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Enfield Town FC again!

Enfield Town F.C. (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Still having problems. You kindly revised Ericsback's posts of unverifiable opinion on the Enfield (1893) F.C. page. He very obviously doesn't know how to edit pages properly and managed to delete one of my references on the Enfield Town page while very obviously trying to keep it, but he has also reposted content about the reason for a libel suit which is quite frankly not true. I have reverted the page to my last edit in order to remove this. I know he no longer bothers replacing the personal opinion stuff on the Enfield (1893) page so I have a favour to ask. Could you perhaps inform him that he shouldn't do it to the Enfield Town page either. I keep pointing him to The five pillars of Wikipedia but that has no effect. In fact all that happens is I get more abuse, the latest piece being called, "Kommandant of Stalag luft 13". He has already got a warning from someone else on his talk page but he ignored that. I will post another comment to his talk page suggesting he makes sure he doesn't include something which is plainly untrue as well as the POV stuff but I am sure that anything he gets from me is just seen as, "Oh no! Same old person beating the same old drum." Thanks again. -- Jancyclops (talk) 20:02, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks mate. I get the feeling Mr Wall may finally have got the hint. He is now refusing to talk to me and yet all I have really wanted right the way through is for him to cite sources for his additions to the Enfield Town FC page. I think I upset him by not calling him names and by continually pointing him to the Five Pillars (and I have to thank you for the fact I know about them in the first place). He has still had to have the last word about the drop in standards. OK, we didn't drop as far as those Wimbledon fans who went from following the original club to AFC Wimbledon but a lot of them had actually stopped going anyway, so going to watch any football was a step up (but I am not going to bother removing that bit). But the Wimbledon fans didn't experience the same drop as ManU fans leaving to go to FC United. I expect him to start posting such information to the AFC Wimbledon page a.s.a.p. Well, no, he has got an axe to grind so I don't really.
Anyway, once again, thanks for helping out without having to ban the bloke from posting to Wikipedia. I really don't want anybody banned unless they do an awful lot more than he did. --Jancyclops (talk) 20:28, 23 June 2009 (UTC)(a.k.a. "Kommandant of Stalag luft 13")

If you think you have seen the last of me then think again. I will continue to disrupt yours, and anyone else's self congratulatory witterings as your wailing has just made me more and more determined. Your patronising replies and pathetic protests about my edits do not disguise the fact that I have hit a very raw nerve with you and that you are extremely uncomfortable when anyone says anything that you do not agree with. I will not comply with your demands no matter how much you stamp your feet. Like I say, Eric is not only back, but he's here to stay. Ericsback (talk) 21:01, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Enfield Town FC

I am having trouble with the Enfield Town FC page being vandalised. User:Ericsback keeps accusing Enfield Town of hijacking the now defunct Enfield FC. "Hijacking" means to take over by force (so Wiki tells me) and Enfield FC carried on going until 2007, which suggests that the new club did not hijack the old one. He also keeps putting in unverifiable opinions surrounding the motives for the formation of both AFC Wimbledon and FC United of Manchester. I don't want to be in an edit war but equally I don't want unverifiable POV included in the article. As it happens I have left some of his comments in, with "citation needed" next to them, because I am fairly sure he is correct but these, again, cannot be verified. I have previously requested semi-protection to stop these attacks but I suspect User:Ericsback requested the article to be unprotected so he could change it again and then semi-protected, presumably so that I don't revert it. Jancyclops (talk) 12:14, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK

Updated DYK query On 23 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Curtis Woodhouse, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Jordan Contribs 12:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Anthony Robinson cont...

Regardless, he played two league games. That makes him notable... if barely. Minfo (talk) 01:36, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Notice

Curtis Woodhouse

Hey. Just letting you know that the article you nommed is now a GA. :) Wizardman 01:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

prizefighter

Hi Jimbo, could you let me know why you adjusted the titles of the individual tournaments and also what specifically it is about the article you feels requires clean up? Thanks Notjamesbond (talk) 08:43, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey

I wanted to talk to you about these last few months in boxing, and the next few months. Is that alright?--Jedi Kasra (talk) 19:10, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

