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Matilda Whitney Nakayima

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I cannot find sufficient reliable news coverage independent of the topic here, per WP:BIO or General Notability Moarnighar (talk) 11:15, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, fails all notability guidelines. Ednabrenze (talk) 11:39, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cliff Schwarz

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE for this previously unreferenced article about a composer, and added one reference. It is a passing mention, however, and I cannot find other coverage. I don't think he meets WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO or WP:NCOMPOSER. Tacyarg (talk) 10:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, not notable. Before search returned nothing. Fails WP:GNG or WP:Nmusic. Ednabrenze (talk) 11:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unpunked Sound

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Fails the notability guideline for musicians. Working as best as I can through machine translation, the sources in the article appear to be either self-published or lack significant coverage of the subject, or both. A quick check for more sources turned up nothing useful. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 03:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Courtesy ping for AfC reviewer Kvng. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 03:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kawaihae (band)

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Fails WP:NBAND. No significant coverage. C F A 💬 23:09, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete an unsourced article about a band from the 2000s (decade); most of the Google search results are about songs by Brother Noland, Israel Kamakawiwoʻole, etc and their website is broken. The Apple Music/Amazon search results suggest the band probably existed, but that isn't enough to keep the article Walsh90210 (talk) 01:34, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I wasn't able to find any coverage of the subject in reliable sources. Very obscure. toweli (talk) 09:08, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Torontow

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Fails WP:NACTOR. Bit-part actor. scope_creep^Talk 14:13, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. He has played the title character in Sweeney Todd, among other major characters and has been nominated for Dora Awards both as a leading actor and a director. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:57, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: seems notable enough to me, given his stage career and existing sources. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dorian (Turkish band)

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“D&R” is a shop (which sells records among other things) so I am not sure that source in the Turkish article is enough to show notability Chidgk1 (talk) 16:28, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Next Star (Nigeria)

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This subject needs to be assessed. Rejected twice via the talk page here. Moved to mainspace by a block user named TheChineseGroundnut for sock who has a page reviewer right. I feel the award was created to backup Johnel notability on wikipedia. Majority of the edits came from the same block user who accepted Johnel seen here. Gabriel (……?) 11:30, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jordan Bolch

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Fails the notability guideline for musicians. The sources in the article are all a mix of paid promotion and press release regurgitation, and are unreliable as a result. A quick check before the nomination did not turn up any other sources to establish notability. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 04:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Plymouth-Canton Marching Band

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Like pretty much every student organization or team, this WP:ROTM high school band is not notable and should not have a standalone article: fails WP:CLUB and WP:NMUSIC. Sources are non-independent, very brief mentions, or routine local news similar (WP:AUD) to that my own high school's band received. Most content is fluff about personnel and awards received by countless competitive youth groups (11th place finalist, regional champion, etc). There are a lot of student contests and appearances out there like these every year, and even winning multiple times is not basis for an article. May be redirected to Plymouth-Canton Educational Park#Marching band.

I don't believe there are any other individual high school band articles, and similar AFDs include Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pequannock Township Marching Band (2nd nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barnstable High School Marching Band, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Reeths-Puffer Marching Band, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deep Run Marching Wildcat Band, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stafford High School Tribe of Pride Marching Band, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Redlands Terrier Marching Band Reywas92^Talk 22:10, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep When I see this source, I am convinced that this band is notable. The edit history of the article in question is also interesting. The Banner talk 00:38, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A four-sentence blurb in the local paper? That's not substantive and is precisely what WP:AUD is for. Newspapers regularly cover local schools' football, basketball, band, academic, and other accomplishments, but we should not have separate articles for every one of those student organizations because they've won something. This should be summarized in the main article, not a separate respository for cruft like the staff (WP:RFCSCHOOLADMIN) and events attended. Reywas92^Talk 01:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:NBAND#9. They won a prestigious band competition in 1990, 1991, and 1999.
Re: regional media, major media treatment in:

Indy Star [1]
Detroit Free Press [2]

On another (admittedly slightly WP:ILIKEIT) note, this little school has had an amazing run of success with its marching band. I think we would barely bat an eye at keeping an article about a football team with three national championships. Its article has survived two previous AfD's. What's the sudden urgency to call this article "cruft" and remove it? Oblivy (talk) 01:28, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's absurd and utterly overly broad to claim NBAND with that. Dozens of schools have won and placed in this competition and dozens more have won other band competitions. This should be recognized in the school's article, not as a standalone article for the student group.

The Indy Star did not actually cover this: as you can see with "Observer life" in the top left, it was covered by a reporter of the local Michigan site Observer (hosted by Hometown Life), and it was not actually published in the Star but https://www.hometownlife.com/story/life/community/observer/2015/07/23/go-blue-cep-band-kellogg-park-plymouth/30579317/ there]. The second link is also the local Canton Observer, not the larger but also local Detroit Free Press, and in the "Local news" page, where they also cover the high school drag race team, an automotive detailing company, and high school football, volleyball, and soccer teams.

I think we would barely bat an eye at keeping an article about a football team with three national championships. This is not true, we do not keep articles about high school football teams, because every school has a team, many have won championships, and student teams and groups should be covered in the school's article. Yet Baltimore City College football, which dates to the 1800s and has notable alumni, appears to be the only one.

Indeed, articles written by a member of the student group, with lists of "legendary" and "preeminent" staff and flowery language, are crufty and should be avoided. Reywas92^Talk 20:36, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Notability isn't temporary. They've won multiple national championships. Those championships haven't disappeared since the last AfD in 2017. --Hammersoft (talk) 23:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They weren't notable in the first place. Many schools have won multiple championships for this particular event as well as others (USBands, Western Band Association, Tournament of Bands). Countless more championships for other student activities. That doesn't mean they should have articles. Reywas92^Talk 01:39, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Johnel

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This article needs to be assessed properly per the discussion also going on at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Galactic Theme. First of all, it is shocking as seeing who accepted the article is now a block user of a sock. While going further on the article talk page I see that who created the article already admitted that he or she was paid and it’s also a sock to who accepted the article. That means they all planned to promote the artist here on Wikipedia with some sort of promotional news on blogs about the artist and his music. Also be aware that this article has never been nominated for AFD. It was the draft that was nominated which was supposed to be a keep. Gabriel (……?) 23:36, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete:: As per nom. In addition, majority of the references do not meet the requirements for reliability. I can only spot a few reliable sources. Mevoelo (talk) 14:27, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: and Salt. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TheChineseGroundnut for background. Blatant advert pushed by sock farm. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 14:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just noting that this article was previously the subject of a deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Johnel. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:28, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abdul Hannan (singer)

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This appears to be a WP:UPE. I draftified it last week, but the same editor re-created it at Draft:Abdul Hannan (Pakistani singer) which I also draftified and despite my request for them to submit draft for review. New users should ideally follow the WP:AFC procedure if they believe the BLP meets WP:N, but this wasn't done.

