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May 11[edit]
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RD: Sam Rubin[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Sammi Brie (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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American TV entertainment reporter. Article tripled in size and fortified with 20+ new references. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 08:40, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Article looks mostly fine, but there are still some issues. The infobox has some stuff that isn't in the prose and also unsourced, namely the names of his spouses, how long he was married to them and how many children he had with each of them (prose just says that he was twice married and has four kids), and that he won the "Associated Press Television and Radio Award" (not mentioned in prose at all). Also his DoB isn't in the prose and is unsourced as well. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 10:19, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) May 2024 solar storms[edit]
Blurb: Major solar storms impact the Earth, creating displays of Northern Lights (pictured) at southerly latitudes. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, NYT, NOAA Space Weather Center
Credits:
- Nominated by 75.81.94.213 (talk · give credit)
- Created by UpEpSilon (talk · give credit)
- Updated by CoronalMassAffection (talk · give credit), Hunalbe19 (talk · give credit) and Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
Largest solar storm in decades. 75.81.94.213 (talk) 04:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Wait - the northern lights don't seem to be much further south than has been observed on several occasions during the last year or two. I'd think we'd need something more noteworthy - a power grid failure or something. Nfitz (talk) 05:05, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, but support The article as it stands right now is seriously underselling it; the aurora has reportedly reached all the way down to Jamaica at 18 degrees north. Ionmars10 (talk) 05:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Strike while the iron is hot The aurora is visible right now where it's dark and will persist into the weekend. But it's dawn where I am and so I've missed last night but will be looking out for a recurrence on Saturday night as I've never seen an aurora. As time is of the essence, we should get this posted immediately to alert everyone. Note that this is not just a light show but this major solar storm might affect infrastructure too. Andrew🐉(talk) 05:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- You're in the UK right? I wasn't able to catch it in London yesterday. I think there will be some activity tonight as well PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Largest event in many years.... severe effect on radio communications. Ariconte (talk) 06:33, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Agree with Andrew. Post this now while people can still go outside and see it; no need to wait for a disaster. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 06:58, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Proposed initial blurb is northern hemisphere biased. Spectacular aurora australis has also been seen much more northerly than usual. dmmaus (talk) 07:49, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support This is the largest solar storm in over thirty years, definitely news worthy. The article doesn't have quality issues. --NoonIcarus (talk) 08:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support This is a worldwide event with multiple news and government agencies reporting on it, specifically stating that a storm of this kind hasn't hit the Earth since 2003. I also support dmmaus's comment to reword the blurb, since these aurora are happening in the southern hemisphere too. I'm not sure if I can directly edit the template, but I'd change the blurb to something like "Major solar storms impact Earth, resulting in communication disruptions and displays of aurorae visible at medium-low latitudes " SpacePod9 (talk) 08:25, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per everyone above me. The linked article is well-referenced and gives a basic overview of what's happening, though I think the article should place a greater emphasis on the fact that these solar storms are the most powerful in over 30 years. Kurtis (talk) 08:43, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Per everyone else. I see @Dmmaus's point about northern hemisphere bias, as the Aurora Australis has also been intense over Australia, New Zealand, Chile, and Argentina, but the vast majority of the aurora sightings are in the North, and I don't really see a better way to phrase it. Maybe 'displays of the Northern and Southern Lights seen at lower latitudes'. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:16, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 09:39, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality. Far too many uncited statements for such a short (barely more than a stub) article, and the thing in the hook about more northerly and southerly latitudes also isn't cited. Posting seems premature. — Amakuru (talk) 10:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting comment. The phrasing "than usual" is subjective. We should perhaps list some specific places closest to the equator on each side to indicate extremities of latitude. For example: Florida, Italy/Bulgaria, and South Africa. Or, suggest alternate wording. 70.27.84.88 (talk) 11:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting pull Way too short of an article and there appear to be quality problems with it. Just because its covered worldwide doesn't mean it is ITN appropriate. --Masem (t) 12:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Do Not Pull By Frank Bainimarama standards, this isn't so uncited (and not even a living person). InedibleHulk (talk) 12:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
(Ready) RD: Hans Wahlgren[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2], [3]
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by BabbaQ (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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— Preceding unsigned comment added by BabbaQ (talk • contribs) 17:55, 2024 May 10 (UTC)
- Support Article seems well-sourced, albeit short. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:30, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
RD: Jim Simons[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-10/jim-simons-quant-king-at-renaissance-technologies-dies-at-86, https://www.simonsfoundation.org/2024/05/10/simons-foundation-co-founder-mathematician-and-investor-jim-simons-dies-at-86/
Credits:
- Nominated by QueensanditsCrazy (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 16:44, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Philanthropist, mathematician, and hedge fund manager with a longstanding reputation for success in that field. Article has been updated and looks reasonable to me - no orange tags? QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 16:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD for the most useful donor to science. Connor Behan (talk) 17:04, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good and and is pretty big, however it could use another sentence on his death. Normalman101 (talk) 17:19, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
May 9[edit]
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RD: Cam McCarthy[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
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Australian rules footballer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:37, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
RD: Rex Murphy[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
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Canadian commentator and author.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:34, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
RD: Yvonne Mokgoro[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): South African Government News Agency
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
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South African Judge.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:31, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
RD: Sean Burroughs[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
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Updating and sourcing in progress. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:39, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
2024 Chadian presidential election[edit]
Blurb: Mahamat Déby (pictured) is elected the President of Chad. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Mahamat Déby (pictured) is declared the winner of Chad's presidential election.
