true also for the Flying Dutchman. At least we cleaned Wagner and the bottom navbox from that nonsense during the FAC ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:51, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Mooooose, moooose, moose, moose

(nothing to do with the moose, I just felt like typing that to see if I could attract a moose to your page) always to your service, Gerda Serten (talk) 15:02, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

thank you, wearer of the sapphire, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:10, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

The Inkpot Madonna has this ... the sculpture was restored by Roksana Jachim in the workshop of the Klosterkammer Hannover. As a computer tomography revealed problems in the colour and wood. Was the tomography done and when it revealed the problems they decided to do the restoration or was it done as part of the process of the restoration? Belle (talk) 12:01, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

They wanted to do the restoration (plenty of time while the cathedral was closed) and used the tool, - you are welcome to investigate and become a contributor, plenty of sources, - RL for me today, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:04, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Bayerischer Defiliermarsch

It already was in the subcategory "German military marches", I was cleaning up the larger category. —innotata 23:07, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Understand, thank you, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:11, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Klesie Kelly

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:21, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Gerd Nienstedt

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A barnstar for you!

	The Surreal Barnstar
	In belated response to your efforts at Franz Kafka, my favourite author, and also for your kindness in telling other editors (i.e. me) that they are valued, I grant you this barnstar! Thanks very much for doing what you do. RGloucester — ☎ 02:19, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Inkpot Madonna

I moved the reference in the article because I was reviewing it for DYK. I have now approved the nomination at DYK but will have to reverse that if the references stay as they now are. I also tweaked the hook, - you had better make sure you approve the change I made. Properly speaking I should have suggested my version as ALT1 but I could see the nomination needed prompt approval if it was to on the front page on Aug 15th. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:52, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Replied on nom before I saw this, thanks, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:57, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Personally, I would put the two references at the end of the sentence because between them they reference all the facts. If you have one reference part way through, it infers that the second reference refers only to the last part of the sentence, which, in this case is not true. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:56, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

OK, even if I would not infer the same, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:05, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Weinen, Klagen, Sorgen, Zagen, BWV 12

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Weinen, Klagen, Sorgen, Zagen, BWV 12 you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Dr. Blofeld -- Dr. Blofeld (talk) 17:00, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

The Fifth Element

Hi Gerda, please don't edit this right now, I'm using Visual Editor, which doesn't have true section editing ... so I'll have to revert your edit and go to some trouble to reinstate mine. Quick question: did you see the template at the top of the page? If not, then it might be a good idea for me to create an edit notice when I use VE, as well as templating the page (until the devs get the section editing fixed). - Dank (push to talk) 19:17, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, saw it without seeing it, if you know what I mean. I reverted myself, hope that helps. - I can't deal with VE ;)--Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:22, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

I know, not many people are using it yet. I only use it when copyediting, it's a little faster for me. Thanks much. - Dank (push to talk) 19:30, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

August 2014

Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. betafive 05:48, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Whom did I attack where, you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:00, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Didn't you imply I have an 'incredibly toxic personality' at User talk:Jimbo Wales? betafive 06:02, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

hope over experience

No, I simply wanted to ask if a term like that (given in quotation marks, because it is a quote, - I would never ever say such a thing myself) would be "readily identifiable" as "'Offensiveness' of speech". - English is not my first language, I need simple language, - if you can help to word the question better, you are welcome. - Visit my user page: "Every editor is a human being.", - I like that idea enough to quote it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:18, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, I apologize for taking offense when none was intended. You'll have to forgive me-- I think "incredibly toxic personality" is an offensive thing to call someone, and as someone who's been described as-such, I'm perhaps oversensitive to it. Cheers! betafive 06:42, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

@Betafive: I think it was Jimbo who used that phrase in his Wikimania speech. He also visited my talk page to tell me that I needed "more honor", which went down like a lead balloon with quite a few people. - Sitush (talk) 16:55, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

yes --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:01, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, here actually. To be fair, he did sort of retract it when he came under some pressure a few days later. He still seemed to think that he was right but he also said that "I want you to continue editing here", as if he has some sort of control over that. "This edit is provided to you courtesy of a decree of Jimmy Wales" or whatever. - Sitush (talk)

Yep, Jimbo himself said it and it was widely believed that he was directing it at a specific individual not named here. Gerda and I are among those who did not approve. Gerda would never call someone that. Montanabw^(talk) 19:25, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

You would think he might have learned something last time. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:52, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Wow. I didn't know about that one. Yup, he should have learned. Nope, he didn't. (Sheesh) Montanabw^(talk) 07:16, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, both! Today I point at the Inkpot Madonna, - a woman for early learning. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Brackets mystery solved

Hello Gerda! Thank you for your kind comment about Puankhequa at Philg88's talk page. I was just as surprised about your editing the bracket as I was with a Bot message that followed. I counted the brackets time and time again and I just could not figure it out where the "single" bracket was. Totally mystified! Then I realized that the very first bracket was not written in roman letters but in Chinese "letters", and therefore the Bot did not recognize it as a bracket and ignored it. So it depended on what rendering support your computer had. I could clearly see two brackets (and all the Chinese characters) but when I looked at the page on another computer, obviously similar to yours without Chinese characters, one bracket was gone and replaced with a blank square. So, from that point of view, your edit was perfectly fine. I have now replaced both brackets with brackets from the roman (English) alphabet and all is well again. :) So thank you, you acted in good faith, it was just the "machines" misleading us both. Poor Philg88, he must be encountering this problem all the time. All the best, w.carter-Talk 19:34, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I tried to remove an extra space, but may have removed a bracket accidentally, - no harm. Look above, people leaving because "civility" is demanded by incivility, that's a different problem. Nice to meet you, and I still think your article would be good for DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:40, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Nice to meet you too. You seem civil enough for me. :) The spaces around the Chinese characters can be tricky = non-existent. I am still something of a newbie here at the English Wikipedia (and I am being gently and expertly coached by Philg88, who has the patience of a saint) so DYK's are a bit outside my learning curve right now. But I like cooperation (I never regard articles as "mine"), so if anyone else is interested in doing one, I am totally ok with it. I have noticed that some users make DYK's of almost anything. I'll get to the DYK's eventually. In a couple of months or so. :) Best, w.carter-Talk 19:56, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Civility: I only quoted someone ;) - I am one of these people who make DYK of everything, - someone introduced me for my first article without asking me. I'll do that to you, and you just watch, learn if you like, ignore if not ;) - I have to know which article are "mine" because I am a sanctioned criminal and may add infoboxes only to "my" articles, those I created (turning red link to blue), not those I get DYK credit for because I expanded. Kafkaesque, well, see my user infobox ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:06, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm ok with Kafkaesque. :) Please do a DYK of this here new article if you like, Fräulein Kriminelle, I will certainly watch. It is a very good way to learn: Observe and imitate until you achieve enlightenment, or as other have put it: Fake it 'till you make it. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 20:22, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Done, and added to the article talk, for everybody interested. Please add projects there! You can add better hooks to the nomination, preceded by ALT1: etc. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:30, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

ps: found something pictured --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:41, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I know. It is the painting mentioned in ref no. 32. But we have not found a copyright free pic of this to upload. See discussion at talk page of Puankhequa. w.carter-Talk 20:48, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

OK, move along, that's quite enough friendly collaborative editing, thank you. This is Wiki-bleedin-pedia. Please fulfil your obligations by getting involved in some kind of ridiculous arguement (preferably with each other) within 2 business days, or else. (That's a very nice article you have, there. It would be a shame if something happened to it...) --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:29, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

What!!! I get in trouble all the time at the Teahouse. That has to count for something. w.carter-Talk 22:34, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

And we got us a picture. Nice! Thanks all! w.carter-Talk 00:19, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Could you please sort out what was said about him and what about his son? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:30, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

 Done w.carter-Talk 09:47, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Chrome!

California Chrome is now a featured article! Can you add it to the appropriate spots at QAI? I think I'd like to try and have it be TFA for the 2015 Kentucky Derby next May too. Montanabw^(talk) 23:01, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

You do that, I take a day off ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:06, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I always screw up the chart and then you have to fix it...  ;-) Montanabw^(talk) 23:22, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, this calls for one of those weird cocktails, doesn't it? Congrats Montana. Drmies (talk) 00:54, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

A merlot would be fine with me, Drmies! LOL! Montanabw^(talk) 06:04, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Erich Wenk

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:06, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Gerd Nienstedt

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:22, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

Just wanted to say that I didn't mean that I was unwilling to move your hook - I just wanted to make it clear what the consequences of moving it would be. NB: I'm told that chocolate has zero calories. Hawkeye7 (talk) 11:59, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, so far I didn't even notice anything ;) - Laura Fürst is nicely progressing in the German DYK, followed by the Lambananas. Thanks for the sweets! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:11, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for translating Laura Fürst! Do let me know when it runs. I wish you had been there to see Annabel Breuer's reaction to being on the front page. Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:31, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for David Erler

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:36, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Inkpot Madonna

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:50, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Agricultural University of Berlin

Can you expand this?♦ Dr. Blofeld

Later, concert now, see above --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:20, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Over 1,000

Hi, Gerda. I'm still here from time to time, but I do not seem to find much time for WP in the summer. I couldn't make out from your message who you meant: I looked at the table and most of the ticks were in place... Moonraker (talk) 19:58, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

There are only 4, and the top 3 have it, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:22, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Got him! Strange how things can be invisible. "As I was going down the stair / I met a man who wasn't there. / He wasn't there again today..." And no doubt this is the End which awaits us all. "Golden girls and boys all must / Like chimney-sweepers, come to dust." Moonraker (talk)

Thank you, also for more wisdom. Working on Weinen, Klagen, expanded when I was in the mood, and reviewed now when I could easily dedicate it to the next invisible. I will find a different one for him, - Bach cantata titles cover many moods. Did you know that I translated Invisible Rail, but found that you hear the bird in German? - I translate for the missed ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:07, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

A super article, congratulations! I loved the image of Gerd Heinrich rolling in stinging nettles to prepare for his expedition. He must surely have rolled naked? Moonraker (talk) 16:56, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Infobox wars and pieces

The infobox wars will continue until a few minds start to open up to the real solution. Tying infoboxes to metadata was a fundamental mistake that too many infobox warriors are unprepared to admit to. The obvious solution is for all infoboxes to be generated automatically from Wikidata, and users to be given the option to see them, not to see them, or even only to see them, perhaps accompanied by a micropedia-style lead. Simple. But it won't happen of course, because some would have to admit that they'd been riding the wrong horse. Eric Corbett 22:10, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

The wars were mentioned in 2005. I don't see any in 2014, but I may be blind. Look above for the names of some people known to love or hate them, all talking to each other. I was named a warrior once, - that was for repair after an edit war, weeks later. I deny the wars ;) - I simply believe that for example Carmen would be more attractive and informative like this. - See also, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I remember some quite recently, over articles such as the Pendine Museum of Speed for instance. But there's no reason why you and I should have to see the same version of any page as readers. If you like infoboxes then have one. If I don't, then why should I have to see your preferred version? Thought ought to be given to a micropedia version of every page, based on Wikidata plus the article lead. Nothing else makes sense.

On a separate issue and in light of recent events, have you ever felt that I treated you differently or less respectfully because you're a female? Just curious. Eric Corbett 22:41, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I didn't remember the museum, looked it up and saw that the most recent edits were in 2013. - I asked about 2014 ;) - I told our arbitrators that the infobox war was over in 2012, last "battle" Cosima Wagner. - You always treated me well, as I keep telling people, - how would I know if that is different - if it is - because I am female or because I am I? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:53, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Good question. Probably because you are you, regardless of gender. I also remember an infobox spat around Montacute House, but that may have been last year as well. Eric Corbett 23:07, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I looked. Define spat, which seems to be much less than a battle. What I see with my limited view (reading diffs is a difficult art) is that Andy made one edit in the history of that article, on 14 February 2014: uncollapsing an infobox (an act of love on Valentine's Day?). - Of course, uncollapsing an infobox and putting it in the normal position IS a reason to be banned, as we know from Teh Case. (Reading diffs is a difficult art.) - Back to your initial question: in the following (longish) MOS discussion, wasn't it mentioned that readers can opt out seeing infoboxes? I didn't follow because I want to see them. - Further on memory lane, did you see that Andreas Scholl was improved since you helped me? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:45, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Gerda

I probably should have reverted the IP edit at Maria Callas instead of requesting citations. Would you have a look at its history, and if you think it best, restore the version prior to the IP edit? Thank you.—John Cline (talk) 06:51, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

You do it, please. I reverted nonsense like that once, just before, and am on a self-imposed 1RR rule (see above, perhaps you can get behind my petition ;) ), on top of having left project opera, to not disturb them further. Funny enough, I am the one who supplied most of the recent DYK articles for the project, one a day in the last three days ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:33, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes I will, and understand your reluctance. I'm sorry if I've opened an old wound. I happened to notice your edit in the article's recent history, and I fully trust your judgement. I'll look at your petition directly. I feel confident I'll find myself in support of it. Cheers.—John Cline (talk) 07:49, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! No wound, - we celebrated Verdi's birthday together, last November, and we get along well, I simple try not to get in conflict. I believe that most operas would be more attractive with an infobox instead of a navbox that is redundant to a better one on the bottom, but don't waste time doing missionary work. I occasionally ask, though ;) - The link to the petition is on top of my user, if you don't want to read the (sort of related) discussion right above, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Weinen, Klagen, Sorgen, Zagen, BWV 12

The article Weinen, Klagen, Sorgen, Zagen, BWV 12 you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Weinen, Klagen, Sorgen, Zagen, BWV 12 for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Dr. Blofeld -- Dr. Blofeld (talk) 15:03, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Can you proof Stephan Schreckenberger..♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:47, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Johanna Koslowsky. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:08, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Massenet

Greetings, dear Gerda! I am in the strange position of having two articles up for FAC at the moment, both as co-nom. I don't imagine John Gielgud is of compelling interest, but I wonder if you might find it pleasing to drop in chez Jules Massenet. Quite understand if he doesn't appeal, naturally. Respectful hugs, Tim riley talk 20:05, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for another invitation, while I didn't even turn to the Fludde, other than creating an article for it. The strange things I do instead include telling an arbitrtor as gently as I can (phrase borrowed from George Ponderevo) to check premises, and our founder about, - well how would you call it? I also had three singers on DYK on three consecutive days, - a bit strange after I left project opera to avoid being its troublemaker ;) - Did you see above that a Bach cantata was made GA today? Now the reviewer starts to fill its red links ;)

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Red links now all blue, looks much better. Now that's something Tim wouldn't do as a reviewer! :-)♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:31, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

I did indeed see BVW 12 promoted. I itch to review your GA nominations, but you can understand that as secretary to the Gerda Fan Club I feel inhibited from so doing. It was a salutary excursion for me today to engage in the FAC for Fluorine. I didn't understand a word of it, but nobody could imagine I was favouring dear colleagues! Tim riley talk 20:42, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

I understand. Nice club idea, after I was seen in the infobox warrior club, which I don't know. Above, I said that I don't know of an infobox battle in 2014, - how about you? My fans could perhaps tell the arbs that they don't think I need a restriction to behave? Actually, Andy the same. - What do think about my thoughts about learning? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Superlambanana

Delighted to see that you are a fan of this iconic structure (at the top of the page)! --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:10, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

... only that the sad reason is that I am a fan of the missing photographer, - it's the most cheerful way I can deal with another terrible loss for the project, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Mmmmm. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:40, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Viola flettii

Gerda, is this DYK nom approved? Hawkeye7 (talk) 05:51, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Now it is, thanks for the reminder. Good TFA! And nice stats for Laura Fürst! (In German, there's "Abrufstatistik" on the bottom of each page.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:06, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

The page got over 18,000 hits, which is just awesome. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:37, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks to your striking image! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:09, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

The Women House of Brescia

Hi Gerda, I created the above article recently. I want to nominate it for DYK along with the actors' articles. Till now, I have 5x expanded Gertrude Welcker, Ernst Deutsch, Olga Limburg,Josef Peterhans, Maria Forescu and Fritz Delius (actor). Including all of these the nom will be a 7-articles one. The deadline is 19 August. I will expand Eduard von Winterstein and Paul Bildt and hopefully create the non-existent articles by translating the corresponding ones from German Wikipedia. Does this source provide any additional info beside what the film article currently has?

Thanks--Skr15081997 (talk) 16:01, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Just returning, will look around before looking deeper into this, but do you have a particular reason to have them all in one hook, instead of spreading the goodness on seven? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:29, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

The source has additional information on the play, but not on the film. It refers to a different section where both are compared. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:12, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

The hook would be something like this

...that (...actors names...) acted in (film's title) - the film was refused (or rejected) premiere by the British Board of Film Classification in 1921 on grounds of prostitution depicted in the film?

Most of the sources are German. You can use the source to create an article on the play. I am unable to translate the page using Google translate. Thanks--Skr15081997 (talk) 11:20, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

I am too busy right now for extra articles, sorry. - the hook is great without any actor, why not give every actor a personal line instead of being just part of a list. - IF you do it anyway, please don't list them all in the nomination's name. just the film. The watchlists will thank you ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:35, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

ps: if an article for the play is an option, the film should have "(film)", as the derived work, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:36, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Ok, I have understood the point! I will move the film article to the appropriate title and nominate the above articles soon. Thanks--Skr15081997 (talk) 12:43, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Werner Genuit

The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Endymion (ensemble)

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	I know you do other stuff too, but I seem to see your name most often on user talkpages, invariably offering some kindly and poetic words of encouragement. Figured it's worth letting you have some of the same, although I'm no poet: Gerda, thanks for being nice, Dank für betragen nicht mörderische. I don't speak very good German, either. Yunshui 雲水 09:30, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! I practise every day, it helps ;) - today's: move in harmony, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:44, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Gabriela Eibenová

Hello! Your submission of Gabriela Eibenová at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 23:21, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you, Gerda, for your kind message.

This week I had a lot of other things to do. I will for sure update the pages of Bruckner's Quartet and Quintet next week, e.g.,adding a section "Versions and editions" and seeing for a split for the Alternative Rondo and the Intermezzo.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:58, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Before splitting, try the second infobox again one more time, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:15, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Please

There is an avid discussion going on in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera‎ about the legitimity of info boxes as an (legitimate) alternative to composer templates. I do not know your opinion but I would be very grateful if you could/would participate in the discussion as I have great admiration for your knowledge and your style. Thanks in any case, and best greetings after a wonderful evening with Fierrabras.--Meister und Margarita (talk) 00:30, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Of course they are legitimate. An infobox {{infobox opera}} was developed and proposed for use, see for example Opera infoboxes. Does this sound like a plan? - See also the other discussions (look for the word "infobox" in the well-organized archive). - I left the project but participated in the current discussion. "My" operas have infoboxes, of course, for example Bluthochzeit. I quote Voceditenore: "I live in hope." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:45, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

"Es ist schade um die Menschen." A Quote from Dream Play by Strindberg. All these efforts, so much harm. Makes me really sad. Rethinking myself, thanking you and still hoping, --Meister und Margarita (talk) 08:59, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for what you do, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:00, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Puankhequa

HJ Mitchell 00:03, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Mouvements d'Harmonie

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:39, 27 August 2014 (UTC) 12:03, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Henry Lansdell

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:42, 27 August 2014 (UTC) 00:02, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Bruckner at the Salzburger Festspiele

Dear Gerda,

Ö1 broadcasted on 22 August the premiere of the "Urfassung" of Symphony No. 1 (Röder's edition, conductor: C. Meister), which was performed on 26 July at the Salzburger Festspiele. Shortly after it was put on YouTube.[53] I discussed with Hans and John whether it actually was a premiere, because I heard no obvious difference with the "1866 Original unrevised Linz version" prepared by William Carragan in 1998, which Gerd Schaller used in Ebrach in July 2011 (See also my comment on YouTube). Röder is responsible for the update of the volume of the MWV dedicated to Symphony No. 1. John replied: "We will have to see what Röder writes in his forward. That new edition will be out soon. Carragan did his edition independently of the MWV. While it is unusual that they did not go to him, it is also not surprising." It would not be the first time that there is some personal rivalry among scholars...

The second part of the broadcast was devoted to Mass No. 2 (conductor: R. Huber). Unfortunately this performance used as commonly the "2. Fassung" of 1882. Shortly after it was also put on YouTube.[54]

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:33, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. - I heard a wonderful performance of the mass, with other romantic a cappella music, - and remembered singing it! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:13, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Quick question

Aloha. I would like to apologize in advance for interrupting your important work. This question will only take a moment of your time. The German archaeologist Roland Hampe published a small, 44 page book titled Die Stele aus Pharsalos im Louvre (1951).[55] However, according to OCLC, there is an online (e-book) version available.[56] Do you have any idea where I might be able to get a copy? The OCLC notes that the digital version was published by HathiTrust, but I am having trouble finding the book on their website.[57] I will keep looking if you don't have an answer. Thank you. Viriditas (talk) 22:03, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

I found the same, unfortunately, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:05, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I just realized the problem. Due to copyright restrictions, the e-book version is only available for the purpose of scanning, not for reading.[58] What a silly world we live in! Viriditas (talk) 22:09, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Viriditas, excuse me for asking, but how can a book be available for scanning but not reading? I'm trying to imagine how you'd scan a work, but not glance at the pages? (NB: I'm not challenging your statement, but just fascinated by how that works in practice! Copyright law can be a strange beast...) Hchc2009 (talk) 19:57, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Archiving and letting it go

Hi Gerda. I had an email from Boing! Said Zebedee over the weekend, asking me to manually archive a section of his talk page, which you had been adding to regularly, perhaps to stop archiving? I'm concerned that the section in question includes a long quote from the infobox case - I'm certain it's not how he'd want to be immortalised. This Wikipedia equivalent of "thread bumping" is something I've seen before from you and I'm going to ask you to stop doing it on B!sZ's page (and preferably stop doing it all together) - he's trying to move away from the drama of Wikipedia, he's trying to focus on other things, I think he deserves the chance. Worm^TT(talk) 07:52, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for coming over. I saw it and responded. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:56, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Clarification (for readers not familiar with the sad loss): the quote was not from the infobox case, but from its recent enforcement. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:04, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Why is it a "sad loss" when it was B's choice. Boing has been gone over a month now and it seems you don't respect that choice - especially since you just made another edit to the talk page. Clerical or not it isn't needed. MarnetteD|Talk 06:22, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

It is sad for me. My one (and last) edit was prepared when I translated an article right when he left, my way of letting go. It takes a while to reach the German Did you know section and happened today. The edit is factual information, like these flowers three years later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:31, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Everyone has an excuse. Your last post is still more than a month after Boing chose to leave and many many hours after Worm asked you to stop - which was based on a request by Boing himself. Can't you honor anyone's requests? MarnetteD|Talk 06:53, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Gosh darn it - I should have said that my experience of your editing here shows that you have a heart as big as all out doors on at least 4 continents. You deserve all sorts of praise for that. OTOH when it causes problems for another person you might want to reign it in no matter how long ago the initial event was. Apologies for all the offense I have caused you. MarnetteD|Talk 07:07, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Taken. I just looked at "not bad" again, "gentleness seems to have left with you", a monologue I enjoy, it's a bit like confession ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:18, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

• Apologies, I've just removed a "warning" as I was a little confused about the timeline. Without the "warning" though, I'm reminding you publicly what you have been told privately, don't post on Boing! Said Zebedee's talk page again. On a different tack, I see you've been posting similar items to a lot of peoples talk pages - why don't you ask those people how they feel about your posts of this nature? I for one find them infuriating and I think you might find a fair number agree with me. I understand you mean well and the difference may be cultural - so asking the question may be the best idea. Worm^TT(talk) 11:16, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

WP:APPENDIX

Hello, Gerda. I just wanted to point out that the "works cited/sources" section is considered a separate section wikiwide (as opposed to subsection of "citations/references") and (apart from very few exceptions) is marked as a level 2 heading [59]. The only other way is to have a level 2 heading called "Notes and references" and have two level 3 headings called "Notes" and "References", respectively, below it. --Omnipaedista (talk) 06:16, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Learning. It doesn't make sense to me yet, but what's new? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:20, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

This Wikipedia convention reflects the convention employed in most printed academic publications according to which the last two sections of an article/book are called "Citations/references" and "Works cited", respectively. --Omnipaedista (talk) 06:44, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Bruckner's Mass No. 3 - Versions and editions

Dear Gerda,

I have recently have a discussion with Hans Roelofs concerning the various versions and editions of Bruckner's Mass No. 3. The situation is nearly even complex as that of some Bruckner's symphonies... See my comment on the comment page of the Mass.

For Mass No. 2 there are clearly two different versions (1866 and 1882), which have both been issued by Nowak. For Mass No. 1 there one version edited by Nowak, but it is not clear on which manuscript(s) it is based: 1864 or 1882?

I will now review the pages String Quintet (Bruckner) and String Quartet (Bruckner) and try to put again a second infobox on them. It is not always obvious to add something to a page which was originally edited by somebody else. There is only one version/edition of the Quartet and its alternative Rondo, but two versions/editions of the Quintet and its Intermezzo. Therefore I will also add a section "Versions and editions".

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:37, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Traveling and online only sporadically. I noticed this morning that more recent sources put the composition date of BWV 120 at 1742 instead of the late 1720s, which makes it a parody of BWV 120a, not the other way round, - major changes to several articles. I am happy that the list of Bach cantatas is sortable ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:46, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks much

Your message cheered up the morning. Was wondering if you were interested in an RfA. If yes, would be a pleasure nominating you. Wifione ^Message 15:49, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! About a nomination: it's an honour, but read a few messages around here first. The best answer was by Dr. Blofeld ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:59, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, have read the whole thread. My view is different; there are many content writers who ensure they take up only those administrative areas that are related to content writing and that don't take away the pleasure of/from volunteering. And I would recommend you go for the RfA. If you're on for it, I'll continue on email. If not, no issues. Best regards. Wifione ^Message 08:37, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

FYI

Please, I'm very curious and I hope you will oblige by answering the questions I ask you in Pigsonthewing's page.

I said there that you ask too much.

You never answered the question I posted for you, on Pigsonthewing's page[60] where we were having a conversation regarding your many posts on blocked/banned users' pages as well as on those of ArbCom members and other highly active editors, and the way you regularly update those pages in a hidden manner. I was worried that all those people get an orange message banned which could be irritating, though I'm not sure if they do get the orange flash when your post is so hidden and the bot doesn't notice that you haven't signed or dated your update. Also, you never answered my other questions there, such as your reasons for always supporting Pingsonthewing with irrelevant reasons such as the two afcs when you support Pigsonthewing, your reason was per Andy's reason that "consistency. This stub doesn't hurt WP." And another of Pigsonthewing you supported with: Keep BBC is an independent source. It would be undue weight to merge this article to the series article. (Did you know that we keep an article about a fictional opera)? Why not this person who probably was real?)--Gerda Arendt". Also, you seem to never answer any question directly, but just disregard it and post a link to one of your articles or images, often one promoting infoboxes. I'm also curious about Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement. Is this your personal project, since you post 82% of all posts[61] and 98% of the posts at Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/PumpkinSky Prize. Isn't Pumpkinsky banned/blocked? I would greatly appreciate a direct answer. If there is something you don't understand, rather than giving me a round-about answer with irrelevant links to things you are promoting, could you just ask me to clarify? Thanks! Parabolooidal (talk) 15:59, 3 September 2014 (UTC) (talk page stalker)Parabolooidal, Gerda is under no obligation whatsoever to answer you, and reading your posts, the thing that popped into my mind was WP:DFTT. And no, PSky is not banned or blocked, neither is Boing! They both left voluntarily due to the ongoing harassment and bullying of tendentious editors. We at QAI let Gerda maintain the page because she's the best at doing it, and the PumpkinSKy prize is her own, so of course she ca do with it as she sees fit. Now I am going to give you some advice: go away and don't bother her here. Montanabw(talk) 19:11, 3 September 2014 (UTC) An admin taught me the phrase "pointed silence". I am on vacation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:08, 3 September 2014 (UTC) Seems like ther is a misunderstanding here. The "pointed silence" was used by Scott to remove six Gerda's post from his page. Since Scott's failed to answer any of Gerda's six posts ("pointed silence"), I think the reference "pointed silence" means that Scott's ignoring Gerda's posts did no good so the six posts were removed. I think Gerda's friends should help this editor out in understanding the English language. And Gerda, you're not on vacation, since you made about sixteen or so posts the day after your "vacation" statement. Also, User:Montanabw, you misunderstand also. If you look up a few threads in Gerda's page here, you'll see one called "Archiving and letting it go" where User:Worm That Turned makes comments about Gerda's continuing to post on blocked editor User talk:Boing! said Zebedee, after Boing! requested that she stop,[62] and says these continued posts on people's pages seems like "thread bumping" to prevent archiving. After Gerda posted again on Boring!, Worm gave her a more specific warning[63]. Then he offers a suggestion[64] that Gerda ask those many users if they want the continuing these type of posts on their pages. He says "I for one find them infuriating and I think you might find a fair number agree with me.[65] Again I suggest that Gerda's friends help Gerda to do the right thing here. Thanks! Parabolooidal (talk) 17:14, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

The "point" of the pointed silence is to demonstrate that the person maintaining the silence has no interest in the topic. I suggest you take the hint, Parabolooidal, and live with the disappointment of not having your questions answered. Belle (talk) 17:27, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

@Parabolooidal, you're not the only person who is puzzled by Gerda's constant unsolicited posts to various talk pages. When I was researching infoboxes for the Signpost's Arbitration Report, I was told privately that quite a few users were freaked out by her apparent non-sequiturs and constant off-topic references to infoboxes. It seems that she does not understand English well, and is always either answering the wrong thing or going off topic, or asking people to explain meanings of things she doesn't understand in English. Someone should probably point her to the Simple Wikipedia. The subjects themselves are not simple, but the vocabulary is much easier to understand.