The draft has now been reverted to the main namespace. After reviewing this BLP, I don't think it meets the criteria for either WP:NSINGER or GNG. The creator of the BLP is actively participating in AFD discussions, even though they are relatively new to WP which suggests they are WP:BE. And I wouldn't be surprised if some IPs vote to keep this BLP in an effort to influence the outcome.

Additionally, the creator of this BLP brought their own creation to AFD to ensure it was rescued through the AfD process and the BLP remains - a practice commonly used by UPEs and socks. Also, Alon9393 , the creator had previously been warned by Davey2010 not to canvass editors in AFDs, but it appears Alon9393 have no intention of stopping. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:08, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I added {{undisclosed paid}}, largely to see how Alon9393 reacts to it (do they continue to show signs of being a UPE?)I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 21:01, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, I dream of horses, Saqib I declared myself unable to respond to these accusations. I am not a paying user. I voluntarily collaborated here. If you see me editing the article, it is because I want it to maintain the required relevance and notoriety and comply with the standards of musical notability. I have also collaborated on various articles such as Richard Jones (British diplomat), Hannah Bat Shahar, Cyprus–Saudi Arabia relations, Juancho De la Espriella, Ercan Aydogmus, Tiger Tyson. All those articles with serious deficiencies and lacks of notable sources. Now the point is about Abdul Hannan's article, I absolutely leave this to the community so as not to misinterpret or, as they say, have influence in this vote, in this debate consensus. Thank you Alon9393 (talk) 21:17, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. Rolling Stone India is a brief mention and most of Pakistani sources briefly mention him or are tabloid-style stories without any proper byline. WP:SIGCOV requires high quality references with proper bylines. His songs has been included on Spotify charts but they doesn't meet WP:GOODCHARTS criteria. An enforced AFC review is another option as this is likely edited for payment. 202.47.50.250 (talk) 04:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. After reviewing all the sources, it's clear they do not support notability under either WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC. The WP:SIGCOV of the subject is in unreliable sources (non-bylined articles in sources considered dodgy per WP:RSN), and what coverage the subject has had in reliable sources is not WP:SIGCOV. (FWIW, I moved this page back to mainspace per creator request under WP:DRAFTOBJECT and not because I thought it was a notable topic.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:30, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Matt Kean (musician)

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WP:BANDMEMBER, notability is solely inherited by being a member of Bring Me the Horizon --- FMSky (talk) 16:40, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Matt Nicholls

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WP:BANDMEMBER, notability is solely inherited by being a member of Bring Me the Horizon ---FMSky (talk) 16:25, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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No evidence of sigcov for musicians given in article, can't find on a quick google search. seefooddiet (talk) 01:14, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The GMA article is significant coverage. The others no, and nothing found on my own WP:BEFORE search (which is not just a "quick google search"). Will reconsider if further sources are identified. Oblivy (talk) 02:05, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I tried searching in .kr websites, mostly just track listings come up. This was about all else I could find [3], which is an interview and likely not enough. Oaktree b (talk) 16:29, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: There are no real signs of notoriety here, it's mainly a concern of WP:BLP1E which is visible in the article header, which includes "mainly notable for being in a YouTube video" but nothing. Alon9393 (talk) 23:10, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:GNG and per other users suggesting this is being used for promotion. Isha Sattar (talk) 10:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think others suggested promotion is happening; it's possible but not clear cut to me. seefooddiet (talk) 08:02, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vivek Verma

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Still unnotable. Not a key member of the Himesh team as he is not even mentioned on Himesh's article. Same weak references from previous AFDs. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 01:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: My concern regarding this nomination is that it overlooks the substantial updates made since the last discussion, including the inclusion of relevant sources published after August 2020. Despite the availability of reputable articles from sources like The Diplomat, Hindustan Times, and Times of India, I have focused on incorporating recent sources to align with Wikipedia’s guidelines for establishing notability.

1. Notability and Wikipedia Mentions:The statement "as he is not even mentioned on Himesh's article" highlights a common misunderstanding of Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Being mentioned on another Wikipedia page does not, by itself, establish a subject's notability. What is crucial for establishing notability are independent, reliable sources that document the subject’s contributions and achievements.

In this case, the subject demonstrates notability through various reliable sources that cover both aspects of their career—both as an indie artist and a Bollywood musician. The presence of multiple independent sources that cover different facets of their career supports the argument for notability. Still ypu can check him mentioned in the core team in many different projects including Action Jackson (2014 film).

Additionally, coverage in independent sources for distinct work profiles (Bollywood and indie music) further strengthens the claim for notability, as per Wikipedia’s guidelines. Getting covered for two different work profile (Bollywood & Indie Music) also cancles WP:1E.

2. *Independent Artist Notability:

The nominator’s comment in the recent nomination mentions "same weak references from previous AFDs." However, the subject's notability as an independent artist is well-supported by reliable sources published after the last discussion in August 2020. This period of time has allowed for the accumulation of substantial coverage and recognition of the subject’s work as an indie artist, distinct from their collaborations with Himesh Reshammiya. The updated sources included in the article reflect this enhanced recognition and demonstrate the subject’s notability within the indie music scene.