Alternative blurb II: Mahamat Déby (pictured) is elected the President of Chad.
News source(s): AP News, BBC, France 24, Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit) and Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Chose to direct to Mahamat Déby over 2024 Chadian presidential election, but provided it as an option in the second alt blurb. Swapped photos because main article page has an American flag in the background, and that might be a little confusing. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 05:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support both Déby's article and election article looks good enough to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the election article doesn't even have key results like the %age of votes each candidate won. And election article is the logical article to bold if we only bold 1. Joseph2302 (talk) 06:34, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Bold both we don't have to choose between them, we can just bold them both. Amended the nomination accordingly. Currently the election article is okay for prose, but the infobox and statistics really need expanding. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Abcmaxx - I figured there would be more resistance to highlighting the election article. Official tallies will be hard to come by at the moment as it is provisional. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:09, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Updated what I could, based on what I could find. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 09:07, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Abcmaxx - I figured there would be more resistance to highlighting the election article. Official tallies will be hard to come by at the moment as it is provisional. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:09, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I think it's good to mention that there's been many accusations of electoral fraud, and this is generally not considered to be a free and fair democratic exercise PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- This came up with the most recent election which resulted in Putin remaining in office, and the general consensus seemed to lean towards letting the article speak to that and keeping the blurb as concise as possible while remaining non-controversial. I believe there was a talk discussion as well. Kcmastrpc (talk) 11:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- I personally disagree, I think whether or not an election is an actual democratic election is important to mention. Shall we also post the 2024 North Korean elections? I hear it's gonna be a close race, I wonder who will win PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- This is the reason I made alt1. He has been declared the winner by the electoral commission and reliable sources are saying he won. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 15:59, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah that might be the better option, saying the he has been declared the winner by the electoral commission rather than 'elected'. So, Support alt blurb I PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:03, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- This is the reason I made alt1. He has been declared the winner by the electoral commission and reliable sources are saying he won. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 15:59, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- I personally disagree, I think whether or not an election is an actual democratic election is important to mention. Shall we also post the 2024 North Korean elections? I hear it's gonna be a close race, I wonder who will win PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- This came up with the most recent election which resulted in Putin remaining in office, and the general consensus seemed to lean towards letting the article speak to that and keeping the blurb as concise as possible while remaining non-controversial. I believe there was a talk discussion as well. Kcmastrpc (talk) 11:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt1 - I think the articles are good enough now. We want to avoid editorializing at all so I'm opposed to saying outright that the election was fraudulent, but I think saying Deby was "declared the winner" is more accurate than saying he was fairly elected ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:39, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt1 - the election article (which needs to be bolded) now appears to be in good shape from the earlier comments. Deby's is already good, and there's zero harm to bold that as well. --Masem (t) 14:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support ALT1 per above. The Kip 17:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Colleen Barrett[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Kenmelken (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Former president of Southwest Airlines and founding figure in the airline. I got this article cleaned up a few years ago, so it should be pretty good to go. Kenmelken (talk) 17:24, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support - nice work! ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 17:55, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- There needs to be at least one sentence of prose on her death. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:49, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is in good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:51, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support - I added some updates and an image. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 06:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is good enough for RD, if we can find a cause of death that would make it a clear decision Normalman101 (talk) 14:27, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:31, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war[edit]
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR, Reuters, NYT, Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
- Created by Kencf0618 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: This is discussed at the ITN talk page. Currently Ongoing lists four wars but only links timelines for two of them. All these wars have timeline pages and it seems arbitrary and inconsistent to just give timelines for two of them. As the Israel-Hamas war now has a huge and sprawling number of pages, it would be sensible to link its timeline too. Note that it has multiple timeline pages and so the overall one seems best as the starting point for readers. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support if the Russian invasion and Sudanese civil war articles have them, then I see no reason why such a complex and much-covered conflict shouldn't be in the same format. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Not opposing this, but we probably can talk removal of the Myanmar conflict, no updates since 27 April. --Masem (t) 12:18, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support to keep things consistent, but I would target Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war (12 January 2024 – present) as the timeline article instead, since the Russia/Ukraine link targets the most recent sub-timeline ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 14:49, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- The Russo-Ukrainian way aside, it would also make sense because the originally proposed article isn't a timeline at all. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:21, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support as one of the original proponents for adding (timelines) to ongoing for the sake of consistency. — Knightoftheswords 16:23, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above, no real reason not to. The Kip 17:26, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support I think this is a clear decision, as one of the most heated and pressing ongoing conflicts, getting press worldwide, this definitely deserves a timeline. Normalman101 (talk) 19:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support for consistency This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support timelines for both on the basis of consistency. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war (12 January 2024 – present) to ongoing. Stephen 03:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Frank Bainimarama jailed[edit]
Blurb: Former Prime Minister of Fiji Frank Bainimarama has been jailed for perverting the course of justice. (Post)
Alternative blurb: On appeal, Former Prime Minister of Fiji Frank Bainimarama is sentenced to a year in jail for attempted perverting the course of justice.
