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Speedy deletion nomination of George Murray Smith the Younger

A tag has been placed on George Murray Smith the Younger requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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Status and Advice

As reviewing administrator, of course did not delete it: he's included in the ODNB, and that is proof of notability. Please note that we do not really trust any of the Who's who series as a proof of notability. DGG ( talk ) 01:51, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

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Category sorting

Just a reminder that DEFAULTSORT is not a template, it's a magic word, and it uses a colon, not a pipe. For instance, it's {{DEFAULTSORT:Hughes-Stanton, Herbert}}, not {{DEFAULTSORT|Hughes-Stanton, Herbert}}. — Paul A (talk) 01:34, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Another reminder: you made the same error again on Percy Nunn. — Paul A (talk) 01:52, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

You're still doing it. Please make an effort to get the code right, otherwise you're just making work for whoever has to clean up after you. — Paul A (talk) 01:28, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Speedy tagging

Hi. Please don't use speedy tags like {{delete|reason=vanity}} - you should not WP:BITE the newbies, and for that reason we try not to use the V word. In any case, you should try to use one of the official tags listed at WP:CSD - the right one here was {{db-person}}. If you can't find one to fit, probably the page is not speediable. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 19:18, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I see thanks. {{delete-person}} not {{delete|reason=vanity}} Barney the barney barney (talk) 23:04, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Note - I deactivated the templates so that it wouldn't look like this page was up for deletion. Will Beback talk 23:33, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Jane Heal

A tag has been placed on Jane Heal requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Renford Bambrough

A tag has been placed on Renford Bambrough requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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Admitting Mistake

I am sorry. I have removed the tag. Didn't realize it earlier. I was trying to get that deletion tag on another page but accidentally placed it on yours. I have just added the correct reference tags so that if any other user has any information or any user wants to contribute more towards the article he can. Once again sorry.
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karl-Adolf Deubler

You seem to have made this edit to the wrong discussion. I've removed your comment, but you may want to to insert it into the correct discussion. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:48, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

BPS Presidents

Gosh, that is ambitious. Someone will have to be very busy? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:30, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

66 stubs won't take long (?) They're mostly men, you know. haha Make sure you get Vicki's done, though! Martinevans123 (talk) 23:53, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

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Peter Venables

Can you please add references to prove notability? Independent of the department web page.Chemical Engineer (talk) 22:04, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

January 2012

Please stop. Continuing to remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Charles Wilfred Valentine, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, may be considered disruptive editing. Further edits of this type may result in your account being blocked from editing. MikeWazowski (talk) 20:04, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Mike, that is just plain rude. Barney the barney barney (talk) 20:05, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

This is your last warning. You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize a page, as you did with this edit to Charles Wilfred Valentine. Captain n00dle \^Talk 20:11, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

The ignorance being displayed here is breathtaking. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:21, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Category sorting

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Speedy Deletion

Please keep in mind that to nominate pages for speedy deletion, you must be able to point to a specific wp:csd. "Advert, too short," may be based on good reasoning but the page was newly posted so "too short" is irrelevant and "advert" wasn't backed up by the actual content. Thanks for understanding, --Non-Dropframe _talk 21:39, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Encyclopedia of Australian Science

A tag has been placed on Encyclopedia of Australian Science requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Encyclopedia of Australian Science

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Proposed deletion of Encyclopedia of Australian Science

The article Encyclopedia of Australian Science has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Unremarkable website. Google search on "Encyclopedia of Australian Science" shows only 24 results - no significant coverage from reliable sources.

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Speedy deletion tags

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Speedy deletion nomination of Sidney Maynard Smith

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John Lilleyman Status and Advice

As reviewing administrator, I think this indicates at least some importance, so not appropriate for speedy deletion. But more is needed. FRCP is not by itself notable, and inclusion in Who's Who is not considered here as notability either, nor are they considered a Reliable Source. What is considered notable is given in WP:PROF, he needs to be shown an authority in his subject. What positions did he hold, what did he publish? I advise you to fix the problem, and do this very quickly, before the article gets nominated for deletion by a regular deletion process. Unless more is written, it wont hold. DGG ( talk ) 02:39, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but Knight Bachelor is. Barney the barney barney (talk) 19:35, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

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Nomination of Sidney Maynard Smith for deletion

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Redirect Barnstar

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Speedy deletion nomination of User:Barney the barney barney

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General advice

We're very glad to have additional articles on notable scientists and physicians. I've been working primarily to achieve this for years now, and you help is greatly appreciated. But you might help even more if you wrote more substantial articles. An article should not just list the name and the subject, and some supporting references. It should explain why the person is notable. A reasonable length for a stub is not one sentence, but one paragraph. When you have a bio notice or the obit in front of you is the time to do it; it will be easier for you then than it will be for you or anybody at any later time. Add at least the degrees--including the university--we need this information to add to the lists of notable alumni--, and the key positions, If they wrote book, list them; if articles, the 3 or 4 most widely known or cited. If they were editors of a journal, say so. This way, it won;lt be necessary for you to keep defending the articles, and for others to fix them. DGG ( talk ) 02:51, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of William de Burgh (philosopher)

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Ronald Adam

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Burke's Baronetage, Oxford DNB, Who's Who, how many do you need?

As per WP:SOURCE just one will be required. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 14:37, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

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Nomination of Preston King (academic) for deletion

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It would be a great help if you would check the other Wikipedia articles that contain links to "Preston King" and fix them to take readers to the correct article. Thanks. R'n'B (call me Russ) 11:51, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about Archibald Auldjo Jamieson

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Deletion discussion about Anke Ehlers

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Hugh Newall is now work-in-progress and should not be deleted; he was a famous astronomer!

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Ascension

Many thanks for your kind work on the above article; it looks a lot tidier now. I have re-instated the people without articles (some of whom do need articles) following your example in alphabetical sequence. I see you have added a few cross references to Find-A-Grave (below) but are you aware that ALL of these people have Find-A-Grave entries, and that the links are already in their articles? Will you be completing "References" from A-Z, or otherwise? Martin.

^ John Couch Adams at Find a Grave ^ Sir Hgugh Kerr Anderson at Find a Grave ^ Elizabeth Anscombe at Find a Grave ^ Richard Appleton at Find a Grave ^ Arthur John Arberry at Find a Grave ^ Sir Robert Stawell Ball at Find a Grave

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References:

^ Jon Burnaby at Find a Grave

^ Sir Hgugh Kerr Anderson at Find a Grave

Please correct these typos.?

^ Richard Appleton at Find a Grave

This link does not work - can you disambiguate 'Richard Appleton' please?

You can copy and paste the references to Find-A-Grave from the individual articles, of course?

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Thanks Gwarben! That's really helpful. Barney the barney barney (talk) 18:08, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Arthur Beer

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Thanks for your help Uberaccount! That's really helpful! It might be more helpful though if you could please try not to nominate notable people for speedy deletion? Barney the barney barney (talk) 22:54, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Margaret Heitland

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List of Articles created by Anonymous users

Hi Barney, I created this article in order to get help, hoping that other editors will fill in the article. I originally wanted to submit a request for this article to be created and I couldn't figure out how to do it. Thanks Vibhabamba (talk) 04:23, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Daisy, Daisy...

Sorry, but I've declined your speedy. It may fall under BLP1E, but there's too much coverage for an A7 IMO. Peridon (talk) 20:22, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Edward E. Fitzgerald article

Just wanted to say thanks for looking over this new article.Jacqke (talk) 05:20, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Alexander Macalister Article please

Born Apr. 9, 1844, Dublin]; died 1919, Cambridge. He was educated at Trinity College. He qualified at the Irish Royal Colleges in 1861, became M.B. at Trinity College ten years later and M.D. in 1876. After acting as demonstrator of anatomy at the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland, he was appointed professor of zoology, and eight years later professor of anatomy and chirurgery, at Dublin. In 1883 he succeeded Sir George Murray Humphry in the chair of anatomy at Cambridge, and held this post for thirty-six years. He was a prolific writer. Besides his "Text-book of Human Anatomy"(1889) for which he is best known, he was the author of "Introduction to Animal Morphology"(1876) and "Morphology of Vertebrate Animals" (1878) as well as of numerous papers on animal, morphology, human anatomy and small text-books for students. He was a man of remarkable versatility, being an able mathematician as well as versed in archæology, Egyptology and draughtsmanship. Like his cousin, Sir Donald Macalister, he was a proficient linguist, having knowledge of fourteen languages. He received many honours. In 1881 he was elected, a fellow of the Royal Society. He was made hon. LL.D. of the Universities of Edinburgh, Glasgow and McGill and hon. D.Sc. and senator of the University of Dublin. His name has been attached to the fovea gastrica and the annulus femoralis s. cruralis

On November 4, 1910 the body of King Henry VI in its brick vault in St. George's Chapel, Windsor (since August 12, 1484) was "investigated", with King George V's consent, by William St. John Hope and Canon J.N. Dalton, in the presence of the Dean and Canons, and various other people such as M.R. James, Provost of King's College, Cambridge (and later of Eton College, both founded by Henry VI), and Dr. A. Macalister, Professor of Anatomy at Cambridge. The vault was emptied of rubble, and at the centre was found a small lead chest containing the fragmented bones of "a fairly strong man, aged between 45 and 55", according to Macalister's report, published in The Times on November 12, 1910. [The bones had previously been buried in Chertsey Abbey in 1471 until their removal in 1484.]

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John Joseph Scoles

Yes, its just a slightly modifired version of the [page]. Victorianweb got their text from the same place. Is it OK to remove the MadmanBot template myself or should I leave it to somene else?Ruskinmonkey (talk) 20:03, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

I've done it. Barney the barney barney (talk) 20:00, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Actually I should hace copied it a bit more exactly. He was Joseph John Scoles....Ruskinmonkey (talk) 20:03, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Katherine Low Settlement

I've added a lead section to Katherine Low Settlement. Thank you.

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The Noun Project

Hi Barney, The article was encyclopedia worthy. I wish you had done some research before just adding the deletion tag.

Its the largest open source Library of icons. Its disappointing that sometimes our research before deleting articles is very cursory

http://www.good.is/posts/using-the-noun-project-s-iconic-design-tools-for-social-change http://thenounproject.com/using-symbols/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vibhabamba (talk • contribs) 17:42, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

A2B Internet

On second thoughts, I think you're right: please delete this article. -- Arthur Frayn (talk) 18:43, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

You can go ahead and move Astonish Design to my user space. Thanks for understanding!

-- Brian Boyko (talk) 19:17, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Vampire Weekend

Yes forked it right away. For the best i think.

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RAF Kalyan

Thanks for Reviewing. ( and for the compliment) Trinidade 13:07, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Dear Barney

Hello I'm afraid you left me a note Do not delete or speedy delete as you did to Italian Club if you want to delete Please remove short articles

Yours sincearly

Greg Davidson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg Davidson (talk • contribs) 16:03, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

Thank you G Davidson 17:22, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Parasol (horse)

Thanks for the review, glad you like it. Edwarddutton (talk) 19:58, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Cream Delight

Hello Barney the barney barney, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Cream Delight, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: "very famous" is an assetion of importance. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Ϣere SpielChequers 21:39, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Boom Pictures

How can Boom Pictures be a promotion? Its a well established company run by the former controller of BBC 1. So does that mean that the page for Tesco and Morrisons is also a promotion?

Rhyshuw1 (talk) 21:42, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Declined speedy for Boom Pictures

I declined the speedy for Boom Pictures because it wasn't an overly blatant attempt at promotion. I do have some serious doubts about notability, but I think that it falls short of G11. I think that WP:AfD is probably the best arena for this. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)

Thanks tokyogirl. They are the biggest producer of childrens television in the UK. I'm nothing to do with the company- just want to increase the amount of articles about Welsh companies in general. Have a look at http://www.fflic.com/ it's full of programming. p.s They don't need promotion- especially on sites like this. Rhyshuw1 (talk) 18:24, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Ascension Parish Burial Ground

Barney, you have done a remarkable job on the article - which I will be brining to the collective attention of the Friends of Ascension Parish Burial Ground very shortly; thanks on their behalf! I am particularly impressed with the sheer number of new articles you have created and the wealth of detail in them. My next priority is Find-A-Grave images once all the snow has cleared! Martin 2.27.113.198 (talk) 11:36, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

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RE: Yasmin Bevan

I am well aware of the significance of a damehood. See List_of_Dames_Commander_of_the_Order_of_the_British_Empire and you'll notice that not all Dames have an article about themselves. Now compare the articles of other Dames to the one about Yasmin Bevan and you'll notice that the difference in quality is immediately apparent. In it's current state, the article serves as nothing less than an shameless unsourced/unreferenced list of awards and "affiliations". You might even say that the article fits the criteria "G11. Unambiguous advertising or promotion." for speedy deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.9.50.16 (talk) 18:35, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Again, I am well aware of Who's Who. Unfortunately, Who's Who does not verify that long list of awards and affiliations and I still believe the article currently fits criteria G11. 92.9.50.16 (talk) 18:59, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Yeah that's fair enough, looks like this is one of those let's agree to disagree situations. Also, I'm just being curious here but what exactly do you mean by "it will not be deleted". Are you an admin? Do you know Yasmin Bevan & will keep recreating the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.9.50.16 (talk) 21:38, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

CORRECTIONS TO 'ASCENSION' REFERENCES

Lady Darwin at Find a Grave SHE NEEDS A FIRST NAME? Lady Florence Darwin
Roberto Gerhards at Find a Grave HIS CORRECT SURNAME = GERHARD
Sir Donald MacAlister at Find a Grave CORRECT SURNAME SPELLING = Macalister
Stubbs at Find a Grave HE NEEDS HIS FIRST NAME? Stanley Stubbs

2.30.187.182 (talk) 22:02, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Barney, Thanks for your note. I appreciate it. I'm learning Wikipedia now and will absolutely edit the Frederator Books entry—however, I do think it's very relevant. At this point in history, the business and consumption model for ebooks are completely changing, with more content coming from small start-up publishers originating in other industries than from major publishing houses. I will work that into the entry if you pull the tag and give me another stab at it. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarahcfu (talk • contribs) 15:39, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Potty Training: learning with the animals

Please, use AfD instead to have a discussion. Regards, †@πωεεṝ ♥@me 22:36, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

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Healthy Paws Pet Insurance

Why did you mark Healthy Paws Pet Insurance as unambiguously advertising? It isn't at ALL. I removed the speedy deletion template, by the way. All it says is it won some award. Revolution1221 (talk) 23:03, 31 March 2013 (UTC

Hello, Barney. I just saw the Speedy Deletion alert and I responded to it as you requested. I came here to share the info with you as well. This is what I wrote. Healthy Paws Pet Insurance is a notable company. I provided several links to Pet Insurance sites that acknowledge that it is one of the best insurance companies in the United States. There are similar companies on Wikipedia, for example Petplan USA.

My goal was to create a company page. I dealt very lightly with the services they offer just because I did not want it to be a promotional page, but rather an informational page.

Please reconsider this speedy deletion. The Librarian at Terminus (talk) 23:08, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Union Hand - Roasted Coffee

Hello Barney the barney barney. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Union Hand - Roasted Coffee, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Improvements have been made and it is no longer too spammy. Thank you. SmartSE (talk) 23:11, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Your nomination for speedy deletion of Interlink Publishing

Hello Barney,

Welcome to Wikipedia! I am puzzled by your nomination for deletion of a book publisher. I have commented here:

Talk:Interlink_Publishing

I would appreciate if you could respond to my comments on that page.
It would appear that you spend a great part of your time on Wikipedia nominating pages for deletion. While this is a necessary process in a collaborative project like Wikipedia to remove spurious, abusive and nonsense pages; I would, however, respectfully suggest that it would be more productive to the project overall if you were to invest a larger part of your time improving and enhancing articles, rather than nominating other editors contributions for deletion. This is a community project and constantly taking pot-shots at other editors contributions is not helpful to your own standing within the community.
Enquire (talk) 17:29, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

ASCENSION PARISH BURIAL GROUND

I have brought the much revised article to the attention of the 40-odd Friends; we look forward to your new articles on:

Collier
Farrell
Huddleston
Lock
Lubbock
Pattick
Peck
Roberts
Spufford

Lady Darwin at Find a Grave SHE NEEDS A FIRST NAME? Lady Florence Darwin
Roberto Gerhards at Find a Grave HIS CORRECT SURNAME = GERHARD
Sir Donald MacAlister at Find a Grave CORRECT SURNAME SPELLING = Macalister
Stubbs at Find a Grave HE NEEDS HIS FIRST NAME? Stanley Stubbs

2.30.187.153 (talk) 07:43, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

MATTHEW : a message

"Message Received: Apr 02 2013, 11:38 AM From: "Judy Wilson" To: "Martin Packer" Cc: Subject: Re: Wikipedia article

Thanks Martin and Barney. I'll pass this on to other members of the family. Judy Wilson*, (*nee Matthew.)

ps What about the 'other' Arthur Matthew? From his Find-A-Grave entry =

Birth: Sep. 24, 1850 Cambridge Cambridgeshire, England Death: Jun. 16, 1917 Cambridge Cambridgeshire, England Businessman, local politician and community stalwart; Governing Director of Matthew & Son, founded 1832, highclass grocer and wine merchant of 19-21 Trinity St Cambridge 1889-1917. Founder of Matthew's Oriental Cafe at 14 Trinity St 1896 Councillor and Alderman of Cambridge Town Council Secretary of the Cambridge Horticultural Society committee and active in the Cambridge Bicycle Club and other local charities and churches; Built The Garden House, Mount Pleasant, Cambridge 1897, now Ben'et House.

2.27.112.153 (talk) 19:03, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Mostly lacking sources: No obituary in The Times, not in Who's Who. Not in Alumni Cantabrigienses, (which covers all Cam graduates of this period). I would need an at least an obituary from a local newspaper, but that will involve some serious library work. Maybe your local history library group can help? Barney the barney barney (talk) 19:21, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Barney, I will contact Judy Wilson and see what she can provide to us; you have done a truly remarkable job on the 'Ascension' article - apart from typos. in References! Best, Martin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.188.138 (talk) 06:56, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Will forward you a copy of the local paper obituary 1917 next week!

2.30.195.235 (talk) 17:17, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Your nomination for speedy deletion of Rich Froning Jr.

Hey Barney, I would like to assure you that the article I have posted is still a work in progress, but as you can see if you visit the article (Rich Froning Jr.) it is now much more complete--Luc.bouchard1 (talk) 23:31, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Hi I'm Greg and I will let you know You can order the tea from Asda

Thanks

Greg G Davidson 11:59, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Barney,

Thanks for your note. I just started the article on Xenion Legal. Could you advise how to improve it?

Cheers, EU Lawyer — Preceding unsigned comment added by EUlawyer (talk • contribs) 21:00, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

User:Nthep deleted it. He can undelete and userfy if you want, but you may need to look at WP:COI. Barney the barney barney (talk) 20:32, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

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Sorry I need to show myself Are you barney from pointless celebrites from Helen? G Davidson 08:13, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Vernon Stewart Laurie for deletion

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Final Article

Hi Barney Can you write 1 article about not my mum but about 8th February — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg Davidson (talk • contribs) 18:50, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Katie my friend

If you write an article Do'nt write about your cats

Greg Davidson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg Davidson (talk • contribs) 18:55, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Your reports

Do not send me pictures If you want to send pictures please do it in your sandbox

Greg Davidspn

File:Tabby Cats

1kmpx

I do not have a tabby — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg Davidson (talk • contribs) 19:07, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

I like two our cats

G Davidson 19:13, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

File:Tuxedo Cat

Caption1

Sorry I have got two cats from Stirling

half white

See the equivalent italian page to understatement what is that : http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semestre_bianco — Preceding unsigned comment added by Glbuganz (talk • contribs) 19:03, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Barney I am gathering more references that as you requested, i will get back to you as soon as i can

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HI Barney the Barney Barney, i have received your email I am now updating the rest of information to the article, is there away i can upload a picture or pictures. And i can not figure out why my article is out of the margins when i saved it. Also i have a cover page that includes pictures and a a small paragraph how can i go about to upload that? Thank You for your time and help. CropsInc (talk) 18:02, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Barney I'm not sure what els i need to do, so if you can be more specific and tell me what to do, I'd really appreciate it. Thank you. CropsInc (talk) 18:17, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Barney, Mother Kinney past away in Lake View Terrace California. CropsInc (talk) 18:31, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Barney i Have edited as best as i can , could you let me know if i need to do anything els please. Thank you CropsInc (talk) 19:03, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Im so confused none of edits seem to be working... what exactly do i need to do. i have read the articles you sent me but im just not understanding. CropsInc (talk) 19:23, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

"It does help somewhat if the reasons you nominate for deletion are valid"

That wasn't very nice, nor was it accurate, as I've demonstrated at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mozart_(train). — Preceding unsigned comment added by I'm Tony Ahn (talk • contribs) 16:06, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Barney - My page "The Sticking Point Solution" was tagged for deletion. But as I stated previously I was not finished with the article and I thought I was working within my sandbox and thought I was simply saving the article not publishing it. Can you move what I started to my sandbox without deleting it? -Thanks MP — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mellyp7 (talk • contribs) 19:58, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Try reasoning based on WP policies and not groups

While you nominate for deletion of Sajad H Hamdani at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sajad H Hamdani, instead of solely focusing on Wikipedia policies, you stated "although typical of the vanity gumpf that seems to be written by Indians in Wikipedia". The statement seems to have too much of a racial overtone and POV. I request you to kindly be polite and instead of pointing to a particular racial group, discuss based on Wikipedia policies. You can read the guidelines Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions and Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines to cite in deletion debates. Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 15:09, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Actually I did. There are no racial overtones, just an observation of certain waffly, archaic style of writing. Barney the barney barney (talk) 18:58, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Wilkinsons...the Opticians

How dare you delete my Wilkinsons...the Opticians page. What is wrong with a page on a UK optician chain?? I am so angry. Please restore my page which I spend much time working on. Please also give my your reason for deletion.--Dippoldtheoptician (talk) 15:50, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Wilkinsons...the Opticians 2

I do not work in Wilkinsons...the Opticians or have anything to do with Wilkinsons...the Opticians. I am an 'indpendent source' so you are incorrect in your assumption so I want the page re-instated.Get your facts right and don't jump to conclusions.--Dippoldtheoptician (talk) 08:25, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Re: Speedy tag

You have tagged List of Freemasons/Lede paragraphs for speedy deletion... please note that this is NOT a test. We are in the process of dividing the list into several sub lists (A-D and E-F for the moment... with the strong likelihood that the second grouping will be split into further articles as we add more people). The page has been created so we can transclude the same lede paragraphs into all of these article). Blueboar (talk) 12:47, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Am I doing something wrong? Blueboar (talk) 12:53, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

The article has a very silly name. You can have list of freemasons as a central starting point with list of freemasons - A, etc, but the present title is very silly. Barney the barney barney (talk) 16:56, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

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A kitten for you!

