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Template:...[edit]

Hi, this is to inform you, as a contributor to Template:..., about a discussion at Template talk:... regarding the purpose of this template. Knowing your circumstances, you may comment here and I can copy to the talk page. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:02, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The Signpost: 30 October 2013[edit]

Medicine/Recent changes[edit]

Hi Rich. I don't think we've ever interacted. I do a bit of editing on medical pages. Until about a year ago I used to begin my day by clicking on your Special:RecentChangesLinked/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Recent_changes and spend the next hour or fifteen reviewing all the changes since I last looked. Doc James and several others in various time zones used your tool too, and we managed to keep a high degree of scrutiny on en.WP's medical content.

I want to resume patrolling but your tool isn't working any more! just listing recent changes to articles beginning with "A". I will fully understand if you're not interested (and thank you for making and maintaining it for as long as you did) but if you are interested, and are permitted to by whatever this block was about, can you tell me what to do to get it working again, please?

Is there any chance the WMF would take over or replicate and maintain this tool? Would that be a good thing? (I've raised this at VPT, Bot requests and on Boghog's talk page. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 06:47, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Useful tool. Would like to see it working again aswell. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 12:13, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Articles to be expanded with sources[edit]

Hi, should Template:Articles to be expanded with sources progress be nominated for deletion as an unused template? --Eleassar my talk 22:10, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it seems so, Eleassar, as should the following categories:
All derive from the now (sadly, and perhaps wrongly, certainly ham-fistedly) deleted {{Expand further}} (or it's poorly named alias {{Expand article}}). Unless another template uses these apparatus they serves no purpose any more. Rich Farmbrough, 12:18, 30 October 2013 (UTC).[reply]
Thank you. I've nominated for deletion the template;[1] for the rest, I'll leave it to others, because I'm not sure what may and what may not be deleted. --Eleassar my talk 08:02, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The Signpost: 06 November 2013[edit]

Category:Kaleidoscope albums[edit]

Category:Kaleidoscope albums, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Armbrust The Homunculus 00:37, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please check references for 2 pages Family of Duchess of Cambridge and Gibside THanks so much Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.138.209 (talk) 10:56, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination for deletion of Template:In popular culture[edit]

Template:In popular culture has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Trackinfo (talk) 07:19, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of -ismist Recordings[edit]

The article -ismist Recordings has been proposed for deletion. The proposed deletion notice added to the article should explain why.

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24.158.167.119 (talk) 03:49, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Belmont (1899)[edit]

This edit appears to be a copyvio from the source here. Deeper checking would be good, of course. Should anyone wish to re-write and expand the article, additional information can be found in a near contemporary letter here, and I'm sure in many other places.

Rich Farmbrough, 19:11, 14 November 2013 (UTC).[reply]

I have rewritten the article. Huon (talk) 20:58, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you.Rich Farmbrough, 01:58, 15 November 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Vandalism[edit]

This edit. Rich Farmbrough, 01:58, 15 November 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Normal text?[edit]

Just wondering what you meant by "normal text" in this 2006 edit.

