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Notability Tag

How to remove Notability tag in this article Sumit Pathak? Anupamsuwar (talk) 05:54, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

@Anupamsuwar: Thats described in the box. You would need to add reliable (no user-generated content) independent sources (no interviews or press releases) with significant coverage of the subject (not yust passing mentions) to show that this topic meets WP:ANYBIO. If such sources cannot be found, the topic my be not siutable for Wikipedia. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 08:09, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Over-referencing does not help. The article does not need five references to confirm his place in the contest, nor seven refs to confirm multi-country tour. David notMD (talk) 10:36, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

@David NOTMD: Won't the notability tag remove?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Anupamsuwar (talk • contribs)

courtesy ping David notMD --Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:06, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I cannot read the language of the references, and so cannot answer as to whether those are reliable secondary sources. Thus, I am not qualified to remove the tag. My comment was only that there are too many references in support of two of the facts (his place in a contest and the multi-country tour). Reducing the number of references will not address the reliability concern. David notMD (talk) 14:41, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

List of biologists

Having worked off and on with the List of biochemists since June I now have it in a state which corresponds better with how I think it ought to be (though as recently as today I noted two distinguished Israeli scientists who needed to be added). Others may think I've created a mess: if so, please let me know.

Anyway, I've started on the List of biologists, and have reached end of the letter A. However, as I'm a biochemist and not another sort of biologist I have less confidence in my judgement as to who should be listed. They need to have a Wikipedia page, of course, but what else?

I have a more specific question on which I'd like advice from experienced editors. Many entries contain notes like "(abbr. in botany: F.Allam.)" (at least three under A, many others under other letters). I can see that botanists want to know these abbreviations, but they can easily find them in the pages on the people concerned, which are all linked. How important are they for general readers? If I delete the whole lot will I be blocked for vandalism? Athel cb (talk) 14:00, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

My opinion is leave in place. While the information is also available at the articles about the individuals, it does no harm by being retained in this List article. In fact, a general reader's curiosity might be piqued by the information to visit the article. Botanist readers will be pleased by the inclusions. David notMD (talk) 14:47, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I need help in creating and publishing a Wikipedia Page for the company I represent

I am trying to create a page for the company I represent. My account was auto-confirmed today. But I do not know and I am confused on how to upload the article or publish it in Wikipedia. Please help. Daralnoble (talk) 13:17, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Daralnoble Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. First, you need to please review the conflict of interest and paid editing policies for information on formal declarations you are required to make.

Regarding your question, please understand that Wikipedia does not have mere "pages", it has articles. Those articles should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Any article about your company should not generally reference information from itself, such as press releases, staff interviews, the company website, announcements of routine business transactions, and other primary sources(which are not acceptable for establishing notability). Wikipedia isn't interested in what a company says about itself, only in what others choose to say about it. Most people in your position have great difficulty writing in this manner, though it is not impossible.

If you truly feel that you can write as I have described, and with a neutral point of view, you may use Articles for Creation to create and submit your draft for review by an independent editor. You should not directly create any article about your company yourself even if you technically are able to. Please note that even if you succeed in having your draft accepted, you would no longer be able to edit it directly, and would need to submit edit requests. Please note that an article about your company is not necessarily a good thing. Any article about your company could be edited by others, and you cannot lock it to the text that your company might prefer. Any information, good or bad, can be in the article as long as it appears in an independent reliable source. 331dot (talk) 13:26, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Daralnoble: Before making any edits, you need to appreciate that we are not here to help you promote your company. We do therefore expect paid editors like you to already have learned a litle about editing and understand how Wikipedia works and to edit competently. I have placed some key links on your talk page in a welcome message for you. (You might wish to do that before thinking of diving straight in with the ost challenging of tasks here - creating a page about your employer) You must first make an obligatory declartion on your userpage of your PAID editing, per the guidance in the link I've just given you. (Being an employee or representative, you are very definitely paid). Having then read this essential page on our notabilty criteria, you would ned to find at least three independent, detailed and in-depth sources which talk about your company. They may not be insider newspapers, own websites, social media or PR material. Having assembled those together, you would write your article based solely upon what those sources say about your company, and not what you want to say about it. This is critical. You would create and submit a draft article through this articles for creation page, and await feedback from one of our volunteer reviewers. You are paid; we are not, so you would have to await your turn in the review process. Normally, staff members rushing to create an article fail abysmally, as they cannot see past their Conflict of Interest. If we point you towards guidanace or policy pages, we expect you to take the time and trouble to read and follow them carefully before returning here with further questions. If you want a quicker idea of your chances, just tell us the company name and we can take a quick look and save everyone some trouble if its one of the millions out there that are 'not notable' and stand no chance here. See WP:PROMOTION to understand that we are not here to help anyone publicise the company or their products. I hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:22, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes, Thank-you a lot for that in-depth information. And i ask your pardon for the incorrect use of words (pages instead of articles) due to my infancy with Wikipedia. I understand the wait period of getting the article accepted and will sure write the article accordingly to the rules and regulations. Once again wholeheartedly thank you for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daralnoble (talk • contribs) 14:50, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Daralnoble: To be clear, I wasn't correcting your use of words exactly, just trying to get you in the right mindset, as creating a page is different than creating an article. I apologize for causing confusion. 331dot (talk) 14:56, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@331dot: There is no need of a sorry please, getting guided by someone in such circumstances are really appreciated. And this information was an eye opener for me as a new user. you guidence with writing and uploading the article is being a great help and I am sure who ever else comes across this section will be very thankful. Daralnoble (talk) 15:15, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

please review my draft

thanks Draft:Give toes 216.125.35.209 (talk) 15:40, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Congratiulations, you have created a draft! Seriously though, that draft has an exactly zero chance of ever getting accepted. Maybe reading Encyclopedia should help you understanding. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:45, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Note: Page now deleted and IP editor blocked. Nick Moyes (talk)

Conflicts on interest

Hi I created an account to update and make fuller a bio i wrote for my father Monty Meth (age 94) It was taken down although I do not understand the reasons why. There is nothing controversial in it. he is the source of most of the info and we would rather it was on WIKI whilst he is still with us.

Can you explain how I get it on line and if I can't post it can somebody else on our behalf

Thank you in anticipation

Ian Ian.meth (talk) 16:17, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Ian.meth, the article is still here - Monty Meth. Giraffer ^munch 16:23, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Ian.meth, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that, if the source of most of the information about him is himself, then however wonderful a man he may be, he does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and no article about him will be accepted. As an encyclopaedia, Wikipedia insists on all information in its articles being available in reliable published sources, so that a reader can check its accuracy. (There are many old articles which need cleaning up or deleting on that account, but we are more careful about what we accept nowadays). Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 16:25, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Ian.methYou might find Everybody wiki better suits your purpose.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:05, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Hopefully everything is fine

Hey! I'm a Wikipeida editor who has been here for a while, and I have just volunteered to create a Wikipedia page for my new company, Megaputer Intelligence. My COI disclosue is on my user page, and a draft of the article may be found in my sandbox. I think I have done a good job with my sourcing, but since this is my first time editing with a COI I thought I'd run it past you just in case. What do you guys think? Sam at Megaputer (talk) 02:14, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Sam at Megaputer, the thing that stands out to me is that basically the entire article is on the products Megaputer makes. There's a lot more to an encyclopedic profile than that, though. E.g what's its history, how many people does it employ, how is it doing compared to its competitors, etc. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:41, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Sdkb: For sure. As far as I can tell, the history/culture of the company has been covered very little in independent sources. I still haven’t looked through them all, but if I did that it would probably have to be with sources from Megaputer. Another editor has suggested that the article may need to be about PolyAnalyst (the software Megaputer makes) rather than the company. This seams reasonable, as almost all of the company's coverage is about its software. What’s your opinion on Megaputer as a source on self for history? Sam at Megaputer (talk) 12:07, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Sam at Megaputer, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for being open about your COI. I'm afraid that if the company has been covered very little in independent sources, then it is not notable, and an article about it is impossible. The same is true for the software: if there are no non-trivial independent sources about it then it is not notable, and no article about it is possible. You can use the company's own publications as a source, but only in very limited ways, and they do not count towards notability (for either topic): see PRIMARY. --ColinFine (talk) 16:12, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your input, Collin. What I’m seeing is that the software appears to be notable, but the company may not be. Everything I’ve read about the company so far was really about the software. Unless I can find some new sources on the company I’m probably going to scrap the article on Megaputer and just make it all about the software. That also solves the history problem at the same time. Sam at Megaputer (talk) 18:22, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Editing wikipedia

I have no idea how to edit/update a wikipedia article, in particular: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden. Do I need to learn HTML or some such? Is there an easy way for a non-technical person? Dcnewkirk (talk) 22:57, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Dcnewkirk, hello! Try WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 23:06, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hi Dcnewkirk. You might want to take the Wikipedia:Adventure because it’s one way to learn about Wikipedia and Wikipedia editing. As for the Hunter Biden article, it has been protected by an administrator because of some serious disruption; so, some accounts may be unable to edit it.

In addition, there are additional restrictions placed upon the article at the moment because of the contentious nature of the subject matter in order to try and ensure that the article content's remains in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines (such as WP:BLP).

Assuming that your reasons for wanting to edit the article is more WP:HERE than WP:NOTHERE, the best thing you could probably do is post/propose suggestion at Talk:Hunter Biden and be WP:CAUTIOUS. Before you post anything though, please read the notices listed at the talk of the article’s talk page and make sure not to violate any policies or guidelines with your posts. — Marchjuly (talk) 23:16, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

How to Archive Talk Pages

Hello Teahouse!

I would like to inquire about archiving talk page discussions. Is there a template for adding this feature?

I am a paid editor for Julie L. Green and am also looking for any resources containing COI guidelines for editing and maintaining the Talk:Julie L. Green page.

Thank you for your time. I appreciate how helpful this page is. KaitlynCK (talk) 03:41, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@KaitlynCK: The COI guidelines should be at WP:COI or pages it links to. It seems like you've correctly found how to submit edit requests on the talk page. I don't see any need for archiving at this point; both the article and your talk page have just a few entries, and it's better/easier for other editors reading them to keep them together until they get to an unreasonable length. Archiving is discussed at WP:ARCHIVE, for future reference. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 03:54, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@KaitlynCK: When you add a reference to a section on a talk page, it's best to also add {{Talkref}} at the end of the section so the references are kept together with that section, like this:

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This is a section

Some text.

References

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(normally it's a level-2 section heading; it's a level-3 heading in this example for display purposes) For example, see Talk:Julie L. Green, where I added {{Talkref}} after the comments in each of the four sections that had references. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 04:12, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Ahh! Thank you, AlanM1. Wow this makes the references much easier to read. Thank you for your help. I really appreciate it. KaitlynCK (talk) 01:48, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Question about making article on video game

Hello! I'd like to make an article about a game that me and my team are publishing and releasing in couple months, and I happen to be old Wikipedia editor (not really on English wikipedia, but still)

I know this probably gets asked 10s of times a day here probably, but, what qualifies it for Wikipedia-worthy article? I will not be using my own material, even though external articles or coverages does not exist, the game has lots of official material (Steam store and other different store pages, official website with its own wiki, and is overall mentioned in social media a lot)

Can I go ahead and try submitting the article? if not, when would it qualify? if any official magazine/article posts happen from reviewers and such? Thanks! Nika1010 (talk) 05:30, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Nika1010. See WP:42 for more details, but basically only subjects considered to be Wikipedia notable are deemed accetable to have a stand-alone article written about them. Since "Wikipedia notable" is kind of a broad term that might be hard to assess in some cases, various subject-specific notability guidelines have been developed over the years to provide additional guidance. In the case of video games, you might want to look at WP:NVIDEOGAMES for reference. If you have any more specific questions about whether the game you want to create an article about is Wikipedia notable, a good place to ask would be at WT:VG since that's where you're likely to find editor knowlegable of the subject matter.

Of course, you can always go it alone and create an article yourself, but I suggest starting a draft and then submitting it to Wikipedia:Article for creation for review when you think it's ready. Even though you're not required to do so, working on a draft and then submitting it for review might make it easier for others to help you develop the article to help ensure that it doesn't end up quickly nominated or tagged for deletion once it is added to the article namespace. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:45, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Nika1010, it will qualify (in Wikipedia's terminology, "be notable") once it has been discussed at length in several reliable independent published sources. Sources that won't contribute to demonstrating that it's notable include: articles written by its creators, articles based on press releases, advertisements for it on Amazon etc, posts to blogs or social media. Once there a few in-depth reviews in reputable journals, you'll have a chance of getting an article accepted. Read that link to "notable" if you need more information. And you're dead right about "10s of times a day". Maproom (talk) 05:54, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Surprised at result of page protection request

Is this normal? I’ve been trying to keep a hoax out of the Panela article, ongoing (well before my involvement) since June 2016. I am only the latest in a long, long line of (registered) editors reverting this vandalism.

The result of my request -

Pending changes: Persistent vandalism, which inserts exact same hoax-like text and mislabelled gallery image. Identical edit has occurred since at least June 2016 from various IPs - some of which have been blocked in past, (e.g.[1], [2]) for persistently inserting and then un-reverting this unsourced nonsense, and some not, (e.g. [3], [4]).

Despite trying to quickly revert the edit over last week or two, as many others have done in the recent past, it is soon replaced. As I am also an IP user, I do not want to be seen to be a disruptive editor, but nor do I want this unsourced, silly misinformation disseminated through WP. 122.105.187.37 (talk) 03:56, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected for a period of 6 months, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 07:05, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

was: a more restrictive – and possibly less effective - level of protection was applied, without explanation; and my editing has been characterised as ”edit-warring”, despite all my caution, talk page comment, and over-explaining eggshell-walking.

Wonderful treatment of newcomers! I feel so welcomed. Why didn't I barge in and throw my weight around as I see others do on WP, instead of going to the trouble of politely pussy-footing around? I got a slap in face just the same!

I am really surprised at how badly I feel, but I am completely gutted: No good deed goes unpunished!

What did I do wrong?

 122.105.187.37 (talk) 10:04, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

The spurious Australia mention is out, and the article is semi-protected. I see no mention on your Talk page about you being accused of edit-warring. I'd count that as success. David notMD (talk) 10:19, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Please see above link, also here again: [1]. It's not on my talk page, it's on the edit summary. 122.105.187.37 (talk) 10:25, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

i.e."edit warring by IPs without discussion" 122.105.187.37 (talk) 10:27, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @122.105.187.37 You did just the right thing, thank you. I have left an 'only warning' for the other IP editor. As David says, nobody left you any notice at all - the only thing I see is an edit summary explaining why the page on Panela was being 'page protected' for 6 months. It might have been slightly clumsily-worded, but it was not a criticism aimed at your editing, just an overall justification of why pp was being introduced. I don't think you needed to have interpreted it as criticism of your editing in any way at all - sorry if you think it did. You also did the right thing in leaving a note on the article talk page - something you can refer back to if it ever happens again. I'm sure you are aware that we don't block editors for 'edit warring' if they are reverting vandalism - this one was a bit more subtle, and it was hard for me to see which of two similar looking IPs were causing the problem, and which was restoring damage. It makes it easier when editors are registered, though there's no obligation on anyone to do so. Just appreciate that we do see a lot of edit-warring IPs, even if this wasn't the case here. (I've added the page to my watchlist, too) Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:09, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your confirmation that my actions weren't disruptive @Nick Moyes:. And you're right: I needn't have interpreted the edit summary as a criticism of my editing - except for the fact that's what it clearly says: "IPs edit warring without discussion", (note the plural IP's'. Only the vandal and myself are recent IP contributors).

As for being clumsily worded, it's factually incorrect. A simple, and accurate summary is "persistent vandalism". If, as you say, it's difficult to see which IP did what when you looked at the page history now, imagine how much more likely it is that down the track, some busy Admin will glance at the history, note the "edit warring" justification for the page protection, and put me in the "disruptive editor" basket? All L235 had to do to get an accurate picture was click on the links I provided in my page protection request.

I am very grateful for the time you took to reply to me though, and for placing the page on your Watchlist. I do worry that the full editing protection is a bit unnecessary and wondered if there was a reason @L235: went with that, rather than the "pending changes" level I suggested. 122.105.187.37 (talk) 00:05, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear you're disappointed and frustrated by my protection summary. I apologize sincerely. At RFPP the job of an administrator is to identify disruptive behavior, not necessarily who is engaging in it; that night I was tired and did not take the care that you rightfully expect from administrators in writing that summary. The edit summary is primarily to justify the protection, not to provide a determination of the appropriateness of anyone's conduct. However, I clearly caused problems with my edit summary and for that I am sorry. As for semi-protection vs PP protection, I generally disfavor pending changes and will not apply it to articles as frequently edited as Panela absent exceptional circumstances. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 00:15, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Not to worry, @L235: Kevin. I can see from the responses of all three people who have kindly written here, that I have over-reacted, and over-personalised.

Put it down to the excess sensitivity of a newcomer! I was just so alarmed at my own temerity in boldly suggesting that a page be protected, I managed to get all overwrought about an imaginary slight. (In particular, if you are going by my “gutted” comments, please just ignore those last couple of sentences. I’m going to write in big letters, “I must not react on immediate feelings” and place on my laptop, where I can see it.)

Thank you for your very patient response; it’s really appreciated. 122.105.187.37 (talk) 06:44, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Request to modify title-"Marie Curie" to "Marie Sklodowska-Curie"

Hello,

I can’t change the Semi-protection article, but I think the title should be modified-change "Marie Curie" to "Marie Sklodowska-Curie." I believe this should be a respect for great people, so I want to apply for related changes. But because I don’t have this permission, and I haven’t found anyone who can be contacted on the "Contact us" of WIKI. So come here for help , Thank you again for your assistance!

Best regards, 132.178.238.28 (talk) 05:51, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia's policy for naming articles is to use the name by which the subject is usually known in publish English-language sources. Thus "Tony Blair", not "Anthony Charles Lynton Blair" or even "Anthony Blair". You can often use Google's ngrams to check, e.g. [2]. Maproom (talk) 06:01, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP 132.178.238.28. The relevant guideline we try to follow in a case like this is WP:COMMONNAME, which is the Wikipedia way of saying pretty much what Maproom posted above. Just for refernece, this seems to have been something discussed several times before. If you go to Talk:Marie Curie and enter "Skłodowska" in the "Search archives" window in the talk page header, you'll see quite a few discussion have already been held about this. Perhaps by reading through those discussions, you'll gain a better understanding as to why the article's title is what it is. Of course, you're welcome to start a new discussion about this on the article's talk page, but any attempt to change the title of the article without a proper discussion is going to likely be seen as editing against the established consensus regardless of who tries to do so, and almost certainly reverted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:17, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Has my article been sent for review?

How do I know my draft article has been submitted for review. Here is the link to my article : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Laborate_Pharmaceuticals_India_Limited Allin96 (talk) 07:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Allin96. No, the draft you've been working on hasn't been submitted for reveiw yet. I've added a template to the top of the page that contains a blue "Submit your draft for review button!" that you can click whenever you think the draft is ready.

I noticed that you've uploaded File:Laborate Logo.png to Wikimedia Commons under a claim of "own work", and that you also uploaded File:Laborate 1985 logo.png under a similar claim. Are you somehow connected to "Laborate Pharmaceuticals India Limited" or did you create the logo for the company? The copyrights of corporate logos like this is generally owned by the company the logo represents and you shouldn't be uploading files that you don't own the copyright on to Wikipedia or Commons as your own work or without the WP:CONSENT of the copyright holder. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:29, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Answering back on the Teahouse

How do i reply to someone who has answered my question in the Teahouse. Im able to ask using the Ask A Question, but after someone replies i unable to figure out how to answer back/thank them. Allin96 (talk) 08:01, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Allin96, if you wanted to respond to Marchjuly, pretty much like you just did. Additionally, take a look at WP:INDENT and WP:PING. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:14, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Allin96: If you want to reply to someone, put their username in the {{reply to}} template, which will notify them (as I am doing in this line). Here's an example:

{{ping|Marchjuly}} Thanks for the response!

produces:

@Marchjuly: Thanks for the response!

Alternatively, use the {{u}} template, like so:

Thanks {{u|Marchjuly}}, I have a followup question.

produces:

Thanks Marchjuly, I have a followup question.

Both formats will send a notification to Marchjuly, in which hopefully they will soon reply. Check out Help:Notifications for more info. Hope this helps! ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 08:21, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Ganbaruby, in your reply, you failed to mention the WP:SIGN. Pings don't work without it, and it must be in the same published edit as the template. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:35, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Yup, basically remember to sign with four tildes! ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 08:43, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Allin96 (talk) 08:56, 25 September 2020 (UTC) Thanks Ganbaruby

@Allin96: FYI, that notification worked. However, please sign with four tildes at the end of your comment. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 08:58, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Rapala photo

Hello there, in the Rapala article, if you hover over the "Rapala" it shows no photo, and I was wondering if there was a way to add a photo to the thing... sorry I can't really describe it, but I will try to answer any questions you ask. Cheers, User:Shadowblade08 (talk) 03:01, 21 September 2020 (UTC) User:Shadowblade08 (talk) 03:01, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

For me, clicking (Ipad) shows the logo. What sort of photo are you looking for/expecting? There are nice photos of lures, in the article... Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 04:06, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello there, and Thanks, (I added only one of them, though) what I was saying, was that on a MacBook, (what I edit with) when I hover over the "Rapala" link, it doesn't show anything, unlike other links. Does this help? User:Shadowblade08 (talk) 14:44, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

@Shadowblade08:, I am so sorry, I have no idea. Perhaps someone else can help....Best of luck to you, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 21:14, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Tribe of Tiger! I can certainly ask someone else, and in fact, I may just drop the subject in the end... it probably has something to do with my "view", and I suppose its different on a iPad compared to a MacBook. Thanks for the help, and Cheers! User:Shadowblade08 (talk) 21:17, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

If you mean the wordmark "Rapala®" at the top right of the article in the infobox, then it is already an image, with a link that says "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rapala_Logo.svg", which when clicked will take you to an enlarged version stored on Wikipedia Commons as an .svg file. Michael D. Turnbull (talk) 10:51, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Michael D. Turnbull, but what I meant was if your on a different page, and you then hover over the word Rapala, it shows no photo. Shadowblade08 (talk) 01:31, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Shadowblade08. Are your referring to to Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups? if you are, then try checking your WP:PREFERENCES. Go to the top of your screen and click on "Preferences", then go to "Gadgets" and look for "Navigation popups: article previews and editing functions pop up when hovering over links". When that box is checked the navigation pop tool will be enabled. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:32, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

The other thing that catches people out is that "page previews". are by default OFF if you are currently logged in to WP but ON if you are viewing the site while not logged in (i.e. for most readers, who don't have accounts). Thus the behaviour when you hover over a link differs according to your logged-in status. Again, this can be changed in preferences in your account settings. Michael D. Turnbull (talk) 09:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Not just deletion, but "speedy deletion" :-(

Hello everyone! I'm new to Wikipedia and wrote my third article, Kilma S. Lattin I had pretty good results with the first two, but this page was tagged for "speedy deletion" this morning, about 30 minutes after I posted it. I have since made a few edits, as well as pressed the blue "Contest" button. Would anyone have time to take a look, and give me some other advice about what I could edit? Possibly weigh on on whether you think it reads like a promotion? It doesn't seem overly promotional to me at all. I do like to write about people who do really exceptional things, but then there are a lot of biographies of exceptional people on Wikipedia. :-) I hope that the editors will agree. It would be great to get more positive representation of living Native Americans on Wikipedia. Thank you in advance! Even though I'm new, let me know if there's anything I can help with. Excited to be on the platform. CHelmuth HLMC98 20:35, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I've removed the speedy deletion tag but I can see why it was placed. I had to read very carefully before I could convince myself 1) that this person likely meets the bar of WP:Notability but it's not a sure thing, and 2) the content can be trimmed way down so the "spam" rationale would no longer apply. Major trimming and cleanup is required. As is, this MIGHT go down at WP:AFD if someone made a WP:Blow it up and start over claim, but probably not. If any seasoned editors want to jump on over and start trimming, please do. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 21:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I have started the process of gutting the article. Editors experienced in trimming out the fat are welcome to go to the talk page and help. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 22:30, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Article length reduced by ~2/3 and ref count from 60 to 21. What remains is probably an article that qualifies for notability. David notMD (talk) 09:07, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

confirmation of this page

How will i come to know if my page is confirmed, and how long will it take it. Ramkumar Singaram1808 (talk) 10:04, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Ramkumar Singaram1808, hello! If you are referring to User:Ramkumar Singaram1808, that is your WP:USERPAGE. It is meant for writing, a little, about what you do on Wikipedia and perhaps a little about who you are. If you want to write a WP-article about yourself, don't, it's (almost certainly) a waste of time, see WP:Autobiography. However, if you want to try anyway, take the time to read WP:YFA carefully. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:28, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

About British nationalities

This IP located in Japan has been - and currently is - going around changing "the UK" to "England", "Scotland", etc. and is changing the nationalities in lead sections and userboxes of British personalities' articles from "British" to "English", "Scottish", etc. These are the only edits by the IP. I feel these edits are unnecessary. I reverted a few of these edits but the IP reinstated them. I don't want to get into an edit war, and I don't think the IP's going to stop. What should I do? Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 07:05, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI. Disputes like this are probably best resolved by starting a discussion on the article's talk page and see if a consensus can be established either way. Techinically, the IP shoud've been the one to do that per WP:BRD and WP:DR, but they didn't. You're correct to try and avoid edit warring since neither you nor the IP is likely to WP:WIN and both of you would most likely end up blocked instead.

You might find some guidance in Wikipedia:Nationality of people from the United Kingdom, but I don't think any thing is going to be accomplished by further trying to discuss this with the IP on their user talk page given what's taken place there so far and it's more likely one of you is going to post something that's just going lead to more serious problems.

So, use the articles' talk pages and ty to get others involved. If you can establish a consensus in your favor, the IP will be expected to honor it; if not, the same will be expected of you. Since multiple articles seem to be involved, you might want to ask about this at WT:UK and then add links to that discussion to the talk pages of each concerned article. This might help to keep the discussion centralized and also eliminate redundancy. You should also as a courtesy politiely notify the IP of the discussion; they might choose not to participate, but they won't be able to claim they weren't notified.

Finally, the IPs location is irrelevant and you should be very careful about trying to use that in any arguments you make. You also should be very careful in trying to dig up more information about the IP. You should focus your argument on the content being discussed and how relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines apply, not on the IP. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:51, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Marchjuly. Yes,I think I will leave the IP alone, and I don't think there's much else to be done. I don't want to make a mountain out of a molehill... Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 08:00, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI: All credit to you for recognising the error in questioning their location/nationality, and for apologising directly to them for that. I was very unimpressed about the way they reacted to you and have formally cautioned them on the need to be CIVIL. Regards from the UK (where I regard my nationality as British and my country of origin as England, which therefore makes me English as well as British.) Oh, and you might be interested by this. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:17, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes Thanks. And yeah, that play was interesting... Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 11:21, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Review my draft

Can someone review this short article I wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Laborate_Pharmaceuticals_India_Limited Allin96 (talk) 12:12, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Teahouse volunteer hosts are not all also draft reviewers. You draft has been submitted. There are more than 3,000 waiting for a review. Could be days, weeks, or months. The process is not a queue - each reviewer look at the list and picks out what they want to review next. Be patient. David notMD (talk) 12:29, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Visual editing

I got constructive feedback on my entry and I want to improve it, but my entry showed up without the visual editing option in "Edit", but only "Edit source". Could someone please explain how to make Visual editing possible? It will take so long to figure out the other way of editing. Thanks a lot. Sand7043 11:53, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

You have two drafts. Which one? Draft:Sigvard von Sicard has been reviewed and Declined.Draft:Harald Philip Hans von Sicard is submitted but not yet reviewed. When I looked at them, both had "Edit" as an option. David notMD (talk) 12:20, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Sand7043 Whilst David notMD may be seeing both editing types ('Edit' and 'Edit source'), you might not. This is simply because your individual User Preference settings are probably different. So, go to the top of any page in desktop mode and look for the 'Preferences' link. From there go to Preferences>Editing and look for the 'Editing mode' option within the subsection labelled 'Editor'. Make sure you have "Show me both editor tabs" selected, and then save your settings. Going to any new article should then reveal both of the editing tabs. From that start you can then change your overall editing preferences. I find having both options available is extremely helpful, but within both of the editors there's a black pencil icon in the upper right of the page which lets you 'Switch Editor'. Let us know if that has got your problem solved. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:00, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Infobox

Good day, in the infobox if I'd like to add citations on two items but with one/same source, how do I do that? Thanks. Willygeorgina (talk) 15:55, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Willygeorgina. You can reference the same source multiple times in an article by using named references. See that link for an explanation. --ColinFine (talk) 16:20, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine: So helpful. Thank you so much! Willygeorgina (talk) 14:57, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

How to fix age in infobox?

On the Android 11 page, the infobox shows General availability as "September 8, 2020; 12 days ago". This is very strange since today is September 25, so the age should be at least 17 days ago. 104.35.46.117 (talk) 15:20, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP user, I have fixed this by purging the page. The dates must have been cached in the server, which is why they were not updating correctly. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:32, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Setting up COI and changing article name

Good day. I am not sure what to do to declare that I am the owner of the brand and that there is not COI yet it is implied that there is. I am also trying to change the name article name in order to prevent confusion. JohnGWE (talk) 16:58, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, JohnGWE, and welcome to the Teahouse. I take it that this is in connection with the Mr Gay South Africa and Mr Gay World articles.

You should probably add a statement to the page JohnGWE that you are the owner of the brand, carefully specifying exactly what brand you claim to be the owner of. Note that this does not give you any special rights to control or own those articles -- in fact it puts you under restrictions on editing those articles greater than those faced by a random uninvolved editor.

You should also declare a Conflict of interest with those two articles, either on their talk pages, or on your user page, or better, on both. See WP:COI for how to do that.