I must not have this cat

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Roger Pope & Partners

"The company became successful" is pure puffery, if not necessarily WP:puffery. If you have a reliable third-party source for the statement, it might not be a WP:OR violation, but it's still puffery. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 19:55, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

The address might be in an infobox, but doesn't belong in the body of the article. And I wish you wouldn't revert my {{cite news}} templates to the raw URL. The "Director" article may not be reliable because, as an interview, it's only quoting the owner, and we would have to check WP:SELFPUB carefully. I'm heading out to lunch, so you can edit without worrying about edit conflicts, but I'd rather you didn't revert my changes without reason. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 19:58, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Refortmatting your talk page

You might consider moving comments from the top of the page to the bottom, per WP:TALK. I don't want to try it, because there's such a long comment in the first section, and I can't tell if it's supposed to be only one section. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 19:51, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

List of public art in Israel/subpages

Please stop tagging these pages for speedy deletion. They're not appropriate as articles, but the solution is fixing them (preferably by moving them to better places), not deleting them. Let me also remind you that you really shouldn't tag something for speedy deletion when an admin (or anyone else acting in good faith) has just declined your previous tag of the same page for the same reason. Nyttend (talk) 20:40, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

The speedy tags were clearly removed without valid reason. Barney the barney barney (talk) 20:41, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Please read the criteria for speedy deletion if you think that any of your tags were appropriate. This is misplaced coding for a template, and none of your tags had anything to do with this. You even tagged it as a "real person, individual animal(s), organization, web content or organized event", which it quite clearly isn't. Nyttend (talk) 20:58, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback. Since it isn't an article, quite clearly the two options were (1) to delete it or (2) to move it somewhere else (userfy it). Instead you do neither and protect the page... Barney the barney barney (talk) 21:02, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm Dewritech. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Community based Crowd-sourcing Translation, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you. Dewritech (talk) 11:18, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Hacking Health

Hello Barney the barney barney. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Hacking Health, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not very spammy. Needs some rewriting and wikifying certainly. Thank you. Ged UK 11:50, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

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RentAGoat

Thanks. I've been struggling to keep the article about the company. I've just once again removed the material that is about the concept - we already have an article on it in any case at Conservation grazing. And replaced the COI template that was removed with a completely misleading edit summary. There's an SPI on the article creator. Dougweller (talk) 14:13, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your help editing barney. They were undone because dougweller keeps intentionally blanking the content and your edits and efforts are included in that. I've warned dougweller multiple times about intentional blanking but he has persisted. There need not be an SPI on me, as all the content that I created dougweller has blanked twice and is no longer present. For some reason he continues to blank the content and make rash accusations.

do you think all of the pictures are not relevant? two of them I uploaded and are about the service.

75.189.213.7 (talk) 15:40, 28 April 2013 (UTC)mjrichmo

Actually, I think you need the warnings. Barney the barney barney (talk) 15:43, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Can you maturely respond to the questions I posed? Two of the pictures I uploaded and I know are relevant to the concept. Mjrichmo (talk) 16:07, 28 April 2013 (UTC)mjrichmo

Whoa there! I'm in Charge of the TCDSB/TDSB sections.

Calm down dude. Hate to be rude in all but why you tried to delete the pages. I'm in the process of getting photos of the schools over the next few days in all.

Since I got the Secondary schools in charge, there just only elementary schools in the highest scope. Perhaps User:Theo's Little Bot will take the charge. If not kept (nor deleted), some schools will merge into the Toronto neighbourhood pages like Bendale, Woburn, Alderwood, etc... FreshCorp619 (talk) 16:05, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!

Barney my man, ALL primary schools must stay in their respective neighbourhood pages (take a look at Mimico for example) Peace. FreshCorp619 (talk) 18:46, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Choose New Jersey

Hi Barney, It seems that Choose New Jersey's Wiki page was deleted. Can you tell me why this was done in particular? Thanks. Choosenj (talk) 20:31, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

John Bielenberg

Thanks for your note. Whats a good way to get some collaboration help from other editors? Vibhabamba (talk) 22:54, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Choose New Jersey

Hi Barney, Thanks for your feedback. Choose New Jersey is a notable organization that works closely with NJ's economic development agency. It's the first Wikipedia article I've posted and I'm not actually from Choose NJ but thought the username would be appropriate given the article I was posting, and I was unaware of that specific rule with the usernames. Could you elaborate on the overpromotional language in the article? This will help a lot! Thanks, again. Choosenj (talk) 16:11, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello, My name is Vimmy, I am part of Psychology I/O, Spring, 2013 provided by York College taught by my professor, Dr. Ashton. As a part of our class assignment we are required to make small edit on a Wikipedia article that strikes our interest, as well as things we think needed to be added to the article.Vimmy Vimmy (talk) 17:59, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

please do not mark my page as deleted it is a real page and there is a real reason for it sonic is dead because sega is looking for a mascot please do not delete it thank you --Robertbobbyhill (talk) 19:40, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Robert Thomson Leiper

Thank you for reviewing my latest new page, Robert Thomson Leiper, and for your kind words. I was a support trainer on a Wikimedia training day earlier this week for the Malaria Atlas Project, and it has inspired a new interest in parasitologists. Edwardx (talk) 10:38, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Island Independents

Hi there. Just to let you know, I've added a response to your nomination of this article for speedy deletion on the article's talk page. Thanks. Redverton (talk) 17:31, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi again. I see you have prodded the article now for deletion. Whilst I think it would have been more considerate if you'd allowed me the couple of days I said I intended to get this article more developed, that's your right. However, I am confused by what you mean by 'which is a possible redirect' - redirect from where to where? Look forward to your reply. Redverton (talk) 17:54, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

I saw the additional note you left on my talk page. Sorry if you were intending to say anything else in response to my query above, but in case that note was all of it, just again asking what you're referring to by this redirect - I certainly hope not the county council election, because it's well established every individual county council election is notable in of itself for its own article. Redverton (talk) 17:59, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

I thought that was what you were getting at. Well, at least I do have a couple days whatever else to try and get the article up to scratch. If I can't, I'll delete it myself. Otherwise, well, we'll cross that bridge if we come to it. P.S. Trivia: the election on the IoW was to a unitary authority, not a county council - I say that if only because I just made that mistake above. :P Redverton (talk) 18:09, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Writopia Lab

I don't think closing 8 days after the AfD is premature :) In any case, while only User:czar chimed in on the AfD, his rationale was valid and I have a hard time believing that there would have been other arguments against its notability which trumped the one he made. L Faraone 14:59, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

If you think that, then vote, but don't unilaterally close a discussion on that basis, IRWolfie- (talk) 20:29, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

That wasn't "advice to you". Yes, I understood your original message, and responded to it with essentially "No, I don't think it was in error". L Faraone 19:43, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Writopia Lab question

Hi there--Thank you for your time on the Writopia Lab page. I see that you contend that Writopia Lab is not notable in the context of Wikipedia. I am trying to learn and understand everything I can about Wikipedia lately. Are you able to tell me a few details that distinguish a nonprofit as notable in this context? I completely understand if we are not there yet. I thought we were, but... Thank you for your help. --RebeccaWS (I can't log in for some reason) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.243.166 (talk) 03:07, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

The Broken Oath

The film's believed to be the first one in which an actress received billing. All theatrical movies, however, especially very early ones, possess ample importance regarding Wikipedia by dint of their existence, of course. Cinerama Comment (talk) 15:46, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

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In regards to speedy deletion of "List of former Presidential Candidates."

What is the reasoning to this? - Billybob2002 (talk) 22:56, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

More The Broken Oath

I believe you, but you basically need to add where this claim is made in a scholarly paper or book. Barney the barney barney (talk) 18:23, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

I haven't the foggiest. Saw it in another youtube article, but since it's not germane to keeping the article in Wikipedia as it stands, it's unnecessary, of course. You understand that there's no burden of proof for an article about a film that was exhibited theatrically, just the fact that it was a commercial film is reason enough in itself for there to be an article in Wikipedia. Cinerama Comment (talk) 02:53, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Mark Wilkinson (rugby player)‎

That was a pretty damn quick review! I could swear this article used to be here, but it seems to have disappeared... and all mention of him removed from Jonny's article, weird. At least that's fixed now. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 08:58, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Kinsella family

I reverted the line you wrote in Douglas Kinsella about Dr. Kinsella's family for three reasons. The main one was the use of Mrs. Kinsella's maiden name. That may be a privacy issue for the sons, as in Canada a mother's maiden name is often used as a security question by banks and others with secure web sites. The second reason is that I wasn't sure what the style was for Mrs. Kinsella, as her name seemed scrambled, and the line didn't actually say they were married. Third, the punctuation was a mess. You may want to ask around about the mother's maiden name issue and write the sentence more carefully, with proper punctuation, and if, in fact, Dr. Kinsella and Lorna were married, do say so.Spoonkymonkey (talk) 17:19, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Please don't remove valid material. The content (and punctuation) was fine. Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:32, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

No it wasn't. You had a woman's name. Is that his wife? Were they married? And you don't know how to use a colon and semicolon. You don't start a list with a semicolon. I've fixed it, assuming Douglas and Lorna Kinsella were married -- a little fact that you didn't bother to address at all.Spoonkymonkey (talk) 17:58, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Canadian Sponsorship Forum

Hi Barney, I added a reference and was wondering if this is how it is suppose to be? I just don't want the page to be deleted. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tamara.alcorn13 (talk • contribs) 22:17, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

ECVO

Category:ECVO This page should not be speedily deleted because... (The site "ECVO" should be deleted or renamed to European College of Veterinary Ophthalmologists (ECVO). These two sites are the same. Furthermore this site is not a promotional site. ECVO is a non-profit-organization college for veterinariens. We in Europe we want the same presence in Wiki like our american colleagues --> American College of Surgeons; Necessary action from my point of view: replace site "ecvo" with the "European College of Veterinary Ophthalmologists (ECVO)"; many thx in advance :) --MarionFlorin (talk) 09:49, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Harmonic pedal

I added the answer about your request for speed deletion. Talk:Harmonic pedal wku2m5rr (talk) 11:14, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

"Nonsense" tagging

Please be careful about tagging articles as {{db-nonsense}}. WP:CSD#G1 is quite narrowly defined, more narrowly than the normal English sense of the word "nonsense", and the definition specifically excludes "poor writing, partisan screeds, obscene remarks, implausible theories, vandalism and hoaxes, fictional material, coherent non-English material, and poorly translated material." It is intended only for the likes of "'&qx##!?gi*df%" or "Yaaayyyy LOL!!!!!" Tagging reports of someone's speeches as nonsense is likely to cause unnecessary offence. In fact, material like that is almost always speediable as copyvio, and feeding a sentence or two into Google will find the source. JohnCD (talk) 11:14, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

European_College_of_Veterinary_Ophthalmologists_(ECVO)

This page should not be speedily deleted because...

Hy Barny, sorry but I don`t understand, why you mark this page as a promotional page. ECVO is an veterinary eduacational college in Europe. This article explains how this body works. This is not a promotional site for selling stuff! Please tell me, where I have a Wikipedia:COI?

thx :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarionFlorin (talk • contribs) 17:40, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

MarionFlorin Hi Barny, sounds not really serious for me. If someone else creates the page than it seems to be ok. But if I have no chance to do this than it should be so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarionFlorin (talk • contribs) 17:57, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Energetically Modified Cement

The person who nominated the article for deletion withdrew the nomination and therefore the discussion is closed according to wiki policy.

Since then, the page has been awarded a barnstar.

I have removed your sticker from the page and also that of Vladimir Ronin. Please do not take any further steps without discussing first.

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You have stated: "Just to clarify, I nominated it for deletion, and I haven;t withdrawn the nomination. A bot will put any AFD tags you remove back, so you do need to follow instructions. Barney the barney barney (talk) 18:13, 12 May 2013 (UTC)"

The article has been accepted - by users much more credible than you. You have no basis for your conduct. Your entries are removed from my talk page. Do not post any more entries on my talk page. I do not want to discuss this with you.

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The Edwards brothers, Fisher, and Hogben

Hello, Barney the barney barney. There is a response from me, below the message you left in the "The Edwards brothers, Fisher, and Hogben" section of my talk page. --Jerzy•t 03:09, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to delay discussion; i understand better & think we are probably close to agreement. I have a draft response from several days ago, probably stating it well (but waiting for a re-read, now that the week's medical issues are resolved), and probably will vet & send in 24-48 hours. Tnx.
--Jerzy•t 02:18, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Whoops, i seem to have lost my draft in a reboot; sloppy procedure. But a rewrite should still be feasible this evening. I'll drop you a notice.
--Jerzy•t 00:23, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

OK, User talk:Jerzy#The Edwards brothers, Fisher, and Hogben updated for your attn.
--Jerzy•t 03:54, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Requesting technical moves

Hi Barney, I've carried out the move of Max Jones you requested. In the future, please use the {{subst:RMassist|old page name, without brackets|requested name, without brackets|reason for move}} template at WP:RM/TR to make those requests. It makes the actual move a bit easier. Thanks, BDD (talk) 23:59, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

John Scott (botanist)

Dear user:

I have posted a discussion on the talk page of the page you created, that seems not capable of being justified as an article upon strict interpretation of Wikipedia policy - for the reasons set out there.

As this page demonstrates, you seem very able at nominating articles for deletion - yet whether your effort passes first muster is debatable to say the least. But I am prepared to discuss it with you on the article's talk page with you first, as courtesy is important. I would not dream of rushing to nominate such an insignificant entry for deletion without having the courtesy to discuss with you first. I do believe candor and civility are important and trust you do too.

I trust this meets with your approval.

Jono2013 (talk) 01:38, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Eric Forbes Adam

Stripping out all of the guff about an inconsequential inter varsity cricket match, the remainder of the content is minimal and at best a stub. Or so it seems.

With the foregoing in mind, I have placed the appropriate comment on the article's talk page. Let's discuss first, before determining your motivation and whether this article is a genuine article - or at best a stub. Even the seemingly most inconsequential articles should be given the opportunity for discussion first, I am sure you will agree.

I know nothing about the subject and have no interest in it, but nevertheless, this seems a very generalist subject which anyone can write and therefore comment about, Im sure you'll agree.

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Whats wrong with my articlesWeareunited878 (talk) 20:13, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Barney, the Wycombe Boys AFC is actually not a fake [1], but as I've now explained to Weareunited878, youth sports teams are considered insignificant and may be speedied as well. De728631 (talk) 21:36, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Kenneth Blaxter for deletion

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I believe dab pages with only red links are against policy. If you were going to create both pages, please say so. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 17:27, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, never mind, I should have more patience. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 17:35, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

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Did you actually read the article or its references? Barney the barney barney (talk) 18:19, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

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Flying Donut

The Flying Donut page is a new project management tool that could and should be linked from the scrum page. I think it is important for people searching for such tools that all available info would be provided to them? If we provide a link from a blog that mention Flying Donut are we ok then with the page? I see. It will take a little time to dig up those things. How should we proceed?

Ok I moved the content of the page to the location you specified. You may delete the page. Thanks

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Dolphin Embassy

Dear Barney, I've rote my cases in the Contested deletion about the Dolphin Embassy article and after I found that the article is allready deleted - how it's possible?

Regards Soderjanie Pustoti (talk) 22:21, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Barney could you give me more time in working on Catholic Academy for Communication Arts Professionals I am in a early stage of research. Cu835 (talk) 12:17, 13 May 2013 (UTC)Cu835

The TrojanOne website is not my own. I got the information from there but I don't own the content at all. I added the website because it is the presenting partner for the CSF. I have added another source that is not a website owned by the company. If you could let me know if this works that would be much appreciated- Tamara.alcorn13

Barney could you let me know if the reference I have posted on the Canadian Sponsorship Forum works as a third party source? I am confused about how to make these. Thanks- Tamara.alcorn13

Barney, I am in the process of trying to create a page for the Canadian Sponsorship Forum that is coming up in May so that people have the ability to know more about it. I was just wondering why this page is being discussed for deletion? Is there something I should change? I am a little confused since I only have a few sentences on the page so far. -Tamara.alcorn13

ust delete it, please! don't answer back. TheProphetTimes — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheProphetTimes (talk • contribs) 01:03, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Barney, won't make that mistake again! How would the page go about being removed, as I have not yet discovered a way to remove it! Help please! Anonylad (talk) 12:48, 6 May 2013 (UTC) Also, if you could make that deletion as 'speedy' as possible, the page screwed up when I was proof-reading my edit, and therefore 80% of the information I had included was subsequesntly deleted. Thanks again, Anonylad (talk) 12:52, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

just forget it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheProphetTimes (talk • contribs) 22:26, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

You know what? I don't care if you take it down! I tried asking nicely, but you won't budge. You can do whatever you want. Just, WHY?! No thanks, TheProphetTimes — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheProphetTimes (talk • contribs) 21:55, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Barney, I'd like to know why you're trying to get rid of my page, My Stadium Electric. I put it up so people could edit it in future times, and because it was red Erin McCarley's article, please don't take it down. Leave a message on my talk page. Thanks, TheProphetTimes — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheProphetTimes (talk • contribs) 21:26, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Barney, please let me know the part which looks like advertising. I am still working on the article and it may require efforts from others also to complete this article. I just found this entity not in Wiki and thought of wriitng about it. It is from a very neutral stand point, covering the things carried in media — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akash.rc (talk • contribs) 14:59, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Barney, I've worked with +Huon from the wiki forums on IRC to clean up the page. Thanks, Don — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dodilp (talk • contribs) 22:38, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Barney, I recently added a new page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gridcentric,_Inc. and would like your suggestions on how I should clean it up to meet the requirements. My understanding is that I have linked to third party resources whenever appropriate. Thanks, Don — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dodilp (talk • contribs) 20:00, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Barney, in terms of adding a new page for a Church building, does the Church building have to be Grade II listed to warrant a WIKI entry? Surprised by the quick vote for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjdean (talk • contribs) 21:59, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello Barny, I was creating a page for the new VEX Toss Up competition and it said that I had incurred an editing error due to your aditional presence in the editing. I would like to know why it is you are also editing the page and I request that you would please refrain from dammaging the page as I continue to research and edit the page. Thank-you. -- Sordsmin4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sordsmin4 (talk • contribs) 19:41, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again Barney, I didnt know about the spanish references. I add a lot more just now. Please let me know if that is ok now. thanks --Agusotoholt (talk) 18:21, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Barney At my previous description link about "WhosCall" in Chinese edition, I have already show you the original link have reliable substantive a 3rd party like the below:

{{Page Review site |url=http://www.appbrain.com/app/whoscall-block-calls-texts/gogolook.callgogolook2}}
{{Newspaper | url=http://www.appledaily.com.tw/appledaily/article/headline/20130117/34775379/}}
{{TV station |url=http://www.nexttv.com.tw/news/realtime/social/10229290/%E8%A9%90%E9%A8%99%E9%9B%86%E5%9C%98%E6%96%B0%E5%89%8B%E6%98%9F%E3%80%80APP%E8%87%AA%E5%8B%95%E9%85%8D%E5%B0%8D%E6%8F%AD%E9%A8%99%E5%B1%80}}
{{2nd TV station | url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K73970g3uRE}}
{{opening contest |url=http://www.app01.com.tw/forum_post_pro_view.php?no=65220}}

The links above include 2 TV stations ,2 magazines ,opening contest . So , I thought it has the reliable substantive , 3rd party coverage to indicate both notability and accuracy.Hope u understand. Sorry for the yesterday i didn't finished it at all just like the Chinese edition :http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WhosCall If it was appropriate.I will note it on "WhosCall" English edition. Anyway if there have any problem or question , Please remind me.

Thank you Hugo Lin

I think the page I created is important enough because they have so much $wagg. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Staydenchorgetfrimponged (talk • contribs) 20:03, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Barney: Thank you for u remind me about this thing , but I still working on it. I didn't finish it at all. I AM still typing the remaining . I want translate this original wiki http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/WhosCall to English part. Beacuse there are some English-language customer want to understand. And the information of this APP had been widely reported in the link.In some kind of sense. It maybe worth to be put in the wikipedia which just like the link It seems that there are something different operating codes between http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page & http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page. i was typing Besides , I meet some question and try to understandd why the format can't show on. Why the icon can't be show?

I wasn't very familiar with the operating here . If something i doing wrong , please tell me then i will fix it ASAP. By the way , I will reply message in the morning in my timezone. Thank you for your help --Hugo Lin —Preceding undated comment added 19:42, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again Barney, I didnt know about the spanish references. I add a lot more just now. Please let me know if that is ok now.

thanks --Agusotoholt (talk) 17:45, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Barney, Santiago Vecino is an artist from Uruguay, who recently worked on a hollywood movie (EVIL DEAD 2013) and he is listed and quoted in the Internet Movie Database. So.....dont you think he deserves to be on wikipedia? regards, --Agusotoholt (talk) 17:17, 22 April 2013 (UTC)Agusotoholt

Barney, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agusotoholt (talk • contribs) 17:12, 22 April 2013 (UTC) I put up my page "The Arcade Addict" because I am popular on YouTube and I want people to know who I am. Please don't tag my page for deletion. I worked hard on it! -ArcadeAddict11 — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArcadeAddict11 (talk • contribs) 19:45, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Barney, It looks like you are digging into a lot of pages which have been hard worked on by many wikicontributors. Please refrain! Anonylad (talk) 12:40, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Barney, Could I know as to why you keep removing my page on aluminium granules? I need a little time to copmlete it. Regards Abhay

Hi Barney, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhaynarvekar (talk • contribs) 13:43, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm puzzled by your deletion of my article on Xenion Legal. I've tried to explain the reasons why on the contest page but you have deleted nonetheless. I built the article based on another entry on "Lawyers on demand" which is written in a similar tone and style. Can you please explain to me why you regard my entry as promotional, whereas the other one seems to be ok?

Many thanks, EU lawyer — Preceding unsigned comment added by EUlawyer (talk • contribs) 16:27, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

References now added.

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I see you've started discussing this on the talk page, good. Barney the barney barney (talk) 21:46, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Barney. You may be interested in this. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 10:27, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

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IBA

A7 was a safe one for that, IMO. I couldn't even get all the teams in one decent ghit. Peridon (talk) 12:31, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Hermann Settegast

Hello Barney the barney barney,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Hermann Settegast for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Sulfurboy (talk) 21:35, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. That's really helpful. I can't think why he has articles in the Russian Wikipedia (since 2005), German Wikipedia (since 2007), the Swedish Wikipedia (since 2010). Barney the barney barney (talk) 21:42, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

speedydel_wiki.citing

full consent, can be deleted. the page which you have given is somewhat complicated, so i left my stuff in the see-aslo section. the path from main_page to that page is mainpage/communityportal/quickdirectory/editing. One could call it 'hidden'. This one

is all one needs, could someone add it to the main_page ? --Ossip Groth (talk) 14:23, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

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Good morning-

The Delta Dental of New Jersey article that I submitted has been marked for deletion. I'm happy to edit it to ensure it follows the guidelines, but some further insight from you would definitely help, as the reasons cited all reference using reliable third party sources, which I have done throughout the article. Every bit of information included in the article is historically factual so I'm having a hard time figuring out which parts you feel have been presented as an advertisement. This has been a long process and I'm eager to finish it up so any feedback would be much appreciated. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sgwwiki (talk • contribs) 13:49, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Delville wood OOB

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We both had the same thought here; I just made the redirect more specific. Theopolisme (talk) 17:39, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Trent Valley Way

Hi Thanks for reviewing the Trent Valley Way article, but am not sure what was meant by the enigmatic code on my talk page. My response being {{{?}}} Jokulhlaup (talk) 17:27, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Talk:The Dam Busters (film)

Your revert was unwarranted, as the IP was making a legitimate point about issues relating to the film, the book it is based upon, and the real events the book is about. Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to label something as "racist nonsense"? Nick Cooper (talk) 21:43, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Because it's (a) factually incorrect and (b) obvious trolling. Barney the barney barney (talk) 21:44, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

No, you're simply wrong. The 1952 Ballantine books edition changed the name for the US market. Fact. Nick Cooper (talk) 22:00, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

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Speedy Deletion

Hi Barney,

Thank you so much for your quick response.

I am trying to edit it. However, when I click on edit it doesn't seems like it allows me to do so.

Can you tell me how?

Thank you so much!

John Smith (talk)

Hi Barney,

Can you help me edit the article that I created on LingPerfect Translation to make it not seem promotional? I am a English major and wanted to try writing article on Wikipedia. However, I think I am not very familiar with Wikipedia's policy. Is there a way that I can edit it right now? Or is it taken down already?