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Jailing of a head of state is a very rare occurrence, especially such a recent one too. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support, the article looks comprehensive and well cited. Maybe "perverting the course of justice" could be written better. Tone 11:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Sounds like he's already been convicted. Maybe changing the blurb to "Former Prime Minister of Fiji Frank Bainimarama is sentenced to one year in prison for perverting the course of justice." would be more precise?Estreyeria (talk) 15:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Notes The Guardian story above says he was convicted of attempting to pervert the course of justice. It also says first he was sentenced for perverting it. Maybe this means the attempt was successful and maybe it means the reporter was just being succinct earlier. In any case, we should become sure, somehow. Same for the five CN tags. I'm also not sure if there's a distinction between jail (for short sentences) and prison (for long hauls) in Fiji; are you? InedibleHulk (talk) 15:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- In British English jail and prison mean the same thing, in the UK legally there is no such thing as jail. In Canada and the USA jails and prisons are two different places with slightly different functions. The Fijian legal (and political) system is likely to be based on the British system but if we have any Fijian Wikipedians or more likely Australian or New Zealander Wikipedians on here who have a better insight, then that would be great. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- You are correct. Jail (or rather gaol) and prison are one and the same in a lot of Westminster countries. Jail/gaol tends to be the more colloquial/conversational term whereas prison is the official term. Whereas in NA, jail tends to refer to mini-prisons ran by local governments (i.e. counties) while prison is those ran by state/provincial and federal governments. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- In some huge counties, the jails make state prisons look tiny. The main reason is that prisons only house convicted criminals, while jails hold untried suspects and small-time ("two years less a day" or "misdemeanor") convicts. Glad we're sure about Fiji now, though, thanks. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- You are correct. Jail (or rather gaol) and prison are one and the same in a lot of Westminster countries. Jail/gaol tends to be the more colloquial/conversational term whereas prison is the official term. Whereas in NA, jail tends to refer to mini-prisons ran by local governments (i.e. counties) while prison is those ran by state/provincial and federal governments. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- In British English jail and prison mean the same thing, in the UK legally there is no such thing as jail. In Canada and the USA jails and prisons are two different places with slightly different functions. The Fijian legal (and political) system is likely to be based on the British system but if we have any Fijian Wikipedians or more likely Australian or New Zealander Wikipedians on here who have a better insight, then that would be great. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support - he was the longtime leader and psuedo-dictator of Fiji, the fact he's now heading to prison seems notable enough for the front page. The Kip 17:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Pending Citations InedibleHulk (talk) 17:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:37, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 03:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Is this an indication that multiple tagged paragraphs are no longer a problem for biographies, no longer a problem for biographies of living people or no longer a problem for biographies of politicians? None of the above? In any case, don't pull; just seems odd. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:35, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
May 8[edit]
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RD: Moosa Raza[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Indian civil servant.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:23, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
RD: Chris Cannon[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deseret News
Credits:
- Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Kelisi (talk · give credit)
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Former U.S. representative. One orange-tagged section. Curbon7 (talk) 21:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article needs a bit more sourcing. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:53, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Jimmy Johnson (cornerback)[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:
- Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Looks to be in solid shape. Natg 19 (talk) 19:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support article looks good to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:54, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support - good shape ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:31, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
RD: Ramón Fonseca Mora[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ICIJ
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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a Panamanian novelist, lawyer and co-founder of Mossack Fonseca.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article needs more sourcing particularly in the works section. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
RD: K. P. Yohannan[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Mathrubhumi
Credits:
- Nominated by 70.27.84.88 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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70.27.84.88 (talk) 00:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article needs a lot of work to be ITN eligible. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 00:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article needs bit more sourcing. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Pete McCloskey[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Sunshineisles2 (talk) 20:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support - article looks good and is well-sourced. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 21:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Not sure as an updater if can vote on this nom, but article does look good. Good job to Sunshineisles2 for fixing up this article. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:35, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support article looks ready. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:55, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
May 7[edit]
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RD: Barbara Stauffacher Solomon[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Pioneer of Supergraphics.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article needs more sources and Books section also have some works unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
2024 North Macedonia elections[edit]
Blurb: Gordana Siljanovska-Davkova (pictured) is elected President of North Macedonia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Gordana Siljanovska-Davkova (pictured) is elected the first female President of North Macedonia.