The new sources provided in the article explicitly highlight the subject’s achievements in the indie music scene, demonstrating a clear and ongoing recognition of their notability. The passage of time since the last discussion has enabled a more comprehensive evaluation of the subject's contributions, as reflected in the present sources

While articles used from sources such as The Diplomat, Hindustan Times, and Times of India in the last discussion that could have been used, I have adhered to Wikipedia guidelines by incorporating only those sources published after the last deletion discussion. This approach ensures that the references are up-to-date and relevant for establishing the subject's notability. Surya^beej ^⋠talk⋡ 12:13, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:NMUSICBIO. 7 sources on the page and from it 5 sources on the page are not independent of the musician or ensemble itself. They are also promotional materials. Source india.com is unreliable per WP:ICTFSOURCES. 1 other source fail significant coverage worthy of notice to consider notability. I did not find information if the singer released two or more notable albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels or won any awards. I can not find any source where the singer has had a single or album on national music chart or has been in any international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country. I see the subject missing all criteria for a notable singer. RangersRus (talk) 14:39, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and salt per all the many and varied reasons given at previous AfDs, DRs, etc., with particular reference to ANYBIO (done nothing to fulfil any criteria), BLPSOURCES (no independent, reliable third party sources support an assertion of notability), NMUSIC (ditto: criteria fail) and NOTADVERT (fundamentally the root of these repeated attempts to inflict this article upon us). The time may yet still come when his career trajectory makes such a change in dynamic as to justify a neutral, source-based, independently-written article. That time is not now, however. SerialNumber54129 19:20, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Larry Steinbachek

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All reliable standalone coverage on the page is about the subject's death, the only other reliable source is about a song that the subject's group made, while the rest are WP:NOTRS sources like IMDB and music fan sites. Pretty clear failure of WP:NMUSICBIO. Should be redirected to Bronski Beat. JeffSpaceman (talk) 20:17, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related page because of similar independent notability issues. All standalone coverage of Bronski is in obituaries, while the only other sources presented are an article about his band, an unreliable fansite, and an interview which is a primary source. No independent notability here either, and should similarly be redirected to Bronski Beat because of the notability issues:

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Keep both received significant independent coverage in a number of major news and music news outlets. The idea that an obituary written about a person is "about his death" rather than a celebration of his life seems a bit over the top. I don't know of any guideline or consensus that a non-paid obituary is not counted for notability. It's not just those two either:

I could see an argument WP:BANDMEMBER applies here although with a band this influential I'd put my thumb on the scale for Steinbachek for other things like LGBTQ activism and film scoring. Steve Bronski is even more notable than Steinbachek because he wrote Smalltown Boy. Oblivy (talk) 23:21, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but I disagree and I very much believe WP:BANDMEMBER applies. I'll admit that maybe saying that the obituaries are about their deaths rather than celebrations of their lives was unduly harsh, but the pieces objectively only exist because their subjects passed away. I'm not finding virtually anything in reliable sourcing regarding Steinbachek's activism or film score work, and Bronski does not inherit notability from being one of three co-writers on a song that was a top 3 hit in the U.K. and a top 50 hit in the U.S. If you want to find sources that solely focus on the subjects that that meet WP:V and WP:RS and add them to the article, go for it -- I might even walk this back if you can find enough, but for now outside of their passings I just don't think there's enough coverage of either of them for their standalone articles to quite meet WP:NMUSIC. JeffSpaceman (talk) 00:13, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The idea that major news-outlet obituaries "only exist because their subjects pass away" is more than a wee bit reductive. Yes, they are occasioned by the death, but they are written because the person was notable. Oblivy (talk) 00:49, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just because an obituary was published by a reliable source does not automatically make the subject independently notable by Wikipedia standards -- to prove my point, I will direct you to two deletion discussions about deceased musicians, WP:Articles for deletion/Koopsta Knicca and WP:Articles for deletion/Lil Phat, both from this year (the former actually started by me, not entirely coincidentally). In both cases, despite there being tributes written by sources that pass WP:RS (including here and here, respectively), there was consensus at both discussions that there was not enough coverage of these artists for the purposes of standalone articles outside of their deaths, with the former article being redirected to the notable group he was a member of, and the latter being redirected to a U.S. top 10 hit he appeared on and had a co-writing credit for. Personally, I feel that Steinbachek and Bronski are in the exact same boat, more or less -- just because they were members of an unquestionably notable group whose music charted and went platinum in various nations does not mean they individually pass WP:NMUSICBIO, since notability is not inherited and outside of them dying the sourcing in both articles does not appear to establish it outside of the context of the group. I'm not trying to persuade you to change your vote or anything, but I really don't see enough in either article that couldn't just be included in the Bronski Beat article. JeffSpaceman (talk) 09:21, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is, of course, nothing to prevent a band member from being notable despite not meeting the criteria set forward at WP:BANDMEMBER. I wasn't suggesting an obituary means a person meets WP:N, but at the same time an obituary is certainly an opportunity taken by the press to significantly cover someone's life and there is generally ZERO relationship between the notability of their death and the notability of their life. Oblivy (talk) 15:15, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge both to Bronski Beat. I don't see sufficient justification for standalone articles, but detail on the band members should be included there. --Michig (talk) 11:49, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect both articles to Bronski Beat. Best solution here, that also retains the information. ResonantDis_tortion 09:06, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep - not merely a band member, he co-wrote one of the most iconic songs of the 1980s, for which books and episodes of music history have been published. That alone is reason enough, but as shown by simple WP:BEFORE searches, there’s clearly sufficient sources for significant coverage. His music has been called “landmark” by The Independent, an “anthem of gay culture resonates 40 years on … the haunting classic” according to The Guardian, Spin magazine focused on his individuality in their breakout cover story, and the Financial Times called his song a “hit was a heartfelt cry for liberation.” Scholars are still writing about the subject’s role in writing this song decades later. Beyond that song, he co-wrote a song for Divine, his work post-Somerville is discussed in the Encyclopedia of Popular Music, another book about chart-toppers, and in a book about Donna Sommer, all which I found with a few clicks. Bearian (talk) 02:18, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SosMula

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Rapper appears to fail WP:NBIO and WP:GNG, as there seem to be no other sources besides self-published ones. GTrang (talk) 04:51, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not everything in life has a peer reviewed scientific paper written for it buddy. This is a semi-underground rapper we're talking about here, of course he's not going to have every little thing about his life published on relevant blogs & fact-checked and scrutinized by publications as time goes on. You trying to delete his entire page and his life's work and identity rather than letting the public read about him & create their own conclusions - despite the sources being from himself or from a select few relevant publications, does more damage to the concept of free, unadulterated access to information and is tantamount to censorship, in my opinion.