If you look at a small edit like this one it is probably typical of the ones she makes daily to high profile pages. Since I still have most of the arbs' talk pages watchlisted, I see these all the time. This particular arb's talk page is watchlisted by over 200 users, so every time she makes some small change to point people some music score she has updated on her user page, all of these people see it. You have to realize too, that every time she makes one of these edits, it makes the user's orange notification box light up again and again and again, every day. She has easily made more trivial edits to the arb pages than even Kumioko at the height of his trolling.

Unfortunately, every time someone tries to tell Gerda what a problem this can be, she gets really upset. She doesn't want to realize that although some people enjoy her comments, other people are really upset by them, and don't know what to do. —Neotarf (talk) 17:58, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Neotarf: when I go to a talk page I talk TO the person, not about the person. When was I ever upset? I am sorry to see Parabolooidal blocked. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:43, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Hmm. Hey Gerda, did I ever tell you that the very first message on my talk page was from the sockpuppet of a banned user? —Neotarf (talk) 22:17, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

No, you didn't. The very first message on this page is by a user who just had his user page deleted and only restored it to say "retired". Makes me sad. The second message I keep mentions Mathew Townsend who did several great GA reviews. Sad. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Good news: the banner is gone, he wants to grow a thicker skin. Look above for "hard heart". I am on vacation means that I have very limited time and want to use it for content, such as dealing with a GA review and the Bruckner article split topic (see below). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:12, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I was going to say he has been busy. (See here.). He asked someone to block him for two weeks, but that block is over. I suppose school is starting and his parents want him to study instead of being on the computer all the time. Sometimes people have a page deleted so no one can read what was on it before.

I don't know anything about GA, I suppose I should study it. —Neotarf (talk) 03:17, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

String Quartet (Bruckner)

Dear Gerda,

I have updated the page and put (again) a second infobox for the Rondo. Please have a look on it and let me know whether it is OK for you.

NB: Updating the String Quintet (Bruckner) will be less easy because of its revisions and different editions.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:13, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

PS: I have replaced "Alternative Rondo" by "Rondo in C minor (for String Quartet)", which is its official name. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:45, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Looks good. I would mention the Rondo in the lead and make a redirect for it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Traum durch die Dämmerung

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Traum durch die Dämmerung you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jonas Vinther -- Jonas Vinther (talk) 21:42, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Ernst Roth

Grave of Ernst Roth (1896-1971) in Twickenham Cemetery, London, UK.

Hi Gerda. That photo of Ernst Roth's gravestone is now uploaded. I've put a thumbnail here. You may want to crop it down a bit before using in an article. Please use as you see fit, and apologies for taking so long to get round to uploading it. Not quite eight months, but still a long time. Hopefully better late than never. Carcharoth (talk) 00:04, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you!

. . ...
colourful image in hope
last song of silence

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:26, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Traum durch die Dämmerung

The article Traum durch die Dämmerung you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Traum durch die Dämmerung for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jonas Vinther -- Jonas Vinther (talk) 00:42, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the review. I will respond later today, had a poor interrupted connection and am busy now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

No problem at all. Two other editors has already posted responses and the article does not require much more work to pass. Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 11:42, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

I addressed some, to be continued, need sleep and will travel more, stay tuned, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:30, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

String Quintet (Bruckner)

Dear Gerda,

I have updated the page and put (again) a second infobox for the Intermezzo. Please have a look on it and let me know whether it is OK for you.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:27, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Will look later, first the above. Returning from a great 7th with the Gustav Mahler Youth Orchestra and Christoph Eschenbach on the occasion of receiving the Rheingau Musikpreis! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:08, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Bruckner's String Quartet and String Quintet

Dear Gerda,

Our colleague Nikkimaria has again counteracted my changes.

In the String Quartet, she has made a split, i.e., removing the info about the Rondo in C minor and putting some content on it in Rondo in C minor (Bruckner) - a page I had also created in the past as redirect to String Quartet.

In the String Quintet, she is presumably also intended for making a split. She has removed the info about the Intermezzo. I guess she will also put some content on it in Intermezzo (Bruckner) - a page I had created in the past as redirect to String Quintet.

I propose to act properly, i.e., putting again the info she has not transferred from String Quartet to Rondo in C minor (Bruckner). For the Intermezzo, I will wait until she puts something in Intermezzo (Bruckner) and then put again the info she has not transferred from String Quintet.

OK so? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 08:54, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Good. Have relevant information both articles. See also BWV 120 and 120a.

Relevant info and infobox, forgotten during the split - all referenced - added to Rondo in C minor (Bruckner). --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:20, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Keeping the momentum, I have put the relevant info and infobox of the Intermezzo (all referenced) into Intermezzo (Bruckner). Hopefully Nikkimaria will agree with the content. Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:58, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Please arbitrate

Our best colleague Nikkimaria has again counteracted my changes.

In Rondo in C minor (Bruckner) she has removed the infobox, the Template:Anton Bruckner and some other relevant info I had added.

She has blanked Intermezzo (Bruckner) and redirected it to a short, new page Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner) with a content based on only two references she had found on internet (AllMusic and the leaflet of one of the CDs) - as she also did for Rondo in C minor (Bruckner) - ignoring the content I had put on Intermezzo (Bruckner) and the relevant info I had retrieved on it in van Zwol's 782 pages anthology.

Please arbitrate. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:47, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

I have formally been asked to let go of infobox disputes. You can handle it, I am sure. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:29, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

ps: article talk is step one, and I suggest you don't do two at a time, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:10, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

One option would be to return the Rondo information to the Quintet article. It wouldn't be the only topic covered twice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:07, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

For the Muse Of Music, Gerda

Present for you

Hafspajen (talk) 08:36, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Lovely, thank you, dreaming of improving Magnificat next, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:19, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Your Traum choice is on his way to be an exiting thing. (Too..) Hafspajen (talk) 11:01, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Even more lovely, I read the nomination and was quite moved about the mention of Sanddunes Sunset, - you may know that my never-to-be-changed user pic is named Sanddunes Sunrise. Look at the links to the image ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:24, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, nice, no? Any interest in writing up an article on it? Move in harmony... Hafspajen (talk) 11:39, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Interested yes, time no, many other projects. Start a stub, that's what I do these days, started in March with women, several that need to filled. The Magnificat needs a lot more attention before we perform 3 October, hopefully in harmony ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:43, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Palmsunday, what do they try to put up on the File:Waldmüller - Palmsonntag.jpeg ceiling? Is this some local thing? Hafspajen (talk) 13:26, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

On Palm Sunday, Palmzweige are blessed at churches, taken to homes and placed somewhere visible, typically adorning a Crucifix. They can be really from palms (how do you call them, leaves?) or - more often - green branches, most often evergreen Buchsbaum, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:35, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner)

Dear Gerda,

Thank you for your support. On Talk:Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner), you can see that I have put a similar argumentation as that I have put on Talk:Rondo in C minor (Bruckner). Is it OK for you too?

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:50, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes. They are connected, and handling them in one article would be fine with me. Just do it. The split article can co-exist. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:59, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

For your info: Hans Roelofs, who is responsible for the discography of Bruckner's non-orchestral works, has in the meantime had an independent look on the pages String Quartet (Bruckner), Rondo in C minor (Bruckner), String Quintet (Bruckner) and Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner). He thereafter e-mailed the following reaction to me: "Wanneer iemand zoals jij, die je sporen al bij Wikipedia heeft verdiend, dan een lemma schrijft over een onderwerp dat relevant is en binnen het Wikipedia-Bruckner-concept past, heeft dan iemand anders het recht dat tegen te houden? Wordt die betreffende user door de redactie gewaarschuwd?" (Translation: "When someone like you, who has already won his spurs by Wikipedia, writes a lemma which is relevant and suits the Wikipedia-Bruckner-concept, has someone else the right to hold it? Has the concerned user got a warning from the Wikipedia redaction?"). --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:29, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Hopefully the message I have put on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music‎ will break the deadlock and I will, because of this message, not be considered as a "bad guy". --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:30, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

See the reply on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music‎. The replier considers that it is not an issue to be arbitrated. What can I do to "break the deadlock"? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:51, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

The replier doesn't see the problem(s) yet. You possibly have to be more explicit about the quality of the sources (and yes, Wikipedia doesn't consider self-published reliable), the style, and the question if a split was a good idea. Perhaps make a timeline of events of one split, or at least point to the discussions on the talk pages. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:17, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

ps: The replier is also right that arbitration is used on Wikipedia for a specific process that I recommend to avoid, - I think mediation or discussion would serve your purpose better, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:34, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

See my update Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music#Please mediate‎. Is it OK? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:20, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

As suggested by Francis Schonken I have put a Requests for mediation: Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Rondo in C minor (Bruckner) and Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner)‎. Is this the right decision? Montanabw do not think so... He would advise to get the advice of editors with a classical music background, but I do not think that there are many Wikipedia-specialists of Anton Bruckner? There is one for sure: Artiumbremen alias Benjamin-Gunnar Cohrs. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:46, 8 September 2014 (UTC)--Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:46, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

PS: When the WikiProject Classical music decided to set up the List of compositions by Anton Bruckner I was asked to participate as Bruckner-specialist... --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 20:27, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Did you tell the other party who didn't edit today? (Some users are on strike on Mondays.) I never tried formal mediation, so will be of not much help, but watching. I was strongly advised to stay away of everything that smells like infobox, even remotely ;) - Back from rehearsal, and guess what we sang: a Missa in F (mentioned today in the naming conventions)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Gerda, I was going to post a similar invitation here as I posted on Montanabw talk page, then I saw you had answered already on my talk page. Tx, no problem. --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:05, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for thinking of me. I will watch and see if I can help, interested in more understanding, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:12, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

As you replied to Francix‎, I wonder whether the mediation, as it is currently set, would succeed. I think that it can only succeed if a third independent party, which is a "Bruckner-expert", can also participate, provided (of course) Nikkimaria accepts to participate in the mediation. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:11, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Traum durch die Dämmerung

The article Traum durch die Dämmerung you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Traum durch die Dämmerung for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jonas Vinther -- Jonas Vinther (talk) 13:02, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Great work, Gerda. Well done!--Ipigott (talk) 15:03, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, both, I will keep dreaming ;) - the article appeared on DYK, see top of my 2014 archive,

Übersetzung

Hallo Frau Arendt, nach dem deutschen Original-Text im "Traum"- Artikel folgen zwei Übersetzungsvarianten für den ersten Vers, nicht für den Lied-Titel wie angegeben. Ist das ein Versehen oder verstehe ich da was nicht? Radulf (talk) 20:42, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Danke, hoffentlich jetzt besser? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:50, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

War ja nur ne Winzigkeit in einem schönen Artikel.Radulf (talk) 21:02, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

P. S. Das Datum der Lyrikanthologie kann nicht stimmen, weil Jost Hermand 1904 noch nicht auf Erden weilte. Ich dann das aber gerne richtigstellen.--Radulf (talk) 12:12, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Ja, gerne, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:15, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

C. Bange Verlag

C. Bange Verlag's article on German Wikipedia contains no references or sources. Should we just translate the article or do you have some sources? Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 16:29, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Sigh, typical German WP. No, I don't have any extra sources, - and plenty of work, and rehearsal coming up! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:32, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

A quick Google search show clear signs of notability; I will add some sources and cites when we get to that point. Currently, my to-do list says that Wilhelm Keitel and Animal welfare during World War II is my priority. Keitel's article has literlaly not one valid, reliable source, but I have a lots, so promised to do some work on that article. Animal welfare is an article I originally started, but was moved to user page because per discussion consensus and will first be a real article again when I prove it's notability and standard. Those two subjects will most likely swallow up my wiki time for tonight, but I'm uber ready tomorrow. Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 16:40, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for José Carlos Cocarelli

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:03, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Women writers Invitation

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My position

Dear Gerda,

Please have look on the last paragraph (My position) of User talk:Francis Schonken#Wikipedia:Requests for mediation:Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Rondo in C minor (Bruckner) and Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner). Let me please know whether you are OK with my position.

NB: If you have any problem with Hans' text, I can of course translate it for you. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:20, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, I am watching there and the other related pages, no need to repeat ;) - If the text is going to be part of the mediation, a translation would help, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:25, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Nikkimaria does not want to participate to the proposed mediation, because "As this dispute does not currently meet the prerequisites for mediation, this filing is not appropriate at this time. These articles were created not even a week ago and discussion is ongoing on the talk pages, where Meneerke or other parties are welcome to participate if they so choose". Which next step would you suggest? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:30, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

I am watching ;) - You don't have to repeat anything here. - Go to one talk page, such as Intermezzo, and break things up in easy questions, one at a time. My experience: if you ask Nikkimaria two questions, she will leave one unanswered, always the one you are more concerned about ;) - Our agreement is more than a year old, I learned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:35, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

The idea of a mediation was not my own idea. Apparently Nikkimaria has understood that I am not a beginner. She has no more removed the infobox on Rondo in C minor (Bruckner). I have approved one of her changes and answered her question on Talk:Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner). The infobox of Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner) is well not yet restored. Let us do it step by step and see... --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:15, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Since Nikkimaria does currently not want a mediation, I will, till a definitive solution is found, only put comments, suggestions and questions on the talk-pages, as I just did on Talk:Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner) and Talk:Rondo in C minor (Bruckner). I have also added a langer part of Hans Roelofs' reaction. Nikkimaria was the originator of these two split-pages. The ball is now in her court. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:54, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Seen, good. Did it occur you that you can restore the infobox? (I can't.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:01, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

In the history you can find the info box of the Intermezzo. See [66]. Nikki had removed it and it was then put again by User:Montanabw. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:07, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes. My position: Intermezzo should have an infobox, as all other Bruckner compositions. The topic should define the style, as a service to our readers, not the particular dislike of one editor (which is also called ownership). - Now I am restricted not to restore deleted infoboxes, and even if not, I have an agreement with Nikkimaria which is based on ownership but is better than edit war. YOU have no such restrictions and agreements, you could restore the infobox and find support for doing so. You could also ask for support first on the article talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:22, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Rheingauer Dom

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:02, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Template: Bruckner chamber music

Beste Gerda,

FYI: I have created un Template "Bruckner chamber music" and added it to the concerned articles. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Why? They are all in {{Anton Bruckner}}. Add to the quintet all it needs to make the connection to the intermezzo. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:49, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

You indeed have created the global template {{Anton Bruckner}}. In addition, there were already the separate templates {{Bruckner symphonies}}, {{Bruckner masses}}, {{Bruckner psalms}} and {{Bruckner cantatas}}.

Although indeed non absolutely necessary, I thus appeared logical to me to create a separate template {{Bruckner chamber music}}, so that the reader immediately can see which other pages are existing in the concerned genre without consulting the global template - also as, e.g., Nikki do not accept the connection from the Quintet to the Intermezzo, or that from the Quartet to the Rondo. I think both are thus useful. In that genre "Chamber music" is only Abendklänge (WAB 110), a short piece for violin and piano, missing.

NB: There is still work to do in the future: other wiki-pages could indeed be also created for the motets (about 40 items), the piano and organ music (13 items), and the Weltliche Lieder und Chöre (about 40 items)... As you know, I have at least one recording of all Bruckner's works in their different versions and editions, except the three earlier name-day cantatas and 12 Weltliche Chöre, of which no commercial or (known) private recording is currently available. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:40, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I would understand a separate template for 40 motets, as we have one for 200+ Bach cantatas, but something extra to open for just handful of items, - I don't need it, - but it's your field ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:45, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

As suggested by Nikki –she can also have good ideas– I have created a subcategory "Chamber music by Bruckner" and removed the superfluous navbox. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:41, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

She has good ideas. - You could remove the other doubling navboxes as well, if you are in that swing ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:08, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm Crazy131. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Martin Lücker, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you. Crazy131 (talk) 14:42, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

How to come close

to God

Hafspajen (talk) 20:53, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Singing seems lighter ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Anton Bruckner

Hi Gerda,

See my reply on Template talk:Anton Bruckner‎. What do you think?

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 08:48, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Storace

Thanks for the encouraging click! Opus33 (talk) 18:01, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

I like to read the period recognition of artists! - You would have liked the concert I just heard: Murray Perahia and the Academy in Beethoven's fifth piano concerto at the Kurhaus Wiesbaden, Perahia's debut at the Rheingau Musik Festival, - standing ovations for a quite lyrical inspired performance. - Recommended listening: an interview with him, about his relationship to Benjamin Britten. - Will be away for rehearsals for most of the weekend. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:35, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

<expresses envy> Opus33 (talk) 23:52, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

An invitation to join WikiProject Women writers

Hello Gerda Arendt/2014! We are looking for editors to join WikiProject Women writers, an outreach effort which aims at improving articles about women writers on Wikipedia. We thought you might be interested, and hope that you will join us. Thank you!

--Rosiestep (talk) 15:45, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

The Lives of a Bengal Lancer

Lieber freund, since I was kind enough to review your Traum durch die Dämmerung would you review my Lives of a Bengal Lancer? Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 18:31, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Good idea, but I don't do GA reviews, for language reasons, - peer reviews and FA reviews yes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:40, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Se does it again...

Dear Gerda.

Nikkimaria has again removed substantiated data that I had put in the Intermezzo because Hans Roelofs's discography would be "out of date". See Talk:Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner)#Discography. Please give advice, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 17:26, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Few infoboxes have recording information, - I pick my "battles" ;) - More important to have an infobox for the Rondo and Ecce sacerdos magnus, - I can't help with that, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:30, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Time to start accumulating a list of articles where she is removing sources. I can't keep track of them all. Then ping me with the list. Montanabw^(talk) 19:58, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

In this case, it seems that using the info as a reference instead of an external link would help. For infoboxes, see here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:19, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

She has now replaced the discography I had put for the Intermezzo by another. On which base? Is she a Bruckner specialist? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 20:48, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I am not good in mindreading. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:57, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Assume she is not. Restore the material, add to it and if she deletes, just do exatly the same thing she does - don't do a straight revert, revert with continued improvements. Montanabw^(talk) 05:28, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

See my mea culpa on the talk page of the Intermezzo - Nobody is infallible! As integer scientist and physician I always admit my mistakes and revert them - and my updates on the page Intermezzo. Are there OK for you? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:11, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Don't ask ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:17, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

See the last content of the talk pages of the Rondo and the Intermezzo. I think it is no more manageable without a mediation. What do you mind? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:40, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Read letting go ..., a good poem, by Poeticbent ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:02, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Rondo

A merge proposal could win consensus if the main article had more discussion of the other movements, so it stayed balanced. I like infoboxes. This article is part of a series, and readers should get a consistent experience. See Help:Infobox – "The use of infoboxes is neither required nor prohibited for any article. Whether to include an infobox, which infobox to include, and which parts of the infobox to use, is determined through discussion and consensus among the editors at each individual article." The "main editor" does not have any special say. I am not qualified to judge the sources. I am generally suspicious of websites, but they may be good. I would not remove citations of sources that seem reliable. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:22, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

This

Two Men Contemplating the Moon

Precious

Thank you, Gerda Arendt, for appreciating the contributions from a little gnome. It encourages to continue. Thank you. Lotje (talk) 06:22, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Gnome myself ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:53, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Selection of a discography

Hi Gerda,

As you know Nikki remains stiff-necked and does not accept my argumentation about the selection of a discography. A real dialogue of the deaf...

See my last reply concerning the selected discography on Talk:Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner), subsection "How does a work / performance get notability?" and the comments I have put about the Discography on Talk:Vexilla regis (Bruckner), Talk:Virga Jesse (Bruckner), Talk:Locus iste (Bruckner) and Talk:Ecce sacerdos magnus (Bruckner).

Till a consensus is achieved I will not amend the discography, but put my comments on the talk pages, so that other users can react.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:27, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Good approach. Please add to Locus iste, - it's a start, no more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:56, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Am I allowed to add {{WikiProject Christianity|class=start|importance=low}}? Please let me know it. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:25, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Why not? I am not the one to allow or not ;) - There are many articles to which you could add that, including many of Bach's works. For 3 or more projects, consider to use {{bannershell}}, for example on the talk of Graham Waterhouse. You could also add the infobox on the talk of BWV 138 to the article, if you agree with me that it improves Wikipedia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:33, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

As proposed I have added the banner "Christianity" to the other motets.

In the meantime I have also found another motet Afferentur regi, to which I have also put a banner and added a suggestion for the discography.

I have added it to {{Anton Bruckner}}, putting the motets in chronological order. If more pages for the motets are created in the future, a subsection "motets" could then also be created within {{Anton Bruckner}}. I have put the till now 5 motets into a new subcategory Motets by Anton Bruckner. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:52, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Consider to write some yourself. Minimum standard should be a lik to the score and a translation of the title. (I added those to the ones I accidentally discovered when I looked for a link to Virga Jesse floruit.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:04, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

I will do it. For your info, herewith my own selection of the Motets ('faithful' recordings in chronological order):

1. Pange lingua (1. Fassung), WAB 31 – H. Baumgartner (YouTube). No other recording available
2. Libera me (I), WAB 21 – T. Kerbl
3. Asperges me, WAB 4 – N. Tanaka (Bruckner Archive). No other recording available
4. Asperges me (äolisch), WAB 3.1 – E. Ortner
5. Asperges me F-Dur, WAB 3.2 – G.M. Cavallo (YouTube, with a lot of noise). Other 'faithful' recording: N. Tanaka (Bruckner Archive)
6. Tantum Ergo D-Dur, WAB 32 – E. Ortner
7. Tantum Ergo A-Dur, WAB 43 – J. Brown
8. Dir, Herr, dir will ich mir ergeben, WAB 12 – T. Kerbl
9. O du liebes Jesu Kind, WAB 145 – R. Frieberger
10. Herz-Jesu-Lied, WAB 144 – T. Kerbl
11. Vier Tantum Ergo (1. Fassung), WAB 41 – T. Kerbl
12. Tantum ergo D-Dur (1. Fassung), WAB 42 – T. Kerbl
13. Zwei Aequale, WAB 114 & 149 – E. Ortner
14. In jener letzten der Nächte (1. Fassung), WAB 17 – R. Frieberger
15. In jener letzten der Nächte (2. Fassung), WAB 17 – T. Kerbl
16. Zwei Totenlieder, WAB 47-48 – D. Ferguson
17. Libera me (II), WAB 22 – M. Best
18. Tantum Ergo B-Dur, WAB 44 – T. Kerbl
19. Ave Maria (I), WAB 5 – P. Fiala
20. Ave Maria (II), WAB 6 – E. Ortner
21. Afferentur regi, WAB 1 – E. Ortner
22. Pange lingua (phrygisch), WAB 33 – E. Ortner
23. Inveni David, WAB 19 – M. Flämig
24. Iam lucis orto sidere (mixed), WAB 18 – R. Jones
25. Locus iste, WAB 23 – E. Ortner
26. Christus factus est (II), WAB 10 – R. Luna
27. Tota pulchra es, WAB 46 – E. Ortner
28. Os Justi (+ Versus-Choral), WAB 30 – D. Ferguson
29. Ave Maria (III), WAB 7 – R. Frieberger
30. Christus factus est (III), WAB 11 – E. Ortner
31. Salvum fac populum, WAB 40 – R. Jones
32. Veni creator, WAB 50 – J. Brown
33. Ecce sacerdos, WAB 13 – P. Fiala
34. Virga Jesse, WAB 52 – E. Ortner
35. Iam lucis orto sidere (3. Fassung), WAB 18 – D. Ferguson
36. Ave regina caelorum, WAB 8 – R. Shewan
37. Vier Tantum Ergo (2. Fassung), WAB 41 – P. Fiala
38. Tantum ergo D-Dur (2. Fassung), WAB 42 – E. Ortner
39. Pange lingua (2. Fassung), WAB 31 – J. Brown
40. Vexilla regis, WAB 51 – E. Ortner

--Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:26, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Re:Model

Many thanks! It means a lot to me, especially coming from such a well-respected editor. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 19:05, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

I've been offline for a few days and when I logged back in this evening I found this. Thank you for recognizing my work. I appreciate it. --SkotyWA^T_C 04:33, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

italics

No, Madamina, il catalogo è questo, not Madamina, il catalogo è questo, see examples in WP:NCM#Definitions - italics (...again...). --Francis Schonken (talk) 13:07, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I did it wrong since 2010 then, when we discussed BWV 191, first no italics, changed to italics, which became a model for the later cantatas. - FA reviewers also kept the italics in BWV 172, in 2014. ??? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:17, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Magnificat isn't an easy one. Anyhow, I like it better the way it is done at Magnificat (Schütz) than the way it is done at Magnificat (Pärt).

The general point I'd try to make however is that neither you nor I are native English speakers. We don't have a natural feeling on how it is done from education etc. So we'd need to see a lot, read a lot, compare a lot. Then take into account that even English speakers may differ, even more than is apparent from WP:ENGVAR. And what I do (as I've been active on some naming conventions guidelines) is to try derive some coherent guidance from that.

After I had rewritten the WP:NCM guideline I discovered the War Requiem vs. Missa Brevis difference on the Boosey & Hawkes website. Well, happy that I apparently got it right.

I'm not completely sure about Magnificat/Magnificat. For the last half hour I've been googeling (also google books), and really seems like people who write about these compositions in English don't have a consistent view on this. Of course I'd do Deutsches Magnificat (non-generic) but Magnificat as a separate composition appears both italiced and not italicized. But then I found Missa brevis too. I'd keep to "Magnificat" as a generic composition title (like "Missa brevis") for now, not italicized. --Francis Schonken (talk) 07:58, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for investigating! I like Magnificat better than Magnificat, but my personal liking is not enough of a reason. I read and compared and saw that we have Magnificat, and copied from there. I also remember some rule/guideline (forgot where) to italicise all foreign language terms that are no proper names. I wonder about Italian aria titles being "proper names", and kind of liked tonus peregrinus, separating it visually from the preceding link. Missa brevis (a common term describing a type of compositions), Missa Brevis (a single work), I would say. Magnificat is borderline, because - like Requiem - it's a Latin incipit which became an English term for a type. Can you talk to the Magnificat people? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

(e.c.) An article title that has similar issues is Stabat Mater: here the main article is not italicized (unlike Magnificat). For the compositions, I like it better the way it is done at Stabat Mater (Dvořák) than the way it is done at Stabat Mater (Pergolesi), but with the same caveat: I have no native speaker feeling on this.

Yes, I'd like it to be more uniform across Wikipedia, but don't know whether I can help it much.

Re. Magnificat being a proper name: yes it is a proper name. I read the proper name guidance too (it is here), yesterday, after I had de-italicized tonus peregrinus. That foreign words/proper name guidance seems like the sort of unhelpful vagueness we don't need right now. But true, I was too quick on tonus peregrinus.

I'm not going to challenge Boosey and Hawkes on Britten's Missa Brevis not being italicized.

Don't know whether the "incipit" reasoning is of value here. Might be. I'll try to explore that route.