You should not edit the articles directly except to revert clear vandalism, or to correct uncontroversial factual errors with a cited source. Otherwise use {{request edit}} on the article talk page. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Dear DES Thank you for your assistance.

(edit conflict) Hello JohnGWE, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm a bit confused, because you seem to already have had lots of questions answered on this topic, both at the Help desk and after your successful unblock request. If you own a brand or company about which you want to make changes, there's nothing to be ashamed of, but will most certainly have a conflict of interest. Just declare it on your userpage - it's better than not doing so. There are instructions how to do that Here, with practical details in this subsection. Because you no doubt gain financially from that ownership, we would interpret that as 'paid editing'. So, if you plan to do more than request a page move, you are obliged by our policies to declare that connection. See WP:PAID for further details. Yes, there can be a lot of our guidelines to wade through, but we rely on openness. Does this answer your outstanding question (the one about page renaming appears to have been answered elsewhere)? Nick Moyes (talk) 18:15, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Dear Nick Moyesif you are confused then you must know how I feel - give an event to organize and I am in 7th heaven but dont give me a document with all the cross references. Apologies for any inconvenience caused JohnGWE (talk) 18:53, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@JohnGWE: LOL! Don't worry John, all that follows below is a bit over nerdy, even for the Teahouse. Just do your best to make a declaration, and we can help you out if you get confused. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:32, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Actually, Nick Moyes in my experience we do not generally interpret editing by the owner of a business as paid editing, although there would clearly be a financial COI in such a case. The hallmark of paid editing is that someone else is in a position to instruct the editor what to write. Writing about one's own business is like an autobiography: strongly discouraged but not forbidden and not considered paid editing. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:22, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I wonder if that should be clarified in the paid editing policy, because I too have sometimes treated a business owner editing about their business as a paid editing relationship as they derive income from their business; The policy states "A paid contribution is one that involves contributing to Wikipedia in exchange for money or other inducements." A business owner is clearly induced to contribute about their own business if they are doing so in a promotional manner. I don't mean to discuss this here, just saying. 331dot (talk) 18:59, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Thanks, David. That's an interesting one. When I go to WP:COI and look at the section on paid editing there (shortcut WP:PE), it states An editor has a financial conflict of interest when they write about a topic with which they have a close financial relationship. This includes being an owner, employee, contractor, investor or other stakeholder. It refers to this as paid editing and then goes on to link to the WMF Policy at WP:PAID. Thus, if I were the owner and CEO of Nick Moyes Acme Widgets and wanted to edit the article about my product or brand, I would interpret that I not only have a 'conflict of interest' but that I am receiving financial benefit from the sales of my widgets, whose profile I have helped raise by my edits. Thus, not only should I, but I must follow WP:PAID and declare my connection and financial benefit as owner/CEO, or face being blocked for undeclared paid editing (UPE). Note that 'How to disclose' at WP:PAID links back to the WP:PE section in the WP:COI page. So, I would probably put the following userbox on my userpage, along with a note explaining that I am the owner/CEO of my widget company, thus:

This user has publicly declared that they have a conflict of interest regarding the Wikipedia article Nick Moyes Acme Widgets.

With a note to introduce me, maybe something like: "Hi I'm Nick. I am the CEO of Nick Moyes Acme Widgets, effectively a non-profit company which only fails to make a profit because I am so absolutely useless at making and selling widgets. I don't intend to edit that article much, but I will undertake to make any edits to that page as neutral as a can. My hobbies are voodoo and welding, so I shall also spend some of my time editing those articles."

Then, on the talk page at Talk:Nick Moyes Acme Widgets I would place the following (deleting any 'nowiki' bits in chevroned brackets, of course)

{{Connected contributor (paid)|User1=Nick Moyes|U1-employer=Nick Moyes Acme Widgets|U1-otherlinks=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Nick_Moyes&type=revision&diff=980121861&oldid=975883638&diffmode=source}}

I realise this is semantics, but my interpretation of policy is that company ownership is 100% paid editing, and should be declared as such. But please let me know if you disagree with my interpretation. But as far as poor old JohnGWE goes, he just needs to do his best to make it clear on his USERPAGE it's his brand, and we can guide him if he cocks it up! Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:06, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps I was mistaken about the PAID aspect. In any case, the connection does need to be declared before JohnGWE edits any further on any of the articles where his brand is involved. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:08, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you DES and Nick Moyes - maybe someone will bring out a Idiots Guide to Wikipedia with singular links with instructions for example - to create a userpage click here and copy the following and edit the relevant information. Same with the rest. I will take the weekend and go through everything slowly and figure out the userpage / coi / paid things so that I comply and update the pages and hope they dont get changed back :-) Thank you all so much for the assistance up to date - I really appreciate it. Regards— Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnGWE (talk • contribs) 06:12, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi JohnGWE. If you want to create a user page, just click on your user name. It's only red at the moment because so such page exists. When you click on your user name a new edit window will open up where you can add content much in the same you've added posts to this discussion thread. When you've added what you want to add, click "Show preview" to check how things look. When everything's the way you want it to be, click "Publish page" and your edits will be saved. If you want to change things later on, just repeat the same process. As long as your user page is not one of these, you should be fine.

As for I will take the weekend and go through everything slowly and figure out the userpage / coi / paid things so that I comply and update the pages and hope they dont get changed back, I think what Nick and DES are politely suggesting is that you don't try to update the pages yourself, but instead propose the changes you want to make on the relevant articles' talk pages as explained in WP:PSCOI#Steps for engagement. Having your proposed changes assessed by others who don't have a COI is more likely going to reduce the chance of them getting changed back. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:37, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Marchjuly I THINK I got it right. If I did I should get a gold star ;-) Thank you to all for your patients and assistance. Much appreciated. JohnGWE (talk) 08:19, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

OOPS! I think I did it wrong (again)! I wanted to create a new article / page and I followed the steps on Google and this is what happened https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JohnGWE/sandbox "have head need wall" What did I do wrong? JohnGWE (talk) 08:48, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

The main problem, JohnGWE, was that you copied content from http://issuu.com/pinkloeriemagazine/docs/pl2017companyprofile-version-3, and http://www.pinkloeriefoundation.com/history/ and tried to post it to Wikipedia. Even if you or your company holds the copyright to that, which we cannot verify, there is no release under a free license on either page. The second URL carries a copyright symbol. Wikipedia simply will not accept copyrighted content that has not been verifiably released under a free license, even if the poster says that s/he holds the copyright or has permission. See WP:COPYRIGHTS. There seem to have been some other problems with the draft, but that is a killer -- copyright violation are typically deleted on sight. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:29, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Dear DESiegel Thank you very much. I will try and rewrite the article. It really took us almost 3 months to write and fact check the article before I published it back in 2012 :-O but I understand and appreciate the assistance. Regards JohnGWE (talk) 16:11, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

How can i add a new page with images and all for a Nigerian Content.

Good day, Please i want to add pages for MODE MEN Magazine and other (an individual, the Editor of Mode men)

i request guidance.

i also want to be a contributor to wikipedia. Nnstega (talk) 16:41, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Nnstega! If you mean that you want to write WP-articles about those, take the time to read Help:Your first article carefully. On contributing, see WP:TUTORIAL and get into it! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:49, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

How do I create a page and put files on it?

Can you please help me create a page + put files on it? Also, I am new, so can you help me edit Wikipedia?

 Holly2017 (talk) 13:20, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@Holly2017: Please clarify: Are you tring to create an encyclopedia article, or are you trying to create some other sort of page?. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:55, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

See WP:Your first article. Articles must be about something that meets Wikipedia's definition of notable. In passing, please stop uploading images that have no potential for ever being used in an article. David notMD (talk) 17:05, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

I am really struggling - Can someone help me build a wikipedia page?

 Bran Symondson AK47 (talk) 16:16, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

The first thing is to see whether you can find references to published reliable sources to demonstrate notability. After that, you can use those sources to build the article, see WP:Your first article. David Biddulph (talk) 16:26, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Bran Symondson AK47. Please understand that:

• writing about yourself on Wikipedia is strongly discouraged
• promotion is strictly forbidden.
• A Wikipedia article is not for the benefit of the article's subject. Nor is it in any way under the control of the subject.
• Wikipedia is not interested in what you know (or what I know, or what any random person on the internet knows). Wikipedia is only interested in what has been published in reliable sources. If there is ever an article about you, it will be nearly 100% based on what people who have no connection with you (and have not been prompted or fed information by you or your associates) have chosen to say or write about you and been published in reliable places. --ColinFine (talk) 18:24, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Bran Symondson AK47. There are several problems with User:Bran Symondson AK47/sandbox.

• First of all, there are no citations. Statements should be supported by citations to reliable sources, preferably independant secondarysources.
• Secondly, the draft is rather promotional. Such phrases as globally renowned, famous great portrait, His artwork is sold globally and each piece is completely different. are not acceptable unless cited to a named person whose opinion they are. Name-dropping is also not a good idea.
• This is why autobiographies are strongly discouraged on Wikipedia.
• The draft does not demonstrate compliance with WP:NARTIST or WP:NBIO, and in short does not establish notability. Only notable subjects can have Wikipedia articles. Cited sources are needed to demonstrate notability.
• There are also formatting issues. Boldface is way over-used. It is normally used once in the opening sentence for the name of the subject, and rarely if ever later in the article. Bulleted lists should start with asterisks on each line/item.

In short that is a long way to go for this to be a valid article. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:52, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

"This article has an unclear citation style."

I don't understand why the article, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Burch, has been flagged with: "This article has an unclear citation style. The references used may be made clearer with a different or consistent style of citation and footnoting. (October 2019) (Learn how and when to remove this template message"

Can someone please point out the issue specifically so I can correct it. Thank you.

Diane SoCalArchitect (talk) 17:21, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@SoCalArchitect: The main issue I see is that the websites have no publisher specified. I'd recommend using the "cite" button in the visual editor, which supplies fields for you to fill in for author, date, publisher, etc. Some information on creating citations using the visual editor can be found here: Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User_guide#Adding_a_new_reference. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:32, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Have removed, the template didn't apply to that page. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:48, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@SoCalArchitect, Calliopejen1, and Þjarkur: That tag was added in this version when some citations used templates and others used urls plus descriptions. That is mostly fixed, but even now many of the citation not only do not supply a publication date or author or publisher (which are optional, but desirable), they do not give the name of the publication or website being cited. I am going to restore the tag. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

I've personally viewed {{Unclear citation style}} as only really fitting for mixed <refs/> and inline Harvards (mixed majors styles) since its wording is so unclear. I've added a custom cleanup template with an explicit request for what info is missing. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:24, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

A.T.P.T.W.A

is there a way I can play the adventure game ●●●● Bdetfehigj (talk) 20:03, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@Bdetfehigj: Are you looking for Wikipedia:TWA? Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:39, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Pending draft submissions

Hey guys. I've had 3 draft submissions pending for several weeks at Draft:Joseph Hayat, Draft:Justin Picard and Draft:Cynthia Umezulike, and the backlog only seems to be growing with each passing week. If there's any willing reviewers who'd take the time to have a look, that would be appreciated. Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 09:37, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Presumably you wish to speed up the moment you get paid? Most of us here are volunteers, please don't try to game the system for your own financial gain. Theroadislong (talk) 09:45, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

There's a queue and a backlog. Also, WP:NODEADLINE applies, which overrides you and your clients' desire to get some spam on here. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:48, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Davykamanzi As of 23 September, Hayat and Umezulike Declined, Picard waiting for a reviewer. Actually, it is not a queue. Reviewers look at the list and decide what they want to review. So, days, weeks, sometimes months. David notMD (talk) 21:43, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Need Citations for Crystal Light

I am having trouble finding a source for when Crystal light was created. On the Wikipedia article, it states it was made and sold in 1982, but other than the article itself and one other source that mentioned it in passing, I can't find any other resources stating it was made in 1982. The official website, kraft foods, had a FAQ section about crystal light, saying that it was sold in 1984. Which source should be added as a citation for the article? SkippSeven (talk) 14:47, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@SkippSeven: Here is a 1982 source referencing the existence/availability of Crystal Light.[3] This 1982 source says it is in "test market" phase.[4] This 1983 source says the same.[5] Unfortunately, you can only see the volume number and publication name and not the article title, page, etc. But I think it's clear that it existed at least in some places as of 1982. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:34, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@SkippSeven: This source says "Crystal Light went national in April, 1984." I'm a little concerned though because the date given by Google in 1982. I think this means that there is a single bound volume of multiple periodical issues that started in 1982 but went for some time after that. Which undercuts my prior collection of sources. Let me think a bit more about this. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:45, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@SkippSeven: Here is a 1982 newspaper article stating that it is in test markets. Another article of interest. This is a 1994 article with the 1982 date. I would write that it was introduced to test markets in 1982 and sold nationally beginning in April 1984. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:57, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@Calliopejen1: Thank you for the help! SkippSeven (talk) 17:05, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Did you try searching the company annual reports. They will sometimes mention the launch of a new product.2605:E000:1301:4777:7811:4FC0:E9A3:96B8 (talk) 18:00, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

• If you encounter further research questions, the folks at the WP:Reference desk are very good at sleuthing out those sorts of facts. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:30, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Need help with this

 2600:387:1:809:0:0:0:55 (talk) 23:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

What do you need help with? Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:19, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

stub article coding

What is the coding to add stub to an article? 2605:E000:1301:4777:7811:4FC0:E9A3:96B8 (talk) 17:58, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

You can just add {{stub}} to the bottom of the article if needed. There are a million specific ones that you can use instead, but there are other people that can fix that eventually. To find more specific ones, just Google for example "wikipedia russian musician stub template", which brings you to {{Russia-singer-stub}}. – Thjarkur (talk) 18:01, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

This WP search might be a little better to find stub-marking templates with the word "Russia" in them. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:25, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Removal of bad faith messages

I deleted some messages in this revision as I thought they were bad faith messages as they assume I am lying and I am evading a ban.

Was I right to do so?

Eyebeller (talk) 20:07, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

​You are free to remove messages from your own talk page as you see fit. – Thjarkur (talk) 20:45, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Eyebeller. Just to clarify; you're free to pretty much remove all messages from you're user talk page, but there are certain posts you're not supposed to remove as explained in WP:BLANKING. However, if you remove something, it's going to be assumed that you read it and understood it; so, you can't claim later on that you were either unaware of or not properly warned about something. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:39, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

​​ Ok. Thanks for the clarification from both of you. Eyebeller (talk)

need help with references

Central Point, Oregon's wikipedia page has an outdated population. I do not know how to make references and would like to cite this website: https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/central-point-or-population. Firestar9990 (talk) 19:58, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't know anything about worldpopulationreview.com. The US Census Bureau gives a population of 18,130 as of 2018[6] (different than what worldpopulationreview.com says), which is what I would use. I'd use the "cite" button in the visual editor to make your citation and go from there. See Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User_guide#Adding_a_new_reference for more help. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:47, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@Firestar9990: Alternatively, see WP:ERB. I agree that, when it comes to things like populations, an official source (i.e., a country's statistics agency) is preferable. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:41, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

How should I format a literal translation

Should it be (Literally: "_______"), (Literal translation: "______"), (Literally "______"), or (literally:/literally "________")? JessWess99 (talk) 21:45, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@JessWess99: I highly doubt we have any particular guidance on this. (someone correct me if I'm wrong.) They all seem fine to me. If one is preferred, another Wikipedian will come along later and switch it to the preferred one. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:49, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

JessWess99, I'd format it to something similar to the language templates. An example from Artemisinin § Discovery: {{Lang-zh|c=青蒿素|l=compound of green-blue wormwood}} produces Chinese: 青蒿素; lit. 'compound of green-blue wormwood'. Hope that helped, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 22:14, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@JessWess99: No reason to capitalize "Literally". I'd write it is called foo (literally "bar"). In a table or other repetitive or space-sensitive situation, I might use the abbreviation "lit." instead of "literally". —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:51, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Table is in the wrong place

Hello,

I need help. I am editing the draft article Josie James, and one of my tables ends up under "External Links" no matter what I do. I've checked for typos a thousand times. If I change the order of the tables, no tables go under "external links." Only the one I want to put last.

Thanks in advance! Earlgrey20 (talk) 07:46, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Such symptoms are usually a result of an unterminated table. The end of a table is indicated by |}, not |-}. I have corrected it in this edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:19, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

An unregistered user reverting/ reinserting the content that I removed from an article.

Hi to all! I recently made edits to this page (my edits can be found here), as it was listed on Cleanup listing for WikiProject Pakistan. This page is longer then it needs to be. There is a huge, unnecessary list of programmes aired/currently airing on this channel, and have no citations. I left a message on the article's talk page about the edits. No one replied and I went forward with it (WP:BOLD). Then, an unregistered user, edited the article and basically reverted it back to its original state. That IP pops up in the Edit History every now and then. How am I to proceed with this. Can this be treated as vandalism? The user is unregistered, so I can't ping them and talk directly. Need help. SuddenlyMangoes (talk) 20:46, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@SuddenlyMangoes: I would not treat this as vandalism. It sounds like you have a content dispute. You might seek input at WT:TV asking how this is usually handled, and maybe get additional people from the project to watch the page for you and join in a discussion on the talk page. For further ideas of how to deal with the dispute, have a look at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:52, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@Calliopejen1: Thanks for the guidance. I'll post a question at WT:TV. SuddenlyMangoes (talk) 08:32, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Would Wikipedia be a good match for cultural history documentation that includes PDFs?

In the case of documenting the “output” of an international film festival, the festival Wikipedia page currently lists all the awards and certain other major events for the festival, but very little detail or any real yearly or historical documentation.

Editors could of course already choose to also start including lists of all movies shown each year along with information about guests and judges and so on, to better document the cultural history of the event and paint a more complete picture.

But information on Wikipedia should ideally be backed up by links to sources, and one of the best sources for the extra information mentioned above would be the yearly festival catalogue, a source that also contains a lot of other information (about each film shown, portraits of the honour guests and judges, the festival themes and other cultural documentation) that from a cultural history viewpoint might be just as important as the threadbare basic facts currently published on Wikipedia – some might argue vital even.

Posing, hypothetically, that the festival would be willing to make their past catalogues available for online publishing as PDFs, then the inclusion of these PDF catalogues would help make the cultural history documentation of the film festival far more complete, engaging, and historically relevant, and allow Wikipedia editors to easily refer or link to them as sources. But should one be able to get ahold of these PDFs, the question would then be how to best store/publish them in a historically lasting way.

And when googling the subject of inclusion of PDFs on Wikipedia (through Wikisource) it seems that, unlike images, PDFs appear to be considered a fringe use case reserved mostly for special circumstances. And while some might argue that this particular use case is culturally important or vital, others might then argue that PDFs of music record covers or even things like toy packaging are just as culturally important, and then where do you draw the line to avoid filling the Wikipedia sites with just about any kind of PDFs? So I see why lines need to be drawn, for practical reasons, and that the storing the types of PDFs discussed here may not be allowed.

But if Wikipedia/Wikisource isn't the recommended storage place for preservation/documentation of PDFs such as these (and I'm not saying it isn't, just that the information I found appears to suggest it might not be), because Wikipedia is intended mainly for summaries (and commentary) on the information in things published/stored/preserved elsewhere, then the question is what the Wikipedia community would recommend as a suitable solution for the storage of the actual source PDFs mentioned here (historical preservation style – something that would be likely to outlast the film festival itself), so that Wikipedia editors may then refer/link to the PDFs as sources of information published on Wikipedia.

I'm guessing similar discussions have arisen in the past, and if Wikipedia/Wikisource isn't the right match for a use case like this, then what alternative(s) would the community recommend for preserving the sources (if we are even be able to get ahold of them for preservation purposes)?

Thank you! 2.248.99.112 (talk) 11:52, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, these catalogs would be used as sources at most (and somewhat sparingly, because they are primary sources), or linked to in external links. One issue with hosting these files in any Wikimedia project is that they would need to be released under a free license, which may be next to impossible to achieve as a practical matter because they often (at least in the examples I've seen) incorporate screenshots from many films each of which have different copyright holders and may also incorporate advertisements with yet different copyright holders. I don't expect that sufficient permissions could be secured for us to host these in all but the most exceptional cases. You could look at the Internet Archive for hosting instead which may take a more liberal view. Or make your own website with whatever hosting solution you prefer? Calliopejen1 (talk) 12:58, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Prit Kamani

Hello sir i need to know how to put draft for submission i want to add Draft: Prit Kamani for submission. Wpedia User (talk) 13:45, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done I have added it for you. Theroadislong (talk) 14:11, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Search

Can the search function be improved? I looked for "Chingiz Autmatov" (spelled Aytmatov in Britannica and Aitmatov on Wikipedia) in Wikipedia. The response that there was nothing. When I entered the term in Duckduckgo (a search engine), the FIRST hit was "Chinghiz Aitmatov - Wikipedia." If an external search engine can so readily pull up the closest hit in Wikipedia, why can't Wikipedia? Kdammers (talk) 12:01, 26 September 2020 (UTC) Kdammers (talk) 12:01, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

I started to type the first few letters of Chingiz... into the search box on the top right of this (and all other pages) on WP. By the time I had reached the last letter of Chingiz, the drop-down below that search box offered as suggestions both spellings of the surname, which I could have clicked on to go to the article. So I'm not sure why you thought there was a problem with the WP search box. Michael D. Turnbull (talk) 12:22, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Entering "Chingiz Autmatov" turns up nothing, which is unexpected of a modern search engine. @Kdammers, there is really no reason for Wikipedia's search engine to be this bad apart from WMF not having spent resources on improving it. It would be quite easy for them to add a fuzzy or phonetic search. Until then, Googling strings and appending "Wikipedia" is the only workable solution. – Thjarkur (talk) 12:34, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you are getting different answers than me. There is a redirect in Wikipedia, so that Chingiz Autmatov and Chingiz Aitmatov both link to the correct article and I can copy-paste "Chingiz Autmatov" from Þjarkur's text here into the search box to reach that article, for example. Of course, the WP search box only looks for article titles and redirects so it is of no use for searching talk pages archives or help pages, which have to be searched from other input boxes or search engines. Michael D. Turnbull (talk) 15:58, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Only because I just now created the redirect , before there were no relevant results. – Thjarkur (talk) 16:02, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Apologies, Þjarkur, I should have though of that! Michael D. Turnbull (talk) 16:07, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

CSD

I know I'm not a new user, but is it OK if you still reply to me?

I was nominating a user page for speedy deletion under WP:U2 when I decided to move my CSD log to the User talk: namespace, because I don't like editing in userspace much. It actually turns out that the (now blocked) user who created the page had created five other userpages for nonexistent users. I came around and CSD'd one of them, but it added the page to User:Chicdat/CSD log instead of User talk:Chicdat/CSD log. So I went to my TW preferences and replaced the "CSD log" part of it with User talk:Chicdat/CSD log. But now, when I nominated another page for CSD, it saved it to User:Chicdat/User talk:Chicdat/CSD log! Will I ever be able to CSD again?

🐔 Chicdat ^{Bawk to me!} 10:26, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Chicdat, yes older users are also welcome to ask here at the Teahouse. I don't think it's possible to keep your CSD log in your user talk space, would recommend just using the standard "CSD log" value. You might be able to try setting "CSD log" in your settings, creating a redirect from User:Chicdat/CSD log to User talk:Chicdat/CSD log, and then see if Twinkle follows the redirect. – Thjarkur (talk) 10:34, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

I tried. Twinkle didn't follow the redirect. I'll just disable CSD log and manually add pages to it. 🐔 Chicdat ^{Bawk to me!} 10:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Chicdat: I'm sorry, but I'm not understanding what's wrong with leaving the CSD log in the default place. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:30, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

How to capitalize my username?

Hi Teahouse friends, and thanks for your help to answer questions from users like myself.

Is there a way that I can change the capitalization and display of my username?

Right now, my username on Wikipedia is "Nickgray"

For purely aesthetic reasons, I'd like it to either be "nickgray" (no caps) or "NickGray" (camelcase) Nickgray (talk) 11:06, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Nickgray By default, the first letter of a username is capitalized and this cannot be changed, though it can be worked around by altering your signature, see WP:SIG. You can make a username change request at Special:GlobalRenameRequest to change other letters in your username to caps. 331dot (talk) 11:09, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

You can change your signature to almost anything you want. While the edit histories will always show an uppercase letter, you can make your user-page lowercase with {{lowercase title}}. To get CamelCase you can either request a username change or you can give your user-page the appearance of CamelCase with {{DISPLAYTITLE:User:Nick<span style="text-transform:uppercase;">g</span>ray}} – Thjarkur (talk) 11:17, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Nickgray: In other words, Nickgray is a different username than NickGray. If someone were to try to WP:PING you or go to your user page from the link User:NickGray, it would not work (though User:nickgray would). I would not recommend just changing your signature to camel case for that reason – you should use Special:GlobalRenameRequest.

I see now that there is a problem with that, too, because NickGray is already a user name, created in 2006. Since they have no edits or activity since then, though, I think they may allow you to take over that name. Perhaps someone else can clarify. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:42, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Nickgray: I was just going to drop by and suggest that reading WP:USURP might help if you now wanted to change your username to that of User:NickGray. But, oddly, it looks like it was you who actually created that user account in 2006, then edited it once as Nickgray and then in June this year asked for it to be deleted. It appears to have made no edits itself. I don't really understand what was going on, but I suspect it would be quite easy for your username to be changed to it, providing you follow the rename procedure suggested above (and clarify if it was you who managed to create it all those years ago). Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:54, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

strange formatting of reference-links in an article

Hi, dear people, I wanted to translate the article on Vincent Namatjira for the german wikipedia, but it is impossible - due to the unusual and to me very strange formatting of the reference-links. I do know <ref name= - but there are no real references at all given - only the short terms for the ref name, but nowhere the real references (or i'm too blind to see???), which leaves me completely puzzled. I up to now never have seen this. For instance there is a <ref name=ocula/> - but no explanation or link or anything. And in the reflink-section this is named (and it's the only reference given at all) {Reflist}}, {{s-start}}, {{s-ach|aw}}, {{s-bef|before=[[Tony Costa (artist)|Tony Costa]]}}, {{s-ttl|title=[[Archibald Prize]]|years=2020<br />for ''[[Adam Goodes]]''}},{{s-aft|after= }},{{s-end}} Could someone help me to get to the REAL references in this article, please? Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 18:40, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Gyanda, I would just start by copying the entire article over to the German Wikipedia and then removing whatever doesn't work. The references are all there just defined somewhere else in the text, for example the reference named "Ocula" is defined after the text Aboriginal-owned and -operated centre in Indulkana. You don't need any of the "s-start" to "s-end" stuff, that's only there to create that "Archibald Prize" box at the bottom of his article, which isn't needed. – Thjarkur (talk) 18:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Thjarkur. I looked with the search of firefox through the text, but didn't find the references, will have a look again. Meanwhile i did my own research and perhaps i will write my own article as there is much more info than given in the article... will see. I just don't find it helpful if references are done like it is here, it really puzzled me a lot. Thank you that you found them!!! Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 18:54, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Gyanda:, usually the first reference to a source gives both the ref name and the full reference. In the case of Vincent Namatjira, I looked at the ref-list and found that the first reference given was to an article in Ocula art magazine. Clicking the little "a" next to the up caret brought me to the last sentence of the first paragraph of the "Early life" section. That is where the full reference that is shown in the reflist is defined: <ref name=ocula>{{Cite web |url=https://ocula.com/magazine/conversations/vincent-namatjira/ |title=Vincent Namatjira in Conversation |last=King |first=Natalie |date=24 November 2018 |website=Ocula |access-date=3 September 2019}}</ref>. This should be the same for all of them. I hope that helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:01, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Eggishorn. Now luckily i do also have this little helper and to hover over the reference-number gives the link. As i found there is more info available on the internet than in this article, i will try to write an article myself. In the german wikipedia we do not have this "has exhibited there and there" but also want the year and a reference-link, so i would have to do this anyway. Thank you for your "detective"-work, it helped! Nevertheless i wished the formatting was "as usual" - giving the reference directly after the "ref name". Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 19:40, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Another participant persistently removes my edits

Another participant named Ke an unmotivatedely persistently removes my edits at Lithuania proper as I am trying to improve the article by mentioning all countries where this historical territory existed, and he does it regardless of all the proper explanation I provide - just dismissing it. I am not sure what should I do in such a situation, as it creates a totally unfriendly environment. Thank you. Vadzim (talk) 19:33, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Vadzim: open a discussion on the article talkpage. If that fails, you can attempt other steps of WP:DISPUTE. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:38, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Vadzim: This is really good advice. You both appear to be involved in an WP:EDITWAR, whereby you are each constantly revert back to your preferred version. For fairness, I have given you both formal warnings on your talk pages. You could both receive a short block from editing if this continues. I've not yet countered the number of reverts, but you both look perilously close to our limit! So going to the talk page, citing sources, speaking reasonably, and trying to understand the other person's perspective is a really healthy way to collaborate and to come to agreement on what is and what is not appropriate in the article. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:52, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt:

@Nick Moyes: 

Dear Victor Schmidt, Nick Moyes and other experienced editors, could you please be so kind to examine the behaviour of user Ke an here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lithuania_proper&diff=980430732&oldid=980430412 as he continues removing/reverting disputed part of the article even when he knows discussion on the talk page isn't over yet (because he participates in it). Since the beginning of the discussion on the talk page I reverted it once, but only to let some new editor, who came later and might not know there is the discussion, know that there is an ongoing debate on talk page - unlike Ke an, who willingly reverts the page when he knows there is no conclusion is discussion yet. Thank you for your time! Vadzim (talk) 14:37, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Vadzim: thanks you for raising this again. I have looked at the content you added, the veracity of which is now disputed. I have left as a best a solution as I can on the article talk page (bearing in mind I am ignorant of the political or geographical issues involved). That solution is to ask you not to re-insert the disputed content until the matter is resolved as the more 'stable' version of the article appears to have been the one without that image and caption. This might not be what you want to hear, but it is the best I can offer at this time. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:48, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

New article creation

hey is there a way we can request other editors to publish about an entity ? Usasoccernumber1 (talk) 19:55, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Usasoccernumber1: If you have an idea for the title of an article, but no content for the article itself, you can make a suggestion at Wikipedia:Requested articles. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Deleting duplicate references and re-ordering references

Hi, how do you delete duplicate references and re-order them please? 2A01:4B00:F613:7B00:CDF2:91AB:AFD6:69BE (talk) 21:07, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi, welcome to the Teahouse. Are you referring to the duplicate reference that was present at Epidermolysis bullosa? I'll take a look and see what I can do to help. I see you've run into some issues defining the ref name; if you could hold off on editing the page for a second i'll try and fix it for you. Thanks, Zindor (talk) 21:35, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

What's happened is that the references you removed had short-hand names defined for them. Do you see where it says <ref name=NIH2018Diag> before the reference? That is a named reference, and it allows editors to invoke the reference in other places without repeating it, like so <ref name=NIH2018Diag/>.