Best, John Smith

Hi,

You just messaged me about my page Sorry, I've only just joined Wikipedia, wrote the first line and saved it. I'm still learning about how to correctly format these things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PhilHumphreys (talk • contribs) 16:24, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

NLR article

I wanted to know if you could help me with some of the citations.
I do have sources for all of my information it is just I am new with the Wiki format and this is the first time I have published an article online.
Would you be able to help, how do I put a source in, and how would I get a page about a legitimate organization published?
Thanks
— Preceding unsigned comment added by JackMack67 (talk • contribs) 10:37, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

First things first; admit your use of [[WP:QUACK|quacking] sockpuppets and apologise. Otherwise there's not much point in talking to you. Barney the barney barney (talk) 10:40, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry about the so called sock puppets, it is actually two of my family members who live with me who were eager to help me with my article, I am sorry if you are offended that people other than myself hold a similar view on this topic, I should have just told them to stay out of it. I assume a sock puppet is a fake profile or something (correct me if I am wrong, I have not heard this terminology before). Also I am not Jacqueline Mackenzie, I am not even part of the organization, I had to do an essay at my university to show that I knew about clubs and social networks in the area and I chose this because it was interesting and a bit different. Please help me so I can publish this article, I have spent a great deal of time gathering the information, I just fell down because this is the first time I have ever published anything on Wikipedia. Thanks JackMack67 (talk) 13:51, 13 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.148.186.49 (talk) 11:45, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Barney I re did all of my citations in the NLR article, could you please tell me if they are adequate, it makes it a bit clearer, any other advice would be useful thank you. JackMack67 (talk) 13:51, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

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Flying Donut Page

Hi Barney, the page was created with external links to the Flying Donut from OpenCoffee where the Flying Donut was invited to give a speach. OpenCofee is one of the biggest events in greece about tech startups. I think the page should be allowed since Flying Donut has started to get the attention of the agile scrum community and is about a good software product. The article it self is created with a very neutrual tone that does not indicate any kind of preference of the author.

Ok I will provide more links to the product. Before putting them on the page should I contatct you directly asking you to take a look at a page in my namespace to avoid another rejection?

Regards

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German Pellets

Dear Barney, I have created a page for German Pellets that were marked today for speedy deletion by you. I am wondering what I can do to make it suitable for Wikipedia? It is not intended for promotional or advertising and fact based. I can edit the page and try to make it informative, but remove what you feel is promotional and any suggestions are welcome. Thanks :) MWolli (talk) 11:27, 2 September 2013 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by MWolli (talk • contribs) 11:22, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

References

Category:University and college rankings

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Thanks for the Notification

Dear Barney, Earlier I created a page for MarkMeets that has been marked for speedy deletion. I can assure you it was not intended for promotional and was only to illustare a quick over-view of the UK entertainment site (as I noticed there are sources/links to the site already on WIkipedia).

Please do edit the page to meet wiki's requirements. Thanks IanYoung2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by IanYoung2013 (talk • contribs) 17:55, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

hi. i will delete my page if you are happy to write an article for ashley purdy of black veil brides.

Thanks for the Notification

Hi, Barney the barney barney. Thank you for the notification about the deletion discussion. I'll be sure to contribute to the conversation soon. Jcmeberhard (talk) 20:25, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

I appreciate the thoughts and advice. I'm not a physician, but I study medical sociology and do qualitative research about medical writing and research. Amit Mahipal would be considered a public LP, in that he is well known in the medical community for his articles which have changed standard of care specifically regarding lymph node dissection. I did not do a very good job emphasizing this fact in the article though, and I can see how his notability would be in question. I'm working on gathering better sources to demonstrate the impact his work has had on daily medical practice, etc. I know a lot of doctors and med students, and I'm trying to only include information which that audience would find useful when they do encyclopedic searches on particular topics and people. However, this is of course a skill I will need to continue to hone. Meanwhile, it's good to know that Wikipedia needs more articles on medical notable persons. Maybe that's something I can tackle in the future. Right now, I'm really focusing on Oncology and EBM, since it syncs well with my own work right now, and is helping me organize my research.

Again, I really appreciate your criticism and feedback. It's helpful to know where I need to improve my writing for the good of the community. And, it was kind of you contacted me individually. Hopefully we can continue the discussion on the deletion page. 72.184.134.22 (talk) 14:06, 7 August 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.184.134.22 (talk)

Hi Barney. I just added my contribution to the deletion discussion; I hope you will look over the comments and article revisions and respond with your thoughts. Thanks, Jcmeberhard (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:14, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Silver Retreats

Dear Barney, I have created a page for Silver Retreats that were marked today for speedy deletion by you. I am wondering what I can do to make it suitable for Wikipedia. It is not intended for promotional or advertising and fact based. I can edit the page and try to make it informative, but remove what you feel is promotional and any suggestions are welcome. Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billschuffenhauer (talk • contribs) 00:57, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Fryer Brother murder case

My page was very well sourced and truthful. No one was disparaged. I use Wikipedia pages for a class I teach involving local history. This case occurred in my part of the country, and I would like the information available to my students, as well as other readers. The perpetrators are currently serving life sentences, and have been since 1974. Ray Lowry 14:23, 5 August 2013 (UTC) Ray Lowry

Not advertising...

Hello, I'm carlosTHEcreator and I came to let you know that it is not for advertising, I just decided to make it because it has a significant amount of importance on the internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CarlosTHEcreator (talk • contribs) 20:02, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Presidents

Hi Barney, Going through your contribution it seems that you are lately creating articles on the presidents of royal statistical society. You might then want to use the template {{Royal Statistical Society presidents}}. Cheers. The Legend of Zorro 10:29, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

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Hi,Barney.I have different opinions with Dylkon on the article CIE 1931 Color Space,and we changed another one's editing for a few times.Can you find some one to help us?Physicsxuxiao (talk) 15:16, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Fixing J. Anthony Movshon now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmdevitt (talk • contribs) 17:46, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

List of Fellows of the Royal Society elected in 2001

Why have you included in the Foreign Members section a list of names of people who are all normal Fellows and not "Foreign Members"? Being born abroad does not make you a Foreign Member if the birthplace is within the British Commonwealth (eg Canada). Foreign Members are normally Americans or Europeans.

Conversely, Alexei Alekseyevich Abrikosov IS a Foreign Member but is listed under Fellows. Now I'm totally confused.

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You may go ahead and remove that page. I don't want anything to do with it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plong26 (talk • contribs) 19:00, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: OMICS Group Conferences

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Reason for nominating OMICS Group Conference Wikipedia page for deletion

Can you let me know the specific reason for nominating the OMICS Group Conference Wikipedia page for deletion. It had genuine and relevant links and supporting information. Jackysea (talk) 18:38, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

It was WP:SPAM, and you're about to get blocked for sockpuppetry per WP:QUACK. Barney the barney barney (talk) 18:44, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

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NAFOD

Hi Barney, I've opened the talk page on the NAFOD article to discuss it. Thanks.--FergusM1970^{Let's play Freckles} 23:21, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Why are you attempting to vandalize a page that follows the same protocal as other pages

This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) --Daviddonihue (talk) 23:54, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Barney, the page does not promote. It lists off the services in the same way that any other websites information page does as well as site the references. Your vandalism will not be tolerated. What is your issue? Also, I don't appreciate being shown nudity when going to your user page. I should not have to look at nudity just to respond to your malicious attacks.

Please provide 3rd party references like anyone else (from Google and Amazon downwards). Meanwhile, it smells strongly of WP:SPAM. Also WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS is not usually a good argument. Nudity my arse. Barney the barney barney (talk) 23:59, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry my mistake. Promotion is now officially allowed. Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:22, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

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I've tagged it for CSD A7.--Forward Unto Dawn 13:52, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

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Platform No. 1 speedy deletion nomination

FYI, I have declined the speedy deletion you requested for Platform No. 1 and have initiated a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Platform No. 1 (2nd nomination) instead. --RL0919 (talk) 18:13, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

NAFOD

Hi Barney, I've added a reference to a US Navy briefing slide on fear of flying that mentions NAFOD. Does that help?--FergusM1970^{Let's play Freckles} 22:13, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Barney the barney barney. :) In regards to NAFOD, I'll probably end up sending it to AfD if someone else doesn't, but I'll give it a bit of time to see if anything solid eventuates. - Bilby (talk) 17:09, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Dear Barney, I have created a page for Mr. Boris Tatievski that were marked today for speedy deletion by you. I would like to make it suitable for Wikipedia. The content contains the references which were proofed. I am trying to make the page as informative as possible and any suggestions are welcome. Thanks, Suchanek1974 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suchanek1974 (talk • contribs) 12:36, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Boris Tatievski

Just a head's up, I have declined your CSD A7 nomination as the subject has some coverage in possibly reliable sources such as this Motor India reference. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 14:54, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Public Art/NYC

Please wait to speedily delete this article. I am in the process of expanding and editing it!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by OR drohowa (talk • contribs) 13:27, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Rozzi Crane

Hello.

I was given this article by Rozzi Crane herself to add to WIkipedia.

Why are you deleting a page that I created when I mentioned that I worked for her management company?

Please stop the deletion process.

Thanks Barney — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.196.12.18 (talk) 16:32, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

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Sheldrake

I agree; the original intro I wrote had "recognized as pseudoscience". The issue is whether the references support it. Maddox and Sharma call it pseudoscience directly; Rose says "characteristics of pseudoscience"; Alcock is calling parapsychology pseudoscience; and I don't have the text to L'Imposture scientifique en dix leçons (no google preview). Vzaak (talk) 06:37, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

FYI. Vzaak (talk) 14:49, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

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I've got your message. But I really don't understand why did you flag my article. It's not the first time we try to do it, but each time moderators delete our articles. Meanwhile our competitors have their pages on Wikipedia with the same content and without any restrictions. What is the criteria? We tried to make our page similar to these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issuu , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uberflip . What is our fault? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrey Zhitenev (talk • contribs) 13:02, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

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Hello,

I most certainly did not make Benjanië up in my lunchbreak! I do understand the reasons for why it should not be on Wikipedia, though, thanks to your links. Benjanië is real, but I guess Wikipedia is not yet ready for it. Thank you for your advice! — Preceding unsigned comment added by RidderterGeit (talk • contribs) 14:01, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of DePaul Catholic High School Field

Hello NYCWikiKid,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged DePaul Catholic High School Field for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Barney the barney barney (talk) 19:25, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Barney! Thanks for contacting me. I appreciate that. I was reading through the tag, and responded to the matter there. Basically, the article is of importance because it acknowledges a venue that has clear association with a professional team that plays in the second division league of Women's US Soccer. The facility has held important conference matches for the league, and has been in use by the team for more than four years. This in itself is an account and merit for awareness. Also, with view towards the term "encyclopedia", a conventional, tangible twenty to fifty book collection is selective with information due to the limitation it can provide. Wikipedia surpasses all molds of what an encyclopedia was constrained to - space. Wiki is the World's encyclopedia, and in it the range of human knowledge that can be written is boundless, as long as the information is presented in a descriptive and substantiated form. I totally am on board to help out. If you feel that we can work on some pages together, let me know. Cheers NYCWikiKid (talk) 20:54, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

stupid.

you deleting my page was so stupid and telling me it was vandalism? it was not vandalism CLEARLY. it was so stuipd so if you could like leave my stuff alone that'd be great. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joodiixo (talk • contribs) 12:31, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, clearly not vandalism. Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:20, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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1- Firstly it was the Admin of Ahmed Romado's Media with you not Ahmed Romado him self .. but now its me Ahmed Romado him self talking you.

2- i wanted to talk you Respectfully but seems you dont deserve it and you know why. 3- i dont have to prove you that Ahmed Romado is profasional footballer or not , you prove me that is not a profasional Footballer. 4- and about the silliness, your website is not Encyclopedia seccessfully and not free either , because every weaker and lower website respect it usersrs, and you unlike that Insult simply, so this is a silliness. 5- i dont know who you are and from which Dustbin but enuagh me that wikipedia include unkindly peoples like you, and i will expose you surely. Ahmed Romado 14:15, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

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Kindly do not make comments , Doing so will get you blocked. Thanks, Insulam Simia (talk) 14:25, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

So very funny *** you think i will pray you after all your insult ? Even i wanted to copy and past here your insulty messege that bareny barney sent to me as privet but your stuped dictunary selected your insulty words and said me : you are using bad words ..

as i said : i will expose your webiste in our Universal Festival in London next week. Ahmed Romado 14:51, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

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John S Harrison

Hi Barney, You want to delete John S Harrison for there being no reference. In Wiki's Leith Athletic fc history there is a picture of the 1936 Leith Athletic fc team. The picture shows my Dad John S Harrison (standing at the goalkeeper's left) who was Captain of the team as well as Chris Duffy of Charlton Athletic fame for scoring the winning goal in overtime in the 1947 FA Cup Final. Andrew Miekelham, Dave Barker, and Andy Fortune. Just what kind of reference do you need. I was 6 yrs old at that time and I personally met these people (Footballers).Cec Harrison (talk) 18:13, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Please stop adding BLPPRODs to this article, it is not eligible as it does not concern a living person. Giant Snowman 15:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

It is not a BLP; you did check that before editing, right, per WP:BEFORE? If you continue to mis-use the page curation tools and re-add BLPPRODs to articles which are not eligible then that right will be taken away from you. Giant Snowman 15:37, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your information. However, I believe I am implemeting policy directly. It is a potential BLP and has been listed as such at WP:BLP/N. Barney the barney barney (talk) 19:12, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Andrew Meikleham for deletion

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Not my article. Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:20, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

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Not my article. Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:19, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

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I am trying to do "barcelona rentals vacation" but you didn't give no even a few minutes to edit and completed. It seems like you was waiting for me to spend hours on the work to then delete it!. This is my first article and I was trying to do my best, but again, you didn't let me do it. You know life is too short to spend hours trying to do something nice and a malicious person came after and remove everything. sorry if it seems like an advertisement I was trying my best and I can still perfect it to wikipedia policies but you didn't give me the chance. god help you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frante Camar (talk • contribs) 15:37, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

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Yes, alright. I can read your talk page. Barney the barney barney (talk) 19:06, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

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Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Amit Naik

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Thanks for the Notification

Hello Barney, This is not a promotional topic. I am just writing about one of the first ecommerce shop in Manipur. More contents will be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Williamgurumayum (talk • contribs) 08:41, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mokenge P. Malafa (2nd nomination)

I gave the proper reasons. If you had just expanded the rationale when asked, it would have been easier to remove this very dubious article. DGG ( talk ) 16:52, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Peer reviewed journal

I'm not an academic, how do I get into that? Have you seen my software to get into scopus...there's nothing like that out there...Luca boscolo (talk) 17:08, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Klavier Music Productions

Unbelievable. You're not supposed to nominate a page for deletion while it's in production, as the increation notice clearly says. Further, it hardly qualifies for a promotion piece, but we'll leave it for others to decide. --Unicorn Tapestry ^{say} 21:36, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

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AirMenu

Dear Barney, I received your notification for the deletion of my article about AirMenu. Please inform me about the alterations you think I should do to meet the wiki requirements. I don't think it is promotional, since there's no clear praise about the company, just straight information about it's activity and features. I'll wait for your suggestions about how I can improve the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miguelalvesc (talk • contribs) 10:04, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Declined speedy

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Regarding speedy delete of Onarbor page and Tim R Peterson page

Hi Barney, I created the page, Onarbor, and would like to fix it such that it will be acceptable to be published on Wikipedia. Onarbor.com is my website and company. Can you explain why you deleted it?

thanks, Tim Peterson User:Trpeters1 —Preceding undated comment added 15:01, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation on why you recommended Onarbor for delete. Can this page simply remain idle on Wikipedia until it becomes "notable" enough? Trpeters1 (talk) 15:47, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

who was who

I don;t think we have usually accepted it as a source showing notability I think the physicians you're writing about are probably notable, but it needs more to show it. DGG ( talk ) 15:52, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

I had come here to comment on St Clair Thomson (who I had been planning to write an article on - I noticed a redlink go blue). I will try and help expand that stub at some point, as I know he is notable. I suspect many of the others are as well, but it does help to try and write a bit more when starting articles like that. Barney, while I am here can I ask if you put WikiProject templates on the talk pages? Others will do it eventually, but {{WPBiography}} is useful on biographical articles. Carcharoth (talk) 22:52, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Biographical articles

Hi there. Not sure if you saw the above note, but wanted to drop off another note as I noticed that the article I mentioned above (St Clair Thomson) had been moved (by another editor) from Sir St Clair Thomson to St Clair Thomson. I then noticed that you had recently moved several articles to titles starting 'Sir'. I think putting 'Sir' in article titles is generally avoided, even if the 'Sir' is being used to disambiguate the name. The article naming and guidelines are not terribly clear on this point, so maybe it needs to be discussed somewhere suitable. What do you think? The other thing I wanted to say is that I'd be very happy to help expand some of these stubs that you've started. I wanted to check first if you had plans to expand any of them? Carcharoth (talk) 23:37, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Re: TED refs

I saw that, too. It's the same article with a different (short) opening paragraph. Vzaak (talk) 11:12, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Our new friend

Our new friend has now admitted that he's here to do "a little field study", which is exactly what I suspected and brought to his attention earlier. It looks like "trolling 2.0". I suppose waiting is still the most practical option. At least I know not to engage him. Vzaak (talk) 12:50, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't presume to tell others what to do, but if you look at the kinds of things he has said and done, I just don't see any value in engaging with him. Vzaak (talk) 18:53, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Re: Consistency

I completely understand, but I want the opening to be unassailable reference-wise. Blackmore is the only one that actually brings up the point, that I am aware. Her argument focuses on telepathy itself, and she doesn't even mention "morphic resonance". We can't go from "telepathy is inconsistent" to "morphic resonance is inconsistent" due to SYNTH. Were you able to find the text of the Wolpert article "A matter of fact or fancy"?

Re public understanding, it seemed at the time natural to tie that to media appearances. But thinking about this again, I agree it should go in the lead, especially now that there is a "Media Appearances" section with info on TEDx. Vzaak (talk) 13:47, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, it looked like Wolpert was a stray reference. "Reproducible evidence" has been there a while, and survived your earlier batch of edits. Vzaak (talk) 20:00, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi, good to see you back. As you probably noticed, your auto-whatever status has been restored. Considering that at least four people [2][3][4][5] thought WP:CSD#A7 was appropriate, and considering other surrounding details, I think a strong case could be made against Snowman if you cared to pursue it.

The TEDx thing is a minefield because there's no secondary-source treatment of it. The only secondary source, the Independent (and syndicated copy in the Belfast Telegraph), goes into no detail. Since almost any narrative can be built from this affair by stringing together primary sources, and since the story wasn't otherwise picked up by news, it seemed to me that just stating the facts was the safest approach, without getting into the he-said/she-said of it. Do you disagree? Vzaak (talk) 18:02, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

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CakeMail

Hi Barney the barney barney,

Hello. Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:15, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

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It seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. (See section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Business for more information.
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Yes, more promotion welcome in the encyclopedia. Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:18, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

New Naturalist

I am interested in why you restored 8 links to disambiguation pages instead of solving them. The Banner talk 22:36, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Notability

This shows a deep and troubling lack of understanding of how notability works.

WP:NFOOTBALL doesn't mean "basically means anyone who's ever played any sort of competitive sport", it refers to players who have competed in a fully-professional league or at senior international level in an official game.

If you need any help or advice with regards to notability please let me know, I'm happy to assist. Giant Snowman 16:23, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

you are not allowed to question WP:NSPORTS. I've tried to question it in the past but was informed otherwise. As long as someone plays some kind of semi-competitive sport, they're in. Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:16, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Your typo at the request for clarification on pseudoscience

Regarding your statement at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment#Statement by Barney the barney barney, you said " feint-hearted" when I think you meant to say "faint-hearted". JRSpriggs (talk) 18:42, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Total confusion there then, eh? Arbcome members must be unable to work out what I meant. Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:17, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

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No, I'm not. You're removing valid links. I don't know why. Barney the barney barney (talk) 22:43, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

You are introducing unsolvable links to disambiguation pages time and time again. See below for the consequences. The Banner talk 22:57, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

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ANEW

Barney, please comment at the report filed against you at WP:ANEW, if for no other reason than I'd like to understand of why you're doing what you're doing. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:23, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Su iyesi

I am still editing... Thanks your patience Buzancar (talk) 11:18, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

September 2013

Hello, I'm AldezD. I noticed that you made a comment on the page Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of QI episodes that didn't seem very [[Wikipedia:Civility|civil. Wikipedia needs people like you and me to collaborate, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. [6] AldezD (talk) 15:57, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Please do not leave personal attacks questioning my competency in AfD discussions. Reviewing my edit history and contributions clearly show my level of competence. AldezD (talk) 15:58, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Really? Is the 10-0 deletion vote against you really not indicative of this? Are you really so personally offended by that? I think WP:COMPETENCE applies here very clearly. Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:15, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Re: Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them (film)

When new page-patrolling you should generally give editors some time to establish a page, especially when it appears to be a current event, before pressing CSD. A quick Google search would have confirmed to you that this has literally just happened. I was trying to gather some references. Regards. —JennKR | ☎ 14:11, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Unreferenced and potential vaporware fancruft is welcome on Wikipedia. Now I learn. Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:13, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

STA Travel

Hi Barney,

I'm really struggling to see how I can make the STA Travel page any less promotional. Many commercial companies have Wikipedia pages and the page I created does not overtly promote a product or a service. Nor does it make grand statements which cannot be backed up by sources and references.

Please can you suggest areas which can be amended rather than tagging it for deletion?

Thanks,

Stephomitchell (talk) 16:27, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

No worries. It's a brilliant article. Should be featured on the main page. Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:12, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

From Gate to Wire

This article is not eligible for WP:CSD#A7 - it is about a newspaper article, not a "real person, individual animal, organization (band, club, company, etc.), web content or organized event." If you add the tag again your account will be blocked for disruption, you have been warned before. Giant Snowman 16:45, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for that. It's really helpful explanation. Try to maintain encyclopedic standards and get blocked for no reason, or not try to maintain encyclopedic standards. Genius logic. Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:08, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Do you know what's not helpful? Your attitude. It's almost as poor as your editing ability and knowledge here. This is a collaborative project, and your sarcasm and general character are not conducive to that. Giant Snowman 17:28, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Sarcasm? I don't understand. You mean I help and then I get told off for "helping wrong". Perhaps I won't try to help then. Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:40, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

RHaworth (talk · contribs) would have deleted it no problem. Being excessively pedantic is pathetic and Giant Snowman (talk · contribs) knows it. Barney the barney barney (talk) 18:56, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

From Gate to Wire appears to be a column in a web - only newspaper. So it is web content, and is eligible for WP:CSD#A7. Cardamon (talk) 08:53, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Autoconfirmed right removed

Do to your repeated mis-use of page curation tools, I have removed your 'autoconfirmed' status. You are more than welcome to request it back if you wish. Giant Snowman 17:33, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! That's really helpful that is. The most helpful thing you've ever done, I reckon. Words cannot express how helpful that is. What Wikipedia needs is more promotion. I'll keep that in mind. Do you want to block me as well? I know you need no actual reason to do it. Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:39, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

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THanks! i bet that's as helpful as User:Giant Snowman's petty actions against me. Barney the barney barney (talk) 19:10, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Making my Day

Hi, I just wanted to say thanks for making my day. This talk page is amazing! I'm going to look and see if I can find an appropriate barnstar. Benboy00 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:21, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

		The Special Barnstar
		I thought about putting the barnstar of diplomacy, but I was worried that there might be a limit to allowable irony :P Benboy00 (talk) 19:37, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Hey

You've spent quite some time helping out here in the past year or two; please don't throw it away because you're pissed. I would imagine it won't be too hard to right whatever wrongs have happened, but step one is probably to take a break, or at the very least don't keep being sarcastic or screwing with people's usernames. Ping me if you want, though I'll not necessarily be online all day, I'll get back to you. Especially, don't be sarcastic on newbies' talk pages; they aren't (or shouldn't be) who you're mad at. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:02, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

I'd concur with Floquenbeam. I'm not sure what has caused this blow up, but from time to time we all get pushed to the edge a bit on wikipedia, whether that be the perceived arbitrariness of certain applications of rules or other editors. At those times it is good to work on something else or walk away for a bit to get perspective. After a week or so, it may be useful to reflect on what was said at the time and what lessons can be learnt. I'd also suggest not being overtly sarcastic on wikipedia at all, IRWolfie- (talk) 23:57, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

I concur with Floq and IRWolfie. For what it's worth, I have gone on record agreeing that From Gate to Wire meets the criteria for WP:CSD#A7, and that's not something I generally say lightly. I'll assume good faith that your NPP work is generally correct and up to standard, and the only thing I'll point you to is Hanlon's Razor - people generally don't create articles that meet CSD A7 maliciously, and all you need to do is explain calmly and succinctly why the article meets the criteria, suggesting other options such as userfying or bouncing to AfC. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 08:59, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

There may still be things that need to be talked out, but at least I've restored autopatrolled status to your account. This had nothing to do with page curation, it's only involved with marking pages you create as autopatrolled. --Floquenbeam (talk) 13:55, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, apologies for that. Giant Snowman 14:04, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

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Rose

Hi, I don't really understand this sentence: Steven Rose, who appeared in the broadcast, criticised it for "as if heresy was...all that mattered" and that "there wasn't much sense of the scientific or metascientific issues at stake".