Magnificat people? --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:27, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Boosey and Hawkes are accustomed to a capital Brevis, even for the type, but I am not going to challenge them ;) (We don't go by what publishers do, anyway, or we would have A Boy was Born.) Magnificat people? Sloppy for the talk of Magnificat. I would like to know why they have it italic because I like consistency. Nunc dimittis? Stabat Mater? Trickier than Magnificat, because you don't recognize it easily in text, being more than one word. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:38, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Incipit reasoning:

• Ave Maria (Schubert) — Ave Maria (Bach/Gounod) (Ave Maria redirects to Hail Mary, not italicized)
• Requiem: apart from the non-generic ones (e.g. An American Requiem), most of them seem non-italicized, but Requiem (Delius) and Requiem (Jón Leifs)

For comparison, encyclicals like Rerum Novarum are named after their incipit too, and italicized.

Nonetheless, I'd have it something like "Composition titles that are incipits and have been put to music by several composers are usually regarded as generic titles, and so not italicized" + some relevant examples in the WP:NCM guideline. What do you think? --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:50, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Would you see Nunc dimittis in that category. It's easy to see (as a title) when linked, but not in text. Can we perhaps distinguish lists, tables, infoboxes - no italics necessary - from text where optional italics might help understanding? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:56, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

From the Nunc Dimittis article: "The Nunc Dimittis is the traditional 'Gospel Canticle' of Night Prayer (Compline), just as Benedictus and Magnificat are the traditional Gospel Canticles of Morning Prayer and Evening Prayer respectively. ..." Seems like the article title is not in line with how it is done in the article itself. I'd do Nunc dimittis (Pärt), not Nunc dimittis (Pärt) like it is now. --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:10, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

The article has strange italics and a strange capitalisation of dimittis ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:16, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

I adjusted the incipt rule:

Composition titles that are incipits and have been put to music by several composers are usually regarded as generic names, and so not italicized, e.g. Stabat Mater (Dvořák), unless the composition belongs to an otherwise defined composition type like cantata, e.g. Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1.

...but here's an angle I hadn't expected:

• Magnificat in D major, BWV 243 (composition type: Magnificat)
• Magnificat in E-flat major, BWV 243a, which I'd change to Magnificat, BWV 243a then (composition type: cantata)

...? --Francis Schonken (talk) 10:27, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Compare:

• Gloria (Vivaldi) → Gloria
• Gloria in excelsis Deo, BWV 191 → cantata

--Francis Schonken (talk) 10:31, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

The two Magnificat by Bach should be handled the same, it's the same music, more or less. It's not a Bach cantata in the sense of liturgical use after the sermon, but a cantata by the definition of what constitutes a cantata. Until yesterday, the piece in D was termed a motet, highly misleading. Let's say "Magnificat" - like Requiem - is almost a composition type itself, unless part of a larger piece, such as a vesper.

Side question: I am never sure if the parts of the mass (Kyrie, Gloria, ...) should be italic. What do you suggest? They are all just one word, recognizable as a title without italics. BWV 191 reminds me that I should link to Bach's Latin more ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:13, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

I looked at Bach's church music in Latin and corrected some and introduced a bit of feeling for the chronology: first ambitious Magnificat, late and unique Mass in B minor. I am not happy with the cantata and the Mass under the (too long) "parts of mass" heading, will look again later but perhaps you have ideas already. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:20, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Re. former missa (Bach) article, yes my conversion to make it fit under the new page title was all but complete. For me too when I've some more time I'd be happy to collaborate, can still be improved further I think. Problems are for instance that the "Sanctus for six vocal parts and elaborate orchestral score for the Christmas service" of 1724, later incorporated in BWV 232, doesn't seem to have a separate BWV number, though the 1724 score has differences with what was added in BWV 232 quarter of a century later.

Kyrie, Gloria, as parts of the Order of Mass: not italicized; as separate compositions (see Vivaldi example above): not capitalized for the incipit exception. --Francis Schonken (talk) 14:33, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

I raised the more general issue here: WT:AT#Italicization of Latin incipits --Francis Schonken (talk) 02:12, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Responded, and added Locus iste, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:56, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Kitten for you!

Sending love to Gerda! Did you see my first FA? :-) Also, since you like humourous Wikipedia, did you get to see this one: Meta:Friends of gays should not be allowed to edit articles. :-) Cheers!

Prhartcom (talk) 23:53, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Good to start the day laughing. (Yesterday was a funeral day.) Lovely FA! I had my first solo also this year. When would you like yours to appear? WP:QAI can help with it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:07, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank goodness for you, Gerda; if it hadn't been for your hint, I wouldn't have known that I am supposed to submit to this TFAR thing (that I just finished) if I want to see my article on the main page. It pays to know smart people. Magnificent FA! Prhartcom (talk) 04:38, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your welcome a few days ago...

Hi Gerda. Thanks for your welcome a few days ago... and for your advice about patience. Yes. Patience is good. Luckily I am patient... with myself as well as with others. (Since I know what a clunk-head I can be, I sympathize when other people are clunk-heads too.) Anyway, I've been moving along with learning how to edit, and I've enjoyed spending time on Wikipedia. DimeBoxFrank (talk) 08:18, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

If you want to catch a glimpse at how I learned patience, look at the talk of Carmen, where I suggested something in June 2013 which was done 15 months later (while I did nothing) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:22, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

[67]

(talk / contribs) 12:52, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Leoš Janáček Composer
Janáček relief, by Julius Pelikán
Born	Leo Eugen Janáček (1854-07-03)3 July 1854 Hukvaldy, Moravia, then part of the Austrian Empire
Died	12 August 1928(1928-08-12) (aged 74) Ostrava, Czech Republic
Notable work	List of compositions
Signature

I helped to compile the article on Janáček, so I'm curious ... and I can accept criticism :) --Vejvančický

The compilation is great, I would criticise just the lead, and it's not your fault, it's the general layout. I think that a reader first should know that the person pictured with a woman is a composer, and about what time, - only then details of pronunciation, alternate names. There's an easy solution, but not liked by Classical music ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:49, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I don't fight the "infobox battle". Honestly, I have no opinion on that. Both ways work for me and for any intelligent person, I believe. When I look at the article it is clear to me in 1 or 2 seconds what it is about, with the infobox or without it. Thanks for your explanation, Gerda. With my best wishes - Antonín Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 14:35, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't fight any battle, but for me a listing with parameters is just easier to grasp. Look at Genghis Khan, - the lead is even more complicated, with Mongolian that doesn't show, but one glance to the right tells me something. I will have to understand why for composers that is not offered for people like me. Those who don't like it could opt out even to see it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:47, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Reversion of my edit to Bach Cantata title "Da(r)zu ist erschienen der Sohn Gottes", BWV 40

Hello Gerda. I'm unclear on why you just reverted my edit to this title, which I explained both in the edit itself and on the talk page. Only wikipedia has this usual spelling. "Darzu" is meaningless, at least in Modern High German. Every other online source I found uses "Dazu". Please explain. Jrgsf 20:41, 25 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrgsf (talk • contribs)

Jrgsf 20:23, 25 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrgsf (talk • contribs)

I explained it in the edit summary and on the article talk page. In addition, you should not change something related to the article name without changing the article name first. You can request to have an article moved to a new name and THEN change, if the request finds consensus. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:11, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

May

Brackett-bot loves you Braxckett.

May

Sogni =Vittorio Matteo Corcos - Dreams , 1896, Galleria Nazionale d’Arte Moderna, Rome

Höfisches Fest in einem Lustgarten

God keep you safe,

God keep you warm

God keep you and

yours from all harm.

May He bless your

kith and kin,

the hearth, the house

and all within.

Thanks for the blessing, bracketbot - no image? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:55, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Gerda, spring its blue band waves around, Frühlingsgefühle im September, how come? Thought you were about my indthusmiasmic article :) Serten (talk) 22:13, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

blue-grey image not on the German Main page yesterday, but article, and bracketbot supplied the image, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Kirche von Horn auf der Höri fehlt noch.

 ;) Yep.DYK. First review, too much climate and ecological history conflicts in the last time. Cheers. Serten (talk) 22:25, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

thanks, will dream now, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:32, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Sitting on your bench, dreaming around, hey, Gerda... Planning the next article ? Hafspajen (talk) 10:34, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

My plans are secret ;) (I can give an infobx only to articles I create - and by create they don't mean a creative process but turning a red link to blue, - if I create a decent article from a one-line stub, that's not create, - therefore I avoid red links). I work on Locus iste. Want to find out if the chapel pictured is the chapel for which it was composed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:13, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Be careful with too much secrete solemnity - our common liking O.J. Bierbaum on Stefan George: „Feierlich sein ist alles! Sei dumm wie ein Thunfisch, temperamentlos wie eine Qualle, stier besessen wie ein narkotisierter Frosch, aber sei feierlich, und du wirst plötzlich Leute um dich sehen, die vor Bewunderung nicht mehr mäh sagen können.“ ;) Serten (talk) 15:05, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

I have to be secret, - not for solemnity but because of my state of shame ;) (which I came to enjoy) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:09, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

fly Gerda fly, Mariam al-Mansouri is up as well to DYK ;) Serten (talk) 15:32, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Gerda, I wouldn't mind having the same kind of infobox like THIS ONE, - same coliur, same size on painting and all of it. But it is in Russian... don't know how to make it English. I specially like the colour of it, it goes perfectly with the painting's own. Hafspajen (talk) 13:32, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Pajemanii pa russki ;) Serten (talk) 14:04, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

You don't decide on the style of an infobox, the template does it. For {{infobox church}} (St. Martin, Idstein) and {{infobox musical artist}}, they work with colours. I like it plain, so go always with {{infobox person}} (Gabriela Eibenová) and often with {{infobox building}} instead. Yours would be {{infobox artwork}}, I think. For some, you can adjust image size. If you don't like a template, go to the template talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:31, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

We have done it together. The Fog Warning. Serten (talk) 09:54, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, master of hobby horse polo ;) - Made my day, which is ice anyway: anniversary of pir performance of the B minor, with a lovely soprano who flew in from Prague, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:42, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Like the ones with the size adjust image. Thanks for the help. Hafspajen (talk) 15:36, 29 September 2014 (UTC).

If you come across one that doesn't have it, ask on the template talk, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:28, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Oh, thanks, Angel. May we add Serten and Xantomxxxxxxprogg (Xanty)? Hafspajen (talk) 19:34, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

You can do it. Just copy the line with DYKmake two times, with their names, and add a comment, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:37, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Re:Precious

Thank you. I really appreciate it. I think that you also are awesome. Tony the Marine (talk) 01:39, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

That means a lot, coming from you, a proud grandfather giving honors! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:25, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Rejection of the Mediation

Dear Gerda,

The Mediation Committee has proposed to reject the Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Rondo in C minor (Bruckner) and Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner), because "Primary opponent has declined mediation" and they recommend "Probably ought to go to lower-level dispute resolution first, after additional discussion on the article talk pages".

As you have seen, it is what I am doing, with long-lasting, strenuous, time-consuming discussions and eventually a not very positive outcome, because of Nikki's stiff-necked attitude.

Nikki has in the meantime drafted a few pages on Bruckner's motets, with, as you have seen, again the same kind of discussions and again a not very positive outcome.

Please let me know what you would propose to come out of this situation unto a kind of gentlemen's agreement. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:29, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

See Montanabw's reaction on Rejection of the Mediation.

Nikki replied in the meantime to Francis Schonken's reaction on Formal mediation has been requested on my talk page. See my proposal, which indeed is focusing on the discography. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:59, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination

Hello! Your submission of Template:Did you know nominations/Locus iste at the Did You Know nominations page is not complete; see step 3 of the nomination procedure. If you do not want to continue with the nomination, tag the nomination page with {{db-g7}}, or ask a DYK admin. Thank you. DYKHousekeepingBot (talk) 16:54, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

A friendly bot, does he use Hobby horses? User:Serten/Hobby Horse Polo needs players ;) Serten (talk) 03:41, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Chi-chi Nwanoku Suggestion

Thanks for recreating that article, [68], I originally created this back in 2010 but someone saw fit to delete it. I don't know if there is something from the original article that could be useful but it couldn't hurt to ask. WCM_email 15:18, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

I filled a red link and have other topics first, but will keep her in mind, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:23, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thank you for your support.

Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:36, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, appreciated! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:39, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Gabriela Eibenová

Thank you from the DYK project and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 12:02, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Mela Tenenbaum

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:03, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Mozart

With my edit summary readding the template ("apologize"), I mean(t) to say that I apologize, not that you should. So rather, "my apologies". Thanks for being on the lookout. Hyacinth (talk) 10:07, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Sure, that's what I understood ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:10, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Thank you, Gerda, you are much much precious than me for your extraordinary dedication to spread awards to unsung Wikipedia hero's. Thank you again, have a nice day. :) Jim Carter 17:27, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Magnificat (Rutter)

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Magnificat (Rutter) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Tim riley -- Tim riley (talk) 19:02, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Tim, - just returned from dress rehearsal ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:42, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Aha! I've beaten the bot to it this time: I've just promoted the article to GA – wholly deserved! Tim riley talk 12:01, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Magnificat (Rutter)

The article Magnificat (Rutter) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Magnificat (Rutter) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Tim riley -- Tim riley (talk) 12:02, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Don't forget to add the two citations to the quotes in the third paragraph of the lead, as mentioned at the GAN review. I'd do it myself, but I have no idea how to make sfn work: I do my own referencing with a hammer and chisel, Stone-Age style. Tim riley talk 17:53, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Look how easy it is: you simply copy the template. If it's a different page of the same book, you add that as an additional parameter. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:15, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

I received instructions here ;) - learned something looking again, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:04, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

For you

	The Musical Award
	To a very musical editor Hafspajen (talk) 18:21, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Im schwarzen Walfisch zu Askalon

Gerda, I wrote my first enWP song entry, would you help me please with the infobox ;) ? Cheers Serten (talk) 22:44, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

I may not add one, but can help. See what you understand of {{infobox song}} and {{infobox musical composition}}, and see what fits better. Move the image name (without prefix) to the appropriate parameter in the box, and the caption to the caption parmeter. Good luck, need sleep. - Can you help with this one (move it), - celebrating Kirchweih today by singing Monteverdi ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:58, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Infobox poem was deleted, and the song one doesnt allwo pics, so you helped me a lot. I didnt get the hint with the move - where to? I would however support a sort of unified infobox scheme whereever you need me.

   Vivant omnes virgines
   Faciles, formosae.
   Vivant et mulieres
   Tenerae, amabiles,
   Bonae, laboriosae.

Serten (talk) 23:19, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Locus iste infobox to Locus iste (Bruckner). Dangerous. I didn't "create" the article, so say the rules, and I may not add an infobox to an article I didn't "create". However, I believe that I created the article, and most Bruckner composition articles have an infobox, - our readers don't object ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:16, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

No problem, it makes sense with that article as well. Serten (talk) 14:28, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for that sense. More (marked red) to be found here. See also ;) - Any idea for Pigs in popular culture? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:52, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Don't drag me to far into that muddy pond. Dem Schweinen ist alles Schwein! I thought I remember a rather saulty italian leftist novel out of my youth with such a title, but I couldnt find it. Such where the days ;) Serten (talk) 15:43, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't drag you at all ;) - thought you would like the title, and the toilet paper orientation. - The pond of infoboxes for compositions and operas is clear, - you can avoid bios, but see, bonus et amabilis. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:40, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

The first time I saw a countertenor, first not believing to hear him, was in Scotland. I wasnt aware of Scholl, great article! My last biography opus magnum is Reiner Grundmann, and I never would write a science bio without an infobox. Serten (talk) 17:48, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Of course not ;) - by avoid bios, I meant bios of our list. Scholl was a long article when I met it, - it improved greatly with the help of friends and one of his harpsichordists, - look at the history which contains one of the edits I love best. - As for GA and infobox, not only are all my good articles graced with an infobox, but five of them were reviewed by users who don't particularly like them, namely Smerus, Dr. Blofeld and Tim riley. - Scholl stood almost next to me as a soloist of Bach's St Matthew Passion, - a lasting inspiration. When he sang He was despised, you would have heard a needle fall. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:00, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

I like our notion about patience ;) Serten (talk) 16:10, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Assessment for Bach cantata

Hello Gerda, would you mind assessing the importance of Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172 for WikiProject Germany on the article's talkpage please? I know little about Bach cantatas, so wouldn't be able to judge their importance within German music and specifically on en-Wiki (I am just looking on some of the more notable or well-developed Germany-related articles, not going to assess 14.000+ stub articles). GermanJoe (talk) 17:27, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Not specifically important, one of many. Christmas oratorio and the Passions would be important, performed by all halfway able church choirs, also Brandenburg Concertos etc. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:33, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Marked as low importance then - thank you. GermanJoe (talk) 17:52, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

dial M for...

Well spotted, it's all part of the plan Mimfmeak - talk to me? 06:36, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

I have my eyes open for Martin, where we celebrated Kirchweih yesterday, not singing Locus iste, but Missa in F and Cantate Domino by Monteverdi ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:42, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Locus iste (Bruckner)

Dear Gerda,

Bruckner's Locus iste is indeed becoming a "good" article. Unfortunately Nikki, who was somewhat calmed down, is again disputing about the Infobox, as a stubborn procedural barrister. Are there any means to let her stop it?

I am for sure willing to expand the discography, etc., but I am no more intended to again lose time with beating with her around the bush.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 08:06, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

I started Ave Maria, instead of arguing ;) - liked to see your name in the comments to the free scores. Please add Selected recordings there as well, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:11, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Dear Gerda,

I think that there should be a separate discography for each of the three settings. The only CD with the three settings is that of Robert Shewan in 1991, but, as you can see on Hans' critical discography, it is absolutely not his first choice and also not my own first choice...

I will first, as I did for the other motets put some comments on the discography in the talk page. ::--Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:04, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

It looks like we should write 3 articles, then. Do you think Ave Maria, WAB 6 (Bruckner) would be a good name, with a redirect from the current? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Changed my mind, suggest to leave the current as THE Ave Maria by Bruckner, but have WAB 5 and 7, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:24, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Now we have Ave Maria, WAB 5 (Bruckner) and Ave Maria, WAB 7 (Bruckner). Please fill the articles, not the talk page ;) - Where should 5 and 7 go in the template? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:05, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Another option: Take example on Bruckner's early Masses. Make a "global" page Ave Maria (Bruckner) with a text, which shortly describes the three setting, and writing also that there are all in F major and with the same peroration on Jesus; and have as for the early Masses 3 linked pages, i.e., Ave Maria, WAB 5 (Bruckner), Ave Maria, WAB 6 (Bruckner) and Ave Maria, WAB 7 (Bruckner). I would then complete the 3 linked pages. I have the full history of each in van Zwol, also the musical score and an own discography. What do you think? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:16, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

PS: The same would occur for Christus factus est. There are also 3 settings: WAB 9 (so-called by Grasberger, actually the gradual of the Messe für den Gründonnerstag), WAB 10 (the least known, for 8-voice choir, 3 trombones and string ad lib. - only two recordings: one fully a cappella by J. Brown [1997] and one "faithful" to the score by R. Luna [2013]), and WAB 11 (the most popular, as WAB 6 for the Ave Maria). For the Libera Me you have two settings: WAB 21 and WAB 22. For the Pange lingua also two settings: WAB 31 and WAB 33, and for Tantum ergo 8 settings: WAB 32 (wrongly called Pange lingua by Grasberger), WAB 41 (1-4), WAB 42, WAB 43 and WAB 44; some of them being in two versions ...

As there is one major Ave Maria, I would leave it as is. Christus factus est will be as good for Good Friday as Locus iste was for our Kirchweih ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Good so. I will thus put the additional info and discography of WAB 6 by the "major" Ave Maria, and that of WAB 5 & 7 by the WAB 5 & 7 pages. Hopefully will our "best" Nikki not interfere! --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 17:46, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Regarding your double revert at Rondo in C minor

I'm a long-time reader. You're edits like on Rondo in C minor make things worse for readers. Readers don't get to choose what goes on a wikipedia page, as you just proved by reverting me. You have all the power. Not good for readers. You never hear from readers like me.

Long-time reader, please sign your posts. I reverted you ONCE. I don't do more than one revert. (You reverted twice.) Please discuss your point of view on the article talk page, where others spoke already. We have something here that is called consensus. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:15, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Sorry! The second time I was it, who reverted the repeated deletion by this anonymous reader, because I found his/her deletion not substantiated (ugly? "deest" not defined?). --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 20:26, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

No need to be sorry, I just wanted to clarify for those who labelled me warrior ;) - I talked to the user, including the link to deest (music), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Beauty Revealed

Thanks for your note. My edits have been reversed and I am engaged in discussion at the talk page about my edits. The discussion might interest you. ____83d40m (talk) 02:06, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, for the note, for discussing, and for picking the iris, - showing exquisite taste. There's an unwritten law on Wikipedia that you may not know: don't change an article shown on the Main page (which went through a review process). There's a written law that you may not know: if your edit is reverted, don't revert again, go and discuss. You did it now ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:59, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Bruckner's Ave Maria settings

Dear Gerda,

I think it would be better to rename the page Ave Maria (Bruckner) to Ave Maria, WAB 6 (Bruckner), instead of the current redirection from Ave Maria, WAB 6 (Bruckner) to Ave Maria (Bruckner). Reason: I have re-categorised Ave Maria, WAB 5 (Bruckner) and Ave Maria, WAB 7 (Bruckner) to Category:Motets by Anton Bruckner. It looks now strange: one Ave Maria without WAB number and two with WAB numbers 5 & 7... --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:45, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Most people do indeed know only the "famous" Ave Maria (WAB 6). Why would you not invert the redirection, i.e., renaming the page Ave Maria (Bruckner) to Ave Maria, WAB 6 (Bruckner), and redirecting Ave Maria (Bruckner) to Ave Maria, WAB 6 (Bruckner), so that the current odd look of Category:Motets by Anton Bruckner be solved? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:30, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

I have redirected it to Ave Maria WAB 6 (Bruckner) (without comma), because it was not possible to rename it to the already existing page Ave Maria, WAB 6 (Bruckner). It is not ideal because WAB 6 is so in italics, and WAB 5 and 7 not and with a comma... If you do not agree, please do not hesitate to revert what I have done. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 17:44, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Why should I. redirects don't hurt ;) - I believe that the shorter name is better, - look a Wagner's stage works, some just name, some (opera), - may he not notice ;) - Ave Maria (Bruckner) looks fine to me, short and sweet covering WAB 6. Who knows WAB (as the IP said, blocked btw.)?

I moved back, also because of use in articles which would get needlessly complicated. If you think there should be an article covering all three, go ahead, write it. I feel that it is enough that they refer to each other in the lead. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:15, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

I agree that what I did was shaky. You will perhaps find me a hairsplitter, but we have three different Ave Maria in Category:Motets by Anton Bruckner, and only one in {{Anton Bruckner}}. The other motets are currently placed in chronological order in {{Anton Bruckner}}. WAB 5 is also called "Ave Maria I", WAB 6 "Ave Maria II", and WAB 7 "Ave Maria III". They are in different styles and were composed in different periods of Bruckner's life: end of the Sankt-Florian period, beginning of the Linz period (end of Sechter's tuition) and the Vienna period (the so-called "mature" period). Would they not have to be also put chronologically in {{Anton Bruckner}}, as, e.g., Ave Maria I, II & III? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 21:42, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

We have only one in the navbox because you did't answer the question where to place them ;) - A piece for voice and organ would not be called a motet in Baroque music. I'll put them there as motets now. We had I, II, III for Bach cantatas also, until we decided to take the catalogue numbers to differentiate. - I am not sure about the chronological order because someone not knowing would have problems to add one, but not with alphabet. We could add years, at least to those with several entries, making the sort more obvious. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:53, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

I will add the dates, so that it will be obvious that it is ordered in chronological order. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 07:39, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Done. People will now understand, e.g., why the Symphony in D minor "0" is placed after Symphony No. 1. While doing so, I have moved Afferentur regi (2nd motet composed after Sechter's tuition) after Ave Maria (1861) (1st motet composed after Sechter's tuition). --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 08:25, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, helpful! What do you think of writing Motets (Bruckner), placing them in context to his life and other works? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:29, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

I could indeed draft something on it. The motets could be placed in the 4 periods of Bruckner's life: youth (till 1845), St-Florian (1845-1856), Linz (after Sechter's tuition, 1861-1872) and Vienna (1873-1896), and so in the context of his "greater" works (Masses, Symphonies). What about the two Aequali WAB 114 and 149 (also placed by the MWV as "smaller religious works")? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 07:46, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

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Bruckner's motets

Dear Gerda,

Here you have the list of the about 40 motets, which Anton Bruckner composed during his life span:

Youth (04-09-1824 - 03-10-1841)

1. Pange lingua C-Dur (WAB 31): 1835-1836 (Hörsching)

Windhaag and Kronstorf (03-10-1841 to 23-09-1845)

1. Libera me (I) F-Dur (WAB 21): c. 1843 (Kronstorf)
2. Litanei (WAB 132): c. 1844 (Kronstorf); lost work
3. Salve Maria (WAB 134): c. 1844 (Kronstorf); lost work
4. Asperges me F-Dur (WAB 4): 1843 or 1844 (Kronstorf)
5. Zwei Asperges me (WAB 3): 1844 or 1845 (Kronstorf)
6. Tantum Ergo D-Dur (WAB 32): 1845 (Kronstorf or already St-Florian?)
7. Tantum Ergo A-Dur (WAB 43): 1845 (Kronstorf or already St-Florian?)
8. Dir, Herr, dir will ich mir ergeben in A-Dur (WAB 12) c. 1845 (Kronstorf or already St-Florian?)

St-Florian (23-09-1845 - 24-12-1855)

1. O du liebes Jesu Kind F-Dur (WAB 145): 1845
2. Herz-Jesu-Lied B-Dur (WAB 144): 1845
3. Vier Tantum Ergo (1. Fassung; WAB 41): 1846
4. Tantum ergo D-Dur (1. Fassung; WAB 42): 1846
5. (Zwei Aequale (WAB 114 & 149): 1847)
6. In jener letzten der Nächte f-Moll (WAB 17): 1848
7. Two Totenlieder (WAB 47 & 48): 1852
8. Libera me (II) f-Moll (WAB 22): 1854
9. Tantum Ergo B-Dur (WAB 44): c. 1854

Linz (24-12-1855 - 01-10-1868)

1. Ave Maria (I) F-Dur (WAB 5): 1856 (as gratitude to St-Florian)
2. Ave Maria (II) F-Dur (WAB 6): 1861 ("celebrating" the end of Sechter's tuition)
3. Afferentur regi F-Dur (WAB 1): 1861
4. Pange lingua, phrygisch (WAB 33): 1868
5. Inveni David f-Moll, 1868 - WAB 19
6. Iam lucis orto sidere (1. Fassung; e-Moll, WAB 18): 1868

Vienna (01-10-1868 -11-10-1896)

1. Locus iste C-Dur (WAB 23): 1869
2. Christus factus est (II) d-Moll (WAB 10): 1873
3. Tota pulchra es, phrygisch (WAB 46): 1878
4. Os Justi, lydisch (WAB 30): 1879
5. Ave Maria (III) F-Dur, WAB 7: 1882
6. Christus factus est (III) d-Moll (WAB 11): 1884
7. Salvum fac populum tuum F-Dur (WAB 40): 1884
8. Veni Creator Spiritus (WAB 50: c. 1884
9. Ecce sacerdos magnus a-Moll (WAB 13): 1885
10. Virga Jesse e-Moll (WAB 52): 1885
11. (Iam lucis orto sidere (2. Fassung; g-Moll, WAB 18): 1886)
12. Ave regina caelorum (WAB 8): 1885-1888
13. (Vier Tantum Ergo (2. Fassung; WAB 41): 1888)
14. (Tantum ergo D-Dur (2. Fassung; WAB 42), 1888)
15. (Pange lingua C-Dur (2. Fassung; WAB 31): 1891)
16. Vexilla regis, phrygisch (WAB 51): 1892

--Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:42, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Dear Gerda,

Before drafting the new page Motets (Bruckner) I have two question for you:

• Do I include the two Aequali? They are stricto sensu not "motets", but they were composed as a kind of absoute for Bruckner's aunt Rosalia Mayrhofer
• I am not intended to consider the 2nd version of the 5 Tantum ergo (WAB 41 & 42), Pange lingua WAB 31 and Iam lucis orto sidere (WAB 18) as separate item (i.e., new motets), but to include it in the short summary I am intended to put with each motet. OK so?