There's some confusion in a discussion at the mixed martial arts Wikiproject regarding whether this applies to fight result tables. Clarification would be appreciated. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:24, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Wikipedia is written for an international audience, many of whom are not likely to be familiar with what are, after all, postal abbreviations (worse AL is also the international code for Albania, for example). So any abbreviations that are region specific are best avoided wherever possible. I am always wary of making rules, which is why I appended the, perhaps imprecise, caveat "normal text", clearly quotations and template parameters are exceptions. As to tables that is a grey area, I would be reluctant to censure - indeed I would never censure - someone for attempting to make table columns narrower, or rows consistently short, although I might disagree with the method. However things are not as simple as we would sometimes like them to be, which in this case is a good thing.
For example the table at [2] displays with single line rows on my main monitor. And indeed there are other options than using state abbreviations to compactify the table, certainly there is no need to spell out "United States" - if, in this case, it is needed at all, US may be used (the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code, preferred in Wikipedia), or in certain sports articles associated with FIFA or the IOC "USA" where three letter abbreviations are used throughout the table for countries (though one may question this general usage since, almost invariably, it is seen necessary to add flag icons).
In some cases it may be better to decide a column not to be wrapped, or to encourage or force wrapping in a column, the use of "small" text is not to be encouraged - most users will have the default text at a comfortable size, either they must peer at our "small" text, or zoom in, which makes the table wrapping problems worse than when we started. And in this case {{MMA record start}} already sets "font-size: 85%;".
In the example below we have full state names (though arguably not all are necessary), US for United stated, I have removed BC for Vancover, and replaced England with UK (though simply "London" would probably be OK). The longest row is "São Bernardo do Campo, Brazil", so in this example it is possible to have one's cake and eat it.
Res. Record Opponent Method Event Date Round Time Location Notes
Loss 16–3 Cain Velasquez TKO (slam and punch) UFC 166 Oct 19, 2013 5 3:09 Houston, Texas, US For the UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 16–2 Mark Hunt KO (spinning hook kick) UFC 160 May 25, 2013 3 4:18 Las Vegas, Nevada, US Fight of the Night.
Loss 15–2 Cain Velasquez Decision (unanimous) UFC 155 Dec 29, 2012 5 5:00 Las Vegas, Nevada, US Lost the UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 15–1 Frank Mir TKO (punches) UFC 146 May 26, 2012 2 3:04 Las Vegas, Nevada, US Defended the UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 14–1 Cain Velasquez KO (punches) UFC on Fox 1 Nov 12, 2011 1 1:04 Anaheim, California, US Won the UFC Heavyweight Championship; Knockout of the Night.
Win 13–1 Shane Carwin Decision (unanimous) UFC 131 Jun 11, 2011 3 5:00 Vancouver, Canada UFC Heavyweight title eliminator.
Win 12–1 Roy Nelson Decision (unanimous) UFC 117 Aug 7, 2010 3 5:00 Oakland, California, US
Win 11–1 Gabriel Gonzaga KO (punches) UFC Live: Vera vs. Jones Mar 21, 2010 1 3:53 Broomfield, Colorado, US Knockout of the Night.
Win 10–1 Gilbert Yvel TKO (punches) UFC 108 Jan 2, 2010 1 2:07 Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Win 9–1 Mirko Filipović TKO (eye injury) UFC 103 Sep 19, 2009 3 2:00 Dallas, Texas, US
Win 8–1 Stefan Struve TKO (punches) UFC 95 Feb 21, 2009 1 0:54 London, UK
Win 7–1 Fabricio Werdum KO (punches) UFC 90 Oct 25, 2008 1 1:20 Rosemont, Illinois, US Knockout of the Night.
Win 6–1 Geronimo dos Santos TKO (doctor stoppage) Demo Fight 3 May 24, 2008 1 0:44 Salvador, Brazil
Loss 5–1 Joaquim Ferreira Submission (armbar) MTL: Final Nov 10, 2007 1 1:11 São Paulo, Brazil
Win 5–0 Jair Goncalves TKO (punches) Mo Team League 2 Sep 29, 2007 1 2:52 São Paulo, Brazil
Win 4–0 Joaquim Ferreira TKO (retirement) XFC: Brazil Apr 29, 2007 1 5:20 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Win 3–0 Edson Ramos TKO (doctor stoppage) XFC: Brazil Apr 29, 2007 1 8:45 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Win 2–0 Eduardo Maiorino Submission (guillotine choke) Minotauro Fights 5 Dec 9, 2006 1 0:50 São Bernardo do Campo, Brazil
Win 1–0 Jailson Silva Santos KO (soccer kick) Demo Fight 1 Jul 16, 2006 1 2:58 Salvador, Brazil
Here I have inserted three forced breaks to narrow the table:
Res. Record Opponent Method Event Date Round Time Location Notes
Loss 16–3 Cain Velasquez TKO (slam and punch) UFC 166 Oct 19, 2013 5 3:09 Houston, Texas, US For the UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 16–2 Mark Hunt KO (spinning hook kick) UFC 160 May 25, 2013 3 4:18 Las Vegas, Nevada, US Fight of the Night.
Loss 15–2 Cain Velasquez Decision (unanimous) UFC 155 Dec 29, 2012 5 5:00 Las Vegas, Nevada, US Lost the UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 15–1 Frank Mir TKO (punches) UFC 146 May 26, 2012 2 3:04 Las Vegas, Nevada, US Defended the UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 14–1 Cain Velasquez KO (punches) UFC on Fox 1 Nov 12, 2011 1 1:04 Anaheim, California, US Won the UFC Heavyweight Championship;
Knockout of the Night.
Win 13–1 Shane Carwin Decision (unanimous) UFC 131 Jun 11, 2011 3 5:00 Vancouver, Canada UFC Heavyweight title eliminator.
Win 12–1 Roy Nelson Decision (unanimous) UFC 117 Aug 7, 2010 3 5:00 Oakland, California, US
Win 11–1 Gabriel Gonzaga KO (punches) UFC Live: Vera vs. Jones Mar 21, 2010 1 3:53 Broomfield, Colorado, US Knockout of the Night.
Win 10–1 Gilbert Yvel TKO (punches) UFC 108 Jan 2, 2010 1 2:07 Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Win 9–1 Mirko Filipović TKO (eye injury) UFC 103 Sep 19, 2009 3 2:00 Dallas, Texas, US
Win 8–1 Stefan Struve TKO (punches) UFC 95 Feb 21, 2009 1 0:54 London, UK
Win 7–1 Fabricio Werdum KO (punches) UFC 90 Oct 25, 2008 1 1:20 Rosemont, Illinois, US Knockout of the Night.
Win 6–1 Geronimo dos Santos TKO (doctor stoppage) Demo Fight 3 May 24, 2008 1 0:44 Salvador, Brazil
Loss 5–1 Joaquim Ferreira Submission (armbar) MTL: Final Nov 10, 2007 1 1:11 São Paulo, Brazil
Win 5–0 Jair Goncalves TKO (punches) Mo Team League 2 Sep 29, 2007 1 2:52 São Paulo, Brazil
Win 4–0 Joaquim Ferreira TKO (retirement) XFC: Brazil Apr 29, 2007 1 5:20 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Win 3–0 Edson Ramos TKO (doctor stoppage) XFC: Brazil Apr 29, 2007 1 8:45 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Win 2–0 Eduardo Maiorino Submission
(guillotine choke) 		Minotauro Fights 5 Dec 9, 2006 1 0:50 São Bernardo do Campo,
Brazil
Win 1–0 Jailson Silva Santos KO (soccer kick) Demo Fight 1 Jul 16, 2006 1 2:58 Salvador, Brazil
I hope that is useful.
All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 18:49, 14 November 2013 (UTC).[reply]
Thank you. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:51, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, thanks for your assistance. It seems that we are focusing (in this discussion) unnecessary attention on the states, when they are listed in the column mainly to distinguish the location of the city. In fact, it got so pedantic that at one stage, some editors insisted on standardising the City, State, Country template, resulting in e.g. "Saitama, Saitama, Japan", where "Saitama, Japan" is perfectly understandable and acceptable. In fact during this current discussion somebody even suggested removing the Location column. It's just a waste of space to bloat the column by spelling out the longer states, e.g. "California" (repeatedly), "Massachusetts", etc. when the state itself contributes little value to the purpose of the table.
Also, I do not agree with "London, UK" - the country is England. It sounds ok for London, because London is also the capital of the UK, therefore we often come across reference to "London, UK", however this familiarity does not extend to, e.g. "Birmingham, UK", which should be "Birmingham, England".
Finally, forced line breaks in the content to improve column display are elegant, but will never last. We would have to insert a comment stating the intention, and also argue forever to defend it. In the HW c'ship history I replaced a line break (with explanation) before "Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira" (below "14. Brock Lesnar") 3-4 times before I lost interest. 110.32.169.30 (talk) 15:21, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that provided the meaning is clear, it is not necessary to use the "first level administrative distinct", or even the country. My preference would be that London, (or, were they in the table, New York, Tokyo, Paris) could be left unadorned. Of course there are other Londons (and at least one other Paris), but the meaning is clear. Similarly, Las Vagas, São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Dallas and Houston are all well-known cities, Anaheim and one or two others less so. It is, however, common in American journalism to state US places with their state names, it must be an editorial decision whether to omit them in a table, and is probably unwise to have a ruling on this - even for a specific project such as MMA.
In more detail on the tangential point, while "London, England" was a very common Americanism, spawned no doubt by the confusion of terminology (while British Isles, United Kingdom, Great Britain, Britain, England all now have reasonably well defined meanings they have not always been so clear - indeed "England" as a synonym for "Great Britain" has relatively recent currency), the trend for Birmingham is to disambiguate (if at all which is rare) with "UK"[3]
Rich Farmbrough, 18:31, 15 November 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Technical query[edit]