There is NO NEED to delete this page, but as usual, this site is controlled by power-wielding and weirdo moderators who love deleting and reverting people's hard work, so I'm not holding out on you doing the right thing and leaving this page up. Do as you wish but just remember, in the grand scheme of things, you, me, SosMula and everything else will destruct and wipe away when the heat death eventually occurs so don't overthink & do the most on this encyclopedia site on a Friday night. ✌️ 2001:56A:F471:5500:E54C:3998:1B29:16E3 (talk) 05:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to City Morgue where there is already plenty of info about how semi-underground he is. He does not get his own article simply because his City Morgue partner has one. SosMula's solo work and personal life have not qualified for an encyclopedic article due to a lack of reliable music media notice, and his article is dependent on social media posts and self-hyping sites. Note that I did not resort to insulting anyone with a different opinion on the matter, as that is a really ineffective technique for winning a debate. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: My vote above generated a multi-paragraph tirade from the anonymous user above ("...16E3"), full of personal insults toward me and anyone else who doesn't think SosMula is god's gift to music. The rant was deleted by a different editor for violating policy. The anonymous user's comments should be disregarded unless that person chooses to take a little time to learn about how Wikipedia really works. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:19, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Uhh no I didn't buddy... but yeah go on about how I hurt you little fweelings. Are you hurt over some impersonal and not even offensive lines I sent over Wikipedia 🥹 Jesus Christ grow a pair bro, you and these censor-happy delete-happy editors that plague this website and make it a cancerous experience for anyone who wants to give it a shot and contribute. I hope you get a chance to write all your achievements on this website on your gravestone & they pin a purple heart on ya for being the top Wikipedian on here who kept this place running (for free) like no other 🎖️🏅🏆 Cant wait for this to hurt the editors' feelings & get taken down & get banned and put under some Wiki martial law that lasts 5 millennia ✌️ 2001:56A:F471:5500:E143:A978:4175:8D68 (talk) 05:06, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dummy (band)

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Non-notable music group. Fails WP:BAND. Cabrils (talk) 03:26, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I see two album reviews from Pitchfork, two from Paste, one from Stereogum, one from PopMatters, and that's just what's already linked in the article. The group seems like it easily clears WP:BAND. hinnk (talk) 08:39, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, meets WP:NBAND#1 from the contents of the article alone. Geschichte (talk) 12:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and expand. I wonder if the nominator simply looked at the article's lack of detail, which currently makes the band look less notable than it is. The band is featured/reviewed in the indie rock press regularly, and the sources already cited can be used for historical info to expand the article beyond its current stub state. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep they're notable; article just needs some work Rainsage (talk) 15:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. In full agreement with Geschichte. GanzKnusper (talk) 17:15, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Barra Head (band)

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No credible claim of notability. Too underground to pass NMUSIC, and doesn't pass GNG either. Badbluebus (talk) 02:32, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete one source is not enough need more sources. Xegma(talk) 13:55, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. There are reviews and coverage from Gaffa ([4], [5], [6] + other coverage), Undertoner [da] ([7], [8], [9], [10], [11]) Visions [de] ([12], [13] + some information in [14], [15]) and Ox-Fanzine ([16], [17], interview) toweli (talk) 13:14, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Olivia Raney

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Fails WP:BIO. Her husband established a library in her honor after she died suddenly. That's it. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:57, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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If not kept, Merge to Wake County, North Carolina#Libraries (or to an article about the town where the library is located?), because Wikipedia ought to answer the question "Who was this Olivia Raney that the library is named after?" PamD 07:51, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - There could possibly be an article on the library, with a paragraph on who it was named after, but Ms. Raney simply does not have enough accomplishments or reliable historical coverage to justify her own article. Meanwhile, the merge suggestion above is valid but I think it would be awkward because none of the other libraries in the county have any precise background info at the target article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Show (band)

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No appearance of notability. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 05:11, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom and WP:GNG. Lots of information here, but trying to verify any of it turns up crickets. Article was written by a 1-edit SPA apparently to promote a 2016 tour, and has remained essentialy unchanged ever since—except for adding even more promotional material, this time in support of a new venture involving the band's front men. StonyBrook _babble 12:57, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nychow Moore

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Non-notable musician. Fails WP:MUSICBIO, WP:ANYBIO. At best WP:TOOSOON. Cabrils (talk) 02:32, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete also lack of WP:SIGCOV. Xegma(talk) 06:29, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No WP:SIGCOV Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 14:41, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Roy Granata

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources, only mentions such as [18]. toweli (talk) 15:22, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete no sources at all. Xegma(talk) 17:18, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete heck, I can't even find a reference to him in my collection of traditional Colombian music, and some of that stuff isn't even available online anymore. This guy's no Jaime Llano González. Allan Nonymous (talk) 01:41, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I wasn't even a regular contributor when I edited this article. Looking back, I'm surprised the lack of references wasn't an issue sooner. There aren't any in the Spanish version either, unless you count a YouTube video. Googling also brings up nothing. With my now over ten-years of experience, this looks like it was originally a personal promotion. No loss. WQUlrich (talk) 01:32, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reply format shifted from an H1 to a normal bulleted reply with a bolded !vote to match normal style and avoid breaking listing pages, WQUlrich feel free to adjust as needed. Skynxnex (talk) 02:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Without context of notoriety or encyclopedic, I'm sorry but how can you verify an article without credible or existing references?. Alon9393 (talk) 05:08, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:SNOW - no sources, and difficult to find sources. Bearian (talk) 00:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bjørn Vidø

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This has been through several lengthy AfC reviews [one version of the draft receiving 12 declines], before the author moved to Mainspace.

Author has stated subject has paid two editors to create this draft/article.