Please let me know. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:44, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

I am traveling, have little time, please just do what you think is good, anybody can improve it, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:44, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

FYI: In the meantime the periods "Youth", "Windhaag and Kronstorf" and "Sankt Florian" are already completed. When the periods "Linz" and "Vienna" will also be completed, I will upload it into page Motets (Bruckner). --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:44, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Good news! Discography wanted for Ave Maria ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:48, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Page Motets (Bruckner) just created. Please do not hesitate to improve it.

Tomorrow and the days after I will complete the discography of the motets, for which a page is already created. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 20:22, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Very helpful to have the position of the motets in the context of his development and the other compositions. Try to link only once, and have translations to titles without an article. Should we try to get Tantum Ergo moved to Tantum ergo? (And the others.) - Never heard of Passion Sunday and absoute, learning ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:54, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I have tried to get "Tantum Ergo" moved to "Tantum ergo". I could not, because apparently only an administrator is allowed to do it. I will add a translation of the "orphan" names. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 08:00, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Translations of the "orphan" names and a few minor corrections added. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:43, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Hint

See edit summary of [69] --Francis Schonken (talk) 21:53, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Who is going to find that? See for example the other other case, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Description is back at BWV 243a. All the "Bärenreiter D-dur score" references have been removed though (wasn't even clear which of the many publications of the score by Bärenreiter the page numbers referred to). I left two publicly available D-dur sources listed in the BWV 243a article (Autograph, and Schering 1924). Plus the Novello 2000 and Dürr 1955 info, applying to both the D major and the Eb major versions. I suppose these should suffice for giving references for all what is different between the two versions in the description. See first two sentences of the BWV 243a#1 description of how this could work. There's an OR template up, until all this has been sorted out in the description.

Re. D major infobox. Why not? There's no discussion at Talk:Magnificat in D major, BWV 243, and I couldn't find anything in the edit history of the article showing anyone opposed an infobox. Anyhow, the description content is now transcluded in the BWV 243 article, so (not to spite you or whatever, just a practical solution) when the description is improved in 243a, the improved movement content automatically also appears in 243. Keep this in mind though when editing the 243a description of the communal 12 movements: if it doesn't apply to both versions either 243 or 243a needs to be mentioned explicitly, + appropriate references to sources listed in both articles. --Francis Schonken (talk) 10:50, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

FYI, the official way to address the "acknowledgement of authorship" issue *is* "split" templates on the talk pages. They are put there, and stay there after the split has been resolved. See Wikipedia:Splitting#How to properly split an article, step 8. See also my explanations at Talk:Rondo in C minor (Bruckner)#Merging, point two of my first contribution to that section. --Francis Schonken (talk) 07:56, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Learning, thank you. (I am sorry that I had missed your response above, - it happens when I get more than one message.) I think to say that the information was "split" from D to E-flat (that's what I read) is misleading, but I stop caring about it, going to write CPE's, finally. Thank you for the question on the Magnificat in D! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:04, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

A new one

You see, when I wrote this article, I put a box in it in your honor, thinking of you... Niagara Falls, from the American Side. Hafspajen (talk) 13:06, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

• As well Hobby Horse Polo is on the hunt! Infobox included, either gallop or be sherried. Hope I get some fotos, so far no paintings found Serten (talk) 15:13, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

'Do you play? Hafspajen (talk) 22:02, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Not yet, but its not the first time I started a club doing funny things ;) Serten (talk) 23:17, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you ;) - Hobby horse polo? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:25, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of St John Passion structure

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Your GA nomination of St John Passion structure

The article St John Passion structure you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:St John Passion structure for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jonas Vinther -- Jonas Vinther (talk) 17:22, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Lieber, Gerda, I left some messages for you on Talk:St John Passion structure/GA1 that I would like your comments on. Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 20:09, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for looking at the spring article I almost forgot. I have no time now nor the next days, but hope to get to it during the week. In the recent Magnificat, it helped to cite the score. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:10, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Jonas, we have a misunderstanding. You gave me seven days, I said (during in trip) that I had no time for the next few DAYS. I have no idea why you understood WEEKS. Please give me those seven days before failing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:28, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

My mistake. I will give you the seven days. Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 23:10, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

It's done, I have placed it on hold. Best of luck freund. Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 23:12, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Freund, but what now that you retired? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:31, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Martin Lücker

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Nice! Funny but I know who he is and am familiar with him for some reason. Started Martin Stephani, can you link with German wiki and proof/expand? Das wäre wunderbar, danke!♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:12, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Whatever happened to the old Gerda? The old Gerda would have expanded it and given me three new red links :-)♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:09, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

See above, vacation ;) - Before I can expand that I have to reference the St John Passion structure and the D major Magnificat, get Locus iste to GA standard (I nominated on our Kirchweih date before it was ready, then it was fully protected). I have a new article in mind for tomorrow but will not supply a red link, to not have the Locus iste struggle again ;) - If you want to fill red links, there are enough for a while in the Bach cantatas, singers but also hymn writers, hymns and places. You could also translate more for Katharinenkirche, Oppenheim, where we sang Locus iste on Saturday, and Bruckner's E minor Mass will be performed by the Kammerchor Stuttgart (not for me, more vacation, for most of October), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

ps: + updating the cantatas for next Sunday, and see RIP on my user page, for Erhard Egidi, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Sorry to hear about Erhard Egidi :-(♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:48, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I thought of him when I writing my DYK #500 with passion, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:40, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of St John Passion structure

The article St John Passion structure you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:St John Passion structure for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jonas Vinther -- Jonas Vinther (talk) 16:43, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Trostsherry to be taken at Yngvadottirs ;) Serten (talk) 20:34, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Selected discography for Bruckner's motets

Deae Gerda,

I have put a section "selected discography" in Ave Maria (Bruckner).

Since the page Locus iste (Bruckner) was no more protected and there was no opposition to my proposal for a "selected discography", I have done the same for it too. Would I perhaps add the first recording to the discography of the Ave Maria (Bruckner) too?

I will now review the pages on the other motets, update their content and improve their selected discography accordingly.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:46, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, please, Ave Maria. I just started Matthew Best, - many links! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

First recording (before 1925) added to Bruckner's Ave Maria. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 20:18, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Matthew Best (conductor)

Dear Gerda,

Matthew Best with the Corydon Singers and Orchestra is one of the better performers of Bruckner's religious music. His CDs with performances of Bruckner's Requiem, Mass No. 2 (1882 version), and Psalms 114 and 112 are as yet possibly the nec plus ultra. His performances of Masses Nos. 1 and 3, Aequali, Libera me (II), Te Deum and Psalm 150 are also among the better ones, as well his CD devoted to Bruckner's motets.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:12, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Feel free to add that to the article ;) - No edit conflicts, I have a few other topics first, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Before you replied, I had already add the same to the talk page. I will see tomorrow how I can incorporate it into the article-self. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 20:15, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

I have done it. 'FYI: I have his 4 CDs with the larger works, but not that of 1982 earlier with motets. At that time I was not yet a "collector" and I had already the motets Jochum (1965) and Flämig (1985). --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:34, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Locus iste (Bruckner)

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Locus iste (Bruckner) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jonas Vinther -- Jonas Vinther (talk) 23:42, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Question: "Patrolled"

I read a message that said my newly set-up user page was "patrolled" by you. What does this mean, please? Goblinshark17 (talk) 12:42, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

PS. RE: Carmen Reppel, Didn't she play Friea in DAS RHEINGOLD on the Boulez video? If yes, there's a shot of Matti Salminen (Fasolt)'s rubber prop-hand grabbing her **ahem** intimate part as he demands to take her away as payment for building Walhall.

PPS. Since you like Bach's choral works, I VERY strongly recommend the recording of the CHRISTMAS ORATORIO, conducted by Karl Richter, with soloists Fritz Wunderlich, Gundula Janowitz, Christa Ludwig, and Franz Crass. The best Bach choral work, and the best Bach soloists, I have ever heard, and I've heard (and sung) a good deal of Bach. Goblinshark17 (talk) 12:45, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Question: as you are not yet autopatrolled, every page you create needs a stamp that it is not harmful ;) - the bot doesn't know it's your user page. (I liked it red.) - PS: Do you have a link to the image of Freia, like this? - PPS: one of my conductors sang with Richter but not as early as 1965. We will sing the Missa 1733 (as he calls it) somewhat that style, next year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:37, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

No, sorry, I have no links to the Boulez RHEINGOLD images; I don't even have it on DVD but on an old VHS tape.

Image of Thomaskirche interior 1880

Hi Gerda—I was looking at this article, which displays the pic in question. The description of the file says, inter alia: "The organ loft is on the left." There's currently an organ there (newish), but the organ loft proper I'd always understood as being above the stand-point of the pic (see Wolff's book). Is the description misleading? Tony (talk) 14:35, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

There were two organs, and Mathsci knew all about it, sigh. I don't, sorry. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:48, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Then I'll make the description a little more detailed. Tony (talk) 01:18, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Locus iste (Bruckner)

The article Locus iste (Bruckner) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Locus iste (Bruckner) for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jonas Vinther -- Jonas Vinther (talk) 14:42, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Gerda,

I respect your opinion (of course). After reading some of the discussion at Jimbo's talk page, and before forming an opinion I had a closer look at Eric's talk page. I found his exchange with Cullen at the end of the "October 2014" section rather telling. Makes it logical to back up Jimbo on this one (for me at least). --Francis Schonken (talk) 16:44, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Still a (not unimportant!) detail: as you may know many years ago I contributed to the Wikipedia:Argumentum ad Jimbonem essay, particularily its section on Misquoting. On my page you said

A "leader" who speaks of "toxic personalities", meaning people, any people ...

(bolding added) — I don't know who you're talking about. Jimbo spoke about

... toxic behavior ...

AFAIK. It is the difference between commenting on the edit and commenting on the person. Please don't misquote Jimbo on my talk page, alternatively, show me where he talked about toxic personalities. --Francis Schonken (talk) 06:16, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

On the London convention. Search his talk archives a little deeper, perhaps look for my name. I can't help you, nor anybody else, today, - off to travel. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:53, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Don't worry, have a nice convention. I'm not losing my sleep over this. --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:36, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Here it is (5 years ago!) "This all seems sadly unbecoming to me, and a direct consequence of our having been too tolerant, for too long, of toxic personalities."

Retracted a few hours later "You are right that it would have been more gentle to talk about toxic "behaviors" rather than "personalities""

Didn't see Jimbo repeat the error.

Makes what you wrote on my talk page no less Misquoting (Wikipedia:Argumentum ad Jimbonem#Misquoting) anyhow, i.e. quoting out of context for an error that was corrected 5 years ago. --Francis Schonken (talk) 10:47, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, in the rush I was not clear. Jimbo Wales spoke on the London convention 2014 (I am in Santiago de Compostela), as public as can be. The transcript is in his talk page archive, so seems to be correct. - Civility??? -Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:18, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Francis, when I learned about the phrase, I saw a good example how to identify with the victims and followed it, appreciated that Nikkimaria told us that it wasn't the first time (and the victim was also a person I highly respect). I said that "this user learned that the flowers of kindness, generosity, forgiveness and compassion do not grow well on a soil of people thinking of other people as toxic personalities. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

@Francis Schonken: A picture is worth a thousand words… This is Jimmy Wales giving a speech a couple of months ago, still prominently using the phrase "incredibly toxic personalities" in his presentation to refer to people who disagree with him. As per the links Gerda has given you above, "incredibly toxic personality" has long been his insult of choice, and he has a long history of lashing out at people to whom he takes a dislike (which led to the Arbcom case from hell, and Jimmy's jump-before-being-pushed "permanent abdication of the use of the blocking tool"). Ironically, he continues to serve on the board of Civilination. – iridescent 09:55, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Locus iste (Bruckner)

The article Locus iste (Bruckner) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Locus iste (Bruckner) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jonas Vinther -- Jonas Vinther (talk) 20:42, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Beste Gerda,

With patience and perseverance we have obtained what we hoped, i.e., a good article with infobox and selected, critical discography.

It makes me want to go further with the other motets, already drafted or not... I guess you too?

Beste Grüße, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 21:28, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Translation, mine .. correct?

Die Darstellung des Kardinals im Bild entspricht der Beschreibung in einem Vertrag des Malers Pierre Spicre mit dem Stift der Kirche Notre-Dame in Beaune aus dem Jahr 1474, in dem dieser mit Entwürfen für Wandteppiche in der Kirche beauftragt wird: "es soll auch gemacht werden mein Herr der Kardinal betend, mit geschlossenen Händen, sein Kardinalshut neben ihm und sein Hündchen vor ihm, wie es ist auf dem Bild in der Kapelle St. Ligier in Beaune, das der genannte Meister gemacht hat." Offenbar diente Pierre Spicres Bild in der St. Ligier-Kapelle dem Meister von Moulins als Vorbild.

The painting called presentation of the Cardinal is depicting in The image theme corresponds to the description in a contract of the painter that Pierre Spicre wrote i found the church Notre-Dame in Beaune in 1474, in which the painter is entrusted with the designs for tapestries in the Church: "it should be made my Lord the Cardinal praying with closed hands, his cardinal's hat beside him and his dog in front of him, as it is in the picture in the chapel of St. Ligier in Beaune, which has made ​​the said Master. " Apparently Pierre Spicres was the model of the image in the St. Ligier Chapel Master of Moulins

Hafspajen (talk) 13:48, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

The presentation of the cardinal matches the description in a contract of the painter PS with the convent of the church ND in B from 1474 where he is commissioned to design for tapestries in for the church: " ... little dog ... which the named master has made." Apparently PS's picture in St.L served as a model for the Master of Moulins. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:00, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Discography of Bruckner's motets

I have updated the Selected discography of Ecce sacerdos magnus, Afferentur regi and Tota pulchra es, and created that for Ave Maria WAB 5 and Ave Maria WAB 7. I will do the same too for Virga Jesse and Vexilla regis. Thereafter I will put flesh to Ave Maria WAB 5 and Ave Maria WAB 7.--Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:17, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Great! For Bach's cantatas, I went by the liturgical year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:20, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Update of the Selected discography of Virga Jesse and Vexilla regis done. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:48, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Ave Maria WAB 5 & WAB 7

Bruckner's Ave Maria WAB 5 & WAB 7 are much less popular than his "famous" Ave Maria WAB 6.

Nearly every week there are, as for Locus iste, one or more new recordings of Ave Maria WAB 6 on YouTube. On the contrary there are only a total of 3 or 4 recordings of each of the two other settings on YouTube. If you want to listen to them

• see for Ave Maria WAB 5 Ave Maria WAB 5 by Fernando Rubio Rodríguez (2008).
• see for Ave Maria WAB 7 Ave Maria WAB 7 by contralto Ewa Mikulska (2011).

Enjoy! --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:56, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

I have already added some what to Ave Maria, WAB 5 (Bruckner). Plase have a look on it. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:21, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Kiko (2007)

I'm curious why this revert was done to the Tropical Storm Kiko (2007) article. It is generally accepted that the year is included in a date, the first time a date appears in a section. That is done to assist our readers. If a reader excerpts a section of the article and no year appears in the date, it is difficult (impossible?) to determine when the event occurred. Some may argue that the year is in the article title, or in the intro/lead; however, not all readers look at the intro/lead, and often read just a portion of the article. Would you please reconsider the revert. Cheers. Truthanado (talk) 00:02, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

You are right, for most articles, but here the first mentioning of the year is given in the article title. The article was made a featured article like this. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:15, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Here's an example of what I am referring to:

"On October 18, a tropical storm warning was issued along the Mexican coastline from Zihuatanejo, Guerrero to Manzanillo, Colima, and a tropical storm watch extended northward to La Fortuna, Mexico, as Kiko was forecast to make landfall in that region on October 21. Above-normal tides and dangerous waves were expected along the coast."

That is the introductory sentence in the Preparations and impact section. If that's all a person reads, how do they know what year it was? Adding the year to the date certainly assists the reader ... and isn't that our goal as an encyclopedia, to assist our readers and help them understand what they are reading? Also, are you inferring that featured articles should not be edited? Any article can always be improved upon. Cheers. Truthanado (talk) 13:30, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Mostafa Salameh

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:58, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Finally:) DYK with less red tape - comments invited ;) Serten (talk) 07:43, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Ave Maria, WAB 7 (Bruckner)

Beste Gerda,

I have expanded the introduction, and added a section "Settings". Have you a better idea for a picture to be inserted in the infobox?

Beste Grüße, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:02, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Annunciation. Off to dinner, Salamanca, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:02, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I have put the Annunciation by Rogier van der Weyden.

I will later expand the pages of the other motets (originally drafted by Nikki).

Have you enjoyed you dinner? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:58, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Very much so, overlooking the cathedral, drank too much, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:21, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Gough Whitlam at TFAR

Hi Gerda, you (and your talk page stalkers) may be interested in a thread I've started about Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests#Gough_Whitlam, where possibilities for marking the death (aged 98) of this former prime minister of Australia include re-running a TFA. I'm interested in getting lots of views so I'll be leaving this note on various pages (and apologies, TPS-ers, if your talk page is not one of them!) Thanks, Bencherlite^Talk 08:47, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Bruckner's moetes - External review

Beste Gerda,

Hans Roelofs has reviewed Motets (Bruckner). He found a few typos and had a few comments. I have implemented it in a few minutes.

He has also reviewed Locus iste (Bruckner). He found a few typos and had a few comments. For two of them I need your input:

• Bij “framing the second and third” heb ik even moeten nadenken wat je precies bedoelde; het klopt, maar voor iemand die het motet (nog) niet zo goed kent kan dat onduidelijk zijn.
• “Oratorio Society of New York”: de zin is onlogisch. Je bedoelt dat dit in het programmaboekje bij hun uitvoering staat; de auteur van de tekst wordt in het programmaboekje niet aangegeven. Ik zou er iets van maken in de trant van: “De auteur van het programmaboekje van de Oratorio Society of New York wijst er op dat ... etc.”

Beste Grüße, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 21:25, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

I would think the first is clear, the second was not my idea - I don't believe in program books too much - but I kept it for politeness. Feel free to change. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:13, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

The first is clear, if you realise that "the first line" is Locus iste ... is A, and "the second" inaestimabile ... and the third irreprehensibilis ... are together B. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:50, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I think the sentence says that. The text of three lines is just above, I assume the general reader can count to three without adding numbers or repeating the text. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:53, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

It is also OK for me (it was a comment of Hans, not of myself). The second comment is concerning an input of Nikki. I will see how I can amend it without hurting her. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 17:18, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Your restoration of Giano's comment at User talk:Jimbo Wales

Is there any reason at all why you think this removal is not justified? I'm not going to keep attempting to remove it, but I do intend to file a complaint if you can't give me any reason why such a comment, which as anyone can see, is only being placed to mock Mr Wales and elicit some kind of reaction, which is the very definition of trolling, should be left intact. As you may or may not know, according to Giano himself, Mr Wales considers him to be a troll, so I don't think there is any reason to think Mr Wales would object to this removal in any way. Patrol forty (talk) 14:53, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Assume good faith. I didn't see mocking. I guess Mr. Wales is old enough to take care of his talk himself. Please note that I didn't revert your removal the first time, nor would I, again. I try to strictly follow 1RR. How about you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:48, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I am assuming good faith. That's why I came here asking you to explain your action - if I didn't think there was the possibility of an innocent explanation, I wouldn't be asking. But I'm not seeing an explanation here at all. If you don't see the mocking, then I'd like to know, based on the facts at hand, whether you really believe Giano is an admirer of Mr Wales' insight and perception? Or whether you really believe he thinks Mr Wales is a modest person? Or whether Giano really appreciates and respects him? To an outside observer, the answer to those questions is obviously no - therefore the only purpose of the comments were to troll Mr Wales. Which is presumably why Mr Wales thinks Giano is a troll, and has done apparently for a very long time. I have no doubt Mr Wales is old enough to look after himself, but it obviously does not follow from that, that obvious trolling on his talk page should be tolerated, let alone restored when others try to remove it. I don't know why you not reverting more than once is relevant either - if you thought you could justify the first restoration, then why would you feel that repeating the action is not justified? Putting yourself under such a restriction would be appear to be an entirely artificial device. That said, the issue is moot now - thanks to you, the trolling has remained in place, and according to an administrator, the 'grown up' thing to do is ignore it. Which is obviously wrong, but the fact that they are an administrator and would presumably block me if I protested that obvious fallacy, is probably part of the governance failures Mr Wales is complaining about. Patrol forty (talk) 15:57, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

What qualifications do you have in mind reading Patrol forty? Eric Corbett 16:45, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

What gave you the impression I was reading anyone's mind? Patrol forty (talk) 17:27, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

What you wrote gave me that impression, what else? "... I'd like to know, based on the facts at hand, whether you really believe Giano is an admirer of Mr Wales' insight and perception? Or whether you really believe he thinks Mr Wales is a modest person? Or whether Giano really appreciates and respects him? To an outside observer, the answer to those questions is obviously no". Here you're even second-guessing Gerda's mind-reading abilities. Eric Corbett 17:33, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm not following you at all. Please be specific. Who needs to read whose mind, for Gerda to be able to answer these few simple questions? Patrol forty (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:06, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Try engaging brain. Eric Corbett 19:52, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Eric, my brain is engaged all the time. Even when I sleep. Patrol forty (talk) 19:39, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Then I feel sorry for you, as it's clearly malfunctioning. Eric Corbett 19:46, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

It's working perfectly. Test me if you want. Stick to questions that makes sense though, obviously. Patrol forty (talk) 20:34, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Be careful, Eric, be very careful ;) - (This is a close paraphrase from Anna Russell, "Weiche, Wotan, weiche", which means: Be careful ... She then bears him eight daughters.") - To the forceful patrol: it took me years to learn what "troll" means. I am with Giano and other victims, did you know? You seem not to know what AGF means, please try harder. - I am still on vacation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:03, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

For me, AGF has always meant "switch off brain". Eric Corbett 20:17, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Gerda, as I had made clear already, I know exactly what assume good faith means (both the common sense definition and the Wikipedia WP:AGF definition). I don't know what "I am with Giano and other victims" means in this context. Are you saying you restored the trolling because you support the trolls? Was it your intent to troll Mr Wales too? Are you trying to mock him, as Giano did? While I was aware you are German before I posted here, I had presumed, given your use of advanced English elsewhere, that a language barrier wouldn't be an issue here. Was I wrong? Do you actually understand what Giano was actually doing with that post? Or have you merely read the words and taken them literally? I want to be clear here - do you or do you not understand that Giano was not praising Mr Wales? That is the whole point of a troll, to make a sarcastic point such as 'I respect you so much' when they clearly don't, simply to mock the other person. AGF is not an answer to these questions (because I don't yet have the good faith explanation from you for restoring the trolling). Patrol forty (talk) 19:39, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Ah, that newbie Patrol forty....♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:51, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

He's certainly doing splendid PR and damage-limitation work for Mr Wales. Quite professional. --Epipelagic (talk) 20:17, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Here Patrol forty! Have a handful on me.

Why is anyone wasting their time talking to this poor unfortunate. He even had to ping his hero in the title of this thread (which is more than he did me); perhaps he hopes he'll be thrown a discarded royal peanut. The sad thing is that by the time this thread is archived, he'll be blocked, gone and long forgotten. Giano (talk) 21:28, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

I moved your peanuts to the right for now, remembering the peanuts further up ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:42, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Quite. My only interest here is to find out why Gerda restored your trolling. Why anyone else felt the need to get involved here (including you) is lost on me. Gerda can refuse to answer if she wants, but she can't then ask people to assume good faith about what she meant by restoring your trolling - something she did without any explanation whatsoever, except "restore". Patrol forty (talk) 22:01, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

• I really find it quite extraordinary that whenever Mr Wales is payed a compliment, even his most loyal supporters can't believe its genuine. Now it looks to me like you are the on trolling here; it's clear that Gerda doesn't feel inclined to talk to you in any depth, so why not buzz of and write a page or create yet another sock or something? Giano (talk) 19:00, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Giano, you worded that exquisitely, about the compliment. - You seem not to know - as I thought everybody did - that the self-ordained police was blocked, by now without talk page access. - I could archive this now, but like the visitors and the peanuts ;) - I friend died, American but lived our village, sad. What are trolls compared to loss of people? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:13, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

No, I have been busy all day and only just looged on. That is very sad about your friend, real life is always exactly that 'real' and far more important than all the silliness here. What a sad day for you. Giano (talk) 19:24, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

The last one - in case you missed that - died in September, - sad to change an article from living=yes to no, especially if you knew the person. He was a conductor at St. Lamberti, remember working on the church together? Now mentioned on my user page. I would eventually like to expand St. Valentinus, Kiedrich, look at the German, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:39, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks, Gerda. I've been off Wikipedia for a few months after some excruciatingly frustrating experiences with a bunch of trollish Wikipedians, including an admin who says it's OK for another editor, perhaps his buddy, to curse at me and presumably at other editors. Your kind note hat acknowledges the tens of thousands of good edits that I, as a professional journalist, have made helps restore my faith in this project, even if just a little. With thanks and regards, Tenebrae (talk) 16:43, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

gimme

Want Infobox! CaN YOU HELP? for David Friedrich ?Hafspajen (talk) 20:57, 22 October 2014 (UTC) It is for the new article from today - Cairn in Snow. Hafspajen (talk) 20:58, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Sure, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:41, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

AAh!! Thanks! How do you think it looks? Cairn in Snow. Hafspajen (talk) 11:16, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Exquisite! Removed here, then I don't have to say noitalic. Going to sing Magnificat again tomorrow! What do think of the List of stutterers? On the Main page, to the author's delight. I helped with one of the articles, and reviewed another for DYK, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the italics. Libera me Senor, libera me a tu pueblo, ... Hafspajen (talk) 19:53, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

I thought of a possibility to improve the infobox situation

musée des allumette, le Jönköping

See Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment#Amendment request: Infoboxes --Francis Schonken (talk) 21:50, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Francy, don't be bad now. I know about it, but if I wan't that she could tell me how, that is not forbidden... AND - more important - might help translate that German article, she is great at that, you know! Hafspajen (talk) 22:04, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Ah, wait a second, you want them to change that? Hafspajen (talk) 22:07, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I too have thought about how we can improve an info box...[70] Cassianto^talk 22:08, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks all, but I love my restrictions, as I like Kafka ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:29, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Bilihildis

Hi Gerda, I wonder if you might have time to look over this nomination. All the sources save one are in German; we're not sure about neutrality and close paraphrasing. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 20:10, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Virga Jesse, Vexilla regis and Ecce sacerdos magnus

Beste Gerda,

I have updated the pages Virga Jesse (Bruckner), Vexilla regis (Bruckner) and Ecce sacerdos magnus (Bruckner). Please have a look on them.

Beste Grüße, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:49, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Next candidates

Beste Gerda,

The next popular motets, which I see as candidates for a Wiki-page are:

• Libera me (II) WAB 22 (1854): about 20 recordings
• Pange lingua (Phrygisch) WAB 22 (1868): about 30 recordings
• Os justi (Lydisch) WAB 30 (1879): about 120 recordings (of which only 2 with the Inveni David WAB 20)
• Christus factus est (III) WAB 11 (1884): about 100 recordings

Your thought about it? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:53, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

The following candidates (with about 10 recordings) could be:

• O du liebes Jesu-Kind WAB 145 (1845)
• Vier Tantum Ergo WAB 41 (1846/1888)
• Tantum ergo D-Dur WAB 42 (1846/1888)
• In jener letzten der Nächte WAB 17 (1848)
• Inveni David WAB 19 (1868)

The other motets have less than 10 recordings, sometimes only one or two, even none. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:16, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

I have drafted Christus factus est, WAB 11 (Bruckner). I will complete the section Setting later. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 18:33, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! How was it composed in May for Maundy Thursday which can't be in May? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

You are right! It was not composed for Maundy Thursday, but it is using the text of the gradual of Maundy Thursday. I will correct it. Errare humanum est!