  • So I suppose you missed the Haye-Barrett fight? I saw the whole thing on Youtube, it was very cool, and I'm glad that Haye weighed in at 215 lbs, in my opinion he should not go above 224. Holyfield only weighed in above 220 once, and that was the second bout with John Ruiz, where he weighed in at 221. I am dissapointed in the fact that The Ring magazine did not choose to rank Haye, rather choosing to rank unbeaten Ukrainian Alexander Dimitrenko. They said in this year's May issue that they'd rank Haye as soon as he fought at heavyweight, but they didn't! I don't understand why, according to Boxrec.com, Dimetrenko KO'd one Luan Krasniqi in the third round, on the same day Haye KO'd Barrett. What I don't understand is how The Ring could consider that more of an accomplishment that Haye knocking down Barrett five times, kayoing him in round 5. Anyway, I really like Haye, I prefer him to Chris Arreola, and I feel he can inject excitement back in the heavyweights, but I just feel that he should take his time, like Evander Holyfield, did when he first campaigned for the h'weight title, and fight more contenderd until the Klitschkos have no choice but to fight him. Opponents for Haye are out there, he could fight Dimetrenko, Ibragimov, Maskaev. Former unsisputed cruiserweight champ O'Neil Bell recently announced his desire to campaign at h'weight, Haye could take him on. Holyfield was ranked #1 by ing magazine and the WBA and WBC for TWO YEARS after beating James Tillis, and Tyson ducked him, for whatever reason, fighting Frank Bruno, Tyrell Biggs, Carl Williams, and James Douglas. Still, Holyfield kept busy, trying the approach of beating everybody so Tyson has nobody left to fight.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 21:06, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
  • I would like to see Hatton fight the winner of Pacquiao-De La Hoya, which I believe will be Pacquiao, but Iwould also like to see him fight WBC junior-welterweight champ Timothy Bradley, who beat Junior Witter for that title. He's got more sting in his punch, I believe, I didn't not see him beat Witter, but I did see him beat Edner Cherry, so.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 21:15, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
  • How goes everything, man? Been a while. Who are you backing for the Hatton-Pacquia fight?--Jedi Kasra (talk) 15:26, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
  • By the way, I know I live in Virginia in the US, but because I have DISH network, I can get a Setanta Network channel. I enjoy watching the Steve Bunce Boxing Hour, it sucks that there isn't a show completely dedicated to boxing here in the US year round. Yeah, we have seasons of "Friday Night Fights" usually on every week, but a season usually lasts from January to September, and HBO and Showtime have their cards typically twice per month. Anyway, I have heard a lot about a boxer named Martin Rogan. Have you seen him fight, and just how good is he?--Jedi Kasra (talk) 15:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
  • What about the upcoming bout between Haye and W. Klitschko? I am in support of Haye, because teh division needs life breathed in in desperately, but I disapprove of the way he is conducting himself to the brothers, I mean, Wlad's basically giving him an undeserved shot, so he should be grateful. Still, I think Haye will make the most of it, since the best opponent either has beaten in Juan Carlos Gomez, and will outspeed a KO Wlad, hopefully. I don't think he can win a decision in Germany, hopefully he'll go to Kiltschko's gut, something I don't see too many fighters do. I heard that Rogan is 38? I got the June issue of The Ring Magazine today, and it features Rogan, so I'll be able to read more about him. I like Hatton, I think he's a very cool dude and he's The Ring Magazine champ, making him the true, legitimate, and only junior-welterweight champion. I'm just not sure if he'll be able to deal with the speed of Pacquiao. I was wrong about the Malignaggi fight, but you know what they say, you are only as good as your last fight. In this one, Hatton will be impressive going in. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Hatton will win, but I guess we'll have to see it Saturday. (In my case, I 'll have to see it when HBO shows the fight before the live broadcast of Antonio Tarver-Chad Dawson II.) After that, we should discuss it.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 17:34, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
  • It'd be weird if it was a draw, wouldn't it?--Jedi Kasra (talk) 17:35, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
  • I read the Ring's article on Rogan, was impressed, by the way, and near the end they suggested Chris Arreola as a potential opponent. What's your take on this? I really don't care too much for Arreola, just wanted to get your opinion. I think Haye might struggle, too. I just find it unfair that people criticize Haye, I mean yeah he was stopped, but it was in his what, 10th or 11th pro fight? And he's improved since then. As far as I know, the only time Wlad's crawled off the canvas to win was against Sam Peter, and Peter hit him in the back of the head twice to knock him down two out of three times, which in my opinion shouldn't have been called knockdowns. Also, Haye will be the fastest opponent Wlad's faced, probably faster than Corrie Sanders. Can you let me know how Williams-McDermott goes? Never heard of McDermott, but know that Williams beat the shell that was Mike Tyson, then got KO'd by Vitali Klitschko.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 18:19, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Also, if you were Haye, what would be your ideal weight for the fight? I would weight no more than 220, and no less than 215. I figure Wlad will be in the best shape of his life, so he'll probably come in around 235-240.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 18:19, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Yes, I did, on Showtime. It was an excellent fight, Froch's got a lot of options now. I would like to see him fight Taylor again, because two of the three judges scorecards indicated that Taylor would have won if he had managed to hang on. Froch's definitely earned my respect, got a fan-friendly style, though he can be out-boxed. Not sure if he would win over Kessler, but Froch-Librado Andrade or Lucian Bute-Froch would be worth watching. Andrade, like Froch, is a come-forward slugger, while I think Froch has a good chance of KOing Bute, if he does what Andrade did to the Romanian-Canadian in the 12th round of their first fight. Today's the big day, man, Hatton-Pacquiao. May the best man win.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 14:27, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