Alternative blurb II: Gordana Siljanovska-Davkova (pictured) is elected President of North Macedonia, while VMRO-DPMNE win most seats in the Assembly.
News source(s): Deutsche Welle
Credits:
- Nominated by Kiril Simeonovski (talk · give credit)
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
The official results from the presidential election will be published later, but the winner is already known due to the large margin, and the current president Stevo Pendarovski has already conceded the defeat. According to the preliminary results from the parliamentary election, the opposition is set to win most seats in the Assembly, but the votes from the largest polls have not yet been counted. As for the quality of articles, the one on the presidential election looks minimally sufficient and needs an update of the final results, whereas the one on the parliamentary election lacks prose and has long way to go before posting.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality - article is quite barebones. The Kip 20:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment – now that parliamentary results are in, I'd recommend that the blurb be changed to: "The Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organisation wins the North Macedonian parliamentary and presidential elections" or something to that effect. The VMRO article is a bit more fleshed out that either of the election ones. PtolemyXV (talk) 00:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Wait the lead article needs more prose. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Steve Albini[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pitchfork
Credits:
- Nominated by BangJan1999 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
BangJan1999 16:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- RIP to a real one. The only issue I see that could prevent posting is that the lead and infobox list May 7 as the day of death, but the prose says May 8. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:48, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support This one hurts. PAPI I MISSED U (talk) 18:59, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article in good shape. Requiescat. yorkshiresky (talk) 20:48, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support article appears good enough to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. RIP Steve. Black Kite (talk) 10:26, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Ignatius Jones[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6][7]
Credits:
- Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Needs some more references. Natg 19 (talk) 16:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ready Article is in a very good shape and is ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support This article is in remarkably good shape for someone from the entertainment industry. HiLo48 (talk) 07:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Ready Ready Ready Ready Ready Ready Ready And has been for over a day. HiLo48 (talk) 00:00, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
RD: Kim Ki-nam[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: "The Goebbels of North Korea". Biography orange-tagged but there are enough sources to rectify this and even expand the article further. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support A true visionary. One of the finest journalists of our time. 2600:100F:B1BB:F7BD:BDB2:D1C7:A73D:5330 (talk) 14:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose orange tagged – Muboshgu (talk) 17:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article is a stub and orange tag and needs more sourcing. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:01, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Update Added a little as well as cn tags but struggling with this one; I don't suppose we have any Korean speakers here who could help? Abcmaxx (talk) 22:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
RD: Oleksandr Pielieshenko[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by BilledMammal (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Yulia Romero (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
BilledMammal (talk) 03:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article is a stub and Major results section is unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- I have added citations to results section. Alexcalamaro (talk) 05:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose it is a stub article. LiamKorda 15:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support, enough quality for a RD posting. Alexcalamaro (talk) 05:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is a stub. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 12:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose needs more prose about his career e.g. about his European medals and Olympic appearances at a minimum. WP:ITNQUALITY not close to being met yet. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
May 6[edit]
May 6, 2024
(Monday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Arts and culture
Business and economy
Disasters and accidents
Law and crime
Politics and elections
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(Posted) RD: Joe Collier[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC Sports
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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American Football coach.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks good enough. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:07, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Hootie Ingram[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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American football player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Oppose Head coaching record section does not have any source.PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)- Can you please take a look added references.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is ready now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support - looks good enough now. Thanks Pharaoh of the Wizards! ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Sourcing meets requirements. Jusdafax (talk) 17:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 03:13, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Kristin Hallenga[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times ,BBC Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Erksahin (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Death reported on Monday 6th.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support article looks fine to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:39, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support - good enough ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support - The article is ready to post to RD. Jusdafax (talk) 17:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 09:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 World Snooker Championship[edit]