No indication of notability - sources do not back up claims on awards Qcne (talk) 14:23, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Can I please have time to do research on the awards the subject is listed in before deletion ?

im new to Wikipedia and learning how to edit articles as I go

this is my first one and I plan to review others as time goes on Vanityorpride (talk) 14:42, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The way to learn how to edit Wikipedia is by editing existing articles, not by trying to create new articles. Especially not for pay. --bonadea contributions talk 15:42, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:NMUSICIAN. Theroadislong (talk) 15:02, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – I have looked for sources, in Danish as well as English, and there is just no sign of notability per WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC. --bonadea contributions talk 15:42, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Just for the record, the draft was rejected (after 12 declines – talk about volunteer reviewers bending over backwards to help out the new editor!) and then deleted, not sure under which criterion. Vanityorpride (who has been paid to create the article) then created the article as an identical copy of the rejected draft, but without any of the failed verification and cn tags that various reviewers had added. Drafts have also been created under variant spellings, and I think it's a borderline WP:SALTing situation. --bonadea contributions talk 15:42, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete with extreme prejudice. This is not the way one goes about creating articles, paid editor or not (and especially if paid). --DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:06, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:RS - 2 of the sources are press releases, and the 3 others appear to be blogs. Bearian (talk) 00:30, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just FTR, neither Politiken nor Klimamonitor is a blog. But both sources are articles about a show, mentioning Vidø's name in passing, and they don't support the information in the article--it looks like they have been shoved in at random points just to bolster the number of references. --bonadea contributions talk 05:30, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cheremshyna (ensemble)

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This musical ensemble fails WP:NMUSIC and WP:GNG. I cannot find any WP:SIGCOV in independent, secondary, reliable sources. (There appears to be a dance ensemble with the same name, but it likewise has no SIGCOV.) I cannot find any evidence this subject meets any criterion on WP:NMUSIC. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:33, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:GNG. Mellk (talk) 19:49, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, Manhattan

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. None of the links presently in the article are reliable sources. toweli (talk) 11:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, no enough out there to establish notability.TheLongTone (talk) 13:56, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Slap of Reality

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Non-notable band that fails WP:BAND and WP:GNG. I could not find any sources about this band and the only reference listed links to a forum post. cyberdog958^Talk 06:19, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Doesn't meet WP:BAND or WP:GNG. Found home web page, FB page, and other promotional postings, but nothing of substance. - Donald Albury 12:27, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete lack of WP:SIGCOV. Xegma(talk) 14:13, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete. I found this story, and there’s evidence that they performed in two states in touring, but that’s not enough for the consensus standards. Bearian (talk) 02:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yael Danon

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Article without notoriety, and very poor encyclopedic failure in musical coverage, it only stood out for participating in a talent show Alon9393 (talk) 23:10, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2024 September 10. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 23:30, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Israel's Got Talent. LibStar (talk) 23:20, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Not much coverage at all, she released a song in 2022, then that seems to be it. [19] I'm not even sure that's a RS. But it's small. Lack of coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 00:35, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Not notable Rainsage (talk) 14:58, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Insufficient coverage. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 16:15, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Israel's Got Talent, where she is mentioned as a winner of the youth competition. This entry has been deleted at Hewiki. Redirect should trump delete by ATD and CHEAP. gidonb (talk) 23:51, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Arundel

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WP:BLP of a musician, not properly sourced as having a strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC. As always, musicians are not "inherently" notable just because they exist, and have to be shown to pass WP:GNG on third-party reliable source coverage about them and their accomplishments in media -- but this is referenced entirely to unreliable sources that are not support for notability, such as Spotify streams and YouTube clips, with not even one hit of GNG-worthy coverage shown at all. Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to be referenced properly. Bearcat (talk) 19:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No WP:RS PaulPachad (talk) 21:52, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ – Promotional piece with no reliable sources. I presume this is the same subject that had a deletion discission in July 2024, when an article had been nominated for appearing promotional - created using a different version of the forename, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alexander Arundel. Drchriswilliams (talk) 09:20, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect, as per reasoning provided by ResonantDis_tortion. Drchriswilliams (talk) 08:26, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Warrior Soul per WP:ATD. The subject may have an accomplished career with many achievements, but without reliable sources to verify then no article can exist. These sources indicate the Warrior Soul aspects of the article are verifiable: The Virgin encyclopedia of heavy rock, The rough guide to heavy metal, The encyclopedia of popular music. But without more WP:SIGCOV I do not see how the article can stay and Warrior Soul appears the best target as he's mentioned in that article. Happy to change vote if more coverage turns up. ResonantDis_tortion 09:09, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging @Bearcat, @Drchriswilliams, @PaulPachad. Would you support a redirect as an acceptable WP:ATD-R per the above sources? ResonantDis_tortion 10:01, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per ResonantDistortion's reasoning, with no objection to deleting it outright. No real claim to notability per WP:NMUSIC and I can't find any additional coverage in reliable sources. --bonadea contributions talk 14:34, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan Seet

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I tagged this article about a musician with notability concerns in April. It is unreferenced. I have returned to it and carried out WP:BEFORE. The only secondary coverage I can find is a mention of his name in CMJ New Music Report 2003 here. I have not added this to the article as it is minimal. I don't think he meets WP:NMUSICIAN. There is no obvious redirect target. Tacyarg (talk) 19:01, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: there's a review of Thanks To Science, We've Got Love (page 6) by Nightshift (magazine), a review of Melatonin by Exclaim!, and a review of Arousal Disasters + an article by Now (newspaper). Jonathan Seet's website has a section for reviews of his music, although a lot of them are short and/or from non-reliable sources. It's also interesting that one of the reviews is by someone who goes by LMNOP, and that User:Mnlop is a single-purpose account for the Seet and Seet-related articles. toweli (talk) 19:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete lack of WP:SIGCOV nothing on it. Xegma(talk) 19:39, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Zero WP:RS and lack of WP:SIGCOV PaulPachad (talk) 21:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. No notability or SIGCOV found. cyberdog958^Talk 06:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Article is unreferenced, has been unreferenced since 2005 despite not being officially tagged as such until earlier this year, a WP:BEFORE search really didn't turn up enough to turn the tide (a couple of the sources found above by Toweli are okay but not in and of themselves enough, and I didn't find a whole lot else), and nothing stated in the article is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to pass WP:GNG on better sourcing than we've been able to find. Bearcat (talk) 20:11, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Randall Rossilli Jr.