I've defined a name for your new source. If your source is a more valid and reliable source, then you can replace the references you removed (and orphaned short invocations) with <ref name="nature1"/>. Otherwise please revert yourself and discussion your proposal on the article's talk page. I hope this helps, let me know if you need further assistance. Regards, Zindor (talk) 21:57, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

How do I save my draft?

How do i save my draft, all i see is to preview then publish pages. I do not want to publish as yet. LordGriot (talk) 23:11, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, LordGriot, welcome. If the page you are editing has a title starting with Draft: then just press 'Publish Page' and it will save your page as a draft. It won't become a mainspace article until an AfC and an NPR reviewer look at it.

I'd advise copy and pasting the contents elsewhere first (like into an MS Word Document) because sometimes server errors happen and revisions don't get saved. Regards, Zindor (talk) 23:26, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

State Magazine Copyright Question

Would photographs from the State Magazine be considered public domain? The are some with attribution (e.g. "Photo by John Doe") and submitted personal photos which I'd assume are under copyright.

However, there are others that mention federal departments in their attribution (e.g. "State Department photo by John Doe") or are either headshots or group photos of employees without attribution. Could I consider the second group of photos to be okay to use here? Dorito Toes (talk) 18:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Dorito Toes, here is what the official website says: "Unless a copyright is indicated, information on State Department websites is in the public domain and may be copied and distributed without permission. Citation of the U.S. State Department as source of the information is appreciated." Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:48, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for pointing that out. Dorito Toes (talk) 00:28, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

2016 Atlantic Hurricane Season

I Made A Mistake On This Article. I Wanted To Put Hurricane Otto's Disappearing Date At The Very Top But It Just Erased The Track Map For The Whole Season. Can I get Help? Hurricanestudier123 (talk) 14:57, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done Welcome back, Hurricanestudier123! You'd missed off two closing curly brackets, which I've put back in. The Infobox functions again, but might not actually be what you wanted to achieve. I'll leave it to you, now. Remember, you can always 'undo' any edit you make if you fear it's messed up a page. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:03, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Also, you might not want to stat every word with a capital letter. Save it for that start of a sentence. UB Blacephalon (talk) 00:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia time and day

How do I change the time and day on my signature? UB Blacephalon (talk) 00:56, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

What are you asking? It's meant to be a time-stamp, in a standard format. You can change the "signature" part in your "preferences" but I don't think you can change the time part. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 01:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Blacephalon: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you want your signature and other time stamps to show in your local time, there is a setting for that under Preferences>Appearance>Time Offset. The link to your preferences should be at the very top of the screen when you are logged in.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:12, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Link non existing page to existing page

Trying to link non created page words "skin electronics" to existing page "wearable technology"

May someone please explain how to link a page that's not created to an existing page?

Theirs no point creating a new page for it, as it's already covered under the existing page. Thanks again, SumeetJi (talk) 05:15, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello SumeetJi. There are a couple of possible methods for that. Please read Help:Piped link and Help:Redirect. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

It's working now thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by SumeetJi (talk • contribs) 05:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

How can I edit without using disruptive editing?

How can I edit without using Wikipedia:Disruptive editing? KassMMB (talk) 03:02, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Follow Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, with special attention to the three core content policies, which are Verifiability, the Neutral point of view, and No original research. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:20, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Pinging KassMMB, since I forgot to do so in my previous edit Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:00, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

KassMMB The issue appears to be that you are adding to football (soccer) players' articles in good faith and 4TheWynne is reverting you and warning you to stop. I recommend you ask at that editor's Talk page (User talk:4TheWynne) how to properly add awards and honours. David notMD (talk) 08:14, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

David notMD, first of all, soccer? Seriously? That's like... the worst insult... how could you... <heart attack>

I kid, I kid – an easy mistake to make first time around, but Australian rules football is a completely different sport to (what most countries call) soccer, and most Aussie rules fans get stuck into soccer for not being anywhere near as "tough" a sport, players "flopping", etc. Anyway, more to the point – to clarify, the honours listed in the infoboxes of AFL players don't encompass all accolades, pretty much just the AFL/major club-awarded ones (which I explained in one of my edit summaries), but KassMMB has continued to add awards from newspapers, etc. (among a couple of other little unnecessary things) despite my reverts/warnings, which is the main reason for concern. Also note that I wasn't the only one who reverted this person. More than happy to discuss with this person, provided they are willing to take what I'm saying onboard. Regards, 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 06:23, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

4TheWynne Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. My sloppy assumption was that any mention of "football" outside the USA meant soccer. Yes, I am aware that Australia (and Canada) have "football" that is not USA rules football. David notMD (talk) 06:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Changing username

Is it possible to change my username from "Rhinestorm" to "oruc.emre.kaya"? It's from so many years ago and kind of childish. Oruç Emre KAYA 09:52, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Rhinestorm, hello! See WP:RENAME. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:33, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Language question - multiple colors on a flag

Is "quarcolor" (= similar to bicolor, tricolor) a correct word for a flag with four different colors? Koreanovsky (talk) 12:20, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Koreanovsky: The equivalent word is quadricolor for four colors. I don't know how often it's used for flags specifically, though i see some hits in google so the answer is certainly more than never. Calliopejen1 (talk) 12:50, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Calliopejen1: Tank you for your reply! :) --Koreanovsky (talk) 10:34, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikimedia

From my questiom at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kaldari#Hello&question

Hello. I have a one question. Are wikimedia com. And the wikipedia encyclopedia the same or are they different. I noticed some photos there with no logo of your website which is wikimedia commons. Why theres no such logo that also links them here? If same then no question. If different then is the encylopedias governing freedom of pano principle the same or not? This question is with respect to my concerns at copyrighted philippine bldgs and sculpttures being shown in commons. Mrcl lxmna (talk) 03:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Mrcl lxmna. The Wikimedia Foundation is the parent organization for Wikipedia in many languages and other free knowledge websites. Their website is Wikimedia.org, and they raise the money, pay for the servers, employ the programmers and outreach and legal staff. Wikimedia Commons is the project that hosts the freely licensed media files, such as photos and videos. Any concerns about freedom of panorama should be discussed there, not here on English Wikipedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Cullen328 for the answer. But my question actually is that if both commons and wikipedia encyclopedia enforcements of freedom of panorama rules are the same or different. Sorry for my unchanged wording, i just copied my question from your fellow moderator kaldari at wikimedia commons The wording shouldve been - some photos shown here do not have wikimedia commons logo, while others do have that logo that links them there. Why those photos do not have that logo and link to wikimedia commomd? And is the freedom of pano enforcements of both wikipedia and wikimedia commons the same? Mrcl lxmna (talk) 03:36, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Mrcl lxmna, I am neither an administrator nor a moderator at Wikimedia Commons. Freedom of panorama is a matter of copyright law that varies significantly from country to country. All Wikimedia/Wikipedia projects are stringent about following the copyright laws of the country where the image/video was recorded. As for the lack of a link to Wikimedia Commons on some images, there are a few possible explanations. Some images are acceptable non-free images such as book covers, album covers, movie posters and the like. Such non-free images are uploaded here to English Wikipedia and not to Commons. Also, some editors disagree with certain policies on Commons, and upload freely licensed work here instead of there. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

So Cullen you mean it is OK to host photos of copyrighted bldgs and sculptures here on wikipedia? As long as it is not on wikimedia commons. Mrcl lxmna (talk) 04:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Mrcl lxmna, no, I most certainly said nothing like that, and the examples I gave relate to very different things, namely visual identification of published works. Use of non-free images on English Wikipedia is strictly limited and described in detail at Non-free content/images. As I stated earlier, application of freedom of panorama for photos depends on the laws of the country where the photo was taken. Copyright violations are not permissible here or on Commons. A low resolution photo of a copyrighted sculpture may be permissible if it illustrates sourced critical commentary about that sculpture in an encyclopedia article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Ummm. How about the bldgs? Philippines has no freedom of pano for both bldgs and sculptures. Mrcl lxmna (talk) 04:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Mrcl lxmna, as stated twice previously and now for the third time, the copyright laws of the country where the photo was taken are applicable. I have no knowledge of copyright law in the Philippines, but editors who specialize in copyright enforcement know about that, or know how to look it up. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:06, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Where can I ask about this matter? In what avenue, aside from your teahouse? Mrcl lxmna (talk) 05:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mrcl lxmna. As pointed out by Cullen328, Wikipedia and Commons are separate projects with their own policies and guidelines. Some of these policies and guidelines might be the same or quite similar, but others might be very different. If you want to ask a copyright related question about a file that you'd like to upload to Wikipedia, you can try asking at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions; if you want to ask a question a copyright related question about a file you'd like to upload to Commons, you can try asking at c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright. Ideally, if you ask the same question at each place you should expect to get the same answer, but each project has it's own community of editors and there's not always a 100% agreement over whether a certain type of file licensing is acceptable. The best you can do is ask, see what responses you get and then try and decide what to do from there. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Ok Marchjuly. I posted my concern at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions#Are_philippine_bldg_and_sculpture_0hotos_acceptable_on_wikipedia? But this concern is more of the wikipedia photos of philippine bldgs and sculptures with no wikimedia commons links and marks, if their hosting here is allowed by your administration or not which means no freedom of panorama also extends here. Mrcl lxmna (talk) 07:40, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Moved to WP:MCQ § Are philippine bldg and sculpture 0hotos acceptable on wikipedia?

 – -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:34, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Compare user contributions in Wikipedia

Hello, I want to start a sockpuppet investigation but I'd like to know if there are tools I can use for comparing contributions of past sockpuppet accounts and a current sockpuppet account of which I am suspicious. In particular, I'd like to know if there are tools for searching contributions based on keywords instead of just a list of common Wikipedia articles, and see if there are similarities between the specific edits/contributions of the suspected account and those of the past confirmed sockpuppets. Thank you. Stricnina (talk) 07:51, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Stricnina: I think you’re better off posting this on the Wikipedia talk:Sockpuppet investigations page. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:33, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: Thanks, maybe I'll ask them later. Stricnina (talk) 11:25, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Stricnina: There is an extremely useful tool for comparing multiple users' account contributions, though not by keywords. See https://sigma.toolforge.org/editorinteract.py Hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:46, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: I was hoping for a tool that actually searches for common keywords or something like that, just to help me compare which edits are suspiciously similar. Stricnina (talk) 11:25, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

​No such thing exists yet, which I find strange given how often one has to do this manually at SPI. – Thjarkur (talk) 12:28, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

How To Make It Reflect On Google

Good morning sir, and how are you doing today?... I have read and understand the terms and conditions of your platform... But the question now is how can we add images to our biography and also make it live on search engines 102.89.2.172 (talk) 11:04, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Who is "we"? Wikipedia articles are indexed, meaning any changes on Wikipedia will sooner or later also appear on Google. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Are you proposing to create a biography of yourself? If so, please don't. -- Hoary (talk) 12:44, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a place like social media where people write about themselves; this is an encyclopedia that is only interested in what independent reliable sources say about you, not what you want to say about yourself. In addition, there are many reasons why a Wikipedia article is not desirable. 331dot (talk) 12:51, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

To add to Victor's reply, if there is an existing Wikipedia article about you, in time it will be found via a search at Google (and other search engines). May take as long as three months. Adding an image is a bit complicated, as copyright is usually held by the person who took the photograph, not the person in the photograph, meaning the photographer can add the photograph. David notMD (talk) 12:58, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

How to get participant in an RfC?

An RfC at Indian subcontinent looked initially like WP:SNOW, but then participation dried up, from both ends of the dispute. I have tried posting all relevant Wikiprojects (9 of them), but no result. I have also requested all the admins who took a look at the RfC to comment, no result again. How can I get more particpants in the discussion? Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 02:24, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

​ That is a relatively lively RfC, and it's only 4 days old. I'd say your RfC is doing fine. (To others: Note a parallell discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)/Archive 65#How to get participant in an RfC?) – Thjarkur (talk) 09:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Should I also add a parallel discussion note at the pump? Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Aditya Kabir, no, it's not necessary in this case. But in general, you should ask one question at only one venue and only if you do not receive an answer after a reasonable time is it advisable that you ask elsewhere. When you do that, you should leave a note at the first forum that you're done waiting and have moved on to the first, and at the second forum that you came there after first trying at the first one. When you want to invite people to join a discussion, you should keep the discussion at one place, and notify all other places with a neutral message and a link to the discussion where you want input. Wikipedia:Consensus#Pitfalls and errors may be of interest, or even the whole page. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

ZIMM = Zimm = ZIMM

I wanted to change the page title ZIMM (a disambiguation page) to "Zimm" because 4 of the 5 Zimm's mentioned are names and the fifth one seems to have no ZIMM article but has something in German that has no "ZIMM" that I could detect. However when I went to move "ZIMM" to "Zimm" it I learned that "ZIMM" was a redirect from an earlier "Zimm" I guess I could just wipe that page (the redirect) out, but decided to ask first. So, I'm asking, "What do I do?" Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 23:44, 26 September 2020 (UTC) Carptrash (talk) 23:44, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Just edit the page. In between the equal signs is the title of the page. Edit that and Save! Hope it helps! UB Blacephalon (talk) 00:55, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Go to WP:Requested moves and make a request in the "technical moves" section. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 01:14, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Moving over the redirect wasn't a bad idea, and was arguably more fitting than a round-robin. Op ended up finding an even messier way of doing it. I've followed up on their talk page. I'll put an attribution template on the dab talk page to try and remedy that issue. Regards, Zindor (talk) 13:28, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

I copied the attribution template you made to the source page, to alert administrators and RfD participants should anyone nominate it for deletion or tag it for speedy deletion. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

California mobile

When I load the California mobile view article on my Android phone, the tabs only go to Demographics, it doesn't load all of them, but when I reload it in desktop mode on my smartphone it shows everything. Why is that? I'm running the latest Chrome and Android versions both? 47.150.227.254 (talk) 03:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello 47..., it's working fine for me, so it's unlikely it's a problem on Wikipedia's side. Have you tried clearing the site data from your browser? Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:40, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Same symptoms here, but I don't know why. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Usedtobecool and David Biddulph:  Fixed Special:Diff/978266367 by OvertAnalyzer removed several tables and a {{Div col end}}. The desktop site renderer recovers better from this situation (an unclosed <div> tag), but the mobile site refuses to close the section and lumps the whole rest of the article under the Demographics section. So, I removed the (now unnecessary) {{Div col}} at Special:Diff/980640261. The mobile view now correctly breaks the rest of the content after Demographics into sections. (Thanks due to User:PerfektesChaos/js/lintHint) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:06, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks AlanM1! I had misunderstood before David's comment; I'd thought the OP meant sections before the Demographics. I just figured out that the culture and the rest of the sections were all lumped together and was checking if the {{TOC limit}} was to blame, LOL! Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:14, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Declined drafts vs Rejected drafts

Hello, I’d like to ask what the difference is between a “declined AFC draft” and “rejected AFC draft” is? Maka (talk · contribs) 15:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Declined Rejected is when the page would be uncontroversially deleted if it were an article, whereas rejected declined is when the draft needs improvement; see Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing instructions#See also. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:10, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Sure it isn't the other way round? AFAIK "declined" means "Eh, this is not yet ready for mainspace, please improve it" while rejected means "Sorry, this cant be improved to be an acceptable article, please stop wasting everyone's time. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:14, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, "rejected" is the more severe and suggests there is no possibility of an article. One or more "declines" is not unusual for drafts that eventually improve to be acceptable articles. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:24, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Ping Maka the Two Star Meister. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:25, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, sorry for answering while I was asleep; now corrected. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

citation with a colon followed by a number?

What does it mean when a citation has a form like this: "[4]:253"  ?? I've seen this on the page about scientific racism.Truth is King^TALK 14:51, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Truth Is King 24, that's the page number where you'll find the exact claim. See Help:References and page numbers#Inline page numbers. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:00, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Truth Is King 24, it's the number of the page(s) in the book/journal/whatever used as ref. Template:Rp can be used for this. When you are citing for example a book several times in the article, it is useful if the material is on different pages. If your only citing the book once, it's unnecessary since there's a page parameter in the cite template. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:02, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk · contribs), Usedtobecool (talk · contribs) Thank you both. But, Grabergs, why did you mark your answer with an edit conflict notice?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Truth Is King 24 (talk • contribs)

It means they had not seen my reply before they had already typed in theirs and wanted to publish. It alerts other editors to expect some confusing things. It's not always necessary (like here where it isn't really that confusing; although, it's anyway more informative to have it than not), but it's a useful habit for those who regularly edit high traffic discussions. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:40, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

That. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:52, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Singer

Hi Angus,

We recently submitted a page for Eloise Singer, would you mind detailing what references were unable to be accepted for publishing?

Thanks SF Singerfilms (talk) 19:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Singerfilms Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read your user talk page for important information. Who is "we"? Only a single individual should have access to and be operating your account. 331dot (talk) 19:43, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Page Creation

How do you create a biography page? Marchelle2725 (talk) 17:37, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Marchelle2725 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Successfully creating a new article is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. You will greatly increase your chances of success if you first spend time editing existing articles in areas that interest you, so you can get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. I would also suggest that you use the new user tutorial.

Once you are ready, you will want to first review Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person(there are also more specific criteria for certain fields like musicians). If the person you want to write about meets the definition, and has significant, in depth coverage in multiple independent reliable sources, they may merit an article. You may use Articles for creation to submit a draft for review. 331dot (talk) 17:48, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Marchelle2725, I'd second the suggestions above by 331dot. You should spend time working on existing articles, gaining practical experience, while learning about notability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and verifiability. This is especially critical if you are eventually intending to write a biography of a living person. After you have gained experience you can submit an article at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Hope this helps. Best wishes from Los Angeles,   // Timothy :: talk  21:06, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Examples of Excellent Pages

As I did my first edit (the township of Elumathur in India), I felt very inadequate at the task. I kept wishing that I had an excellent example of a page about a township. Is there a way find an excellent example of a subject?Pamich3 (talk) 19:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Try Wikipedia:Featured articles. There are lists of featured articles on various topics there. Also try Wikipedia:Good articles, which are good but not quite good enough to be "Featured." davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:36, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Pamich3, i had a skim through WikiProject India's FAs and GA's for you. I managed to dig up a GA article on a town called Kumbakonam, which incidentally is also in Tamil Nadu. You'll likely gets some good reliable Indian sources from looking at it. You can find the latest good article version of the article at this link. Regards, Zindor (talk) 19:57, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Pamich3, One thing I always enjoy in articles like this are the cultural sections. Festivals and community events, museums, libraries, community newspapers and magazines, authors and artist from the area, arts and crafts, cuisine, notabled local news events. They don't have to huge or famous (they do need sourcing), and they don't have to be unique to the community. I enjoy finding out what it's like to live in a community. The writing needs to be non-promotional. Usually, these articles contain a lot of dry statistical information (weather, elections, transportation, etc), which is useful, but not really interesting. Hope this helps.   // Timothy :: talk  20:52, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Pamich3: To expand a little on what Zindor wrote above, go to the talk page of the article to find the WikiProjects that relate to it (in the yellow boxes at the top). If you click to go to Wikipedia:WikiProject India in this case, you'll see a little way down the right side, a table of article assessments. If you click on GA, A, or B in the quality column, you'll go to the category listing the talk pages of articles at that quality level. Clicking on the numbers instead will narrow it down further by importance. I'd say mid-importance, B-class articles might be a reasonable starting point for a decent example without being too long or overly-complicated. The higher importance and quality levels will generally be longer and have more complicated features. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:08, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Third opinion

Please give a third and fourth and fifth opinion this edit by user https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isfahan&oldid=prev&diff=980612082 Baratiiman (talk) 13:29, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Baratiiman, I agree with the removal. Isfahan is a major city. I would be quite surprised to visit an article about a major city and see information about a fish unless references made clear it was iconic to people in the city for some reason. Calliopejen1 (talk) 13:51, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Calliopejen1This was the page one week ago, what people are you talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isfahan&diff=980613429&oldid=976066006 Baratiiman (talk) 14:00, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm talking about the residents of Isfahan. Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:07, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Calliopejen1: Thats a rather odd thing to say, bearing in mind the clue is theoretically in the specific epithet (isfahanensis) and in the sources, and it is quite reasonable for an article to have a section on biodiversity (hugely overlooked in my opinion), and to mention iconic taxa like this one. That said, Baratiiman was quite wrong to have added it to the city page as it has never been found there! The content belongs instead at Isfahan Province, as that is where all three of its known world locations are situated (along the Zayanderud river), and not, as yet, in Isfahan itself. I feel the poster should have more carefully read and followed the sources (unless there are newer ones that I've missed showing it has since been located there?) Nick Moyes (talk) 21:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Help on creating Wikiproject

Dear WP:TEAHOUSE, I am one of the contributors of the European Training network Of PhD researchers on Innovative EMI analysis and power Applications. This is a wikipage dedicated to disseminate knowledge regarding Electromagnetic Compatibility and Electromagnetic Interference on the basis of European Union's Horizon 2020 research program under the Marie Skłodowska-Curie grant agreement No 812753 [7]. Please, may you help me to improve it? I would like to turn it into a wikiproject such as [[8]], how should I proceed? Thanks in advance. Douglas Aguiar do Nascimento (talk) 19:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Douglas, I'm not quite sure I know what you're referring to with "WikiProject" here, your page is already a part of two WikiProjects: WikiProject Higher education and WikiProject European Union. – Thjarkur (talk) 21:35, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

I've posted my concerns regarding the article at Talk:European Training network Of PhD researchers on Innovative EMI analysis and power Applications#Purpose of this article. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:43, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

(Were you maybe referring to tagging the talk page with WikiProject banners?) – Thjarkur (talk) 21:48, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Article needing image tag

I just added a free image (in the infobox) for A Modern Magdalen article. I also happened to notice on the article's talk page that there was a parameter in the portal box that tags it as needing an image for the article. Should I also delete that tag or is that something someone on the WikiProject Film group would do? I'm really new to all of this so don't want to overstep what should be done. Thanks! MarcusGarland (talk) 22:24, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello MarcusGarland, thanks for the image. Removing that "image missing" parameter is fine, I've done it now. Wikipedia of course makes it very easy to overstep, but you're mostly free to add WikiProject banners and to tinker with them when needed, almost no WikiProject is so active that it is able to keep their banners updated. – Thjarkur (talk) 22:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thjarkur, thanks so much for your quick response and guidance. It's much appreciated and now I can add that bit to my learning curve! MarcusGarland (talk) 22:48, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Prostitutes

Why?

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isfahan&diff=979907351&oldid=979881663
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isfahan&diff=980594777&oldid=980594561
3. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Economy_of_Iran&oldid=prev&diff=980594867
4. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yousef_Tabatabai_Nejad&diff=980451190&oldid=980427046
5. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fashion_in_Iran&diff=980451588&oldid=980441033

Baratiiman (talk) 11:20, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Baratiiman, if another editor reverts your edits, you should open a discussion on the article's talk page (see bold-revert-discuss) – Thjarkur (talk) 12:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

(See also same complaint by user at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard#Recheck) – Thjarkur (talk) 12:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Baratiiman You have been adding large amounts of content and some images to the article, the great majority of which have not been reverted. And you have rightly started a discussion on the Talk page about the content related to prostitution. I agree with the editor who reverted your content and reference. An appropriate addition on the topic - even though unwelcome by some - would present information on the prevalence of prostitution in Isfahan and the legal situation. Your reference on why people are prostitutes is not relevant. David notMD (talk) 13:08, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

David notMD not reverted yet, i have read versions from the page for past years and they had pics that were removed.Also about prostitutes can i just add subheading and related articles?.Baratiiman (talk) 14:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Baratiiman: You can use the talk pages for the various articles and post suggestions for additions and sources there. And then you need to participate in discussions and listen to other people (and not simply revert back to your preferred version if your edits should be reverted). Again, you need to follow the Bold-Revert-Discuss cycle and accept the need for consensus, even if you believe you are right. Thanks, --bonadea contributions talk 14:53, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

can you tell me whats wrong with beggar photo in poverty of economy of iran and why i should care?Bonadea Baratiiman (talk) 14:58, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

You can certainly raise that question at Talk:Economy of Iran. That is, you can certainly ask about the photo – the reason you should care is because Wikipedia is a collaborative project. --bonadea contributions talk 15:29, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Economy of Iran has no content about the practice of begging in public, so adding the image has not connection to the text of the article. I agree with the action of deleting the image. David notMD (talk) 00:31, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

As to prostitution, a better place to add content would be Prostitution in Iran. David notMD (talk) 00:35, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Help Adding a Widget with a Google map

I have created a walking map that incorporates many of the buildings in this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Art_Deco_buildings_in_Perth

I would love to add the map in its own box next to the Contents at the top

No idea how - so assistance gratefully accepted.

cheers PerthDeco (talk) 03:20, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@PerthDeco: because Wikipedia is a freely licensed project, we don't integrate copyrighted content like Google Maps. It's possible there is some way to do this by embedding Open Street maps content, but I'm not sure. Perhaps someone else knows that answer... Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:24, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply - do you mean anything that uses Google Maps? The map is entirely my work with info found in the public domain and uses my own photos - can I add it to any other wiki project? PerthDeco (talk) 04:37, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@PerthDeco: Check out the info and links at Wikipedia:WikiProject OpenStreetMap. It may be a little out of date, but might help. I'm sure I've seen a template somewhere for putting OSM into articles - just can't remember where right now, sorry. I created the maps at Mont Blanc massif by layering OSM in powerpoint and tracing key features I wanted. I then deleted the background map and converted a screenshot from jog to svg. Inelegant, but it worked. See also WP:WikiProject Maps. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 07:45, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@PerthDeco: found it! Check out this page and the 'See also' links, too. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:10, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Thanks Nick will check it out PerthDeco (talk) 03:02, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

@PerthDeco: It may be worth mentioning that if a "Coordinates" column were added to the tables in that article, containing the coordinates of the locations, a {{GeoGroup}} template could be used in the article to link to an OpenStreetMap pinpointing all the locations on a map of Perth. Also, if you've taken photos of any of the buildings for which we don't already have images, you can upload them to Commons and then insert them in the list. Deor (talk) 17:29, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Deor: good idea re extra col but since most people now use their phone to look at stuff I think it might become to cumbersome. As for missing photos - its on my todo list.PerthDeco (talk) 03:02, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

• @PerthDeco: This is somewhat a tangent, but to address your question about licensing (to the best of my understanding), the terms of use for Google Maps are tricky. You may be the sole creator, but as soon as you start contributing to the Google Local Guides program, etc., Google does everything they can to grab the license so that they'll be able to use it however they want and no one else will. That means that we can't integrate with it properly here, thus why we work with Open Street Map instead, even though it's unfortunately inferior to Google Maps in many other ways. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:18, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Sdkb: Great clarification and good to know. PerthDeco (talk) 03:02, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Handling promotional edits

Basic question. On a bibliography of a living person, what to do when you find extensive edits, many of which are promotional, making it hard to suggest meaningful edits for objectivity? I have this article in mind ... Alfred Mutua  ... TruthHunterLe (talk) 23:35, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

TruthHunterLe, is it easier now? Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:17, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

TruthHunterLe, the content you added with these edits look overly negative at first glance. It is your personal responsibility to ensure all content you add or restore to a biography of living person complies with WP:BLP and all controversial, especially negative aspects, in BLPs should be handled conservatively. So please make sure, if you haven't already, that all such content follows WP:BLP and WP:NPOV, and has strong support of reputable reliable sources. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:33, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguations

Is is true that if a page title is followed in parentheses to denote that there is another page with the main title (ie. SpongeBob SquarePants (character) -> SpongeBob SquarePants), then the disambiguation reminder at the top of the page should only be on the one without parentheses in its title? If a character named after a series had their own page (like what I've provided an example of), I'm assuming it would be unethical to include the disambig reminder on the character page that links to the series page, and the latter is the page that should have it, in this case reminding the reader of the existence of the character page? Just a thought. Meetertound (talk) 01:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Meetertound, there are no ethical issues involved. Hatnotes are a navigational aid and we should put them where they are likely to be useful. In this case, it is highly unlikely that someone looking for SpongeBob SquarePants will end up by mistake at SpongeBob SquarePants (character) since nobody uses search engines that way, nor is anyone likely to put in terms like the latter into the article they are editing when they mean the former. But it can easily happen the other way around. Someone may be looking to read about the character and end up at the series page. A hatnote at the top tells them where the character lies. Similarly, an editor mentioning the character could easily link to the series page and not realise it. And the hatnote could help the reader who ends up at the wrong article following such links. WP:HATNOTE has more. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:52, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Settings

hi and good evening I just wanted to ask what will happen if I enable advanced mode in Wikipedia Alisha rains (talk) 20:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Alisha rains: I'm afraid I don't know which "advanced mode" you mean. What page and exact text of the option are you looking at? Is it something on a tab of Special:Preferences? Also, please don't modify your signature or attempt to sign manually. Just end your post with ~~~~ (I fixed your post above). Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:23, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

It's this new thing: mw:Reading/Web/Advanced mobile contributions. Alisha rains, you can click that link to read more about it, it just gives you some more buttons. You can turn it off any time. – Thjarkur (talk) 21:36, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Alisha rains: Also, when you use the Ask a question button to post a new section here, you shouldn't sign at all – it has code in the pre-loaded text that it puts in the edit window that auto-signs for you (see the directions in the comments). Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Alisha rains: On a mobile phone you can look at and edit Wikipedia in one of two viewing modes: 'Mobile View' or 'Desktop View' (there's a teeny, tiny, miniscule, itsy-bitsy, almost invisible, unnoticeable and easily missed link at the bottom of every page to allow you to switch between viewing modes on a phone. But you'll have to look carefully or you might miss it.) Mobile View is really only for viewing content and basic editing on phone. It gives you extremely limited access to many of the tools desktop computer-based editors need and use all the time. But 'Desktop View' on a phone gives you everything, and I do a lot of my editing that way. But the 'Advanced Mode' is a nice halfway house for phone users who like the simple Mobile View', but still desire a bit more functionality for editing. There's a little slider button in 'Settings' which lets you turn it on or off, and it gives you easy access to talk pages, history pages, user tools and some other editing tools, too. Although I have had it activated on my phone since last year, I still prefer phone editing in 'Desktop View' - and my mobile is an iPhone 5S with a really small screen. I hope this helps - do give it a try, and let us know how you find it. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:12, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much guys for replying to my question I really really appreciate and for those that asked what button I am talking about it's the button you will find when you go to settingsAlisha rains (talk) 04:34, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Interracial marriage is a mess

I don't know what to do with the wiki page interracial marriage. This page feels highly vandalized with many users pointing fingers at each other and at first I thought I knew who was in the right but now I don't know what to believe, I would personally try to read its history and fix the page but i'm currently really busy in real life and won't be free until around mid to late October, and even when I try my best to fix pages I often take the lazy way out or forget why I was trying to pursuit this edit in the first place and create a bigger mess than before, I don't know how to fix this page or help the users who fight with each other so I'm asking others to help, please -- Toby Mitches (talk) 01:34, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Well, we could always go back to the beginning. No, I am not being serious. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 01:52, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Toby Mitches. If you've got concerns about the article, you can be WP:CAUTIOUS and discuss them at Talk:Interracial marriage. This will give others who also might be interested in subject matter chance to give their opinion as well. You can also be WP:BOLD and try to improve the article yourself; if someone's else reverts your changes, just follow WP:BRD and WP:DR, and try to address the other editor's concerns through article talk page discussion. What you really want to avoid doing (even though I'm pretty sure you just did it by mistake) is essentially blanking an article like you did here; I know you immediately self-reverted, but that's the kind of thing that's going to set off all kinds of buzzers and alarms (i.e. attract lots of immediate attention) and possibly lead to some warnings being added to your user talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly. To be honest you haven't really helped me, you have only stated the obvious, however this is my fault, I was should have asked a question instead of a statement, also I am aware that you shouldn't black a page, I did that by accident, I have no idea how it happened, but as soon as I saw what I did, I rushed back to editing and I fixed my mistake, I clearly didn't do it out of some malicious intent? instead what I should have asked is that I think their is a user who is abusing edits and I'd like to report him, he is sharing links relative to the topic but than editing the Wikipedia to suit his own interest, I would like to open a case against him, could you help me understand the process a little better and what will I be getting myself into? Thank you in advance -- Toby Mitches (talk) 03:25, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

​ I think you should try and continue to try and engage in discussion with the other editor on the article's talk page; however, I don't think you should be so quick to categorize the other editor as a liar or vandal unless you willing to support such statements by providing actual WP:DIFFs as proof. Content disputes (particularly about contentious subjects) often become emotional and heated and when they do your best bet is to stick to discussing content by showing how the other editor's position or claims is not in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policy and guidelines. Just from looking at the other editor's contributions, their only edits have been to the article's talk page, not the article themself; so, you calling them a vandal and liar is not very WP:CIVIL at all and will likely only make it that much harder to resolve things through discussion.