Blurb: Kyren Wilson defeats Jak Jones to win the 2024 World Snooker Championship (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Lee Vilenski (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:46, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Almost ready. The tense needs changing from future to past in at least the final section. Schwede66 21:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, yeah, it had literally only just finished, I think I have it all now. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 23:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support, looks like the tense has been changed. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 22:01, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support, just like with the 2024 Derby. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:E1BE:DE23:DB02:9B82 (talk) 22:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support, looks good to go. The Kip 23:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I won't let this get in the way of a well sourced, prose-filled ITNR sport result from being posted, but daaaaamn that is a heck of a lot of prose. I tried reading (not a big pool/snookers player) and my eyes glazed over. That probably can be trimmed down some where the prose and tables work hand in hand to summarize the results. This is only a comment and should not be treated as a oppose !vote. --Masem (t) 01:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- The previous six years of FAs seems to suggest this is how we should lay out these articles. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 06:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- This is a problem with many of the sports articles on Wikipedia. Too many of our editors think of themselves as sports journalists, and the articles bloat with endless trivia and unnecessary play-by-play. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 13:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- If you think prose about an event is unnecessary, we're going to have to agree to disagree. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's a very well written article with appropriate levels of detail on the different rounds and good referencing. The prose summaries provide factual statements and a few quotes from the players, without engaging in subjective judgements or excessive details. It makes sense to me for the paragraphs on the final to provide more granular information than the earlier rounds. There are 4800 words of prose, which is fine for an encyclopaedia article covering the entire tournament (not just the final). The only part that might be a bit overdone is in describing the qualifying rounds, but that's nitpicking. Overall it's a very good article to feature on the Main Page. Modest Genius talk 13:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Again, stressing this is not a pull request: it is just that the early sections have a combination of sea of blue links and stats in rather long paragraphs. This would be a situation that mingling tables between sections of prose both help situate the prose better as well as visually breaking up the prose. I am absolutely pleased to see a sports article with this much prose to discuss what actually happened and backed with sources, but this is not a very reader friendly approach, at least to one looking from outside the snooker world. — Masem (t) 13:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- I would much rather see lots of text about the event that explains it rather than just tables and stats, like a lot of sports articles try to get away with, and this is way more consistent with MOS:PROSE than most other sports articles. Yes there is lots of text, but all of it is relevant text and so is fine. We should be encouraging articles, especially sports articles, nominated here to have prose rather than endless amounts of tables. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Again, stressing this is not a pull request: it is just that the early sections have a combination of sea of blue links and stats in rather long paragraphs. This would be a situation that mingling tables between sections of prose both help situate the prose better as well as visually breaking up the prose. I am absolutely pleased to see a sports article with this much prose to discuss what actually happened and backed with sources, but this is not a very reader friendly approach, at least to one looking from outside the snooker world. — Masem (t) 13:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 01:47, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
RD: Bernard Pivot[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde
Credits:
- Nominated by Jmanlucas (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Spectritus (talk · give credit), 184.144.159.169 (talk · give credit) and Csurla (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
French journalist notably for Le Figaro. Jmanlucas (talk) 18:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Needs more sources. Will work on it tomorrow if it's not well-cited by then. Sincerely, Dilettante 01:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Spelling championship and filmography sections are entirely unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
RD: Brian Wenzel[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 9News
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:D0D0:C67F:3541:9590 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Kelisi (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Australian actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:D0D0:C67F:3541:9590 (talk) 17:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose needs more references. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 23:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose unsourced Filmography and some cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) 2024 U.S. University protests/occupations[edit]
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Blurb: Protests against the Israel-Hamas War shut down several college campuses in the United States. (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by PrecariousWorlds (talk · give credit)
- Oppose The article says that "Protests, including rallies, demonstrations, campaigns, and vigils relating to the Israel–Hamas war have occurred across the U.S. since the conflict's start on October 7, 2023". And the latest flare-up is dated "April 17" which is over two weeks ago. So, this is clearly an ongoing issue rather than something new. And we already have an umbrella ongoing entry. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Opposefor largely the same reasons. This is an ongoing item covered by the ongoing entry. Noah, BSBATalk 11:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Covered by ongoing. Editor 5426387 (talk) 12:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Didn't we just have an ITN candidate like this? Anyways, covered by ongoing, nothing else to say. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1(The Garage) 12:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Mention in Ongoing, we could have something like Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war (protests). The protests are related, but not an event in the war itself, and their intensity means mentioning them under the umbrella of the main ongoing item. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 12:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: Protests are very common and happen across the globe all the time including in relation to Israel/Palestine. What makes this particular sub-set of these notable? The number of people involved are small and universities are not inherently more important than any other institutions. It appears to be almost entirely restricted to one country. This is very much not May 68. —Brigade Piron (talk) 13:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support