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Micky Welch

Hey, I'm unable to log on to Playerhistory - it says my account has been disabled, so that's a bugger. Anyway, I had a look through Hugman's PFA book and found that he played for Wimbledon in the FL and have included that in the article. This and this also look quite promising as sources to include. Merry crimbo to you too, make sure you have fun on your travels. Mattythewhite (talk) 11:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Vladimir Farrell

Thanks, that needed a bit of work on it. Bevo74 (talk) 11:58, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Dennis Oli

Hi Jimbo

An anon user has changed Oli's appearance/goals data for Grays from 111 (21) to the frankly implausible 111 (47). Normally I'd just revert, but I noticed that neither set of data even remotely matches Soccerbase, which gives 86 (12). This seems to be because Soccerbase has no data for Grays for season 04/05. Are you able to confirm what his correct Grays stats should be.....?

Cheers!! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:49, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

date links.

I just like to point out that you aren't suppose to link to dates, even in citations per wp:unlinkdates, wp:overlink rules. Regards Govvy (talk) 15:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

March 2008

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia!

I hope not to seem unfriendly or make you feel unwelcome, but I noticed your username, and I am concerned that it might not meet Wikipedia's username policy for the following reason: Can be interpreted as a claim that you are Jimmy Wales online - undue assertion of authority. After you look over that policy, could we discuss that concern here?

I'd appreciate learning your own views, for instance your reasons for wanting this particular name, and what alternative username you might accept that avoids raising this concern.

You have several options freely available to you:

Thank you. Indianopilot (talk) 20:10, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Ritchie Hanlon

Updated DYK query On April 13, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ritchie Hanlon, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Shubinator (talk) 03:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Julian Hails

Updated DYK query On April 16, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Julian Hails, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 08:32, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of the Up the U's page

Please explain why this is a 'non-notable football chant'. It has been sung by fans of Colchester United for years and has even been recorded and released by artists who are fans of the club (and backed up by members of the football team itself). If you can explain your objection to this article, then I can edit it and improve the article.

I have raised this question on the Up the U's talk page 3 days ago and have not recieved a reply. If I do not recieve a reply by tomorrow, I'll remove your request to delete the page. DarthJoeyJoJo (talk) 09:28, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I've expanded the lead section as you suggested. Can I remove the deletion notice. Thanks for your input. DarthJoeyJoJo (talk) 10:59, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. Laters!! DarthJoeyJoJo (talk) 12:58, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Kayleigh Pearson

Dear Sir. Thank you for introducing me to Kayleigh Pearson. I will forever be in your debt. Your Humble Servant IHaveTheLongestUsernameInTheWorldEver (talk) 22:43, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Essex derby

Updated DYK query On April 23, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Essex derby, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Ruhrfisch ><>°° 13:24, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Peer Review

Hi, added a few comments to the peer review you requested Stu.W UK (talk) 11:24, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