Script: http://bits.wikimedia.org/en.wikipedia.org/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=ext.coreEvents.httpsSupport%7Cext.eventLogging%2CnavigationTiming%2Cthanks%7Cext.gadget.BugStatusUpdate%2CDRN-wizard%2CNoAnimations%2CNoSmallFonts%2CReferenceTooltips%2CTwinkle%2Ccharinsert%2Cedittop%2Cexlinks%2CmySandbox%2Cpurgetab%2Cteahouse%7Cext.gettingstarted.logging%2CopenTask%7Cjquery.autoEllipsis%2CcheckboxShiftClick%2Chidpi%2ChighlightText%2CmakeCollapsible%2Cmw-jump%2Cplaceholder%2Csuggestions%7Cmediawiki.action.view.postEdit%2CrightClickEdit%7Cmediawiki.api.watch%7Cmediawiki.cldr%2Chidpi%2CjqueryMsg%2Clanguage%2CsearchSuggest%2Cui%7Cmediawiki.language.data%2Cinit%7Cmediawiki.page.ready%7Cmediawiki.page.watch.ajax%7Cmobile.desktop%7Cmw.MwEmbedSupport.style%7Cmw.PopUpMediaTransform%7Cschema.Echo%2CEchoInteraction%2CEchoMail%2CEdit%2CGettingStartedNavbar%2CNavigationTiming&skin=monobook&version=20130817T213130Z&*:553