+ Ongoingeditors keep citing that it's covered by ongoing, but how? last i checked (a few days ago), these protests didn't even have a mention in the I-H ongoing article. Perhaps these are mentioned (now), but given the scale and persistence of these protests in the news this likely deserves a blurb on its ownOR it's own mention as a standalone ongoing article. (I actually opposed the nom several days ago, citing ongoing, but have since changed my stance on it given the recent developments). Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:16, 6 May 2024 (UTC)- We have to recognize that ongoing that last for months are going to have a main topic article and then numerous sub articles under that. As long as the protests are linked and referenced in that hierarchy, then ongoing covers this. — Masem (t) 14:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- OK, I was able to find it down a couple of nested links. I believe the duration and breadth of coverage of this specific subset of events in the broader ongoing warrants a blurb. I've redacted the ongoing nom, that can always be revisited later if these protests continue throughout the next several weeks. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:07, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- We have to recognize that ongoing that last for months are going to have a main topic article and then numerous sub articles under that. As long as the protests are linked and referenced in that hierarchy, then ongoing covers this. — Masem (t) 14:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- oppose and snow close It was very clear why the previous nomination was not successful. It is absurd to try again. Not notable enough, not ITN-worthy and covered by ongoing. Nothing changed. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Stop abusing SNOW. There are support votes and other proposals to include it in ongoing. Discussion is still going on, closing it prematurely is silly. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- No one here is abusing SNOW. It is entirely rational in this nomination to ask for it. And there is only 1 support vote over 8 clear opplses...this means something. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- We are discussing whether or not to put it on ongoing as well. It is far too soon to close. There is literally no reason to rush through this nom, let people have a discussion. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- There was already a debate a few days ago, things were explained and nothing has changed. The majority position of the editors was clear. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, even if I personally wouldn't mind adding it to Ongoing (although I don't feel too strongly about it either way), it's pretty clear that the majority here is still against it, and I wouldn't oppose a SNOW close. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- SNOW is for overly bureaucratic and unproductive processes that slow down Wikipedia, I don't see how this discussion being up is really that big of a deal. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 21:30, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, even if I personally wouldn't mind adding it to Ongoing (although I don't feel too strongly about it either way), it's pretty clear that the majority here is still against it, and I wouldn't oppose a SNOW close. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- There was already a debate a few days ago, things were explained and nothing has changed. The majority position of the editors was clear. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- We are discussing whether or not to put it on ongoing as well. It is far too soon to close. There is literally no reason to rush through this nom, let people have a discussion. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- No one here is abusing SNOW. It is entirely rational in this nomination to ask for it. And there is only 1 support vote over 8 clear opplses...this means something. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Stop abusing SNOW. There are support votes and other proposals to include it in ongoing. Discussion is still going on, closing it prematurely is silly. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose and snow close These were already nominated and rejected just over a week ago, and they’re on the downswing anyways. The Kip 14:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - Still pretty minor compared to the actual thing they're protesting about. (But yes, please stop calling for SNOW.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I thought we already had something like this that didn't get posted? Regardless, its covered by ongoing Hungry403 (talk) 01:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
2024 Panamanian general election[edit]
Blurb: José Raúl Mulino (pictured) is elected President of Panama. (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo, as, Telemetro
Credits:
- Nominated by Yoblyblob (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Not mathematically possible for the opponent to win at this stage. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 02:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality as article still feels bare-bones - there's no prose on the results/aftermath. The Kip 04:11, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Not yet, article is still missing a lot, and even the list of candidates looks like it hasn't been updated. The "Conduct" section is literally a single sentence. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 23:40, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Wait article needs expansion. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Closest finish in NASCAR History[edit]
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Blurb: Kyle Larson wins over Chris Buescher in the closest NASCAR Finish ever. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Kyle Larson wins the closest NASCAR finish ever.
News source(s): AP, ESPN, USA Today, NASCAR.com, Washington Post,
Credits:
- Nominated by Meganinja202 (talk · give credit)
- Oppose This is not ITNR. That is for the cumulative winner of the whole of the NASCAR cup, not for any individual race. And while non-ITNR items can be posted, a trivial win (the closest-ever match) is simply not good ITN material, and may be better suited for DYK if the article qualifies there. --Masem (t) 04:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- The last closest finsh was 21 years ago, its a event that pratically happens once a decade or two, if ever may happen again Meganinja202 (talk) 04:15, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Trivial, per above. The Kip 04:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose and move for SNOW parochial, sports, trivia This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- There had been a few sports stuff added, once was litterally 2 days ago, i dont think that is a reason to opposite
- Also its a theme that certainly will bust the NASCAR bubble in the week, thus i think that is notable enough to be in the News, as i said, is something that happens rearly, once a blue moon., so i dont think is parochial ethier Meganinja202 (talk) 05:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- I think most people using the word "parochial" here would be addressing the fact that's it's an event that's purely internal to the USA. I know that's not enough on it's own to prevent posting, but do we even know what the closest result ever in Formula One racing was? HiLo48 (talk) 05:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- The 1971 Italian Grand Prix was the the closest in F1 history was 0.01 seconds. The winning margin in the race in question in this nomination, the 2024 AdventHealth 400, was 0.001 seconds. Howard the Duck (talk) 07:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- That was the 1971 Italian Grand Prix and there's an article for that whereas this NASCAR event doesn't seem to have a specific article. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- The NASCAR race in question is 2024 AdventHealth 400. Howard the Duck (talk) 07:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- So, that ought to be the target article, right? Andrew🐉(talk) 08:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's right. Howard the Duck (talk) 08:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- So, that ought to be the target article, right? Andrew🐉(talk) 08:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- The NASCAR race in question is 2024 AdventHealth 400. Howard the Duck (talk) 07:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- I think most people using the word "parochial" here would be addressing the fact that's it's an event that's purely internal to the USA. I know that's not enough on it's own to prevent posting, but do we even know what the closest result ever in Formula One racing was? HiLo48 (talk) 05:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as trivial. In particular, size of victory margin is not something the competitors are being evaluated on. While it's exciting for the observers, it doesn't make a difference to the result. (It is parochial, but I'm disinclined to oppose sports results just because the sport in question is overwhelmingly popular in only one or two countries. What goes for sumo also goes for NASCAR.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:51, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