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The claim of notability as a media entrepreneur is weak and lacks the in-depth reliable and verifiable sources required to back up the claim. Recording songs for release on iTunes is an even weaker claim of notability, not does his work as a teacher reach any notability standard. I was unable to find any meaningful in-depth coverage for him in a Google search. Alansohn (talk) 18:18, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Notability not found, Xxanthippe (talk) 22:27, 9 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Delete – He does not have enough news coverage. 3 references were Staff directories. I removed them.Mysecretgarden (talk) 06:03, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I note that regional Emmys are given out like participation trophies; they’re not major awards. Also, producers are run if the mill. Bearian (talk) 01:45, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dan Yemin

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Yemin's name gets mentioned a lot in punk zines, but as far as I'm aware, none of those are considered reliable, and he's not mentioned frequently enough outside of them to pass notability. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 01:47, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Doddodo

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No references, seems to fail GNG Kingsmasher678 (talk) 01:16, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - not nearly enough in-depth refs from reliable, independent sources to meet WP:SIGCOV.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete unless someone adds sources: how has a BLP article survived since 2007 with no sources except the non-RS Discogs? PamD 08:12, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete nothing on it. Xegma(talk) 13:55, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Relist: Found source from Rolling Stone, Billboard, Time Out, NTS Radio, Resident Advisor and more I'm yet to add. Give this more time for Improvement. Pinging @User:onel5969, @User:Xegma, @User:Wcquidditch and @User:PamD. Esthersp (talk) 19:39, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Most if not all of those sources are passing coverage. They show she exists, but not that she's notable.

Kingsmasher678 (talk) 20:12, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also just caught and deleted a blatant copyright violation.

Kingsmasher678 (talk) 20:17, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed that and added a source from Cyclic Defrost. At least I tried. Esthersp (talk) 20:26, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She has released multiple albums under a major label which is (Adaadat). Most of the sources I added covers that too. Passes WP:NMUSIC. That's why I'm suggesting it should be Relisted. Esthersp (talk) 20:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, Adaadat is definitely not a major label. Passes neither WP:SIGCOV or WP:NMUSIC. Sorry.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 21:25, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's sad. Thanks anyway. Esthersp (talk) 02:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No man, don't get me wrong, I REALLY appriciate you tring to save an article. We should keep anything possible! Don't let it discourage you.

Kingsmasher678 (talk) 02:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's alright, it has been relisted already. I'm a female by the way. Esthersp (talk) 02:55, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oof, my bad. Sorry!

Kingsmasher678 (talk) 03:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting so that new sources can be assessed.
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Amit Ulman

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Not yet ready for mainspace as it doesn't meet WP:NACTOR, WP:ANYBIO and WP:MUSICBIO. May have been covered in his native language which I also checked, yet couldn't find any WP:SIGCOV also in English language. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:48, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, for several reasons:

(WP:NACTOR) The person has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. - At least in Israel it was defined as an innovative film in that the entire script is one long song, with almost all the dialogue written in rhymes and accompanied by musical instruments. ^[1]
WP:MUSICBIO Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart. - (If I understand correctly), one of his songs won tenth place in one of the Hebrew song charts in 2016.^[2]
WP:MUSICBIO Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability. - One of the leading rappers in Israel, certainly in the field of Poetry slam (he founded Poetry slam Israel).^[3]
WP:MUSICBIO Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, such as a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album. - Appeared and created the movie "This City"', appeared in "Plaot" (2013), "HaMora LeAnglit" (2019) and also appeared in the series "HaHanut SheYesh Ba Hakol" (2020-2021)^[4].

There is more, but I think this is enough. Eladkarmel (talk) 18:41, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

That's fine, but you still need sources that talk about the person. We don't have these. Oaktree b (talk) 23:09, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Hardly any sources that talk about this person. This was all I could find [20]. Just not enough for an article. Oaktree b (talk) 23:10, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - or possible redirect/merge to This City film which is the actual subject of the Jerusalem Post article that Oaktree b found. A BEFORE search found the same source, and a bunch of social media stuff, YouTube, Spotify, SoundCloud and other user-submitted content, a couple primary sources that don't confer notability, but nothing else. The sources above brought by the creator seem like churnalism and an unreliable source (IMDB.) I think he probably is quite talented, but that it is WP:TOOSOON for an encyclopedia entry. Maybe in a few more years... Netherzone (talk) 23:33, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm ok with a redirect to the film Oaktree b (talk) 14:55, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Although I am afraid of this article being retrieved after redirecting, I agree with redirecting to This City (film). Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 06:37, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge - Hebrew article seems well-sourced, and includes coverage from Walla, Haaretz, and Mako, all significant sources for Israeli topics + bonus of authority control for extra reference. Article may need to be expanded upon to prove its SIGCOV but it definitely exists if someone wants to add it, or it can be draftified and all content remaining merged. EytanMelech (talk) 22:32, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sarah Cheng-De Winne

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Nothing more than a promotional piece; fails GNG. KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 20:11, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

weak delete: Some coverage [21], [22], but it's celebrity gossip articles. Nothing really to build an article with. Oaktree b (talk) 22:12, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: Many sources here, including this, this, this, this, this and this. There's also this and this already in the article. Clearly passes GNG. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 09:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per the multiple reliable newspaper sources identified above which together show a pass of WP:GNG, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:41, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The sources are reliable even if they are in english, and TODAY is a reliable source. Alon9393 (talk) 03:47, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amadour

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Fails WP:NSINGER, WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. Note tag added. Present coverage all PR. Introducing Amadour, EP being released soon. scope_creep^Talk 16:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - This promotional biography of an emerging artist. The article is trying to cobble together notability-by-association. It doesn't matter who or how many well known artists someone has studied with or interviewed or written about or allegedly curated into shows. The article has been ref-bombed mostly with things he's written about others; student newspaper profiles in the Daily Bruin(UCLA); blog-ish PR advertorials such as Cultbytes a "strategic communications agency" (PR agency "online publication"); and user submitted content websites "submit your music!". Delete per WP:PROMO and WP:TOOSOON; does not meet WP:NARTIST. Netherzone (talk) 13:24, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Restore redirect to Saint Amadour. I can't remember how this came to be on my watchlist, possibly due to a previous article of this name that got deleted. If so, that does not seem to have been about the same person. There are potentially four claims to notability made here: As a visual artist, as a musician, as a writer and as a curator. None of those are substantiated. The article seems to be trying to inherit notability from minor connections to notable topics. The sources are poor. Many are just their writing, which provides verifiability that they have written, but proves no notability. The music coverage is minimal and one of the sources is a Tumblr blog. The visual/conceptual arts stuff is even thinner, most are just a single passing reference in coverage of group shows, mere entries on a list. There is potentially a fifth claim to notability in that they are described as an art critic here. What we seem to have here is a person who is trying various different things in and around the art world and who has yet to become notable for any one of them. Getting redirected to a (probably fictional) saint might seem like a bit of a kick in the teeth but it is the right thing to do, at least for now. --DanielRigal (talk) 17:32, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abhishek Malhan