is giving timeouts - any idea why? The script url is enough to give me timeouts and wonder if something is fundamentally wrong here. Rich Farmbrough, 21:42, 17 August 2013 (UTC).[reply]

The script is 626 kBytes. For a site where 64 kByte of content generates a "long page" warning this seems an unacceptable overhead. Can someone please copy this to VP:T. Rich Farmbrough, 09:42, 30 October 2013 (UTC).[reply]
Many thanks! Rich Farmbrough, 12:06, 30 October 2013 (UTC).[reply]
Per the discussion I removed almost all gadgets, I still get timeouts. Rich Farmbrough, 18:50, 15 November 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Another copyvio[edit]

(The edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Endoscopy&diff=next&oldid=577655609) Rich Farmbrough, 19:44, 15 November 2013 (UTC).[reply]

The Signpost: 13 November 2013[edit]

Info settlement sw[edit]

Hi Richard, are you available for some help on sw again? One issue with the present template on Infobox Settlement is that it gives a line

Idadi ya wakazi
- Mji

and this "-Mji" should be out - makes no sense (most places are not "mji"). OK, I cancelled the two mentions og mji - kinmdly have a look if it is ok

Other questions; are you familiar with bots? We have most of these settlements inTanzania with the figures from the 2002 census. By now the figures for 2012 census are available. We need a way to adapt these figures. Do you have an idea for that? Kipala (talk) 09:43, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Interwiki if redlink[edit]

Hi Rich

I've just discovered the existence of Template:Interwiki if redlink which you created in 2010. However there is no documentation associated with it to explain what it does, and the what links here shows only two transclusions neither of which are elucidatory regarding its purpose.

Please could you give a brief overview of what it does and indicate whether it is still needed. (please ping me when you reply) Cheers, Thryduulf (talk) 11:04, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly. Suppose we have an entity which is covered on an another Wikipedia, and which should have an article on en:. We want to provide the reader with a link to the article, and a red-link to encourage creation of the en: article. Once the en:article is created the link to the other Wikipedia can be suppressed (it will be available as an inter-wiki from the English article of course).
The parameters are
{{Interwiki if redlink|<local article name>|<(pseudo) ISO 639 language code of other Wikipedia>|<article name on other Wikipedia>}}
The code could be improved to categorise pages where the redlink has turned blue, for removal by a bot, but at the moment that would be a little bit of overkill.
The template is needed for the page on which it is used, whether it could be usefully employed elsewhere is left as an exercise for the reader.
All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 17:12, 20 November 2013 (UTC).[reply]


Hi Rich[edit]

Hi Rich. Been a while. Miss you as a friend Admin and your help. Best Wishes. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 21:17, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for those kind words. Rich Farmbrough, 17:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Category:Tribe of Heaven albums[edit]

Category:Tribe of Heaven albums, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. –Dream out loud (talk) 18:32, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree on first blush, that now the album page is a redirect, this should go. However it might be useful as a sub-category of Category:Dave Matthews albums. Rich Farmbrough, 17:54, 20 November 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Search error[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&search=Some+Half-Remembered+Thing+&fulltext=Search&ns0=1&ns4=1&ns10=1&ns14=1&ns100=1&redirs=1&profile=advanced

Appears to be reproducible. Rich Farmbrough, 17:57, 20 November 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Helpful Pixie Bot Edit[edit]

Hi Rich. You might want to take a look at this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Potnia_Theron&diff=491528266&oldid=461258860

The bot didn't do exactly what was intended, i.e. the {{Please check ISBN}} template did not add the article to Category:Articles with invalid ISBNs. Best regards, (sdsds - talk) 08:28, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) It did add the page to Category:Articles with invalid ISBNs but to see that at the bottom of the page, you need to make sure that "Show hidden categories" is enabled at Preferences → Appearance. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:57, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Suez Crisis[edit]

s/24 Labour PMs/24 Labour MPs/

This typo has been present for over a year, illustrating the difficulties of curation vs creation.

Rich Farmbrough, 01:18, 24 November 2013 (UTC).[reply]
 Done Thsnk you. —rybec 03:13, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 20 November 2013[edit]

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