Editor behavior can be discussed at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents (ANI), but should really be the last resort when the problem has gotten so serious that administrator interventaion is needed. If you try to go to ANI now, the things any administrator reviewing the situation is likely going to notice are as follows: (1) the other editor is trying to use the article talk page to discuss things (they might be doing so in a somewhat rude manner, but they're trying); (2) the other editor has done nothing to disrupt or vandalize the article; and (3) your response on the talk page to the other editor has been less than civil. At ANI, you will find your part in things being assessed as well; so, you might want to go back and WP:STRIKE out anything that might be considered a personal attack and just instead focus on the content being discussed. If the other editor refuse to participate in a civil discussion with you, then move to the next step in WP:DR. If their behavior worsens and becomes a serious problem, then perhaps only then you should consider going to to ANI.

FWIW, I do think some of the other editor's comments are also inappropriate and I will add a warning to their user talk page to let them know that they need to do better as well. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:05, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Marchjuly. That is fair, but I'm being civil when accusing him of lying, as that is truly what he is doing, I do not know what else to call it, however I do see that claiming he has vandalized the page is unjust, but this is because I suspect he is sockpuppeting and I should have made that more clear when accusing him, therefore I'll need to fix my edit to better suit my case, however thank you so much, this was truly helpful and I appreciate this dearly, I will use your advice as my next steps going forward, truly thank you -- Toby Mitches (talk) 06:57, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Question re missing first name of article

Hi. A simple question today: I noticed the page for poet/writter Tsering Woeser is entitled without her first name [9]. Not usual practice, it seems. Fyi, BBC and France24 also use her as a reliable source for current information on Tibet. What's the process for requesting the correction? Much thanks as always. Pasdecomplot (talk) 06:30, 28 September 2020 (UTC)&nbsp

Pasdecomplot, hello! If it's your judgement that Tsering Woeser is the WP:COMMONNAME of this person, go ahead and WP:MOVE it. If you feel less sure, you can start a discussion on the talkpage first. If there's no reply for a few days, do what you think is reasonable. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:47, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks @Gråbergs Gråa Sång, wasn't sure every editor could make the move. I'll look into it. Pasdecomplot (talk) 07:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Pasdecomplot, it's not every editor, but you are reasonably WP:AUTOCONFIRMed by now ;-) Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:13, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Sunresh creating page

Help me to publish wiki page for online study web and android application. Sunresh (talk) 05:39, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I assume this is about Draft:Sunresh. This draft currently lacks independent sources and as such fails WP:GNG Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 08:00, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Removal of Article or Article Moved To Draft

I hope someone can answer me. Can someone please tell me why the article on 2020-21 FA Vase has either been deleted or moved to draft. Ta.

Courtesy link of article in draft: Draft:2020-21 FA Vase (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 06:29, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

From article edit history appears it was created as a draft, and submitted. David notMD (talk) 06:35, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

The article was deleted on 27 September: (03:37, 27 September 2020 Liz talk contribs deleted page 2020-21 FA Vase (G8: Page dependent on a deleted or nonexistent page) (thank)) Gab4gab (talk) 09:59, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Help

Hello, I am Fikry Muraza. I need help to get a page approved. I really hope for your support. Thank you very much! Fikry Muraza (talk) 09:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Fikry Muraza You asked about this at the AFC Help Desk, please only use one method of seeking assistance, to avoid duplication of effort. 331dot (talk) 09:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

The Conflict Of Interest declaration properly belongs on your User page, not the draft, but as the draft has been rejected, does not matter. None of the references meet Wikipedia's standard for establishing notability. I recommend that you request the draft be deleted. David notMD (talk) 10:52, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Getting song artwork on wiki

hey! I need help getting the artwork to a song on Wikipedia! FarisLloyd (talk) 21:46, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@FarisLloyd: Could you tell us and link to which artwork and which song, please? Nick Moyes (talk) 23:27, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

• yes its Lost by Cher Lloyd! I have a hq one on my pc — Preceding unsigned comment added by FarisLloyd (talk • contribs)

  Courtesy ping @Nick Moyes:. Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:03, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@FarisLloyd: Song lyrics are copyright and must not be added to articles. We take very copyright seriously, and it's important that you do not not attempt to include them, nor link to 3rd party sites which themselves breach the artist's copyright. It would, however, be OK to include an external link to the artist's own website where lyrics are published. {We recently answered a very similar question here - see this) Don't forget that we are all expecting to see your userpage contain a WP:COI or WP:PAID declaration before you do any further editing on articles abut Cher Lloyd. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:39, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, I thought the question was about uploading an image associated with the song in question, like an album cover? I am thinking WP:FAIRUSE may apply, but not even remotely close to sure. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:14, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Usedtobecool: Quite right! I'm not sure how I managed to misinterpret the question so effectively! Nick Moyes (talk) 16:10, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, let's call it due under the law of averages, LOL! @Marchjuly and Fastily:, Would the associated artwork for "Lost" by Cher Lloyd be acceptable, perhaps under WP:FAIRUSE if there is an article needing one? I read the guideline which under accepted usage says cover art is acceptable when accompanying critical commentary but I know we use movie posters in infoboxes under fair use which seems to be an exception. There's also the fact that the guideline, under unacceptable uses, specifically names album covers (as part of discography). The OP is working on Lost (Cher Lloyd song) and Cher Lloyd discography, by the way. FarisLloyd, if you do not receive the help you need before this post gets archived, please try asking at WP:MCQ, a venue specifically intended for questions about media-related copyright issues. Best regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:22, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Never mind! I seem to have missed a big chunk of the happenings since this was posted. Please feel free to disregard my previous comment. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:26, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

It would most likely be fine in a stand-alone article about the song, but not in a discography or on the artist’s page per WP:NFC#cite_note-3. It should, however, be the cover art for the single, not the cover art of the album that the single appeared on. — Marchjuly (talk) 13:29, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Copyright of a person

Hello! I am making a page in wikipedia about a new band. Part of the infobox requires a picture of the band. As you may know by stalking my account, I have had constant operose copyright dilemmas. So i would ask today, what are the copyright requirements? I would provide the name of the band and a picture. Thanks Ice bear johny (talk) 07:10, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

​It's not necessary to include an image in an article, infoboxes have many fields and you can choose which ones to fill in. It's best to assume that an image is copyrighted and can't be used if you did not personally take the image or if you did not encounter it already uploaded on Commons. – Thjarkur (talk) 09:33, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Oh ok thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ice bear johny (talk • contribs) 09:55, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Ice bear johny Please don't think of editors looking over your (virtual) shoulder as stalking. Any time an editor asks a question at Teahouse, the hosts there may take it upon themselves to look at past article edits by the questioner, to see if there is a pattern of editing that might need improvement. Think of it as training wheels. Also as a spotlight. Hosts - and any experienced editor who has articles on their watch lists - are happy whenever new editors prove to be able to improve articles. David notMD (talk) 12:51, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Ah that was only a flippant comment, colloquially referenced to today's facebook. Anyways thanks for letting me know that you can see (stalk but euphemised/in a trivial manner) my past edits. Way to go for me hehehe Ice bear johny (talk) 15:55, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Ice bear johny, every single edit made by every single user is public on Wikipedia, except the ones that admins have specifically decided to hide (personal details, offensive abuse, etc.) Your history is at Special:Contributions/Ice bear johny. You can see anyone else's by changing the username in the same link. Along with your userpage and your user talk page, your contribution history is one of the most often checked when others come across you. There are further statistics pages that give metadata about your editing pattern and so on, also public. Basically, everything you do is not only public but also analysed endlessly by algorithms and summarised into multiple different kinds of reports. You might find WP:FOLLOWING of interest. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:39, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to How to approve my article Draft:Poojabishnoi

How to approve my article Draft:Poojabishnoi Naresh Prajapat 11:18, 28 September 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nareshprajapatmogra (talk • contribs)

@Nareshprajapatmogra: The draft still does not demonstrate that the subject is notable enough to have an article written on it. While David notMD did some cleanup, you still have yet to provide reliable sources to back up your claims, and the article still sounds promotional. In it's current state, it's highly unlikely to be approved. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 13:51, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Pooja Bishnoi This is WP:TOOSOON by many years. If she continues to excell at sports to the point that she participates in the Olympics, then and only then would an article be appropriate. Nothing else in the draft contributes to notability. David notMD (talk) 14:07, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

How AmI supposed to write

If I am not supposed to write from other websites, how can I write it myself with no help. NuvolaBrain123 (talk) 14:28, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

​You'll have to first read the source and then summarize in your own words what the source says. One thing you could try if you're having trouble paraphrasing: Find a few sources and create a list of all the basic facts they contain (add them as a source for each line). Then, take those facts you've just written down and write prose around them. This often works better on Wikipedia than elsewhere because we write in a short summary style. – Thjarkur (talk) 14:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Watch out for self-published sources though, Google Sites and Steemit aren't reliable sources. – Thjarkur (talk) 14:38, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I am trying to update the DOB one celebrity's Request

I'm trying to update the Celebrity's Date of Birth on her request. and I do have Visual Proof of her original DOB. so How I can submit that? Ufjohns (talk) 10:31, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Give a reference to the reliable source in which it is published; if it's not been published it's not acceptable for Wikipedia. David Biddulph (talk) 10:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Guidance at WP:DOB. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:46, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Formation date of Sunderland AFC

I note the reply to an earlier question of mine. Sunderland AFC have put out this statement at:- https://www.safc.com/news/club-news/2020/september/on-this-day-in-1880

I repeat, no matter what is claimed by the organisation they have no primary source material from 1879 on this. None exists. if you take a look at the link on the page that 'confirms' 1879 you will see it is to a page that goes back to 2010 and which has never been altered since and which, is to all intents and purposes, dead.

Meanwhile, there is primary source material from 1880 on this with the Sunderland Echo of 27 September carrying a report of the teachers meeting two days earlier that states 'the teachers have FORMED a football club'

A more accurate report on the club's formation date would start by saying at the meeting of 25 September 1880 the club was formed ..... some people have claimed the club was formed in 1879 and have pointed to an article in 1887 and later in 1929 as indicating this is the case.

I don't wish to labour this point but I am acknowledged as a football historian, I have written numerous football history books and Sunderland is my own team of many years. MarkMetcalf (talk) 16:00, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

This was asked here as recently as four days ago. Start a discussion at Talk:Sunderland A.F.C.. I will post a note to the football WikiProject as well to let them know of this question. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:41, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Yell

I am a relatively new editor. I have been updating this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yell_(company) with company news that is in the public interest and published in the national media.

Another editor, from an anonymous IP address and presumably working for Yell is repeatedly undoing my updates as soon as they are published.

I find the wikipedia guidance on these disputes pretty confusing and would appreciate any advice on how to stop this page vandalism.

Richdanny (talk) 15:50, 28 September 2020 (UTC) Richdanny (talk) 15:50, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Richdanny, and welcome to the Teahouse.

First of all, you have no evidence that the IP was workign for Yell, nd should not make such an accusation without evidence. The edits that were reverted did not properly cite sourfes, adn might havbe ben reverted for that reason alone.

You have now added sources in proper form, and the matter has now been discussed on Talk:Yell (company). I have removed the inline external links which you had left in place. I will say that the sources you added are less than wonderful, but that can better be discussed on the article talk page. If there are further reverts you can raise the matter there. Note that a revert is not always vandalism, although ideally a revert would indicate the reason, at least briefly. If there seems to be persistent vandalism, it may be reported at WP:AIV or a request for page protection may be made at WP:RFPP. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Adding images

How do i insert images to my story? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Foodboy1 (talk • contribs) 16:41, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Section header added. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:52, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Foodboy1. What do you mean by "story"? This is an encyclopedia and we do not have stories. Adding images is very complex, so please describe the image you want to add and where you found it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:52, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Foodboy1's draft Speedy deleted. David notMD (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Images and pictures

How does one add images and pictures in their writings? 105.232.25.195 (talk) 17:42, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

This should help you Wikipedia:Images TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:24, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

John Walton Secondary School

I submitted the page below but was declined for reasons: Submission declined on 28 September 2020 by Theroadislong (talk). This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Mama Walton (talk) 06:46, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Article text

The John Walton Secondary School was established in 1973 because of a growing need for a second coloured high school in Uitenhage at the time. The school was started by Mr.G.E. Jenniker, who was also the first principal, in a pre-fabricated building with hardboard walls, wooden floors and corrugated iron roof. The initial school was situated at the corner of Acacia and Papegaai Street. (Now part of C.W.Hendricks Primary School.) The school was named after Rev. John Walton who was a missionary of the London Missionary Society in India. He was also the founder of the Hankey Training School, the forerunner of Dower College. In 1978 the school moved to its current location at Rosedale Drive, Rosedale. From these humble beginnings the school rose from the dust and became a cradle that produced countless academic and sports achievers as well as leaders in various spheres. During the turbulent times of riots in the 80's and early 90's, John Walton played a significant role in the liberation struggle. During these times the school competed very strongly with other schools in Uitenhage and Port Elizabeth. It has been involved in numerous fierce sporting battles with its arch- rival Uitenhage High as well as other schools. Over the years the school has always been characterized for producing very competitive rugby and volleyball teams, and stood its own on the athletic track. In recent years the school has however struggled and currently finds it very hard to live up to its former glory days. This situation can however be improved by creating a bigger awareness amongst our community and especially amongst our former pupils. This fine institution has been instrumental in shaping who we are today. It is therefore only fitting that we should explore and nurture all possible ventures that will restore the pride that we carry in our hearts. SICITUR AD ASTRA!

References I want to add : http://www.johnwaltonsecondary.co.za/about-us/47-john-walton.html https://epages.co.za/john-walton-secondary-school-jubilee-park/ https://www.africanadvice.com/1365760/Schools/Eastern_Cape/John_Walton_Secondary/ 

Mama Walton (talk) 06:46, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Mama Walton, please don't post the text of the article here: just link to Draft:John Walton Secondary School. Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the school says or wants to say about itself: it is only interested in what people who have no connection with the school have chosen to publish about it in reliable sources such as major newspapers, or books from reputable publishers. All the links you have given above fail at least one of being independent, reliable, and having significant coverage of the school.

For one example of the problem, if I look at the text you have written above: "was established in 1973 because of a growing need for a second coloured high school in Uitenhage at the time", my question is, which person, wholly unconnected with the school, has said in a reliable publication that that was the reason for founding the school? Unless there is an independent reliable source, then that claim does not belong in any Wikipedia article. For another "This situation can however be improved by creating a bigger awareness amongst our community and especially amongst our former pupils" doesn't belong in any encyclopaedia article anywhere: it is not the business of an encyclopaedia to argue for anything, no matter how virtuous. Equally "this fine institution" is utterly out of place in an encylcopaedia. What a Wikipedia article does is to summarise what independent reliable published sources say about a subject, nothing more. --ColinFine (talk) 15:34, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I have read your response ColinFine and appreciate your response, I now stand back with a thankfull heart— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mama Walton (talk • contribs) 19:11, 28 September 2020 (UTC+9) (UTC)

Thank you for your appreciation, Mama Walton. I appreciate that you were meaning to be helpful by deleting the material above; but I have restored it. We don't normally change or remove material already on a talk or discussion page, since it may cause following comments to make no sense. --ColinFine (talk) 20:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Updating pictures on Artists wikipedia page!

Hey! So I really want to update the images portrayed on Cher Lloyd wiki page! The current photos are from 2012 and it is 2020 now! This must be updated!

I have some photos I'd hope you guys can add for me!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/139848974@N07/26177918621/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/96853530@N05/11202591733/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/javicmorales/30406915221/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/javicmorales/29862999694/in/photostream/ FarisLloyd (talk) 05:14, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi FarisLloyd. Unfortunately, none of those photos are usable on Wikipedia, since none of them are freely licensed (see the "all rights reserved" tag on Flickr). If you find other photos on Flickr that do have a free license (e.g. Creative Commons license), though, you can add them to Wikimedia Commons by following the instructions there; it's easy to import from Flickr. You could also start a discussion at Talk:Cher Lloyd and see if anyone can find a better image, or browse through commons:Category:Cher Lloyd to try to find one yourself. One thing to keep in mind is that we don't always want to use the most recent photo of someone if older photos are better quality. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:31, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

So would red carpet photos be useable? I found some that have no copyright stamp — Preceding unsigned comment added by FarisLloyd (talk • contribs) 05:32, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@FarisLloyd: No, sorry. All photos are regarded as copyright of the photographer, even if there's no 'copyright' notice shown. What we actually require is positive evidence of the presence of an appropriate Creative Commons commercial licence, NOT the absence of any copyright notice. Nick Moyes (talk) 06:30, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi FarisLloyd. Is your choice of a username just a coincidence or are you somehow connected to Lloyd in a personal or professional way? — Marchjuly (talk) 06:35, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

I am one of Cher's leading street teams (fan groups) to promote her and her music. I have direct connections to her manager and get exclusive info on new releases etc. That is why I felt the need to update her wiki page photo because her team wanted me to look into it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by FarisLloyd (talk • contribs) 06:38, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying things FarisLloyd. Based upon what you've posted, you do have a Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and might even be subject to Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. I will post a more detailed reply on your user talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:48, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@FarisLloyd: I'll second the advice from Marchjuly on your user page that, since you have connections to Cher's team, one of the most helpful things you can do for the page is to encourage them to release a high-quality freely licensed photo of her by uploading it to Wikipedia Commons. They will need to follow the guidance at commons:Commons:Guidance for paid editors, and it will be up to the community here to decide which photo is actually used, but if they provide a newer photo of comparable or better quality than the current one, I don't see why we wouldn't want to switch. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:08, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Completely understandable! Unfortunately I was told I am not allowed to talk to them in terms of Wikipedia because its conflict of interest so Is there any other way we can obtain a newer image? FarisLloyd (talk) 20:35, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

​ You can continue to have a friendly relationship with Lloyd and her team if you want; you don’t have to stop being anyone’s friend. You just need to follow relevant policies and guidelines if you’re going to be making Wikipedia edits on behalf of Lloyd or her team. Moreover, you need to be very careful to comply with WP:PAID if you’re being compensated in any way for your editing; even it’s just something like free concert tickets, free music or other things that aren’t direct cash payments so to speak but are a result of your edits. As long as you do those things and your edits or edit proposals are otherwise in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, you should be fine. You also need to understand that being (as you described yourself above) one of Cher's leading street teams (fan groups) to promote her and her music. I have direct connections to her manager and get exclusive info on new releases etc. doesn’t give you (or Lloyd’s team through you) any special type of editorial control over what’s written about Lloyd on Wikipedia.

As for the infobox image, either you or someone else is going to need to find a freely-licensed replacement that’s a more recent photo of Lloyd for Wikipedia and Commons to accept it. If you or someone else can find such an image that’s better for Wikipedia’s purposes, then most likely no other editors are going to object. However, if someone does object, then any disagreement is going to need to be resolved per WP:DR. In other words, Lloyd’s team can help out by providing a freely-licensed image to use instead, but there might still need to be a WP:CONSENSUS established to do so. — Marchjuly (talk) 22:28, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I am a blocked user, and I would like to request additional IP block time

I am User:Ylevental, and I have mental issues that will make it hard to not sock. I think six months' time would be fine. My IP range is at Special:Contributions/2606:5580:30C:7F9E:F4A5:547C::/64 and the quarantine makes it hard to go outside much. I've lost interest in Wikipedia anyway; this is just in case. I lost interest particularly because of endless edit wars such as Special:Diff/945920522/945925090 (concerning autism) and Special:Diff/975358290/975359916 (concerning Bernie Sanders)

 2606:5580:30C:7F9E:F4A5:547C:7C47:70C3 (talk) 21:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello there. Just a quick note to say that I do appreciate your post - thank you. I understand your request and the difficulties you must be facing at this time. Be assured that I am looking into this, and will respond again as soon as I am able. (I have posted a note at User talk:Ylevental (see here). Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:00, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

You are welcome. Thanks for the post. 2606:5580:30C:7F9E:F003:F68B:EF93:9434 (talk) 23:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

BTW I have taken up alternative baking as a hobby; I find it more agreeable with me at this time 2606:5580:30C:7F9E:F003:F68B:EF93:9434 (talk) 23:30, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Likewise, thank you for responding. (My wife and I have also done quite a bit more cooking and baking recently, too. Her homemade bread is wonderful when toasted and with butter and fig jam!) I do understand how addictive Wikipedia can sometimes be, and how ovewhelming the temptation to check and make edits so often is. As a non-autistic person, self-control is often quite hard for me, so I welcome your post, and can't possibly imagine how hard it has been for you during this time. Having checked your IP 64 range and that your post here is legit, I am shortly going to apply a /64 range block for 6 months, as you requested. Because IPv6 addresses change so much, it might be very hard for anyone to spot any future unblock request. Putting Wikipedia to one side, I just want to say that I can't really fully appreciate what you've been going through, but I am on your side. For your own good, I'm going to instigate that block for you. Please remember that wherever you are in the world, there are local agencies and volunteer bodies able to offer support if things get too much. With respect to Wikipedia, there is also this support page. Kind regards and best wishes from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:11, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

OK, my friend. That has now been done for you. Take good care. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:19, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

rikan lateef

Hello. Can you review my article if it contains an error or not and help me complete it Karrar.allamy (talk) 23:43, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

@Karrar.allamy: Please link to your draft, as you have created more than one recently. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:23, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

@Karrar.allamy: Is it Rikan Lateef? RudolfRed (talk) 00:32, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

RudolfRed Yes, this is the article and also the other, they are the world champions in the kickboxing game, and you can find their names in articles about the games Karrar.allamy (talk) 02:28, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Nic Dunlop

Dear Sir or Madam,

I didn't realise I couldn't edit my own wikipedia page and now there is a template saying that 'major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view'. Everything on the page is now up to date and factually correct. Can you help me clean it up?

Many thanks and I look forward to hearing from you,

Nic Dunlop Nicdunlop (talk) 16:39, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I did not see anything that required cleanup as such, practically the entire article was written by another editor. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:44, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Nicdunlop. You might want to look at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Relationship between the subject, the article, and Wikipedia as well as Wikipedia:Conflict of interest for information on how you can request help if you've got concerns about the content of the article. I also suggest you take a look at c:User talk:Nicdunlop#File tagging File:Nic Dunlop.jpg and c:Commons:OTRS#Licensing images: when do I contact OTRS? regarding the photo that's currently being used in the article. All you probably need to do (if you're actually the person who took the photo) is email your WP:CONSENT to Wikimedia OTRS for license verification purposes. If you didn't take the photo yourslf, then you probably shouldn't be claiming it as your "own work; in that case, please look at c:Commons:OTRS:If you are NOT the copyright holder for more details. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:31, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Turn redrict into artices

Turn redirects into articles. How do you turn redirects into articles? }} Cwater1 (talk) 02:47, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Cwater1, you just hit the edit button just like any other article, remove the redirect code that is there, and start writing an article. If you would need a lot of time and edits to make an acceptable article, you can write a draft on "Draft:" space or your "User:" space and then move the page to the location of the redirect when it is ready, or ask someone else to move it for you. Do note that there may be a reason the redirect is not an article, so you should first explore if there is an existing consensus not to have that article but only a redirect for it. If there is no such consensus, you should still make sure the topic is notable, per WP:N before you make it into an article. If in doubt, write a draft (just use this WP:Article wizard) and submit it. Someone else will check it to determine if the topic is indeed notable, and if the draft is ready, move it to the correct location. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:37, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Question on copyright for an article pdf

I found a 404'd link for a magazine article referenced in Persecution of Hindus. So I searched and found a pdf of the article, not on the website of the magazine, but just posted on the website of a Columbia University professor. Is this professor violating copyright, and would Wikipedia be violating copyright if we linked to it? I haven't been able to find any link to the article on the actual Frontline website. Assuming it can't be found, would you recommend posting the pdf, or just referencing the article without any link? Thank you. Shmarrighan (talk) 06:19, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Shmarrighan, I'm not qualified to answer your question as far as Wikipedia is concerned, although, given that the article in question was published by the Oxford Journal of Islamic Studies, it is almost certainly the copyright of either the journal or the author (Richard Eaton) or both, but not of the academic from Columbia who posted the PDF. But I did notice that Delhi Sultanate has a link to the same article; this in fact points to the journal's website which inludes a reference to the article, a one-page preview, and a link which subscribers may use to download the article. Maybe the link that you are asking about could point to the same place? Mike Marchmont (talk) 10:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Mike Marchmont Thank you, I appreciate it! I'm curious, is there a Wikipedia tool or strategy that you used to find that other reference in Delhi Sultanate? Or did you just poke around and find it by serendipity? Thanks again. Shmarrighan (talk) 06:22, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

@Shmarrighan I started by trying to find the page at Columbia where Prof. Pritchett had posted the PDF. My thinking was that that page might have had some information about her source - for example, if she had permission to post the PDF or if there was sort of licence agreement between Columbia and the journal. In order to find that page, I did a Google search. My search term was the PDF's URL, preceded by link:. That didn't lead me to the Columbia site, but the search results did include the Wikipedia article I mentioned above.

I realise that this doesn't really answer your original question - about whether Wikipedia would be violating copyright if you linked to Prof. Pritchett's upload. Perhaps a more knowledgeable Wikipedian could answer that question.