I don't have the context since I couldn't find the source online. The first quote seems to almost make the opposite point, like, "sure it's heresy; we hate heretics, so what?". The second quote seems to lack some context as well; but I get it, I guess.

In any case the article seems complete-ish now and I don't expect to be meddling as much.

Do you plan to make a case against Snowman? As I mentioned above, I think there's a strong case there. Vzaak (talk) 17:48, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Rose didn't like the way it was presented, i.e. little to no scientific content, versus scientists being nasty to heretics unnecessarily. It's in the Guardian archive if you have access, as is a lot of Sheldrake's columns for the Guardian. Barney the barney barney (talk) 18:43, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't do politics. Barney the barney barney (talk) 18:43, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't have such access. Could you tell me if this is an appropriate summation: Biologist Steven Rose, who appeared in the broadcast, criticised it for creating the perception that Maddox's rhetoric in his 1981 Nature editorial was "all that mattered". "There wasn't much sense of the scientific or metascientific issues at stake", Rose said. Vzaak (talk) 22:22, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

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Craig Weiler

Hi Barney. I'm a skeptic and have been following the Rupert Sheldrake stuff on the internet for some various months, I noticed the talkpage and noticed some woo-meisters are trying to add in various fringe theories. One of these users is Craig Weiler a known psi-believer. He's all over the internet stirring this controversy up and he has a lot of nasty comments against wikipedia. Please see here;

[7] and [8] as you can see he's asking other psi-believers to help him out add fringe stuff into Sheldrake's wiki. I believe this is going to end in trouble and suggest this user should be banned. Perhaps you could pass this onto an admin. Thanks. Dan Dan skeptic (talk) 06:14, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

thanks for the links. WP:MEAT is not good, but currently, we're managing to deal with it. Barney the barney barney (talk) 10:09, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

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Animism

Hello again is there any chance you can look at the animism article regarding the science section at the bottom, it describes Sheldrake as a "biologist" and makes out his stuff is scientific. Do you think that section should be deleted? It is a fringe view. The only thing that might be worth saving is the comment from David Skrbina which could be used on Sheldrake's own article. Thanks. Dan skeptic (talk) 00:54, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

What is thy bidding, my master?

Darth Vzaak (talk) 07:09, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

The Rebels are alerted to our presence. Admiral Ozzel came out of lightspeed too close to the system. Darth Vzaak (talk) 19:12, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

I sense a great disturbance in the Force. David in DC (talk) 18:24, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

I found an article you might be interested in

[9]. Best regards, - LuckyLouie (talk) 16:26, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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Tom's wrong

on almost everything. deletion of graf. cite tag on vzaak's fine work on note. But give him the NPOV tag, please. Even discounting the many wing-nuts, there are good editors arguing in good faith about NPOV. It costs nothing to acknowledge the ongoing problems with consensus on the talk page. We disagree on the merits. But I ask this not only for the good of the project; also for your standing as one of the sane people in the discussion. I'm only non-controversial on style and prose. and even there, I'm sure the canine who's not Roxy will soon find something wrong there too.

But you, like vzaak, are non-controversial on substance. You ridicule the ridiculous, but extend good faith courtesy to the non-ridiculous. An NPOV tag self-revert could do much good and, in the end, little harm.

Please? David in DC (talk) 18:20, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Tom Butler spiritualist and Sheldrake supporter

Butler is a well known Sheldrake supporter, pseudoscience promoter and spiritualist here is his blog "etheric studies" [10], see his background [11]. Hilarious stuff. Now read the first link closely, he's now linking to Craig Weiler's blog and supporting Craig's conspiracy theory and see his latest comment [12] yet he pretends to be "neutral" on Wikipedia. Dan skeptic (talk) 22:09, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I read Tom Butler (talk · contribs)'s user page. WP:CIVILITY constrains my first impressions and my assessment of his likely WP:COMPETENCE to contribute effectively. They just keep coming. Barney the barney barney (talk) 22:12, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Threats are not a good way to find consensus.Tom Butler (talk) 22:00, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Craig Weiler inviting "psychics" to edit the Sheldrake article

Craig Weiler on this paranormal forum [13] has been ecouraging and inviting his friends to join Wikipedia and delete skeptical sources. It's no surprise that ECCarb (talk · contribs) has now been editing the John Lorber article (which he says he is going to do in that forum post). He's also been inserting pseudoscience on the Sheldrake article. I mentioned this issue at the Admin board, but no kind of action has been taken (yet). Is Weiler not breaking Wikipedia policies by inviting people to join Wikipedia and delete sources? If he is not breaking Wikipedia policies then I apologize, but I believe he is. Dan skeptic (talk) 13:40, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Don't know whether they're breaking rules or not. I can foresee failing to contribute effectively however. Barney the barney barney (talk) 16:37, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

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Two editors were editing your user page. I've reverted their additions which were presumably meant for this talk page, here [15]. IRWolfie- (talk) 15:07, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

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Same chap, but article is too different for G4. No objections to trying something else. Peridon (talk) 14:37, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

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Does a user have to be given a sanctions warning before going to WP:AE, or does it apply to generally to ArbCom things like pseudoscience? I created an ANI about a user's behavior but was advised to go to WP:RFC/U, however that has requirements like "at least two editors must have contacted the user". vzaak (talk) 20:10, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Reviews

Why are there 4 positive reviews and 2 negative? I had considered removing Vernon just for balance (there's no quote from him), but I hadn't imagined adding a positive review. vzaak (talk) 00:12, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Why not? There's no harm in it. Barney the barney barney (talk) 08:51, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks

Thanks for your note on my talk page. I think I fundamentally agree with your view of Sheldrake, my only difference is trying to say things in a slightly gentler way. Unfortunately, this seems to be taken as a sign of weakness by the Sheldrake fan club, balanced by iron resolve at the other end of the spectrum not to give an inch. I just got frustrated. Dingo1729 (talk) 04:47, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

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I've commented out two of the "X reviewed this" statements with no other info. I think it's pretty unlikely someone will come along and jump into contributing the missing info after seeing them. A mention on the talk page (at least for the archives) and the hidden wikitext in the article should be sufficient effort. Also, showing an incomplete state doesn't send a good message to readers (and the article may be getting too long already). vzaak (talk) 21:36, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

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NPOV complaint

You've been named in a complaint here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Bias_in_the_Rupert_Sheldrake_article Alfonzo Green (talk) 21:15, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Entirely frivolous. Barney the barney barney (talk) 22:27, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

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Kuki 久喜

Hi, there.

The page itself I thought was quite encyclopedic, there is no mention of the artist being "Good" or "Bad" and the page itself does not contain any references to gigs or shows.

It simply lists works that has been done on a notable source

Just so I can figure it out ? could you please point out what it was that made you go for a speedy deletion — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kukikult (talk • contribs) 14:53, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

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"Left wing bullshit"

You don't seem to have "Email this user" enabled, so it's hard for me to provide the email address you requested. However, if you google the phrase in this heading, you'll find a moribund blog. The email address you request is in the user info there.

The fact that one kind find me that way is one of the signal achievements of my life. :) David in DC (talk) 21:24, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Edit warring

A complaint regarding your behavior on the Sheldrake page has been lodged here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Barney_the_barney_barney_reported_by_User:Alfonzo_Green_.28Result:_.29

Alfonzo Green (talk) 00:27, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Not edit warring. Please explain the NPOV tag in line with policy, especially WP:FRINGE. How hard is this for you? Also note WP:BOOMERANG and in particular WP:ARB/PS which is the funniest case of Boomerang ever, in which Iantresman (talk · contribs) tried to get his bizarre view of mainstream academic thought which he clearly did not understand. WP:HISTORYREPEATSITSELF. Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:22, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

A warning? that's a joke isn't it? --Roxy the dog (resonate) 20:43, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Removing an NPOV template from the Rupert Sheldrake article, although as we're back to a version now that claims he is a "biochemist" - despite not currently doing no biochemistry, I'm not sure. David in DC (talk · contribs) is trying his best, but is trying to compromise with those who are incapable of contributing effectively. The thread is closed now anyway. I have a lovely personal attack warning for not pretending that the AGF ship hadn't sailed weeks ago. Barney the barney barney (talk) 20:49, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Pillar four always applies. At all times. On all pages. To all editors, even those that attack you. Always WP:NICE; stick to the high moral ground. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 17:43, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

TRPoD's only edit to "biochemist and botanist" was "biochemist and author". This gives me hope. Please read my final edit summary for the day. Please consider following its suggestion.

24 hours from now, please read this diff and see if you can see your way clear to following those suggestions. David in DC (talk) 20:56, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

My preference is for "author on science related issues, [and then into a brief sentence on his background], [and then onto a summary of what morphic resonance is], [and then somehow, onto what the reception of his ideas]. Compromises from this are possible.

What I don't think is acceptable is to describe him as a "biochemist" or "botanist" or "plant physiologist" if

He's not principally notable for being a "biochemist"/ "botanist"/ "plant physiologist"
He's not currently conducting research in these areas

or describe him as "scientist" if there is dispute over whether he is conducting science or pseudoscience (or a mixture of both).

I really do appreciate what you're trying to do David in DC (talk · contribs) but I think you're off the right path; you have a better understanding than most, and have more patience than I do, and I think we broadly agree.

The lead is the key. In the meantime, I'll try to find more reliable pro-Sheldrake sources, it's difficult though. I've spent literally hours sifting through and sorting sources, and even longer on dealing with those who would be deserving of personal attacks if it were not allowed. Barney the barney barney (talk) 21:10, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

The purpose of WP:FRINGE is to not mislead readers. Please look at the forest, not the trees. How stupid would a reader have to be to be misled about who and what RS is with the article in its current state? David in DC (talk) 21:15, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

If your offer is open to me too, I'd appreciate PDFs of the sources you have. My email is ian2[at]knowledge.co.uk and I can handle ZIPs. --Iantresman (talk) 00:51, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

split BLP from FRINGE, without causing POV fork

Hello Barney, I enter your lair with some trepidition. :-) And apparently at least one spelling-error, but prolly you caught the gist. Iantresman asked us to not discuss the sheldrake-article-topics on his user-talkpage further, so is it okay to move here temporarily? If not, we can open Yet Another Section on the article-talkpage... and eventually that ought to be done... but in the meantime, this split-article question might get hammered out faster with just two editors, or if TRPoD is listening, with three. If you'd rather it be on the article-talkpage, or on my user-talkpage, or just skip it, that's fine by me.

I would support a split only if it can be shown that individuals other than Sheldrake have been working on morphic resonance with reasonable independence from Sheldrake. Until then, MR is simply not notable enough for its own page. Mentions in Doctor Who don't count. Barney the barney barney (talk) 11:02, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

So there are actually four things under discussion here, some of which are Notable enough to get their own article.

RS is a BLP article (mostly maintained by David with luck), which methinks should cover academic credentials, spiritual views, author/lecturer stuff. Morphic & telepathy mentioned briefly, noted as non-mainstream, reader directed to links covering MG/MGF/MF&MR/PM.
MG is a mainstream-science-theory, around since the 1920s at least. MGF is a specific subset with mainstream-minority-science-hypothesis status.
RS claims to have generalized MGF into his own Morphic Fields aka MF, where Morphic Resonance aka MR is one specific phenomenon found in the MF-idea. Suggest MF article, with MR as a section therein.
The fourth thing is Sheldrake's early phytomorphology work aka PM, published in mainstream places, prior to his turn to The Dark Side. ;-)

Your stance, correct me if I'm wrong, is that there are not enough reliable sources that significantly discuss MF stuff (to include MR as a subset of MF) in enough depth? When you say "working-on" you mean publishing-about, correct? 74.192.84.101 (talk) 16:32, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

I see no problem here with there being a lair. I do not suffer fools gladly, but if you avoid beeing foolish you'll survive

"Working on" basically means sources. This as a start would include serious works referencing "morphic resonance" as a serious research issue, other seriously proposing what MR might or might not be, or indeed practical experiments designed to try to detect MR effects or the MR field.
The problem with an article describing the history of "morphic fields" dating back to the 1920s is twofold (1) we are unable to do original research on archives (2) the link between old school MF ideas and Sheldrake's ideas also seems to be WP:OR (although it is fairly obvious OR and we could choose to ignore WP:NOR as impractical). We also need to explain why the idea was quietly dropped from research. It looks like it's a reasonable topic for a historical research paper, so it may have been written already, if not, it's not yet of academic interest.
Finally, assuming the above two presently are negative, there are categorically no BLP problems with the Rupert Sheldrake article. Articles on living people do not have to whitewash well sourced, pointed criticism from senior members of a particular field. Many of these criticisms are of Sheldrake personally, and therefore I cannot see how you can extract the "philosophising" from the man. Finally note that I am also trying to, but it's really hard to find any sources. Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:05, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

PS - as a bone to you, I have am preparing an article on Jaytee (dog), which I might finish sometime soon-ish. Barney the barney barney (talk) 19:11, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, appreciate the bone, I'll toss it to Roxy, they might gnaw it over some. I personally don't think Jaytee is worth a dedicated article, it will be WP:PERMASTUB, and the material belongs in the subsection about Dogs-That-Know. The question is: where (in what article) does Dogs-That-Know actually belong? More on this at the end. (The lair thing, that was a joke, thanks for taking it well.) As for being foolish, I'll do my best. Wait. As for not being foolish, I'll do my best. :-) I have no big argument here with your main points, except for one little word. What is the definition of "serious" research... as opposed to, say, mere journalism?

some explanation, which you may already have heard over on the talkpage, about why colloquial 'reliable' sources has zero connection to wikipolicy 'Reliable' Sources

Wikipedia distinguishes between the two types of sources, when it comes to determining what is MainstreamView for some particular field of inquiry (biology / physics / historyOfTextualInterpretationOfTheBible / philosophyOfScience / telepathy). Well-respected-in-their-field-of-inquiry peer-reviewed international-journals get more weight, than just the Bozeman daily, when it comes to determining what the mainstream view is... but *more* does not mean *all* the weight. Bozeman's fine journalists still qualify for imbuing WP:NOTEWORTHY status, just like Nature.

Weight aside, there is zero distinction in terms of capital-letter-Notability. If some freelance journalist noticed it, and wrote a couple paragraphs about it, and some assistant editor did a quick fact-check to CYA for the newspaper, then the subject of the paragraphs (once a couple-few sources discuss said topic) *is* flat-out wikiNotable. This is, obviously, different than being true or correct. Many things that are not even wrong grace the pages of modern churnalism. Because wikipedia depends on said sources, some of the crap gets into wikipedia, as well. That's what WP:UNDUE is really for -- to give the objective facts a *shot* at shining through. We still report what the papers said, however. Back in the early days of rocketry, somebody in the NYT gave Robert Goddard some crap.

The official policy here, barring rare exceptions, is crystal clear: being a Reliable Source has nothing to do with being *true*. It merely means, peer-reviewed (not counting exceptions like Journal Of Sasquatch Believers), or at least, professional-editorial-board-reviewed (not counting The Onion... finest onionpaper in the world). By that standard, morphic fields slash morphic resonance qualifies, for a dedicated article, if we editors decide such a thing makes sense.

Which is why your insistence on "serious" research as the standard seems mistaken to me. Sure, we can eliminate some sources discussing morphic juices as being unreliable, such as the Noetic Institute perhaps (I don't actually know whether they've been investigated or not but the name sounds a bit odd). But once they are found unreliable, they stay unreliable. We cannot say, this BBC report is "unreliable" aka factually wrong, but the rest are fine. There is a specific jargon-meaning of "Reliable Sources" aka published with some minimal level of fact-checking; we don't pick winners and losers on a sentence by sentence basis, either the BBC is wikiReliable or they ain't, end of story.

I think that stuff above is the crux. As for your second point, we can sometimes cite primary sources like the 1920s papers, even though they are not online necessarily, as long as we do it "with care". I believe I have a Shedrake interview where he linked his ideas to the older biological stuff; but that's just on Sheldrake's say-so, of course, the 1920s guy is long dead. But from what I have gleaned, MF is the subquantum juice, MR is how the subquantum juices impact plant-shape, and traditional old 1920s-style MGF does the rest. Sheldrake did not change any of the MGF part as far as I know, though maybe his mainstream axion research did somehow; I think he just added MR and MF on top, saying that subquantum juices explain MR&MF, then MGF explains the rest. I could be wrong here, we'll have to ask Iantresman or Alfonzo. Anyways, there are two sensible choices methinks, depending on what our decision about Sheldrake-MF versus 1920s-MGF ends up looking like.

some ideas for splitting the BLP page up, into BLP + MF&MR&MGF, or even better, into BLP + MF&MR + MGF, so we can clearly separate criticism of the BLP from criticism of their ideas

In one case, we end up with BLP article (including insults aimed *at* Sheldrake personally and directly rather than at specific aspects of his work... e.g. people saying he sensationalizes science and distorts science in the mind of the public for instance... but clearly distinguishing the BLP, from the BLP's ideas, at all times). Elsewhere, we have a morphogenetic field article, covers the 1920s stuff at the top just like now, with a section at the bottom called 'generalization by sheldrake into morphic fields' which covers MF&MR. And oh, as for why research in spooky "fields" explanation for phytomorphology dried up after WWII... methinks there was this double helix thing, that explained so much it kinda made spooky fields seem, well, pseudo? :-)

Alternatively, case two, we end up with BLP article, MGF article (on "real science"), and MF+MR article (on Sheldrake's... ahem... subquantum juice theory) which links to the BLP and to MGF. I think BLP + MGF + MF&MR is the best scenario, because it separates the bio-page from the science-page from the pseudo-science page. That is what David's big concern is, same for PhilosophyFellow, same for TheCap'n. Most of the oxygen of publicity would dissipate, if we can list Sheldrake's highly respectable academic credentials on the BLP-page, with just one paragraph summarizing his pseudo work... and then zip to the MF&MR page for the criticism of his *ideas*. That in and of itself will stymie the perception that his BLP page is unfairly attacking *him* ... because his ideas deserve attacking, but must be kept distinct from him as a person (he is personally attacked -- as a person -- much less frequently!). While I agree with you that it is theoretically possible to keep everything proper and neutral in a single huge honking article, I think in practice you have to admit that the current all-crammed-together BLP+Morphic&Maddox+Jaytee&Wiseman+Staring&Randi+Philosophy&TEDx+Gerbic&Coyne article format does not lend itself to productive editing. :-)

Along the same lines, I think the *deep* coverage of Dogs-That-Know should be a section on the page about Telepathy (or animal telepathy perhaps... which would include your Jaytee (dog) work), and that the Staring stuff should be over as a special section of the psychic staring effect page. On his BLP page, we just say, title this, year published that, one journalist said quote "thought-provoking", one scientist said quote "epic unfalsifiable stupidity", see also Animal Telepathy#Sheldrake. That's fair to the BLP, and fair to WP:FRINGE methinks. Anyways, my wall-of-text alarm has been beeping for some time, so I'll end with a final note, that I *have* seen you doing the heavy lifting with finding sources, both pro and con, totally fair and square, and do appreciate it. Good stuff, thanks for improving wikipedia. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 20:46, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Your rambling now. We already should have an article on telepathy. I'm not sure the few Daily Mail articles we have on apparently psychic animals are going to be sufficient reliable sources to enable an article on homo/non-homo psi. Barney the barney barney (talk) 16:41, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Sorry about the apparent-rambling. The jaytee-subsection of the telepathy article, sure; that's a minor point. Again, the fundamental disconnect, is your adjectives. "Sufficiently reliable". Wikipedia does not care, and as editors, we cannot care. "Serious works ... serious research". Again, wikipedia policy is clear. We do not get to pick and choose which sources we report. If the guardian says it, that satisfies WP:NOTEWORTHY, and if some editor, any editor -- whether they suffer from pro-Sheldrake POV or otherwise -- wants the sentence supported by that cite in the article, we cannot elide the sentence nor the cite. Even when, maybe even especially when, we know the usually-Reliable-Source-newspaper was logically factually scientifically-speaking wrong. That's the crux, in a nutshell. This is not truth-o-pedia. HTH. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 22:16, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

You seem to be under the misconception that Wikipedia reports everything. It doesn't. In particular, it tends not to report stuff that's clearly WP:BOLLOCKS. There is an editing process, and the Daily Mail, wonderful institution that it is, is not a serious source. Barney the barney barney (talk) 22:29, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Barney, no, my position is not WP:EVERYTHING, my position is the very first sentence of WP:RS and the very first sentence of WP:NPOV. Look for "all" in both cases. If a wikiReliable source says something that is logically objectively false, then retracts it later, you can argue against inclusion. If the tenth issue of the Journal-Of-Sasquatch-Believers publishes some statement, and per WP:FRINGE the *entire* journal and all issues and all sentences therein are no longer seen as wikiReliable, you can exclude. But that is it. Finis. Any other selective-exclusion of Reliably-Sourced-sentences is POV.

You are attempting to assert that wikipedia editors are responsible for *deciding* what counts as wikiNotable/ wikiNoteworthy. You are asserting that wikipedia editors can *decide* which Reliable Sources to use, and what to reject. That is as deep a misunderstanding of wikipedia as one can have; I know, because like you, I also once thought this was truth-o-pedia. IT AIN'T.

When you/vzaak/trpod/ken eliminate wikiReliable Sources you disagree with, and wikiReliably-Sourced-sentences you disagree with, simply because what they state is untrue, you are engaging in "synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position not advanced by the sources." See also, lie of omission. Editor only refers to one-who-uses-a-text-editor; it does not, in any way, refer to one-who-picks-the-sources-they-wish-for-the-reader-to-learn-about. Wikipedians rely on Reliable Sources for all fact-checking-n-peer-review-purposes; not our own logic, never synthesis, and with luck no WP:IDHT.

Wiseman is a serious source... but 'the patterns match' is elided? WP:SkePOV. Umpteen mainstream-media outlets are serious sources... but 'biologist' is not in the first sentence? Et cetera, every content-dispute boils down this omission of Reliable (not-necessary-what-they-say-be-actually-True) Sources. Wikipedians are users of text-editors, not people that decide what is wikiNoteworthy. The *sources* decide that, and only the sources. Anything less is POV. p.s. There is no such thing as WP:ANECDOTE, did you mean something else? 74.192.84.101 (talk) 17:34, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Rambling lectures are not really helpful. Look forward to your WP:ARB/PS sanctions, coming your way soon. Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:47, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, with a heavy heart you will recommend (yet again) that the talkpage be semi-protected, effectively topic-banning me. Are you sure that your constant mention of discretionary sanctions, to all and sundry, is really just a friendly reminder of policy, rather than I-will-ban-you-unless-you-stop-editing? Alfonzo was wrong to take you to the noticeboard for editwarring when you had done nothing of the sort, sure, but that does not therefore make you exempt from all wrongdoing. The plain fact is you still do not fully grok pillar four WP:NICE, although you are much improved.