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Runner up of the show and doing lots of music video is not enough for notability. Xegma(talk) 04:30, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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He is not only a runner up of a show, but a very popular indian youtuber too. Columbidae5 (talk) 06:44, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Stay, you have reliable sources The Times India, The Hindustan News, News18, among others, it also has encyclopedic development and maintains relevance in what it does as a video blogger. Alon9393 (talk) 22:21, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pretty Mary Sunshine

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources, only mentions. None of the links in the article are reliable sources. toweli (talk) 10:40, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete lack of WP:SIGCOV need more independent reliable sources. Xegma(talk) 17:36, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Réjane Magloire

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Appears to fail WP:NMUSICIAN. Couldn't find any significant coverage or chart listings. C F A 💬 23:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I’m not sure about this one. The current stub focuses on her acting as a supporting role in a film that lacks its own article (although it could be notable - Denzel Washington played opposite her. Can we hear from the relevant projects? Can someone please tag or list them? Bearian (talk) 01:19, 5 September 2024 (UTC) I vaguely recall this film, Wilma, because it was so terrible, like cult-status bad. Bearian (talk) 01:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:HEY. She had three charting singles and an album in multiple countries. I found a lot online. I’m not sure how deep the nom searched, or if they asked any Gen X person, or if they looked into stage and band names. Her acting career was marginally notable, but her musical career was big stuff. Even Mariah Carey covered one of her songs. Bearian (talk) 02:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rouzbeh Rafie

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Fails WP:COMPOSER. None of the sources here establish WP:GNG notability, either on account of not being independent (personal website, profile at Ulysses platform, which appears to allow self published pages, Ermes 404 a publisher of his music, an interview with Rafie), reliable (wordpress blog) or significant (pretty much all the other sources).

Criterion 3 of COMPOSER states that those who have written a composition that has won (or in some cases been given a second or other place) in a major music competition not established expressly for newcomers. may be notable, but none of the competitions he has won appear to be "major" (at the very least, they don't have Wikipedia articles) Mach61 23:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I added a few more reliable independent sources (e.g. Association of Iranian Contemporary Music Composers (ACIMC)).

In my opinion, Rafie meets criteria for Wikipedia:NMUSICOTHER, saying "Composers and performers outside mass media traditions may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria: Has composed a number of notable melodies, tunes, or standards used in a notable music genre."

The competitions are notable from my point of view, especially considering the small world of contemporary experimental (classical) music. E.G. a festival like MUSEQUAL https://www.kokonainenfestival.fi/?lang=en has a very good reputation, even without a wiki article Klaviermusikfan1972 (talk) 08:28, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Klaviermusikfan1972 None of the sources you added move the needle with regard to being independent and in-depth. (for example this is a profile on the website of an organization Rafie is a member of).

Rafie does not meet that criterion of NMUSICOTHER, because a "notable" composition is one that qualifies for an article, by having sources cover it. None of Rafie's originals have gotten that. Mach61 17:46, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lil Tony (Georgia rapper)

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Fails WP:NMUSICIAN. Could not find sources to establish either this or WP:ANYBIO. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:09, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Pitchfork and HIp Hop News are RS, we also have decent coverage in [23]. Not much coverage, but that's three sources and more than most articles we see in AfD Oaktree b (talk) 14:44, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Oaktree b Pitchfork and HipHop News are definitely reliable sources, but they do not provide the relevant significant coverage that we're looking out for. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:17, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Hip Hop Canada link I added above adds context, with the three, I think we have musical notability here. Oaktree b (talk) 18:44, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I respect your stand, by the way :) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:21, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I don't think Oaktree's sources add up to enough coverage to call this a WP:GNG pass. -- asilvering (talk) 20:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep per Oaktree. The notability isn't great, but it is (probably) sufficient. Walsh90210 (talk) 01:43, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alexis Strum

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I don't think the sources here meet WP:NBASIC or WP:NM, save for a writing credit on Why Not Us, which is rather weak on its own. Consult the table of relevant sources in the article. Nothing in my WP:before search was of higher quality.

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
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Templeton, Tom (31 July 2005). "Introducing...Alexis Strum". The Guardian. Retrieved 2 September 2023.			little content outside of fluff and quotes	✘ No
Scott, Danni (5 October 2023). "'A mix-up over ice cream on Lorraine cost me my music career 20 years ago – but now I'm back'". The Metro. Retrieved 5 October 2023.	~	WP:METRO		✘ No
Strum, Alexis (23 July 2023). "I'm finally the pop star I dreamed of becoming – and I'm in my forties". The Independent. Retrieved 2 September 2023.	written by Strum	~		✘ No
Krieger, Candice (3 March 2011). "Alexis Strum lands a starring role at your fingertips". The Jewish Chronicle. Retrieved 2 September 2023.			Short article from when watching TV on phones was novel, with a few sentences of background on Strum at the end.	✘ No
Glanvill, Natalie (17 June 2015). "Kylie Minogue Songwriter to stage Homeland meets Loose Women play". Guardian Series. Retrieved 2 September 2023.	Mostly quotes or other stuff obviously sourced to Strum	?	~	✘ No
"Comic documentary about failure in development". British Comedy Guide. 15 October 2018. Retrieved 2 September 2023.	mostly quotes from Strum	~		✘ No
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Comment: Did a teeny bit more searching, noting small amount of coverage here. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:23, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with the nomination for deletion.