Mike Marchmont (talk) 07:52, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

That's no problem, you've given me enough information to proceed, and some good searching tips. Thank you! Shmarrighan (talk) 06:04, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Untitled

I have added few references to the article I created about Mahaveer Awards. Can you kindly guide me how to get my article approved. Wmydaughter (talk) 04:42, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Wmydaughter. Try taking a look at Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners for some general tips on how to properly write, format and cite a Wikipedia article. You might also want to look at Wikipedia:Notability for some information on the kinds of topics generally deemed OK to try and create Wikipedia articles about. Finally, you could also try asking the members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Awards and Wikipedia:WikiProject India for help since those WikiProject seem to be the ones most relevant to the subject of your draft. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:09, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link:Draft:Mahaveer Awards. Wmydaughter, I added the untitled header to your post to separate it from another. Please feel free to modify it as you like. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:49, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

I moved six references into the body of the text, but you may decide that those need to be in different places in the text. David notMD (talk) 09:48, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Need help

Hi I need help in adding/ uploading / inserting a photograph to an artist biography - the image is owned by the artist and used for publicity purposes I am her manager and she owns the image. Shaunosh1 (talk) 10:20, 29 September 2020 (UTC) Shaunosh1

Hello, Shaunosh1. If she owns the copyright to the image, then she (alone) has the power to license it in a way acceptable to Wikipedia, and must do so explicitly for it to be accepted. Please see Donating copyright materials. She needs to be aware that in doing so, she is giving irrevocable permission to anybody at all to reuse or alter the image for any purpose, commercial or not, provided they attribute it. Please note also that "publicity purposes" are fundamentally incompatible with the purposes of Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 11:22, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

deterministic bias entrapment

 2600:1700:7AA1:7D60:5C71:C6DD:765F:C854 (talk) 11:34, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello there! Welcome to Wikipedia. Could you explain what your question may be? JavaHurricane 11:56, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Team

is there a way that I can make a team? AbinadiDanvers (talk) 14:59, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello AbinadiDanvers, could you be more specific? Do you mean that you want to write an article about a sports team? – Thjarkur (talk) 15:01, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

no I want to know if you can make a team of editors?--AbinadiDanvers (talk) 17:24, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

​People usually just work by themselves on things that interest them. They can use talk pages to discuss content when needed. You can also see WikiProjects, for example WikiProject Military history, where people can discuss improvements to a broader set of articles. It would probably be quite hard to mantain a team here since it usually just comes down to yourself to be WP:BOLD and improve articles by yourself. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:37, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

no I mean editing the content of the page`s and how stuff looks. But I will see what you say tomorrow I got stuff to do, goodbye.--AbinadiDanvers (talk) 17:49, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, AbinadiDanvers. That depends on what you mean by "a team of editors". Each individual editor must have his or her own account, two or more different people must not share the same account. Editors can choose to work together. Indeed the various WikiProjects are in a sense teams of Editors. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory and linked pages for a list of existing projects, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals for where to propose a new project.

Editors can agree to work together in other ways than a project, as long as each editor has a separate account. It is best to create a page where the editors involved can discuss whatever they are working on. I can help you do that. I would need to know what the team planned to work on. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:01, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you DES I will make sure to contact you for help.--AbinadiDanvers (talk) 13:09, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Moving pages

Does anyone know how to move a page to a page that already exists? This is my first time venturing into moving pages, and cannot seem to find a way to do this without copy-pasting which is not allowed. Anyone? Heart ^(talk) 03:48, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

@HeartGlow30797: I think you may need an admin to do this. You can post a request at WP:RM. RudolfRed (talk) 04:22, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi HeartGlow30797. I don't think it's technically possible for you do so. The other existing page will need to be deleted first, and you're going to need to be an administrator to do that. It might be possible to WP:USURPTITLE the already existing page, but that can be tricky to do and the possibility of making a mistake is high if you're not familiar with the process. Generally, the way Wikipedia tries to resolve such name conflicts is through Wikipedia:Disambiguation. Disambiguation as well can sometimes tricky though when it involves determing which page is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, which editors might not always agree upon. Anyway, if you can provide more information about the page you want to move, then a Teahouse host can probably give you a more specific answer. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:34, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Page mover right is sufficient, so admins are not necessary. Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:45, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Marchjuly, thanks, I think I will build up my cred by doing simple page moves for a while. Hopefully, then I can be able to get the page mover right. Thanks, y'all! Heart ^(talk) 05:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

HeartGlow30797, Please see WP:SWAP for information about how to swap two pages. You may be able to perform this action if you have a page mover right. Once swapped, you may need a little bit cleanup as well. ─ The Aafī (^talk) 14:11, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Chronological or Reverse Chronological

Hi, I just posted my question, but I forgot to add the Subject/headline. So sorry. My question was whether Wikipedia prefers reverse chronological or ordinary chronological in a list of Awards on a BLP. Passiflorida (talk) 13:49, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Passiflorida, and welcome to the Teahouse. There is no clear rule. I think chronological, that is oldest first, is more common, but when the more recent awards are rather more significant, an article may use newest first. Any given article should be consistent, however. And awards of limiter or no significance should often be simply omitted. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:29, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Add a new listing

I am looking to add a new listing. I have all the info that needs to be posted. Can someone do that for be or do I have to do this. I don't have a clue how to do all this. Waterhead04 (talk) 14:42, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

@Waterhead04: I've left a message on your talk page at User talk:Waterhead04, with information about Wikipedia and how to contribute. You might also see WP:Your first article. Keep in mind that we specifically don't have just "listings" or "profiles". Insetad our "articles" are expected to encyclopedically summarize what independent, reliable sources have written in-depth about a notable subject. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 14:59, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Can someone help me

can someone help me edit pls I'm miserably failed Mr.Knrz. (talk) 10:26, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Mr.Knrz. appears to be attempting an autobiography as Draft:Knrz. David notMD (talk) 10:37, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Mr.Knrz., I've fixed your draft. However, do note that Wikipedia is not the right place to write about yourself. When you do become notable enough, someone who is not you will eventually write about you. – Thjarkur (talk) 11:10, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

the person Im writng about is not me I'm his mentor/manger he is known locally but not enough is that wat u mean — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr.Knrz. (talk • contribs) 11:40, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Mr.Knrz., so are you paid by him? If so, you must make a paid editing disclosure on your user page per our terms of usage. JavaHurricane 11:58, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

WP:TOOSOON applies to people who have not yet accomplished enough to meet Wikipedia's idea of notability. David notMD (talk) 13:52, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

The OP has been indeffed by Materialscientist for WP:NOTHERE. JavaHurricane 15:27, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Submission Denial

Good Day,

Could you please explain in detail what was missing from my submission? I attached links to features were they not credible enough? I would like to make the proper corrections as soon as possible. Raslambert (talk) 14:56, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

In the feedback, on the draft and on your user talk page, the words in blue are wikilinks to further advice. You have no references in the draft, but you do have a number of misplaced external links. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:12, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Raslambert. Are you referring to the content you wrote at User:Raslambert/sandbox? If so, there's a whole lot wrong with it. I'm sure others could add more:

• It's an AUTOBIOGRAPHY - you would need to declare your obvious 'Conflict of Interest'
• There's nothing much there to suggest you meet our Notabilty Criteria for living people - your awards seem relatively minor, I'm afraid.
• It's full of self-promotional, peacock wording - of the type one might expect a person to write about themselves on LinkedIn (see WP:PEACOCK)
• It's wholly unverifiable - not one reference to independent, reliable third-party sources that allow anyone to VERIFY what you say is correct. Not one reference at all, in fact. (See Reliable Sources)
• It is not written in an encyclopaedic voice. Where, for example, would I go if I wanted to verify that the following is true (even if it were acceptable phrasing, which it most definitely is not!)?: "Although his upbringing is Philadelphia based, his chivalry and southern charm were developed during the summers he spent with his mother's family in a small town called Pitt County, Rocky Mount, North Carolina."?
• The key thing to address is 'Notability' If like me and 7,000,000 others on this planet, your life's achievements haven't been reported upon in detail and in depth by mainstream media, books or journals, then any attempt to create a Wikipedia page about yourself here would, I fear, be a waste of time.

Finally, I would add that this isn't so much of a denial as a rejection of the content and sources at this time as not meeting our criteria for inclusion. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:57, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Want to publish my profile as I'm already a celebrity

I am new to wiki, I have never been here before, I want to know how can I publish my Biography to Wikipedia so people can know me more? MizanRahmanSinger (talk) 04:51, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi MizanRahmanSinger. You seem to be misunderstanding some important things about Wikipedia. I suggest you take a look at Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything, Wikipedia:Autobiography, Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing for some general information that you'll might find helpful. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:58, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

@MizanRahmanSinger, If you found the comment above mine to be confusing or ambiguous, in summary Wikipedia isn’t a platform used by anyone to promote anything or anyone. It also isn’t like a LinkedIn website where anyone can create a page for themselves as we have very stringent policies pertaining to biographical articles & notability, only notable persons can have biographical articles on Wikipedia. Celestina007 (talk) 16:37, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Necole Kane

Hello! Is there a way to get a clearer answer to what I need to change on an article to get it approved? Each time I have made updates to make it neutral or to update references, it has been dismissed. I keep trying to research, but it seems no matter what I change it won't work. Any help or guidance would be so appreciated! Thank you! EIMBC (talk) 14:47, 29 September 2020 (UTC) EIMBC (talk) 14:47, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello EIMBC, your second submission is much better than the first one, and I think it was declined based on a misunderstanding, the reviewer appears to have thought the first draft was still awaiting review. You could copy the text of User:EIMBC/sandbox over to Draft:Necole Kane and try to resubmit it. – Thjarkur (talk) 15:19, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

For reference, there are both User:EIMBC/sandbox and Draft:Necole Kane. Only one of them should be worked on (preferably the Draft: I think) and the other should be blanked. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:48, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Adding page numbers

Hi! Is there a guide somewhere to when you should add page numbers in a citation source and when you should not? Presuming direct quotes have to have a page number? Thanks Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 18:34, 29 September 2020 (UTC) Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 18:34, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

@Maryanne Cunningham: generally, you should always add page numbers, maybe except when the text you cite only contains one or two pages. Persons attempting to check the source don't want to read 110 pages to verify something. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:39, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Victor Schmidt Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 18:43, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

The help page WP:CITEPAGE has a discussion of alternative ways of adding page citations. --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 18:52, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

HTML Mark Up Question

How do I write in HTML the symbol for "plus or minus"? It should render as a plus sign underscored. WStlw 18:17, 29 September 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by WilliamSell (talk • contribs)

WilliamSell, you can use ± (click edit to see the code). Hope this helps :) Ed talk! 18:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

You can also use ±. There's a long list of HTML entities here. Zindor (talk) 18:25, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

​There's also the handy template {{Plusminus}} – Thjarkur (talk) 19:04, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Please help

I had a Wikipedia page earlier, but it seems to have disappeared into cyberspace. May I please request the 'Authors' here to kindly help me retrieve the same? Www.imamsiddique.com

https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/ImamSiddique/imamispresents Imam A Siddique (talk) 18:58, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

This appears to be about Imam A Siddique. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:02, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Imam A Siddique, welcome to Wikipedia and the teahouse. Your article has been a redirect since 2019. You can retrieve an older version of the page using the "page history" feature, see here. Ed talk! 19:05, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Article on illicit trade changed to a redirection

Hi, the article I created on illicit trade was converted to a redirection to the article on black market by another editor, who judged it was a duplicate topic. The discussion that followed with this editor can be found at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#Redirecting_illicit_trade_to_black_market

The question is whether illicit trade and black markets are two distinct topics that each deserve their article, or whether the two are sufficiently synonyms for the former to be a redirection to the latter. I would like to ask the input of other Wikipedians on whether there is detailed policy to address such matter (I could find not it). Also, what would be the best way to reach consensus: is it to start a discussion on the talk page of black market?

FYI here is latest version of the article on illicit trade: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Illicit_trade&oldid=974366109

Many thanks for your input, Factfox (talk) 13:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC) Factfox (talk) 13:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Factfox, what the other editor did was perform a WP:BOLD WP:MERGE. If the two of you disagree, you can revert it or ask that they revert it and start a proper merge discussion as outlined at WP:MERGE. There's no issue having that discussion with the merge in place either, but that could be confusing to some editors. So, it's best to revert articles to the stable version before your contested change took place and then have the discussion for the change. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:52, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Usedtobecool, this is very useful and exactly the input I needed. Best, Factfox (talk) 15:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool The other editor asked that I disclose my COI on this thread. I explained on his talk page that I do not have a COI with this topic , but I may be a connected contributor as I did some academic work on this topic. Factfox (talk) 21:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC) 

Factfox, I have not investigated the issue but if it's just about you adding references to your own academic work, please see WP:SELFCITE and abide by it. If someone challenges any of your citations to your own work, it is best to proceed as though you have a COI in trying to get that reference in, since you are unlikely to be able to be completely objective about the quality and relevance of your own work. That means you can make your case, seek broader input if needed, but should refrain from adding them back to the articles yourself once they are challenged.

I do not care to find out where you are employed and what that organisation's relationship is with "illicit trade". Since this is a general topic, I can't imagine any single organisation that you could be a member of that would make you ineligible to contribute to the whole of the article. But, if and when your organisation or its competitors become relevant within the discussion of the topic (this includes, for example, suggesting that one of the good approaches to tackling illicit trade is [insert one that your employer subscribes to]), you do have a COI and should refrain from adding such content to the article directly. I think there's a line to be toed here between the value you could bring as a subject matter expert and potential of compromise to WP:NPOV because of your close relationship with the topic.

Finally, if you reach an impasse on whether you have a COI and how much, there's WP:COIN to seek opinions, from other editors, about it. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:00, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool, sorry for the late reply but I wanted to thank you for taking the time to clarify these topics for me. It clarifies the general approach with respect to COI, and the potential situations  where I need to be especially careful. Have a great day, Factfox (talk) 20:52, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

DEFACEbook- combining WIKI and Facebook

is there anything out there that lets you draw on a web page and save it to that site. Like, if u had a group of users, like facebook, and yet let people draw over the original idea, similar to wiki,,, but like, if there was a picture/meme on line, you could actually deface it, like ppl used to add moustaches to womens pic??? Richengle (talk) 22:00, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm afraid your question is irrelevant to Wikipedia, and pretty much verges on 'trolling' - take care to focus on building this free encyclopaedia. That's what we're all here for. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:15, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

French Open 2020 page

Why has the French Open 2020 page dropped the Singles Table with points lost or gained? It has always been the best part of the yearly update. 98.150.164.140 (talk) 21:43, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. I think your question might be more appropriate if you were to ask it at the talk page of 2020 French Open, where other editors might be able to explain a rationale for content removal. There have been a huge number of edits in recent days, so you're bound to get a reply there. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:20, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Translate

hi can a person change the language of Wikipedia by using southafrican languages to find meanings of words. Bdetfehigj (talk) 20:16, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Bdetfehigj, you can find a list of Wikipedia's in different languages at https://wikipedia.org or at meta:List_of_Wikipedias Ed talk! 21:07, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

But if you're looking for meanings of words, Bdetfehigj, you might have more success at Wiktionary. The English Wiktionary aims to have all words in all languages (though of course that goal is impossible to achieve), and entries often include translations of the word or phrase into other languages. --ColinFine (talk) 22:22, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

The English Wikipedia is meant to be read in English, Bdetfehigj, but you may want to use Google Translate. There are several South African language Wikipedias, but they have far fewer articles: isiXhosa, isiZulu, Sepedi, Afrikaans

Tags on Page

How do I know what language to remove when a tag is placed on my page? Also, what do I do about a UDP tag on my page? 2600:8806:100:E1E:A9CB:265A:2A56:21FE (talk) 21:23, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. Could you please explain what you mean by "my page"? If you work for the company (Attain (consulting firm)) you have absolutely no rights whatsoever over its contents, all of which should be based upon independent, published sources. If you plan to edit that page, you must declare your connection with it on your userpage, per WP:PAID. However, as you are an IPv6 user (and your editing address is liable to change from day to day), you are best advised to register for a free account and declare it on your userpage. (Choose a username which is non-promotional).

The page was created by a user who was blocked for spamming/covert paid advertising, so I think the tag must stay. You are free to discuss this at the article talk page. Whilst at it, you might like to consider whether the article itself meets our notability criteria - I suspect others now will review that. To me, none of the sources show it meets our Notabilty Criteria for companies. If you know of independent, non-insider sources which have talked about this company in detail and in depth, you are welcome to suggest them in the article talk page. But do not edit the article again until you have declared any paid connection with it as the business owner or empoyeee. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:38, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Disruptive Editor

Another editor is continuously removing and replacing photos without a consensus on List of Donald Trump 2020 presidential campaign endorsements. When asked about it, they said they will continue to edit war. How can this user's disruptive editing be handled? How can I go about bringing an administrator in? Pennsylvania2 (talk) 18:06, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

@Pennsylvania2: First, do not engage in any edit war yourself. You can post a request for help at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring RudolfRed (talk) 18:10, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

@Pennsylvania2: Or you can revert once, and then discuss your concerns and rationale on the article talk page, and hope to gain consensus. No editor is going to survive long if they express and follow through with the view that they can revert ad infinitum unless they are solely reverting vandalism. That way leads to blocks for disruptive editing. I'm staying out of arguments over the article itself, though I do feel it has far too many unnecessary photos. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:01, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Promotional words

Hello! I recently created a page for Anderson Obiagwu which was declined due to use of promotional words which I have since corrected. I would like to have a second or third review to know if I am on the right track for approval. Thank you. LeahNJ (talk) 22:39, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Anderson Obiagwu. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:04, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello LeahNJ. Your draft still contains promotional language such as "his commitment to pushing African music" and "he celebrated 10 years in the entertainment industry launching his memoir". Your prose needs to be completely neutral without any trace of promotion. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:11, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Question about edit wars.

This is a purely hypothetical question, but I was wondering if you see 2 or more Wikipedia users engaged in a edit war, should you attempt to stop them, ignore the editing and move on to something else, tell an administrator, or try to find some other solution? Once again, this is hypothetical, as I have not seen anyone engaged in edit wars myself. TheKingCartii (talk) 23:03, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello TheKingCartii. You can try to persuade the editors to stop, but the place to file a formal report is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. If you are interested in preventing edit warring, you can read the discussions there to learn more. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:17, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, TheKingCartii. Welcome to the Teahouse. As a new and young editor, (minor) I would advise you to stay out of edit wars, including advising other editors of not breaching our WP:3RR rules unless you are really confident of our rules and guidelines. But many editors do try to ameliorate conflict situations. You could express you opinion on the article talk page, and encourage discussion. But if you're not confident, I suggest you steer clear of direct interaction. WP:TWINKLE allows easy warning of editors involved in disputes of the consequences of edit warring (assuming you can find the relevant templated message to leave them). But probably the best way is to report edit warring users at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring (shortcut: WP:AN3). Does this help? Nick Moyes (talk) 23:18, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Yep! Thanks, you guys! Looks like I got more articles to read. TheKingCartii (talk) 00:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, all!

My name is Maurice B Thomas, in no need of anonymity, and incredulous of the antics of one poster, widely regarded as a "troll." So, my initial question is, "Who is he?"MARKETEX2020 (talk) 09:07, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

MARKETEX2020 are you talking about Viewmont Viking, who posted a warning on your page, and who you made a legal threat against? Please read Wikipedia:No legal threats. In answer to your question: that editor is an experienced user, and what he put on your page was a standard warning against changing content without providing a reliable source. Bishonen | tålk 09:15, 29 September 2020 (UTC).

MARKETEX2020 You added content to Timuel Black and Pervis Spann without providing reliable source references. Viewmont Viking reverted the changes and politely posted on your Talk page that the content was removed due to lack of referencing, but could be added back if references were provided. That is standard procedure. As Bishinen noted, VV is an experienced and highly regarded editor - the antithesis of a "troll." Your posting of your credentials on VV's Talk page are for naught; all (well some) of us are experts or have unique access to information. Threatening a "legal snafu" on your own Talk page was, hopefully, hyperbole in the heat of the moment (since removed by you), and so you are free to continue to add valuable information to articles. Just remember that truth is required, but verification via references is also required. This is especially true for biographies of living people. David notMD (talk) 10:08, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

The existing entries, for both subjects, remain defamatory, in my humble opinion, as they contain erroneous information about African Americans,(ala 'Amos 'n' Andy') which tends to defame the subjects, both of whom, well known to myself and others, would find the entries objectionable as erroneous.

Both men are African Americans who are advanced in age (88 years and 101 years respectively for Mr. Spann and Mr. Black) who have not, to my knowledge, even seen these entries or are unlikely to ever see these entries, while they remain defamed without their knowledge. MARKETEX2020 (talk) 13:13, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

You should allow the corrections submitted, as even your assertion that, for example, Mr. Black's parents were sharecroppers could not possibly have been true as they lived in urban industrial settings in Bessemer, Florence, and Birmingham, Alabama, where there is no opportunity for agricultural pursuits of any kind whatsoever, and Steel Mills are prevalent.MARKETEX2020 (talk) 13:13, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

My Sources are my own direct knowledge and the subjects themselves, whose interviews I have either conducted over periods as long as 60 years (I attended Farragut High School, where Mr. Black taught, from 1959-1963, for example) or where I have attempted to include such first person interviews, while such inclusion has been prohibited by Wikimedia.MARKETEX2020 (talk) 13:13, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Your suspicions of paid employment by the subjects of myself are personally insultingMARKETEX2020 (talk) 13:13, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

I did not initiate either entry, I only supplied corrections to erroneous assumptions or supplied excluded facts about each subject.MARKETEX2020 (talk) 13:13, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Case In Point: Your original entry on Mr Black excluded both his children and all but one spouse.MARKETEX2020 (talk) 13:13, 29 September 2020 (UTC) Case In Point: Your original entry on Mr Spann portrayed him as if a buffoon devoid of technical or business skill.MARKETEX2020 (talk) 13:13, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

I personally am willing to believe every thing you want to add is true, based on your personal knowledge. Wikipedia requires references, regardless. On the flip side, if there is derogatory content without references, that should be removed. As for being questioned about paid, that is a standard query - not intended to be personally insulting - whenever a new editor is focusing on one or a few articles. A simple declaration on your User page that you are not being paid to edit the articles on T. Black or P. Spann is sufficient. David notMD (talk) 13:46, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

To your "Case In Point": About T. Black, the article was created in July 2019 and edited dozens of time before your first edit. Likewise, the P. Spann article was created in 2012. Almost all articles at Wikipedia are a cumulative effort by multiple editors. Your addition of spouses and children remain in the Black article because the content is referenced. The paragraph you want to add about P. Spann being able to draw coverage maps was reverted because it lacked a reference. David notMD (talk) 14:10, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

If there is a way I can help you with your problem tell me, I would love to help.--AbinadiDanvers (talk) 14:15, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, everyone. @MARKETEX2020: I User:Nigetastic (talk) created the initial article. I have met Timuel Black a few times, but my connection was more to the group who facilitated the publication of his memoir "Sacred Ground." The original entry was scant, I'll admit. Time was short, but I thought his life deserved an entry here. And my observation about wikipedia is that, rather than create one detailed, polished entry all in one go, sometimes it's better simply to get the basics in and let others continue to add and shape in their own words and way. I didn't need to "own" the shape of Tim's story. If I skipped over swathes of Tim's life, it was in the spirit of leaving a space for others to participate. . . . But I have 2-3 copies of the book that I'd be glad to mail to those who'd like to read about this amazing man and to help flesh out this entry.

About Tim's parents, MARKETEX2020 is correct according to Tim Black. First, framing his family's life with the Great Migration, Black writes that his father migrated *two times*, first "from tenant farms where they chopped cotton to the market town of Florence, Alabama" (a non-industrial town in N. Alabama), and (later in the same paragraph) that his father "worked for Bessemer Steel in Birmingham, Alabama" before moving north. So Tim didn't say his father was a sharecropper in Bessemer but that he had been "a tenant farmer" who worked in Birmingham at Bessemer Steel. Bessemer, AL is adjacent to B'ham near where the mills are, but the book doesn't say where the family lived.

Now, the diff between "tenant farmer" and a "sharecropper" is small but meaningful. Tenant farmers have their own tools, gear, and livestock. A sharecropper doesn't. Tim called his father "a tenant farmer." The same memoir, however, includes a tribute to Tim that Sen Richard Durbin (D-IL) introduced into the US Congressional Record in 2017 that referred to Tim as having come from "sharecroppers." The upshot is that I think--just my opinion--that a hundred years ago, most readers in a mostly rural USA could and would differentiate between tenant farmers and sharecroppers. These days, I think people just say "sharecroppers" as a poetic and generic word for poor or working-class agriculture families.

I'm happy to dip and add this, but, as I said, I have a couple of copies of his memoir--a very brisk and conversational work--that I'd be glad to mail to someone else if they'd like to participate. Nigetastic (talk) 21:05, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, all. As a follow up, I have updated the Timuel Black entry with a paragraph that succinctly recaps the points in my note above buttressed with one citation to his memoir and a second from the Congressional Record (instead of the book's repeat of the tribute in the Congressional Record). There is still a lot that one could fill in here, of course. With hope, this will have removed a couple of points of disagreement so we can move this forward. Thanks. Nigetastic (talk) 21:00, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Nigetastic Thanks for defining the difference between sharecroppers and tenant farmers. I have lived around/in rural areas of NC, lifelong. This important difference, which affects “status” is well-known, at least to people of a certain age. From an historical perspective , it is important for us to recognize the difference. Thanks for creating and now, maintaining, Timuel Black. Thanks also to MARKETEX2020, for introducing this topic, here at the Teahouse, which was done in good faith, and produced desirable results. Best wishes and respect, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 22:35, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Tribe of Tiger Native Alabaman here. And since I'm the last person alive who says 'Alabaman' (instead of 'Alabamian'), you can tell I'm of a certain age. You're welcome, sir.

Nigetastic Well, second-person alive, count me in! (From my view, “Alabamian” sounds strange.) I think people often forget that the Southern United States covers a large amount of the US. “Sweet Home Alabama” to you...from “Carolina in My Mind”! Thanks, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 02:03, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Greetings, I am new at this and would like help editing a page about the boardgame called PICHENOTTE

Hello, Regarding the entry for the boardgame of PICHENOTTE at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pichenotte I do have a 'conflict of interest', since I own the United States trademark for PICHENOTTE and have been making the game since 1997. Although some of the content is correct, this entry for pichenotte is very narrow in scope, has several inaccuracies and many statements without citations.

It also promotes a manufacturer, named as Pinnochi, which seems to be a violation of Wiki rules (?) and the manufacturer seems to be very obscure or non-existent. I am not trying to promote my business, but would like my customers to see accurate information on Wikipedia about the game of pichenotte.

With a friend, we made some changes last year, but, being newbies, we used no citations and the whole article we created was deleted. That was somewhat understandable, but it could have been the beginning of a collaborative effort instead of just wiping it out. Can I get help from an experienced, neutral editor to make this entry more correct or do I have to try and do it all myself ? I have a lot of citations and references now, and would like to work with someone who has an interest in promoting an accurate entry for the game. Thank you. Vlaad_Quebec 07:01, 28 September 2020 (UTC) Vlaad_Quebec 07:01, 28 September 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThreeVictors (talk • contribs)

First, there is no "we" in Wikipedia. A friend may advise you, but you are the only person who should be making edits from your account. Second, please remember to 'sign' your comments bytyping four of ~ at the end. Third, editors who add content need to add citations at the same time. Fourth, your situation is actually paid, not just COI. See WP:PAID for declaring such on your User page. As a paid editor, you should refrain from editing the article directly. Instead, you should propose specific changes in a new section on the article's Talk page, so that an independent editor can decide to implement or not. David notMD (talk) 07:49, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

@ThreeVictors: I've worked on the article some (a long time ago), and am willing to take a look at additional material for it. It is not impermissible for WP to mention companies, of course. We have many entire articles on companies. For games, major manufacturers are often mentioned (including now-defunct ones). So, it's not problematic for Pinnochi to be mentioned, or ThreeVictors's company to be mentioned, if we have sources for them. Anyway, a good bet would be to put draft material at something like User:ThreeVictors/Draft:Pichenotte, with {{Userspace draft}} at the top of it, then drop me a line at User talk:SMcCandlish and I'll see about integrating some of the material. Trademarks only apply within particular jurisdictions (and a US trademark on the name of French-Canadian folk game is of limited encyclopedic relevance – should not dominate coverage of the topic). Plus we have WP:NOT#PROMO policy. So, some care will have to be taken to not make it sound like a promo for a particular company. If the article already had problems in that regard, toward the old company, it sounds like it needs revision anyway. Coverage of US adoption/availability of a Canadian game or vice versa is encyclopedically relevant, in due amounts. Should be included, but someone with a direct financial conflict of interest should probably not be making the changes. Using a draft and an experienced third-party editor who has no stake in the matter to review the suggested changes is probably the best bet. I've worked before with explicit CoI editors, to good effect.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:09, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Update: It's been brought to my attention that Pichenotte has been nominated for deletion or merger, here. Despite this, additional draft material could be useful, especially if it provides reliable sources independent of the subject. In the short term, that may help keep the article. In the longer term, if could help restore it if deleted, or contributed to better coverage of the subject if merged.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  08:08, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello SMcCandlish, thanks for your input and I will post my referenced material, as you suggest, at User:ThreeVictors/Draft:Pichenotte and drop you a line when substantial material is added. My Google search for Pinnochi refers one to 'Pinocchio' and one company that seems to be out of business or out of stock material In any case, I do have plenty to add and will beging soon. Thank you. Replying to David non MD...I understand that I am the sole author. I don't receive any money for editing, so I am not sure why I would be considered a WP:PAID editor, even after reading the notes about it. Are you saying that it is because I have a business ? If so, will declare it. Thank you. In any case I will proceed. I have nothing to hide and will declare all relevant information I can think of. And all this is new to me, so please bear with me as I stumble along. I am considering perhaps a new page creation, such as American Pichenotte, or Southwest Pichenotte, or Santa Fe Pichenotte, because I understand there is a legitimate claim that the square version of the board is popular and common in Quebec. The round version is also popular in Quebec and uses the same name of pichenotte, and this is where my family heritage is and many friends of non-French origion say the same thing. It seems more of a case of common terms being used for different games, as in pocket billiards, the correct term, perhaps for pool. We cannot require all pool halls to be renamed pocket billiard halls, so pichenotte players cannot be told to refer to their game as crokinole. Or for example, football and the many variations of football around the world. We can't tell Australians that Australian rules football must change their name because football is an American game with specific rules. But I can see where this gets very difficult to provide accuracy in all the Wikipedia articles without bias. Very tricky and hairsplitting. Anyway, accurate and non-biased information is what I am trying to accomplish, as I am sure you are trying to do same. Thank you.ThreeVictors (talk) 09:25, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

References

I have made suggestions for PICHENOTTE here at ThreeVictors (talk) 02:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

References

A page I want to edit is protected, how do I submit request to help edit?