In the meantime I have also drafted Christus factus est, WAB 10 (Bruckner). I have the two recordings of it. Luna is very much better. In the booklet of his CD Luna makes a detailed description of the work. I will use it for the section Setting. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 20:42, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Christus factus est, WAB 10 (Bruckner) is completed (with text and translation). As Luna writes, "this motet is certainly one of Anton Bruckner's most important and original". I find it a pity that this dramatic work is so little performed and recorded.
Question: Should I repeat the text when completing Christus factus est, WAB 11 (Bruckner)? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:22, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

How about an article Christus factus est? Repeat the text if you refer to it specifically, it's short and probably better for the reader not to have go back and forth between articles, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:05, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

There is an article Christus factus est in the German Wikipedia, in which there was an error in the description of each of the 3 Bruckner's compositions! I have corrected them, and add the ref to MWV. I could indeed write something similar for the English Wikipedia. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:10, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Page Christus factus est drafted.--Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:39, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Seen and ce, thank you! Let me understand why Gregorian Gradual. Isn't it gradual first, and Gregorian already the first musical setting? I may be wrong, would really like to know more about the propers of the mass. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:42, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

See e.g., Christus factus est, gradual in mode 5 (Liber Usualis, No 655), on YouTube --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:15, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for The Fog Warning

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:02, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Halloween cheer!

Happy Halloween!

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Hello Gerda Arendt:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!

Send Halloween cheer by adding {{subst:Happy Halloween}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

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2. Hafspajen (talk) 13:52, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
3. Jim Carter 18:38, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! It helps me over a tricky day!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:09, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Auguste van Biene

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:04, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Idstein Castle

Hi Gerda - many thanks for your work on Schloss Idstein. Good teamwork! --Bermicourt (talk) 15:53, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Nominated my hometown's castle for DYK, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:13, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Review of Idstein Castle

Hello! Your submission of Idstein Castle at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Jwrosenzweig (talk) 18:32, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Michael Pospíšil

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 12:03, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Vorschlag

Hi Gerda. I happened across the Güstrower Dom article on German WP and thought, this might be a good one for Gerda to render in English. Interesting side-story re Ernst Barlach's Der Schwebende, mentioned here. Just a suggestion, in case you're looking for a topic. Sca (talk) 13:51, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Good suggestion. Instead of writing on the topics I have in mind I get distracted by an article by me getting redirected 4 times, then made a draft, after 1 1/2 years in Main space ;) - another kafkaesque story, laugh or weep, I better laugh. On November 16, we'll sing a concert including Flow my tears (sung by soloist). - Remind me of Güstrow next year ;)

BWV 233-236, and a warning

Re. [71] — I'm getting a mixed signal here: at Talk:Bach's church music in Latin#BWV 233-236 you ask to postpone the discussion to later (you asked that yesterday), but you seem to have plenty of time for a series of edits you have no time to discuss now. Please let's look at these four masses (BWV 233, 234, 235, 236) together, not separately, and discuss at Talk:Bach's church music in Latin#BWV 233-236 before going one way for one of these and another for the others.

For good order: [72] was a breach of the 3.2 remedy of the infoboxes ArbCom case. Just tought to make the warning official, in case it might end up at WP:AE the next time something like this happens. --Francis Schonken (talk) 06:35, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

I am with you to keep the four short masses together in your article. If others think differently, please address them, not me. - I didn't say I had no time. I said I had other priorities which I changed. - Arbitration and infoboxes - a waste of time. - Locus iste - I listen to three minutes of an expression of holiness in the most simple and beautiful way. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:46, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Locus iste (Bruckner)

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:03, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Bruckner's motets (update)

Dear Gerda,

I have begun to update the pages on Bruckner's motets, which have been drafted by Nikki. In Afferentur regi I have completed the history, added the text and described the score more in detail. I will do the same for the other drafted pages. In this context van Zwol is an excellent reference for the history of all 40 motets, and Auer for the description of the score of 18 of them.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:35, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
PS: I have added a few data to the section "Music" of Ave Maria (Bruckner). --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:19, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Good! Any one of them good for a DYK? (needs 1500 char of prose, and not older than a week) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:00, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

I have two candidates for a DYK: Christus factus est, WAB 10 (Bruckner) and Christus factus est, WAB 11 (Bruckner), both I have started on 25-10-2014. Please proceed. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:35, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

10 first, source for the scoring please, and for "besser ohne Violinen", right behind the sentence. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:13, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Scoring sourced (van Zwol & MWV), sentence with "besser ohne Violinen" placed after that of Berberich's first edition. OK so? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 18:43, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

nom on talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:57, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Magnificat in E-flat major, BWV 243a

Hello! Your submission of Magnificat in E-flat major, BWV 243a at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 21:38, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Halloween 2014 Limited Edition Barnstar
		For your dedicated work on this year's Halloween on Wikipedia at DYK. Well done. ≈ Victuallers (talk) 11:50, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for polishing the 2! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:46, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Belinda Nash

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:02, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Idstein Castle

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:04, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Forumshop warning

Please take a look at WP:FORUMSHOP, where you crossed a line in Bach-related articles (Bach's church music in Latin/Mass for the Dresden court (Bach) - see [73] where the action became apparent to those not invited to the alternative forum). Again, for good order, so it doesn't happen again. --Francis Schonken (talk) 13:27, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

"Hubble bubble toil and toffee" (the noo)

Nos Calan Gaeaf Hapus!

Hello Lady Gerda Macbeth:
Thanks for your all of your melodious edits here at Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!
    – As you stoke up your steaming wiki-cauldron, please help yourself to some tasty plot toffee, Tom Trot, claggum or clack ….. or else how about some cinder toffee, hokey pokey, puff candy or seafoam??! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:51, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! (Difficult day for me, Reformation Day and 'tis the season, you help!) teh witch --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:27, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Have a drink on me, Gerda! (Dem Trinker kommt der Durst).Martinevans123 (talk) 19:42, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Lovely and traditional! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:45, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Dresdner Amen or Gral Motiv?

Dear Gerda,

The Grail motif of Parsifal is ending with a Dresdner Amen. I had already cited the two occurrences of the Dresdner Amen in the motet, but not that it was a consequence of the attendance to Wagner's Parsifal. Bruckner used the Dresdner Amen also in two subsequent motets (Virga Jesse and Vexilla regis) and the adagio of the ninth symphony.

Thank you again for your appreciated help! --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 17:58, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

I confess that I didn't know that it is not "or" but connected. Perhaps clarify in the article. I found the Bruckner site when I looked for refs for the dates and thought that it supports some facts nicely. I bet that the book is more profound but the other more accessible to online readers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:04, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

van Zwol writes on p. 707: "Opvallend is de bij Bruckner vaker aan te treffen en hier tweemaal voorkomende 'theologische bekrachtiging', in de maten 23-24 (...) en 37-38 (...), afkomstig uit het Dresdner Amen en ook bekend van Wagners 'Grals-Sextet' in diens Parsifal." van Zwol's book is indeed more profound, but less accessible (only for people, who have it and can read Dutch). I will tomorrow put some nuance to the sentence, i.e., as van Zwol writes that both, Bruckner's Christus factus est and Parsifal's Grail-motif, are using the same Dresdner Amen, without mention of a (not proven) cause and effect relationship between these two events. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 22:11, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the new one! Where does the translation come from? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

The translation of the German text is from my own...

PS: I am intended, when I will find time for it, to complete the other pages drafted by Nikki, and to write pages on all remaining Bruckner's motets, and perhaps later on Bruckner's organ and piano works. As I previously wrote, the history of all those Bruckner's works is described by van Zwol and I have at least one recording of all these works too. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 22:11, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

In jener letzten der Nächte, Da ich am Ölberg gebetet, War ich von Blutschweiß geröthet, Goß ihn in Strömen für dich: Weh! Und wer weiß, ob wohl je Du auch nur denkest an mich!

In that last of nights, When I prayed at the Mount of Olives, I was reddened from blood sweat, Poured it streaming for you. Woe! And who knows if ever you even think of me!

I know a poet whom I will ask. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I have replaced my translation by yours.

NB: As for other German texts used by Bruckner I have copied the original text, i.e., with the old spelling (geröthed).--Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:38, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

FYI: Stenov and Frieberger are both performing 3 strophes of the motet. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 20:02, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Warning against what I see as battleground behaviour

Just a friendly reminder about Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes#Gerda Arendt admonished: "Gerda Arendt is admonished for treating Wikipedia as if it were a battleground..." in connection with what happens at Talk:Mass for the Dresden court (Bach)#Name, where I identified why the discussion is so futile, and imho doesn't pass the WP:DUCK test on battleground behaviour. Please desist if you haven't really anything to say regarding the current article title, but only want to continue discussing other possible article titles that have no decisive advantages. If you can't agree on the matter with those currently commenting there, set up a WP:RM as I already recommended. --Francis Schonken (talk) 10:47, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

I have to say (and said) against the title that Mass suggest (to me, it may be my language limit) a complete mass, while Bach's Missa contains Kyrie and Gloria. I made my last entry there. I look at this, from [74]:

I. Missa (Kyrie & Gloria)

II. Symbolum Nicenum (Credo)

III. Sanctus

IV. Osanna, Benedictus, Agnus Dei et Dona nobis pacem

see http://www.bach-digital.de/receive/BachDigitalSource_source_00001048 - Titelblatt Teil 1 means title page of part 1, same 2,3,4

Interesting what you consider a battle. I thought we were looking for the best possible title. Forgive me please that I still tried to improve after you found one. You moved without ado, made the former a confusing dab page instead of a redirect, and now come here. I thought we were looking for the best possible title. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:18, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Schonken, your posts to Gerda are coming across as bullying.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:26, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Jesu, meine Freude

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Jesu, meine Freude you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of 3family6 -- 3family6 (talk) 16:05, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! I will be more off than on during the week but we will see, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!!

Hi, Gerda. I just now saw the message you left me. I've been too busy for Wikipedia for a while. It's an extremely busy, high-stress time for me at work right now; the award along with your kind words was such a wonderful surprise. It means more to me than you know! Thanks again. Best, Joefromrandb (talk) 22:25, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Allow me to offer my thanks as well for the message that I was left. I don't have as much time for editing as I used to, but an occasional bit of praise from a talented fellow editor makes me feel like the time I do spend here is worth it. Thanks again. Giants2008 (Talk) 16:13, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Ave Maria (Bruckner)

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:02, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Same thing as months ago

Well, I said it was good to be back, and I appreciated the kind words from you and other editors. But now the same editor who drove me away before with his repeated "fuck offs" and the admin who says it's OK to tell other editors to fuck off are it again. I was minding my own business, not even thinking about that foulmouthed person, and just trying to put it behind me. But within days of my return he's on my talk page, poking me a stick. And the admin is saying, literally, that if I don't like being told "fuck off" that all my past good work means nothing and that I should leave Wikipedia.

I don't know what my future is here. I've started an ANI here, and hopefully something will come of that. I just wanted to let some of the good and responsible editors here know, and that if they're interested in following what's going on, that's the link. I am disheartened as hell. --Tenebrae (talk) 10:04, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Sorry to see you disheartened. "Fuck" is only a word. I made a hook about encouragement, and one for singing in defiance. As you can see above, I am famous for battleground behaviour. If it helps a victim or the ideas of a composer about naming his work, I am ready to fight. But right now I have VERY limited time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:11, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Bruckner's Motets

Dear Gerda,

I have already updated three pages, which were drafted by Nikki: Afferentur regi, Tota pulchra es (Bruckner) and Virga Jesse (Bruckner). I have also partially updated the two other pages Ecce sacerdos magnus (Bruckner) and Vexilla regis (Bruckner). Thereafter, I will create new pages, beginning with Os justi, the another "famous" motet, for which more than 100 recording are available, but only two with the complete setting...

NB: I have seen what is been done for the three settings of the Ave Maria. To be consistent, I will rename settings 2 and 3 of Christus factus est accordingly.
--Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:53, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Go ahead, I had no time, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:06, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Section Music of Ecce sacerdos magnus (Bruckner) and Vexilla regis (Bruckner) completed. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:46, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

As you suggest, the two texts of Vexilla regis would indeed be better put in the page Vexilla regis, but then with all seven strophes. On Vexilla regis (Bruckner) I have put only the three strophes (1, 6 and 7) used by Bruckner. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:09, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Thanks for the encouragement! Ich (talk) 15:56, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Jesu, meine Freude

The article Jesu, meine Freude you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Jesu, meine Freude for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of 3family6 -- 3family6 (talk) 16:43, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Vaughan Williams vs. Williams

Hello: His last name is Vaughan Williams, a common British double-name construction. Vaughan is not his middle name. Please revert the edits you recently made that change his name to Williams. Thank you! --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 20:32, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) It was a page move; you are right and to save Gerda time I've put it back. Cheers, DBaK (talk) 22:57, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, learning, - next time just revert, please. Thanks for the move, BDaK, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:21, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Ave Maria

Hi Gerda,

Thank you for contacting me on this issue, and for informing me of the impact of article moves on DYK stats; I hadn't been aware of this before. I appreciate you explaining your reversions and linking the recent discussion of Schubert articles. I am not convinced that the Schubert example is sufficiently analogous to the Bruckner articles to justify including the redundant disambiguators in the titles of the latter, but I am very busy outside of Wikipedia right now and I don't have time to pursue this issue further at the moment. Perhaps we can renew the discussion another time. It is good to see that you continue to produce high-quality music-related articles on Wikipedia.

Neelix (talk) 22:45, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for coming over, I might say Ave Neelix! The main author followed your example for the less known works of the same title, see above. (Stats 662 + 916.) Just the timing was not perfect ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:24, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, on the project we seem to be doing less collabs since the MoS debacle, thanks Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:54, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Come to the Bruckner motets, Os justi (Bruckner) should have an article by tomorrow when Christus factus est will be shown, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:11, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

ps: strange caps spotted here also, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:14, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

I have reviewed and competed the already created pages on Bruckner's motets.

The popular Os justi (Bruckner) is indeed the next page I am intended to create. "Pange lingua, WAB 33", "Libera me, WAB 22" and "Inveni David, WAB 19" are the next candidates.

PS: Hans Roelofs has just provided me with three compilation CDs with his nec plus ultra of the Kleine Kirchenmusikwerke (MWV, B 21), which incudes rare life performances of works for which no commercially recordings are (not yet) available.

--Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:32, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Os justi

Os justi is drafted. I will complete the section "Music", fill-in the section "Selected discography" and add an infobox later. Have a fine weekend! --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:31, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Link it, to get more collaborators ;) - The text, should it be Os justi or Os iusti? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

The "Selected discography" is filled in. "Os iusti" is classical Latin, "Os justi" is "church Latin". --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:48, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Wolfgang Schäfer is our conductor's teacher, and he conducted two concerts [75] in our church ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:59, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

What is a Versus-Chorale (or Versus-Choral)? Looks strange in English with two caps and hyphen. "added verse"? "extra verse"? - Where does "Its der ganze Text?" come from. In "my" German it would be "Ist das der ganze Text?", possibly "Ist's", while "Its" is no German word I know. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:42, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

The meaning of "Versus-Chorale" is indeed "extra verse" (in Gregorian style). I will adapt it. "Its der ganze Text?" (sic) is what Traumihler replied (Austrian dialect). I will adapt it too. I have in the meantime added an infobox. I will now add some additional info to section "Music". --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 21:05, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Sorry! Typo, it should be "Ists". I have in the meantime expanded the section "Music", and added some info about the use of Os justi. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:11, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Peter Dijkstra

Can you proof and source?♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:54, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

A bit yes, more later, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:21, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Christus factus est, WAB 11

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:03, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Re. userfying content in preparation of remedy six initiative

• I've posted the question [76] --Francis Schonken (talk) 17:34, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

I just replied your talk before seeing this. You posted the wrong location. The case is closed. Only clerks add archived discussions. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:38, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Re. "the case is closed" - indeed. People looking for old evidence may find the link regarding the page move which I posted there, where also other follow-up notices are posted. So unless a clerck or anyone else uninvolved in the content of the matter replies I don't see what else I should do for the time being. Note, I have posted similar follow-up notes on arbcom case talk pages before (even cases in which I was involved [77]), nobody ever said I shouldn't do that. When it's helpful, it's helpful, without assuming any clerck-like authority. It's not like I'm (re)opening whatever discussion, just a convenience note and/or a question about a practical matter. --Francis Schonken (talk) 17:51, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Learning. - I have little experience with arbcom cases, - I thought a case called "Infoboxes" was about infoboxes, and learned that I was wrong. I plan that case to be my only one, - at least we won more understanding for ad absurdum ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:08, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

I took an initiative to put remedy six of that case in motion. Again, you all directly touched by the ArbCom case should have done that a long time ago. There's no "bad" in posting on the case talk page a link to where this initiative has started, nor in adding a question there about a side-effect I hadn't foreseen (but which I personally think non-essential).

As to the content of the matter of your latest remarks and suggestions on my talk page: the previous content of Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Infobox (including its edit history) was user-owned (in case: by Gerda Arendt). For that reason they needed to be WP:USERFYed. They blocked the development of a remedy six initiative, as long as they were in project namespace. FYI, the approach developed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Infobox prior to the infoboxes arbcom case, appears to have been widely discussed in that case. Arbitrators disapproved of that prior approach, and suggested a completely different one in remedy six. Sorry for setting that recommended approach in motion, but that is what happened. Be thankful and collaborate, instead of this attitude of obstruction to what you all involved in the case should have been doing in the first place.

Please stop posting surprise links like precious voice of reason and talk of the ironing lady on my talk page. If you have something to say, say it, this kafkaeske way of presenting indirect and somewhat unintelligble arguments keeps me unimpressed, so I don't click the links. --Francis Schonken (talk) 07:49, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Your view. Be collaborative and thankful that I give you a week to reflect. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:55, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

I've clicked and read both surprise links now:

• The first appears completely unrelated. At least I fail to see the link with the current discussion;
• The second appears unrelated to me to, except for a defense of direct questions in Gerda's reply to Voceditenore last entry to that talk page section ("...I would iron the shirt if the request addressed me personally: "Can you please iron this shirt?""). So I hope we can have done with the surprise links, as I said above, "presenting indirect and somewhat unintelligble arguments". It's like instead of someone asking directly "Can you please iron this shirt?" (as Gerda apparently prefers), or asking it in the most indirect way Voceditenore could find ("I think this shirt would look better if it were ironed"), asking it still more indirectly: "I give you time to reflect on a shirt that you can find in a closet upstairs". Shirts getting ironed as a result of such request: unlikely. --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:03, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

You don't have to follow any link, the message is clear without: Listen to Voceditenore, the precious voice of reason who gave me good advice. The links are added like references, the first for "precious" and "voice of reason", the second to illustrate sound advice. Here's a link you will hopefully understand: Da pacem Domine (in case you missed requested a break and plea for peace on top). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:36, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

• [78] (predating [79])
• May I suggest User:Bishzilla/Self-requested pocketings?

--Francis Schonken (talk) 10:31, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't matter in which order you made edits you better revert. - WP:QAI is pro-infobox, it's one of its goals, with a link to a PROJECT PAGE which happens to have been maintained mainly by me, but supported by the other members. Please restore WP:QAI/Infobox. What we have now has the right content, not a redirect to user space as you made it, but the wrong (cut and paste) article history. - To conduct any discussion about infoboxes on WP:QAI means it would be not on a neutral site. - My guess is that the community and the arbs (soon to be changed) don't want to discuss what you propose, and that users formerly believed to be on different sides of the matter collaborate amicably, see Peace. - One of the Bish's (forgot which Bish and when) once asked me to bite more. Don't tempt me ;) - Da pacem Domine, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:35, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Bruckner's Aequali I & II

Dear Gerda,

Bruckner'swo Aequali for 3 trombones are popular works. There are about 50 recordings of them.

In the MWV they are put in Band 21 Kleine Kirchenmusikwerke. Therefore I have put them in Motets (Bruckner) as related works.

Question: When I will create a page on them, in which section of {{Anton Bruckner}} would they then be classified? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:18, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Let me think, - the first and last Ave Maria are no true motet (as I understand the word), but here nothing is sung. - Rename Motets "Short sacred works"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:23, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Excellent suggestion! It would then be in accordance with the MWV. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:32, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

In {{Anton Bruckner}} I have changed Sacred choral to Sacred works, and Motets to Small sacred works. OK so?

NB: In the MWV the three early Masses are also put in Band 21, but I prefer to put them together with the Masses. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:44, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Agree! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:04, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Do I maintain the Category: Motets by Anton Bruckner or do I change it to, e.g., "Category:Short sacred works by Bruckner"? What about Motets (Bruckner)? Should it then be changed to, e.g., "Bruckner's short sacred works"? Please let me know it. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:07, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

In the List of compositions by Anton Bruckner we have 70 "religious works": 18 "large choral works" (masses, etc.), 50 "smaller choral works", and the "2 aequali".

A compromise: we could perhaps replace the Category: Motets by Anton Bruckner by a "Category:Short sacred works by Bruckner", in which we put the "motets" (i.e., the "smaller choral works") and the 2 aequali, and let the page Motets (Bruckner) as it currently is. OK so? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 20:07, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

I think you could simply move the category. Try it? - Or leave it motets, and have the Aequali under Compositions by Anton Bruckner? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:54, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

The easiest would indeed be put the Aequali under Compositions by Anton Bruckner. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 08:33, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

IMSLP free scores on Commons

Dear Gerda

I never have done it on Commons.

On the en-Wikipedia and the fr-wikipedia I am using {{IMSLP2|id=Mit Fried und Freud, BuxWV 76 (Buxtehude, Dietrich)|cname=Mit Fried und Freud, BuxWV 76}}. Unfortunately this template does not work on Commons.

On the contrary, [[Scores:Mit Fried und Freud, BuxWV 76 (Buxtehude, Dietrich)|♫]], used in List of compositions by Anton Bruckner, is well working on Commons. I have tried [[Scores:Mit Fried und Freud, BuxWV 76 (Buxtehude, Dietrich)|Mit Fried und Freud, BuxWV 76]] ... and it also works on Commons. Perhaps you could use something like this.

Best regards,

I don't think I was clear enough. The IMSLP link is in the article, in a template, you can copy from there. - What I would like is to show the image (!) of the title page as an image in the article, to save readers the long wait for IMSLP to open and the even longer wait for that particular image, rather have a glance first sight. So: the image alone needed to be copied to the commons. Is it possible, if yes, how? (The composer image, now lead, would then go below where the viols are mentioned.) - Other question: Should I move Klag-Lied to Mit Fried und Freud, because it's the title of a publisher and IMSLP? - I used Klag-Lied because of the corresponding article in French, brevity and less German, however we have Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin, BWV 125 and will have the hymn. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:49, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

If I understand it well, you want to put the front page[80] in the Infobox. I do not see how you can do it without copying it in Commons. The picture is apparently in the public domain. You could thus theoretically copy it and put it in Commons, mentioning only where it is coming from.

For the title, I always prefer to use the title put on the score, instead to try to have a concordance with other languages wikis. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:11, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the image help. - I moved to the title on IMSLP and publisher, the Incipit. The title on the first publication - the image - is way too long ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:25, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Precious

Thanks for the award! Barryjjoyce (talk) 23:36, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

You deserve it ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:38, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

IDSTEINER GEDENKEN

Gerda, unsure of your example here. It looks German (something thoughts). Tony (talk) 13:04, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

It is German, even exists[81], will not have an article, but let's assume it was an article title: how would it be subjected to house style? I would like to learn what this mysterious house style does to names (which I believe should not be changed at all, and we are polite enough not to change French titles, German titles, ... - why English?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:29, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Next motet created

Dear Gerda,

I have just created the page Pange lingua, WAB 31, Bruckner's very first composition, which he reviewed at the end of his life.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:53, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Two motets will be on the Main page tomorrow, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:05, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the DYKs. In the meantime I have created the page Asperges me, WAB 4, the first of three settings of the Asperges me, which Bruckner composed during his stay in Kronstorf. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:30, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

Hello, and thank you very much for your comment on my talk page. I am just an ordinary editor, though, who has hardly any time to do much now, because I am in China with little access to sources that I could use well (most of them are still in my house in the UK, because I can't spend the time, expense, or customs red-tape to bring them here). I also am saddened by what wikipedia is becoming with a veering away from content into adminsitrtaive and procedural obsessions. So, once again, thank you.  DDStretch  (talk) 17:13, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, for doing what you do, - all we do is voluntary, and we have to decide if we spend time for content or what ;) - I made DYK about peace (several), singing in defiance and encouragement, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:01, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Christus factus est, WAB 10

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Os justi (Bruckner)

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Two Asperges me, WAB 3

Dear Gerda,

The next page to be created is over "Two Asperges me, WAB 3". How will I proceed? Putting the two on a single page with two Infoboxes or on two separate pages? A same problem will appear for the "Four Tantum ergo, WAB 41". Please advise. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:41, 15 November 2014 (UTC) PS: The "Four Tantum ergo" can be well put in a single Infobox, because their text content is the same. The "Two Asperges me" not, because they are dedicated for different celebrations and their text content is different. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:52, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

You need to decide if the two pieces have much in common, then one, or not, then individual. Look at Mit Fried und Freud for an example of two in one, because they were published as one, BuxWV 76m - otherwise they are as different as can be. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:01, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

I will take it simple. I can solve it with a single infobox, if I put the two keys after each other, and do not precise for which Sunday they were composed. I will create the page in a few minutes. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:52, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Could you also just add a little bit + sources to Pange lingua, to make it ready for DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

What would you want to see added to the Pange lingua WAB 31? I have uploaded to Commons the manuscript of the second version I have found in Auer's book, so that I could illustrate the Infobox. I perhaps could describe the score more in detail. In French we say "La plus belle fille ne peut donner que ce qu'elle a."
This work is apparently largely ignored. There is a single commercial recording of its second version, and I [82] and Hans,[83] successively, found this year the very first two live performances of its first version. The second Pange lingua (WAB 33) of 1868 (Linz period) is better known. I will later create a page on it.
The second version of the Vier Tantum ergo WAB 41 and the Tantum ergo WAB 42 is a little better known, but their first version (St. Florian period), as well as the 3 other Tantum ergo (WAB 32, 43 and 44) are also largely ignored. This is te same for the majority of the other works of the St Florian period. This is a little bit the problem with all Bruckner's "youth" works (i.e., before 1861), except for the Requiem, the Aequali and the second Libera me (WAB 22)... --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 18:02, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

I don't know what YOU know and could add ;) - perhaps have the second and compare in one hook, if the early one is not good for enough content? Did you see how I did four Magnificat in one? I could imagine Tantum ergo (Bruckner), with redirects for the individual ones. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:52, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

About 20 motets are plus or minus "well-known". The other half is less known, even ignored, except locally in Austria and Bavaria. T. Kerbl recorded most of them, but insular (J. Brown, D. Ferguson and R. Jones) and sometimes other conductors too.

There are still a few page to be created for early "forgotten" works, for which very few literature is available (Libera me WAB 21, Dir, Herr, dir will ich mir ergeben, O du liebes Jesu Kind and Herz-Jesu-Lied). If I want to have a complete set of the motets, I have also to create them!

For the "Vier Tantum ergo" WAB 41 and Tantum ergo WAB 42, there is more literature (and recordings) available - at least for their second version (1888), which was published together as "Fünf Tantum ergo". Il will, as in the MWV, put the "Vier Tantum ergo" together on a single page. For one of the other three Tantum ergo (WAB 32), there is also more data available, because it was published as Pange lingua - the reason why Grasberger put it as "WAB 32" together with the two "true" Pange lingua. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:45, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Next motet (to be) created

Dear Gerda,

I have created the page on the next motet Dir, Herr, dir will ich mich ergeben, the last motet of the Kronstorf period (or one of the first motets of the St. Florian period?).