List of female boxers

I removed the prod tag from List of female boxers, since the article has previously been kept at AfD (see Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_female_boxers) and is thus not eligible for PROD. I also disagree that the deletion would be non-controversial, as the article has existed for 5 years and has had many editors. Furthermore, I disagree with your deletion rationale, as wp:lists says that redundancy between lists and categories is beneficial and I feel this list is well defined and maintainable. Having a list allows for including red links to articles that should be created, while a category alone does not. Calathan (talk) 04:56, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Ernie Cooksey

Great job cleaning up the article and finding references. I was meaning to get around to it (for several months now...), but it always slipped my mind and it never happened. You did a great job with it. Keep it up! :) –  LATICS  talk  20:13, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Template:Defunct national football teams

Hi thanks for resolving this problem, obviously teams such as West Germany, Estonia, Egypt, Russia, Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Pakistan, Poland, South Africa, Syria, Tanganyika, URS, North Vietnam, North Yemen, and the FR of Yugoslavia have undergone name and border changes, and have been excluded from this list, it is not really clear why, could you link other to the definition you are using? Thanks Fasach Nua (talk) 19:59, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Richard Goddard-Crawley

Hi Jimbo; on your 'Players' subpage, you have a Brentford player listed as [[Richard Goddard (English footballer); he was actually called Richard Goddard-Crawley. Hope this helps, GiantSnowman 00:42, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Patrick Ada

Hi- Patrick Ada signed for Crewe Alexandra yesterday, will be a key member of the squad, no need for any deletion box, I created the page to allow fans to access information on him easily. Thanks, Rup235 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rup235 (talk • contribs) 13:41, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

So all I've got to do is wait till he plays in the first game of the season (not the friendly games, against the likes of Wolves, Wigan Athletic and Birmingham City), and then add him back on, even though he's played 90 games for Histon FC in 2 years? Ok, I've saved a template so I suppose I can wait... I know it's what you call crystal balling, but it's pretty certain he's going to feature- the manager wants to play him! Rup235 (talk 15:45, 22 May 2009 BST)

Question

Could you explain the rationale behind this series of reverts you did [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]. While going through and adding a space seems a huge waste of time to me, following behind to undo them seems an even greater waste. I'm quite curious as to why it was thought necessary. Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 20:27, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. You saved 20 bytes. In this case, you added a space. As I said, it seems a huge waste of time. Wildhartlivie (talk) 20:57, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Samuel Galindo

I didn't keep it, I closed it as "no consensus". The general agreement was that the article failed WP:ATHLETE. On the other hand, the subject likely passes WP:N, so there was no consensus for deletion. Hope this helps, –Juliancolton | Talk 15:53, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't know; I can only go by consensus. –Juliancolton | Talk 13:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
How so? You argued for deletion, so with all due respect, I feel you might have a bias in determining which points were valid. Feel free to take it to DRV, as you suggested. –Juliancolton | Talk 13:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
The counter argument was "It passes WP:N which supersedes WP:ATHLETE". –Juliancolton | Talk 15:40, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, as I said, DRV would be quite useful in receiving some outside views. –Juliancolton | Talk 19:59, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Katie Jarvis

Updated DYK query On June 2, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Katie Jarvis, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

20:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Wilnis

Thanks for this, but I'm puzzled why you removed his place of birth? That seems to be standard, to go alongside his date of birth. --Dweller (talk) 11:45, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in, but I saw your post on Mattythewhite's talk page. The relevant bit of the MoS is at WP:MOSNUM#Dates of birth and death, the last bullet-point, where it says "Locations of birth and death are given subsequently rather than being entangled with the dates." cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:15, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks to you both for taking the trouble to clear this up. That was helpful, thank you. --Dweller (talk) 13:29, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Kevin Scriven

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from Kevin Scriven, which you proposed for deletion, because its deletion has previously been contested or viewed as controversial. Proposed deletion is not for controversial deletions. For this reason, it is best not to propose deletion of articles that have previously been de-{{prod}}ed, even by the article creator, or which have previously been listed on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to the article, but feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks!