I have a page I would like to edit, by adding information about:

Seventeen's Japanese comeback in September 2020 with mini album 24H, source: https://www.seventeen-17.jp/statics/24h

24H's achievement to top Japan Oricon chart, the first non-Japanese international male artist to achieve a fourth-consecutive win on the weekly album chart, source: http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200915000374 and http://www.koreatimesus.com/seventeen-earns-fourth-consecutive-oricon-album-chart-win-with-24h/

Seventeen Joshua and DK's collaboration with US based singer, PinkSweats, source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/tamarherman/2020/09/24/pink-sweat--seventeen-discuss-coming-together-on-17-remix-in-age-of-corona/#263097005519 BarbaraUkulele (talk) 02:31, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

This appears to be about Seventeen (South Korean band), which is protected. Proper place is to propose changes on the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 02:44, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

@BarbaraUkulele: You can follow the steps at Wikipedia:Edit requests and make your request at the talk page of the article. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 03:14, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

using the file: Датотека:TelekomSrbija-logo.svg in my article

Hello, can you help for me how can I use this picture in my article. When I download this link i resive the mail that this file uncorrect and will be deleted. thanks a lot for your answer Marija W Marinkovic (talk) 11:40, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

The file which you have named in the section header is presumably in another language's Wikipedia, and can't be used here on enwiki. I see that you have uploaded various logo files both to enwiki and to Wikimedia Commons, & declared them to be licenced under creative commons 4.0, but stated that the owner is Telekom Srbija. It isn't, however, clear that you are authorised to give that licence release on behalf of Telekom Srbija. If the company wishes to release copyright, it should follow the process at WP:Donating copyrighted material. What is more usual for company logos is for them to be used under a fair-use exemption, see WP:Logos. It is also not entirely clear why you are creating a new draft article in your user sandbox, rather than updating the existing article at Mts (Telekom Srbija). --David Biddulph (talk) 12:01, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Publishing a translated article

I have translated a short article from German Wikipedia, which I created myself, into English. Apparently, only more experienced editors than I are allowed to publish translated articles on en.wikipedia, so I placed the translation into my own userspace. I created a "talk" page, whatever exactly that amounts to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bernhard_Ritter

Naturally, I would like to have the translated article checked and published. It is a page on Maria von Herbert, a correspondent of philosopher Immanuel Kant. It is not clear to me what I am supposed to do next. I am not in a hurry and will check back tomorrow. Bernhard Ritter (talk) 00:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Bernhard Ritter. I'm not sure what you mean by Apparently, only more experienced editors than I are allowed to publish translated articles on en.wikipedia, unless you mean you're not being allowed to create an article for some technical reason. Anyway, you can create a draft for the article and submit it to Wikipedia:Articles for creation for review if you like.

Some other things for you to consider are Wikipedia:Translation, Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia#Translating from other language Wikimedia projects, and Wikipedia:Notability (people). The first two pages are mainly about what you need to do to ensure that the content you've translated isn't a WP:COPYVIO. Wikipedia's licensing pretty much allows the content found in its articles to be freely re-used for any purpose, but it does require that proper attribution be given. So, even though you might've have been the main or primary contributor to the German Wikipedia article, it's still probably best for you to properly attribute the original article to avoid any problems. The last page has to do with the concept of Wikipedia notability. Each Wikipedia project has its own policies and guidelines and English Wikipedia's tend to be more rigorously applied than perhaps those for some other language Wikipedias. So, just because an article exists on German Wikipedia that doesn't automatically mean it should exist on English Wikipedia; in other words, you're going to have to establish that Herbert meets relevant English Wikipedia notability guidelines in order for such an article to survive a deletion nomination. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:08, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: It looks like the OP does not have enough edits yet to be autoconfirmed here at en wiki. RudolfRed (talk) 01:28, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Appears the draft was created and then deleted by Bernhard Ritter at User:Bernhard Ritter/Maria von Herbert-2 Even if not autoconfirmed, the instructions about for creating a draft and once satisfied with the content, submitting to AfC, apply. David notMD (talk) 01:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly. Thank you for your detailed reply. I will submit the translated article as a draft to Wikipedia:Articles for creation including "proper attribution" and a hyperlink to the original page. My phrase Apparently, only more experienced editors than I are allowed to publish translated articles on en.wikipedia was worded after a message displayed on the page in explanation why I cannot publish the page myself. As RudolfRed notes, it must have to do with the fact that the OP does not have enough edits. I understand that I will have to argue that Maria von Herbert meets the relevant notability guidelines when submitting the draft.

@David notMD: I deleted only a copy, or a version "2", of the draft. I was referring to User:Bernhard Ritter/Maria von Herbert instead. Thanks for confirming that the instructions in Wikipedia:Articles for creation apply to my case. -- Bernhard Ritter (talk) 11:57, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Good luck with the draftBernhard Ritter. In case you didn't know, you can cite non-English sources as long as they otherwise meet English Wikipedia's definition of reliable sources. You also can use sources that aren't available online as long as they have been published and reasonably accessible. Finally, the "References" section generally comes before the "External links" section in English Wikipedia articles per WP:ORDER. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:06, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Marchjuly, I moved the "External Links" section to where it belongs. All the information provided in the article has already been published and referenced otherwise. Bernhard Ritter (talk) 12:34, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Eagles lifespan

 79.120.177.234 (talk) 12:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This is a place to ask questions about using Wikipedia; general questions may be asked at the Reference Desk; we do have a good article on Eagles that may have the information you are looking for. 331dot (talk) 12:46, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Reference

Hi.

How do you add this as a reference?

youtu.be/rJQTqcV12ik?t=9m4s

on YouTube appears failing.Kacziey (talk) 13:20, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Firstly, immediately above where you placed your question, it says: "Please post new questions at the BOTTOM of the page", so I have moved it here.

Secondly, in {{youtube}} it says: "This is not a citation template. Use {{cite AV media}} to provide bibliographic citations in footnotes".

David Biddulph (talk) 13:30, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks and sorry. Still new here.Kacziey (talk) 13:34, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Help to write a page about Cafetran Espresso

Hello,

Background: Cafetran Espresso is a Computer-Aided Translation software tool. It has a sizable amount of users, in particular - but not only - under Linux (Indeed, it is totally cross-platform, and one of the few professional tools under Linux.) It is sufficiently notable to be offered as incentive with the premium membership of ProZ.com (a large community of translators). A couple of years ago, I discovered it was not even listed on the CAT tool comparison page. The reason being that it did not have its own WP page. So I created one. Several people contributed. The page grew organically, some mistakes were made. At the end, its submission was declined then rejected.

I decided to start afresh. I stripped it to the core to remain factual. Now I am trying to add references. And here, I bump into a wall. Primary sources are forbidden, which precludes all references to user-groups, technical documentations, etc. As secondary source, Youtube videos are not accepted, which remove all courses, presentations at conferences., etc. Blogs are not accepted, so that removes all software tool comparisons, description of features, case-studies, etc. It is not a tool develop in academia So there is no published research article (then, it would be easy. After 25 years in academia, I know that we can write a paper about any script, and then create a page on WP. Nobody blinks).

What would be considered a reliable source? Would a blog post coming from a blog regularly posting on CAT tools and comparing them be acceptable? Are-they not the XXI century equivalents of "magazines"?

A large amount of mentions and references is presented on Draft_talk:Cafetran_Espresso. That should definitively settle the notability issue (which still baffles all of us to be honest). Now the problem is which one to include without falling into the trap of "trying to sell the software". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lenov (talk • contribs) 16:24, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Disclaimer: I have absolutely no involvement with Cafetran Espresso development or trade. I am just a user. As are all the other people who tried to contribute to the page as far as I know. Nicolas Gambardella (talk) 16:14, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Lenov. Wikipedia-notability can be frustrating, particular for certain kinds of topic (eg some software, You-tubers, film editors) because they don't get written about much. But consider this: because Wikipedia can be edited by anybody, then even if information in an article started out accurate, it can easily have been altered by mistake, or to advance a point of view, or maliciously. The reader - anywhere, any time - needs to be able to verify it, and so every single piece of information needs to have been published (and, ideally, the source cited). But information in self-published sources (including most blogs) is pretty worthless: anybody can write any old tripe and publish it on the web, or even in a book. So we require sources published by somebody with a reputation for fact-checking and editorial contgrol. Blogs by somebody recognised as an expert in the relevant field may sometimes be regarded as reliable, but most are not. Next, consider how valuable is information from the subject of the article, or from people closely connected with the subject: for some kinds of information (eg places, dates) this is usually regarded as reliable; but anything that might be contentious - and in particular, anything about the virtues of the subject, or the shortcomings of rivals - cannot safely be taken from connected sources; which is why we strongly prefer Independent sources. (Primary sources explains when non-independent sources may be used). But if there are essentially no independent reliable sources, then there is basically nothing can go in the article. --ColinFine (talk) 17:06, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

At the momentr, Lenov, the draft (not the talk page the draft itself) cites 7 sources of these, the first is from the company's site, so it is not independent. The second is an academic [a[er, which is often good, but it is not online, so I cannot judge how significant the coverage of CTE is. The third is a similar paper, but an abstract is available. CTE is not mentioned at all in the abstract. The fourth is a comparison listing, which is independent, but does not contain significant coverage, being only brief mention. The fifth is a book. It looks reliable, but is not available online. do I cannot judge if the discussion of CYE is extensive or is less than a single sentence. Thew last two are from github, and list file formats that the software covers, and other documentation. but these are supplied by the developers, apparently, or else are user-generated content. in either case, they do not count for notability. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:39, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

The second cite (Yapa; Ariyaratne) is now expanded with a free-to-read link. The product is mentioned once in a list of translators, so it does nothing for notability (or much else). Also, for future reference, the publisher (Research and Scientific Innovation Society) may be one of the paid journal mills with limited or no peer review. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:24, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice, I'll keep digging in all the sources. Computing science research is unfortunately mostly published in journals with paywalls. However, using SciHub, one can access some papers. And few books are online available for all. This is basically the catch-22 situation. Either we have "reliable sources", but they have to be bought, or we have free resources but deemed unreliable. What we failed to understand is why many other CAT tools, with lower notabilities are allowed to have pages. Look at the references: Across Language Server, Pootle, Gtanslator, MetaTexis, Open_Language_Tools. Even some of the main players have lists of references that would be deemed unsuitable according to the rules, see Smartcat, Déjà_Vu_(software) Nicolas Gambardella (talk) 07:39, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

So, I think this one is good, right? Academic, published, conference in London, PDF available, figure showing clear notability (I was actually surprise to see CTE in 3rd position!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lenov (talk • contribs) 07:54, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

No, it's not good. It is another trivial mention. These sources need to discuss Cafetran in some depth. All that source does is include it in a list of survey results. - MrOllie (talk) 12:08, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that is its aim. The citation is put after the mention of surveys. I am trying to match statements and references. Some references for usage, some references for the supported file formats, etc. I think a user survey showing Cafetran as 3rd after SDL Trados and MemoQ, in front of Across, Wordfast, and Déjà Vu is pretty strong (all having already Wikipedia pages). Let's be clear, there are no articles describing Cafetran in depth. What would be the point? Who would write that? The only people would be the developers. And those sources would therefore be ineligible. And which journal would accept them? This kind of detailed description belong to user-manual (ineligible) and blogs (ineligible). There is nothing specific to Cafetran Espresso here. This is the case of the many productivity software. Millions of users would bot change that. Nicolas Gambardella (talk) 13:37, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

If there are no in-depth sources, the topic is not notable and you're probably wasting your time working on the draft. You need to start with 2-3 in-depth, reliable sources and summarize them. - MrOllie (talk) 14:18, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Same soruce, different number

How do I make that two separate statements sourced by the same source have the same number superscript? 1+1=yes (talk) 13:32, 30 September 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1+1=yes (talk • contribs)

Instead of the usual <ref>content</ref>, give it a name the first time you use it, like <ref name="myName">content</ref>. For every subsequent use, you can simply put <ref name="myName"/>. Note the extra slash! See WP:REFNAME for more details. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 13:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Failed ping to 1+1=yes. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 13:59, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Ok, understood 1+1=yes (talk) 14:00, 30 September 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1+1=yes (talk • contribs)

Why is this tiny 1+1=yes (talk) 14:04, 30 September 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1+1=yes (talk • contribs)

@1+1=yes: It's not anymore, I had a misplaced slash myself that I corrected. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 14:36, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

:)

Delete my User:MirahezeGuy/sandbox/1 and a stub template I recently made, they're unnecessary now --MirahezeGuy (talk) 14:17, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

@MirahezeGuy: I see you've already request speedy deletion of the page under G7, so it will get deleted in the near future. FYI, you can delete pages under your own userspace (any page that begins with User:MirahezeGuy/...) under U1 as well. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 14:29, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done See WP:REFUND if you ever change your mind, or get in touch. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:09, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

In a request for closure, are edits pre-request for comment and private thanks post-request for comment allowed to be mentioned?

In This request for closure of an expired request for comments, I go into detail about edits from the dispute that caused the request for comments, as none of the other three users in the dispute ever commented on it (with one being inactive for most of it). In fact, all of the votes for the RFC were to keep the content on the page, but there were only 4 votes (including mine), so I felt the need to mention the other three users in the dispute. Additionally, I mention the advice from one of the opposing users that the page needed secondary sources, and then link to an image showing a private thanks from him for me adding said secondary sources. Are these details allowed or not for a request for closure? Considering how low the participation was for the RFC, I felt the need to mention the other users in the dispute due to them not commenting on the RFC, but now I’m having second thoughts that said details aren’t allowed. Unnamed anon (talk) 05:53, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Unnamed anon, welcome! What you say here in this post seems fine and also enough for any potential closer. What you've said there doesn't seem neutral and is therefore likely not fine. If the closer should be aware of other discussions, list them in proper order and if you must provide further information, do it like you've done here (I mean neutrally; I don't mean without diffs).

I am answering only because I noticed that this post was somewhat neglected, so please consider my response an opinion and not an answer. Whenever I am at WP:ANRFC, it looks to me like Redrose64 is tending to it. And I have also noticed Rosguill (apologies for pinging you this, the third time in as many days) helping out there. If either of them have any advice, you'll probably receive it too, now that I've pinged them. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:38, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

I agree with Usedtobecool, at AN/RFC you make slightly too much of an actual argument. Since we're on the topic of RfC closures Unnamed anon, I want to point out that I corrected some mistakes in your filing of the close of a discussion at Nikolai Lukashenko. Your comment at the actual discussion could also have been better written; it reads more like you're taking the side of the consensus rather than summarizing it, you forgot to sign the discussion and you didn't invoke WP:SNOW. That having been said, given the one-sidedness of the discussion I don't think anyone will object, but generally speaking I would maybe avoid closing discussions, and particularly ones where the close is out of process, until you have a bit more experience participating in them. Even if your assessments of consensus are accurate, editors are more likely to object to your close than they would a more experienced editor. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 15:10, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

films

sir why my page of K. B. pathak was deleted from the sandbox it was send for pubilcation we are new to this page so please help me out K B Pathak (talk) 06:06, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

K B Pathak, if you are referring to your sandbox, the deletion log says that you requested deletion. See WP:REFUND if you wish to get it back. I see you got blocked temporarily for unsourced content, if you wish to continue editing read WP:CITE and then request for an unblock. Heart ^(talk) 06:12, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

See Kader Khan for an example of an article about a person active in the India movie industry. Your draft is just a list of movies for which K B Pathak did the screenplay. David notMD (talk) 09:57, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

K B Pathak, your topic of choice seems notable but you seem to be having problems writing a draft that will get accepted. Perhaps someone might help you if you asked nicely at WT:INDIA? Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:12, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Turning URLs blue!

Hello - I'm very new to Wiki and learning slowly. I've edited a page, and added new footnotes for the page on John Pinney. One of the existing URLs (note 12) in the References list is in blue, but the ones I've added aren't, and I can't work out why. Can someone tell me? Ruthhenrietta (talk) 12:14, 28 September 2020 (UTC) Ruthhenrietta (talk) 12:14, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

@Ruthhenrietta: The blue text that you see are links to the citations, you might find Wikipedia:Citing sources helpful, additionally I'm including a link to the page Template:Cite book which has the script you would need to cite books. I've adjusted two of your sources for you to give you a head start, and use for an example. I hope this helps. Coryphantha Talk 12:40, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hi Ruthhenrietta. You need to provide a url for a source if you want it to appear blue in the "References" section. It looks like you've cited some sources, but haven't didn't provided any links to where they can be viewed online; this is perfectly OK to do per WP:SAYWHERE because sources aren't required to be available online as long as they're reliable. The reason John Pinney#cite_note-12 is blue is because a link for the source has been provided; the reason John Pinney#cite_note-4, John Pinney#cite_note-10, and John Pinney#cite_note-11 aren't blue is because no url has been provided for those sources. The principle works essentially the same as that for internal links (i.e. WP:WIKILINKS); if I simply type "John Pinney" without providing a link to the page, all you get is "John Pinney"; if, however, I provide a link for "John Pinney", it will be in blue as "John Pinney". -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:43, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you @Coryphantha @Marchjuly - I'm beginning to realise that getting the citations right is about 100 times more difficult than writing the article itself.. and I can't remember how to tag you in my reply - apologies Ruthhenrietta (talk) 14:16, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Have you tried using the VisualEditor to insert references? See here, if you have a URL it can automatically create a linked citation for you. And if you're linking to a book on Google Books, this tool can automatically convert them to a citation for you. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:48, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

@Ruthhenrietta: You can find further help on adding references at WP:REFBEGIN or at WP:ERB. (The second is a help page I wrote myself. Both have videos to help you) We have two options of editing tools - both have a helpful 'Cite' button, and both allow you to paste in a url and automatically get it to 'autofill' as much as it can. You'll probably still need to add a few details manually. I will be frank: adding references using Visual Editor is not as easy as doing it using WP:Source Editor, especially when you want to add in additional field. Good luck, and stick with it! Nick Moyes (talk) 20:00, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: and @Þjarkur: thank you both - those are REALLY good tips and much much easier than trying to do it all manually. I've spent 10 minutes working out how to tag/ping you in my reply - hope this is right. In my original question I actually meant that the hyperlinks I'd added were fine, but didn't look blue in colour... still haven't cracked that, but I've learnt much easier ways to add references.Ruthhenrietta (talk) 15:56, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

@Ruthhenrietta: Yes, you pinged me just perfectly! Well done. I remember being in your shoes when I started out, too. For the first few months I would copy a reference from other articles and manually modify each to fit my needs as I also didn't know there were easier ways to do things. We have all been there and, providing you are willing to ask questions and read (=wade) through some of our guidance pages, there's no reason why you shouldn't enjoy contributing to this amazing encyclopaedia. We are always here at the Teahouse to answer questions quickly, 24/7/365. But if you do decide to stick around (and contribute to Bristol/Slavery-related topics) and need more of a helping hand, I'd be happy to offer more direct support in due course. We have a scheme called Adopt-a-User which suits those who have been around sufficiently long to clearly be committed, but not long enough to fully understand how some of the more subtle or complex things work. Mentoring is a great way to help new but committed editors, especially as we don't have as many female editor as we would wish, despite the efforts of the Te Women in Red WikiProject to encourage women to write about women. Finally, you might find this project of some interest, as it encompasses slavery issues: WP:HUMAN_RIGHTS. All the best, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:16, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: I would LOVE to have a mentor... I hope I'm going to stick with this, as I do feel passionately that it's the best way to get accurate information in the public realm (though since I've been looking more carefully at Wiki, I realise how many pages have been cobbled together from information on slightly dodgy websites)... I'll keep asking the Teahouse for the moment, but if I'm still 'here' in a month or so's time, I'll definitely take you up on your offer. Meanwhile I'll follow you on Twitter! Ruthhenrietta (talk) 15:17, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Renaming/Moving a category

Hi,

I want to rename the Category:Indian summiters of Mount Everest as the spelling of "summiteers" is wrong, but I cant find any move option and also no help in Help:Category. How do I rename/move this category which reflects the appropriate changes in the 55 articles listed in it without manually labouring on all 55 articles. The articles using the correct spelling like Indian summiteers of Mount Everest show red links. Is in such circumstances tools like AWB appropriate for automated editing? Thanks. Roller26 (talk) 07:34, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

The spelling isn't wrong it can be spelt either way, there are hundreds of catgeories that use the spelling "summiter" here Category:Summiters of Mount Everest. Theroadislong (talk) 08:31, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Theroadislong, thanks. It so happens that when I was trying to clear this confusion earlier on google, I was misspelling the single e version with a single m and hence was not getting any relevant results, leading me to assume that spelling to be incorrect. Anyways want about future cases of category moves/renaming. Roller26 (talk) 08:40, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Roller26. The name of a category is on every page that is in that category, so they would all need to be edited. I've no doubt there is a bot that can do this, though I know little about bots; but it would need to be done. --ColinFine (talk) 08:54, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Roller26, ColinFine the process for renaming categories is at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion and spelling mistakes can be corrected by Speedy renaming. If renaming is agreed then the administrator who processes it will use a bot to update all the affected articles. TSventon (talk) 12:00, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine, TSventon Thanks. Roller26 (talk) 13:14, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

@Roller26: As has been said, though, this is not a "spelling mistake". Though neither Merriam nor the OED has the word "summiter", it does seem to be in use both here and the web at large, interchangeably with "summiteer" (which is pronounced differently, rhyming with "year"; i.e., it's a different word). Whether we should be using the word should probably be researched. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 14:34, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

AlanM1, can you find it in any dictionaries?This must be a really new word, but we didn't invent it, it seems, as I find a few results from before 2001. Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:23, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

A question from Conor

Hello, My name is Conor. I'm doing my first article about a Youtuber named Dream who is known for his Minecraft Skill and his Minecraft Manhunt. I worked about two weeks to get this done, but the previous person who reviewed my article said "Needs more external news sources, not its own website and videos. Do not cite fandom wikia". Dream has little to no news sources who talk about him, in fact most of information came from this fandom wikia which is where most of his information I could found. I only found one news sources that talks about Dream Minecraft Manhunt, And this isn't a few thousand subscribers channel. Dream has over 10 million subscribers on his youtube channel is a well-known across youtube. If you have anything to say to me about this question, please contact me. Thanks and have a nice day. Kingconor62 (talk) 14:57, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Kingconor62! Per WP:GNG, if there's no independent WP:RS to base a WP-article on, then the topic will not have a WP-article, that's how this place works, and is meant to work. More at Wikipedia:WikiProject YouTube/Notability. But the internet is bigger than WP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:31, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Kingconor62, Wikipedia needs sources. It does not matter how many subscribers there are if there are no sources. In theory, after you have some sources to support the article and if you have one of them verifying that the subject has X number of subscribers, you ought to be able to argue that Wikipedia should have an article on the subject per WP:ENT which says a person may be Wikipedia notable if they have a large fan base. But even this argument is known almost never to work on discussions about youtubers. Generally, not only need you have sources, but you need to have multiple, independent, reliable, secondary sources as described at WP:SIGCOV for such an article to be accepted to Wikipedia. From what you say, I would say the subject is not going to get an article on Wikipedia unless they receive a ton of additional news coverage about their channel first. Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:43, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Fair use question

Hey! I am working on an article for my company's software. My COI is declared on my user page, and a draft of the article is in my sandbox. I got some good help here last time, so now I'm back for round two. Question: I am trying to upload a logo for the infobox. This is the least detailed one I could find. Can this image be uploaded with the fair use rational that it consists only of simple geometric shapes? If not, do I have a chance of getting it in under some other fair use rational? The image I really wanted to use was this one, but from what I'm seeing there may be little or no chance of getting my preferred image into the article without issuing a license. Thanks in advance for your help. Sam at Megaputer (talk) 14:30, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Sam at Megaputer, welcome back! Fair use applies to logos, I know from WP:FAIRUSE. There is also WP:LOGOS, a whole page about using logos on Wikipedia, that I haven't read but you might want to. WP:MCQ is a venue where you may be able to get help with the difficult questions about using media that you may not always get as well at the Teahouse. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:31, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Sam at Megaputer. Logos are often uploaded as non-free images in articles about the thing they are the logo for. But non-free content may only be used in articles, not drafts, so you need to wait until your draft has been accepted before you upload it. --ColinFine (talk) 15:37, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

These have been very helpful responses. I'll get the rest of what I need from WP:MCQ. Thanks a lot! Sam at Megaputer (talk) 15:57, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

hello

hi uh Ireallydontcareugh (talk) 16:16, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Ireallydontcareugh, do you have a question? If so feel free to ask. :-) — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 16:17, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

My question

Can you add translations? I am bilingual and I would like to help. BaaBaaTheSheep (talk) 16:06, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

BaaBaaTheSheep, Yes you can! Either go to Special:ContentTranslation, or go to your desired page, hover over the contributions link in the toolbar and click Translations. Hope this helps! — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 16:09, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

But please read Translation first, BaaBaaTheSheep. Translating articles between Wikipedia editions is not always as straightforward as it might appear, because editions have different requirements for sourcing, (and en-wiki has thousands of sub-standard articles which would not be accepted today). When translating into English, I would always advise a translator to treat it the same as any other new article, and use WP:AFC. When translating from English, the standards of the destination edition are important. --ColinFine (talk) 16:22, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Swahili Wiktionary

Hey, though my question wont be relevant to english wikipedia it was the only place to ask, in swahili wiktionary under swahili wikipedia there is no special way to delete words that are not necessary i was wondering how to remove the words that are not relevant to swahili as there are many. Alvin kipchumba (talk) 12:44, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Alvin kipchumba Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid we can only help you with questions regarding the English Wikipedia; that said, if by 'deleting words' you mean deleting an article, you will need to use whatever process that version of Wikipedia has for doing so. 331dot (talk) 12:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

ThanksAlvin kipchumba (talk) 12:57, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

@Alvin kipchumba: I don't think it was the only place to ask is correct. Each project has it's own help and support facilities, with volunteers interested in and knowledgeable about the project. You should be able to find it from the main page. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:09, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Teahouse questions

Wikipedia - relax and enjoy the learning experience with a nice cup of tea, served by one of your friendly Teahouse hosts.

These questions aren't about an article, but the Teahouse itself (unless the Teahouse can be considered an article).

1. Who came up with the name for the Teahouse?

2. Who is the most well known Teahouse user?

3. Can too many questions cause the Teahouse to crash or temporarily shut down?

4. Can someone be banned (temporarily or permanently) from the Teahouse?

It might seem like I'm asking a lot here, but my curiosity tends to get the better of me at times. TheKingCartii (talk) 17:42, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse TheKingCartii. Those are interesting questions. Here are my answers to them:

1. You can read more about the evolution of the Teahouse here
2. I think that Cullen328 is probably the most well known and longest-serving of our hosts.
3. No, too many questions wouldn't cause the Teahouse to crash. That would take a sophisticated and sustained DoS attack. If one person persistently and constantly asked disruptive and frivolous questions we might take take action against them, but that's not something you need worry about.
4. Yes, an editor can have their editing rights withdrawn by an administrator, either across the whole of English Wikipedia, or blocked from just specific parts of it. I can only think of one such time in the last three years that we came close to specifically requiring one editor to stop attempting to answer questions because they had the wrong approach to other users, and were quite blunt and rude in their responses. But anyone can be blocked for a whole range of reasons, including WP:NOTHERE and WP:CIR. Equally, we welcome any editor answering questions (providing they answer in a friendly and helpful manner) - there is no requirement to be a 'Host' in order to help other editors. I hope this slakes your thirst for Teahouse-related knowledge! Nick Moyes (talk) 18:10, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

upload

Im writing about a cartoon how do i upload pictures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Foodboy1 (talk • contribs)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Foodboy1. You may only upload images which you have taken yourself (and not simply found somewhere the internet). All images are copyright unless there is a very clear and explicit licence statement accompanying them, indicating they are freely re-usable for non-commercial and' commercial use. I would imagine that all images related to cartoons would be copyright and not useable except in very special circumstances known as WP:FAIRUSE. Please tell us what cartoon you hope to write about and link to the image you are desirous of uploading. See Wikipedia:Images for a pageload of other links which might help you find the answers to various image-related questions (including Wikipedia:Uploading images). Thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:31, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Archivística

¿Trabajan archivistas en Wikipedia? Pelu Digital (talk) 17:53, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Pelu Digital, Hola. Si quieres, preguntas en espanol están permitidos en Wikipedia Espanol. En Wikipedia ingles, usar ingles, por favor. Gracias, WikiMacaroons^Cinnamon? 18:06, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Pelu Digital Si tienes dudas en español mejor dirígete al Café en la Wikipedia en español. Por responder a tu pregunta; no, en Wikipedia no trabaja nadie directamente. Estoy seguro de que hay archivistas que colaboran pero lo hacen de forma voluntaria como todos los demás. No confundas Wikipedia con la Fundación Wikimedia que sí tiene empleados.

Pelu Digital If you have any questions in spanish I suggest you head over to Café at spanish Wikipedia. Now onto your question; no, nobody is employed directly by Wikipedia. While I'm sure archivists collaborate here they do so voluntarily just as everyone else. Wikipedia is not to be confused with the Wikimedia Foundation which does employ people. josecurioso ❯❯❯ Talk to me! 18:29, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

@Pelu Digital: But please see Wikipedia:GLAM - which is a collaboration between Wikipedia and Galleries, Libraries, Archives & Museums (hence GLAM). Nick Moyes (talk) 18:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Can I use any referencing style or just AMA referencing style?