May 5[edit]
May 5, 2024
(Sunday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Arts and culture
Disasters and accidents
Politics and elections
Sports
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RD: César Luis Menotti[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Unknown Temptation (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
World Cup winning Football coach.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:19, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Wait The article is in really bad shape (there's a cn and most paragraphs are a single sentence or line), but I'll try to fix it a bit to make presentable Cambalachero (talk) 02:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)Oppose: I will not get into a content dispute over an article I hardly care about. The article takes a cherry-picked phrase Menotti said once and uses it to paint him as a socialist, which goes against WP:BALANCE. Truth is, Menotti never made a big deal of his political ideas or engaged in political disputes (compare with Diego Maradona#Political views). Also, the lead image is not free in the United States (it was not free in Argentina at the URAA date) and should be deleted from Commons. Cambalachero (talk) 12:15, 6 May 2024 (UTC)- This is probably a discussion for another time and place but I thought Commons was for files that are free, no ifs, no buts. It's very odd that so many Gráfico files are on Commons if they are not entirely free. I know that Italy also has shorter copyright dates and on Italian Wikipedia, there are many files used that are PD in Italy but not in the USA, ergo they are not hosted on Commons. Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Long story short: the URAA was challenged as violating the constitution of the US, the Wikimedia Foundation understood that it was not in force, so photos under licenses such as PD-AR-Photo were uploaded in droves. The Supreme Court ratified the URAA in 2012, so a huge number of photos (such as all PD-AR-Photo newer than 1970) are no longer acceptable. That's a huge backlog to process, especially because of Commons' admins wanting to do it case by case instead of en masse. Cambalachero (talk) 16:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- This is probably a discussion for another time and place but I thought Commons was for files that are free, no ifs, no buts. It's very odd that so many Gráfico files are on Commons if they are not entirely free. I know that Italy also has shorter copyright dates and on Italian Wikipedia, there are many files used that are PD in Italy but not in the USA, ergo they are not hosted on Commons. Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Not to beep my own horn but I've made some quite substantial improvements to the page. There may be opinions that there is too much attention given to his political views, but it is true that he held left-wing views, no matter how much he said or didn't say about them. See the academic article "The social, political, and economic causes of violence" by Eugenio Paradiso: "Ironically, Menotti was a communist." That article is from 2009, two years before the book that is cited on Wikipedia. Menotti was a known leftist who had a highly public role that was exploited by a right-wing dictatorship, that is undoubtedly notable. Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support: the article might use some minor tweaks with citations and syntax, but looks alright overall! Oltrepier (talk) 19:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- The article is still using photos with problematic copyright status. In fact, even more of those than when I made the comment. Cambalachero (talk) 13:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: All Menotti-related photos with unsuitable licenses have been nominated for deletion at Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Menotti. Cambalachero (talk) 15:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Obi Ezeh[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sports Illustrated
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Kelisi (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American Football player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support - This is a GA so should be posted pretty quickly ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:39, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Following Darius Morris (also nominated here), this makes two. Also disheartening.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:07, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Is there a REF for his date and place of birth, please? Footnotes should be in the main prose. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 01:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Added a Ref for his date of birth can you please take a look.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:02, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Frank Shrontz[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Seattle Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Duke of New Gwynedd (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Former corporate executive and government official. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 15:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support - article is light but looks good enough ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 09:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Bernard Hill[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
- Created by 24.80.211.63 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TuringBox (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: British actor. Filmography unsourced but I'll see if I can find some references. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 14:01, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support I found a CV on his talent agency's website (they are mentioned in news reports as announcing his death) and used it to fill in most of the missing references. Johndavies837 (talk) 20:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks well sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:40, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Filmography section could use a couple more sources, but I don't think its enough to stop this from being posted ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:36, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment It'd be preferable to use independent sources for his filmography, instead of heavily citing his CV from his talent agency.—Bagumba (talk) 17:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- You think they are incorrect? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:REPUTABLE is a basic guideline:
—Bagumba (talk) 00:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)Articles should be based on reliable, independent, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.