I will follow with the two Libera me WAB 21 (Kronstorf) & WAB 22 (St. Florian), and thereafter with the eight Tantum ergo. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 17:30, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Libera me, WAB 21 and Libera me, WAB 22 are created. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:29, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

PS: Now the eight Tantum ergo... --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 18:49, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

First of 5 pages Tantum ergo created: Tantum ergo, WAB 32. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:33, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Tantum ergo, WAB 43 and Four Tantum ergo, WAB 41 created. WAB 41 was not a very easy job because of the 2 versions. Max Auer, IMSLP and ChoralWiki refer only to the 2nd version. I have only used the keys and avoided to use the number WAB 41.1, WAB 41.2, etc. because, due the first edition, the WAB ordering is not in accordance with the ordering in the original manuscripts. Hopefully it is OK so. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:38, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

The last two Tantum ergo, WAB 42 and Tantum ergo, WAB 44 are created. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 21:03, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

O Du liebes Jesu-Kind created. "Herz Jesu-Lied" will be the following. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:35, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Herz Jesu-Lied created too. NB: The translation of the German texts of these two motets is done by myself. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 18:54, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Da pacem Domine (Pärt)

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:58, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Let's think of Da pacem Domine, both a hymn and introit (both with different text after the first identical line). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:40, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Started. Can't verify the beginning of the introit and don't know the counting of the Sundays. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:31, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Olave

When you ask for a translation of 17th-century German, I try to turn it into 17th-century English, within reason. One has to avoid going all the way, so I did not say "royall Citie", but for what it's worth Olave is the traditional English spelling of Olaf/Olai and is usually pronounced "Olive". Cf. St Olave's Church, York, and Southwark St Olave... Moonraker (talk) 03:23, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Learning, thank you. - royall Citie (vs. city) explains some of the talk on Weimar ;) - we have town privileges, right? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:11, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Help request

Hello, there. I'm in a bit of a spot with an FAC. It's for the video game character Lightning. The nomination has been up since October 6 and has not had any editing activity since the 31st of the same month: it has three supports and a passed image review, but it still lacks a source review. According to one of the editors who have commented on the WikiProject talk page on the subject, it is "already in great shape, so the final reviewer won't have much work to do". The people at the video games WikiProject advised that it find someone not as deeply linked with video game-related articles as the other users who commented were. I remember you left me a very nice "Precious" message on my talk page, and I didn't remember you being part of any of the projects I had been involved in. So, could you please help the FAC get the last bit of help it needs by doing the source review? You are under no obligation to do anything of the kind if you don't want to. --ProtoDrake (talk) 09:00, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for asking, - I have limited time, see top of the page (postponed several things until today), and practically no knowledge of the topic (which may be a advantage ;) ). Better don't rely on me having time for it soon. Nikkimaria is good in source review, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:06, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Did you know it?

Dit you know that the Qui cum Patre et Filio of the Credo of the Mass in D minor will quote the Afferentur regi? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 20:47, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

You can't say "will quote" about something that happened in the 19th century ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:59, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

ps: For DYK, it needs an inline citation right after the fact, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:01, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Looking closer, is there more about St. Lucy, for 13 Dec? - The English translation is obviously wrong, afferentur is a plural. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:15, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Can you add the link to the psalm text (look up almost any Bach cantata, or locus iste)? Ref for the mass quote please, then it's ready, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:21, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Your question

Just to say that I'm away all day tomorrow so won't get around to it until Wednesday. I do know him personally from when I was working so I would have recused myself, but I guess you don't want that as an answer! Dougweller (talk) 21:50, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to come over. - The question is not what I want but how you want to present yourself and your style of argumentation to the voters ;) - It's a simple question about the letter and spirit of a restriction, - rather independent of who was found to not have violated it, - we know that much, looking at the collapsed archived discussion. - There is also the possibility that people grow, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:58, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Fork

WP:REDUNDANTFORK while the updates had been copied. When content applicable to both 243 and 243a is expanded in one of the pages, and not in the other, then WP:Content fork still applies, and there is as much a recommendation to merge. In other words, your recent edits to the 243a page only give more strength to the "merge" argument. --Francis Schonken (talk) 16:40, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Could you convince anybody but yourself? - I suggest we have one article about the details, which is linked to from both sides, is updated one spot, and leave the rest separate for clarity. The idea of scoring and keys in a combined table frightens me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:45, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

I have commented in two places, the D major article and Francis' talk page, that a WP:SPLIT is not a fork - nor I will add here - is it a redundant fork, particularly where there is little redundancy. Montanabw^(talk) 21:03, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Warning

I don't take lightly to this halfbaked accusation that I wouldn't have presented my reasons yet: [84] — Please beware of battleground attitudes, only confirming the reputation ArbCom opined you used to have. --Francis Schonken (talk) 12:04, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Where are your reasons on that talkpage? (I expect them in a clear list, best numbered, so that we can respond to specific points.) - If I ask you to present something I don't find, and you understand that as an accusation (I try to ignore "halfbaked"), we have a problem in the communication. - Are you aware that the arbitrators used the term "battleground" once, while all other occurrences regarding me are by you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:28, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Colleen Ballinger

Hello. Thanks for the DYK review. I responded to your concerns there. Please let me know if there is anything else. Happy editing! -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:45, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Approved ;) - Happy, well, define happy. See "mourning, war and peace" on top, a warning above, my article about peace missing: moderate Thanksgiving. Your wishes help! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:22, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Bruckner's motets with German text

Dera Gerda,

Thank you for reviewing my poor translation of the text of Herz Jesu-Lied and correcting the reference (error of copy-paste...).

Would you please also have a look on my (poor) translation of the text of O Du liebes Jesu-Kind? Tank you in advance for your appreciated help, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 21:44, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

PS: Nos. 1 to 13 of Band 21 of the MWV are already created, as well as Nos. 15, 17 to 21, 25 to 30, 33, 34, and 37 to 41 (Kronstorfer Messe). See Band 21: Kleine Kirchenmusikwerke 1835-1892. Nos. 42-44 have not to be created. They are well mentioned in the List of compositions by Anton Bruckner.

Nos. 14, 16, 22-24, 31, 32, (35) and 36 have still to be created. The next pages will thus be the popular "Zwei Aequale" (No. 14) and the forgotten "Zwei Totenlieder" (No. 16).

NB: It would perhaps be interesting to add the No. when referring in an individual page to Band 21 of the MWV. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 22:20, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing my poor translation of the text of O Du liebes Jesu-Kind.

Out of the to-be-created pages, Nos. 14 and 16 are of the Sankt Florian period, Nos. 22-24 of the Linz period, and Nos. 31, 32 and 36 of the Vienna period. No. 35 is a 2nd version of No. 24. Nos. 14 (Zwei Aequale), 22 (Pange lingua, WAB 33) and 23 (Inveni David, WAB 19) are quite popular works, the others are among the "forgotten" works.

NB: I have a problem with No. 24 (Iam lucis orto sidere, WAB 18). The text used by Bruckner (Text by P. Robert Riepl) is not the same as that with English translation found in Preces latinae or in ChoralWiki. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:43, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

di Lasso seems to make fun of it ;) - How is this, same as Prece, but German translation? - Otherwise just give Brucker's (Riepl's) text, should by no copyright violation. Point out the difference. (As Da pacem Domine: same beginning, two texts.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:18, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the text used by Bruckner is also different from that of the Breviarium Romanum.

In the meantime I have created the Two Aequali (Bruckner). --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:19, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

PS: You can see the text used by Bruckner if you click on the icon "Text" in page [85] of Hans' website. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:25, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

End of the St. Florian period. The page Two Totenlieder (Bruckner) is created. The translation of the German text is by myself. Please check it for consistency. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:10, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Taufspendung

Gerda, can you offer me a translation? Like, in "In der römisch-katholischen Kirche ist die Spendung der Taufe...", or "... heidnische Kinder um der Taufspendung willen “kidnappten.”? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:07, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) In English, baptism is "administered" (I think); in German, it is "gespendet" from wikt:spenden, in the sense of give, dispense. In both instances above, it can probably be simply replaced by "baptism". -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:29, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Michael! - In the Catholic Church "werden Sakramente gespendet", sacraments are ??? - What we insert depends on if we need only the meaning, or some idiomaic translation, - I always call Moonraker for the latter. - Do we need a technical term in church language? - "Spenden" in today's German is to give. donate, etc., "spenden" will only be used for something thought to be beneficial, from blessing to money. My 2ct. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:41, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, although Spendung does have a plainer meaning, it is the word properly used in the Church of Rome for the "administering" of the sacraments, of which baptism is one, and I believe the others are confirmation, holy orders, matrimony, penance, and extreme unction. The notion of heidnische Kinder is quite common now, although if a child is too young to understand religious concepts then it is also too young to be a heathen. When I was at school, kidnappen would not have been looked on as a German verb. Change and decay in all around I see! Moonraker (talk) 12:33, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, most helpful. The seventh sacrament (had to be a holy number) is communion. - There was a time when children were baptized as soon as possible, because it was believed to be a prerequisite for them to enter Heaven. - Trying to fight decay right here, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:45, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, indeed, and in England when no priest was available a do-it-yourself baptism was thought to be better than none. Here we remember Tess of the Durbervilles. Moonraker (talk) 12:51, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

... leading to Sorrow, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:01, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you all. This is from an article by Hubertus Lutterbach on Boniface, so yes, baptism as soon as possible or the child will end up in Limbo should it die. Michael, I'm going to go with "administering" or some variant thereof; this wouldn't be so hard if Lutterbach weren't writing in this horrible jargon. There's German writing and there's German writing, but this is really German writing. I'm reading an article by Arnold Angenendt, and by comparison his prose is crisp and tasty like a well-made BLT. Drmies (talk) 18:59, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
• Well, de:Hubertus Lutterbach is an RC theologian, but he sure talks (I don't mean "writes") like a Protestant... And he doesn't even have a beard!!! Drmies (talk) 19:01, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Drmies, you might like to see here what C. S. Lewis said when J. R. R. Tolkien reprimanded him for writing on theology. Moonraker (talk) 07:06, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Looking for the sorrow image here, I found that it was pic of the day on the commons, impressive! Another article I translated: de:Sorrow (van Gogh), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:10, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

I saw that you did that--going through Sorrow was the quickest way to the German wiki. Well done--and thanks, on behalf of my countrymen. Is it in the Dutch wiki already? Did we already take care of that? Drmies (talk) 02:44, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Someone had it in Dutch, in 2013, possibly related to the appearance. Thanks for "Da pacem Domine" there! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:17, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

ps: a bit of article history

• en:Sorrow (Van Gogh) was written in a project which Andy was teaching, he asked me about a translation, May 2013.
• When 28bytes left, I had sorrow enough to translate it, January 2014.
• I had sometimes reason to bring the image up again, such as Eric being pursued for grave dancing when he mentioned actual graves, see above. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:37, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Next pages motets

The page Salvum fac populum tuum, WAB 40 is created. Next pages will be the two harmonised Gregorian songs WAB 50 and WAB 8.

The three remaining motets of the Linz period (WAB 33, 19 and 18) will be created later. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:41, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much, especially for finding extraordinary images! - WAB 40: Was the Allgemeiner Cäcilien-Verband für Deutschland official founded? Then better link to that, not the movement, perhaps piped Cäcilien-Verband (St. Cecilia Society). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:48, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Done. The Allgemeiner Cäcilien-Verband für Deutschland was indeed already founded in 1868.
FYI: I have two recordings of this "uncommon" motet: Jones (sung as in an abbey) and Rademann (somewhat more animated).

another reason

I found this edit: [86] — Question: for what reason did you change

* Aria ''Quia fecit mihi magna'' (''[[Magnificat (Bach)|Magnificat]] BWV 243'')

to

* Aria ''Quia fecit mihi magna'' ([[Magnificat in E-flat major, BWV 243a]])

?

(note that nl:Peter Kooij has

* Aria ''Quia fecit mihi magna'' (''[[Magnificat (Bach)|Magnificat]] BWV 243'')

)

I found similar other cases, where the BWV 243a article was linked by you, for no apparent reason, while the article said/should say something about Bach's composition, not about a particular version of it.

Unless that can be cleaned up (I mean all instances of that), BWV 243a should redirect to the general article about the composition, not to your flavour of it. --Francis Schonken (talk) 16:34, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Francis, you and I have obviously different understanding of what discussion, consensus and merge process mean. The term "your flavour" sounds strange, after you closed discussions your flavour and performed a merge for which you gave no reasons and which was opposed. I wrote a article in memory of my late conductor, my flavour. - Mourning, war and peace. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Forgetful

Gerda, I remember I offered somewhere to help out with translation of something from French, but I have completely forgotten what it was. If you point me in the right direction I'll roll into action. Tim riley talk 16:35, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

I forgot, think I found someone ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Good! As long as I haven't left you in the lurch! Tim riley talk 18:05, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Magnificat

I have restored the pre-merger situation as best I am able. There may be talk pages left in the wrong place and so forth. I expect a new merger discussion to be started and to be closed by an uninvolved person, preferably another admin. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:16, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Last Bruckner's motets created

Veni Creator Spiritus, WAB 50 and Ave Regina caelorum, WAB 8 created.
Last three pages to be created are Pange lingua, WAB 33; Inveni David, WAB 19; and Iam lucis oto sidere, WAB 18. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:32, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Pange lingua, WAB 33 created. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:39, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Last but one page Inveni David, WAB 19 created. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:25, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Last page on Bruckner's motets created: Iam lucis orto sidere, WAB 18. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 18:11, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

NB: As extra, I have created the elegy Vor Arneths Grab, WAB 53, which was composed together with the absolute Libera me, WAB 22. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:49, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Taufspendung

Gerda, can you offer me a translation? Like, in "In der römisch-katholischen Kirche ist die Spendung der Taufe...", or "... heidnische Kinder um der Taufspendung willen “kidnappten.”? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:07, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) In English, baptism is "administered" (I think); in German, it is "gespendet" from wikt:spenden, in the sense of give, dispense. In both instances above, it can probably be simply replaced by "baptism". -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:29, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Michael! - In the Catholic Church "werden Sakramente gespendet", sacraments are ??? - What we insert depends on if we need only the meaning, or some idiomaic translation, - I always call Moonraker for the latter. - Do we need a technical term in church language? - "Spenden" in today's German is to give. donate, etc., "spenden" will only be used for something thought to be beneficial, from blessing to money. My 2ct. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:41, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, although Spendung does have a plainer meaning, it is the word properly used in the Church of Rome for the "administering" of the sacraments, of which baptism is one, and I believe the others are confirmation, holy orders, matrimony, penance, and extreme unction. The notion of heidnische Kinder is quite common now, although if a child is too young to understand religious concepts then it is also too young to be a heathen. When I was at school, kidnappen would not have been looked on as a German verb. Change and decay in all around I see! Moonraker (talk) 12:33, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, most helpful. The seventh sacrament (had to be a holy number) is communion. - There was a time when children were baptized as soon as possible, because it was believed to be a prerequisite for them to enter Heaven. - Trying to fight decay right here, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:45, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, indeed, and in England when no priest was available a do-it-yourself baptism was thought to be better than none. Here we remember Tess of the Durbervilles. Moonraker (talk) 12:51, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

... leading to Sorrow, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:01, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you all. This is from an article by Hubertus Lutterbach on Boniface, so yes, baptism as soon as possible or the child will end up in Limbo should it die. Michael, I'm going to go with "administering" or some variant thereof; this wouldn't be so hard if Lutterbach weren't writing in this horrible jargon. There's German writing and there's German writing, but this is really German writing. I'm reading an article by Arnold Angenendt, and by comparison his prose is crisp and tasty like a well-made BLT. Drmies (talk) 18:59, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
• Well, de:Hubertus Lutterbach is an RC theologian, but he sure talks (I don't mean "writes") like a Protestant... And he doesn't even have a beard!!! Drmies (talk) 19:01, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Drmies, you might like to see here what C. S. Lewis said when J. R. R. Tolkien reprimanded him for writing on theology. Moonraker (talk) 07:06, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Looking for the sorrow image here, I found that it was pic of the day on the commons, impressive! Another article I translated: de:Sorrow (van Gogh), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:10, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

I saw that you did that--going through Sorrow was the quickest way to the German wiki. Well done--and thanks, on behalf of my countrymen. Is it in the Dutch wiki already? Did we already take care of that? Drmies (talk) 02:44, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Someone had it in Dutch, in 2013, possibly related to the appearance. Thanks for "Da pacem Domine" there! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:17, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

ps: a bit of article history

• en:Sorrow (Van Gogh) was written in a project which Andy was teaching, he asked me about a translation, May 2013.
• When 28bytes left, I had sorrow enough to translate it, January 2014.
• I had sometimes reason to bring the image up again, such as Eric being pursued for grave dancing when he mentioned actual graves, see above. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:37, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

A cup of vine for you!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0d4qM7gCH8 Hafspajen (talk) 20:08, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, - I may have to take to drinking again, see above, - Da pacem Domine, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:42, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

.... in diebus nostris. Quia non est alius. Qui pugnet pro nobis. Nisi tu Deus noster. Fiat pax in virtute tua. (I know - but this is not that kind of drinking). Hafspajen (talk) 22:01, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. My drinking is more of the "Whatever gets you through the night ..." kind, mentioned before by Ihardlythinkso. Da pacem Domine. Da pacem Domine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Well, at least 28bytes is back. He is here alive and kicking. Hafspajen (talk) 23:24, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but now Eric is in danger to be banned, who made me stay when I was most tempted to leave. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:29, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I know about it. Sad. I always thought he is such a good content editor. Hafspajen (talk) 13:37, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, see Peace: Gentle, supportive, collaborative, entertaining, and with an oppose against the main stream that made me stay when I was ready to leave (one of three times). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:40, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Well, I am making my best to make you stay... How about something of a little distraction? just to make the day pass more pleasantly. Hafspajen (talk) 15:22, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I WILL stay. Das könnte denen so passen. On the German Main page: Klag-Lied (pictured), written (de) 14 Nov on the birthday of my friend the publisher, approved quickly for today's Totensonntag. Here it's still waiting to appear. The day the arbitrators break up long-standing friendly collaborations of editors (and for what?) would be a good day. I like Kafka. So far I hope. Did you know that one of the arb candidates dared to use the term "common sense" in matters related to "arbitration"? (I asked them all the same question.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Kafka was crazy but nice. Hafspajen (talk) 21:00, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for great work on the structure and sources of Bach's Mass in B minor!

I don't know the best way or place to write to you to thank you. (There is a heart icon that links to a way to send appreciation, but I don't understand it.) So, this is where I am thanking you for all the work on the sources of the movements of the mass, etc. After making a few edits today, I saw the history and see all you have done to create (I think) and improve this page. Thanks!! A Bach-lover...David Couch (talk) 08:34, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. My promised article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:43, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

German edition of tear down this wall!

I wonder if you can translate the article into German and pick Reißen Sie diese Mauer nieder! as the title of the German edition. --George Ho (talk) 05:50, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Reißt diese Mauer ein! - My interest to create any article is zero, condolences go to Boys will be boys...? - the most constructive edit I have seen so far, thank you, Drmies. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Warning against battleground behaviour under infoboxes case remedies at Talk:Magnificat (Bach)

Your WP:BATTLEGROUND behaviour (e.g. commenting on editors instead of on edits with incorrect allegations; raising issues and then not including them in the "to be discussed" list you proposed,...) hasn't gone unnoticed at Talk:Magnificat (Bach). Please note that the discussion is de facto also about the infobox that would go lost when Magnificat in E-flat major, BWV 243a would become a redirect (which you oppose), so that the discussion could be seen as falling under the remedies of the infoboxes arbcom case, which made battleground behaviour subject to sanctions. I hope I don't have to warn you again. --Francis Schonken (talk) 12:10, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

So you think. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:46, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Correct. I also think you misunderstand the WP:BATTLEGROUND policy. --Francis Schonken (talk) 14:30, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

• Francis. This is harassment Opposing your redirect is not an infobox situation. Its about a redirect. End of story. Further, hammering another editor this way is tendentious and may be construed as an intimidation tactic. Please stop/(Littleolive oil (talk) 15:11, 25 November 2014 (UTC))

English translation

Dear Gerda,

If you can find some time for it, could you please review my translation of the German text of Vor Arneths Grab, WAB 53. I had particularly some difficulty with that of the fourth strophe.

Thanks in advance, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:00, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for asking, it was the next step anyway ;) - My mood is not quite as desolate as yesterday, but a funeral text is still fitting. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:03, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for improving my poor translation. I had obviously misunderstood the original content of the fourth strophe!

Voor Arneth Grab, which Grasberger put it in the religious songs, but the Gesamtausgabe put it in the Weltliche Chöre, is a beautiful, consoling song. I have the two recordings of it. I find it a pity that it is largely ignored.

The same occurred for the beautiful, ignored Trauungschor, WAB 49 of 1865, which is scored for mens' voice choir and organ. Grasberger put it too in the religious songs, but the Gesamtausgabe put it in the Weltliche Chöre. I have also the single recording of it. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:36, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Don't say "poor" about your work, ever ;) - We all try, mine could also be improved, - I don't know how to render the last word, "hin", for example. It implies "to be with God, wherever he is", no way to say that in one word in English. - Some mean by religious or sacred strictly: for the church service. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:44, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

ps: did you see "consolation" on my user page? I needed to look there yesterday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:45, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

On his CD, Kerbl recorded Vor Arneths Grab and only the first two strophes (same setting a cappella) of Am Grab. I find it a pity that he was lazy to study the different setting of the third strophe, so that we have only the YouTube performance of this song, well with a different text. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:12, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

WAB 33

Dear Gerda,

Musica sacra is the journal of the Cecilian society edited by Franz Xaver Witt.
Auer writes on p. 56 "Das ganze Stück ist voll mystischer Stimmung und ich möchte es trotz seiner großen Einfachheit zu den besten von Bruckners kirchlichen Chorwerken zählen."

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:26, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Good, add it, readers will not know it ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:27, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

I will add the reference to Musica sacra. "Simplicity" is perhaps a better translation than "simpleness". Do I quote Auer? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:37, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

I would include the full sentence in English with no quotation marks, German in brackets with quotation marks. For an example the opposite way look at de:Mit Fried und Freud (Buxtehude) with some quotes in English which I translated (freely) to German, providing the original in English. It was discussed on my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:46, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

If you add that - and I found a new online source, please check it out for more detail - it will be ready for DYK. Do you want to nominate yourself?

I have checked it and corrected an error of date. I prefer you nominate it for me. Thanks in advance, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 22:26, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Afferentur regi

Dear Gerda,
FYI: I have added the second page of Bruckner's draft, which I have retrieved in the meantime.
Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 22:26, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

AN notification

I've started a section at the Administrators' Noticeboard regarding a topic that concerns you. The section is: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive267#Advice requested regarding mergers and moves of Bach articles. Yngvadottir (talk) 00:05, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Commented, as far as I could, it's late here ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:25, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes I know, and I'm sorry. Thanks for a clear summary of things I cannot keep straight. Yngvadottir (talk) 00:54, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

No problem, we'll sort it out eventually ("The one thing I learned here is patience."), I added one diff, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:57, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Trauungschor, WAB 49

As I wrote above, I believe that the beautiful, ignored Trauungschor, WAB 49, is a "true" religious song. The single performance of the song (by the Liedertafel Frohsinn) occurred in the Linzer Stadtpfarrkirche during the celebration of the wedding of Bruckner's friend Karl Kerschbaum with Maria Schimatschek on 5 February 1865 - the reason why Grasberger put it in the religious songs. On the contrary the Gesamtausgabe put it in the Weltliche Chöre. I will later create a page on it too.

The other wedding song Zur Vermählungsfeier, WAB 54 (composed in 1878 and scored for mens choir a cappella), which Grasberger also put it in the religious songs, was not performed in a church, because the groom was protestant. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:19, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

The page Trauungschor, WAB 49 is created. Please, if you can find some time for it, check my poor translation of the German text. Thanks in advance, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:43, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Good: "Take in mind, take in action only peace as your guidance!" - Write that on some user talk pages;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:55, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

I try to do so! On my user page Commons you can see the icon "This user stays mellow" and on that on the French Wikipeda I have signed la "Charte du contributeur en science".

The following pages to create would perhaps be the five Namenstags-Kantaten. An overview page on the works for piano and perhaps also a short overview page on the organ works could be created.

I do not think that other pages on Lieder and Weltiche Chöre are suitable, because they are all in German on not for an English-speaking public. They should also all be translated...

What do you think? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:12, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Stay mellow ;) - I have work (more than) enough at the moment, want to reach a certain level of completeness for the Bach cantatas for the end of the church year, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:18, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Bruckner's cantatas

Bruckner cantatas are all in German. For Helgoland and Germanenzug the German text has been translated by user Orthographicus. For the Festive cantata I have done it.

For the Arneth Cantate, WAB 61 and Mayer Cantate, WAB 60 I have found the original text and an English translation in Kinder's book The wind and wind-chorus music of Anton Bruckner. For Entsagen, WAB 14 and het Festgesang, WAB 15, I have only the German text. For the first cantata, WAB 93 I have no text at all.

Jürgen Jürgens was intended to recorded the five early cantatas with the Monteverdi Choir, but unfortunately it did not occur.
For the last two of the early cantatas (WAB 60 and WAB 15) there is a single recording by Thomas Kerbl. For the first three cantatas WAB 93, 14 and 61 there is no recording at all currently available. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:59, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

The Mayer Cantata, WAB 60 is created. When you find time, please have look on it. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:21, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your review and the DYK. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:10, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

PS: Did you know that this cantata, which Bruckner composed one year after the Missa solemnis, is the one but last large work he composed during his stay in Sankt Florian. Five months later, three weeks before his move to Linz he composed the next cantata Festgesang, WAB 15 (for mixed choir, soloists and piano), as Farewell to St. Florian. I will add it to the History of the page. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:41, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

The Festgesang, WAB 15 is created. The translation of the German text is by myself. When you find time, please have look on it.
The next page will be the "Arneth Cantata", WAB 61. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:44, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your review. Was my translation of the German text OK? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:05, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for improving my translation too!

I am now drafting the first of these cantatas ("Arneth Cantata", WAB 61). No recording available. German text and translation found in Kinder's book. I will upload it tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. Hans has provided me with some additional data about the two earlier cantatas, but the harvest is still very meagre...

The page on the Arneth Cantata, WAB 61 is created. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:50, 29 November 2014 (UTC)--Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:50, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Nice! How about numbering the movements? Did you see my latest, a start? Will sing it tomorrow, incredible Et incarnatus, in free tempo and interesting harmonies. Kyrie/Christe: the invocation is always p, "eleison" always f (two words, the second eleison different from the first), The second (!) Kyrie after Christe is a recap of the very first, otherwise they are all different! 12 of them! Where the 13th would be you have a unison downward broken "verminderter Septakkord", and another surprise: two p eleison in the end. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:15, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

I numbered the movements, because of the internal repetitions (which I also mentioned in the text). --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:41, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

PS: Your "latest" is clear and concise. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:53, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

The cantata Entsagen is also created. The translation of the difficult German poem is by myself. If you have time, please review my translation. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:41, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
PS: For the first cantata (Vergißmeinnicht, WAB 93), of which there are, alike the Arneth Cantata, WAB 61, 3 versions I have no text and less reference material. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:49, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

I noticed that you got the wrong Monteverdi-Chor on the talk, please check for other spots ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:10, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Other spots checked and corrected. Thanks. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:20, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Magnificat (C. P. E. Bach)

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:02, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Mayer Cantata, WAB 60

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Tempus Quadragesimae

"(In) tempus Quadragesimae" means "(during the) period of Lent" --Francis Schonken (talk) 10:19, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I guess it refers to the duration of forty days. Is that explained somewhere, to be linked? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:23, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Lent article, first sentence

See also [87] where I added the explanation (for Mass compositions) --Francis Schonken (talk) 10:44, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

The second link is helpful, thanks to you, but places it under Short masses. What do you think of (eventually) moving Missa brevis to Missa (music) (now a redirect), which I think would help in all these cases where "brevis" is not typically used. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:59, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Thumb up

a little Rachmaninoff for you. Hafspajen (talk) 16:31, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Lovely, also the image! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:37, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

And I thank you, in turn ...

... for your review of the article and hook. I hadn't known about that rule at dewiki; it seems understandable though I don't think we'd go for it here. Daniel Case (talk) 19:07, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Here, it was Andy who told me that he aims at only one link: to the article for which you want attention. It worked well for my favourite which he wrote when he was close to being banned, look for peace and reconciliation. - I have fond memories of the Pocantico area, thank you for the reminder! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:19, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Good one that, but there's really nothing else you could really link to, nor need to link in that hook. I suppose that's a special kind of perfection ... Daniel Case (talk) 05:16, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Nicely said: writing the article in the condition was a special kind of perfection. I wrote the hook and am proud of it, I work for editor retention, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:38, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Translation of Entsagen, WAB 14

Dera Gerda,

As Roelofs writes on p. 57, "the text contains the prayer of the principal person to protect her fiancé Walther, who is departing to Welschland".

Please check again whether the following (2nd strophe) is correctly translated:

Nimm meine Lieb' mir ab
Und der so treu sie gib,
Die schon den Ring ihm gab!

Take my love off me
And give it to her, so faithful,
who already gave him the ring!

Should it not be better translated as something like this :

Take my love off me,
which already gave him the ring,
And give it to him, so faithful!