As for the main point, the crux of the reason for the battleground: you think that 'editor' means one who decides what sources count as reliable-aka-true. But as much as we might wish it to be, WP:BOLLOCKS just ain't policy. It's optional, something to strive for, but not at the expense of core wikipolicy, not if the only way to keep mainspace truthful is to drive away other editors, downplay reliably-sourced materials, and hurt wikipedia by hurting the community-of-editors. Anyhoo, either you will take my advice, or not. Appreciate you skimming it; apologies for the lecturing-tone, I'll not bring it up again with you, unless you ask me to specifically. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 14:09, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Anyways, just to get your position clear on re-splitting the article into BLP + IdeasOfTheBLP. You insist that the pseudophysics-or-at-best-questionable-physics theory of morphic fields, which is a non-mathematical generalization of the mainstream-biology alternative minority theory morphogenetic fields, does not deserve an article. However, in terms of wikiReliable Sources -- as distinct from truly-lowercase-reliable-aka-factual sources -- we have two published books by Sheldrake on the subject, and significant coverage in at least two of his other books, plus serious responses to morphic fields from Sokal, Wiseman, Rose, Shermer, Wolpert, Maddox, Josephson, et cetera. However, you argue against morphic fields having a non-BLP-redirect article, because either the Reliable Sources don't "count" (Sheldrake's non-vanity-press books), or because the responses say morphic-stuff is factually/logically/realistically "wrong". You want serious academic research evidence in favor of morphic fields, before you will agree wikiNotability exists. Is this the case? 74.192.84.101 (talk) 14:09, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for this that's really useful. Ban the editor who has always edited in line with procedure and leave the trolls alone. Why should I be placed on notice when the only basic policy I might have broken is the no personal attacks rule, but this is very hard to follow when editors are clearly being either (1) disingenous or (2) stupid or (3) both, and wasting everyone's time. Bbb23 (talk · contribs)? Barney the barney barney (talk) 10:20, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Bravo. --Roxy the dog (resonate) 10:25, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

This is just standardized-template-spam, a form-letter from authoritah. WP:TEMPLAR applies, of course. But hey, David got the same notice, he's been here forever; anybody named in Alfonzo's complaint did. You have been heroically avoiding NPA recently, Barney, for which I am deeply appreciative. :-) It gets easier to follow pillar four with time, but I'll fully admit it never really feels natural. And on that point... vague assertions that Some Editors are "stupid", will get you in hot water nearly as fast as specifically calling somebody that. Suggest you redact that triplet of accusations. WP:IMAGINE applies, as does repetitive re-application of WP:AGF to every new day. Everybody makes mistakes. But hey, credit where credit is due: you are no longer assuming malice, right? That's progress. Pretty soon, you'll no longer be assuming stupidity, and start to follow WP:NOCLUE as standard operating procedure. In any case, suggest treading lightly around Bbb, they have little patience, and a *very* firm grasp of policy. In the hope, that this will be helpful, I hereby commit this paragraph to the interwebs. Sorry if you decide it was a waste of time, after reading it; not as sorry, if you skip it, however. ;-) —74.192.84.101 (talk) 17:54, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Note Barney, this is not a ban, it is just the formal notice that will allow expedited admin processes in the future. And the notices were pretty much to everyone editing the article/talk page as far as I can see. (except for User talk:Veryscarymary who appears got a miss) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:00, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

I feel small and insignificant now. --Roxy the dog (resonate) 20:48, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

TRPoD has it about right. I went back in the history of the article only a few days (lots of edits in those few days). Veryscarymary was a little further back than I went. As for Roxy the dog, they were even further back. And I didn't notify anyone if they were editing only the talk page during that time span.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:11, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm working on more AE cases, but given the cumbersome format it's going to take some time to do them all. I haven't followed this at length so if there's someone you think I'm missing, feel free to point them out. Mangoe (talk) 12:35, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

...and at this point I'm rethinking bothering at all. I have a life to live, rather than digging through all this crap trying to pile up enough diffs to make some bureaucrat responsive. Mangoe (talk) 20:09, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

You and I don't always see eye to eye, Barney the barney barney, but I don't like the idea of anyone getting arbitrary threats. I'm more than a little uncomfortable with the way banning/blocking warnings are being tossed around. I received the equivalent of a "we don't like yer kind 'round here" warning about the Sheldrake page myself, so you have my sympathies. The Cap'n (talk) 06:15, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

This won't go anywhere, you're one of the few editors on here speaking for reason, science and rationality. Don't worry, only the ones who deserve it are those who will get the boot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.139.22.141 (talk) 17:35, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Rose v Sheldrake

With the recent huge edits to this section, the complications surrounding it have now begun. If I may be excused for quoting my earlier comment: I've argued in the past that Wikipedia editors should not be jumping into the middle of a scientific debate for which there are only primary sources. For example one WP user is absolutely convinced that Richard Wiseman is disingenuous via a misinterpretation of primary sources. Wikipedia can report conclusions of scientific papers, i.e. the interpretations of their authors, but shouldn't wade into the muck without the use of secondary sources. The lack of secondary sources also indicates the relative unimportance.

Basically I foresee a never-ending back and forth regarding interpretation in the Rose v Sheldrake section. I realize it's hard to let go of whole sections that you wrote yourself, but given the above reasons and surrounding problems, plus the lengthiness of the article, it seems to me that axing it the easiest thing. vzaak (talk) 22:47, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

I disagree. Rose gives a very eloquent and perceptive discussion of Sheldrake's work. Yes, there is a problem with Rose's ultimate conclusion; he concludes the is hypothesis is disconfirmed but only after saying he doesn't think it is falsifiable. He should have been clearer and said that in this instance, this particular hypothesis was disconfirmed, but this didn't falsify the whole of Sheldrake's ideas, and that further research would be necessary to confirm any of Sheldrake's ideas, which indicating that further research doesn't look fruitful. I don't think you can include just half of the story - i.e. Roses's original comments in The Guardian, which clearly allude to Sheldrake not testing his hypothesis, despite the generous offer. So you've got to include the whole story, not just a bit of it. And we can't exclude Rose FFS. He has had a proper academic career - he knows what he's talking about. Barney the barney barney (talk) 10:09, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes the Rose material is interesting, as long as Sheldrake supporters don't constantly delete it. My concern is more practical, in that primary sources lend themselves to abuse by predetermined conclusions, like the claim that Wiseman is disingenuous. And another case of interpretation has recently been added about the rats, which needs to be fixed, since the last Agar/Drummond paper concludes,

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Thanks Callenecc (talk · contribs). Barney the barney barney (talk) 12:15, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks Darkwind (talk · contribs). It is, to be fair, a pretty pointless nomination, as he clearly meets WP:PROF, despite the inaccurate assessments of Dodger67 (talk · contribs) and Aggie80 (talk · contribs). Barney the barney barney (talk) 22:08, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Nothing currently in the article indicates that he meets WP:PROF. Which criterion does he meet? As it stands, this is a crystal clear A7 situation, because nothing in the article indicates why this person is significant compared to any other professor. —Darkwind (talk) 22:12, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I know. I'm sorry, it's difficult to patrol new pages. And I'm in a bit of a silly mood and likely to twinkle ostriches. He's in Who's Who though which is pretty much gold plated. There's also a bit more if you google it. Note that a professor in the UK is more prestigious than a prof in the US too. I think I do have a clue. Barney the barney barney (talk) 22:18, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

chair

If he's chair, you should put that and a source for your information in the lead section of the article. You might want to gather sources and use the article wizard to guide you through the creation process. Dloh cierekim 22:21, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

More of a sofa really. Barney the barney barney (talk) 22:24, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

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I couldn't believe this and had to check. I've learned that reverting any material, not just the same material, counts towards the 3RR bright line thing. In my naivete, I didn't know this before. It's a damn shame though, particularly as the edits concerned were removing woolly thinking. --Roxy the dog (resonate) 05:16, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Mark Arsten (talk · contribs) - made a mistake. Thought I'd only reverted Alfonzo Green (talk · contribs) 3 times, but being a sneaky little sod he had reverted earlier attempts to whitewash this article. Of course if admins had pulled their collective fingers out and enforced WP:ARB/PS on Alfonzo Green (talk · contribs) and his fellow anti-Wikipedia editors, this wouldn't have been a problem would it? Barney the barney barney (talk) 10:08, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Also, thanks to Hasteur (talk · contribs). Barney the barney barney (talk) 10:11, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

And not forgetting Roxy the dog (talk · contribs). Barney the barney barney (talk) 10:20, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

And IRWolfie (talk · contribs) (who's been hounded off by the inability of admins to extract digit as well), and Vzaak (talk · contribs) who also wants them to extract digit and Jzg (talk · contribs) who having told the pro-Sheldrake SPA editors "don't be so stupid as to try to claim that this isn't fringe"...- and they promptly did just that. WP:AE is required I'm afraid, starting with the SPAs. Barney the barney barney (talk) 20:28, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Barney, my attempt to persuade Mark Arsten to unblock you has come to nothing. I have a question for you; do you know if Red Pen is really gone for good? 76.107.171.90 (talk) 21:20, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks 76 (who is not 74). Don't worry about me being blocked. I have no idea whether TheRedPenOfDoom (talk · contribs) has done an IRWolfie (talk · contribs), although I could try to email him. There is quite a high casualty rate amongst editors trying to enforce WP:FRINGE. It is very difficult to reach consensus with people who are simply not competent enough to edit. And the powers that be simply aren't interested in enforcing WP:FRINGE, but rather take the view that there are two sides in every dispute equally wrong, when related to "fringe" issues this simply isn't the case. Barney the barney barney (talk) 21:36, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

FYI, I have not been editing due to a holiday and computer issues. The holiday is over, but the computer issues remain so I will probably not be very active till those get worked out. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:40, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

I’m 76 damn it! If I was 74 I would have written at least 8000 words of completely incoherent gibberish.

Seriously though, I find the current situation quite disconcerting. Historically the pro-Wikipedia editors are supposed to win because the rules favor them. However if the administrators won’t enforce the rules then the pro-Wikipedia editors might as well not have the rules on their side at all. Are you really going to take Alfonzo to WP:AE? And do you need any help? 76.107.171.90 (talk) 21:56, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Not going to discuss strategy publicly as people are watching. Log in and email me. Barney the barney barney (talk) 22:02, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Sorry Barney, but the whole “editing from an IP thing” is a matter of personal philosophy. It’s my own way of saying “consider my words, not my reputation”. I’ll try to figure out if there’s anything I can do non-collaboratively instead. 76.107.171.90 (talk) 22:49, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

You don't need to edit logged in, you just need to drop me an email. Barney the barney barney (talk) 22:51, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

It has taken me this long to figure out some of what is happening. I'm changing my thinking from 3RR to 3EE from now on. I'm going to try to get my email working, so don't do anything drastic like has been going on elsewhere. Thank you. --Roxy the dog (resonate) 09:17, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

So, I started compiling a list of diffs to be used against Alfonzo and BlarneyBallocks in a WP:AE when I had second thoughts. In looking over all the incidents associated with Sheldrake I’ve noticed that any effort to improve the article is a fight against fringe pushing retards AND administrators. I’ve also noticed that a number of articles have been converted into pro-fringe propaganda and have stayed that way. If Sheldrake’s merry morons want to pack his article full of bullshit then perhaps we should let them. After all, the internet is full of misinformation, but obvious misinformation is the least dangerous kind. If the Sheldrake article can’t be true, then it’s probably best that it be glaringly false so that it won’t deceive anyone. I think I’m done following the Sheldrake article. 76.107.171.90 (talk) 16:02, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

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In particular, please stop casting aspersions of misconduct against others, see my comment in the recent AE thread. Sandstein 16:30, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Sandstein (talk · contribs) - I'll know not to cast any more dispersions against editors. Barney the barney barney (talk) 16:33, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Aspersions, not dispersions... but thanks for your understanding. Sandstein 16:42, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

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Well, what can I say? One who falsely accuses others of being bullies is obviously a bully themselves. I think David owes you and Red Pen an apology, and I’m clearly not afraid to express that sentiment. 76.107.171.90 (talk) 21:48, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

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"understand that WP:FRINGE should apply to this page"

We agree. It should. For scientific claims. As opposed to, say, claims like "Sheldrake has two kids", which is methinks absolutely *not* subject to WP:FRINGE restrictions.

But does it apply to Sheldrake's brief time with Sufism, a topic which is not highly-respected in the top quintile of serious academic really scientific publications? Or instead, *just* to phytomorphology, quantum physics qua quantum physics, and similar scientific fields of inquiry? The reason that creation science is FRINGE, and that Theories of Muhammad in the Bible is not fringe, is because one is making scientific claims, whereas the other is making theological claims, and attempting to editorialize by dubbing the latter 'pseudoarchaeology' so as to delete otherwise-perfectly-Reliable-Sourced material and keep only *really* lowercase-reliable sources, does not fly.

That is where we disagree methinks. WP:FRINGE does not apply to the man's religion, and WP:MEDRS does not apply to his Reliably-Sourced job title (contrast with lowercase-reliability which is totally unrelated). Anyhoo, methink you may have heard this before <grin> ... although these metaphors are new. Main point I dropped by to mention was, thanks for leaving David a nice note. He's very frustrated right now, as most everybody is. I wish arbcom had taken the case, instead of kicking the can down the road, but whatever. David was especially unhappy with TRPoD, and of course TRPoD is especially unhappy with *me* because they value concise edits so highly. But it was not TRPoD's fault that David left, they were just the straw to David's camel, and if you don't mind, please leave TRPoD a nice note in my stead. Or not, WP:REQUIRED applies as usual. :-) Thanks, talk to you later. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 17:51, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

While, we're going rambling off topic, my opinion is that the religion articles should describe accepted objective scholarly work in this area, mainly by sociologists of science, and historians. No doubt that this will upset some people who hold religious beliefs not supported by evidence. Those who hold such beliefs tend to be remarkably ignorant about their providence (edit:) and remarkably certain of their correctness. However, this is a biography of a person who claims to be a scientist. I sense TheRedPenOfDoom (talk · contribs)'s frustration, which is entirely understandable when people repeatedly (a) won't listen (b) try to weasel out of policy. My point to David in DC (talk · contribs), is the vast uncrossable gulf between Sheldrake's fans, and the consensus formers, is actually his views are broadly within the consensus formers, and then Iantresman (talk · contribs) shouldn't be including them within the anti-WP:FRINGE, anti-Wikipedia editors. It's those anti-Wikipedia editors which cause so much frustration for good editors when the admins refuse to pull their fingers out of their collective arses and actually deal with it. The German Wikipedia approach needs considering. If we were on the German Wikipedia we wouldn't be having this conversation because in true Germanic tradition they shoot first and ask questions later, and kill the anti-Wikipedia editors before they have a chance to breed. Barney the barney barney (talk) 18:59, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

I disagree about the religion-thing (the FTN regulars are split 50/50 on the question... but most of wikipedia is against letting serious mainstream academic professional scientists wipe all on-wiki religion except for debunking-thereof). I of course disagree that enWiki should be deWiki, for obvious reasons, and am fighting as hard as I can to keep it from happening. WP:FLAGGED has gone from 0.01% to 0.02% of mainspace during 2013, and is accelerating, so I better hurry up. In general though, while I wish you would stop lashing out and calling everybody who annoys you "anti-wikipedia", I agree 100% with your assessment of the cause of the frustration. It is the sides. You are extremely good at sourcing, and that is mostly because of your passion for your side. Iantresman is also good at sourcing, for the same reason (passion for his side). WP:NICE is supposed to keep you two from frustration... but more importantly, NPOV is *supposed* to mean that you both have your say -- strictly via the WP:RS you can find -- in mainspace. WP:FRINGE is a huge win for the SkePOV: it allows elimination of Journal-of-Sasquatch-Believers.

Trouble is, you and jps and the other FTN regulars are trying to push too damn far, and use WP:FRINGE as an excuse for deletion of the BBC, and psychologyToday, and so on. If allowed to stand, sooner or later all of wikipedia would be like that. "Jesus is a totally made-up fictional character, with miraculous powers, almost exactly like Obi Wan Kenobi." But long before that point ever came, http://wikipedia.org server-farm will have been taken offline. Gotta draw a line in the sand: medical & hard-science claims, only. This is not the right historical moment for the truimph of rationalism, and wikipedia has to reflect the shoddy state of affairs in the now, it cannot be the vehicle for driving-by-cudgel the world into a new age of enlightenment. WP:CGTW is something I just found today. But if that's not black enough, you should try Bishzilla's masterpiece, WP:OGTW, which seems written specially for little ol' moi. Hope this helps, thanks for improving wikipedia, and find some off-wiki outlet for your frustrations dammit so you can keep improving it. :-) Sandstein is a ~~redacted~~ very strict yet discerning person, but they're usually correct... speaking of which, I have to go apologize over there, for posting my 1800 words screed at AE, which they promptly and correctly deleted... such are the trials of the wikiverse. Talk to you later. — 74.192.84.101 (talk) 07:36, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

You know what, 74. I can't fix Wikipedia all by myself. I am not a Biblical scholar, it simply isn't my area of expertise, and although I have some interest in it, and I suggest probably a better general knowledge and understanding than many Christians. Many of the Biblical scholars of course, if religious, are intelligent enough to have a philosophical-based belief system that doesn't prevent them from objective reasoning. However, for Wikipedia editing on this subject, I personally have no interest. Maybe I should get myself a copy of the Oxford Annotated Bible, but WP:YOUCANTDOITALLYOURSELF. What I have tried to do is to fix the Rupert Sheldrake article. It is but a small part of the big picture. If every diligent editor fixed a small part, then the Wikipedia world would be a better place. Yes, I am good at sourcing. It isn't rocket science though. You just need access to the right resources, hidden behind paywalls that can be got behind by using a library card, or phone a friend, and by being systematic. Barney the barney barney (talk) 11:41, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

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Well, at least it makes me feel a little better to know I wasn't the only one annoyed by the way it was closed. Warm regards. Msnicki (talk) 00:01, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

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I don't see any reason to include "Sir" in the article title - and can't see anything in WP:NCPEER to justify it - so have moved him to the plain name. Did you have a particular reason? PamD 23:13, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

It is part of his name, it is not a title like "Dr" or "Mr" or "Professor". Barney the barney barney (talk) 23:15, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Ref yr recent msg: if it is a page with just one line, that was a mistake: I meant Show Preview, but Fat Fingers hit Save instead. Am engaged in writing article now, so delete one-line page as an error, so long as it doesn't compromise 'the real' entry that I'm still in the middle of doing, complete with refs., etc. Protozoon (talk) 00:22, 22 December 2013 (UTC) Sorry, re-read yr. msg.: Do not delete, as I am still actively writing. The save was premature & error: check back in 1 hour and review for me! Protozoon (talk) 00:25, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

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Walter Long

I see you made [edit] regarding his life span. Do you have a source, so i (or you) can add it into the article? Thanks.Ujkrieger (talk) 20:37, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

1858, St. George Hanover Square, London seems to be the overwhelming favourite. Barney the barney barney (talk) 22:31, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Disingenuous

Considering your past comments to me, I consider your "Thank you" posts disingenuous. Please find a different way to amuse yourself. Tom Butler (talk) 17:37, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Is there a year-end surge in unpleasantness? It's everywhere! But who knew that even saying thank you would make anyone angry enough to complain on your talk page. What's next? Say thanks again and get templated with a stop sign? What happens if you barnstar them? Msnicki (talk) 19:01, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) you have to remember that Tom thinks differently to most of the rest of us. --Roxy the dog (resonate) 19:06, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Barney,the you are misusing the "Thank you" tool to harass me. Now you have followed the unwise advice of editors who have nothing to lose here and did it again. You have already established a pattern of this in the derisive tone you have used with me in the past. If it is your intention to continue to poke at me, I will have no choice but to as for help with your Harassment of me. Tom Butler (talk) 22:39, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Tom Butler (talk · contribs) - tell you what, ask for harassment and I'll raise you a topic ban on your favourite/only subject. Barney the barney barney (talk) 22:41, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. Go for the topic ban if you can. It will give me a good opportunity to seek protection from your childish behavior. Tom Butler (talk) 22:58, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

I'd tend to agree Tom Butler (talk · contribs) - if you're not being disruptive, and you seem to be valiantly self-restraining presently (albeit moaning while doing it), then I shouldn't really have any reason to talk to the best qualified (BEng no less and don't forget to question the credentials of others), most important aetherologist in the world (self-appointed). Barney the barney barney (talk) 23:11, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Okay, let's try to reset this before we waste more time. Every time you use the "Thank you" tool, I have to go and try to figure out why. After a while, it is just irritating. At the same time, I understand you think I am on the wrong side of issues, and evidently that you can neutralize me by exposing my potential conflict of interest. You already know what I think of your side, so perhaps we are even.

Let me propose a truce by offering you a year membership in the association I co-direct. We publish a quarterly NewsJournal that you may find entertaining, at least. My idea is that you will learn a little about a different perspective at no risk to you, and at the same time, see that I am just a reporter.

If you are interested, either send me an email or contact me via our contact page. All I need is an email address, as the NewsJournal will come to you via PDF file. Tom Butler (talk) 01:16, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Sheldrake

Not sure if you noticed, but your revert here was only three minutes over 24 hours, so it still counts as a 1RR violation. There is no basis for claiming an exemption there either, so you should self-revert.--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 22:17, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Indeed you should, I was just coming here to say the same thing. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 23:07, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Has the traditional Xmas truce extended into something more? Roxy the dog (resonate) 08:17, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

paywalls , and the math of diligence

(( old talkpage-section got archived before I replied so here's a new one )) Interlibrary loan is definitely a Good Thing™ but I recently heard about WP:RX. Strangely enough, it is not a place to get prescription drugs, but stands for "resource exchange". There are some experienced editors that the WMF pays to give Questia and other paywall access — you can apply to be one of the recipients of such access, or more importantly, you can just request that somebody who already has access give you an assist. I haven't tried it, so I cannot vouch for whether it beats I.L.L. in terms of speed/convenience, but it definitely beats paying. HTH.

p.s. WP:YOUCANTDOITALLYOURSELF^{[citation needed]} ;-) But yes, you are 100% correct. However, when you say this, I differ: "If every diligent editor fixed a small part, then the Wikipedia world would be a better place." That's true, of course. But what I'd rather see, than our current 30k diligent persistent The Right Stuff editors who can weather nearly any storm, is to have 3M always-lazy sometimes-sloppy editors that are still each individually a net positive in their overall contributions. Even if they only contribute a couple of net-positive changes to mainspace per weekend, that's 25M improvements per month... aka the equivalent of everybody we have today *each* consistently hitting 800+edits/mo net-positive to mainspace. There are only 10% of our active editors that manage even 100+edits/mo, and most of that is *reverts* (necessary but definitely not net-positive).

If we want to hit 3M active editors, the key is WP:NICE, and that means changing the wikiculture from battleground, back to strictly sticking to the sources, the old-school WP:NPOV of circa 2003... fully including journalists, from NewRepublic-despite-retraction to the BBC-despite-no-actuated-right-of-reply. (Daily Mail is borderline methinks. ;-) Would that mean the end of WP:MAINSTREAM? Yup, there simply aren't 3M folks that would support it, methinks. But would it mean woo-pushing everywhere? No... as long as we recruit the *right* 3M folks, from the 500M readers wikipedia has every month, life would get a lot easier on FTN, and WP:MEDRS and WP:FRINGE-for-hard-science-only would get vastly stronger, because we would have roughly one editor per article, rather than one editor trying hard to keep up the quality in over 100 articles, all by themselves.

TLDR, my resolution is to investigate human cloning, and send forth a commando army of David_in_DC, David_in_NC, David_in_SC, David_in_KC, David_in_HK, David_in_BC, David_in_OC.... mwuahhahahahaaa! :-) On that note, happy new gregorian proleptic era, talk to you later. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 05:03, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

And there was me thinking this conversation was over and archived... Barney the barney barney (talk) 11:03, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

THE CAMBRIDGE APOSTLES

Barneyx3, can you help with improving this article please as there are only 75 articles out of over 300+ members Barney? There MUST be a lot more articles on Wikipedia that can be linked to this article - I can provide a list of names, if that would help you Sir? Best wishes, Martin.