- That's referring to articles in a general sense, and if followed literally would invalidate WP:RSPRIMARY, WP:SELFSOURCE, etc. In this specific context, I don't think it's a problem to use a primary source even if secondary sources are always preferred. Ed [talk] [OMT] 04:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's not a black or white issue. There is a place for non-indy sources, but I'll stand by that it's not preferable when indys exist. It was intentionally marked a "comment", and while this might be "good enough" for ITN purposes, I hope its not disputed that PR firms sometimes exaggerate, whether or not it was an issue here. Anyways, it is posted. Best. —Bagumba (talk) 05:10, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's referring to articles in a general sense, and if followed literally would invalidate WP:RSPRIMARY, WP:SELFSOURCE, etc. In this specific context, I don't think it's a problem to use a primary source even if secondary sources are always preferred. Ed [talk] [OMT] 04:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:REPUTABLE is a basic guideline:
- You think they are incorrect? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 18:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- ‘Farewell, Master Holbytla!’ [Théoden] said. ‘My body is broken. I go to my fathers. And even in their mighty company I shall not now be ashamed. I felled the black serpent. A grim morn, and a glad day, and a golden sunset!’ Merry could not speak, but wept anew. [Memory eternal.] -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- "Eh Ad, gizza job"... Martinevans123 (talk) 09:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Ad Orientem: God dammit, I was gonna say that... 😏 Kurtis (talk) 04:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Brazil floods[edit]
Blurb: More than 83 people have been killed, 291 injured and 111 missing due to Floods in the Brazilian state of Rio Grande do Sul. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Flooding in Rio Grande do Sul in Brazil kills dozens of people and displaces hundreds of thousands from their homes
News source(s): BBC, Reuters, Al Jazeera, AP, Guardian, DW, VOA, CNN, NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
- Created by Moondragon21 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Oltrepier (talk · give credit), Hilst (talk · give credit) and Quake1234 (talk · give credit)
Ainty Painty (talk) 02:06, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Needs expansion, too short for right now. Masem (t) 02:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Wait article needs a expansion, when ready I'll will Support it.PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)- Wait. Page needs expansion and is too short for now, once it's done I'll support it. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 12:14, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Wait article needs expansion. LiamKorda 15:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support if the article can be expanded. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:340C:D133:72B6:623 (talk) 16:43, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Absolutely support it, however needs expanding. Glucoboy011 (talk) 16:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Article is probably big enough to be on the front page now. Glucoboy011 (talk) 19:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support as it's definitely notable enough: plus, I've just finished expanding the article by adding some more bits of information. Oltrepier (talk) 17:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support ArionStar (talk) 13:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment If this blurb eventually does get published, we should remember to update the number of casualties from time to time since, unfortunately, it's still on the rise. Oltrepier (talk) 08:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Major floods that have caused substantial loss of life, damage and evacuations. The article is in good shape. The floods began over a week ago but are ongoing and have been getting more media coverage; I don't think there's a strong relation to 5 May per se but I'm also in favour of a blurb (not the ongoing section). Altblurb added, which avoids the specific numbers (changing on a daily basis). Note the article has moved to 2024 Rio Grande do Sul floods. Modest Genius talk 12:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is ready now to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:49, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support article seems fine. Yakikaki (talk) 16:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 17:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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(Posted) 2024 Kentucky Derby[edit]
Blurb: Mystik Dan wins the 2024 Kentucky Derby, defeating two others in a photo finish. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Mystik Dan wins the 2024 Kentucky Derby.
Alternative blurb II: Mystik Dan wins the 2024 Kentucky Derby in a photo finish.
News source(s): AP, ESPN, USA Today
Credits:
- Nominated by JRHorse (talk · give credit)
- Created by Kentuckian (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Brudder Andrusha (talk · give credit), Waluigithewalrus (talk · give credit), Blaylockjam10 (talk · give credit) and StefenTower (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominating per WP:ITN/R. JRHorse (talk) 03:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support appears ready to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:01, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support reading over, it looks like it has prose all where it needs it, and it's all properly cited. Of course, I hope editors that see new pieces to add will keep it up-to-date with the aftermath. Nottheking (talk) 04:05, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support original blurb It looks like it's good enough to post. Since this was the 1st 3-horse photo finish since 1947, the original blurb seems best. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 11:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Prefer Either Alt I get that the finish involved two others, but by virtue of it, he defeated 19 slower horses. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks good enough to me. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 12:13, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. LiamKorda 15:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:340C:D133:72B6:623 (talk) 16:47, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above LuxembourgBoy42 (talk) 20:56, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Frank Stella[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Carlstak (talk · give credit) and Neveselbert (mobile) (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Oppose there are several Cn tags.PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)- No {cn} tags left. Is the intro still too short? Time for a re-review, please? --PFHLai (talk) 05:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is ready to posted, short intro shouldn't hold this article back. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 16:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Darius Morris[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Laker NationBleacher ReportTMZ SportsNew York PostCBS SportsESPN
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
NBA Player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:59, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support it is a GA. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support: As it has WP:GA status. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 12:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The career statistics table isn't sourced; I presume this is easily remedied. Black Kite (talk) 20:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Can you please take a look added Ref.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support To my recollection, this is the first biography that I have created and taken to WP:GA and seen listed here. I'm very saddened.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:50, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
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