Please advise, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:10, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Well, how best to translate ambiguous nonsense? In prose: Take love away from me and pass it to the other (so faithful) woman who already gave him the ring. Equals renunciation. As if love was some thing that Mary could pass from one woman to the next ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:45, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

I originally asked you to review it, because I was not sure that I did understand the meaning of this strophe. I am not German native...) It is indeed ambiguous. "Liebe" and "Maria" are both feminine... Let it as it is. Have a fine Sunday! --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:27, 30 November 2014 (UTC)#

No problem, it's just lousy German. Liebe, the speaker, the other woman, Mary, - all feminine. "Und der so treu sie gib": "der" refers to the other woman, because the speaker is out (will not say that about herself), you don't give to love, and Mary is addressed. "so treu" could also be interpreted as an adverb to the giving, which would result in "And give it so faithfully to her". - We sang the Haydn Missa, the conductor was delighted! (the group pictured in my own infobox, just singing from the organ loft, - pictures were taken today again.) The Bach Missa was announced, concert 1 February 2015. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:40, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

There's an article in German on the journal of the Cäcilienverband Musica sacra, you can use this Musica sacra (journal) generously. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:05, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I will refer to it. I will tomorrow draft the page on the very first cantata (WAB 93) Musikalischer Versuch nach der Kammer-Styl (2 versions), better known as Vergißmeinnicht (3rd version) - the single large work, which Bruckner composed during his stay in Kronstorf. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:30, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

PS: And, thereafter, a page on Laßt Jubeltöne laut erklingen, WAB 76, a (semi-)cantata composed in c. 1854 for the joyous entrance of Sissi in Linz; and perhaps... a page on the "Military march", WAB 116, and overview pages on the "Piano works", the "Organ works" and the "Weltliche Chorwerke". What about the last piece of chamber music (Abenklänge, WAB 110)? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:54, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

You might check if any of the last works could make it to DYK, needs 1.500 characters of prose and citations throughout. WAB 14: 1259 char, 15: 883, 49: 1320, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:54, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

What is this "An den scönen blauen Donau"? An der schönen blauen Donau? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:15, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

"An den scönen blauen Donau" is of course not the popular waltz of Johann Strauss II, but the journal in which the 3rd setting of Iam lucis orto sidere was published. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 18:03, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

... and the strange spelling, also grammatically incorrect in today's German, is correct? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:13, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Original text of Entsagen

Dear Gerda,

I have a scan of the book Amaranth of Oskar v. Redwitz, Verlag von Franz Kirchheim, Mainz, 29. Auflage, 1874.
The poem Entsagen is found on pp. 112-113.

The text is the same as that I had copied on Hans Roelofs' webpage. I will check the spelling tomorrow and correct it on Entsagen, WAB 14, if required.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 21:36, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

PS: I have already checked it. There are minimal spelling differences. I have corrected it and added the ref to the original text. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 22:23, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

An online book can be found on O. v. Redwitz Amarant. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:49, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin

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Vergißmeinnicht, WAB 93

The page on the first cantata Vergißmeinnicht is created.
NB: In the wiki title I have replaced the ß by ss. OK so? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:32, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I moved it, no reason not to use the original title. Please correct the links, I am busy. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:17, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Changed. In fact the title of the 1st version was longer: Musikalischer Versuch nach dem Kammer-Styl über ein kurzes Gedicht für Sänger mit Begleitung des Pianoforte. The title of the 2nd version was slightly modified: Musikalischer Versuch nach dem Kammer-Styl über ein Gedicht für Sing-Partien und Pianoforte-Begleit. (sic)... --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:41, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Long title (certainly not the common name) can go to the infobox, |original=, look up St Matthew Passion structure for an example --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:01, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

The "official title" (?), used by van Zwol on p. 711 and by Hans Roelofs on his webpagina, is Musikalischer Versuch nach dem Kammer-Styl. A 11-strophe poem is not particularly kurz... --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 18:27, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

re Speech

Glad you found it alright. :) — Cirt (talk) 16:04, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Nice pun: I didn't find it all right and said so ;) (I just made sure I didn't even quote the speech itself.) The link is on my user page, under "flower", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:08, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Yeats

Hi Gerda, regarding the student edits at W. B. Yeats, my concerns go much beyond whether or not an infobox is there or not. Given that the students are working on a specific time schedule and that they're getting a grade for their work, I think we should put aside the issue of infoboxes until they're finished with the school term, because it perpetuates an issue that has nothing at all to do with their work but instead is an internal WP conflict. Thanking them is, of course, nice, but also reinforces that what they are doing is correct (and by extension that I'm being bitey). All literature students must follow certain formatting rules and guidelines when writing off-line, done according to a specific style-guide, and my feeling is that equally if they are to edit an FA here they should be aware of our MoS in regards to sectioning, TOC, etc. etc. Thanks, Victoria (tk) 18:15, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

When did I mention infobox on Yeats? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:17, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

ps: Victoria, I didn't even address you. I found it quite generous that you partly restored the students' work. My one comment was questioning Slim Virgin's comment, and recommending to the students to brake work up in small edits with precise edit summaries. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:22, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Gerda, I completely restored the student work. That you say I partly restored it (because I didn't restore the infobox) tells me where this is going. Fwiw, since I've been editing here in 2009, I've been bringing WP into the classroom. In all those years not a single student has shown any enthusiasm to edit on their own but we do edit as a class (I have a class project that I have to finish today), so I have great sympathy for students who have to edit with a deadline. In fact I'm strongly opposed to it, and think that we should really stop and think before giving out thanks messages when something completely different is being said on the talk. It's a stressful time of year for students and the last thing they need is our squabbling. I think your message (thanks) undermines what I and SlimVirgin are trying to get across. Victoria (tk) 19:40, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean by "where this is going". Do you think that I added to the stress of these students? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:31, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Sigh. I suppose I'll drop this and have to apologize for posting here in the first place. Students' stress is my perception; it's what I see daily in my job at this time of year. Editing Wikipedia is not easy, editing an FA even less easy. As you know. As I said, I think when two editors who are familiar with the sources, and who have brought several similar articles successfully through FAC, see problems and yet the students receive a thanks for an edit from another editor it could cause mixed messages. But I could be wrong. Anyway, sorry to have bothered you. Victoria (tk) 22:54, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Misunderstanding? You didn't bother me, you made me think ;) - If you want to do me a favour, you might be a little less wordy to these students about the troubles of some past I don't really share and about which to know possibly doesn't help them. See also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:03, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Laßt Jubeltöne laut erklingen

Dear Gerda,

Bruckner's semi-cantata Laßt Jubeltöne laut erklingen is created. Please have look of the English translation of the text (by myself).

Thanks, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:38, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for reviewing my (again poor) translation. This was the last page on the cantatas. The other Weltliche Chorwerke are indeed, as Derek Watson wrote, "of little concern to the non-German listener". Eight of them were recorded first by Mancusi. Twenty of them and the five Lieder were recorded later by Kerbl. For twelve of the remaining Weltliche Chorwerke there is no recording currently available.

I will perhaps write later an overview page "Weltliche Chorwerke and Lieder", similar as the previous one on the motets, as well as overview pages on "Piano and organ works".

I will now review in depth the pages on the motets. Hans Roelofs reviewed already a few of them and made some suggestions to me for improvement.

Best regards from Belgium, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:03, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Excellent! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Lieder für Gesang und Klavier and Weltliche Chorwerke

Dear Gerda,

Here you have the list of the Lieder für Gesang und Klavier and Weltliche Chorwerke:

Lieder für Gesang und Klavier
01. Frühlingslied A-Dur, 1851 - WAB 68
02. Amaranths Waldeslieder G-Dur, c. 1858 - WAB 58
03. Herbstkummer e-moll, 1868 - WAB 72
04. Mein Herz und deine Stimme A-Dur, 1868 - WAB 79
05. Im April As-Dur, 1868 - WAB 75
06. [Volkslied C-Dur, 1882 - WAB 94]

Weltliche Chorwerke
01. An dem Feste Des-Dur, 1843 - WAB 59
01a. Festlied D-Dur - WAB 67
02. Das Lied vom deutschen Vaterland Des-Dur, 1845 - WAB 78
03. Ständchen G-Dur, c. 1846 - WAB 84
04. Der Lehrerstand Es-Dur, c. 1847 - WAB 77
05. Sternschnuppen F-Dur, c. 1848 - WAB 85
06a. [Motto: 'Ein jubelnd Hoch' D-Dur, 1851 - WAB 83.1)]
06b. [Motto: 'Lebt wohl, ihr Sangesbrüder' A-Dur, 1851 - WAB 83.2]
07. Das edle Herz (I) A-Dur - WAB 65, c. 1851
08. [Die Geburt, 1852 - WAB 69]
09. Vor Arneths Grab f-Moll, 1854 - WAB 53
10. Laßt Jubeltöne laut erklingen Es-Dur, c. 1854 - WAB 76
11. Des Dankes Wort sei mir vergönnt F-Dur, 1845-1849 - WAB 62
12. [Das edle Herz (II) A-Dur, 1857 - WAB 66]
13. Am Grabe f-moll, 1861 - WAB 2
14. [Du bist wie eine Blume F-Dur,1861 - WAB 64]
15. Der Abendhimmel (I) As-Dur, 1862 - WAB 55
16. Herbstlied fis-moll, 1864 - WAB 73
17. Um Mitternacht (I) f-Moll, 1864 - WAB 89
18. Trauungschor F-Dur, 1865 - WAB 49
19. Der Abendhimmel (II) F-Dur, 1866 - WAB 56
20. [Vaterlandslied As-Dur, 1866 - WAB 92]
21. Vaterländisch Weinlied C-Dur, 1866 - WAB 91
22. Motto: 'Des Höchsten Preis' C-Dur, c. 1868 - WAB 95.2
23. [Motto: 'Das Frauenherz, die Mannesbrust' A-Dur, c. 1868 WAB 95.1]
24a. [Motto: 'Im Wort und Liede wahr und frei' C-Dur, 1869 - WAB 148.1]
24b. Motto: 'Wir Alle, Jung und Alt' d-Moll, 1869 - WAB 148.2
25. Mitternacht As-Dur, 1869 - WAB 80
26. Motto: 'Freier Sinn und hoher Mut' D-Dur, 1874 - WAB 147
27. [Das hohe Lied As-Dur, 1876 - WAB 74]
28a. [Nachruf c-moll, 1877 - WAB 81]
28b. Trösterin Musik c-Moll, 1886 - WAB 88
29. Abendzauber Ges-Dur, 1878 - WAB 57
30. Zur Vermählungsfeier D-Dur, 1878 - WAB 54
31. Sängerbund C-Dur, 1882 - WAB 82
32. Volkslied C-Dur, 1882 - WAB 94
33. Um Mitternacht (II) f-Moll, 1886 - WAB 90
34. Träumen und Wachen As-Dur, 1890 - WAB 87
35. Der deutsche Gesang d-Moll, 1892 - WAB 63
36. [Tafellied Des-Dur, 1893 - WAB 86]

The titles between brackets are songs for which no recording is available. Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:01, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Herbstkummer ;) - probably alluding to the predictable season of banning every fall --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:13, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Herber Herbstkummer, indeed! --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 07:11, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

I have just created the page Lieder (Bruckner). Is it OK so?

That on the Weltliche Chorwerke will be more tedious to create. I have already a very first draft. I think that I will not add the info about the location of the manuscripts, in order to be not too fastidious .... --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:31, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

NB: Would the pages Motets (Bruckner) and Lieder (Bruckner) also be added to {{Anton Bruckner}}?

I guess "Motets" could replace "Shorter works", with a link, and a new section opened, "Lieder", with that link --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:37, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I will do it. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:42, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Magnificat

My soul magnifies the Lord, And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior. For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden, For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation. He has shown strength with His arm: He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. He has put down the mighty from their thrones, and exalted those of low degree. He has filled the hungry with good things; and the rich He has sent empty away. He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy; As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Hafspajen (talk) 07:23, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Came to be my theme of the year, Schütz, Rutter, Bach father and son. Would you know an image more suitable to the son, Visitation, second half of the 18th century? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:27, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

;-)

Thank you my dear! (We all like our efforts to be acknowledged & appreciated. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:55, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

I appreciated that you were a little bit faster than I was ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:58, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

<chuckle> Pdfpdf (talk) 14:08, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Moving out material

Hi Gerda, could you kindly inform Yngvadottir that this series of edits I performed today was primarily moving out material from 243a (+ some adjustments that certainly didn't come from 243a). I mean, I could go tell them, but suppose they wouldn't take my word for it unless you confirm. --Francis Schonken (talk) 20:24, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

I can confirm that this is right, also that I didn't ask for reverts. I can also confirm that I more or less unwatched that article. I personally have nothing against two articles as two views on a topic. Look at The Creation (Haydn) and The Creation structure, complimenting each other, - nobody requested a merge. - I confirm (again) that we had no edit war on BWV 243a, - a request for sources is legitimate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:59, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

If both of you can agree on the permalink to the "right" version, I'll do the revert/restore or whatever and if it's beyond my abilities, I'll ping Yngvadottir or Drmies to fix it. Montanabw^(talk) 21:19, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

There is no right version, or will there ever be, always room for improvement ;) - revert the last revert and take discussion from there, forward. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

@Yngvadottir: @Montanabw: @Drmies: FYI this is the "last revert" about which Gerda suggests: "revert the last revert and take discussion from there, forward"

BTW, that revert had not only re-introduced "merge" material that should have been kept out per Drmies' closures, it had also re-introduced unsourced/erroneous material, and removed well-sourced material... --Francis Schonken (talk) 04:54, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

I assume you are both/all asleep now, but carry on - you've reached agreement to revert me and resume building the article. Yngvadottir (talk) 05:04, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Good morning. I reverted. Now please work on accepting that an article on the first version exists which is not perfect but decent enough to link to;) - It works the other way round. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:46, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Weltliche Chorwerke (Bruckner)

Dear Garda,

FYI: The overview page Weltliche Chorwerke (Bruckner) is created.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 22:45, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Next pages will be:

* an overview page "Works for piano", in which I will also put the "Abendklänge, WAB 110" for violin and piano. I will classify it in the section "Chamber" of {{Anton Bruckner}}

* an overview page "Works for organ". In which section would it be classified?

* a descriptive page on the "Military march, WAB 116", with a note on the "Apollo March, WAB 115", a composition of Bela Keler, which Grasberger wrongly attributed to Bruckner. I propose to classify it in the section "Other orchestral".

All Bruckner's works will then be described. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 08:38, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

The overview page Piano works (Bruckner), which also includes Abendklänge, is created. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:48, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Wallace and Gromit

What do you think about this changes to the info-box, Wallace and Gromit - because I really don't understand what they did. Could you check, if you have the time, please. Hafspajen (talk) 22:51, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Abendklänge

Dear Gerda,

Abendklänge (called in French "Harmonies du soir". I translated it as "Evening sounds") is a very short piece (duration lees than 1.5 min), with only two recordings, one by Kerbl and another on YouTube. In addition, the contribution of the violin is minimal - two reasons why I put it with the piano works.

Is it OK so for you, or would you prefer to see it on a separate page? Please advise. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:09, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Fine as is, there will not be many links I guess, - which would be a reason (for me) to have a separate page. I hate it to arrive in the middle of a page, not even seeing the title. Perhaps try translations of the more poetic titles? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:19, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I have translated it to "Evening harmonies", a term I have found on Internet. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:34, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

PS: Next ones will be an overview page "Organ works (Bruckner)" and a page "Military march (Bruckner)". NB: I will also look for translations of the other poetic titles.

Edit of Carmen

You edit of my Carmen was wrong, The changes I made were fairly well known to american audiences and are in some cases their best exposure to songs from carmen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Howardform (talk • contribs)

Organ works (Bruckner)

The overview page Organ works (Bruckner) is created. I do not know where to put it into {{Anton Bruckner}}. Please advise. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 22:22, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! - Is there one good for an article? then new secondary below motets (perhaps even without) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:28, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Put in a new secondary "Other works" below "Motets", in which I have also transferred the Aequali.

I do not think that there is one good for an article. Very strange that Bruckner, who was a famous organist, has composed only a few small organ works! If you compare with César Franck...

I will now create the last-to-be-created (?) page on the "Military march", which I propose to put by the "Other orchestral". --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 07:13, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Consider to include more on his organ improvising and perhaps call the article Bruckner and the organ, mentioning that one was named for him. There should be sources. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:20, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. I will see later what I can do. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:42, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Military march (Bruckner)

Dear Gerda,

I have the pleasure to let you know the page Military march (Bruckner) is created. This was the last page to be created. All Bruckner's compositions have now a page or an overview page.
I will now review all the pages one by one and correct, implement and update them if appropriate. Hopefully I will get Uwe Harten's Bruckner Handbuch as a present of my children at the end of this year.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:51, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Be proud! Minor: mention the Apollo in the lead, and place it after Music of the other, please. Is the name Military March? (then all capital) Militärmarsch? (then move) - or generic Marsch or no name? (then Marsch, WAB 116)

The name is Marsch in e-Moll, WAB 116. I have named the page "Military march" so that there would be no confusion with the other "March" (the orchestral Marsch in g-Moll, WAB 96), one of the Four Orchestral Pieces composed three years before.

I do not understand what you mean with "mention the Apollo in the lead". Should I mention in the first sentence that Bruckner used the Apollo-Marsch as a frame for his own march? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:24, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Whatever, - I was not prepared to any Apollo in the middle of the other ;) (and then return to music of the first). You could say "Marsch, WAB 116" vs. "Marsch, WAB 96", to match Ave Maria, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

I have put a lead to the "March in G minor" and vice-versa, and put the (slightly modified) "Apollo-Marsch" after "Music". I have also added a wl in the page Béla Kéler. Good so? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:43, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Found in C. Howie why this march was composed. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:07, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

FYI: You can hear Bruckner's Marsch, WAB 116 here[88] and Kéler's Apollo-Marsch (Mazzucchelli-Marsch) there [89].
You hear immediately that there were not composed by the same person. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:20, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Fairy tales

Ideallandschaft bei Mondschein

But, cherries also can appear in Christian folktales. Thus, in an old English Christmas carol, we are told how Joseph and Virgin Mary were walking through a cherry orchard and Mary (the mother of Jesus) asked for Joseph to pick her some delicious cherries. But Joseph refused, saying that she should ask the one who "brought thee with child" to pick the cherries for her instead of him. On that moment, the yet unborn Christ communicated with the cherry trees and asked them to lower their branches in order for Mary to pick cherries, and that happened, and Joseph repented for his attitude. Read more at Buzzle: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/the-symbolism-of-fruits.html

Hafspajen (talk) 17:15, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Gerda the Paradise cherry might come from some of the Spanish books. The article is loosely based on the Spanish article, and it is probably in some of the books they used. I guess they should be added if I haven't domne it yet, (check) as AGF source. But we better not make it a hook. Hafspajen (talk) 17:37, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Did you know that the dream image is top of my 2014 archive? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:04, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Hafspajen (talk) 22:11, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

CorinneSD, that guy is not you granny, but your child. See paragraph four, Basic overlap... this and that. Unfortunately- and much more to this-- see User talk:Adjwilley#Possible sock. They can change account, but they can't change their soul. Hafspajen (talk) 10:31, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Hafspajen Oh. Thank you. There is still so much I've got to learn... CorinneSD (talk) 16:22, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, well, I wish you should't need to ... This is also the explanation that CorinneSD asked ... its pretty complicated. Hafspajen (talk) 16:25, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I already read that. You provided a link in your first comment. CorinneSD (talk) 16:34, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately CorinneSD -this is 100% exactly the same and probably this too . Hafspajen (talk) 17:15, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Sure this is meant for me? - Thanks for Lucia, brightened my day! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:56, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda. This is a hard day for us Swedes, we are running around early in the morning and singing all the time.Hafspajen (talk) 16:26, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Shakespeare Insult Kit

Much amused, rather impressed and thoroughly disapproving that you are familiar with this disreputable concoction, though I admit I like it a lot. Tim riley talk 19:31, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Tim, for your admiration of another inspired (and literary and cultured) work of the author of Wikipedia:Disinfoboxes: a refutation! I found the spout first on the page of a friend of mine ;) - Once you are here: what do you think constitutes edit-warring? So far I thought 3 additions (or reverts) of the same thing the same day, but I may be wrong? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:41, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

I saw the kit on sale as a cleverly bound book in Hatchard's bookshop in Piccadilly last week, with top, middle and bottom sections independently bound, enabling the reader to switch randomly, but of course it has been around in various forms online for years. Don't look here for any wisdom about WP rules, Gerda! I plod on and hope for the best. When I encounter what I think is perverse opposition I say so, but otherwise I try to keep out of strife. Ever thine, Tim riley talk 23:28, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, especially for your hope for the best. Hoping the same, I would like your wisdom about said friend having been accused of edit-warring where she made a single edit. I know there's no justice on Wikipedia, but strive for a bit more fairness ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:36, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

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Bruckner's last page created?

Dear Bruckner,

Is Bruckner's last page actually created? There is a somewhat mysterious work, the authenticity of which is still controversial: the Symphonisches Präludium of c. 1876. It has not been put in the Gesamtausgabe because Nowak also doubted about its authenticity. The work has been attributed to Mahler, Krzyzanowski, Hans Rott and other Bruckner's pupils.

On the German Wikipedia there is a detailed page on it, probably because Hiltl and Cohrs are convinced that it is a work by Bruckner...

I had already put a quite detailed paragraph on this work on the page Anton Bruckner.

I have the performance by Neeme Järvi of the "Mahlerised" orchestration by Gürsching of the piano transcription, which indeed looks Mahler's, as well as two performances of 2010 by Baldur Bronnimann and Markus Stenz according to the original orchestral setting (Krzyzanowski's copy), which indeed likes much more Bruckner's. Recently a performance of the original orchestral setting by Michelle Perrin Blair has been commercially issued.

Should I also create a page on it on the English Wikipedia? Please advise, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:19, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

yes please ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:44, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

The page Symphonic Prelude (Bruckner) is created. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 21:52, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Infobox added to it. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:52, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Quite a story. For DYK, what would you say? - Please a bit more lead for readers in a hurry. Attributed to whom why, and likely truth. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:26, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

It is indeed an exciting story, nearly a soap opera! This "Symphonic prelude" is a curious work, a real mix of Bruckner's earlier symphonies Nos. 1, 2 and 3, and also 5 (the fugato likes on that of the finale of symphony No. 5), which is pre-shadowing symphony No. 9 and even its sketched finale. I agree with Cohrs' guesses, that the work was presumably sketched by Bruckner and given to his pupil Krzyzanowski as an exercise of orchestration, and was thereafter "forgotten".

I have removed the subtitle "Thirty years later" and added other ones, so that writers could better follow the succession of events:

* An unknown work by Anton Bruckner?

* A youth work by Gustav Mahler?

* The truth?

Is it better so? I think that it is of sure worthy for a DYK! Please proceed. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:22, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Better. First, we need to find a way to summarize all this in the lead. Can we have "by Bruckner" in the infobox without mentioning the question mark some would add? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:29, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

The lead on the German Wikipedaia is ass follows: "Das Symphonische Praeludium in c-Moll ist eine Orchesterkomposition aus dem Umfeld des österreichischen Komponisten Anton Bruckner. Die Rezeptionsgeschichte des kurz nach dem Zweiten Weltkrieg aufgefundenen Werkes ist unübersichtlich und führte zur Zuschreibung einer instrumentierten Sekundärfassung an Gustav Mahler, die bis heute in der Musikpraxis dominiert, obwohl die Komposition mit hoher Wahrscheinlichkeit von Bruckner selbst stammt." If I add a translation of its second sentence, is then OK? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:50, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, or in your own words. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:00, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Are you OK if I add the following: "The retrieval history of the work, which was discovered short after World War II, is quite confused. Tschuppik, basing his argument on the retrieved orchestral score by Bruckner's pupil Krzyzanowski, attributed the authorship of the work to Anton Bruckner. Thirty years later, Paul Banks, basing his argument on a four-stave reduction of the work, attributed the authorship to Gustav Mahler and asked for a re-orchestration of it. However, based on the original orchestral score, it appears that the work was more presumably at least sketched by Bruckner."? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:11, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Suggest: "The work was discovered short after World War II. Tschuppik (explain if not mentioned before) attributed the authorship to Anton Bruckner, based on the retrieved orchestral score by Bruckner's pupil Krzyzanowski. Thirty years later, Paul Banks (as above) knew only a four-stave reduction of the work, therefore attributed the authorship to Gustav Mahler and asked for an orchestration of it. Based on the original orchestral score, it seems likely that the work was at least sketched by Bruckner, possibly as an exercise in orchestration for his pupil K." ? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:02, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:24, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Suggested lead added and authorship nuanced: (first sentence and infobox) changed to "by Bruckner or his entourage", so that it also remains as neutral as possible. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:52, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the DYK! --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 17:19, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

I never got around to thanking you for this, but I do appreciate the words of encouragement. It meant a lot during the election. -- Calidum 05:35, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, you got around ;) - thank you for doing something revolutionary: introduce the phrase "common sense" in arbitration. If you get elected - you may not, because of that - keep it up there ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:25, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm still here :)

Hey there, thanks for the nice note. I'm still here although i don't get the time to edit much. Thanks again for your gentle thoughts. -Elias Z 06:51, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Prepositional

Gerda, please, how you read Adele Aus der Ohe ? Wouldn't it be Adele aus der Ohe ? The page had already been redirected from Adele aus der ohe by a Bot. It seems to me that MUGI, and the Sofie Drinker Institut, both German websites, give us a clue of how it should read already, don't you think ? Krenakarore ^TK 21:02, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Read it as you, said so on the talk. Takes an admin to move it, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Suggestion

When you raise an issue at a noticeboard ([91]), it is usually best to link to where the discussion of the same topic is currently ongoing (Talk:Magnificat in E-flat major, BWV 243a#Formally a cantata in this case), in order to avoid duplicate discussions, and/or something that might look somewhat like WP:FORUMSHOPping, and/or fragmentation of discussion, etc. --Francis Schonken (talk) 13:33, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

I would if it mattered, - in this case, however, it was a very general question which had been on my mind before you worded it, - actually since I replaced motet by cantata. - Define "noticeboard". You will have noticed that I rarely go to project talks classical music and opera, and never to an administrator noticeboard unless called there. - Finally: the way from your lovely tag to the talk of said page isn't too complicated I would think. Thanks for advertising the article, btw. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Re. "...if it mattered" – well it matters... "in order to avoid duplicate discussions, and/or something that might look somewhat like WP:FORUMSHOPping, and/or fragmentation of discussion, etc." as I said above. Please make clear in which of the two places you prefer to have the discussion on that topic, and link the other place to that discussion, tx. --Francis Schonken (talk) 14:09, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

I have no preference. You (!) asked in a position where people will possibly not look. I think it is a general question worthy to be discussed in a more general forum, - it's also just a factual question while I understand forum shopping rather as means to serve personal interests, like collecting votes. Keep simple, please. In case of an answer, I am willing to connect to the other question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:56, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

"Please make clear in which of the two places you prefer to have the discussion on that topic, and link the other place to that discussion, tx." – keep simple please, tx. --Francis Schonken (talk) 15:14, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

What in "a general question worthy to be discussed in a more general forum" remained unclear? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

"Please make clear in which of the two places you prefer to have the discussion on that topic, and link the other place to that discussion, tx." (bolding added) --Francis Schonken (talk) 15:22, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

no --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:26, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Compromise

Hi Gerda, I'm afraid the discussion is getting too derailed at Frietjes talk page, and I prefer not to clutter up other peoples talkpages too much, but I did want to respond to you about the compromise part, because I have strong feelings about it. What I view as one of the most important parts of Wikipedia, and wikis in general, is the ability to collaboratively build something. The importance in seeking compromise is in my opinion not watering down a position, but if one side proposes x, and another proposes y, to find an alternative z that may be completely different, that satisfies what both sides really want. That can be really hard, and it's really easy for me to say, since I'm ashamed to admit I hardly do any content work. If we succeed in doing it though, we're truly collaborating in that we as a community manage to do better than the sum of the parts. When we fail at that, we have to make do with meeting in the middle, which is the poorer solution. Sometimes even that isn't an option, and we have to make a choice between two binary options. I believe that if people would try more often to get to the first option of finding a different way that satisfies all parties, we would have less conflict in general. To me, it's always worth it to try to find a compromise where neither side has to give up what they really want, even if it turns out that no such compromise can be found. Best, Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 15:46, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for coming over, and I agree with everything you say. For others interested in my page: the related discussion was this. I think some people will agree that I am willing to go for z if I see one. However, a good story about compromise was from duo Yo-Yo Ma and Emanuel Ax, asked what they do if they don't agree on a tempo. Answer: we play it one day his tempo, one day my tempo, because a tempo in between would be good for none of us. - Some people will agree that I am willing to collaborate, even with users with whom I can't compromise on certain topics. - To believe that another user is not willing to compromise sounds a bit like lack of good faith to me, but I am not sure if I could express what I mean. - I am sorry, but no compromise is in sight for A Boy was Born. Reminder to self: a relevant discussion is on La voix humaine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Good points, I'm tinking them over. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 20:15, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Broken incoming links

Hi Gerda, you might want to have a look at a discussion that I've started at Wikipedia talk:Moving a page. Thanks, Bazonka (talk) 08:26, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

I replied already, but that was my last word in the matter. Primary topics come and go like fashion. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:40, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Piano Sonata Hob. XVI/20

Hi Gerda, I don't understand this edit summary at all ... in some ways my latest edit made the article more closely reflect what the source said (in terms of the IMSLP link ... with the MP3 file it's kinda irrelevant). Graham87 14:07, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I think I understand what you were aiming at. However I'm not aware of any classical music articles that use IMSLP descriptions in that way. It seems a bit redundant to me, because it's perfectly clear that the link leads to the score of the piece that the article's about. Graham87 14:15, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

All my articles quote what the library says, even if wrong. If it's terribly wrong, I don't use the template, but write my own link ;) - The library uses the name the sonata is known by, it might as well be shown, together with "our" (not mine) wish for house style and consistency. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:21, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

because you are a good peaceful watcher

Fylbecatulous talk 17:36, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the "thanks" today

That episode is so depressing - so predictable, and yet so deeply stupid - that I'm closer than I've been in a while to giving up on the whole place. Your support helped. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:52, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

You made my day, which started sad, and then I wrote another article about someone who died, - look, I mentioned you, sort of ;) - play on, please --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:21, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

First of all, how do I not already have your talk page watchlisted Gerda? We keep bumping into each other via one thing or the other, it only seems natural. Secondly, Floquenbeam I'm sorry if I came across rather brash earlier. I really dislike bad faith assumptions right off the bat. I seriously dislike blocks - they need to be used as a last resort each and every time they're used. I don't want to debate the validity of the block any further. Your efforts to deescalate the situation show that you're a kind and caring admin, something of a rarity around here. We need more people like you. Dusti^{*Let's talk!*} 21:32, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy Lucia!