Strum has co-written two songs on popular 00s albums - Come and Get it by Rachel Stevens and Still Standing by Kylie Minogue in addition to the single, Why Not Us? by Monrose.

Under Notability (music), Strum therefore qualifies under the criteria:

'Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition.'

In addition, Strum is eligible for inclusion under the criteria as a performer:

'Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart.'

'Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable).' ('Addicted' was released by Warner Bros. major label release - https://open.spotify.com/artist/49DJil4JyZdW8Upoilkfom?si=uoQw-rvcTSOKuvGOyykJkw - her second album 'Cocoon' was also a major label recording, which was shelved and has now been released and distributed on an 'independent label with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable - https://open.spotify.com/album/7vNUTEQtnCVWel68cxx5sC?si=fMuK_Zl5Q1mgtyt1TSqOAQ and https://hmv.com/store/music/cd/cocoon)

Her listing is incomplete, but she is featured on the UK Official Charts Company website: https://www.officialcharts.com/artist/alexis-strum/

In addition, she has released two albums as a recording artist, which are widely available on all streaming platforms, with 8.3k monthly streams on Spotify.

She is also eligible for inclusion under:

'Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, such as a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article. Read the policy and notability guideline on subjects notable only for one event, for further clarifications).'

Go My Own Way was the theme tune to the 'network television show' Vital Signs (TV Show) in the UK, which aired on ITV, starring Tamzin Outhwaite.

She is also eligible for inclusion under:

'Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network.'

The music video for Bad Haircut featured Tom Ellis and was aired on The Box and MTV Hits, and has over 100,000 views on YoUTube.

She is also eligible for inclusion under:

'Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.'

The album 'Cocoon' has received a large amount of press attention since its initial planned release in 2006:

- https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/music/alexis-strum---cocoon-mercury-1024671 - https://retropopmagazine.com/alexis-strum-cocoon-album-review/

Strum's music career has also been the feature of multiple, non-trivial, published works, as well as being mentioned in articles where she has been listed as a musical performer, worthy of note:

- https://metro.co.uk/2023/10/04/lorraine-mix-up-destroyed-alexis-strums-career-for-20-years-19596176/ - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgl7ld1glk3o - https://www.aol.com/clean-bandit-were-told-stop-233558500.html?guccounter=1 - https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/pop-star-music-alexis-strum-album-b2380472.html - https://player.winamp.com/podcasts/womans-hour-podcast-e59d55dc59 - https://www.theguardian.com/music/2005/aug/23/popandrock - https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/festival-finalises-acts-for-v-line-up-12712 - https://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/13337233.kylie-minogue-songwriter-stage-homeland-meets-loose-women-play/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevebritney (talk • contribs) 13:53, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as well as the above mentioned sources such as The Guardian and the Metro (not convinced it is completely unreliable as the discussion was not clear-cut at RSN) there is also a staff written bio at AllMusic here, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:06, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've just gone through the RSN discussion links for the Metro and Im not finding any substantial discussion directly about it so unless Im missing a discussion it seems to have been quite a leap to list it as unreliable without a proper discussion, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:17, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Greg Schiemer

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Last AfD was no consensus. Renominating as per previous statement: Fails WP:MUSICBIO. Most of the supplied sources are not WP:SIGCOV about him LibStar (talk) 23:38, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Delete. Links appear when you do a basic Google search. However as per nominator, I also think those may not meet WP:SIGCOV criteria. Prof.PMarini (talk) 00:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I think some of the sources given in the article can count as SIGCOV, and as long as you have some sources that are SIGCOV, that many of the sources are just trivial mentions make no difference to the subject's notability. I can also see his works being mentioned in books and journals - [24][25][26], while those may not be considered in-depth discussions of his works (but not quite trivial either), they do show that he is known enough to be considered someone noteworthy. Hzh (talk) 22:52, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep honestly, I don't see a big problem with the article. It seems to be a musical artist. It maintains reliable sources reasonably concise, unlike other articles that do not have it and is more verifiable. On the other hand, the content, at least in its current form, does not seem to me to be bad enough to remain on Wikipedia, perhaps that is precisely what gives it a more encyclopedic tone. --Alon9393 (talk) 16:15, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep This one is definitely boarder line and could go either way. I think there are just enough RS references to justify keeping the article, but would not object if there was a consensus among editors to delete. Go4thProsper (talk) 06:58, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ulrich Lange

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Only source is a self-published website anyone can edit. It's certainly possible that this could be a notable topic, although I was unable to locate entries in standard music reference works that cover people like this such as the New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians or Baker's Biographical Dictionary of Musicians. Both foreign language wiki articles are built off of the same source. A reasonable WP:ATD could be redirecting this to Thomaskantor. 4meter4 (talk) 14:59, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep, I found mentions of him in some books:

Bach's Famous Choir, The Saint Thomas School in Leipzig, 1212-1804, devotes about a paragraph to Lange on page 22, where it's mentioned that he composed St Mark Passion which was performed into the 17th century

The Renaissance: From the 1470s to the End of the 16th Century, gives another paragraph to the subject on page 276 Microplastic Consumer (talk) 16:48, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately the second source is only available in snippet view, so it is hard to judge the depth of coverage. The first source largely covers his contributions as Thomaskantor which could easily be used to expand that article. I'm still not convinced a separate article is needed on this person. It's borderline.4meter4 (talk) 17:55, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a screenshot from that second book. More digging found a german language source from 1920 published by the University of Illinois; Geschichte der deutschen Musik von den Anfängen bis zum Beginn des Dreissigjährigen Krieges which on page 411 discusses Lange. Monatschrift für Gottesdienst und kirchliche Kunst mentions him on page 184 as well.

Meister der Renaissancemusik an der Viadrina, Quellenbeiträge zur Geisteskultur des Nordosten Deutschlands vor dem Dreissigjährigen Kriege seems to have some info on Lange (p 78) prior to being Thomaskantor, but is just a snippet. Microplastic Consumer (talk) 18:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment same source [27] as used in my discussion for the Otto AfD (right above this one)... I'm more clear about Otto's deletion discussion than this one, I'm not sure if this person is notable or not. Otto has a lack of sourcing.Oaktree b (talk) 05:04, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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