DitzyNizzy (aka Jess)|(talk to me)|(What I've done) 14:51, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Jack Jeffery

Help me out here! If he has been released does that not make him without a club and unattached? One thing seems certain he won't be playing for West Ham next season--Egghead06 (talk) 16:01, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Place of birth

I'm afraid I can't help; I was actually thinking the exact same thing myself recently here. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:48, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

WP:BEFORE

You need to follow WP:BEFORE and have a discussion on the talk pages before trying to destroy the source of all human knowledge. -- Biaswarrior (talk) 19:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I've reported you actions at WP:ANI. You do not have the right to delete content here and then revert war to keep others away. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Biaswarrior (talk • contribs) 19:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
***USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST*** J.delanoygabsadds 19:50, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Simon Wormull

Hi, noticed you fact-tagged the bit about him linking up with Sigere for the 6th time. Not sure how to reference that: Farnborough's squad page does contain Sigere and doesn't contain any of the released players, but it's still titled Farnborough Football Club 2008/09, and as far as I can find, they haven't published an explicit retained list. What do you suggest? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:06, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Kyle Bennett (footballer)

Hi, I see you've been having conflict with a user on this page, and well me editing too. Kyle Bennett's article was up for deletion as he has never played in a first team game, league or cup for any side, thereby failing wiki's criteria for inclusion.

The information added about him appearing in the final game v Doncaster is false (by unknown IP but perhaps User:2000uk unlogged?), I think he is confusing him with Ashley Hemmings (http://www.soccerbase.com/results3.sd?gameid=583818). I'm not too upto speed on deletion techniques so I'll leave that to you if you think it's valid. Wolvesweb (talk) 15:45, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Danny Batth

On another Wolves cleanup note, Batth has never played for the first team nor been an unused sub, but he did sign a first team contract in January 2009 and travelled with the squad to several games, whether this makes him a valid first team squad member I'm unsure - the new squad numbers in late July will clatify all anyway Wolvesweb (talk) 15:48, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Bennett

no i am not confused with Hemmings, and Kyle Bennett's page should not be deleted as although he has not played a leage game he has been promoted to the first squad, travelled with the first team and also if someone could get his England Youth stats on then it shoudnt be deleted so leave it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2000uk (talk • contribs) 18:27, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Why?

did you feel a need to delete the boxer Salita's nickname?--Ethelh (talk) 22:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Grays / Grays Thurrock

I have no source for calling it a "formal name", that was just my choice of wording. There are numerous sources for "Grays Thurrock" - for example Christopher Harrold (Editor), Exploring Thurrock (Thurrock Local History Society, 2008) or the museum fact files http://www.thurrock.gov.uk/heritage/content.php?page=parish_facts. There is some similarity with Chadwell, which more formally is Chadwell St Mary. Rjm at sleepers (talk) 18:37, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Baichung Bhutia

Do you think this has a chance of being a GA or B-Class? Spiderone (talk) 10:06, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

HAT note

I don't often use hatnote, so I may have done it incorrectly, but I'm not clear why the hatnote (either my version or CtD's) on Kevin Maher (U.S. soccer player) was contrary to the relevant policy, and how we should redirect a MISL fan who finds himself at Kevin Maher. Kevin McE (talk) 06:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

P Burridge & L Unsworth

Hi. Why did you change the Football (soccer) link been as it's a redirect anyway. Why did you remove the birthplace from the first line. Eldumpo (talk) 13:39, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Birthdate/place issues

Hi there JIMBO, VASCO from Portugal here,

Regarding this article and its implications, i'll say:

First, i am sorry if i came across as aggressive, it is just i was told several times that birthplaces were not to be included in birthdates, but should be kept in storyline, somewhere (in start most of the time), and you removed everything. My opinion, which is of no consequence to WP/MOSNUM of course (all editors must comply to it, i'm no exception of course), is that articles should read - I.E. - RAUL GONZALEZ (born June 27, 1977 in Madrid), it's much more logical to keep that sort of info "glued", but if MOSNUM says different i'll respect it.

However, found this bit upon reading the manual, which concurs with the first notion i was taught: "Locations of birth and death are given subsequently rather than being entangled with the dates". As you see, it is not be removed, rather relocated. I already re-composed Asenjo's page.

That is all for the moment, sorry 4 any incovenience, keep up the good work,

VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 14:57, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

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