Happy Saint Lucia's day!

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"Good Morning" Gerda Arendt:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia!
13 December is the day when Swedes perplex the rest of the world by showing up way too early in the morning dressed in white tunics, candles in their hair, singing and bringing saffron buns and breakfast in bed to nice people. Hope you have a bright day!
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Sachsen Hymne

Guten abend Herr Arendt. Can you find a source and some meaningful content?♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:35, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

No ;) - "Herr" is also not very meaningful ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:42, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Oh yeah you're female, sorry, I thought Eric had driven them all away  ;-)♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:31, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Eric, leading the oppose group with 13% women and you, against the majority with not a single woman as far as I know, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

I wish things had not been framed that way. Someone thought they could go after Eric Corbett and it boomeranged with the result that a troll got banned. The fact that that particular troll happened to be a woman shouldn't have been the focus of the thing. Oh, but wait, same troll accused me of being a man. Such a confusing world in which we live... Montanabw^(talk) 04:18, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

The good lord works in mysterious ways!! There is justice after all (that queen bee Carol got her comeuppance).♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:16, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Magdalenenkirche, Hildesheim

Gerda, I finally realised what you were trying to do on Narcissus and why, because I did not know you had moved the target page, so I fixed the redirect problem, although it was not really a problem.

Speaking of churches, since I noticed you on Meistersingers today, where I added reference to the Katherinenkirche, I was wondering if you felt it was worthwhile adding a page on this church - there is one in the German version at Katharinenkloster Nürnberg. Michael --Michael Goodyear (talk) 05:29, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Good idea for 2015. I am only cleaning up for this year ;) - Links to articles in other languages best with {{ill}}, example {{ill|de|Katharinenkloster, Nürnberg|Katharinenkloster Nürnberg}}, resulting in Katharinenkloster, Nürnberg, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:21, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

I agree that the latter is more informative for containing the (de) tag, but I really do not like redlinks. I try very hard to replace them with actual pages. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 13:01, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

I agree that an article is better than a stub, which is better than an inter language link, which is better than a direct link to another language (they should not exist), which is better than a red link, which is better than no link if notability is there. I created several stubs instead of ill (3 yesterday), but ill is the next best thing to do, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:23, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

So I started the page - Katherinenkirche, Nuremberg and changed the links. It looks like we agree on most things! --Michael Goodyear (talk) 15:15, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

I moved it to Katharinenkirche, Nuremberg and established the connection to the other languages by going to German and adding it.

Yes I had to throw something together in a bit of a rush, before going out, but somehow I knew you would not be able to resist having a go at it. :) Danke schön --Michael Goodyear (talk) 21:27, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Bitte, macht Freude ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:31, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Belated thank you note

Thank you very much for your kind words and glad that you have liked my work.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 17:41, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia needs more like you

Thanks, Gerda, for your kind note on my Talk page. You're the best. TimidGuy (talk) 11:43, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

TFA

(I usually reply on my own talk page, but I'm replying here since the former is a bit cluttered.)

Thank you for the note, Gerda. I wasn't around during this Raul debacle, so it's good to hear some different opinions to clue me in. It seems to me that some people just leave or become inactive because they are busy with 'real-life' pursuits. Your note also proved my assumption that we're all pretty neurotic around here! In any event, it seems quite clear to me that Raul's absence has nothing whatever to do with the current mini-controversy over the TFA. Raul's decisions were always consensus-driven, if I remember correctly, so I believe that the article would have been featured today anyway. Not to mention that those who scream "pruriency!" are usually unconcerned with how things actually work.

Wishing you a fine Christmas and holiday season,-RHM22 (talk) 18:01, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! - I wouldn't even call a "debacle" when someone (as linked) calmly reports about life with cats. - Today's article was about a book, right? - See also. Off to rehearsal, Gloria, but that's for after Christmas. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:21, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

O Lamm Gottes, unschuldig

Perhaps you could expand from German.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:13, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

For Good Friday, yes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:14, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Compare Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:28, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Hans Wallat

Mike V • Talk 08:44, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Bruckner's Motets by the Cantores Carmeli

Dear Gerda,

I have added to the selected discography of 8 motets (In jener letzten der Nächte (choir setting), Tantum ergo WAB 42 (second version), Ave Maria WAB 6, Afferentur regi, Inveni David, Locus iste, Tota pulchra es, and Ecce sacerdos magnus) the CD/DVD of the Benefizkonzert Karmeliternkirche Linz of 2006 issued by the Cantores Carmeli, because the conductor Michael Stenov has also put these 8 motets on YouTube, with the sung text on the video. The readers, who does not have a CD with the concerned motets, can so enjoy them.

Apart of their CD/DVD the Cantores Carmeli have also put their Christus factus est WAB 11 of 2007 on YouTube[92]. Should I also mention it?

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:51, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Thanks for sharing the music! - DYK two more people died whose articles I wrote, Hans Wallat and Janis Martin? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

I will then also add their Vexilla regis of 2011.[93]

They have also put on YouTube parts of the Messe für den Gründonnerstag: Sanctus & Benedictus and Agnus Dei, and the Mass No. 2: Messe Nr. 2 in e-moll, but these live recordings have well background noise... --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:29, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Bruckner's masses on YouTube

There are good live performance on YouTube of the Requiem by Maija Breiksa (2012), Mass No. 1 by the DePaul Community Chorus (2012), Mass No. 2 by the Universtätschor München (2012), and Mass No. 3 by Igor Andrieskiy (2008). I will also put links to these performances on the Wikipedia pages. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:45, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Done. I have added also live performances of

• the Windhaager Messe by Pagliarini,
• parts of the Messe für den Gründonnerstag : Christus factus est by the Choir Exultate, Dextera Domini by Oligotett Con So Nett and Sanctus, Benedictus & Agnus Dei by the Cantores Carmeli. Unfortunately, there is no live performance available of the Credo.

--Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:14, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Really appreciate your support

Your work at TFA has been key to its success. - Dank (push to talk) 19:41, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

The "cleaning lady of TFA" blushes ;) - Did you know that I once scheduled an article? - Getting rid of the points was a dream come true, the templated requests another. - I could imagine just one simple calendar list where requests go and get discussed, an extended pending list ... - but don't want to limit your imagination ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:51, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Sure, feel free to suggest anything at WT:TFA. Brian and Crisco are handling scheduling, I'm checkling lead sections at FAC and writing the TFA sections for the Main Page (and learning a lot about Bencherlite's writing style, I plan to copy him). - Dank (push to talk) 21:54, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

I found that writing blurb is quite a challenge, if you want to keep the author's (sometimes flowery) style AND get the essential facts in the small frame. DYK is a good practise for that ;) - Did you see today's? 4 days between writing and appearing, that's rare these days. - 2015 looks off to a good start ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:04, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, quite a challenge. - Dank (push to talk) 23:04, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Opernhaus am Taschenberg

Harrias ^talk 09:14, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Performances on YouTube

Dear Gerda,

I have added other good performances on YouTube, for which there are obviously no problem of copyright:

• Mass No. 2: Dresdner Kreuzchor. We have so two good performances of the mass.
• Piano works: Erinnerung and Fantasie (Hemetsberger), and Stille Betrachtung an einem Herbstabend (from Japan)
• Motets: Ave Maria, WAB 5 (from Japan) & WAB 7 (two faithful performances), and Os justi and Virga Jesse (Universitätschor München).

We have to be prudent with YouTube, on which there are a lot of pirate copies... --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:23, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

I have found on YouTube good performances of the String Quartet (Filarmonica Quartet, 2013) and the String Quintet (Castleman Quartet, 2013). I have added them too. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:07, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

I have also added good performances from YouTube of the Te Deum (Montserrat, 2010) and the Psalm 150 (DePaul Community, 2012), as well as of the following motets: Libera me WAB 22, Pange lingua WAB 33, Iam lucis orto sidere (3rd setting), Salvum fac populum tuum and the four Tantum ergo WAB 41 (1888 version). --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:34, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Eggs

By the way, you remember our Egg-Project?? Hafspajen (talk) 23:48, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Paradise Circus, Birmingham

GTG. Picture? Note I added User:Pigsonthewing as a cocreator. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 01:51, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

For your thoughtfulness and kind words. I am humbled but appreciative. Most of all, thanks for recognizing the importance of music.--Reedmalloy (talk) 01:56, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

To a very special person....

		Seasonal Greetings and Good Wishes
		Christmas greetings for 2014, and best wishes for 2015. Let's continue to help each other – here's to another year's successful editing, more Bach cantatas, more identiboxes, and down with the trolls, vandals and bores. Peace on earth and goodwill to all! Brianboulton (talk) 19:24, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin

The DYK project (nominate) 23:27, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!
May 2015 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls or vandals! All the best Gavin / SchroCat (talk) 09:33, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Mayer Cantata, WAB 60

The DYK project (nominate) 11:41, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello Gerda
First, my compliments for the season, and my apologies for raising Cain so close to Christmas. You gave me a lot to mull over a week or so ago (though real life has stopped me replying sooner) when you reverted an edit I made on The Rite of Spring (on which I have opened a discussion, btw); not just that, but your user page, containing your hit list (I've made some responses to the ones that interest me; you'll find them all on my contributions page, though you've already noticed them, I think). But I think I am mostly taking issue with your notion that the English WP would be improved if it was written more in German (which I have also addressed, in a general way, at the WP:GERMANY talk page. Anyway, see you around, Moonraker12 (talk) 11:54, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Sorry about contradicting you every now and then, especially now refuting that I think "that the English WP would be improved if it was written more in German". All I believe is that we might keep German (Latin ...) names in German (Latin ...), rather than trying to translate not very precise names to something even less precise. - We say Gloria, and people understand. Peace ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:02, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Music? Night fish?

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The Night Song of the Fish

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by Christian Morgenstern

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Beautiful sound of silence ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:03, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

I always imagined it sounds like bloub ..... bloub ...... bloub. Hafspajen (talk) 13:48, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	This Barnstar is awarded as a token of appreciation for your community service and the good work you do on the project herein. Kierzek (talk) 17:02, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Seasonal Greets!

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2015!!!

Hello Gerda Arendt, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you a heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2015. Happy editing, starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 03:34, 20 December 2014 (UTC) Technical 13 (talk) 04:01, 25 December 2014 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

Philipp von Steinäcker

Beste Gerda,

Ich habe ein schönes Weihnachtsgescheck von Hans Roelofs empfangen: ein CD mit den 18 Bruckners Kirchenliedern von Philipp von Steinäcker (Motetten von Anton Bruckner, Vocalensemble Musica Saeculorum, Leitung: Philipp von Steinäcker).

Sehr schön gesungen! Schade, daß es keine öffentliche CD davon vorhanden ist!

Habe ein schönes Wochenende! --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:57, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Danke! Wir singen, morgen, Montag, Mittwoch, Donnerstag, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:05, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Mit Fried und Freud (Buxtehude)

Harrias ^talk 12:01, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Ah ... I love a bit of fried food, don't you? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:50, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Ah, - peace and joy makes for a good edit summary, admired already, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:29, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Buon Natale

May you have a very Happy Christmas, Gerda...

and a New Year filled with peace, joy, and beautiful music!

Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 17:59, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, inspiring! - Thank you, all above, - please be back here for my music later, - we are still rehearsing "Vom Himmel hoch, da komm ich her", will take four more days, - peace and joy is not "it" yet, and a Missa for Advent will be sung tomorrow ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:06, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

		Season's Greetings and Good Wishes
		Best wishes for the season and the new year. Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:57, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, also for the TFA! I loved the collaboration on the wheelchair-basketball players! Will support an RfA if you go for it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:20, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Missa Tempore Quadragesimae (Michael Haydn)

Harrias ^talk 12:01, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Merry Merry

To you and yours

FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:37, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Best wishes for a happy holiday season

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Best wishes for a happy holiday season II

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		Season's Greetings! This message celebrates the holiday season, promotes WikiLove, and hopefully makes your day a little better. Spread the seasonal good cheer by wishing another user an Awesome Holiday and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone with whom you had disagreements in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Share the good feelings! Joys! Hafspajen (talk) 02:03, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Magnificat in E-flat major, BWV 243a

Hello! Your submission of Magnificat in E-flat major, BWV 243a at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 10:04, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Nadolig hapus

Martinevans123^{Santas Grotto} ... wishes you and yours:

"Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda"

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May the true spirit of Christmas bless you with warmth and peace!

Thank you, and you above, and repeated: I will post tomorrow, here, be back for spirit ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:57, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Prost!! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:03, 23 December 2014 (UTC) wikt:iechyd da

Bestowing a gift of holiday peace and cheer

To Gerda, I wish you peace and happiness at Christmas. Happy Holidays from Fylbecatulous! May the coming year lead you to wherever you wish to go. -- Fylbecatulous talk 15:15, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Greetings

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year

Frohe Weihnachten und

alles Gute zum neuen Jahr!

Wesołych Świąt i

Szczęśliwego nowego roku!

Linksmų Kalėdų ir

laimingų Naujųjų Metų!

Sca (talk) 16:00, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Elegy

I'll be happy to move the elegy to a later prep. I was just trying to avoid having bullets fired at the White House in the Christmas prep. I've been searching all over for a church hook; perhaps you could approve Template:Did you know nominations/San Luis Obispo de Tolosa Parish Church and we could run with that. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 11:36, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I promised (myself) to stop at review #100 and have company, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:40, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	To a gracious, tireless, resilient, helpful and altogether very special Wikipedian. Frohe Weihnachten! Bermicourt (talk) 16:51, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy Holidays...

	Happy Holidays...
	and may the coming year bring peaceful melody accompanied by joyous harmony. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 19:39, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Gloria (Jenkins)

Harrias ^talk 00:03, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Nollaig

	Nollaig shona duit
	Best christmas and new year. Another year down, and so much more to write. Thanks for all your contribuitions and being part of the community. Hope January is at least resonabally tolerable for you. Ceoil (talk) 09:40, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, in peace already in December ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:01, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Magnificat in E-flat major, BWV 243a

Harrias ^talk 12:02, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

• Thanks Gerda for the nice comment on my page. The Nativity was in part inspired by the work you do for special occasions! Victoria (tk) 13:06, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for an image I particularly love, and your inspiring words! I did a few things for Christmas this year, BWV 243a (on the Main page now), St. Cecilia Mass (new, just a start, - couldn't believe we had no article yet, sang it in the service today) and A Boy was Born (will be on the German Main page tomorrow, when we still celebrate). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:53, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed (though not the St Cecilia). Christmas is wonderful in your part of the world; I have many fond childhood memories of it. Have a sip of Glühwein and a nibble of Lebkuchen for me! Can't get those here. And enjoy your day. Victoria (tk) 14:11, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

For you

Dear Gerda,

I wish you a merry Christmas and a happy New-year full of beautiful choir music. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:26, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! I liked this version of my greeting better, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:42, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

;) Wunderbar und ebenso alles Gute Serten II (talk) 10:31, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Seasonal greetings

	Merry Christmas and best wishes for a happy, healthy and productive 2015!
	Ruhrfisch ><>°° 14:50, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

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Wishes

Season's greetings and Christmas wishes to you Gerda. I noticed you left a message on my talk and then undid the same. If there's anything else I can assist you with, feel free to ask. Great to see you around. Wifione ^Message 15:57, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

I was helped, thank you. Watch my greets to the world, please, it was a difficult birth ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

I shall :) Best. Wifione ^Message 17:23, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Mele Kalikimaka

Have a bright Hawaiian Christmas!--Mark Miller (talk) 16:38, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! - We sang bright music, see above (or here) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Uwe Harten's Bruckners Handbuch

Dear Gerda,

I have just acquired Uwe Harten's Bruckners Handbuch (544 pages) - ISBN 3-7017-1030-9, a major reference book, which I was missing. It will be, in addition to van Zwol's book (782 pages), a second important tool for completing the pages devoted to Bruckner's compositions. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 18:04, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas!

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Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2015!!!

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A Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year Gerda Arendt :) Best Wishes! TheGeneralUser (talk) 23:21, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Yuletide greetings

	Merry Christmas!
	I ran out of lumps of coal, so I'm distributing leftover children. Happy holidays! Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 00:34, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Season's Greetings!

Pdfpdf (talk) 11:33, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Maybe next year Ill be earlier and cleverer ...

Happy Christmas!

	Happy Christmas!
	Happy Christmas, Gerda! You are precious! Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 15:41, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Vor Arneths Grab, WAB 53

Harrias ^talk 00:03, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Military march (Bruckner)

Harrias ^talk 12:03, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Margot (opera)

Harrias ^talk 00:01, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Very nice user page

You have one of the most upbeat positive user pages I have seen on WP. :) AlbinoFerret 13:50, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! It helps to have seen misery and not be willing to accept it. I used to sign "* incredibly toxic personality" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:09, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

I know about misery, and the trap it represents. I try to keep a positive outlook, but it can be hard. The Lord places challenges in our life to make us shine in the end. I just wish I was able to see the end result during the trial. I did have a smile on my face after googeling the music at the top of your user page. I think I will try and do some work tomorrow and play some of it in the background. AlbinoFerret 02:01, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Wonderful! The Christmas music will stay at my images, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:54, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

WoW thank you very much for the wonderful post on my talk page. I will be keeping that one up.  :) AlbinoFerret 16:22, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks =)

Hello,

Thank you very much for the recognition for my article work. It has spurred me on to make sure that I am more productive in 2015 (providing I can find the time to log on!) It really means a lot when someone gives credit for contributions - no matter how small their edits. I hope we are able to work in collaboration elsewhere (though I have no doubt we shall disagree further as we fight to improve the encyclopaedia in our own way). Please keep up your fantastic work in encouraging editors.

Thank you ツStacey (talk) 21:31, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Disagreement is normal, and fine if the other person's point of view is respected. I don't perceive myself as fighting, but that's of course wrong, as our highest authority proclaimed ;) - Looking closer at my own actions, I find that I do fight if I see an innocent victim in danger. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:32, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment

I thought I'd reply to your comments at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment here, since it's a bit off-topic. Yes, reducing the number of templates can be beneficial but that's not always the case. For example, Andy has now nominated {{Infobox Rome episode}} for deletion (again). In the process, and regardless of the outcome of the TfD, he has removed code from the template that now opens the way for somebody to justifiably create two additional templates. Andy has a narrow focus and doesn't always look at the big picture. As for your statement about always using {{Infobox person}}, that's great in theory but there are 213 templates in Category:People infobox templates and you'll see resistance in some projects to that template. I've seen far too much resistance to using Infobox person in musician articles and other projects insist you use "their" template. Instead of making a minimal template that can be embedded in Infobox person they insist on a full infobox that usually concentrates on project specific fields instead of the normal fields we see in BLPs. --AussieLegend (✉) 15:19, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Reducing where appropriate is always beneficial, just in a few cases it may not be appropriate. - As for person, I use that one only (practically, not in theory), especially for classical composers. (There, you are not asked to use "their" template, but to use no infobox at all, - see Talk:Beethoven#Infobox.) I don't tell others to do the same, and accept that there are different possible ways. - The clarification is about Andy only being restricted regarding articles, not deletions and merges also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:01, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

ps: Now that I read your comment over there, "Andy has a narrow focus when it comes to templates", I am tempted to respond once more, but not enough, - I try to stick to two comments in whatever discussion. Consider to think about it and perhaps modify, especially on the background of "Comments here should be directed only at the above proposed amendment." (To be honest I fail to see what your whole comment has to do with the clarification.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm well aware of the issues with classical composer articles. Remember this discussion? "Where appropriate" is key, but because Andy doesn't look at the big picture, his nominations are not always appropriate. He has nominated templates for deletion, with a recommendation to be converted to a wrapper, but a wrapper is still a template, so nothing is really being achieved in the long run. In cases such as {{Infobox Rome episode}} he's nominated it for deletion and removed code that will pretty much ensure that two templates are created. If the infobox is deleted we'll then have two templates to replace part of it. If it isn't, we'll have three. I thought the relevance of my comments was obvious. Others have argued that no clarification is needed but, as I said, people see Andy nominating and renominating infoboxes for deletion. They assume, since he is indefinitely banned from discussing the removal of infoboxes", that he has violated that restriction as TfD is effectively discussing the removal of infoboxes. If the restriction applies only to articles, then it needs to be clarified to prevent more AE requests being filed. On its own, the occasional nomination is no big deal but Andy nominates and renominates so many that he upsets a lot of people, which is why his actions are more likely to result in an AE request being filed. Clearly, clarification is needed to head off such things. --AussieLegend (✉) 16:56, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Repeating: I fail to see any of this relevant to the current (!) clarification request. Some have "assumed" in previous requests for enforcement that the restriction was for more than articles, always dismissed. The request is to clearly say it's only for articles. - That some wish it were different is known well enough, see post by Francis for example. It would take an altogether different process to change to include other than articles, as should also be known by now. - Keep in mind that the arbs are tired of the topic, change in a few days, - and look at Talk:Beethoven#Infobox: the infobox wars are over. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:29, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

ps: I asked the candidates for arbitration, and was pleased with the answers, especially those of the ones later elected, bottom line: "no foul, play on". A good motto for the new year ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:53, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Thanks for making this year a little happier for me. Wishing you all a wondrous 2015, and hope to cross paths more frequently here on WP. Best! Julie JSFarman (talk) 16:14, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

lam lucis orto sidere DYK

Hello! Your submission of Iam lucis orto sidere, WAB 18 at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! RHM22 (talk) 04:03, 30 December 2014 (UTC) P.s., I know that Réginald was the author of this article, but I'm leaving this here since you're the nominator. I hope you're having a nice last few days of the year!-RHM22 (talk) 04:03, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi, Gerda. Happy Christmas and a joyous New Year to you! I have been recording some unaccompanied ballads this summer and singing much better since I had a wisdom tooth out on the top left. I tried to get the dentist to remove the one on the other side but apparently it is unethical, so my resonance is slightly lop-sided! However the Tibetan chanting through the Great Scale is working wonders for my Zen as well as my vocal production. Are you listening to Bostridge on Winterreise (Radio 4 this week)? I hope you are on top form and making sweet music Eebahgum (talk) 04:20, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing singing! Mine on top until tomorrow. Jenkins is rather rough, less sweet, 2015 plans include Bach Missa, Jenkins Gloria and Te Deum, Rossini mass, Mozart and Fauré Requiem, the letter exceptionally sweet, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:25, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

New Year 2015 Greetings

	Wishing you a Prosperous 2015!!!
	Hello , New Year begins, let us pray that it will be a year with New Peace, New Happiness and abundance of new friends, God bless you through out the New Year.--Nvvchar. 02:43, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! I support most of it, but I am happy with my old friends, some banned, some who left, some with ideas that came too soon, some regarded as incivil ... ;) - My own greetings are in the making and will be posted up here when the new year begins, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

In convertendo

Hi Gerda. I see you wrote the article In convertendo Dominus relating to the van Nuffel setting. I am intending to write about the Rameau setting. Do you agree to move your article to, say, In convertendo Dominus (van Nuffel), and making the present title a disambig page, therefore allowing In convertendo Dominus (Rameau)? Best, --Smerus (talk) 10:12, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

What do you think of making In convertendo Dominus an article about the text, as we have Christus factus est, and the two others as you say? Perhaps just Nuffel, as we would take just Beethoven? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:20, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

My share: I moved to Nuffel, made redirect from Van Nuffel, fixed links (at least all in articles and archives, - was mentioned on DYK twice, once with a New Year's cantata ;) - You are free to make the present redirect to an article or disamb page, if needed. You could also just apply a hat note to Rameau for now. Follow the links to the Nuffel setting for surroundings where Rameau should also be mentioned, - not my personal memories, of course ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:49, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda! I wish you a very happy, healthy and contributive new year. Making an article about the text, and then two separate articles, seems a good idea, I will return to this in the next day or two. Best, --Smerus (talk) 17:56, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the good wishes which I return, adding peaceful and playful (found dealing with Arbitration clarification, of all places)! All you have to do if you want to write on the text is replace the current redirect. I will write on a different text tomorrow ;) - was just listening to Toccata and Fugue in D minor, BWV 565 on our church organ, with pleasure, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:15, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

OK have now made In convertendo Dominus article, will get on to Rameau eventually. --Smerus (talk) 14:09, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

After that, could you have a look at BWV 22, for FAC? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:57, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year Gerda Arendt!

Happy New Year!

Gerda Arendt,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. Hafspajen (talk) 10:42, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

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I'm borrowing Hafspajen's banner to also send you Happy New Year wishes, Gerda!! Atsme☯^Consult 13:29, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Some Modern art

Eugene Ivanov (artist)

Hafspajen (talk) 11:58, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Beautiful light? Title? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:16, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

• Well, something ...Nad střechami  ? This guy is a little bit of a problem, Eugene Ivanov. But I think is is really good! Hafspajen (talk) 13:18, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Oops, not Yevgeny Ivanov (spy) but Eugene Ivanov (artist). Weird to redirect like that. Hafspajen (talk) 16:07, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Dear Gerda Arendt,
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! A new year has come! How times flies! 2015 will be a new year, and it is also a chance for you to start afresh! Thank you for your contributions!
From a fellow editor,
--Fylbecatulous talk 13:12, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
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Let's wish for a great 2015

Throughout Great Britain there are many celebrations across the island, particularly in Scotland. London: thousands gather along the Embankment on the River Thames to watch the fireworks around the London Eye. The New Year officially starts when Big Ben strikes twelve. Scotland: there are many unique customs associated with the New Year. These form the Scottish celebration Hogmanay—the Scots name for New Year's Eve. The street party in Princes Street in Edinburgh is one famous example. Wales: Calennig is celebrated, with celebrations attracting thousands of people to the capital, Cardiff. Happy New Year! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 21:13, 31 December 2014 (UTC)|}

Thank you! - I will post my wishes on top here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:16, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year

		Happy New Year !!!
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Thank you for your generous cheers, - I stay here, response on top ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:21, 31 December 2014 (UTC)