 AEMA2050 (talk) 18:22, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello AEMA2050. Many referencing styles are acceptable, but consistency of style should be maintained within an article. Wikipedia:Citing sources discusses this in detail. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:47, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Jello, AEMA2050, and welcome to the Teahouse. In summary, a new article may use any citation stile that provides sufficient information for a reader to verify the source. Basics are the title of the article or work being cited, and the name of the publication in which it appears. Highly desirable are the author of the work (when known), its publication date, the name of the publisher when this adds context, any any relevant identifiers such as an ISBN or a DOI, page number and the language of publication if that is not English.

In an existing article, the existing style should be retained unless three is consensus to make a change, see WP:CITEVAR.

Wikipedia's citation templates output a style known as CS1 or CS2. which is native to Wikipedia, but somewhat similar to Chicago style.

There was recently a decision to deprecate a pure parenthetical style where "(Smith 2012)" without limnls was the sole inline reference text, and bare URLs without details are disfavored and should be corrected.

AMA style is neither required nor prohibited. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:10, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

I am new to wikipedia. How can I help contribute to Wikipedia?

I want to make a article, but I'd like to learn more about utilizing Wikipedia's resources before I do so. How can I help edit articles without accidentally impeding on the current progress being made by other more experienced users? Ngblue (talk) 18:47, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

@Ngblue: Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for wanting to make it better. To start, try the interactive learning game at WP:ADVENTURE. It will teach you some of the basics to help get you started. RudolfRed (talk) 19:10, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

@Ngblue: The 'Help Out' section at Wikipedia:Community portal is then worth visiting for suggestions of different types of editing. Just like driving a car for the first time, take it slowly and gently at first to avoid accidents. Simple fixes of spelling, grammar, or adding citations are all great ways to start improving articles. Remember, never add anything from your own personal knowledge - always base it on reliable, published sources so that someone else can verify what you add. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:25, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Notability Of Sources

Hello, I wrote a page that was not accepted due to a lack of notability in the sources. I have since added more sources that I think are within Wikipedias guidelines and demonstrate the notability of the subject. I am hoping someone can take a look at these before I submit them for review. If they are not acceptable it would be very helpful to know why.

Here is the page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Fundera ClaySmithWiki (talk) 16:38, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

@ClaySmithWiki: Would you mind linking here to the additional sources, so as to save others the task of working out which are old and which are new? Thanks. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:53, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Hey @Nick Moyes: here are the sources that were added:

— Preceding unsigned comment added by ClaySmithWiki (talk • contribs) 20:20, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much ClaySmithWiki, that did make it a lot easier to assess. Bearing in mind that I have not reviewed the entire article and its sources, but my comment on the four additional ones you've listed in order to meet WP:NCORP is that taken alone or together, they simply don't do it for me. I'm afraid these are really just passing mentions, in one or two sentences, if that - in one case. As a set of four they don't convince me of helping to achieve our notability criteria. That's not to denigrate the work of your business, just that Fundera doesn't appear to have been written about in detail and in depth by non-insider sources - just like so many millions of other companies, I'm afraid. We tend to point people towards this essay on when or if notability might be achieved: WP:TOOSOON. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:34, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

References

Which UW to use?

Which user warning should I use when an editor continues to use unreliable sources after a reversal? Shadowrvn728 (talk) 21:49, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi,Shadowrvn728. There is a list of templates at Wikipedia:Template index/User talk namespace. Bear in mind you don't have to use templates; if none of them fit the bill just use your own words.

I don't have a specific template recommendation for you, but WP:BRD and WP:3RR are useful pages to read and share. BRD isn't a policy but it is a useful practice. Regards, Zindor (talk) 23:22, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

If the dispute becomes an edit war, you can post at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. Remember that starting a discussion on the article's talk page, and seeking a third opinion, can help prevent edit warring. Hope that helps, Zindor (talk) 23:28, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Oki Muraza

I am making an article on Oki Muraza, a world class professor who secured 18 million SAR in a project on chemical engineering. He wrote journals in Indonesian news and currently is teaching at KFUPM. I need help in getting this article draft approved.

Thank you very much... Fikry Muraza (talk) 14:59, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

[edit] He secured a total of $4.8 million USD in research.

References I used are from the University, Indonesian News, and Google scholar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fikry Muraza (talk • contribs) 15:33, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Fikry Muraza, if you read the note left by DGG, you can see they told you that the article needs to pass one of Wikipedia's notability guidelines, WP:PROF. They also told you that, for the draft to pass said guideline, the subject's papers' should be heavily cited by external sources and other research papers. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 16:12, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Fikry Muraza, yes I was trying to provide a guideline for fixing the article. It had earlier been rejected by another reviewer ,David.moreno72 probably on the basis of the obvious COI. But this is a case where notability is quite likely present nonetheless, and the coi had been properly declared. But the references are not sufficient to show it , either by GNG or WP:PROF. The advice I gave is not the only way to show notability by WP:PROF, but its the usual way, and would be sufficient if the citations are hgih enough. They probably are, so add them. Size of grants, and uncited or vague claims to excellence, are irrelevant. DGG ( talk ) 00:48, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Nigeria's Independence day

Hello, please how do I put or nominate this article Independence Day or just inform the administrators that today is Nigeria's Independence day and it should be featured on the column 'On this day' on Wikipedia's homepage? Thanks Josedimaria237 (talk) 01:15, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@Josedimaria237: Place a request at Wikipedia_talk:Selected_anniversaries/October_1. If its not selected for this year, see Wikipedia:Selected_anniversaries#Steps_for_suggesting_new_listings to suggest it for next time. RudolfRed (talk) 01:27, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

article editing question

Hi. I wanted to edit the Wikipedia article on Acoustic droplet ejection (ADE). The references listed are not very complete. I know that there was a special issue of the journal, Journal of Laboratory Automation, that focused on acoustic droplet ejection that explained in much greater depth how ADE works, providing equations, graphs, etc. that would be too much for Wikipedia. I wanted to add a single sentence mentioning the issue and link it to a reference.

Jerm felt that it was too much of a soapbox for the journal. Here is where you can see what Jerm said:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:GiuseppeAlexander. I really just want to make the article better. I do not want to stand on a soapbox for the journal. And the issue covers instruments from both companies that made ADE systems.

Am I completely out of line or do I just need to reformulate my text to add this useful citation?

Here is the citation I wanted to add: Special issue: Advancing Scientific Innovation with Acoustic Droplet Ejection. Journal of Laboratory Automation 21.1 (2016):1-216. https://journals.sagepub.com/toc/jlac/21/1 .

Thanks GiuseppeAlexander (talk) 00:45, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Added header to the question to separate it. RudolfRed (talk) 00:54, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@GiuseppeAlexander: Sounds like a perfect use for an external link. Just add an "External links" section after the References section:

== External links ==
* {{Cite journal |...}}

—[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:59, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Infobox for Maddie Ziegler

Maddie Ziegler’s article doesn’t have an infobox. I’m a new user, and I don’t really know how Wikipedia works. Can someone please add it for me, or teach me how to create an infobox? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazychickennthang (talk • contribs) 02:05, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@Crazychickennthang: I see you already posted about this on the article's talk page, which is the best way to discuss it so you get get consensus with other editors. RudolfRed (talk) 02:07, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Baseless accusations of sockpuppetry

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

This is now being discussed at WP:ANI#Baseless accusations of sockpuppetry from User:Albertheditor and that's where any further comments should be added since that's where it's going to need to be resolved. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:28, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

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User:Albertheditor is claiming that two other users are my sockpuppets. What should be done in this situation, should it be taken to WP:ANI? SevenSpheresCelestia (talk) 02:01, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Not really, I didn't mention 'sockpuppet' at any time. I just had the founded suspicion that you were using 2 accounts, which, as I later added, it's allowed by Wikipedia: Anyone who uses multiple accounts in good faith is not violating any policies, shall face no action— Preceding unsigned comment added by Albertheditor (talk • contribs) 02:06, 1 October 2020 (UTC+9) (UTC)

So let me rephrase then, you're baselessly claiming that I'm using multiple accounts. SevenSpheresCelestia (talk) 02:11, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

What the... he's just reported me on four admin talk pages?? SevenSpheresCelestia (talk) 02:58, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Nope. I asked them to review your article after you reversed the edit I made without reaching consensus in the TalkPage. Cheers.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Albertheditor (talk • contribs) 03:03, 1 October 2020 (UTC+9) (UTC)

You claimed that I am ConnallES, which is not the case. SevenSpheresCelestia (talk) 03:04, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Regarding recently deceased persons

How do I properly reference a recently deceased person on their article page? Please provide exact format and what counts as a "reliable source". The one I added was removed, so I'm not sure if I correctly understand. MokshaVRao (talk) 03:46, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Welcome, MokshaVRao. It would have been fine simply referring to the announcement on her official website of her death. But you expanded the page about Rajee Narayan wih 14,000+ bytes of uncited and badly-referenced content. Stick to one factual statement supported by one reference. Avoid flowery prose and bare urls, too please. See WP:REFBEGIN for how to add full citation details. Nick Moyes (talk) 04:22, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Technical Advice

How do you add a line break in your personal links tab at the very top right? I have a lot of links and want to make them even, is this possible? Heart ^(talk) 04:36, 1 October 2020 (UTC) Heart ^(talk) 04:36, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@HeartGlow30797: assuming you use vector as your skin (the default) this is not possible because of the way the skin works internally. If you use a different skin, you can tell me that and I have a look. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:12, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Editing Reference Section

Hello, can some volunteer to edit reference section for my draft article. I want add the particular page number in my reference document. In the reference section of my draft article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Laborate_Pharmaceuticals_India_Limited Reference number 2. I want to add the particular page number for this document. The page numbers are 65 and 66. Please add these page numbers to Reference number 2. Good day Allin96 (talk) 04:41, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@Allin96:  Done see changes. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:09, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Victor Schmidt mobilAllin96 (talk) 06:20, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Mt. Lyell and 5 subpeaks - History and Proposed change of direction

Mt. Lyell has 5 subpeaks, 3 of which have their own articles L5, L4 and L3. I tried to create another article (for L2) and was told I should write it up as a part of the Mt. Lyell article. I suggest making the Mt. Lyell text only for L2 as part of Mt. Lyell would be silly, without rewriting/'dearticalizing' L5, L4 and L3 as well. My issue is that it's a lot more work to re-do all 4 articles and I'd hate to do that, only to have some other WP authority who likes the fact that each subpeak has its own article and asks that I change it back from one article to 5 (or technically, 4, since L1 doesn't yet have a presence in WP).

So, can I get a second (or more) opinion on this proposed direction of 1 article each for the Peak and all 5 subpeaks to just 1 article, please? BrettA343 (talk) 22:59, 30 September 2020 (UTC) BrettA343 (talk) 22:59, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi, BrettA343, welcome to the Teahouse.

The peaks are prominent, and distinct from each other, so it's understandable why they've ended up on separate pages. However there's barely any content in these articles, and there aren't any strong claims made for independent significance.

There's a pretty low bar when it comes to the notability criteria for named geographic features, but it would be a disservice to our readers to have this small amount of information spread over several pages. I'm of the opinion that the content of the sub-peak articles should all be merged into Mount_Lyell_(Canada), and those pages turned into redirects. Regards, Zindor (talk) 00:09, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

I'd be interested to hear other opinions on this too. Although I note that perhaps we should move to the article's talk page if this does venture into a discussion. Zindor (talk) 00:15, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks muchly Zindor. I'll wait to see if we get more opinions, but I'm thinking just one article is a good direction as long as people can search on the 3 or 4 subpeaks. BrettA343 (talk) 06:53, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Quran In Multi-Language and Mystery of Digit [19] By Adnan

Hi:

I developed from home a C# ASP.NET Xamarin.Android application and mobile-app proposed for use by Religious educational institutions. In its present form, the application solution can be used to present/search the holy Quran in multiple languages (49) in addition to calculation of numerical values for the Arabic alphabets for Quran's verses, using 19-digit system, to extract the hidden meanings of Quran's verses. The application concept it can be developed for the holy Bible and Torah in the future.

I believe this program gave a lot of answers which can be seen by Millions of Muslims and later Christian and Jewish when I developed the Holy Bible and Torah solution.

1) I want to publish the documentation 2) A website that can be used like Google or Wikipedia 3) What is the charges Alimusa893 (talk) 06:14, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello Alimusa893. This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Do you have a question of this kind? -- Hoary (talk) 07:08, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Articles to be worked on by high schoolers

Hi everyone. I'm an English teacher at a cram school in a non-English speaking country and I'm considering having my students, who are returnee junior high schoolers and high schoolers, work on improving articles on Wikipedia. I've taken a look at Articles for improvement to come up with a list of articles students can contribute to, but I was wondering if you have any suggestions on what would be suitable for them to write about. Any help is appreciated. Thank you. ~★ nmaia ^d 06:56, 1 October 2020 (UTC) ~★ nmaia ^d 06:56, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello @NMaia: and welcome to the Teahouse! Using Wikipedia editing as an educational tool involves more than just finding articles for them to work on. There is a resource for educators here which I recommend that you familiarise yourself with, including a noticeboard especially for discussing student assignments. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 07:15, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Bonadea:, thank you for the link! I'll be sure to check it out. ~★ nmaia ^d 07:33, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

To me, mention of "returnee" students suggests Japan. If so, "returnees" will be able to write much faster than domestically-educated Japanese teens, but (for various reasons) not necessarily any better. And while conventional Japanese (mis-) education may (over-) emphasize fastidiousness (certainly a requirement for genuine improvement), the education of "returnees" is perhaps less likely to do so. While I don't doubt your or your pupils' good intentions, would you be able to oversee their work while the work is being carried out? ¶ The thing is, I've often been underwhelmed by the fruits of similarly well-intended class efforts at the undergraduate level (and seemingly by users of English as a first language). -- Hoary (talk) 07:22, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, it would be overseen by teachers. Their English is by no means perfect, and that is part of the point of this exercise, to have them improve their writing skills. So nothing would go live without thorough proofreading. ~★ nmaia ^d 07:33, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Your project already sounds more appealing. I wish you all the best with it. -- Hoary (talk) 07:52, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

FWIW I've noticed that articles about Indian films and Indian actors tend to need work on spelling and grammar and seem to be neglected by regular editors.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:25, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a newspaper - When to post a name

I have been editing an article about a school district that is currently experiencing a scandal alleging long-standing sex abuse of students by teachers. I added a section about the scandal. Someone was just arrested tonight, and he was identified in multiple news outlets. I added his name to the article because it is public information, but I would like to consult policies that discuss the guidelines about how to keep Wikipedia encyclopedic, since it is not a newspaper. Could someone please direct me to guidelines that discuss what to include and what not to include in an article? Also, are there policies that discuss editor liability for defamation? Thank you. – Kekki1978 talk 04:50, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Omit the name. See WP:BLP1E and WP:CRIME. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh....} 07:00, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Jéské Couriano Thanks for the links. They were helpful. I removed the name. Regards. – Kekki1978 talk 08:26, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Independence Day

I requested that Nigeria's Independence Day be featured on Wikipedia's homepage here, but when I checked the main page, it was ineligible, the reason being "refimprove section". What does that mean? Josedimaria237 (talk) 09:19, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Josedimaria237. I don't see where you got that message, but it is referring to the template Template:refimprove-section, which is tag that can be added to sections of articles to mark that their referencing is not adequate. --ColinFine (talk) 09:54, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Disney family page.

HELLO FRIENDS! As I am new at being a Wikipedia contributor, I need your kind assistance. I am updating some information and all I desire to do is the exact correct manner in making additions to Wikipedia content!

I want to add the name of the second son of Raymond Arnold Disney to the Family Tree section. His name should be included alongside of his brother who is Charles Elias Disney, as he is the second son of Raymond Arnold Disney and Meredith A. Disney. Can you update this Family Tree chart page showing the second son? His name should correctly show as Daniel H. Disney (1956-) There are references to his name on both of his parents actual Find A Grave pages: Raymond Arnold Disney Memorial # 6782179 and Meredith A. Boyington Disney Memorial # 7319432. Also, personal information for Daniel H. Disney is shown on www.danieldisney.com

Please reply when possible when you have made this update!

Thank you so much for your help! I send you my best regards!

(Mary Hunt 2020 (talk) 11:08, 1 October 2020 (UTC)).

Sincerely, Mary Hunt.2020 Mary Hunt 2020 (talk) 11:08, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Mary Hunt 2020 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The best place to make this sort of request is at the talk page of the article, Talk:Disney family. I will note that Find A Grave is not considered a reliable source as its content is user-generated. 331dot (talk) 11:48, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

"fixed bare ref" ?

I just had someone edit a reference that I added. He said he "fixed bare ref". He added a bunch of details - website, language, title, stuff like that. Is that required? So far I just put the "ref" tag on either side of a URL because I thought that was fine, but I guess someone "fixed" my "bare ref" so I wanted to know if I should be doing it that way. Wes sideman (talk) 18:33, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

For advice about dealng with bare URLs, see WP:Bare URLs. David Biddulph (talk) 18:35, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you David! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wes sideman (talk • contribs) 18:40, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Wes sideman The page David linked too might seem a bit heavy-going. But, yes please, always try and make your references as good and as complete as possible. This is especially helpful when a website owner changes their site's layout and page titling. It may look like a dead link, but a simple Google search on the article title (assuming it was given) often allows one to find an up-to-date, functional version. The 'Cite' button in either of our our editing tools gives you some really easy-to-use templates for main types of citations (books, news, journals and websites, though there are plenty of others). To become a great Wikipedian you really need to know how to add good references as these are the hidden, but highly valuable gems inside every article. So take a look at either of these two introductory pages - WP:REFBEGIN or WP:ERB - for some really simple instructions. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:04, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

@Wes sideman: The URL is actually among the least important parts of a good citation because of search engines. Many citations, especially older ones, are to print sources that are not online at all. The exact parameters to use vary depending on the type of cite: author (first and last name), title, date, and publisher are the key points; if it's online, add the URL and use website instead of publisher unless they are different; journals or print newspapers, add the volume and issue number (and ISSN if available); books, add the ISBN (prefer the 13-digit version); etc. The cite tool lets you retrieve a lot of the information automatically for URL, doi, and ISBN (with the magnifying glass icons, as shown in Nick's WP:ERB), but beware that it can often be wrong or incomplete, so please be sure you verify/supplement the results if you use that feature. Thanks for caring! —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:20, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Gotcha. I have started using the "templates" drop-down menu thanks to the links Nick Moyes provided - very helpful. Wes sideman (talk) 11:55, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Transfermarkt and Reliability

Why isn't Transfermarkt a reliable source?

I put it in an article and an admin deleted the source saying "Transfermarkt isn't reliable" Can someone please explain? Neverbuffed (talk) 13:12, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia has guidance on what a reliable source is. You can find it at Wikipedia:Reliable sources. What criteria listed there do you believe qualifies Transfermarkt as a reliable source? --Jayron32 13:17, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Neverbuffed This has been discussed many times by football project, the reliable sources noticeboard discussion can be seen at WP:TRANSFERMARKT (but we discussed this again at WT:FOOTY a few months ago). Transfermarkt is user-generated content, and so not a reliable source. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:28, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Adding tags to a draft

Hi, I am writing an article https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Phil_Coy&oldid=976360918 and in order to help the process I want to "add tags to a draft" This process reveals the error: Please check the draft page title. It doesn't seem to be in draft namespace

I would be grateful if someone could explain how to edit the draft so that it is 'in draft namespace'

many thanks

D Silly soul (talk) 09:49, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Silly soul. Draft:Phil Coy is indeed in draft space, as its name begins with "Draft:". I don't know what you mean about adding tags to a draft: "tags" are usually templates such as those in Category:Cleanup templates which editors add to existing articles to mark particular ways in which the articles are in need of improvement. Did somebody tell you you needed to add something? --ColinFine (talk) 09:58, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine: thanks for looking at this, that's good to know that the article is already in the draft space (i thought it was!). I was following one of the suggestions "Improving your odds of a speedy review" which suggests 'add tags to your draft' Silly soul (talk) 10:31, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello again, Silly soul. Right - that's talking about WikiProject tags - you can add them to bring the draft to the notice of members of those WikiProjects (I wasn't aware of this advice, but it makes sense). I've never seen the page WP:WikiProject Articles for creation/Add WikiProject tags before, but my guess is that it wants you to give the whole page title "Draft:Phil Coy". Did you perhaps just give "Phil Coy"? (I'm only guessing). --ColinFine (talk) 10:36, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine: thanks for your advice, I changed to "Draft:Phil Coy" and it allowed me to add the tags! Silly soul (talk) 13:34, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Notable criterias ?

Hello !

I would like to create a Wikipedia page about an artist (Sarah Coponat) I follow on social/streaming platforms such as Twitch, Spotify... She is a Twitch Partner (Top 1% of all active streamers on the platform), her live streams on Reddit often gather 150k+ views and she has about 160k monthly listeners on Spotify at the moment, 7K instagram.

Her work hasn't been featured in movies nor as she gotten any large awards to my knowledge although she did perform live twice on minor french Tv shows, but her live stream stats are definitely consequential and she has built a fairly big fan base.

Upon reading the notability guidelines, I am not sure whether those stats would be enough to make an article about her. Could a more experience writer give advice here? 2A01:CB1C:8032:4300:C496:7CE1:A4D1:3F15 (talk) 13:31, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. To merit a Wikipedia article, a subject must receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources that have chosen on their own to write about the subject, and those sources must demonstrate how the subject meets the special Wikipedia definition of (in this case) a notable person. Viewership or social media follower numbers are not a part of the notability criteria, as they are easily gamed(is it one person who watched the video 10,000 times, or one person registering multiple accounts?) among other reasons. A person can have 5 social media followers and merit an article, and can have 5 billion and not merit one. It depends on the coverage in independent reliable sources. "Significant coverage" does not include press releases, interviews with the subject, or other primary sources. If they do not have significant coverage in independent sources, they would not merit an article at this time. 331dot (talk) 13:58, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Northern Middle School

Hello or Bonjour! I would like to make a page about my previous Middle school (Northern Middle School, I am confused on how to create a page for that my town (Hagerstown MD) Already has a page and I feel as if it’s my duty to work on my towns presence on Wikipedia. AviaWilliamEdits (talk) 12:31, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

AviaWilliamEdits Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Successfully creating a new article is the hardest thing to do on Wikipedia. It takes much time and practice. You will greatly increase your chances of success if you first spend time editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content.

A school merits an article if it gets significant coverage in independent reliable sources showing how it meets the Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. If you can do that, you should use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for review by another editor before it is formally placed in the encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 14:02, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Aiv

What is AIV?Acidic Carbon (Corrode) (Organic compounds)-&nbsp —Preceding undated comment added 13:48, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Acid Of Carbon Hello and welcome. AIV refers to Administrator intervention against vandalism, which is where vandals can be reported. 331dot (talk) 13:54, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@Acid Of Carbon: On Wikipedia, when someone use a two or three letter initialism that (from context) clearly refers to something on-wiki, and you want to know what it means, the easiest thing to do to is to search for it with the prefix WP: (in this case, WP:AIV) using the search box at the top of every page. You'll see it's a valid link in the list of suggestions and, if you go to it, you'll find out what it means. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 14:25, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Publish my track listing

I just want to publish my track listing for my mixtapes and albums on wikipedia. I don't write anything about my works that is biased, I only state information that anyone can find. Can you guys help me make my articles about my music. I only want to write out the track listing that's it. Blakestyle (talk) 14:59, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Blakestyle Wikipedia is not a web host for your music, nor is it a place for you to tell the world about yourself, please see the autobiography policy. If you meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable musician and receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources, an independent editor will eventually take note of your career and choose to write about you. Also keep in mind that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable. 331dot (talk) 15:03, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Edit

How to edit a page with proper manner 2409:4043:2099:1AC9:0:0:2AAA:28AC (talk) 10:48, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I can think of different interpretations of your question; can you provide more information? Is there a certain article you are attempting to edit, or do you just want to know how to edit in general? 331dot (talk) 12:03, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

How I edit a page with proper manner that it doesn't get remove and it didn't create any problems for the editors. 2409:4043:2099:1AC9:0:0:2AAA:28AC (talk) 14:09, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

I've placed your response here; please edit this existing section to make further replies, to avoid the discussion being in several locations. Have you previously made edits that were removed? It will be easier to help you if you reference a particular situation. 331dot (talk) 14:13, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

See WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:08, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Help with removing a stub template

About 3 years ago I started expanding the article Charles Stuart (painter)] classed as a Stub (on Pageviews) . If it seems reasonable, I would like to remove the stub template. Unfortunately, I cannot find it. Can anyone help? BFP1BFP1 (talk) 13:05, 1 October 2020 (UTC) BFP1 (talk) 13:05, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

There was no stub template in the main article, but there was a stub rating on the talk page. I fixed it for you here. That's how you fix that problem. --Jayron32 13:10, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Jayron32 BFP1 (talk) 15:22, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Editing our English entry

Hi everyone! We are the European Theatre Convention, a network for public theatres in Europe. This is a non-profit organisation. We prepared a description of our network and its activities but it apparently sounds too much like an advertisement. We are all ears to see how we can avoid this, unfortunately we don't really see how? We have read and tried to include all advice from your community, and are now a bit stuck. Would anyone have experience and would give us a few hints on how to improve our entry? Thanks a lot!

The draft in question: Draft:European Theatre Convention  Joséphine ETC (talk) 15:44, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Joséphine ETC Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I would suggest that you avoid using "we", as it makes it sound like multiple people have access to your account. You will need to review the paid editing and conflict of interest policies for information on formal disclosures you may be required to make.

Your draft was rejected because it does little more than describe what your group does. Wikipedia articles must do more, they must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about(in this case) an organization, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. Wikipedia is not interested in what an organization wants to say about itself, only in what others have chosen on their own to say about it(no press releases, staff interviews, announcements of routine transactions, etc.) Please read Your First Article for more information. 331dot (talk) 15:49, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Maryland

So I was just looking at some items in the Wikipedia namespace and from there I ended up at Maryland. I went to the edit history and saw what looks like a weird bug. The third oldest (go to the very first edits to the page) edit removed 84,860 (or was it 86,840?) BYTES of code according to the edit history.

Is there any explanation for this discrepancy? 45.251.33.149 (talk) 14:20, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

There is a known issue with revision histories in the earliest days of Wikipedia (~2001). Someone at WP:VPT may be able to provide details (or maybe search there for discussion), but I wouldn't worry about it. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 14:32, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks AlanM1 ! 45.251.33.149 (talk) 16:00, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Is editing grammar and spelling a minor or major change?

Is editing grammar and spelling a minor or major change? I would think major if you're reformatting an entire section of text from list to prose, for example, but what about things like your -> you're or a misplaced comma? AlexMozzarella (talk) 16:09, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

For help on the definition of a minor edit, try reading Help:minor edit. David Biddulph (talk) 16:19, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Created

Hey everyone, I have currently created a wikipedia page and published it. However it got declined, and I was wondering if there is anyone here who could help me or giving me an advice of how to get my wiki page published?

Thank you in advance.

Marcel 2A00:23C7:A882:3600:C844:A724:F55C:31EE (talk) 16:44, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse; there are no edits from your IP address other than your comment here, so I assume you have an account you made the draft with; please log in to your account before posting. 331dot (talk) 16:48, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Pages for new users to edit

Question moved from another section to its own. Giraffer ^munch 16:25, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

What pages should be recommended for new users to edit?InsulinRS (talk) 16:20, 1 October 2020 (UTC) InsulinRS (talk) 16:20, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

InsulinRS Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, and thanks for wanting to contribute. I don't know if I would say there are particular articles for new users to edit, but I would suggest that a good way to approach your activities here is to start small, say with looking for spelling or grammatical issues to correct, and work your way up to more substantive edits and creating articles(if you wish to, it's not required that you create articles). You can find suggestions of articles to edit for various issues at the Community Portal. 331dot (talk) 16:51, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@InsulinRS: Probably one of the best places for new users to start is by doing copy-edits on any page. Clicking the "random page" link on the left, or Special:Random if you are on a mobile browser, will take you to a random article. Look for typos or clearly out of date information and fix it. Be careful about things like dates and spelling variations, as they are not necessarily errors in need of correction. See WP:Manual of style for details.

Another place to start is by finding an article on a topic you like, go to the talk page, and see what "Wikiprojects" it is in. Look for other articles in those Wikiprojects that you might like.

Until you get the "hang of things" it might be better to hold off adding new material or making other content changes. You can always suggest a content change on an article's talk page to see if others have comments. Just say you are new and you want feedback, then say what you think needs changing.

Also, be sure to be very careful if you are editing an article which "hits close to home." See Wikipedia:Conflict of interest for more details on that.

I hope this helps. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:57, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

ROBLOX Corporation

Hello nice to meet you! I want ask how to do new topic I created some information about ROBLOX Corp. But when i am searching it i can find it here is a link (Hello from Azerbaijan) Animelover0001 (talk) 16:10, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

(After adding section heading) You appear to want to translate the existing article in English Wikipedia at Roblox. That's fine but better done in your sandbox rather than on your talk page. When re-creating the article on another language Wikipedia, you should acknowledge the English WP as the source of the original text etc. Michael D. Turnbull (talk) 17:08, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@Animelover0001: Since the company is pretty much known only for one thing, it's probably best to just slightly expand the information about the company that is already in the article about its product, Roblox. If you want to do a major expansion of that page, please consider discussing it on Talk:Roblox first.

Also, this is the English Wikipedia. If you are translating from another language's Wikipedia, please read WP:Translation first.

Also, please remove the content on your user page and user talk page that are "about" Roblox. You can copy the content to a user subpage or your personal sandbox if you like. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 17:05, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

uploading an audio file

hey, i have a problem uploading my audio it keeps saying error cannot upload audio Alvin kipchumba (talk) 14:20, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Alvin kipchumba. That is like phoning a garage and saying "I have a problem starting my car, it keeps just not starting". Nobody can help you unless you explain what you are trying to do (and where), and exactly what happens. In particular:

• What format of audio file?
• What is the copyright status of the file?
• Where are you trying to upload it to?
• What tool are you using to upload it?
• What is the exact error message you get?