2.24.32.43 (talk) 19:05, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

BARNEYx3, I HAVE STARTED BUT I WILL NEED YOUR HELP; I AM ADDING THE OTHER 66(?) BACK IN NOW! 2.24.32.43 (talk) 19:31, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

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THE LIST OF FORMER MEMBERS

IT STILL NEEDS A LOT OF WORK DOING ON IT AS THERE ARE ONLY 75 ARTICLES OUT OF 300+ MEMBERS, SO THERE ARE A LOT OF EXISTING ARTICLES THAT CAN BE LINKED; IF ANYONE IS PREPARED TO DO THIS, I CAN SUPPLY LISTS HERE, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY GET THE WHOLE THING CHECKED BY A WORLD-CLASS EXPERT, Martin 2.24.32.43 (talk) 20:39, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

ps BARNEY, I LOVE YOUR WORK ON WIKIPEDIA BUT THE CURRENT LIST* IS 'RUBBISH', TAKE MY WORD FOR IT!

I CAN LITERALLY SUPPLY YOU WITH A SHED-LOAD OF OTHER ARTICLES THAT CAN BE LINKED TO IT? MARTIN 2.24.32.43 (talk) 20:39, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

OK, but the grave photos must go, the list should be formatted chronologically without headers, and the list as it stands now should be archived onto the talk page. Barney the barney barney (talk) 20:49, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Images of graves are now removed; the current list (now in alphabetical order) is incomplete, inaccurate, and out-of-date; I have sent the list to an author of a book of the Apostles who I am going to meet at Wolfson College in April, but I need your help in adding links to other articles. I can send your a list of all 232 other members NOT listed, quite a few of whom have existing articles which are NOT linked to this article but they need to be. Best wishes Barney. Martin 2.24.32.43 (talk)

OK BUT LET'S IMPROVE THE LIST FIRST BY ADDING A LOT MORE LINKS TO EXISTING ARTICLES BARNEY? HOW CAN I BEST PROVIDE IT TO YOU AS YOU ARE THE IDEAL CANDIDATE FOR SUCH AN EXERCISE BARNEY? MARTIN 2.24.32.43 (talk) 22:07, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

The Cambridge Apostles exercise : + 17 FOR A to E

Thomas Ainger (1820)
Arthur Balfour (186?)
Francis Maitland Balfour (1875)
Gerald William Balfour (1872)
Theodore Beck (1881)
Hugh Blackburn (1844)
Joseph Blakesley (1827)
John Butcher, 1st Baron Danesfort (1873)
Samuel Henry Butcher (1871)
Arthur John Butler(1865)
Henry Montagu Butler (1853)
William Dougal Christie (1836)
William K. Clifford (1866)
Arthur Clough (1883)
James Hamilton Doggart (1919)
James Duff Duff (1884)
Sir Howard Elphinstone, 3rd Baronet (1851)

Barney3, can you check and improve these original articles to add 'Apostles membership' please?

Also "Cambridge Apostles" list of former members needs their descriptions added, please? Martin

RSVP! 2.27.132.2 (talk) 11:57, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

ps More to come later on today...

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Arnold Kettle

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Good luck! 2.27.132.2 (talk) 21:55, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Still fighting the fringe?

Hey Barney, I have a question and you seem like the man to ask. I was over at Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Lab and I noticed that the article was nothing but a puff-piece for PEAR. I searched through its history but there does not appear to be any legitimate version of the article to revert to. The current version of the article contains no encyclopedic content, and I’m probably never going to find the time to give the article the intense editing it would need to bring it in line with WP:FRINGE guidelines. Frankly, there’s nothing in the article that’s worth saving. I was going to change the page into a redirect to Parapsychology, but it occurred to me that that might be considered excessively bold. In your experience as a Wikipedia editor do you think it would be appropriate of me to change an un-encyclopedic puff-piece into a redirect or am I likely to run afoul of some obscure policy about the use of redirects? Thanks. 76.107.171.90 (talk) 22:22, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Take is to WP:FRINGE/N first then see what their views are. Presently no independent references so AFD might be appropriate. Barney the barney barney (talk) 22:25, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Barney. 76.107.171.90 (talk) 22:30, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

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A kitten for you!

Why did you remove my edit after asking me to add information about importance?

WesterlyRider (talk) 17:55, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

If you think the LIFX article is crap why not just tell me? I created it as my first article and would appreciate you convincing me to delete it myself rather than having you argue (wrongly) about how it isn't in agreement with WP:NCORP, which it totally is. I don't get it.WesterlyRider (talk) 18:11, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Robert McLean

Just a courtesy note that I will revert your edits to this redirect. If you've written another article of a person who has the same name, you can choose to sort this out via a WP:Hatnote, or you can convert the redirect to a WP:Disambiguation page. But to simply redirect it to your new article is not the thing to do. If you are lost and need a hand, just say so. Schwede 66 21:34, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

There isn't another person with the same name. Barney the barney barney (talk) 22:01, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Ezbob

Hello Barney (I am not sure this is the right place to answer your contact, but couldn't find a better place)

I created a new page titled 'Ezbob' today which you tagged for deletion. I am sure this is an oversight on my part, but thought the page was not unambiguously promotional, because it lists an important developer of online e-commerce and focuses on their contribution in developing an online financing system, rather than promoting their brand. It is identical to other existing Wikipedia pages, which is why I thought it fit for publication: Kabbage, iwoca

Please advise if you still think it is inappropriate, and how I can correct it.

Thank you, Asaf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asafbraverman (talk • contribs) 23:07, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

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A page you started (List of women in Female Biography) has been reviewed!

thanks b-b-barney. this is my first big project. i know it needs more links! but i wanted to get the page up in advance of the [and Feminism meet-up] on Feb. 1st. lots more work to do. K.Grey (talk) 22:47, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

(presumably) Julian Merghart

Hi,

I have a right to create my own wikipedia page, because I am a human being. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.93.28.217 (talk) 22:06, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

No you don't, per WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. Don't worry though - if you're notable enough a fan will create an article. Barney the barney barney (talk) 22:11, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Derek McGee

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Proposed Deletion of Sewanee Elementary School - Disagree

You proposed that Sewanee Elementary School be deleted without giving any meaningful reasons. I disagree as the School played a significant role in the history of desegregation in Tennessee during the 1960's. A Tennessee Historical Commission marker has been placed at the school to that affect. This is explained in the article.

Also, it would be helpful you could explain exactly who you are and why you are taking such unilateral decisions.

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Kurt Wegener

thanks for your comments.

I was trying to fuigure out how to make an English page from de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Wegener‎

Do you have any suggestions?

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You might have missed on the RfD I did actually !vote to delete it. I agree that it is nonsense and all the sources point back to his one article in New Scientist, and you are right to assume good faith and thank you for that, I did check all the references I could find, which were not many, but you can't say "He's a fraud and a liar" on Wikipedia. He is, but you can't say it. Oops I just did. Si Trew (talk) 00:00, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

LADY CAROLINE JEBB

In her will, Lady Jebb left directions that her body should be cremated and the ashes sent to Cambridge, to be buried under Sir Richard's tombstone.

2.30.207.107 (talk) 20:46, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

She may well have done, but it wasn't executed. Her grave is in Pennsylvania, and is even on one of the US genealogy sites. Also, this isn't in the Guardian/Observer. I know this because I've checked the Guardian archives, which is clearly more than you have done. Barney the barney barney (talk) 22:05, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

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I don't want to get into non-topical issues on the article's talk page, so I'm posting here. I felt your input was not constructive to the discussion and misrepresented my argument.

I didn't say anything about Sheldrake's intelligence, the perception of his intelligence, the indication quotes might give about his intelligence or anything remotely connected to what you call transparent stupidity. In fact the replacement quote I sought out to build consensus said almost the same thing, the only difference being the context warranted it. I was discussing the context of the quote indicating a different meaning than the way it was used in the article, a normal and appropriate concern for any sourcing, as well as the fact that the very same quote was used in its entirety further down the page.

I don't know what you were referencing in your comment, I'm not sure if it's a case of not reading my arguments or if you're trying a to apply a canned response to a situation it doesn't fit, but please try to keep talk page comments respectful and pertinent. The Cap'n (talk) 18:34, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

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Archaeology, You Say?

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Software Engineering Society

I am working on this and soon it will contain data. M. Adnan Khadim 11:10, 22 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madnank (talk • contribs)

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What

Why are you adding stuff to an archived ANI thread? Nobody removed your comment from the original thread; they're just removing your addition to the archive, which doesn't belong there. vzaak 20:20, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Censored, and now blocked for undoing censorship.

To clarify - it wasn't 3RR because the edits were vandalism. My comments on the behaviour of others were being removed, they should be reinstated. Barney the barney barney (talk) 20:28, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

The censored text was as follows:

Askahrc (talk · contribs) - you make this sound like it's a bad thing. What's so bad about implementing Wikipedia's policies, and doing research into the subject? The sanctions were against WP:SPAs who didn't want to comply with policies. You either need to demonstrate that the article is not compatible with those policies, or reach consensus about changing the policies. Good luck with either of those. Barney the barney barney (talk) 00:41, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I do not see what the problem is with this. Barney the barney barney (talk) 20:29, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Barney, you know that the issue is edit warring and inserting content into "closed" archive discussion. There is no "censorship". There is "what were you thinking?" -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:33, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

I protected the page at about the same time as the block was applied. BtBB, an archive is a record of a previous conversation. Once it's archived, it's over. If you felt the need to resurrect the thread, you could do that, though I can't imagine what benefit there would be in that. Anarchy will soon prevail if we keep continuing discussions in archives. How about we all agree to leave the archive alone, as is, you can be unblocked, and I can unprotect the page? --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:35, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

So if it's closed, why are Liz (talk · contribs) and Askahrc (talk · contribs) editing it? Barney the barney barney (talk) 20:36, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Is this a trick question? They're removing your addition to a closed discussion. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:37, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

OK, well, I've got to leave for a while. If BtBB agrees to the suggestion above, I'd recommend an admin undo everything and we go back to Wikipedia's normal background level of dysfunction. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:45, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

I've made the suggestion multiple times to BtBB, that it can be resurrected at ANI. I don't quite understand the need to add information to an archive where people aren't likely to see it anyway unless they're searching for it, as opposed to bringing it to ANI itself where it will be made very public. My suggestion (and warning) was just deleted. I don't know if this is a case of WP:IDHT or an attempt to rile people up, or what. If BtBB wants to follow suggestions to take the matter to ANI I'll be happy to unblock. Or if there's just an acknowledgement that archives aren't supposed to be messed with and a promise that they won't be trying to do it again. Otherwise the block will expire in a couple of days, and hopefully they'll just go back to regular editing. If there's a specific dispute with a particular person, or group of people, I'm happy to try to moderate a solution too. -- Atama頭 21:26, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Atama, I think it's simply that Barney wanted to have the last word in that discussion, whether anyone saw his comments or not. But, as far as I know, it's only cool to edit ones own user talk page archives and especially not mess with ones for noticeboards like AN, AN/I or ARBCOM. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:41, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Askahrc

Hey Barney, I had a long and totally unproductive talk with Askahrc complete with silly insults and vulgar rhymes. He’s worked himself into quite a state and is totally impervious to all my attempts to reason with him. At this point he’s so overcome with fringe furor that he seems ready to embark on an Iantresman-style crusade.

Vzaak’s action against him doesn’t appear to be going anywhere fast, so I suspect that Askahrc may yet trouble you again. I don’t know what his next move will be, but I advise you to be weary. The fight over the Sheldrake page may not be over. 76.107.171.90 (talk) 05:25, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

76.107.171.90, this is a borderline personal attack on Askahrc. It's insulting and dismissive. You should be encouraging cooperation and consensus-building, not battleground behavior. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:13, 27 February 2014 (UTC) (trolling removed). Barney the barney barney (talk) 18:53, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

First off, 76, the silly rhymes and insults were all on your end. Secondly, I had nothing to do with Barney's blocking, I tried to warn him about editing the archive, but he chose not to listen. I didn't weigh in with any admins or anything of the kind, that was their deal. The Cap'n (talk) 18:36, 27 February 2014 (UTC) (this is rubbish). Barney the barney barney (talk) 18:53, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

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Input needed

I have filed a complaint on the Wikipedia admin board on the issue of parapsychology. I would like your input. Thanks Goblin Face (talk) 03:20, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

ELLEN WORDSWORTH DARWIN, nee CROFTS

"Thanks to Barney, The Barney, Barney for finding Ellen Wordsworth Darwin, nee Crofts in GIRTON mate!" Can you now create an article for her please? See Find-A-Grave for her whereabouts. Martin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.198.4 (talk) 22:21, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Did you find her grave or just the church? Barney the barney barney (talk) 22:32, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Tom Butler

Tom Butler is being discussed at WP:AE. 76.107.171.90 (talk) 00:03, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Possible sock

I have a bad feeling 159.118.158.122 is a sock, look at his edits he's only posting on talk-pages to cause controversies and his style of writing shows he is familiar with Wikipedia editing. Goblin Face (talk) 16:06, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Probably, but he's not being especially disruptive, yet. Barney the barney barney (talk) 16:27, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

He is now [18] inserting the claim of "pseudoskepticism" in articles. Goblin Face (talk) 17:18, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

You will like this

Look who Fenwick is with [19] :) Goblin Face (talk) 16:51, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Why is that a problem? PhiChiPsiOmega (talk) 20:23, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Oh, my God! He's on my page now!!!

Barney, I have told you several times that I do not intend to cause trouble. Please stop putting me in categories of "WP:NOTGETTINGIT" or saying that I'm causing trouble on your page. I do get it. I just think you're wrong, and I have evidence as to why. I don't have conspiracy theories. I would appreciate it if we had better discussions than the ones we've been having for a while, thank you. PhiChiPsiOmega (talk) 20:25, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

PhiChiPsiOmega can you stop disrupting the parapsychology talk-page. You said you want to make a case then take it to the Arbitration Committee. Goblin Face (talk) 20:30, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for the likes; your take?

Hi, I was amused to see your series of likes; please have a go, then, re Wikipedia:Requests for comment/QuackGuru2. You endorsed jps' outside view, which said, among other things, that Wikipedia "would be better off if the two editors endorsing the RfC were banned from these topics" (said topics, I assume, being the areas where QG's conduct is indicted in the RfC; it's unclear). AFAIK, I've had virtually no interaction with you, but assume you must have reviewed my edits (and block log etc.), and those of Mallexikon (the other RfC endorser), or you wouldn't have endorsed such a strong statement. Apart from whatever objections you have to the RfC itself, can you explain why you believe Mallexikon and myself deserve to be topic-banned, and from which topics particularly? What have we done that's that bad? Maybe you can show me a couple diffs that are representative of whatever ongoing problems there are. I'd appreciate the feedback; I'm pretty sure Mallexikon would too! Thanks. --Middle 8 (leave me alone • talk to me • COI?) 17:30, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

I see no clearer case of WP:BOOMERANG. Also, please remember to sign your posts with four tildes like this: ~~~~ Barney the barney barney (talk)#

The problems have been continuing for a number of months now. The latest problems are being discussed at the talk page. There is push-back when I try to improve the article. QuackGuru (talk) 07:25, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Is Editing a Policy Violation?

Hi Barney. You deleted my posting to the Parapsychology page as vandalism and then wrote to me and said that I should review the WP:Fringe policy. I have reviewed that policy, and I don't understand how it applies to my edit.

I changed the article text to reflect the quotes that were already referenced in the article, and I provided the specific quotes that were referenced. I added additional references to clarify the information provided in the article. I changed a small amount of text to make it more generic and representative of the references that were provided. This is standard editing and was not meant to represent a point of view.

Is standard editing practice considered a policy violation? --Tunsa (talk) 14:54, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

You mischaracterise your own edits, probably deliberately. Barney the barney barney (talk) 15:04, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Please be specific. I was very specific in my editing submission. --Tunsa (talk) 16:57, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

You are also quite specific in mischaracterising it. Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:12, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

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GERAC

You haven't been active on this article, but we had a long and very careful discussion about two sources (Birch and He), both on Talk and at Talk:MEDRS. We determined they were FRINGE and got rid of them. ("we" - alexbrn, second quantization, and jps, and me, and 2 acupuncturists too!) they were tendentiously reinserted by quackguru, because they make points that he likes and cannot find elsewhere. Please undo your reversion and more importantly, please review the discussion and join us on Talk. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 20:22, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

in the meantime, someone reverted your reversion partially, but one of the sources remains in the article. I cannot do more due to 3RR. thanks. Jytdog (talk) 22:38, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

You claim someone reverted Barney the barney barney reversion partially, but one of the sources remains in the article. This edit was a full revert. One of the other sources remains in the article? The other sources in the article are not relevant to this content dispute. If you read the talk page there are editors who agree the journal is reliable for non-medical claims that are not in the fringe space. QuackGuru (talk) 06:30, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

they are both gone now, yes. Birch and He are now both back out. Sorry to have bothered you, barney the barney barney. Jytdog (talk) 11:03, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

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Your comments on Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement

I have left you a message on the page (in the uninvolved admins section) please read it. Also given the level of incivility and casting aspersions in your statement I am going to log a warning on the Pseudoscience case page. I don't know what you were thinking, but given the level I believe I would be justified in blocking you per this discussion however I'll do this instead with the understanding that you will refactor and provide evidence. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 22:59, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Callenecc (talk · contribs) - I was unaware of Wikipedia_talk:A/R#Conduct_at_AE. However, I firmly stand by everything that I've said, including the redacted comments about Liz (talk · contribs), who's so far managed to appear at the WP:AE of Tom Butler (talk · contribs), Tumbleman (talk · contribs), etc, etc, with supporting comments. It's quite clear she's anti-WP:FRINGE and anti-Wikipedia. This has been a clear long-term pattern of behaviour. Barney the barney barney (talk) 23:05, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

That's all very well for you to believe that, but you are still casting aspersions on an editor who isn't either the initiator or subject of the AE request. If you have evidence submit file an AE request regarding Liz. In any case you might want to have a look through your statement and get refactor some of your comments and provide a link to the community TBAN you referred to. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 23:10, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Article naming

I notice that you recently moved several articles to titles which include the honorific "Sir" (for example, Sir John Stallworthy) with the edit summary "undo petty and pointless move based on a profound misunderstanding of policy". I'm not the editor who moved these articles in the first place, but I also thought the convention was to exclude "Sir" in the titles of articles. The relevant guideline I've used is Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)#Titles and styles, although that does not specifically mention "Sir". I may well be misinformed on this, and would welcome any pointer to a discussion or guideline which covers it more clearly.-gadfium 02:03, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I've been pointed to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility)#British nobility, where point 4 says

"Titles of knighthood such as Sir and Dame are not normally included in the article title: e.g. Arthur Conan Doyle, not "Sir Arthur Conan Doyle" (which is a redirect). However, Sir may be used in article titles as a disambiguator when a name is ambiguous and one of those who used it was knighted, e.g. Sir Arthur Dean."

I assume therefore your point applies only to articles which would otherwise need a disambiguation term.-gadfium 20:42, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Please watch your tone, and review an editor's history before making such comments

Generally speaking a cited article with RS does not fall under the criteria of speedy deletion, you would use the PROD tag or AfD. Secondly do not use such tone when making a comment on my talk page. I was making a contest of the speedy. I understand plenty about Wikipedia and have been editing vastly longer than you have. Please read WP:Good faith. Thank you. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 23:01, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

What a plonker. Roxy the dog (resonate) 23:19, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Please assume WP:GOODFAITH and do not attack other editors or make disparaging remarks about them! Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:54, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

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"John Quelch" : Watch your tone, pls

Your remarks are appreciated but their tone is not. It is not appropriate to debate with other editors here like this. Wikipedia is not a forum for trash talk. Kindly, please mind your manners. Cheers. -The Gnome (talk) 01:35, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Looks like classic begrudged and ill-informed WP:DRIVEBYTAGGING. That is hardly ever constructive at all. Barney the barney barney (talk) 08:46, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Irrespective of what it "looks like" to you, your tone is inappropriate. And, judging by other comments above, "it looks like" that tone is following a pattern. I reject the nonsensical accusation of having a "grudge" against the subject of the article, an accusation which, please note, I take very seriously. The rest of your "commentary" is groundless.

As to your remark on the relevant page, "[how] can you advertise a person?", the issue is already covered in the relevant rule. For an example of an article whose subject is a living person getting deleted for "advertising or promotion", see here. For an example of a User page getting deleted on the same grounds, see here. -The Gnome (talk) 10:06, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

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Askahrc isn't topic-banned; you should correct your statement. vzaak 19:31, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

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Do you have a link to the topic ban? It's wanted on WP:AN. Guy (Help!) 23:34, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Arbitration

Hey Barney, since I cannot apparently edit Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case (despite being named as a party) would you mind posting my statement for me? It can be found here. Thanks. 76.107.171.90 (talk) 00:42, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for a great suggestion!

Your suggestion that I use "History of Parliament" online as a source for cites for the article Sir David Roche, 1st Baronet was very helpful. It's a great resource, and one I had never heard of. I'm sure I'll get great use out of it for future articles, too. Thanks very much! Rinne na dTrosc (talk) 03:00, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

ANI for your behavior

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 16:26, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

I look forward to the whistling WP:BOOMERANG hitting you in the face. Barney the barney barney (talk) 16:35, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Seeking collaboration - Chopra article and Fringe

Hello BBB - I get that your not a fan of Dr. Chopra and you probably have very passionate opinions about him and what he represents. I'm want to find what kind of productive conversation you and I can have about this issue. I'm assuming we have one thing in common, that is to find an uncompromising neutrality to what is obviously a very controversial article. If I'm not working towards the betterment of the encyclopedia, I'm not doing my job. So its very important to me to get this right.

You've mentioned a few times that I am not WP HEARING you or I am failing to misunderstanding something. Currently, I am seeking consensus on the opening sentence in a BLP. If you want me to understand you - please explain how the WP Fringe guideline influences the lead sentence in the article in a manner not already covered in BLP. I genuinely want to understand your thinking.

What are you concerns with listing Dr Chopra as an endocrinologist and a champion of integrative medicine and where are you willing to work towards a compromise with me? SAS81 (talk) 19:02, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

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L-Field

Can you help me redirect (not merge because there's nothing worth merging) the L-Field to the Harold Saxton Burr article. Do we need a consensus for this? Or should there be an afd for the L-field article? Either way it needs to go because the sourcing is terrible. I have expanded the Burr article. Goblin Face (talk) 22:39, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

...

Nobody can get an article about themselves deleted via OTRS. People can file a DMCA, but that's only if someone's using your copyrighted material. If that were actually the case, then people like Anders Behring Breivik could get their articles deleted if they felt that they didn't like the article about them. Not like any of that is relevant to the article at hand, though.

Finally, I've said it before, if you feel that a deletion is warranted, nominate it again. Stop beating the dead horse on the talk page whilst everyone else is trying to be productive. --benlisquare_T•C•E 16:31, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Also, if you want to make the same suggestion again, do it in your own new section. Let people who want to be productive, be productive in the photograph section, okay? --benlisquare_T•C•E 16:37, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

In summary: If you want the article deleted, nominate it for deletion. I have told you time and time again that you are free to nominate the page. If you can't muster up the courage to do that, don't trash up the talk page with complaint after complaint. It's irritating. It's annoying. It's not constructive. It's disruptive. It's beating a dead horse. --benlisquare_T•C•E 16:44, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

I was being productive. It is a perfectly valid point. Please don't vandalise my comments because you disagree with them. Barney the barney barney (talk) 18:54, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Nominate the article for deletion. Don't show up every two days moaning on the talk page, moaning about how much you wish the article was deleted. If you want to be productive, nominate the article for deletion. --benlisquare_T•C•E 01:42, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

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WP:BOOMERANG. Barney the barney barney (talk) 11:24, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

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Messy moves

Hi BBB
I moved the page "Union Medal" to the page "Union Medal of the British Ornithological Union". Article moves always create a mess so I cleaned up after me.

I created the page "Union Medal (disambiguation)".
I searched for articles that linked to the page "Union Medal". There were only two that had nothing to do with the South African military medal, and I edited both to disambiguate their wikilinks to the page "Union Medal". They are:
- The page "British Ornithologists' Union"
- The page "Ian Newton‎".
I created a new "Union Medal" article about the South African military medal.

Cleaning up the mess I created took me 26 minutes, including the time taken to check that all wikilinks and redirects worked correctly.
Then you came along and moved the new page "Union Medal" to the page "Union Medal of the South African military". This created a mess. I cleaned up after mine, please do the same. -- André Kritzinger (talk) 20:11, 8 May 2014 (UTC) ‎

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Religion-baiting vs. Religion-pushing

To make a totally unnecessary and inflammatory statement regarding the existence of God in an attempt to nay-say a DYK nomination, on the grounds that WP:IDONTLIKEIT, seems founded only on religious hatred. I don't see how you can say that to simply nominate a newly created biographical article about a theologian is "religion-pushing". I have opened up a thread on ANI for further review of your editing behavior. Ἀλήθεια 11:44, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

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I don't see a comment yet here saying this really clearly, and think that you might have missed the comment at the end of the previous thread, but Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Religion-baiting by User:Barney the barney barney is something you might want to comment about. And, FWIW, although I can and do acknowledge that several Christians, including some Christian editors here, seem to consistently have trouble with words of four letters or more, it probably isn't the brightest thing you could do to call all of us idiots or the like. Believe it or not, there actually are at least a few of us aren't really certifiably "impaired". Believe me, I know, as someone who works with a lot of the religion content, such editors can sometimes seem to be a small minority of the people who do edit here, but they do exist. Some of them might take serious offence at being labeled as bozos, which would, God help us, probably leave the religion content in the even more witless hands of some of the real fanatics. John Carter (talk) 18:40, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

FWIW, having seen some of your recent comments, in which you clearly indicate that you believe God is "something that doesn't exist," of course, if you have clear evidence of that, please produce it. Unfortuntely, pretty much by definition, without such evidence, all your comments really indicate is that you yourself have reached what others might call, well, "religious opinions," which honestly can reasonably be seen to fail the same standards of evidence that the "Jesus was an ET" argument fails. Honestly, a rational person would probably know that, particularly at DYK, if you can't really address the matter of the article or the hook rationally, you're probably better off not addressing it at all. Yes, I know that there are truly ridiculous ideas out there. The people who believe the ark of the covenant is buried under the Temple Mount in Jerusalem based on the eyewitness testimony of a dabbler in archaeology whose passport shows no evidence of his ever having been in Israel comes to mind. Otherwise, I think it would be in your own best interests to read WP:CIVILITY and other user conduct guidelines which verifiably do exist, and maybe make a bit more visible effort to indicate that you are aware of them. John Carter (talk) 19:21, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

@John Carter (talk · contribs) - there is clear evidence that God doesn't exist. Barney the barney barney (talk) 19:37, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Really? Here's something to think about, which, honestly, indicates that the only thing there is "clear evidence" of is your inability to adhere to basic guidelines regarding conduct and, in the comment above, proof. (1) Such "clear evidence" would have to address any and all interpretations of the concept, and given the wide number of variant ideas of god, that would be itself all but logically impossible. (2) "Evidence" is not the same thing as "proof", and no one with any familiarity with basic logic would equate them. There is "clear evidence" for a lot of things, including, in some cases, that something beyond what is accepted by science does exist. Evidence does not equal proof. (3) Where is that evidence? You have produced none. On that basis, the only thing there is clear evidence of is your own engaging in statements by personal fiat, or, basically, violating in a sense WP:OR regarding these categorical statements of yours. If you have such evidence, like I said above, show it. Alternately, all you really show is that you as an individual are incapable of providing the evidence you seek recourse to. (4) Lastly, your personal opinion, which, again, is made categorically without any attempt at providing any sort of evidence to back it up, is completely irrelevant to the matter at hand, specifically, DYK. Yeah, there could reasonably be seen to be "clear evidence" that Rupert Sheldrake's genitormorphic field doesn't exist too, but if someone wrote a good DYK hook on it, I think it should be considered. This is something I say as someone who has gotten about 50 DYK hooks so far. Superman doesn't exist either, but I wouldn't think that would disqualify a hook. So, (6) about the only thing you have provided "clear evidence" for in all the links I've looked at is a rather remarkable lack of awareness of basic conduct guidelines, and, dare I say, transparent bias. May I suggest, in all generosity, that you review the clear evidence regarding what is and is not acceptable conduct here. Otherwise, there is a very real chance that some more formal action regarding your conduct might be undertaken in the future, and there is a very real chance that you would not appreciate the outcome of such actions. John Carter (talk) 19:53, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

No, John Carter (talk · contribs) superman doesn't exist either. There is evidence for this too. Barney the barney barney (talk) 19:57, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Barney, thank you for providing clear evidence in the above comment of your own inability to read. I said, and I quote "Superman doesn't exist either..." There is now getting to be ever greater, accumulating evidence that your ability to engage in rational conversation is the thing which may not exist, based on the evidence of your comments. I once again urge you to read the conduct guidelines of this project, as the evidence of your conduct makes it rather clear you have little if any previous acquaintaince with them, and maybe do a bit more to indicate that the clear evidence of your own inability to read guidelines, or apparently much else, should not be taken into account and perhaps held against you. Now, I realize that this situation is basically one in which you, who seem to have a rather common, if obnoxious, predeliction to engage in off-topic insults when you are basically caught in a serious mistake, have to stonewall to avoid facing the reality of the unacceptability of your own conduct. Once again, if you were to acquaint yourself with the clear evidence of what is and is not acceptable conduct, you might be able to avoid facing some sort of problems in the future. Should you continue to provide further evidence of your own inability to read, of course, the likelihood of some sort of outside corrective action in the future is just likely to increase. John Carter (talk) 20:11, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Speaking of the above.... I'm putting together a little essay, presently on my userpage. I welcome your thoughts!! DeistCosmos (talk) 21:02, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

What an astonishing fuss about nothing for FSMs sake. -Roxy the dog (resonate) 21:56, 20 May 2014 (UTC)}

Thanks for your concern John Carter (talk · contribs) - yes I can indeed read, but it's a slight pity that what your brain tells you fingers to waggle doesn't make any sense, whatsoever. Your suggestion that I've been personally attacking anyone is a barefaced lie, and I suggest you withdraw it. Barney the barney barney (talk) 09:35, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello all sorry for being nosey, but I recommend this book. God: The Failed Hypothesis. Good day. Goblin Face (talk) 21:48, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. I haven't read it. I think people should also look at the theory of bicameralism as well. I think a lot of the atheist critics have done a great disservice by dismissing it. Viriditas (talk) 03:50, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

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"One swallow doesn't make a summer"

For fuck's sake, man, don't say "swallow". Won't somebody please think of the children! Sławomir Biały (talk) 16:03, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Unlisted AfDs

FYI, the creator of the Julie Homi‎ article piped up on WT:AFD wondering why the AfD on that article was never closed--turns out it was never listed on a daily log page. Another user relisted that debate, but I discovered (via this list) that another of your AfD pages, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Geoff Perlman (2nd nomination)‎ also wasn't listed. I've fixed that one and relisted it as well. Have a good day. --Finngall ^talk 06:05, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Correct. Barney, please follow WP:AFDHOWTO, or else nobody will see your nominations. Ansh666 10:50, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

1998

Hi. You are reverting a link which I restored. The link is to a biographical article. I realize that your personal POV is that article is "unimportant cruft", but, as you know, following a long debate, admin decided not to delete that article. Therefore the link should be restored unless or until the article is deleted in the future. Viewfinder (talk) 19:55, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Robert H. Lock

Can you please re-instate his deleted Wikipedia article, as previously requested? He is having a new ODNB biography written by a Cambridge Professor!

Robert Heath Lock, Assistant Director of the Peradeniya Botanical Gardens, in Sri Lanka, around 1910

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Can't find an article that was deleted (no Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Heath Lock). I can't find the ODNB entry - perhaps it hasn't been published yet? If or when you have sufficient sources you can make one from the existing redirect here. Barney the barney barney (talk) 15:19, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

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(talk page stalker)I was going to remove this, but then I thought no, it isn't my Talk page, and perhaps BBB wants to keep it as a badge of honour, and it is considered bad form to mess with somebody's talk page unless there is pure vandalism going on. This is just ignorance, so I left it. (sigh) -Roxy the dog (resonate) 13:30, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

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Re this. Even on the assumption that you are not making an indirect suggestion that I am motivated by inappropriate attraction to a minor, I would rather not be patronized and gagged by users who edit like this. I have as much right to edit an article and its talk page as anyone else. The article was upheld per WP:GNG. Nobody cited WP:PROF in its support. Viewfinder (talk) 05:40, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Retract that comment immediately.
Do not vandalise people's comments, especially those on your own behaviour.
You do not have a "right to edit an article"; it is a privilege reserved for those who are at least marginally competent. Barney the barney barney (talk) 09:13, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

OK, if you insist that you were not making an indirect comment about inappropriate attraction, then I am willing to accept that, even though that is how your comment came across to me. But the material that I deleted belongs not at the Barnett talk page, but on my talk page. Unless or until you can get your claim that I am incompetent upheld by admin, I am no less entitled to edit or comment on an article than you are. Given that I have made 4 edits to the article compared to User:Slawekb's 45, I am astonished by your allegation at ANI that I am trying to own it. Viewfinder (talk) 16:05, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

With this edit you called several editors "obsessed fanboys". Given that the subject of the article is a minor, that was a direct and extremely offensive comment about inappropriate attraction, and I take a very grave view of it. For personal reasons which I am not willing to disclose on this public website, I am not going to pursue the matter myself, but don't expect me to forget it. Viewfinder (talk) 02:46, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Fanboys is an entirely appropriate term for individuals who are undeniably entirely obsessed with unnotable minors. I could have deleted your absurd rant but that would be extremely infantile. I *never* withdraw valid comments as a matter of principal. But to clarify, I repeat my previous point that I have never accused anyone of paedophilia. Barney the barney barney (talk) 09:12, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

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Please be aware that I am entitled to remove material from my talk page and that WP:3RR does not apply to me in my own user space. It does, however, apply to other users. If you revert me in my own user space again I will report you. Viewfinder (talk) 10:03, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Actually Viewfinder (talk · contribs) - this wouldn't be the first time you've handed out a false warnings about 3RR in a passive-aggressive way would it?

I find your actions are extremely infantile and childish, but if you want to stick your fingers in your ears and go "na-na-na-na-na", that's your prerogative. Just don't pretend it's civil.

This is of course completely based on your unwillingness to acknowledge that the problem here is entirely down to your poor behaviour arising from your unhealthy obsession with a biography of a minor of no encyclopedic importance whatsoever and attempting to include in that biography puffery that is both bizarre and obviously false. Barney the barney barney (talk) 10:15, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

ViewFinder is correct that in general, users are allowed to remove material from their own talk pages. It doesn't matter why you think they removed it, the action is assumed to be proof that the user has read the material. Quoting from WP:TPO:

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Also reverting on one's own talk page is not considered edit warring per WP:NOT3RR, but repeated reverts on other user's talk pages is. --RacerX¹¹ Talk to me^{Stalk me} 12:36, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

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Barney, do you know how many people are included in Who's Who, who would not be classed as notable by wikipedia criteria? The figure is probably somewhere around 30-40%. For instance District judges in the UK. District judges are group 7 judges according to the judicial pay scale subordinate to the 600 Circuit Judges, 107 High Court judges, yet are all listed in Who's Who. For example (Frances) Jane McIvor: District Judge (Magistrates’ Courts), London, since 2001; Called to the Bar, Inner Temple, 1983; in practice on S Eastern Circuit; Actg Metropolitan Stipendiary Magistrate, 1998–2001. Chm., Connexional Discipline Cttee, Methodist Church, 2005–. Does anyone think (Frances) Jane McIvor is notable solely because she has been "independently assessed by notability experts at Oxford University Press as being notable"? I don't. Flaming Ferrari (talk) 17:09, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks Lixxx235 (talk · contribs) - perhaps you missed that he's been dead a short while, trifling really - I can see how you were confused. He's been dead for now merely twice the time now that he was alive (78 years) - so that's only 155 years (OK, I know 78*2 isn't 155, but my maths is still more accurate than your basic reading. WP:TROUT. Barney the barney barney (talk) 14:08, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Self-trout But still, AfDd. Sorry. Cheers, Thanks, L235-Talk Ping when replying 14:10, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

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The source is public domain. Thanks for checking that WP:BEFORE. Barney the barney barney (talk) 14:09, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

We all make mistakes sometimes Barney. I immediately restored it. Though, it will probably be re-deleted anyways due to the lack of sources and poor quality. Cheers, TLSuda (talk) 14:20, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

I think that assessment is about as intelligent as your initial assessment (which is to say, not exceedingly so). Barney the barney barney (talk) 14:25, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Civility?

Can you explain your edit summary in your revert of Special:Diff/621774029 please? If you want, I can get other diffs as well. Cheers, Thanks, L235-Talk Ping when replying 14:15, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Lixx235 (talk · contribs) - please learn to civilly engage your brain as a safety mechanism to prevent you doing silly things. Barney the barney barney (talk) 14:26, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

That is not an answer to my question. Could you please explain your edit summary in that revert? Thank you. Cheers, Thanks, L235-Talk Ping when replying 14:34, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Dear Lixxx235 (talk · contribs) - sorry for not asnwering your question. An "edit summary" is a summary of the edit. That is a summary is a short bit of text describing the changes made. It is entered in the box marked "Summary". I believe there is a summary of this atWP:EDITSUMMARY. If you have any other questions, please let me know. Thank you for your understanding, it is greatly appreciated. Barney the barney barney (talk) 12:19, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

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User lies to AN/I, gets me blocked

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Thanks DangerousPanda (talk · contribs) - that's extremely useful. Can you please identify what exactly were the "personal attacks"? And which AFD was "disrupted"? In general I follow a policy of apologising for things that I've done wrong so I'd like to know. Barney the barney barney (talk) 23:28, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh hang on, I've found it. To clarify, Bearcat (talk · contribs) has now added to his lies by making false allegations at WP:ANI. To clarify what happened, he wrote an AFD nomination that misrepresented the subject as only being a minor , and specifically mentioned the role of mayor. He made innuendo that the role of mayor was unimportant (which is technically true), but failed to mention that the gentleman was a long-time leader of the majority party on the council, and used inneundo to conflate the two unrelated. He also apparently omitted to conduct a WP:BEFORE search for sources because when such a search is performed a plethora of sources are to be found. When I politely pointed out this to him and gave him the opportunity to correct himself, he refused to do this, asserting things that are clearly not true to anyone with at least half a brain (that a leader of a party group is equally as important as a non-leader) and started to make personal allegations against me. He has now compounded his lies by writing further lies at WP:AN/I which have led a productive and editor of good character being blocked. WP:BOOMERANG should have applied to the petty vindictive request of a liar and a troll.

I stated it was my policy to apologise for things that I have done wrong. However, as I have done nothing wrong in this case, no apology will be forthcoming. Barney the barney barney (talk) 23:44, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

If any editor believes that the subject of an article does not indeed warrant an article, they are very welcome to raise an AFD. If their investigation shows the subject to be "minor", then that's their educated opinion. That does NOT make them a liar, and troublemaker, or anything else...it's their reading of the citations. Referring to "anyone with half a brain", and referring further to lies (wholly unfounded), and changing this section header to what you have is an obvious continuation of your personal attacks, and I'll be extending your current block accordingly. the panda ₯’ 23:59, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

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Nope, I'm sorry, you're the one who's misrepresenting the matter. As I pointed out, repeatedly, in response to your comments, WP:NPOL does not give greater weight to the "leader of a political party" at the city council level than it does to other city councillors — "garden-variety councillor" or "party leader", the person still has to pass WP:GNG by virtue of the quality of sourcing that has actually been provided. Whatever you think about whether the position is more notable in principle or not than a "garden-variety city councillor", Wikipedia's inclusion criteria for politicians do not grant the party leader a greater presumption of notability than the garden-variety councillor, if the quality of sourcing is not there to get him past GNG. I did not assert anything about the level of power that the leader does or doesn't have within the council's internal structure — I provided a completely accurate assessment of Wikipedia's inclusion standards for local politicians (no matter what role they held, they still have to pass GNG for it) which wasn't even remotely the same thing as what you're claiming that I said.

Secondly, I said nothing in the entire discussion that was in any way an allegation or personal attack against you. The worst thing I said about you at any point was that you were arguing with a strawman instead of with what I was actually saying, which is not an actionable comment (and you threw the word "strawman" at me too, so if it were an actionable comment you'd still be blocked right alongside me anyway.) You, on the other hand, called me an outright liar, which you're simply not allowed to do. And if you're allowed to characterize yourself as a productive editor of good character, then I'm allowed to point out that I most certainly have a reputation as a productive editor of good character as well — I've been around here since 2003, and do not have any sort of reputation as being a liar or a troll or a dishonest editor. (I've never once, for example, accumulated a single behavioral block in that entire time, not even a ten-minute timeout. If I were half as bad an editor as you seem to think, I'd have been banned years ago — but in reality, I'm actually a pretty well-respected contributor who's never once in an entire decade had to be formally sanctioned or disciplined with anything more than a minor "hey, you screwed up here, so be more careful about this next time, okay?")

Thirdly, I most certainly did do enough WP:BEFORE to be aware that the volume of available sourcing out there is not as strong as you're claiming; there are a fair number of reliable sources which mention his name in passing, but I did not a find a lot of sources which were about him in a substantive way. And at least one other commenter in the AFD discussion has also pointed out that they didn't find much substantive sourcing on a Google search either. And as I also pointed out, I am Canadian, and do not have access to the resources necessary to do a really comprehensive database search of past British media coverage — I can only go by what comes up on Google, and what I saw on Google was a lot of sources that just namechecked him in passing as a former councillor, and not a lot that actually constituted substantive coverage of his career while he was in office. If you think there are enough sources out there to get him over GNG, you're certainly more than welcome to find them and add them to the article — I said, right from the start, that the article could be kept if the sourcing were improved — but you're not entitled to just namecall and insult anybody who happens to disagree with you about the current state of the article.

And finally, just for the record, I asked for nothing in the ANI post except for somebody to review the situation and make their own decision about who was or wasn't at fault. I'm sure I would have been blocked or at least warned if Panda had read the discussion and decided that I was the one at fault, but that's not what happened. Bearcat (talk) 00:44, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Bearcat (talk · contribs) - thanks to your efforst I've been lbocked from editnig for the past 4 days. Bet you feel proud of yourself.

However, no, piling lies on top of further lies won't help your cause. You are clearly quite delusional, a calculating liar and should not be allowed to edit Wikipedia.

A leader of a council is more important than a non-leader. This is an indisuptable fact that you choose to ignore mostly because you're a complete idiot. Barney the barney barney (talk) 10:24, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Obviously I'm going to have to try this again: I said nothing at any point about whether a leader of a council was or wasn't more important than a non-leader in principle — I said that Wikipedia's inclusion rules for city councillors don't give the leader a greater entitlement to automatic inclusion in Wikipedia than the non-leader gets, and that regardless of whether the person is a leader or a non-leader of the council their entitlement to a Wikipedia article depends entirely on your ability to demonstrate that they have passed WP:GNG as an individual. Which is absolutely, unequivocally true as far as Wikipedia's inclusion policies go.

I never said anything about whether a leader of a council is more important than a non-leader is in principle — but Wikipedia's inclusion rules do not grant the leader a greater presumption of notability, in the absence of any substantive sourcing about him, than the non-leader gets. Leader or non-leader, a city councillor still has to pass GNG as an individual to qualify for an article on Wikipedia — and your point about the leader being more important in principle has no bearing on my entirely correct point, which was that Wikipedia's inclusion standards for politicians do not grant the leader of a city council a greater entitlement than any other city councillor gets to keep a poorly sourced article. My point began and ended with a completely accurate statement of what Wikipedia's inclusion standards for politicians do and do not accept as sufficient notability to warrant a Wikipedia article — I never, not even once, said anything even approaching what you're claiming that I said. And the fact that you repeatedly refuse to see the huge difference between those two things suggests far more about you than it does about me. You're absolutely free to believe that our inclusion standards should be different than they are, on the basis that the leader of the council is more important than a regular councillor, and you're absolutely free to try to pursue a consensus to add that to the notability guidelines as an NPOL-satisfying claim of notability — but you're not entitled to claim that someone is "lying" about whether a politician passes NPOL or not, if their argument is based on NPOL in its actual current form instead of some alternate version that exists only on your own personal wish list.

And also, again, I did not ask for anything from ANI except for an uninvolved admin to review the situation and decide for themselves how to handle it. I did not ask for you to be blocked; Panda made that decision on their own after looking at the situation with their own eyes and deciding for themselves what the appropriate response was to the matter. So as unfortunate as this may be for you, it's not my fault either. Bearcat (talk) 01:12, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

I've told you before, Bearact (talk · contribs) - piling new lies on top of old lies doesn't make the old lies less false. I hate to have to repeat this remarably simple fact to you . No, your "nomination" did not contain *any* coherent arguments to delete, just lies and innunendo. Anyone with half a brain (which excludes you and DangerousPanda (talk · contribs) should realise; you can't argue that x+y=x, where y>0, as you have tried to do. Repeatedly. And finally, yes, you did ask for me to get blocked merely by whinging about it to AN/I (and no doubt getting your pet admin to do the job for you). I predict that this will be sorted soon however.

Use of Sir prefix in article title

Hi Barney, jsut a polite request, in future could you refrain from using the title Sir (or Dame for that matter) in the title of new article creations. I have moved some of the articles you created previously such as Sir Robert McLean to Robert McLean (engineer). The only exception to the rule is Baronets, where it is generally correct to include their knighthood in the article title, as you correcly did with Sir Robert Pigot, 6th Baronet. Thanks Flaming Ferrari (talk) 14:41, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Flaming Ferrari (talk · contribs) - thanks for your message. I commit to using the correct name, (i.e. only the full name) in future. Barney the barney barney (talk) 12:21, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

In case it becomes relevant in future, I feel I should note that Flaming Ferrari (talk · contribs)'s advice is not consistent with the guidelines described at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility). Articles about knights and baronets should in most cases be titled simply with the subject's name, without "Sir" (or "Dame") at the beginning or "Nth Baronet" at the end. The exception is when that would be ambiguous with somebody else who has the same name but is not a knight/baronet, in which case the prefix (and suffix, for a baronet) may be added for disambiguation. (I have paraphrased and abridged the guidelines somewhat, so I recommend you to read them yourself and don't just take my word for it.) — Paul A (talk) 02:28, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Paul A (talk · contribs) - I would continue to only create pages with the correct title, but I've been infinetely clocked. Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:51, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks. Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:51, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Winston S. Churchill

This is NOT repeat NOT just a variant of Churchill's name.

It is very specifically his pen name - he adopted it to distinguish his books from those of the then much more famous (!) American novelist of the same name!!!!!