--ColinFine (talk) 14:48, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

• copyright status= Oct 1,2020
• i am trying to upload it to show how to pronounce a word
• i am using the tool made while editing the page at the top
• the message keeps on saying -error cannot upload filethis wiki does not accept files with this extension.3gpp.

Alvin kipchumba (talk) 15:08, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@Alvin kipchumba:

1. To where are you trying to upload the file? Please provide the URL (a link to the page).

2. For which English Wikipedia article is this?

3. Who/what is the reliable source for this file? If you want to say (in Wikipedia's voice) that this is how to pronounce a word, it needs to be from a reliable source. By "copyright status", we mean, "is this audio file freely licensed?". Does the copyright owner consent to it being re-used by anyone with modification for any purpose, including commercial?

Please also see WP:INDENT for how we try to keep talk pages organized. I indented the above for you. Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 15:37, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

thanks for the linkAlvin kipchumba (talk) 18:13, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

New page patrol

Hey, I created this article Pakundia Adarsha Mohila College 10 days ago. I've noticed that the page has not been patrolled yet and hence does not appear in Google Search. Is there any way to request someone to get this page patrolled? Cheers. Userths (talk) 18:14, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Userths, the new pages backlog for articles is currently about 4 months long. Someone will get around to reviewing it eventually, just be patient. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:19, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Citing content from other wikipedia Articles

Hello, while I was browsing the recent changes list today I came upon this edit to which I reverted. The IP user stated on my Talk page that the edit was referenced via this Wikipedia article, as it is a direct copy-paste from it. However, this statement in the Boeing 737 article is also missing a reference, and would like to request guidance on what the proper course of action is here. Thanks! Transcendental36 (talk) 18:14, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Transcendental36, you were correct to revert the edit, as you cannot cite Wikipedia in another Wikipedia article, Wikipedia being a tertiary and self-published source. As well as that, if the IP copied content from another article, they should have placed {{Copied}} on both the relevant pages. Hope this helps! — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 19:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

wikimedia statistics

Hey, does anyone now the website to wikimedia statistics Alvin kipchumba (talk) 10:39, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@Alvin kipchumba: Google does! See here. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:27, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Alvin kipchumba (talk) 14:23, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@Alvin kipchumba: I'm not sure what that means, but does this link help? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 14:46, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@Alvin kipchumba: Likewise - I am also unclear what you mean. You're now mentioning Wikipedia, not Wikimedia, so maybe WP:STATS is what you're after? Nick Moyes (talk) 15:31, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

ThanksAlvin kipchumba (talk) 20:03, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

My article is for deletion and I am said as UPE

I have created a few articles recently. One of this is Jahan Geneve which I created two weeks back. Suddenly I found that to be deleted today for speedy deletion as promotional. I tried to address the issue and recreate the article after removing all the promotional parts. But it was again nominated for speedy deletion in same category. I have been going through the notibility policy and other policies thoughly before creating all my articles. I think the brand is notable as have some historic value while based in switzerland, so decided to write about it. I found some editor said I am an UPE. I have felt devastated and decided to nominate my own article for deletion. I truly believe there are lot of editors there who can judge and decide if the article is worthy of being retained in wikipedia. I am fine with any outcome out of it. But it was very shocking the way I was alleged of being paid editor persistently. I would request any help and I think this will help me with my future activities in wikipedia better. The deletion discussion is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jahan_Geneve --Chiro725 (talk) 20:42, 28 September 2020 (UTC) Chiro725 (talk) 20:42, 28 September 2020 (UTC) Chiro725 (talk) 20:43, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

@Chiro725, hello & welcome, an article, no matter how notable the subject matter is, can still be deleted as being too promotional, it’s unfortunate you are saddened by your current predicament but UPE is a serious transgression and editors here try to combat it to the best of their ability, if you are accused of UPE, there’s probably a valid reason for it. Paid editing as long as it is in tune with what has been outlined in WP:PAID is legal but not disclosing it is very much a serious violation that may get you blocked from editing altogether. Celestina007 (talk) 21:29, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Celestina007, Thank you very much for your comment. At least someone talked nicely to me. I have understood that there was some problem with my initial article as it has some promotion. At the time of recreating it, I saw the notice which said if I could improve the article only then I should proceed which I followed. Also, I think all are here working to make this resource of enormous value to modern world better and better and better. I did not think that writing about a commercial entity will make me face this. I just want the right thing to happen. I have complete trust on the editors who have spent a lot of time here, but I don't think they are right with the allegation with me. I do not have any wish to say in favor of any article or any edit if that violates our policies. But I am seriously feeling something is not happening right. I have come to know that a lot of people gets blocked here but I don't have any wish to get blocked ever, so I try to always red policies before I do something unfamiliar. I request you further, please forgive me if I am asking too much, but can you please remark what you think about the article? I wish to see something just happen to my article. I agree any article can get deleted, but I think that must happen in proper way. I thank you so much for your taking time and addressing my concern. I am really feeling a lot better. Thank you --Chiro725 (talk) 21:48, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Chiro725, I know that receiving these warnings is quite uncomfortable. The thing about Wikipedia is that we have almost no information about who the other editors are and therefore many things are just based on trying to find patterns. We have seen a lot of paid editors that have a similar editing pattern to yours, so using the best available information it's normal that someone would ask you if you are a paid editor. If you're not, then you can just ignore it and continue writing articles about notable topics. Regarding your article on Jahan Geneve, it appears that the only coverage that they have are press releases and similar, there's little independent coverage to be found. – Thjarkur (talk) 09:50, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Þjarkur, ignoring it isn’t the right move, rather they ought to respond to the editor who has placed the tag & explain to them that they aren’t receiving financial rewards for their edits before proceeding to continue regular editing, asides that i think all you have told them is good. Celestina007 (talk) 16:28, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Thjarkur thank you for your comments and help. I don't have a bad feeling now anymore. The article got deleted and most of the senior editors said it was not worthy to keep as the brand is not notable. I though having some historical value it might be notable, but I was wrong. I just wanted to cross check the fact that if the article was only promotional or it was non notable too. I got my answer. I think these discussions have made my understanding matured in some fold about notability. I like to thank Celestina007 for their guidance again. --Chiro725 (talk) 11:41, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Chiro725, you are welcome, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page when in doubt or need guidance. Celestina007 (talk) 12:44, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I will definitely ask for your help when I need. --Chiro725 (talk) 20:15, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Is there a policy for listing films in episode lists?

I'm currently in a minor dispute on List of South Park episodes over whether the film should be mentioned somewhere on the page. I brought up List of The Simpsons episodes as having had a consensus to include its film on its list, along with List of SpongeBob SquarePants episodes as, while not including the films on the table, does mention them on the bottom of the page, but I was redirected to WP:OSE by one user while another removed any mention of the film on List of South Park characters. Is there some sort of policy on whether or not to mention films on episode list pages? Unnamed anon (talk) 17:52, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@Unnamed anon: I doubt it – that seems far too specific for policy. To me, an "episode list" page is a list of episodes of the TV series (or other episodic production), a thing that is entirely separate from any film, book, amusement park attraction, etc. based on the same concept. That's why we have other pages for those things, and usually a page that lists them all. WT:TV is probably a more focused place to ask or search for past discussion. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:37, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

While @User:AlanM1 is partially correct, there has already been an rfc on it. My suggestion to you, @Unnamed anon, is to direct the users who disagree with you to the rfc at Talk:List of The Simpsons episodes/Archive 2. There was consensus to include them in that rfc. Hope this helps! Ghinga7 (talk) 19:59, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@Ghinga7 and Unnamed anon: The complete link to the RfC is Talk:List of The Simpsons episodes/Archive 2#RfC: Inclusion of Simpsons Movie.

I disagree with the finding of consensus there. The only argument to keep is basically "these other articles do it that way", which doesn't seem like it's supposed to be a valid argument in these types of discussions, is it? It was also suggested that a wider community RfC be conducted at WT:TV, but the only mention of the subject there is the notification of that Simpsons RfC (six years ago). OTOH, I don't think it's that big a deal. A couple of "include" votes suggested that it should not be in the table with the episodes, but instead mentioned in a subsection or other convenient place in the prose of the article. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:31, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

I agree that there should be a wider rfc, but for now, we should keep the status quo, which is that every single episode list, save for a few, includes movies that are part of the series.

On your second point, yeah, there were a lot of "every other article does this, why change now?" !votes, but there were also some very well-thought out ones, such as the last one. Ghinga7 (talk) 20:51, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Is writing articles hard?

I have noticed that many articles are often written by a single person, and are quite comprehensive and include many references and are published as a single edit. What does it take to write an article like this? How much time does it take? Does it require reading all of the references completely? How to choose which details to discuss and where to find all that knowledge? I have seen many articles that seem to be published by students, for an assignment in university, i would guess, they make an account, publish an article with one edit, and never come back again. But then, there are also people who create so many articles that they have to make several user subpages to list them all. Is the process followed by a student the same as the one followed by experienced Wikipedia editor who publishes massive amounts of articles? Is there some trick, or some strategy, that can explain how to write good articles quickly? 37.225.46.209 (talk) 19:02, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! Different articles are written at different qualities and you shouldn't be aiming for the same level of experienced editors who have created thousands of articles. Generally creating articles isn't that hard, but requires you to put a bit of effort into it. Often pages are deleted for not being notable, and it is important to make sure the article you create passes notability guidelines. I suggest having a read of my first article and submitting your draft through the Articles for Creation process, to get constructive criticism and feedback on the draft. Hope this helps! — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 19:13, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

WP:MFA doesn't answer the question whether the editors do indeed read all the sources all the way through. Most articles have dozens of sources, many of which are books. Is it necessary to read all the books completely? I was never sure if people who write articles do actually do this.37.225.46.209 (talk) 20:53, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Not necessarily. Sometimes, you won't have access to the whole book. You just have to look at the portion you're citing so you're not randomly citing books and websites that don't talk about what your article says. Ghinga7 (talk) 21:05, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

User page bling

I would love to add on my user page some of the items WormTT uses in the right column of his page, e.g. education level, etc.

Also, I'd like to display on my user page my edit stats, similar to how Beeblebrox displays his admin stats.

Are there templates for this stuff? Ad Meliora (talk) 19:26, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Ad Meliora, you are able to press the "edit source" button to view the wikitext/html for the user pages, and copy the content to your own (though I strongly suggest adding your own twist to it!). For WormTT's userpage, they used <div> tags, but you can easily create the same effect with templates {{Userbox top}} and {{Userbox bottom}}. The statistics on Beeblebrox's userpage were made using {{Adminstats}}, which can only be used by admins, as it needs to be updated by a bot. Hope this helps! — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 19:32, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Berrely! — Ad Meliora ^Talk∕_Contribs 19:38, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

This user is
Nick Moyes.

@Ad Meliora: See also Wikipedia:User page design center for more bling-laden ideas. (BTW: Nice work on the dab pages - I've tweaked a couple of them). Nick Moyes (talk) 19:59, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Nick — Ad Meliora ^Talk∕_Contribs 20:01, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Wow, IP editor, that's one of the best-looking userboxes I've seen! Every home should have one. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:44, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

But then Wikipedia would look less like a Bulletin Board System and would start looking more like literally every other modern website. It only seemed like a fun idea as long as i was convinced that i would be able to add it to your user page. 37.225.46.209 (talk) 21:27, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

As a bit of fun here, I'm OK with it. But, no, please don't add it anywhere else. But thanks, anyway. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:16, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Question on obtaining images for an article

How does one know if an image is "free" to use to illustrate a Wikipedia article? Is there HTML that is embedded in the IMG SRC code that states that? Thanks Untipoflaco (talk) 22:07, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Untipoflaco, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid there is no easy method. You know an image is free if you can find unequivocal evidence either that the image is in the public domain (which usually means either that it was published a long time ago, before a certain date, which might depend on the country where it was published, or that it was produced by a body such as the US Federal Government, which has declared that images produced by its employees in the course of their work are usually public domain) or that the copyright holder has explicitly licensed it under an licence such as CC-BY-SA. If the image is on the Internet, you usually need to find an appropriate copyright message somewhere on the website where it is published. Most images on the Internet are not free, and cannot be used. --ColinFine (talk) 22:52, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Making an edit

How do I make an edit? Jackiezee (talk) 22:48, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Jackiezee, and welcome to the Teahouse. You've just made an edit here, to post your question! That's how you make an edit. If the problem is that you're trying to edit an article that is protected, then see Edit request. --ColinFine (talk) 22:55, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

False positives from the bot

Hello and thank you for your attention. I've been flagged two times right now for possible vandalism - 1 and 2. I know those are not vandalism - just because they aren't, anyone can see it and check. So they are false positives. I did everything the bot tells you to do, so I'm not here to report the bot's actions. I want to know what to do in these situations. Should I stop editing, as the bot seems to be easily triggered by my edits, or should I continue reporting and reverting false positives? Does the bot target people it warns multiple times? ThatStoopidGuy (talk) 21:01, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Cluebot reverted one edit because year-2020 is preferred over year-present; reverted the other because there was no reference to confirm the fictional characters are identified as adopted. Because Cluebot identified these as possible vandalism rather then obvious vandalism, the program did not leave warnings on your Talk page. Please keep editing - Wikipedia needs many concerned article editors.David notMD (talk) 00:29, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Wolfman

 Gojiej (talk) 04:09, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello Gojiej and welcome to the Teahouse. This page is for questions regarding how to edit Wikipedia. Do you have a specific question in mind? ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 06:31, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

as a transgender person, i ask what is the basis to ask the aliens questions, should not we be asking you questions?

 Rachel Vanderthorne (talk) 04:31, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello Rachel Vanderthorne and welcome to the Teahouse. This page is for questions regarding how to edit Wikipedia. Do you have a specific question in mind? ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 06:31, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Help. New editor being harassed while trying to learn how to positively contribute.

I am a new editor and am working on making positive grammar improvements to pages. I am an aspiring editor professionally. In searching for pages related to my interests in artificial intelligence I found a page of a biography of Joanne Pransky. The page's notability had been challenged multiple times by another editor. I attempted to strengthen the page's notability, The page was obscure and had an average of 5 visitors a day. After my edits were erased, I placed a discussion on the talk page if the page should be questioned for factual information. Immediately, I was attacked and now threatened with being blocked and informed my grammar contributions to pages are a waste of time.

Perhaps, I am not a cultural fit for Wiki? I thought asking questions and posting on talk pages was the correct way to conduct myself. Will veteran editors look at my contribution page and talk page and let me know what I am doing wrong or if I am being unfairly attacked by two other editors? I appreciate the help and feedback.

I put down the stick on the Joanne Pransky page because I was threatened to be blocked. I read the best action is to back away and I have run away from the page.

RobotDaneellives (talk) 00:04, 1 October 2020 (UTC) RobotDaneellives (talk) 00:04, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello RobotDaneellives. You asked for opinions and so I will give you mine. You say that your main goal is to make "positive grammar improvements to pages". However, when I review your contributions, I see a two week campaign to belittle and chip away at the reputation of Joanne Pransky. Over and over and over again, you make contentious edits about Pransky with lengthy repetitive edit summaries that make it clear to me that you are negatively obsessed with Pransky for some strange reason. So, this has nothing to do with "grammar". You say that you have dropped the stick and I hope that you are telling the truth because otherwise you are on a glide path toward a block. On another matter, you say "I am an aspiring editor professionally". Well, I think you need to do a lot of work on your spelling in particular, but more generally on your ability to express yourself concisely and clearly. Your edit summaries are really quite strange to me. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:54, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Pinging David notMD, who will know more about this. In the meantime, one little question for you, RobotDaneellives. In one of your edit summaries, you write "we are having a difficult time editing the page even with the help of some great help from an editor on this page who we have thanked". Why "we" rather than "I"? -- Hoary (talk) 01:56, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you both for your feedback. David notMD informed that working with others support is fine but bad form to saw we on Wiki editing. I am a university student and we were assigned to edit pages and show that we improved the validity, reliability, and grammar of multiple pages. In retrospect, it appears I pulled the short straw getting this page. I was assigned to seek truth and fact and to journal how I experienced support and success in improving the Wiki project by being a positive contributor. Based on the feedback, I have much to improve and will work on improving. I am the only editor and have a group of critical friends in the class who discuss my edits and assess the feedback I receive from other editors. I know that using the term we is not good form and I stopped using this term in my edits. Hoary I hope this answers your question and thank you for your patience. I tried based on the feedback to contribute a webpage of this individual as a positive contribution as the father of robotics is quoted on the site praising her greatness. This is my last edit of the page. I surrender! I hope my last contribution is a positive entry. I also included it on the talk page.

--RobotDaneellives (talk) 07:39, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Early on in these exchanges, I had advised RobotDaneellives to cease with the "we" and that the function of Edit summaries was to provide a SHORT description of what was edited. Success on the first, not so much the second. I continue to believe that R's edits were in good faith, not vandalism, and not edit warring, but also believe that there was a focus, verging on obsession, with attacking the Joanne Pransky article and all mentions of her at various lists, over whether she can be described as "expert." Hence my monitoring R's contributions. David notMD (talk) 08:02, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Comment. I believe that RobotDaneellives has indeed pulled a short straw here. It must be hard to improve an article on a self-proclaimed expert while not noticing that her reputation is unwarranted. Maproom (talk) 08:14, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

RobotDaneellives If you are still reading...One way to enrich and improve an article is to read the sources already provided. There appears to be additional information in TechRepublic which is not reflected in the article, and TR seems to be the best source for the article. Adding this (positive, “supportive”) information would be a benefit. Hope this helps, for future editing. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 22:23, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Maproom Our comments (or at least mine) were too late, blocked at 20:42, 1 October 2020 (UTC). Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 06:33, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Mikenicholson.com

Hi, I have been told l need to pay a status tax to get on wikipedia. Is this so? I am a film maker since 1976, and was a Director of DW Thorpe book publishers. Both my Mother, Joyce Thorpe Nicholson, and brother, Peter Nicholson cartoonist are in it. www.mikenicholson.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael John Nicholson (talk • contribs) 04:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mike, Getting into Wikipedia wasn’t easy, had to send $1000 “status tax” to Canberra authorities. But think of the status connected with belonging to the Thorpe / Nicholson publishing empire. Nigel. 03:39, 30 September 2020 (UTC)~ 2001:8003:58D6:AC00:212F:805E:1C38:8649 (talk) 03:39, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

No payment is necessary to get an article on Wikipedia. RudolfRed (talk) 04:40, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

• Could you be so kind as to tell us who told you such? Or where you got such information from? It probably may be internet scam artists trying to swindle you, as you do not need to pay a dime to obtain a biographical article on Wikipedia.Celestina007 (talk) 05:04, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Michael John Nicholson. Are you aware that Wikipedia is not the place to tell the world about yourself?--Quisqualis (talk) 04:49, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

So how do l get started? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael John Nicholson (talk • contribs) 07:01, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

@Michael John Nicholson: To "get on Wikipedia" as an editor is easy. In fact you have done it already by posting here and by registering for a free account. Just follow Help:Introduction or try out The Wikipedia Adventure to learn more about the basics of editing, and of the importance of adding references (See WP:REFBEGIN for that). You could then say a few (non-promotional) things on your userpage about yourself and your interests in editing Wikipedia - but avoid using it as if it were a LinkedIn page to promote yourself or your website (such pages get quickly removed). Like driving a car for the first time, make small. careful edits at first - perhaps fixing typos, improving grammar, adding references etc to articles that interest you. (See the Help Out' section at  Wikipedia:Community portal for a list of ideas to get you started. Never add stuff you happen to know - only ever add content that can be verified by referring to the citations that you will add alongside them.)

However, if by "get on Wikipedia" you mean how do you get an article about yourself in this encyclopaedia, the simple answer is that you don't. Unless you have been written about in detail and in depth by various independent mainstream sources you join the remaining 7,000,000 human beings, and millions of businesses who simply do not meet our Notability Criteria - which is the essential bar for allowing a page here. Does that help? Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 07:23, 30 September 2020 (UTC)    

Please also see the answers you received at the help desk back in March, Michael John Nicholson, now archived at Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2020 March 22#Michael John Nicholson. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:27, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Apropos of payments, I hope that you didn't pay any money to "Jaan.raadik", who created a draft about you in January 2016 (subsequently deleted) or to "RashillGopee", who did the same three years later. Each time, an editor appeared merely in order to create such a draft (a curious editing pattern); and each time, submission of the draft got the response "Declining submission: bio - Submission is about a person not yet shown to meet notability guidelines." -- Hoary (talk) 07:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi, why can you say l did nothing of 'notibility'? I set up 'Rubbery Figures' [political puppets like Spitting Image] with my brother and they were run for 6 years on Aust national tv? I did scripts, filming, animation, editing and sound. And then there are all my other films l made that were shown on Aust tv, and my books and art exhibitions. And was director of D.W. Thorpe Pty Ltd, publishers. You can see all my work on my website, www.mikenicholson.com so why would you not have me on it? I dont understand this, I seem to be getting mixed messages from a lot of different people at Wikipedia. - Mike. Michael John Nicholson (talk) 08:36, 30 September 2020 (UTC) Michael John Nicholson (talk) 08:36, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Notability, as that term is used on Wikipedia, is judged not by what you've done, Michael John Nicholson, but by whether people independent of you have written about you in reliable, published sources. See WP:GOLDENRULE for a simple explanation. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:43, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Mike, I don't see any mixed messages coming from the registered editors here. As was said above, whoever suggested paying a status tax to get an article published here was scamming you, and the first response from the IP address 2001...8649 was at best a poor attempt at a joke by an anonymous poster.

As was written above and on your talk page this time and six months ago, the word notable has a specific meaning here, with specific criteria. If you can provide at least three in-depth, independent, reliable sources (all three criteria must be satisfied as described at notable), please provide links to them. If so, we can then discuss how to get an article written.

Note none of this has anything to do with the quality or volume of your work – we don't make value judgements. It's all about those sources having written about you so we can summarize what they said, since that's what we do here as an encyclopedia, a tertiary source.

There are likely many thousands of creative people with man-decades of work who just don't meet the notability criteria and therefore don't qualify for an article. (We acknowledge that there are many such articles that were put here illegitimately in the past; they are slowly being removed if found to be so by this all-volunteer team.)

It's unfortunate that there's this idea out there, especially in the creative world, that not having an article about you on Wikipedia makes one "less-than" or illegitimate. We volunteers do what we can, every day, to try to explain that just isn't so. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 09:23, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

The best point you raised appears to be your involvement in Rubbery figures. However, that article has no references (putting it at risk for deletion), and also, the sentence "The Rubbery Figures programs were made in the Melbourne film studio of Peter Nicholson, who also made the puppets themselves." gives all the credit to your brother, Peter Nicholson (cartoonist). If you were truly equally involved, you may consider adding references to that article, including references that mention you, and then add a description of your contributions to the text of the article. As a general note, millions of people are successful in doing creative things (film, books, art exhibitions, publishing), but unless those people are written about by others who have no personal connection to the subject, do not meet Wikipedia's encyclopaedic definition of notability. David notMD (talk) 11:30, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Michael John Nicholson AND, under unintended consequences, Rubbery figures is now nominated for deletion for no references in support of notability. If you choose to add references, you should declare on your User page your relationship to the article. David notMD (talk) 22:11, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

A slightly more positive unintended consequence: the article Rubbery Figures has now been improved somewhat and saved from deletion. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:51, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Tags

What WikiProject tags should I add for an article about a programming language and how should these tags be spelled/capitalized? 84.238.45.164 (talk) 08:10, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

If this is about Draft:Flix (programming language), then probably {{WikiProject Computing}} and {{WikiProject Computer science}}. Since it's a draft, you don't have to assign it a quality rating as "Draft" will automatically be chosen, and importance-wise I would rate it "Low". Do note that this isn't essential until the draft gets approved, and adding this doesn't improve your chances. ◢  Ganbaruby! 

 (Say hi!) 08:31, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! JorKadeen (talk) 08:36, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Photos in Wikipedia

Hello,

Are accepted photos from Instagram, Twitter, Flicker or facebook to be added in Wikipedia pages?

Forever Jose () (talk) 09:25, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Forever Jose. Usually no. Photos need to be under a free license in their source. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 09:29, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

@Forever Jose: Whilst Instagram and Facebook don't really give the user the option of releasing their images under an appropriate licence, Flickr does offer that. The default position is that every image on Flickr is copyright of the author, and thus unusable. But look for the licencing icon on a Flickr image page and you can determine whether that person has altered it to make it reusable here. It categorically MUST be released under a licence which permits commercial reuse. Just non-commercial reuse it definitely not acceptable - so CC-BY-SA is the abbreviation you'll be hoping to see. In the upload process you would link to the page it came from so that one of the volunteer checking team can verify if it was properly licenced at the time. I've once or twice contacted photographers on Flickr and asked if they'd consider changing the licence of on particular image so that it can be used on Wikimedia Commons or elsewhere - and usually with good results. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:58, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Modifying the title while on draft

Hello, I am working on a draft that by mistake I placed the title wrong It should say Ignacio Pena Del Rio but it says Ignacio Peña Del Rio This is the draft: Draft:Ignacio Peña Del Rio Anyone knows how to accomplish this? Angie Lynn Anderson (talk) 09:45, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Angie Lynn Anderson Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If there is an issue with the title, I would leave a note on the article talk page that the reviewers will see; if they accept your draft, they will handle moving it into the main encyclopedia and what title it is at. (I've fixed the link to your draft, you don't need the whole web address). 331dot (talk) 09:48, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Oops - Whilst I was considering suggesting that, too, I thought it quicker to change the draft article's title - which I've just done. Sorry for the clash, 331dot. regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:51, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angie Lynn Anderson (talk • contribs) 09:55, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes That's certainly fine too- it just saves a step in case the draft is not accepted. But there is no problem in doing so. :) 331dot (talk) 09:58, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Afc: Jair Burgos is declined

Submission of Jair Burgos is declined with comments - Sources are not reliable. Before submission of this draft for review, I had searched on wiki. To make sure each and every source which I am mentioning in Jair Burgos must be used in other already published bio on wikipedia. I am considering since these sites are one of reliable sources thats why these pages are listed on wiki. These sites are used in various published pages. Many of them has their own wiki page as well.

Adding search links for your reference.
1. backstage.com - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=backstage.com&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1&ns0=1
2. patch.com - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=patch.com&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1&ns0=1
3. digitaljournal.com - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=digitaljournal.com&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1&ns0=1
4. issuu.com - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=issuu.com&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1&ns0=1

Please guide to fix the mistake and include this page for listing.

I am accepting my mistake to use image. Thank you so much for correcting my mistake and removing from draft. Vsp.manu (talk) 04:51, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Vsp.manu, I tried to see your draft and have same concerns. IMDB is not reliable and others may not. Backstage is definitely not reliable because it doesn't meet the WP:RS criteria. Same goes the case with Issuu. Digital journal report is not reliable because it is a PR. Please see WP:42 for more help. Thank you! ─ The Aafī (^talk) 06:12, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Vsp.manu While it may be a starting point in evaluating a source's reliability, the presence of a source elsewhere on enwiki is not, in itself, a guarantee that it is reliable in general, or for the particular claim you are using it to cite. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:17, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Please make me administrator

 Tamilreporter123 (talk) 05:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

If this is a serious question, WP:Requests_for_adminship may help you

Vedvod (talk) 05:56, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Tamilreporter123, You joined the Wikipedia a day before yesterday and today you want to be an administrator. Wow! ─ The Aafī (^talk) 06:06, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Hey! A man sentient being can dream... It also may help them in future? idk

Vedvod (talk) 06:17, 2 October 2020 (UTC) why do i sign like this?

Tamilreporter123, there is a very low chance of you becoming an administrator, least of all because you don't pass the requirements. Administrators are users with special tools that allow them to delete pages, block user, etc, and for almost everything you need to do on Wikipedia, you wouldn't need those tools. The administrator right is given to experienced users in good standing, and I'm sad to say you currently don't qualify for it. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 07:01, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Berrely,

Technically, as stated here,

"The English Wikipedia has no official requirements to become an administrator. Any registered user can request adminship ("RFA") from the community, regardless of their Wikipedia experience."

but yes, it would be very hard, especially since there is is a discrepancy here, where

"The...prerequisites for adminship are having an account and being extended confirmed (having both 30 days' tenure and 500 edits) so that you can file your own nomination."

The result is that according to one article, the user can in fact register and just is unlikely to be accepted, but the other article states that they are unable to register. So you are half-correct in saying that they currently don't qualify for it, though I'd trust the information on WP:RFA over WP:MOP.

I'm sorry about this unnecessariness, I just felt like pointing it out –––[Vedvod | My (bad) contributions to this site | Talk] 09:17, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Berrely was quite correct, and you would be wise to heed their advice. While you are correct that those are the formal requirements of being an administrator, you would need to pass a community discussion at Requests for Adminship. As stated there, "However, the likelihood of passing without being able to show significant positive contributions to the encyclopedia is low." Each participant in RFA discussions has their own personal criteria for evaluating if someone merits being given the toolset, but as a new user you lack a good edit history that shows things like good judgement, temperament, a cool head, good contributions to the encyclopedia, and a need for the tools. As Berrely noted, but I'll reiterate, you can do 95% of things on Wikipedia without being an administrator. Being an administrator carries no special status, you would just have buttons that would be irresponsible for everyone to have(like deleting articles). If you really want the toolset at some point, I would actually forget about it for awhile and concentrate on being a good editor. If you spend enough time doing that(likely years), other editors will see your contributions and any need you might have for the toolset and nominate you. In the short term, though, your chances of being given the tools are just about zero. 331dot (talk) 09:29, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

I misread the signatures above; apologies to Vedvod. 331dot (talk) 09:34, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

@Vedvod and Tamilreporter123: I want to point out that spurious RfAs can be regarded as disruptive. As to the question itself, realistically, you need to be here and do good work (thousands of edits) in many areas of the project for at least a couple of years to acquire and refine the skills needed to be an admin, and for others to be able to see that in your contributions in order to vouch for you in an RfA. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:30, 2 October 2020 (UTC)