--Soundofmusicals (talk) 20:41, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

I do not dispute that. Unfortunately for you however, it is entirely irrelevant. Barney the barney barney (talk) 20:45, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

See Winston Churchill (novelist). The "S." occurs ONLY as a pen name - and is therefore only relevant at all in the context of the specific article dealing with Sir Winston as a writer. It is not entirely irrelevant to the "main" article, but it is clear where the primary relevance lies. Sorry about the tiny mind remark - uncalled for, of course. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 21:06, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Getting angry above about it doesn't change the undeniable fact that it needs to go to the main subject. You've also broken WP:3RR. And I hate musicals, especially the one with the singing nuns. Barney the barney barney (talk) 21:21, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Your love (or otherwise) of musicals has, of course, precisely the same relevance to this argument as your (or even my) anger, or even which one of us broke WP:3RR first. Winston Churchill as writer is in this instance the "main article" - since the redirect can only refer to that subject and has nothing whatever to do with the "main subject" of the other article, which is (very properly) primarily about his political career. Is this worth asking for arbitration? --Soundofmusicals (talk) 21:44, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Probably be better for you just to drop it. Barney the barney barney (talk) 21:54, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Reluctant to leave an error that reflects so badly on its perpetrator in place - so out of the purest kindness I am constrained to insist that the correct redirection remain when all the dust has settled. Unless an independent arbitrator deems otherwise, of course ... Actually, it would be better to have no redirect from Sir Winston's pen name at all (just delete the redirect altogether) than have it direct to an article (mostly) about his political career (a rather comprehensively unrelated subject). --Soundofmusicals (talk)

I have formally asked for arbitration on this one. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 00:20, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Oops - I don't dispute much, and I put my request for arbitration on the wrong page! On advice - I have redone this one to WP:3O. I don't think this one had anything to do with your blocking - hope not, anyway. In this instance I am being at least as sarcastic as you - this (for me at least) is good-natured banter - my only dispute with you is the question of where this redirect page should point! --Soundofmusicals (talk) 23:06, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

I have followed the 30 arbitrator's ruling and relocated this redirect to the original place. Sorry - I'm quite often wrong, but not in this case. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 01:18, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry to see you had to grab that brief window of opportunity to continue this edit war. I honestly thought better of you than that. Appreciate you feel passionately about this one, but could we have just ONE constructive argument on your side. He is simply NOT CALLED Winston S. Churchill anywhere but on the covers of his books. The "S" is not in fact a "middle initial" but part of his full surname (Spencer-Churchill), which again he never used in any other context. All you have said in reply is that this is not relevant - in what way is a pen name of an author not relevant to a discussion of his writings? Much MORE relevant - surely, than to a general discussion of his life, especially when certain aspects of that life are so very much more important. Anyway - if our "third opinion" had come out in YOUR support I'm sure that you would have been most indignant if I hadn't "accepted the verdict" - fair's fair. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 21:17, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Soundofmusicals (talk · contribs) - it takes a very special level of incompetence to redirect a page away from its obvious target, violate 3RR, personally attack people, post an incoherent moan on the talk page and complain about "ew, lack of arguments" - when the contrasted shambling irrelevancies of your so-called arugment" contrasts with the elegant simplicity and undeniable truthfulness of having the redirect to the main article - yet it seems that you have plumbed these depths of utter stupidity. Now, since I can't edit at the moment having been infinitely blocked due to the bahaviour of yet more other idiots, I require that you please point the page back to its correct target. Thanks for your understanding. Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:51, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry mate but do consider that everyone else might just be right here! Forgive me if I find you impossible to take seriously.--Soundofmusicals (talk) 21:30, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Soundofmusicals (talk · contribs) - kindly talk to me here as I can't edit other pages. People who fail to take me seriously will suffer the consequences. You do not seem to understand that I will achieve my aims, and you will not get in the way. Barney the barney barney (talk) 16:48, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

August 2014

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for continual, unabated violations of the no personal attacks policy you agreed to. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. the panda ₯’ 10:27, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

DangerousPanda (talk · contribs) - before I ask for unblocked, I ask politely that you undo your unjusitifed actions. Barney the barney barney (talk) 10:38, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

By your own admission, you have been consistently violating two key principles of Wikipedia: WP:AGF, and WP:CIVIL. A block is intended to be a last resort when someone refuses to follow the rules as they are laid out. The first block is supposed to be final part of the learning curve. Unfortunately, while blocked, and now AFTER your previous block, you continued down the same path of insults and ABF. As such, it's apparent you either a) cannot learn to act within the behavioural norms you agreed to on this private website, or b) you refuse to abide by those same norms. This block is for your continued behaviour outside the expected norms, and is unfortunately quite justified. We cannot allow any editor to continually refer to another as a "liar", "delusional", or any such actions the panda ₯’ 11:00, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Comment. It would be a significant loss to wikipedia if this situation, BBB remaining indefinitely blocked, were to continue, um, indefinitely. His contributions where he and I intersect have always been constructive, sensible, and ultimately of benefit to the project. What should be done to help reverse this situation? Can I do anything? -Roxy the dog™ (resonate) 11:23, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Roxy, I typically agree - content edits are not usually the problem; behaviour towards others is. Behaviour is not something a mentor can handle. Indef blocks are not infinite - they are "until the community is convinced the behaviour will not recur". At this point, this block is for continual recurrence of a set of behaviours. How does one move forward if every word typed is basically an insult to someone? the panda ₯’ 11:34, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree totally to the rules. I have always abided by the reules. Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:51, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Really Barney?, over a city councilor? A wiki break, even if not voluntary, may be a good thing to help you get your perspective back. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:18, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

TheRedPenOfDoom (talk · contribs) - this has never been about me. It has always been about Bearcat (talk · contribs) starting a disruptive AFD with lies, then rather than retracting those lies, adding further lies on top of those original lies, and then craftily getting his pet admin DangerousPanda (talk · contribs) to back him up. It is quite clear tat the wfong peron has been infintely blocked here and I resent the dispersions cast against my character. Barney the barney barney (talk) 17:51, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Bearcat is not the one calling other editors idiots and liars. This is about you and how you are handling this situation- which is turning out to be "in a way that results in you getting blocked and getting your block extended." And it doesnt have to be that way. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:56, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks TheRedPenOfDoom (talk · contribs) - it's quite clear who started this. It's quite clear who escaleated ths and it wasn't me. Now, I could pretend to be sorry however that would be in effect an admission that Bearcat (talk · contribs) didn't lie and wasn't being disruptive. However, I have principls, and cannot take this action as it is unprincipled. I am not sorry, and cannot retract my statements about Bearcat (talk · contribs) because simply they are true. Barney the barney barney (talk) 18:02, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

i could tell you that no matter who started it and who escalated it, what happens from here on in depends mostly upon you, but I think you already know that. I hope that you are able to find a way to keep your principles in tact within the Wikipedia framework so that you can return to editing. (And maybe you can add to your principles "I will never call anyone an idiot or liar on Wiki again - i will just have my dog think it at them." )-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:18, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't think you have to say you're sorry or that you apologize. You don't even have to agree that the rules are fair or applied equally. All you really have to do is say you understand how you broke the rules, that you've read the relevant guidelines and will abide them. And mean it. At that point, you bury the hatchet and try to move on and either avoid or play nice with people you don't like. Some days you eat the bear, some days the beat eats you. I doubt you really want to leave here or get forced out. Msnicki (talk) 18:35, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

And the upshot to all this is that the AfD was closed with no consensus. I like the bold approach by Tripod to advising BBB - it does appear that you are backed into a corner with no exits except biting the bullet. I don't know you well enough to be less circumspect in my comments. I think the onus is on you now to find a way back. Please try. Best. -Roxy the dog™ (resonate) 00:54, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

And yet again. Whether you like it or not, Wikipedia's inclusion guidelines do not offer the leader of a city council an automatic right to keep a Wikipedia article on the basis of a single source which merely namechecks their existence — no matter what role a city councillor holds (plain old councillor, leader of the council, one year in the ceremonial rotation of mayors, head of a council committee, whatever), the only criterion in WP:NPOL that any city councillor can ever satisfy just because of their city council position alone is "major local political figures who have received significant press coverage" (i.e. who have passed WP:GNG as individuals in their own right). So if you cannot explicitly demonstrate that the significant press coverage is there — it cannot simply be assumed to exist, but must actually be shown — then they do not get a Wikipedia article regardless of what role they held on the city council. This is not a "lie"; it's a completely correct and accurate and true assessment of what Wikipedia's inclusion rules for politicians say about city councillors.

But you persisted, and still persist now, in ignoring the "Wikipedia's inclusion rules for politicians" part of my comments, and putting words in my mouth which I didn't say. You're claiming that I cast personal aspersions on him as an individual — but I didn't. You're claiming that I'm failing to understand that "a leader is more important than a regular councillor" — but that distinction does not make a difference to Wikipedia's inclusion rules, which whether you like the fact or not do not grant the leader of a city council any greater entitlement to have a Wikipedia article than any other city councillor gets. Any city councillor, leader or not, has to pass GNG to qualify for an article on here. And at no point in the entire discussion did I say even one word about anything beyond the question of Wikipedia's inclusion rules.

You're entirely within your right to believe that our inclusion criteria for city councillors should be different than they are, and to pursue a consensus discussion to try to get them changed to your liking. But you're not entitled to call someone a liar for accurately summarizing what the current consensus is for the inclusion or exclusion of city councillors.

I said all along that the article could be kept if enough sourcing were added to get him past GNG — but instead of adding sourcing, you simply dismissed the incontrovertibly true fact that NPOL does not confer an automatic presumption of notability on city councillors as "lies", and attacked me instead of the real problem (the quality of sourcing). The discussion's now been closed "no consensus", but the reason that happened is because another editor ponied up with some actual sourcing and content improvements. You were the only person to vote keep before that improvement happened, and your rationale was a personal attack on me in which you failed to engage the fact that the article didn't satisfy any of Wikipedia's inclusion rules in its original form. It got kept because the article got improved, not because anybody (least of all me) was "lying" about anything.

And as for this stuff about "my pet admin", I don't know where you're pulling that assumption from either — I don't recall that I've ever interacted with Dangerous Panda before in my entire Wikipedia career, so it's not possible for them to be my "pet" anything. Bearcat (talk) 16:27, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I seem to recall Bearcat (talk · contribs) that *YOUR* refusal to acknowledge indisputable basic facts was teh root cause of teh disruption YOU initiated at the original AFD. Although I do enjoy watching your squirm in your little hole trying to justify unjustifiable actions, it is gettting slightly tiring now. You are clearly incapable of understanding and my guess is 50% of both of your braincells are malfunctioning. You lied. Then you snuck to the teacher. Admit these facts now and we can deal with this sordid little affair appropriately. Barney the barney barney (talk) 16:46, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing your talkpage due to abuse of the unblock process, continuing to attack editors, or other disruptive reasons. You may still contest any current block by using the unblock ticket request system, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first. the panda ₯’ 20:01, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Respectfully, DangerousPanda, I think this was unhelpful and I hope you will reconsider. You should at least have let another uninvolved admin review the situation before ratcheting the sanctions again. There's starting to be an appearance you could be too WP:INVOLVED, that it may have become personal to you that, gosh darn it, you are going to make Barney behave.

But also, a block shouldn't turn into an announcement that we'll hold him down while anyone who doesn't like him gets to take a free swing. Yes, of course Barney's response is insulting and unhelpful. But frankly, I'm more appalled by Bearcat's behavior here. Why is he here picking at a scab on Barney's own talk page? Why does he get a free pass? He also needs to learn how to drop the stick and slowly back away from the horse. The right outcome here is that these two editors, who obviously don't like each other, can learn either to avoid each other or at least play nice. The right outcome is not that one of them gets to pick fights and the other isn't allowed to respond, not even on his own talk page. Msnicki (talk) 20:38, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

@Msnicki: That's the most ridiculous paragraph ever written in the English language. 1) There's no humanly possible way of calling me "involved"; 2) I have no desire to "make" anyone do anything: Barney agreed to the rules, and no personal attacks was one of them, no matter what the situation; 3) I've obviously monitored the discussion, and you cannot honestly be suggesting that Barney is allowed to make snide remarks and insults towards Bearcat, but that Bearcat is not allowed to return to discuss rationally and politely their side of the story? Give your head a shake if that's what you're really saying. If Barney had focused on their own behaviour and how it violated community norms, Bearcat wouldn't have had to come near this page...and Barney likely would have been unblocked by now, wouldn't they? Instead, false accusations and personal attacks were the words of the day ... and thus, protection was necessary. the panda ₯’ 22:48, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

When your response is about as insulting and disrespectful -- and in the same way, you telling me to give my head a shake versus Barney questioning how many of Bearcat's braincells are working -- then yes, I do think you're no longer uninvolved and that you should step back. I've not said anything at all disrespectful that deserves this response, questioning whether my brain is working. Are admins special that they can get away with this? If Barney can get blocked for a playground insult, why not you? And I'll say again, it's completely transparent that Bearcat is not here to discuss anything rationally and politely. Whatever the original debate was about, that part's over. Bearcat's here only to gloat over Barney's predicament and he's doing what he can to irritate Barney on Barney's own talk page. He needs to walk away. The fact you would defend Bearcat's boorish behavior is, imho, yet more evidence that you are WAY too involved. Msnicki (talk) 23:41, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

@Msnicki:Appreciate sticking up for a fellow editor - I have been attempting to do something similar myself, if a little less directly. But read through the thread above this one (Winston S. Churchill) - especially his last post - if you don't think our Barney is skating around the edge of deserving a truly "life-time" ban. I just don't believe that his "disputes" have anything to do with this project at all anymore (if they ever did). As he says himself "nothing will get in the way of his aims". Well, that really sounds very negotiable, doesn't it? If I have any sympathy left for Barney at all - it is as a person with severe problems that I wish I could help - not as a fellow Wikipedia editor (since he has evidently given up on this role himself). --Soundofmusicals (talk) 23:09, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

No, I do not think he should be facing a lifetime ban. I think what we have here is a case where the sanctions have been ratcheted too fast and where Bearcat has been allowed to continue to baiting Barney over a fight that Bearcat has already won. The objective should be good behavior, not a test of wills. Read my suggestion to Barney above at 18:35 to simply agree to the rules and avoid Bearcat. Even I would have had trouble following my advice after Bearcat gave him another big poke the very next day. Msnicki (talk) 23:41, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

I initially thought the sanctions were coming down a bit on the heavy side - but then again, I wish you'd have a closer look at his efforts just lately - and all Bearcat (or I) have done really is dare to disagree with what he has taken to calling his "aims". If I have used a teeny bit too much gentle irony, or if Bearcat has repeated himself a little too persistently, don't you think this pales beside his full blown abuse? Whether he is right or wrong (in either case) is totally beside the point, wiki editors simply CAN'T be allowed to run amuck quite like THAT, or no editor with a skin thinner than that of an rhinoceros would survive, and the version of an article that remained stable would be that "aimed" at by the loudest, most abusive mouth. And he has the nerve to complain about abusive language by others! Taking him seriously (I am starting to wonder if perhaps I should after all) his last reply to me even constituted a (not-so-veiled) threat - although what exactly he is threatening me with I am at a loss to imagine... The ball is in his court anyway - let's leave it there!!!--Soundofmusicals (talk) 11:52, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

ANI discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is DangerousPanda's latest block of Barney the barney barney. Thank you. —Msnicki (talk) 00:18, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Some free advice, perhaps worth every penny

I think you should get another chance to clear this up with another admin. But I have no ability to make that happen. Here's what I think you need to know.

They have the goods on you. Our guidelines clearly prohibit personal attacks so when you make one that undeniably fits the definition, they've got you. You're just not allowed to call people names. Yes, there's obviously evidence that WP:NPA is only selectively enforced. And sure, anyone is free to speculate privately about who's more likely to be blocked for transgressions. The point is, ordinary mortals like you and me should never expect to get away with it.
Never give anyone low-hanging fruit they can throw at you. Never make it easy for anyone to cite you for personal attacks by responding to anyone under any circumstances with anything containing any of the obvious codewords like idiot, liar, stupid, brainless, yada, yada.
When you find yourself dealing with a difficult person here on WP, you have basically just 3 choices. You can walk away, you can find a way to get along, or you can go at it but coloring only inside the lines. By "inside the lines", what I mean is that if you pursue a fight, you're going to need the arguments, facts, verbal skills and, most important, the composure to pull it off without violating the guidelines. Your arguments have to be about what someone did or said (represented fairly!), never about what you think that says about the person who did or said it. Here on WP, the #1 reason I will walk away from a fight is that I've notice I'm getting angry. If someone's got my goat, I know I'm going to make a stupid mistake sooner or later. I'm going to give them low-hanging fruit they're going to throw at me.
Yes, there are some real WP:DICKs here on WP and there's nothing you can do about it. There are any number of existence proofs that it's totally possible to be completely annoying but stay inside the lines. Some people really know how to push buttons without ever crossing the line into a personal attack or other mistake. Please try not to be one of those people. But if you find yourself dealing with someone you've decided falls in this category, you should always walk at the first opportunity. You're not going to win. They're probably much better at being a WP:DICK than you are.
Sometimes people you think are WP:DICKs turn out not to be. When you're in the midst of a heated argument with someone, it's pretty easy to conclude, what a contentious blockhead. But I've noticed, not infrequently, that if I walk away and don't happen to encounter them for a few months, that when I see them again and neither of us is angry anymore, it's completely different. It's often worth walking away before you've poisoned the well by saying something you can't take back (certainly not here, where your edit history remains!) if only just so you can have another chance for a fresh start later on.

Here's what I think you should do.

Write the unblock request email they're asking.
Own up to your mistakes. Frankly, the only mistakes I find anyone really remembers are the ones you refuse to admit. This too shall pass. So get done with it and concede they have the goods on you, that you called both Bearcat and DangerousPanda names and posted some other silly insults that crossed the line.
State that you understand what the guidelines require. See if you can paraphrase it to explain what you need to do differently in the future to stay within the guidelines if you find yourself in any new disputes.
You are not required to apologize or say you're sorry or that you didn't mean what you said. You're entitled to your opinions, just not to posting every one of them. Think of this like a speeding ticket. You're not required to apologize for a minor speeding ticket but it does go on your record and you do have to pay the fine. Here, the fine they extract is a promise not to do it again. If you want to give someone a piece of your mind and tell them what you really think, all you're promising is that you'll find a way to do it within the guidelines or not at all. If you decide to apologize, it should be because that's what you think is the right thing to do, not because you feel like anyone forced you.
(If you're willing), state that you intend to avoid any future interaction with either Bearcat or DangerousPanda for, say, 3 months.
Do not offer excuses or blame anyone else. It truly does not matter and will not help your case for you to argue that anyone besides you bears any responsibility whatsoever for your plight. You crossed the line, you made some mistakes and they have the goods on you. But you're not going to make this mistake again no matter what the provocation because here's what you've learned from the experience. Short and sweet – and mean it.
Show a little class when you write this. If anyone might be able to tell you're still angry and not quite ready to move on, it still needs another draft.

If you have additional questions about how to get back in good graces or if you write a proper and earnest unblock request and it's turned down, e.g., because it's not been 6 months as required by WP:STANDARDOFFER and you'd like me to request a public discussion at ANI (okay, like that'll do any good :), feel free to email me. I am not here for offline complaints or discussion of any other editor. I know you're unhappy with both Bearcat and DangerousPanda but I do not want to hear about it. To avoid disclosing your RL identity to me, be sure your account here is set up with a throwaway email account before emailing me.

I hope this is helpful. Realistically, you're just a stranger I felt sorry for, but I do care. Good luck. I hope you make some good choices. Msnicki (talk) 18:26, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

What Msnicki says! Very sensible advice indeed - although several of us have said similar things she sums it all up nicely. The only "aim" we should have here is the improvement of Wikipedia - once we start to get "attached" to specific fragments of the text thereof (sez me, who does it all the time) we are lost. There is a difference between "subtle" sarcasm and plain abuse (again, I need to take my own advice here!) and when you go over the line you have to apologise (viz my little "sorry" to you after hinting you had a "tiny mind") and resolve to be more careful in future. Never hit that "submit" button until after you have re-read what you said and edited it if necessary! Some people are just a good deal more sensitive than others - I notice you are pretty sensitive yourself when someone drops a gentle or not so gentle hint about YOUR behaviour, so you really should understand. You know how it hurts to be judged and shoved into "little boxes" - well, how about not judging others? May sound trite, but it works. I have been insulted by experts for VERY many years and am fairly thick-skinned, and you even stirred me a bit, especially with that last post. Regards, and looking forward to seeing you again in happier, more productive contexts. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 01:34, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Restoring talk page access

Not sure if you plan to come back or not, but just in case, I'd like to assume that everyone is a little less hot under the collar than they were 2 months ago, and restricting talk page access is unnecessary. Restoring talk page access in case an unblock request is forthcoming. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:44, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

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Unblocking

After a further review of everything that went on back then, an indef block appears excessive. If you've moved on from Wikipedia, then an unblock doesn't hurt anything. If you'd like to come back but pride or anger or a sense of being treated unfairly is preventing you from making an unblock request, there's no sense waiting for one side to cave in. I've unblocked this account.

I do think some of your comments, Barney, were excessive and over the top. I hope, with time, that you'd now agree with that, at least. But I'm just not convinced an indef block is the solution. I recognize the apparent baiting, and the suboptimal way the block was handled, but those are mitigating factors to the block extension, not excuses for the actual over-the-top aggression. Personally, I believe most of your comments about Bearcat were untrue, and/or unfair; however, even if they were true, we don't go around saying stuff like that out loud all the time. If we did that in real life, everyone would end up with bloody noses every day.

I guess what I'm saying is that while I don't think the indef block was a great solution to the problem, I do think there was a problem, and you should be aware (even if you don't agree) that you'll need to dial it back a few notches if/when you return, or this whole episode is likely to repeat. Either way, good luck with whatever you decide. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:49, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

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What's the Haldanes Dilemma tag about ?

I think you tagged Fringe onto the article for Haldane's Dilemma back in April 2014, but cannot tell what/where in the article that was done for, nor what would improve the article and serve to remove it. Can you tell me what you meant by that tag and what would clear it out ? Markbassett (talk) 15:27, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

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WikiProject Genealogy - newsletter No.1

Newsletter Nr 1 for WikiProject Genealogy (and Wikimedia genealogy project on Meta)

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Since the Projects very first edit 9 december 2002 by User:Dan Koehl, which eventually became the WikiProject Genealogy, different templates were developed, and the portal Portal:Genealogy was founded by User:Michael A. White in 2008. Over the years a number of articles has been written, with more or less association to genealogy. And, very exciting, there is a proposal made on Meta by User:Another Believer to found a new Wikimedia Genealogy Project, read more at Meta; Wikimedia genealogy project where you also can support the creation with your vote, in case you havnt done so already.

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"DoDAF V2.0 Viewpoints" page you deleted

Hey Barney, I hadn't logged in for a while. I was proud of my contribution to wiki with my posted content on DODAF 2.0. I was "disappointed" that you deleted part of it: 8:44, 27 March 2013 RHaworth (talk | contribs) deleted page DoDAF V2.0 Viewpoints

Architectural descriptions are mandated in the U.S. as part of system development and delivery of products to DoD, but DODAF is also cited by other organizations too. The viewpoints is to explain a significant aspect of the move from DODAF V1.5 to V2. The viewpoints are the way of capturing the architectural artifacts, to fill-out the architectural description. Sigh. Kit Christopher J Lueder — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kitdaddio (talk • contribs) 17:06, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

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WikiProject Genealogy - newsletter No.6

Newsletter Nr 6, 2018-12-25, for WikiProject Genealogy (and Wikimedia genealogy project on Meta)

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This is the sixth newsletter sent by mass mail to members in Wikipedia:WikiProject Genealogy, to everyone who voted a support for establishing a potential Wikimedia genealogy project on meta, and anyone who during the years showed an interest in genealogy on talk pages and likewise.

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Now 100 supporters

At 3 December 2018, the list of users who support the potential Wikimedia genealogy project, reached 100!

A demo wiki is up and running!

You can already now try out the demo for a genealogy wiki at https://tools.wmflabs.org/genealogy/wiki/Main_Page and try out the functions. You will find parts of the 18th Pharao dynasty and other records submitted by the 7 first users, and it would be great if you would add some records.

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Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!

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Nomination of Kenneth Fisher (educationalist) for deletion

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Nomination of George Baugh Allen for deletion

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Nomination of Alan Davies (headmaster) for deletion

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